02/08/2012 Newsnight

He said he was willing to do whatever it takes to save the euro,

but not just yet. The President of the European Central Bank's words

can make markets leap and crash. While Mr Draghi was speaking, the

Spanish stock market lost 5% of its value, and the interest rates that

Spain and Italy have to pay on debts spiked up.

Another great day for British cycling, Chris Hoy gets his fifth

gold medal and sets a new world record. Kofi Annan quits his role

as Syria mediator, frustrated by his lack of progress. At a time

when we need, when the Syrian people desperately need action,

there continues to be finger pointing and name calling in the

Security Council. Thousands are fleeing Syria, but neighbouring

countries can no longer cope. Doucet does reports from -- Lyse

Doucet reports from a struggling border. Black and ethnic minority

groups could hold the keys to Downing Street. I have been told to

vote Labour all my life, to have another man from another party in

my room is like the police force. If it wasn't so serious it would be

quite funny, Mario Draghi, head of the European Central Bank, spoke

today of his plans to save Spain and Italy. With comedy timing,

their Stock Exchanges simultaneously took a dive as he

talked, the Spanish market losing 5% of its value during his press

conference. A week after promising to do "whatever it takes", the ECB

chief seems to have quietly added the world, "not just yet", has he

set out a Road Map for the out As the crisis swirls, Mario Draghi

has become, inadvertantly, the most powerful man in the world. He has

the power to save the euro, or let it sink. And last week he said,

watch this, I'm about to do something really big. Today, he

started with big talk. Related to fears of the stability of the euro

are unacceptable, and need to be addressed in a fundamental manner.

The euro is irreversible. But, then, Mario Draghi boldy went where, well,

every other European policy maker has already gone, round in circles.

The governing council may consider undertaking further, non-standard,

monetary policy measures, according to what is required to repair

monetary policy transmission. Over the coming weeks, we will design

the appropriate modalities for such policy measures. Brief translation,

nothing happening. Mario Draghi couldn't have been clearer, the ECB,

he said, will save the euro, by going to the markets and buying up

the bonds of Italy and Spain. But, only when those two countries

accept a massive bail out, and the austerity that goes with it. The

markets are wrong, he said, to doubt the survival of the euro, and

this is what the markets thought of that.

The euro plunged, the Italian stock market also plunged, and Spain's

cost of borrowing spiked. I think the ECB is now essentially saying

wait five weeks until the next ECB meeting, and we will have developed

plans further by then. I'm not sure if the markets will wait five weeks,

when they are in a pattern of crises in the eurozone kicking off

in the August time. I can easily see Spanish yields under pressure

for the next few week, Italian yields under pressure. Meanwhile

the Italian and Spanish economies are starting to contract, they are

in recession. The longer the ECB takes to deal with this, the longer

the pain goes on in southern Europe. Not just southern Europe. Draghi

confirmed what the market surveys have already signalled, the entire

eurozone economy is in trouble. This graph, just one of many

signals a slowdown in the autumn, and beneath the surface, the very

fabric of the eurozone is under strain. Just 20% of loans in Europe

use cross-border collateral now, compared with 50% years -- six

years ago. Across the eurozone, is a huge

level of Government indebtedness, combined with extremely slow growth.

Whilst r whilst the countries within the periphery remain within

the euro, there is no prospect of these countries growing their way

out of the debt problem. There are huge fiscal head winds to come,

with ageing populations and so on. I think the markets are correctly

pricing the credit risk in the periphery of the eurozone, I think

they are underestimating risk in other countries. All eyes now are

on Spain, already simmering with protests and political rouse. It is

just pledging to make 65 billion euros worth of tax rises and cuts.

Draghi effectively told them to take a much bigger bail out for the

entire economy. The implication of that, more cuts, and more protests.

