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Is today the day the coalition started to fall apart. Nick Clegg | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
accuses the Conservatives of breaking the contract between the | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
two parties over House of Lords reform, and freezes MPs to go ahead | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
and scupper Tory plans for boundary changes. In this tit for tat war, | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
has whatever trust there once was now gone for good. The deputy | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
leader of the Lib Dems, a story MP and a Labour Lord will tell us | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
whether they think the coalition has hit the skids. | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
Assad sad forces pound Aleppo, a Sunni Prime Minister defects and | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
joins the rebellion. Diplomacy asphaltered, the indications on the | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
ground -- has faltered and the indications on the ground is things | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
are getting worse. A year ago the sound of breaking | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
glass, now the sound of medals, are we living in a different kind of | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
country a year on? Indignant, slighted, sulky, there | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
was lots of ways to interp pret Nick Clegg today, faul calling a | :01:20. | :01:27. | |
mere lover'sive is not one of them. This is a big falling out. The | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
deputy PM is angry that David Cameron won't coral his | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
backbenchers, and he lashed out and said the Tories had broken their | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
coalition contract, and said Liberal Democrats will turn their | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
back on legislation to cut the number of MPs in parliament. Our we | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
report, the fight, the timing and the territory all point to a deeper | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
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political malaise. They have been learning at the feet of masters | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
this summer, despite ring side seats for them all, the coalition | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Government seem not to have absorbed the olympian ethos, it is | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
not the winning that counts, but the taking part, right? This summer | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
Tories and Lib Dems have unwittingly turned the max sim | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
upside down, for coalition politics now, it doesn't seem the taking | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
part in Government that counts, but winning with your own party. | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
Elegant gold rooms, backed with journalism's Usain Bolt, are rarely | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
convened in the summer. But David Cameron' shelfing of Lords reform | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
weeks ahead of schedule heralded a new day in the coalition. After two | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
years we don't have the Commons majority to ensure this bill | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
progresses through parliament. It is obvious the bill's opponents | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
would now seek to inflict on it a slow death. The coalition partners | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
have been miffed by each other before, but it was what he went on | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
to say that is materially new. Liberal Democrats are proving | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
ourselves to be a mature and competent party of Government. But | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
the Conservative Party is not honouring the commitment to Lords | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
reform. As a result part of our contract has now been broken. | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
Clearly, I cannot permit a situation where Conservative rebels | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
can pick and choose the parts of the contract they like, while | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
Liberal Democrat MPs are bound to the entire agreement. So I have | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
told the Prime Minister that when, in due course, parliament votes on | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
boundary changes for the 2015 election, Liberal Democrats in | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
parliament will oppose them. Blocking boundary reforms, the | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
moves that reduce constituency numbers and reshape Britain's | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
political map now makes it harder for the Conservatives to win a | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
majority. But the tit for tat is more about how the coalition works | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
than the policy that now looks like it has died. No sooner had Nick | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
Clegg pronounced, than Conservative MPs pointed out that his new | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
settlement allowed his ministers to break the Code of Conduct, | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
something their ministers had not been allowed to do. I think that | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
people will be drawing conclusions about the principles that the | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
liberals are operating on. On the Lords reform rebellion, which was | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
obviously smaller than the liberal rebellion on tuition fees, our PPS | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
has resigned -- resigned, they did that on principle, they thought it | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
was the right thing to do, they couldn't go through the coalition | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
lobby on that night. The liberals are not really getting that. They | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
are part of this coalition Government, they need to support | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
the coalition Government, so their behaviour is, yes, very odd. | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
The Deputy Prime Minister does not operate in a vacuum, or if he does | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
it is one sucking him towards the annual gathering of his | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
increasingly depressed activists at party conference. Figureheads on | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
the left are clear what he must do. Boundaries are the bare minimum, | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
nobody should be surprised that Liberal Democrats won't support the | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
boundary reforms now, they were part of a package that included | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
House of Lords reform. Yeah, this is just the beginning. The | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
coalition agreement has been broken, it is an historic moment. It is the | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
first time that the coalition agreement has been challenged, and | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
it is by the Conservatives, they are the one that is have failed to | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
deliver on what was supposed to be a programme for Government. Now, | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
all gloves are off. The Liberal Democrats can choose what they want | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
and what they don't want, and I think you could see some issues | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
which we thought had been passed, for example, the NHS bill, there is | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
still secondary legislation to come. No reason why we can't oppose that | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
now if we choose to. You will eLiberal Democrats putting forward | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
new ideas which weren't in the coalition agreement much more. And | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
selecting bits of the coalition agreement they like and saying, you | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
know what, we don't have to do what you ask us to any more, because you | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
haven't kept your side of the bargain. What about that general | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
election? Any sooner? It's still something that both sides try to | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
warn each other off. The Tories say to their Lib Dem colleagues that if | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
