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Tonight in hock up to its neck Greece pleads for just a little bit | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
more time. But after the long hot summer is the promise of September | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
action about to materialise? We'll ask the world biggest bond trader | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
if the printed money's soon going to rain down. Fear of clothing in | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
Las Vegas. He's third in line to the throne, he's naked, but Fleet | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
Street wont touch it with a barge pole. Have they suddenly developed | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
a conscience or have they got the fear of Leveson in them. We have | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
Neil Wallis, a former deputy editor of the News of the World, the | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
publicist Max Clifford and Vanessa Feltz. The airwaves have been alive | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
with male politicians sounding off about rape. In her first interview | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
since resigning Tory MP Louise Mensch says she's fed up with them, | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
and has challenged David Cameron to put women in senior positions in | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
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the Justice Department. Also its game over for the man who stole | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
multi millions from Polly Peck shareholders. He protested his | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
innocence until the end. A man worth hundreds of millions of | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
pounds, spending dozens of millions of pounds a year on charity, what | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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Good evening. Global investors have sitting like hawks on telephone | :01:30. | :01:38. | |
wires watching the drama in Athens as the Prime Minister, Antonis | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
Samaras begs for his colleagues for more time. Since July big stock | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
markets have risen of the expectation in the end the European | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
cl bank will intervene, but with people waiting for the news, to see | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
if they're stepping in to purchase the debt and ease the crisis the | :01:59. | :02:09. | |
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As our mini-heat wave comes to a end, Continental Europe have been | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
suffering under dangerously high temperatures for weeks. The Euro | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
crisis, which is over a thousands days old, is suffering again. And | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
shock horror, Greece is in the frying pan. It want a two-year | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
extension on the 130 billion Euro loan on troick ker, which was | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
agreed last March. The new Greek Prime Minister, Antonis Samaras | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
hosted the conference, with Jean- Claude Juncker who alongside the | :02:47. | :02:57. | |
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rest f the troick ker, bailed Today body language expert were | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
deployed to see if there were changes in the mood at least. | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
have to discuss, the lengthening of the period, and other die mentions | :03:14. | :03:24. | |
of the problem, when we are taking the findings of the troika. | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
Any economy in prolonged recession, with soaring unemployment, | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
particularly among young people, cannot stand on its own feet. | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
Afterwards, Mr Samaras invited Mr Juncker to further talks in his car. | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
Can you join me in my car. Tomorrow he flies to France, before jeting | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
to a nipier Berlin, for talks with Merkel measuring, who he will hope | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
is fully refreshed and upbeat after her holiday in Salzburg But | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
creditor nationness the north are cooler on the yfd of a pause in | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
Greek repayments. German MP, hinted today that Germany was already | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
throwing good money after bad by lending money to Greece. "what's | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
the point of the German taxpayer IOUs if the debtor will not pay." | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
Why give Greece more time when it is barely making the structures it | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
agreed to. There is a recognition amongst the troika, there is need | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
to provide relief for the new Government can meet its fiscal | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
targets. But that of course, creates additional financing meeds | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
and that's a difficult conversation amongst the creditor countries. | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
Meanwhile something big is the offing in Frankfurt. Home to the | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
European Central Bank. It looks set to finally use the biggest monetary | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
weapons in the Arsenal, through a programme of unlimit buying, that | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
means the ECB will buy up Government bonds of weaker eurozone | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
countries in the hope of ending the volatility which doged the zone for | :05:09. | :05:17. | |
almost three years. Expect to hear new C words in the coming weeks, | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
conditioningality and convertability. It is the strings | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
if it is to buy bonds on the open ended basis. The Spanish and | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
Italians may formally apply for a bailout from the bailout programmes. | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
As convertability that might account for the softening of the | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
German stance of late. If the future of the currency is called to | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
doubt, that is you cannot convert the currency, the Germans hay allow | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
the ECB whatever, and we mean whatever is necessary, to save the | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
single currency. That talk of major intervention has already stopped | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
the slide in the Euro against most currencies and dramatically lowered | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
Italian and Spanish borrowing costs, down 11 and 17% respectively. If | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
all markets, politicians taxpayers and the weather, were to line up | :06:10. | :06:17. | |
correctly, could we ever arrive at Utopiaville, where coolness lives | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
comfortablely, side by side with southern spending heat. We could | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
see them buy time to slowly and incrementally, and deliberately | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
move towards a banking and political union. Unless we | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
eventually get to debt neutralisation or monetaryisation, | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
or both, we will not see eqib lib reium in the area. It remains a hot | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
issue, but citizens drift towards a banking, fiscal and political union, | :06:48. | :06:57. | |
which few would have forecast, even a year ago. Well watching that from | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
a studio in California, is a man who knows a thing or two about the | :07:02. | :07:10. | |
market, Mohamed El-Erian is CEO of the world's largest bond investors. | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