So the prime ministers of Italy and Spain met today and plerpblged,

well, about the same -- pledged the same as Mr Draghi, to think about

stuff. There is no sign they are about to seek a bail out. The

European Central Bank has always been the key to saving the euro, it

can unleash bail outs en massive scale, outstripping what the

Governments and the IMF can do, because it can print money and just

lend it. The problem has always been Germany, and today it was

still gerl. -- Germany. This man is Germany's representative at the ECB.

He was the only one, today, not to vote for action. There wasn't

really much action. The stakes are huge, we have already seen bail

outs in Greece, we have seen bail outs in Portugal, in Ireland, but

all of those countries are small fry compared to Spain or Italy.

These are two huge economies, they have banking sectors, particularly

in Spain, which are in trouble. We have rising unemployment and the

potential for a really nasty crash in the eurozone, far worse than

anything we have seen so far. next? It is a giant game of chicken,

if Draghi can get the measures promised and force a massive bail

out and keep Greece from going bust, the euro is saved, if not, it is

not. Paul's here for bait more on that

giant game of chicken. This time last week, Paul, a lot of people

getting very excited by the words "we will do whatever it takes". He

meant without any action? He said, "we will do whatever it takes,

believe me, it will be enough". What he should have probably said

was, "hang on lads, I've got a great idea", that famous line from

the Italian Job. It is a great idea what he has done today is to spell

it out. Since October, the European Union and the euro zone have been

trapped between almost two types of solution. One solution is, you

unleash about 500 billion worth of bail out from the IMF and European

states, and you save Europe that way. The other way, always

preferred, the ECB has money on tap, it can just do it. Its future money,

it is not taken from treasures now. I think what drag -- treasuries now.

Draghi pulled the debate firmly back to how the ECB could be the

ultimate solution. And it is Italy and Spain take a bail out, take a

lot more austerity, then they get money from the bail out fund, and

then the taps are turned on T would work, if, of course, the markets

don't crash the entire thing between now and when they get round

to designing it. Is the sequencing enough to take us through the

summer. Can it stave off disaster until October? The eurocrisis does

have a remarkable ability to go quiet at the exact moment of the

European Mediterranean yachting season. It did it last year, and it

probably will do again. We were only talking, this is a big game of

chicken between states and markets. If the states, I would put my money

on the IMF, the EU, the eurozone, actually doing this, and the

markets losing money, who are betting on a clop. If it were only

the case of the two -- collapse. If it were the case of only two in the

game. There is a third set of people in the game, the European

people. Every week that goes by, it is dawning on the Spanish and

Italian people, that they will get the Greek treatment. Those of us

who know the politics and social demo graphy of those countries, are

pretty unconvinced nel go through what Greece did -- they will go

through what Greece did, without some earlier political battles.

They got Greece wrong? They already know they got Greece wrong, they

are not doing it to Spain, they are letting Spain set the terms of the

bail out. Greece is weeks away from the final renegotiation before they

give up the ghost on that country. Between 3.30 and around 3.37

Britain suddenly went bonkers. Team GB claimed a gold in canoeing, a

silver in canoeing, a gold in shooting and silver in Judo. It was

later matched with the cyclist Chris Hoy breaking a world record

and claiming his memorable fifth gold medal. The disappointment lay

with the women's cycling duo, with Victoria Pendleton, they were

denied a medal with a takeover They say the Olympics shouldn't be

about medals. That's df infinitely true when you start the day a --

that's definitely true when you Stuart the day in 11th in the medal

table. Suddenly we started to move up. Suddenly a close silver in the

canoeing had the whole Newsnight office screaming.

There was gold and silver in the canoe slam lem. -- slalom. Then our

first Judo medal in 12 years. All right, so we might not be talking

about the 100m final here. But a gold is a gold. Just ask Pete

Wilson in the double trap shooting. You are an Olympic gold medallist?

I am, that is weird to say. That I'm an Olympic gold medallist. Dad!

It didn't all go our way, Britain's women broke the world record but

were punished for an early changover, and lost out on the

chance of a medal. It is one of those things, really. Now and again

rubbish things happen, and this is one of those days.