they go to the polls any time soon, they are likely to face a drubbing, | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
equally the Lib Dems say to their Tory colleagues, that actually, if | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
it is anyone likely to be in Government after the next election, | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
it is them. They can form a coalition with Labour, it is | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
unlikely the Tories would ever countenance that. The party base | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
may be bellicose, but the high command hope the extraordinary | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
voting arrangement initiated today, doesn't become ordinary. Perilously | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
close to being half out of Government. While you were dazzled | :06:33. | :06:41. | |
by the gold medals rising in the east, in the west a new dawn was | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
settling in. Both will deny the importance of it, saying they are | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
graciously taking part in Government, not want to go win over | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
backbenches both coalitions leaders are diminished today, unable to get | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
their way. With me are Simon Hughes, the | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats, the Conservative MP, and | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
Cameron loyalist, Nick Boles, and Lord Falconer. If the gloves are | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
really off, just to be clear, Lib Dem MPs, and ministers, are going | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
to vote against boundary reform, is that the case? If an order is | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
brought forward, which it doesn't have to be. David Cameron has made | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
it clear it will happen? I haven't heard him say that today. The | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
answer to your question is yes, if it is brought forward we will vote | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
against it. All Liberal Democrat ministers, 19 of them, will vote | :07:31. | :07:38. | |
against. Of course, when Tory PPS s voted against House of Lords reform, | :07:39. | :07:46. | |
they resigned or were sacked. You will expect all Lib Dem ministers | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
to be sacked? I don't expect that. Forethe first time since the | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
coalition was formed one of the two parties has not honoured the | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
agreement. It was the Conservative Party who went off after the very | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
large vote in favour of the House of Lords in the Commons in July, he | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
had to address the rebellion, the Prime Minister said he had to talk | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
to backbenchers, he has come back to the Deputy Prime Minister and | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
said I cannot deliver my party on the coalition agreement. So, in | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
fact, David Cameron is the one who has failed, and he is the one who | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
has broken the agreement? I voted for House of Lords reform, as did | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
the vast majority of Conservative MPs, and all Conservative minutes | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
tirs and PPSs. The fact is they are there were a lot of backbench | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
members, and they make up their own mind about legislation. David | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Cameron cannot control his backbench? Party leaders can never | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
control, they can win the support and approval, on the vast majority | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
of issues, every single other item that has come before the House, the | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
party, broadly, with a few exceptions, has supported it. This | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
one, not strictly in terms in the coalition agreement. That is the | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
basis of the Government the coalition agreement? It was | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
negotiated after Members of Parliament were elected, there are | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
a lot of Conservative MPs, I disagree with them. I regret what | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
they did. They felt, they felt that they had not made a pledge to the | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
people who voted them into office to put forward this piece of | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
legislation. They had very genuine constitutional kefrs concerns about | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
it. Do you think the coalition has been broken? It has been broken, I | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
don't think Nick is denying that. None of us went to the electorate | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
on the coalition agreement, we went on three manifestos, all three | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
party's leaderships agreed there needed to be a House of Lords that | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
was not hereditary, but elected. We did a deal, both sides, the | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
leadership signed it, it was both parties, and it included House of | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
Lords reform. What do you think of the idea that Lib Dem MPs, but | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
ministers, Liberal Democrat ministers, who vote against the | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
boundary changes, reducing the number of MPs, should they be | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
sacked? I hope they don't do it. It would be a very odd thing to do. | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
They should be sacked if they do? It is an odd thing to. Do there are | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
seats in this country, my seat, Simon's seat have 76,000 electorate | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
in it, and other MPs have under 60,000. It would be odd for a | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
Liberal Democrat to decide a fair democracy is based on seats of such | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
unequal size. They will make their minds up as we did on House of | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
Lords reform. He expects ministers to vote against it, Nick Clegg | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
expects them to vote against it. They are part of this coalition | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
Government, they are going to vote against the Government, should they | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
be sacked? I would reget that just as much as I regret the fact that | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
my colleagues voted against House of Lords reform. The British people | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
would look pretty oddly at both of us, if either of us looked like we | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
would jeopardise the stability of the Government, for the sake of a | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
row over parliamentary constituencies, or the House of | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
Lords. When we have got important bills, we have important bills on | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
special needs education, on enterprise reform, on banking | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
reform, these are vital national issues, on which we agree, we have | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
a lot of work to do, and the British people do not want us to | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
fall out over constituency boundaries which, frankly, benefit | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
only us. That might be true. Tory MPs. That might be true, but let me | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
ask you this, you are entirely in contradiction to what Simon Hughes | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
is saying. He's saying Liberal Democrat ministers will vote | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
against boundary changes if it comes back to the House? Should | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
they be sacked? If Tory PPSs are sacked for voting against the | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
Government, should Liberal Democrat MPs be sacked, yes or no? I would | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
regret if they did that, I'm not the Prime Minister and in charge of | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