Even more pressure, then, on Sir Chris Hoy and his team-mates. But

they delivered. A world record and a gold to take Britain up to fifth

in the medal table. With me now the cycling legend and

1992 Olympic gold medallists Chris Boardman. Talk us through it, why

are we so good at cycling, it started with your era, 1992? It did,

the real changing bouyant was lottery funding, lot hery funding

and talent. There was a gold medal in 2000, the lottery funding came

on stream. What we were doing back in the 1990s was able to expand.

What happens is you have one individual who gets a gold medal,

the others who train with them say that is a bridgeable gap, and that

spreads out and a whole system of built from there. It has slowly

spread out across discipline. important is the money in terms of,

it came to cycling, it could have gone somewhere else? It has made a

big difference. Cycling is a venue sport, everything is built around

the velodrome in Manchester. Road cycling is well supported, there is

millions in that. Track cycling isn't, the finances made a huge

difference. Lizzie Armistead, when she claimed that brilliant silver

medal, made the point quickly that women had felt left out or second

rate in a lot of sports. Is that something you recognise? There is a

ways to go at the moment, certainly in the Olympic sport, there was a

disparity in the amount of the events of the Olympic events. They

have equal events now. On the professional side it is still very

different, there is still differences in the Olympic events

in distance, the women might ride a 500m timetable, the men a kilometer,

why the difference? There is still a way to go. If you look at the duo

today, the British response, rubbish days happen. That is an

absolutely guting moment for the duo there. But something, I guess,

every athlete comes very close to? When you are pushing it to the

limit, sometimes you cross that particular threshold, that happened

today. They just mistimed the takeover? It is a bit like changing

over a baton, you changover outside the zone that is the end. To push

the limits you have to be right on the edge, pushing it to the edge of

the zone. That is what happened today. They got the call wrong. It

is so tragic, particularly for Jessica Varnish, this was her

Olympic shot at a medal, four years of work she had put into it for one

lap of the track. That was it. So close, world record time, they were

really on track for it. That is the way it works. Chris, a lot of the

Olympic sports are things that we admire, we look at, but we know we

will not attempt. You will not pick up a javelin or go canoeing every

weekend, cycling is something very close to the British character. Do

you think that, you know, we are embracing that because we see it in

ourselves. Is that because everyone's on the road now? It is a

wonderfully accessible tool for transport. It is something you can

do from 8-089, and either side of that. Unlike running you can free-

wheel and shoos your speed. It is massively accessible, I hope it is

a massive advert for the sport, and it will ripple out and we will see

it as a tool for transport. The implications of success here could

be huge. In overturning the way our cities are run. Bradley Wiggins

made the point, after the tragic death of the cyclist in London,

that he felt helmets, not speaking directly about the young man who

died, that helmets should be enforcible by law. I'm not sure

about that, statistics don't necessarily support it either. It

is a tool for transport, and helmets are a tool that are used

when required. I think really the question is why do we need helmets

now and we didn't hen years ago. I -- ten years ago. They can distract

from the real argument, which is why don't we make an environment

that lets this activities take place. It so was so many problems

with pollution, health and congestion, why don't we invest in

it. What is that, you have a Mayor of London a keen cyclist, throwing

money at it with the Boris bikes? There is a finite amount of road

space, we are at a juncture now where you have to make a choice,

that is politically difficult, somebody has to pavement at the

moment road design is very much, for a cyclist, is get the cyclist

out of the way of the car safely, rather than let's move the car out

of the way of the cyclist. That is a big call for a politician to make.

You don't think anyone will do that? I think things like we are

seeing right now in the Olympics is the focus on this sport, along with

the upswell, the amount of people cycling in London, in what is, let

as say a challenging environment, now is a good time to make a call

like that. Thank you. With ill- concealed frustration, Kofi Annan

announced he would quit his post as mediator to Syria at the end of the

month. Speaking of the name-calling and finger-pointing within the

United Nations Security Council. The former head of the UN was

scathing in his criticism of world powers to stop the escalating

violence. As fight anything Syria intensifies, thousands are fleeing

to neighbouring countries, Jordan has seen nearly 40,000 refugees

cross its border and decided this to take action.

Lyse Doucet is there for us now. The Kofi Annan peace process has

added new pessimism right across the region, ever since he took on

what he called a "difficult" assignment. Many across the region

said it simply wouldn't work. There is a truism across the region as

well, no matter how much trouble his plan was in, there was no Plan

B, there was simply no other plan. Now that there is no Kofi Annan as

mediator, it means, not only is his plan in trouble, but Syria is in

greater trouble, and all that is left is the violence. The violence

is growing, which means not only is there a crisis inside Syria, there

is a growing crisis on all of its borders, underlining, yet again,

that this conflict has the capacity to reek havoc ayes cross the region.

The most runnable -- across the nation. The most vulnerable is the

tiny poor kingdom of Jordan. It has always been battered by neighbours'

crises, and always taken in waves of refugees. In recent weeks, as

the number of Syrians crossing into Jordan reached 2,000, the

Government decided it had to take action.

After months of living in war, moments of peace and quiet in this

transit camp in Jordan. But kink Abdullah Park isn't the kind of

place where children normal low play. The Syrians here are still

scared, most don't want their faces shown. Ahmed was studying English

literature until the fighting was too much toe bear. Even the

fighting on the way out was dangerous. It was so dangerous, it

was seven miles walking. We can't make any sound on the road. Because

the regime army, if they discovered that we are snaking to Jordan, he

will kill us. Do you feel safe in Jordan? Safe,

yes, but comfort, no. There is a different struggle now.

Hand-outs are stressful. Even if everyone is getting enough water

and food, but this camp was set up for 800 people, 8,000 have come

here. Forcing Jordan to re-think its response. Syrians had been

allowed to leave these temporary centres to stay with relatives or

friend. Not any more. Security forces guard all the exits. Jordan

is also shutting other transit camps. Months ago, when dozens

crossed the border daily, this facility could handle the influx.

It looks like the Syrians who lived here had to leave in a hurry. They

probably did. The authorities in Jordan are struggling to keep pace

with the intensity of the Syrian crisis. These were meant to be

temporary transit camp, but they became so overcrowded, the

Jordanians have had to find other places for the Syrians to stay.

This is where they are being moved. A tented city in the desert, about

15 miles from the Syrian border. It is big enough, eventually, to give

refuge, to 100,000 Syrians. The UN raced to put up tents in this first

official camp, mark Agnew phase, and sending a message, -- marking a

new phase, and sending a message. There is a strain on the economy,

it is taking its toll on our education, health, energy and water.

We have had to play the balance, first to shoulder our response

toblgts Syrian brothers, and on -- to our Syrian brothers, and on the

other hand our people. Most of the strain is crossings across from

Syria, on a border like this, exports have all but stop. It is

only brave traders bringing in produce. This small kingdom has

always been battered by its neighbours' crises, Jordan is under

unprecedented pressure, with the king under pressure for reform.

Of this the Deputy Prime Minister under the Iraq crisis a decade ago.

There are two kind of fears, one is a refugee problem that might spill

over to Jordan. We have gone through this before in the first

and second gulf crises. More importantly, also, are the

political reprecussions of the fall of the Syrian regime. Maybe an

emboldenment of the opposition, particularly the Brotherhood, and a

concern in Jordan this might spill over domestically, as far as the

political reform process is concerned. In a region riven with

conflict, threats cross frontiers. Jordan is being extra vigilent, it

has already detained one Syrian group bringing in weapons.

We used to be able to film much closer to the Syrian-Jordanian

border. Now the military is so concerned about the possibility of

violence spilling across this border, they have pushed us back.

Even from here you can see Syria and the military bases just on the

other side. Both sides are opening fire almost every day.

This six-year-old of the first Syrian child to die in the exodus.