sacking people. Let me make a point, there is lodge | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
nick our position, the whole idea of the reform of parliament would | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
make it more democratic, including the Lords, that is now not going to | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
happen. Part of the reason, let me just. To end up with fewer Members | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
of Parliament in the Commons, and no reform in the Lords would | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
clearly be illogical. Feel no obligation to ask me any questions | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
at all. I will say this, there is a bit of dirty work for Labour here, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
you are all about the principle, and Lords reform, that would be the | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
most important thing, of this the new politics under Ed Miliband, you | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
are not supporting it either? never said it was the most | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
important thing, everybody agreed it was a terrible bill. The | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
obligation of parliamentarians was to say, that we said T we supported | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
the principle, but said we would improve it. It was so bad that it | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
couldn't even get 91 of his own backbenchers to support it. So | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
don't say to me they were obliged to support a bill as bad as that. | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
We made it clear we supported Lords reform, but not that bill. Surely | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
the point is, that you should move towards Lords reform, and therefore, | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
rather than just blocading? No, no, no, we should support a bill that | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
is worthwhile, we made it clear we supported the principle, not that | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
bill. Who did we have? 91 Tory MPs supporting it. It was very clear | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
from Nick Clegg's tone today that he was coriscating Labour's role in | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
this? Why do you think that is, he produced a bill he never did any | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
work today, that said that members of the House of Lords could stay | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
for 15 years and not be re-elected. That was said to be accountability. | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
He didn't do the work, and he got his come up pans. That is true, you | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
would agree with that. You were in power all the time u tried to get | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
Lords reform through and didn't deliver. We tried to get it through, | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
the reason was because people like you said we hadn't dealt with the | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
powers, and rightly so. The Labour Party, meant to be progressive, | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
when it comes to this bill, is unwilling to help a progressive | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
bill go through to the reform of the Lords. Only in principle. | :13:51. | :14:01. | |
talk about rebellion now, If Nick Clegg is giving Liberal Democrat | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
ministers the green light to rebel on the boundary changes, why not | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
let them rebel all the time. What exactly are they going to be loyal | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
about in this coalition. It seems to me, surely, this is a central | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
plank of the coalition, Lords reform is very much at the heart, | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
if you can't get this through, what is the point of the coalition? | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
agree with Nick about these things. The coalition was formed, not | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
because we wanted Lords reform, but because the country was in a mess | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
and we decided in the national interest to form a coalition. It is | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
a five-year deal, in the time up to now everything has been delivered, | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
and one thing cannot be delivered. Why the big fuss on the 6th of | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
August? It was clear last week that the Prime Minister said he couldn't | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
deliver the troops to the Deputy Prime Minister, there was rumbling, | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
and while most people want us to talk about jobs, growth and | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
apprenticeships and jobs. Where will it end, if you are saying | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
there will be no more accommodation. You have Liberal Democrat activists | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
very angry about the coalition and Tory backbenchers angry about the | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
coalition, how will it deliver? heard my friend David Hall Matthews | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
express a view, we have signed up to a five-year coalition agreement. | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
This is the first thing that hasn't been delivered, everything else has | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
been delivered, we haven't liked all of it, the Tories haven't liked | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
all of it, they should have delivered on this, that is their | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
problem, they need to sort out that problem. It just isn't their | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
problem, the electorate must look at it and say this is about | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
politicing, although it wasn't a 50-50 on the Lords reform ver rus | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
boundary changes, you are taking the opportunity -- versus boundary | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
changes, you are taking the opportunity. What should we do? | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
it is a better system for the country, you should work for the | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
good of the country? If the Tories can't deliver, what do you expect | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
us to do, say it is all very sad, sorry about this. You can't allow a | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
coalition to go ahead if both sides don't deliver. The message to the | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
Tories is they must deliver. Because they haven't, we can't do | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
the deal on boundary changes. a threat? They are an independent | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
party, they went into this, and we couldn't deliver it, it is | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
regretable, and it is regretable they won't deliver another part. | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
That is life. We will put it behind us, there are far more important | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
issues to work on. That is true. agree on those issues, we have a | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
plan to actually deal with those issues, unlike the last Government | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
which put us into this mess. We will get back to that serious work | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
and put this behind us. Thank you all very much indeed. | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
The Syrian city of Aleppo continues to be pounded by Government | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
artillery from the ground and air as the regime tries to dislodge | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
fighters from rebel held areas. But the morale of the free Syrian | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
Armley will have been boosted with the highest-level defection | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
yesterday from the Assad regime. The newly appointed Prime Minister, | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
Riad Hijab, a brutal law enforcer, has now been reported to have | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
crossed the border. TRANSLATION: Today I announce my defection from | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
killing and terrorism, join the ranks of the revolution and freedom | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
and dignity. From today I announce I'm a soldier serving this blessed | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
revolution, long live Syria free and pure, long live our free Syrian | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