Killed by Syrian troops as his family fled. Jordanian soldiers

responded with covering fire. I went to visit his mother, in the

border down of Ramfah. She and her two boys are living with another

Syrian family. They are all too scared to show their faces.

TRANSLATION: There were 31 of us, and we reach the area between the

Jordanian and Syrian borders, when we got there, suddenly we were

fired on, Bilal and I were at the back of the group, suddenly I saw

him on the ground. He fell down after the first shot. The drawings

of children, living in this house, tell terrible stories of violence

they left behind. But Basma, whose family fled months ago, tells me

she won't go and live in the tented city.

TRANSLATION: I will never live there, I will go back to die under

gunfire, rather than living in a tent. It is too dusty there, we

will be breathing dust, not air, this is no life, no life at all.

Even the UN admits no-one would choose to live here. Many refugees

we met in transit centres are refusing to move in. Syrians are

still welcome, but this country realises their visitors could be

here for years. So Jordan now says, Jordan must

come first. Jordan's response there clearly

accepting that this is going to be a long-term problem, and Kofi

Annan's move today suggesting he doesn't have a solution? Indeed.

And if Kofi Annan doesn't have a solution, who does? In his

statement to the Security Council he talked about an intransigent

Syrian Government, a violent opposition increasing, and a

Security Council that was in disarray. Now he has a checkered

and controversial history as a senior UN official, but Kofi Annan

has been known as a very patient, soft-spoken mediator. A man who

could go to every capital, from Washington to Tehran, from Beijing

to Moscow, the doors were open to him. He also brought together a

very good team of people inside and outside the UN system, that he had

had worked for. I spent time with them on the ground in Damascus. Not

only were they trying to work at the top, to achieve what did seem

impossible, to bring the opposition and the Government, the divided

opposition and the Government to the same table. But also they were

working town-by-town, city-by-city, forensically, to try to achieve

local ceasefires, to see if they could bring peace from the bottom

up. When General Mood who left at the head of these observers

recently, who said it was only a matter of time before the Assad

regime would fall. You knew something was about to change with

the Annan team. As he said, to pursue his sacred duty to pursue

peace, it is another to be a midwife to a violent end of a

conflict. Baroness Amos, the UN's spokes

wofpl on humanitarian affairs -- spokeswoman on humanitarian affairs,

told me she wasn't surprised by Kofi Annan's departure, asked was

it an admission that he couldn't get the job done? I'm sure he was

hugely frustrated. Mediation is a very difficult thing to do. We have

seen an international community not united on Syria. This makes it

extraordinarily difficult to get to a point where the kinds of

political things that we need to see, to make sure we have a

ceasefire, and then to have some kind of process, that ends with the

will of the Syrian people, this is a process that is lengthy and you

need a united international community to make it happen. He has

talked about the finger-pointing and the name-calling and the fact

he didn't receive the support the cause deserved, and the fact that

the international community of not united. I mean, that sounds like

defeat? I don't think it is defeat, I think it is an admission that he

has got as far as he can. He was very clear today, that perhaps,

having someone else, might help the process. Sometimes that happens. He

talked about the possibility of someone else being able to unite

those in the region, and unite the broader international community.

Who would that be in your mind? That's not for me to say, as I said,

the Secretary of State general of the United Nations, with the

secretary-general of league of Arab states, will come up with names and

talk to people and come up with the right person to take this on.

you empathise with the he expression today, you visited Syria,

you were not made welcome, where does that leave your next trip?

Actually, I'm talking to -- I'm talking to the Syrian authorities

now about making another trip as soon as possible. My concerns have

always been about the people caught up in this violence. You have

called, very clearly, for a humanitarian corridor, you won't

get that without a resolution from the Security Council? I haven't, in

fact, called for a humanitarian corridor, I have expressed my

concerns that those who are calling for a humanitarian corridor, or a

safe zone, do not appreciate that if you are going to call for that,

you have to be able to make them secure. I think the most important

thing now, given that we have not got a ceasefire, is that we need

some kind of humanitarian pause, for those who are affect the by

this violence, who are not able to get out, who are caught up, perhaps

can't get access to medical supplies, can't get access to food.

We need a humanitarian pause. does that mean? It means a top in

the fighting. Both side agree to stop the fighting for a period of

time, so that, for example, the ICRC, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent

and others can go on. We have seen those calls for ceasefire for the

last two months, call it a pause or a ceasefire, it clearly doesn't

work, we are seeing a country ravaged by civil war now?

doesn't mean that you cannot continue to try to hold all sides

to account. You have Government, you have an opposition, who have to

appreciate and understand that the action that they are taking is

having a serious impact on ordinary men, women and children. The bottom

line is, without the Security Council, what you are saying now is

we can't do it with the Security Council, we have to find ways

without them? First of all, a ceasefire was called for in the

six-point plan, Kofi Annan's six- point plan, it has not happened. In

the absence of a permanent ceasefire, we have to have some

kind of humanitarian pause, because of what is happening to ordinary

people on the ground. And this is now a long-term problem that needs

a long-term solution. How long do you think this will go on for?

has been going on for more than a year. We know that these kinds of

situations, where you have civil conflict, where you have this kind

of internal war, can go on for a very, very long time. What would be

your estimate? I don't have an estimate. The dialogue and

discussion has to continue. We have to continue to try to get a

diplomatic solution. The United Nations was created because we

wanted to put a stop to violence and conflict. We have to continue

to press the diplomatic channels to try to make them work. Thank you

very much. What would it take for the Tories

to win a majority at the next election. Could it be the votes of

black and ethnic minority voters. At the 2010 general election, only

16% voted for the Conservatives, more than two thirds voted Labour.

Conservative Party reverge has suggested these -- research has

suggested these voters are well represented in target seats, but

can they be wonover? We have been trying to find out.

This is Sam, he's an MP, a Conservative MP. This is James,

he's a champion, and he's not a Tory.

Sam thinks James could be a Tory, he just don't know it yet. James

disagrees. This is Hackney, and you are trying

to change me. We brought the Prime Minister's

adviser on ethnic minorities to a boxing ring, no ordinary boxing

ring, it is the one Mr and Mrs Cameron visited during the election,

and pledged fundraising help. They haven't visited since. It might be

a problem. He tricked me. Come on. I'm not

having any of you guys tricking me again. Sam Gyimah turned up here,

and before Newsnight knew it, he was in borrowed kit, it was meant

to be a fact-finding mission, not a punch-up, but Gyimahh was quickly

presented with the problem, for many their vote is an historical

allegiance. Coming to London, the first thing my mum said, is vote

Labour. Now I have a Conservative in front of me. How can we get you

to vote Conservative? In 2010 the Prime Minister and his

wife visited this boxing club. But in that election the Tories didn't

win this seat, in fact, the Labour candidate got four-times the number

of votes. The worry for the Conservatives is that is replicated

in seats across inner cities in the UK. This is a two-fold problem, it

is a problem if the conditions want to win in the general election, it

is also another problem f they want to represent the UK, they need to

learn to win in places like this. So concerned were they, the

Conservative's former Deputy Chairman, Lord Ashcroft, conducted

a 12,000-strong poll. He created broad catagories from the census

We have got to pay down the country's debts and reduce the

deficit. What we are looking to do is find ways of supporting

organisations like this. But it may not come from the Government. As it

has in the past. As I said to you...Gyimah Believes that on

thrift, education standards, family values, a number of things, his

party is the natural party for minorities. The Conservatives just

need to sell their wares better. You said earlier, my mum said

always vote Labour? What I'm saying, his argument is good, his argument

is positive. I like his argument. You know. You are just saying that

because he's here in front of me? like his argument, it is up to him.