people, long live our heroic Free Syrian Army. | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
I'm joined by our diplomatic editor, how widespread is the violence now | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
in Syria? It is very widespread. I think the key aspect of what's | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
happened in the last few weeks are escalation in terms of the military | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
conflict, and fragmentation of the country. In many senses, if we look | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
at the maps, we can plot it out geographically. The Free Syrian | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
Army, very strong now in the east of the country. Some people say the | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
Government's pretty much given up there. Pretty much given up | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
everything to the east or right of that line. But the Free Syrian Army | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
have also been very active in recent days around Damascus, Deraa, | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
Idlib, where they have been before, pushing into Aleppo, Homs has been | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
a strong point of their's, they are back in the town. We get the idea | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
increasingly of Government troops, with their garrisons in a sea of | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
incertificate rex of insurgecy. When that happens, -- incertificate | :18:28. | :18:38. | |
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rex of insurgency They are going up there and being blocked by the | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
guerrillas, 20 miles north of Homs, we see the response escalate in | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
terms of the weaponry. This is video we have got, taken today, | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
near Rastan, this is what happens when men with guns block the | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
highway. The Syrian army, deploying ever-heavier fire power. Now, we | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
have frozen the image there, in order to just spotlight this. This | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
is one of two objects that flies down towards this town, it is | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
actually, in my assessment, a small ballistic missile, a heavy | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
artillery system, it could possibly be an air-dropped bomb. It is the | :19:17. | :19:24. | |
type of weaponry that the regime had stockpiled for action against | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
Israel or other people, it is used now. This is what happens when the | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
missiles hit the town. With a lot of called collateral damage. Let's | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
talk about Aleppo in detail in a minute, what about Damascus? | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
point to make, although there is a lot of attention on Aleppo, because | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
of the nature of the challenge to the regime. Just collating the | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
figures today, from the Syrian human rights observatory and | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
opposition group, based in London, they talk about loss of life almost | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
as high as in Aleppo in the places I have put here. Several of them | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
key roads, again, where in order to operate the regime has to try to | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
clear the roads. In the process they have killed nearly two dozen | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
people today, according to that observers group. Once again, the | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
impression is of outposts of authority surrounded by a sea of | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
insurgency. Aleppo now is the focus for what's going to be, apparently, | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
a major attack? Absolutely, the Government has been left in a | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
wretched position there, really. Perhaps they took their eye off the | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
ball, several days ago. The insurge gents who had been moving into the | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
north-east of the -- insurgents who had been moving into the north-east | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
of the city, swept down into the centre into this area there. We | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
will put a Free Syrian Army symbol will put a Free Syrian Army symbol | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
on there. That is where they are, and where most of the fighting has | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
been in the last few days. They are also in the centre of the town and, | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
of course, in the north, and north- east, where they have extensive | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
positions. The Government today, air strikes. We have information | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
about three. All in this area, where they believe, it is a route | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
down. Meanwhile, their forces, concentrated at a military base to | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
the south, and building up there. It is a major garrison, and in a | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
suburb there. And some of them, in the centre of the town, beleaguered, | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
not knowing what to do. The real question, in Aleppo, is does the | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
Government have the will to fight its way in, and will the army | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
crumble in such a major urban centre as it tries to do so? Some | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
of that would be down to the weaponry that the resistance has? | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
Absolutely. There has been a lot of discussion recently about are they | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
getting weapons from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, a lot of journalists saying | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
they don't see signs of it. Clearly in many places this war is still | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
about mens with Kalashnikovs and throwing pieces taking on the | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
Syrian army. There are interesting signs of change, particularly of | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
greater organisation. We have video what you might call a complex | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
attack that was mounted, quite cleverly, a couple of weeks near | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
all leppo. The first tank hits a land mine planted in the soft | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
ground across the tarmac, the rest of the column are in heavy gunfire, | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
that is why they are closed down and not above the hatch, their | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
situation awareness is poor. Having pinned them down, they engage the | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
second tank with an anti-tank missile. That may have come from | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
outside, of course. They have hit the second tank, it appears the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
crew of that second vehicle survived and reversed out of | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
trouble. The key point is the complex nature of that attack, | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
mines, gunfire, anti-tank missiles, superior organisation, that could | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
make a major difference. What about the response of the international | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
community now? In the wake of Kofi Annan's resignation as the mediator, | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
diplomacy really is in trouble. That all helps the hawks on both | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
sides, who want to feed the escalation. And frankly, the terms | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
in which the various outside powers have tried to engage with the | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
country, you don't see hope there either. Having mapped out the | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
situation on the ground. It is worth considering the degree to | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
which it is becoming a rojal cockpit for escalation. -- regional | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
cockpit for escalation. As Syria slides deeper into violence, there | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
are a host of countries who feel they have a stake. Starting with | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
allies. Iran, Russia and Lebanon, or its Hezbollah leadership, at | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
least, you might even add Iraq to the list. The kidnap of dozens of | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
Iranian religious pilgrims over the weekend by the opposition, shows | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
how deeply many Syrians resent the role of these outside actors. | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
Whether Iranian troops are on the ground or not, Iran is backing up | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
Assad. It sees Assad as an integral part of its power network in the | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
Middle East. The ability to project power in the region is based on | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
Assad, on Hezbollah and Hamas. External support for the regime has | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
been evident for a long time. But the opposition is benefiting from | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
growing quantities of cash and weaponry given by those who back | :24:16. | :24:26. | |
the country's Sunni majority. Saud dough Arabia, Qatar, and -- Saudi | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
Arabia, Qatar and Turkey have formed a loose alliance to support | :24:32. | :24:40. | |
the groups. It is the sul laughist and Jihadi groups which show | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
another sign of the fragmentation of the country. British councilist, | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
John Cantlie and a gellian -- journalist John Cantlie and a | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
Belgian colleague were kidnapped by fighters. They were not from Syria, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
they were from other places, Pakistan, the UK, Chechnya, the | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
Caucasus, a real mix. international community should | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
worry not only about Assad, but the after Assad falling, what happens | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
to these groups, are they likely to organise an attack on the west. | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
Will they challenge pro-American Governments elsewhere. | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
If the regional picture isn't already complicated enough, what | :25:22. | :25:32. | |
about western countries? The US, UK and France, have they played a | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
constructive role diplomatically in slamming the Assad regime, but | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
putting negligible pressure on the opposition to join a political | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
process. For now I think the international community has played | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
a rather negative role in terms of enabling the conflict, supporting | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
the parties to the conflict in ways that made it possible for them to | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
continue the fight, and not seek political solutions. The current | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
situation is one in which there is precious little hope of a | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
resumption of meaningful diplomacy. Not least because as Kofi Annan | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
made clear, neither opposition, nor Government really wanted. | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
With foreign backers fuelling the fires of conflict, the regional | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
implications of this crisis grow more serious by the week. I think | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
the real point at the end of this, is with Kofi Annan no longer in | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
position, there is a talk of a search for successor, but what | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
could such a person meaningfully do Thank you very much, that is one of | :26:34. | :26:41. | |
the questions I will be putting to our guest. A senior spokesman for | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
the senior National Council, an opposition group with a base in | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
Turkey. The most high-level defection has been Riad Hijab. Tell | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
me how that evolved, what happened? Since he was asked to form a | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
Government, Bashar Al-Assad, he knew that, I mean, he has to find | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
an escape or way out. The plan for his defection started since then. | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
So more than two months ago? It is about two months ago. Through the | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
co-ordination with some of the battalions of the Free Syrian Army, | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
his family and sisters and brothers and their families have been | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
escorted to the border area, all in one night, and they spent the night | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
close to the Jordanian boarder, then he fled to Jordan, and a-- | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
Jordanian border and he fled to Jordan and announced his defection. | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
Where is he now? Jordan. Will he go on from Jordan or what will happen? | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
That is yet to be seen. Discussion is to take place and see the best | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
role he can play. He was no saint, he was a brutal member of the Assad | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
regime, so what part can he play with the Syrian National Council? | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
He was from the Ba'ath Party, I'm not sure we can use the word | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
"brutal" or not, not all people from that party are part of the | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
regime, they number two million. He was part of the regime, and | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
governor, and Secretary of State for Agriculture and then praem. We | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
-- Prime Minister. We encourage the defection of everyone in this | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
regime to jump this sinking ship. He is the highest-ranking position | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
of authority, after the President himself in the country, this is a | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
huge blow to the Assad regime F it shows anything, it shows the -- if | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
it shows anything, it shows the regime is decaying and crumbling. | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
Now we have Kofi Annan's resignation, part of the problem | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
was, under the Kofi Annan plan, not only had Assad to talk, the | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
opposition had to talk and find some kind of diplomatic solution. | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
But you wouldn't talk to the Assad regime? Point one in the Annan Plan | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
was to stop the shelling of cities, towns and villages, point two is | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
release political prisoner and allow Syrians to demonstrate | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
politically freely. None of that happened. There will have to be a | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
diplomatic solution? Assad is taking the conflict into an area | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
where there is no other solution. He's taking himself to the same | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
destiny as Gadaffi. The same, killed in Syria? Perhaps or left or | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
fled the last minute. There has been so many opportunities to solve | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
this conflict in a different way, it has been wasted by this regime. | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
They have been determined to treat the Syrians as subjects, the whole | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
country as their asset, that is why we haven't any movement forward. | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
Part of the way the international community will respond and look at | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
Syria is in terms of the behaviour of the resistance groups. Being | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
held now are more than 20 Iranian pilgrims. Yes. I think there is a | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
dispute, obviously with the resistance as to whether or not | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