He is the one who brings the arguments. Gyimah is swapping notes

with Simon, a British Indian who stood for the Conservatives in this

seat the last election. I used to call it my tale of two cities, the

southern part of the seats is filled with wine bar, it is close

to the city, the northern part of the city is filled with a terrible

degree of deprivation. It will almost certainly become a

Conservative seat within 25-30 years, possibly sooner. I think the

real thing here is connecting with our value. And there are two aspect

of that, Conservatives need to make it very clear to people in places

like this, what our values are. We also need to get people to

recognise that the Conservative Party is not the same old

Conservative Party, in other words, modern Britain has got to identify

what the Conservative Party is, and that had ath has changed.

Up to Birmingham, and a church service to celebrate 50 years of

the Jamaican diaspora. Gyimah meets British Joe Aldery, someone who

devotes himself to further political engagment. Historically

it has been that the British Conservative Party is some what

hostile towards black people. That comes through in their immigration

policies, it comes through in statements made famous by the like

of Enoch Powell. It comes through ...That Is a long time ago? That is

the history. That is where it is coming from, people have long

memories. A lot of our values are similar. I have been looking at

some of the stuff you have been saying around family, parenting,

the sense that you can't really outsource parent to go the state.

Training a child starts at home, if we want to deal with some of the

challenges we have, anti-social behaviour, young people, you know,

and moulding them to be the adults we want them to be, all that starts

in the home. I would have thought that's pretty Conservative in

outlook. You wouldn't necessarily align those values with the modern,

present-day Conservative Party, any more than any other party. Would

you? I certainly wouldn't, I don't think many of the people within a

church like this would. Why not? you look at some of the policies

the Conservative Party is now pursuing, around gay marriage, for

example, which many people within a church like this would see as not

something that is traditionally Tory. Sam, Joe just said he didn't

like Cameron's speech about multiculturalism being dead? That

specific speech was made at the Munich security conference against

a different backdrop. There is a sense that people have to integrate

into this country, and the sense of having lots of different cultures

that don't integrate isn't right. We probably share that view. A lot

of people received that speech about multiculturalism being dead,

as a signal of a return to a monocultural Britain. Where

minorities must buy into mainstream, lose their distinctiveness.

They also didn't like a tweet sent by a Tory MP that the Olympic

Opening Ceremony was multicultural crap. The preacher here calls for a

bail out for Jamaica. Language not far from Gyimah's party, but in a

secular setting. But the barriers remain. Pollsters reveal that one

of the specific reason someone weent vote Conservative, is if they

are not white. This is one of the reasons why the Conservatives can't

form a Government on their own. Lots to discuss there. Sam Gyimah

who advises David Cameron on cultural issues. And Sadiq Khan,

welcome to you both. Sam let's take you back to the boxing ring, you

saw the action of James's glove, he would love to hit a story. That

shows us, I think, the scale of the challenge that you face, doesn't

it? Yes. It is a big challenge. As bishop Aldery says, memories are

long. There are people with deep memories of where the Conservative

Party was circa 197 -- 1970, what we need to recognise is the

Conservative Party today is different to the Conservative Party

of 1970, firstly, so modern Britain needs to recognise that. The

Conservative Party needs to make it very clear what the values are. To

be able to forge a connection with modern Britain. Certainly what is

not the case, which is the assumption of a lot of people, is

that some how it is a white, rural party that cannot connect with

Britain. A lot of our values. We have been celebrating this week the

genius, the creative genius of Danny Boyle. If we look at his life

story, not an immigrant story, but not dissimilar, northern class

family. Some of us have been celebrating Sadiq Khan's Opening

Ceremony, others clearly haven't from your party. What you said,

nobody can disagree with, you evidenced your values by your

policies. If you look at the last two-and-a-half years, your policies,

cutting education maintenance allowance, closing Sure Start,

having policies that discriminate proportionally against women a

disproportionate of black and ethnic minorities work in the

public sector and use its services, the Government has had a

disproportionate affect on them. It is OK going to visit these people,

but evidence your values by your policies. The number of times I

have been in debated with Labour MPs, who proudly say to me, I

represent one of the poorest parts of Britain, which has lots of black

and ethnic minority people in it. I have to say you were in power for

13 years, what happened to those communities when you were in power.