they are pilgrims, will they receive a fair trial? Number one, | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
they are being treated fairly and respectfully, and no harassment or | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
torture or ill treatment has taken torture or ill treatment has taken | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
place. Number two we are not yet sure if they were really pilgrims, | :30:04. | :30:10. | |
making this kind of religious trip into a very flaming situation or | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
warzone, basically, or they are Iranian agents that have been | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
captured in the past, snipers and troops and advisers. So, that's | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
been said, these are being treated fairly. Finally, we know, we think | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
there will be a big push on Aleppo, that might be decisive for the | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
future of Assad himself. Do you think he's making plans to leave? | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
think he is considering leaving, but not at this stage. He would | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
maybe leave, I would say, as a last resort, really, when he thinks | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
there is no way for him to maintain grip on Damascus itself. Aleppo is | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
so significant because they cannot really send a lot of troops there, | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
weakening the rest of the presence in their country. And if they let | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
it be, it will be another Benghazi situation in Syria. | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
Thank you very much. It's hard to believe that a year | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
ago today, on August 6th, 2011, five days of riots in cities and | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
towns in England kicked off, causing millions of pounds of | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
damage, weeks of soul searching. Fast forward 12 months and the | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
Olympics seems to have had an halo effect. The UK struck by the | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
success of GB, and more triumph today. Are the riots a distant | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
memory, or are the Olympics a mere distraction from the true state of | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
our inner cities. Before we discuss that, here is Paul Mason. | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
Mo Farah for Great Britain, it's gold. | :31:40. | :31:48. | |
This is what it looks like when a Briton wins. | :31:48. | :31:54. | |
And the weekend was a medal fest for British athletes. | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
This was, in your face, multiethnic Britain, comprehensive school | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
Britain, and even when somebody else's runner won, parts of Britain | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
claimed him as their own. In Brixton, London, they are | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
celebrating Jamaican independence, on top of everything else, all too | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
aware of the contrast to events a year ago. With some cultural events, | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
it is complex, it is hard to work out what the zeitgeist is trying to | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
tell you. But with the Olympics, ever since the Opening Ceremony, | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
it's been about class, race, and who we are as a people, this | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
weekend, maybe something big changed. As the Sun Newspaper puts | :32:35. | :32:41. | |
it, the far right, are wasting their time. We're a multiethnic | :32:41. | :32:50. | |
country, and they have lost. But can two weeks of Olympic mania | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
offset a year of angst about what happened in England's poor | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
communities. Can streets like these really start to believe in a | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
different story. At the public tennis courts in Clapham, sport | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
doesn't get more grass roots. This is a youth scheme, paid for by the | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
council, run by volunteers, they are not short of tennis balls, they | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
are short of tennis coaches. Is this the first time most of you | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
have actually had a got at coached tennis? Yeah. What do you think of | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
it? When I was younger I used to think, I never want to do tennis, | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
now I have seen Andy Murray play, I want to try to learn tennis now and | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
get better at it. It doesn't matter where you come from, as long as you | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
are good at what you are doing, and try lots of stuff to see what you | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
are good at, and to be able to show people, even if you are in a | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
backstreet with a basketball court, if you can do it good then you | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
should do it. For these young people, memories of the riots are | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
vivid. It was just chaos. All crowds fighting, burntdown | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
buildings, that is me and my Primary School. It is not over Mark | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
Duggan, and the cuts and all that, it was just something that you | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
really wanted, I think it was temptation. Do you think something | :34:11. | :34:18. | |
like the Olympics will help avoid repeating it? Well, I really think | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
it would. It should. Some people who are from rundown areas, yeah, | :34:23. | :34:30. | |
they can have a chance as well. Because it shows that the Olympics | :34:31. | :34:37. | |
is like and as a variety of people that come, that come together and | :34:37. | :34:45. | |
do sports, and no chaos. Nice shot, back you go. The fact is, | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
aspirations like these cost money. It would normally cost �8 to be | :34:50. | :34:56. | |
taught tennis in a group of six, �40 an hour for one-on-one, �600 a | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
month at a private tennis academy. For all these children, these are | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
unattainable sums. Last week British Olympic chief, Lord | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
Moynihan complained that half our medal winners last time went to | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
private schools. The past 72 hours have done a lot to redress the | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
balance. We have seen comprehensive gold for | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
Andy Murray, Bradley Wiggins, Helen Glover, Victoria Pendleton, Jessica | :35:24. | :35:34. | |
:35:34. | :35:34. | ||
Ennis, long jumper Greg Rutherford and Mo Farah. But, says this | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
academic, the social divisions that caused cities to erupt last summer | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
are still there. We haven't dealt with any of the root causes of the | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
riots, and actually, young people are still going to have problems | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
finding work. Mark Duggan's family is still waiting for justice. And | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
we still have this massive difference between the rich and | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
poor in this city. Until we can actually tackle those, the Olympics | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
can't really have this long-lasting halo effect. Tonight, as every | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
night, London's Hyde Park attracted a crowd mess merised by the sudden | :36:08. | :36:15. | |
success of people they have never heard of. Before the Olympic, | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
politicians were worried they might be seen too close to the at lots, | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
trying to own the games. -- athletes, trying to own the games. | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
What nobody realised was British people would shamelessly own the | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
games themselves. Night after night they will sing The National Anthem, | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
they will eat the national dish, if this is some kind of political | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
movement, it is very eared -- political moment, it is very weird | :36:42. | :36:52. | |
:36:52. | :36:55. | ||
and very British. # God save our Queen | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
Joining us to discuss the issue are my guests. A young Mayor of | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
Lewisham, and a commentator on the Times. You are charged with | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
inclusiveity and making sure that the halo-effect got to the | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
advantaged and disadvantaged alike. But will what you are doing have | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
any lasting difference to the country, do you think? Well, it is | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
a big question, isn't it. Of course we hope that many, many young | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
people, who have already taken part, and learned creative skills, will | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
take that creativity further, and that everyone who has already had | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
the chance to see world class artists has had a great time. I | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
think that we have got here a vision of, a country that welcomes | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
artists and athletes from around the world, and celebrates and | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
embraces them. We cheer all the athletes in the stadium, not just | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
the British athletes. That is a really important thing about us. | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
welcome and reveer them, and think they are doing a wonderful job, | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
does it make our lives different? One year ago, I walked down | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
Tottenham High Road with my daughter from the Tottenham | :38:02. | :38:09. | |
Tottenham Hotspur friendly we saw the people gathering outside | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
Tottenham Police Station, and how ominous it felt under those | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
circumstances. We had the eruption, and a year later we have something | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
like the Olympics. What we are seeing is two very different types | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
of people. There are several countries contained within our | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
nation. It overlaps at certain times. What do you mean different | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
kinds of people? By and large, I think the we estimated about 20,000 | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
people were involved in rioting. That's fewer people than you would | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
have had for one of the women's football matches in Cardiff. | :38:41. | :38:48. | |
Nevertheless, because of what it represented, what we understood | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
about underprivileged, disadvantaged, lawlessness in | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
certain parts of our cities, we could see it was a very big problem, | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
even if it didn't have that many people involved in it. The Olympic | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
Games is much, much bigger in terms of the number of people actively | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
involved in doing something or thinking something about it. | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
example, for those 20,000 that were involved, will the Olympics | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
actually make any lasting difference? I think the Olympics is | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
a great opportunity for the UK to host the Olympics in the first | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
place, but I do think that it shouldn't overlap the idea of the | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
reason why the riots happened. And those people are still being | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
affected by it. I think being a young person myself, I'm still on a | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
day-to-day basis dealing with those struggles itself. How many people | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
can say if they let their child out in the morning time, that they can | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
guarantee their child will come home safe at night. How many people | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
can guarantee they can feed their children for the rest of the week | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
or take care of their family. Those are the things we should look at in | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
terms of deprivation. Fundamentally we can celebrate the Olympics, but | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
underneath, has changed? It is �2,000 for an Opening Ceremony | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
ticket. What was that about? think we should say, children could | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
go for tickets that cost the same as their age. We in our London 2012 | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
festival, we have 12 million free tickets that we have been offering. | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
I think we should say an important thing. Let's talk about sport for a | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
minute. What was the cheapest ticket �30? Children can go for | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
their able. You can see a lot of the sport in the Olympics for free. | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
You could see the marathon free, some of the cycling free. But I | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
think a really good point in your film is aspiration costs money. And | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
that is true. What every young person needs is the chance to dream, | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
and the chance to develop their dreams. And both arts and sport, | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
and of course you would expect me to be pushing the art, alongside | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
the sport, are the stuff of dreams. We have got to make sure that what | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
we have built on during these games in this summer is something we | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
carry on with. You have been involved in the Cultural Olympiad | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
for some time, after the riots did you have a re-think about the | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
direction in which you wanted to take things? The Cultural Olympiad | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
have put young people and developing their skills at the | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
start. As you remember we opened the London 2012 festival with young | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
people in sterling, and with young people in Hackney, for the radio -- | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
Stirling, and with young people in Hackney for the concert, free | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
ticket to see Jay-Z and Rihanna and learn skills. We have always had | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
skills learning there and free tickets, that is really important. | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
I might be misquoting Mark Hunter, saying there is enough money in the | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
pot -- Jeremy Hunt, saying there is enough money in the pot for sport. | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
A lot of people will be inspired and they will go out and there | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
won't be the gym, sport facilities? That will always be a problem. | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
There is a significant amount of money going into kids school sports | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
activities than 40 years ago. We have done an incredible job through | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
the lottery, in some of these very schools, in Lewisham, in Tottenham, | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
the fact it hasn't solved our underlying social problems, I don't | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
think it should be an immense surprise. It isn't because people | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
haven't been trying to do it. It is because it doesn't actually tackle | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
some of the very specific problems these communities have. Then there | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
are other problems about division in society which we know about, | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
which have something to do about the fact that the very wealthiest | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
people are incredibly wealthy compared with everybody else, it is | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