That measure, which is about the kind of policies you are

introducing, disproportionately affecting the voters you are trying

to target? Most ethnic minorities, my parents are immigrant, I have

brought up by a single mother, and they would say to you, one of the

things they want most for their children is to have a better life

than themselves. There is nothing Moraitis important in that context,.

You can make people feel good when there is a lot of money to spend

around. There isn't. Do you accept the Labour Party also has a problem

with complacency, this is something that can be levelled very easily at

you? Yes. What are you doing about that? We mustn't be complacent.

gave you that line, what are you doing? We mustn't take it for

granted that the black and Asian minority vote will come walking to

us. It is walk ago I way from you? If you look at George Galloway and

Bradford West and how surprised your leader was about that by-

election. It was the kick up the back side we needed. We will make

sure our party rep the parties and country. We were in Government for

13 years, what we sought to do was to provide more ladders for people

like Sam's family and mine to prosper. Giving young people good

nursery facilities, Sure Start was very important. Iain Duncan Smith

thought so, you are closing them down. The Education Maintenance

Allowance, keeping people in my constituency, maybe not Sam's, in

further education. What your party did before Tony Blair won in 1997,

was to pose as someone with Conservative values. The moment

they got into power they levelled down rather than up. We have grant-

maintained schools. You don't believe that. If we are looking,

amongst the diverse communities, at a tranche of religious, religious

African, small business owners, who might be Asian. This is very

clearly an area where you ought to be appealing to people in your

traditional Conservative value, yet your liberal value, things like gay

marriage, is a real turn off to a lot of these communities? I think

it shouldn't be. One of the things. But it is? One of the clips that

wasn't shown in the conversation with Bishop Aldery, is all ethnic

minorities have to understand, whatever their religious persuasion,

if we want toll reasons and inclusion, you can't say on the one

hand, tolerate and include you, but don't tolerate people who are not

like us, it cut both ways. It is more important to stick to the

policy sis, even if it means isolating the people you wanton

board? It is about communicating the policies veryle W one of the

policies we don't shout about, our development work. When the

Pakistani floods happened, it was British tax-payers. Don't patronise

the voters. It is not an b aesthetics. It really isn't -- it

is not about as this theics. say our poll -- Aesthetics. You say

our policies are alienating people, this is a policy that is supportive

of the communities. By you replicating Labour's policy on

development is not going to win voters, nor will aesthetics and PR.

You have to look at your policies and your party, and ask why is it

in 2010, after 13 years of Labour failure, ethnic minorities still

reason away from the Conservative Party. I think ethnic minorities

have to do is put a price on the vote and not assume Labour is their

natural home. Whisking you through tomorrow's papers. The financial

, that's all from Newsnight, we will be here tomorrow night, with

all the news fit to broadcast, from you will of as you tonight, good --

all of us tonight, good night. Good evening, mostly daytime

showers are easing to leave a dryer night, a dryer start to Friday,

showers will get going quickly. Some close to southern coastal

counties, and more prolonged showery rain towards the west,

working wards and eastwards through the day. Some heavy and thundery,

better breaks between the showers across part of central and eastern

England, some staying dry. The south-east corner and parts of East

Anglia, most likely to see the showers between the morning and

early afternoon, in the sunshine, temperatures up to 22 degrees.

Expect showers on and off throughout, across the south west

of England, merging to longer spells of rain in Wales. Heavy rain

wherever you are, gusty around the showers. The wettest spell of

weather through Northern Ireland will be through the morning.

Brighter into the afternoon. A cluster of showers around, some of

those again could be on the thundery side, and the wetter side

will be spreading into Scotland. The re- of Scotland, brightening up

a touch, a reasonable day, just a few showers to speak of. From

Friday into Saturday, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and northern

England, the showers will be back and they will be a bit more

plentiful supply, as there will be across many parts of England and

Wales. Low pressure will take dominance across the UK this

weekend, expect showers just about wherever you are, initially across