like talking to people who live on another planet. That is an issue we | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
have to deal with. The idea of the Olympic is something that no-one | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
wants to be cynical about, it is a great chance to see what athletes | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
can do and inspire a generation. People like Andy Murray and Jessica | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Ennis, Mo Farah, when I was watching the Olympics I felt | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
inspired. But at the same time, how do we get to a point where we can | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
have people in deprived areas aspiring to be those successful | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
people. It starts in the community. The Government needs to come down | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
to a lower level and speak to people. The idea of Boris Johnson | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
going to Clapham, talking about cleaning up the area. Let's be real | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
about it, forget the PR stunts, Britain has to wake up and hold | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
politicians to account, that doesn't mean voting, it is active | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
throughout the year and years to come. Boris Johnson has said many | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
things, one thing he did say, is what he felt in a society of | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
instant gratification, seeing the endeavour, the long, long years | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
that you put in, Beth Tweddle, gives the idea that something takes | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
a long time to come back for you? think that actually everyone with | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
talent knows that. They know that it's about determination and hard | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
work. But it is also about support, it is about coaching, it is about | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
facilities and it is about a long- term policy. It is not an accident | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
that we are winning so many medals now it is not an accident we are so | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
brilliant at music around the world and creative industry. It is about | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
long-term policy and support. there something about raising the | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
national spirit? I think this has come at a really important moment. | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
I think there was a real danger, before the Olympics and the Jubilee, | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
that the country was beginning to turn in on itself, very negative | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
about things like immigration, very negative about other people in the | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
society. One of the things I think the Olympics may have done, and it | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
is too early to tell, judging by the mood, is it has turned us back | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
outwards, we are not looking inwards or beating ourselves up, we | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
are looking outwards to the rest of the world. That is where we have to | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
be. The future of the kids in Lewisham is about taking on the | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
rest of the world, it is not smacking ourselves down. Do you | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
think that, or is it a more middle- class idea, do you think that is | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
actual low true? I believe in a lot of things. Last week my brother's | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
best friend was murdered, now that's something that's really | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
personal towards me, my family, it affected a lot of people in my area. | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
It is a ricochet effect, if we are talking about the Olympics at a | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
national level, it is great talking about the Olympics, but when we | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
have issues like that happening to normal families, people trying to | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
live their lives day-to-day, people are going through a lot, people | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
don't have the time to sit in front of the television and enjoy the | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
Olympics. People don't have the money. Although it is �30, some | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
people have to use that money to feed their family, those are the | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
people we need to sort out to get everyone to the point where we will | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
see we will get those young people to play sports. There is no point | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
inspiring young people if you are not going to give them the right | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
facilities to nurture their talent long-term. Well, of course I | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
couldn't disagree with a word of that. But I would say that | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
inspiration is something to seize, we can seize the moment, and | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
actually this is a great moment for us, there is an opportunity for us | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
to build on this. We should do so, we really should. I think | :45:41. | :45:47. | |
personally, someone like Ruth is inspiring, definitely, I incourage | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
everything you are doing. But I think in terms of Government and | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
people we see in the media all the time. We need to hear those same | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
things, we need to hear them say it and say we are going to do this | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
together, forget politic, let's talk about the real thing, people | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
need to hear more about it. Thank you very much. | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
A quick run around tomorrow's front pages. There is the equestrian team | :46:08. | :46:18. | |
:46:18. | :46:38. | ||
That's just about all from Newsnight. I'm here tomorrow with | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
more. Team GB won the first show jumping medal for 28 years today, | :46:42. | :46:52. | |
:46:52. | :47:20. | ||
and yes, it was a gold. From of us Good evening. We have more | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
unsettled weather to come for a couple of days. Things will turn | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
dryer, warmer and sunnier for the end of the week. A fairly cloudy | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
start to things on Tuesday morning. We have some rain moving towards | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
south-west England and parts of South Wales. To the north of that a | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
mixture of sunshine and showers. Not too many showers across parts | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
of the Midlands, here it will be mainly dry and bright. We have a | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
lot of cloud through Sussex and along the south coast. The rain is | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
with us through the afternoon, stretching into the Isle of Wight | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
and down towards parts of Devon. Cornwall beginning to dry out. The | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
rain clearing away as it moves into South Wales. For North Wales | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
through the afternoon it should be dry and fine with sunny spells. We | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
have some sunshine for Northern Ireland. I can't rule out the odd | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
shower, but for the most part it should be dry. The showers isolated | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
across parts of Northern Ireland, much more scattered across parts of | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
Scotland, a few heavy ones through central Scotland. You can see | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
plenty of wet weather to come on Tuesday, temperatures in Edinburgh, | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
19. The showers start to clear through Wednesday, as pressure | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
begins to climb across the country t does become dryer. A little bit | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
of brightness, lifting temperatures into the low 20s. We have a very | :48:32. | :48:35. |