Hearing German politicians, particularly, saying that it | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
wouldn't really matter, if Greece left the Euro, what's your | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
assessment of that? I think long- term it would be better for the | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
eurozone if Greece were to exit, sixly because Greece has enormous | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
problem generateing economic growth and jobs within the zone and Greece | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
has too much debt so. The solution within the eurozone is difficult. | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
The problem is there is no short- term solution. There is no killer | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
rap to get Greece out without disrupting the rest of the eurozone | :07:48. | :07:54. | |
so no-one makes the decision or go down in history as having that | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
decision made. We have to muddle through again. Are you betting on | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
that? What I'm thinking is going to happen, I want to make a distinct | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
what is likely to happen and what should happen. What is likely to | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
happen is very messy compromise that involves giving some more time | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
to the tkpwreecks but not very much. And - Greeks and involves the | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
creditor giving more money, but not very much, and it will break apart | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
in a few weeks anyway. That's what likely to happen. What should | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
happen is people step back, recognise they've been adapting the | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
wrong approach for the last three years, and making the courageous | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
decision. We will end up getting to the difficult decisions but | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
unfortunately, they're going to be forced on Greece, rather than taken | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
by Greece. The expectation is, and the ECB will come in and Hoover up | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Spanish and Italian bonds, Hoover up their debt. Do you think that's | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
the most likely thing to happen? I don't think the E contribution | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
becomes will do that for Greece. I think the ECB will make a distinct | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
tweeng Greece on the one hand and Spain and Italy. And that is a | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
really important distinction that the ECB wants to make and should | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
make, because Spain and Italy are not where Greece is. In terms what | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
they'll do for Spain and Italy, expectations are high, people | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
listen very carefully to the President in London, when he said | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
the ECB is committed to serving the Euro, and do whatever it takes, and | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
believe me it will work, that's what he said. Markets will see | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
words translated into actions, we don't think the translation is that | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
simple. How disappointed will you be if this doesn't happen? I think | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
that the market in general, will be disappointed. All of us should be | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
ready for renewed volatility. We've had a wonderful four weeks of | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
tranquuillity, that tranquuillity was caused by words, not actions. | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
Now we need actions. And I think it will be very hard for the ECB to | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
deliver what both Germany wants which is can't and what Spain and | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
Italy want which is cash. Right, and they're going to have to strike | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
the delicate balance, and it is a very delicate balance to strike. | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
looks like the ECB will do whatever it takes, this will be a open-ended | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
of all debt and printing money, what will that do to the global | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
markets? So F the ECB, does that, and I stress, if, in capital | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
letters, because it is still uncertain, first, that would be | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
tremendous support for Italy and Spain. That would come down. Second | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
it would undermine the long-term credibility of central banks, | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
central banks are not supposed to take on the credit risk. This is | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
for the fiscal agencies, so there's a question about the functioning of | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
institutions, third, it would impose significant political stress | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
within the eurozone for the reasons you heard earlier in your report. | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
Which is the Germans don't think that's the right approach to | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
solveing the problem, they want conditionality, rather than cash. | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
So I think it would solve short- term but come plicate the eurozone | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
long-term. The three things, neutralisation, conditionality and | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
acceptance by citizens in Europe. So far it's been difficult to meet | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
the three criteria. Thank you very much for joining us x. Now, when | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
Prince Harry got his kit off in a Las Vagas hotel room, perhaps he | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
had expectation what went on in a private room in Vegas, stayed in | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
Vegas, he reckoned without a camera phone, and American chat website, | :11:51. | :11:58. | |
has been snapped naked. Like father like son, Prince Charles naked | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
appeared in 1949, but Prince Charles was not a in clairch with a | :12:04. | :12:11. | |
naked woman. Not a single newspaper has done images of Prince Harry, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
but the Sun which looks nothing like Prince Harry, they were taking | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
no risks. Is it because editors have come on overbarb flee about | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
privacy or fear Lord Justice Leveson is breathing down their | :12:23. | :12:32. | |
necks? Here is Stephen Smith. Keeping a low profile, in cerise | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
bermudas and straw panama, the third in line to the throne has | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
been enjoying down time in Las Vagas, after the duelties of the | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
Olympics. He challenged, Ryan Loche to a race in a nightclub pool. Not | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
sure that was the legacy, everyone was talking about. The Prince | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
invited a whole bunch of people back to his sweert for a few rubers | :12:57. | :13:07. | |
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Overnight, celebrity web sites in the States ran fuzzy snaps of a | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
naked Prince Harry, in clinchs with women, also wearing very little. | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
Christmas for the tabloids, or so you'd think. It is a fantastic | :13:21. | :13:30. | |
story, he has no clothes on in a bear hug with a lady which appears | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
to be wearing no clothes in a hotel room, literally any journalist | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
worth his salt, whether at one end of the market or the other, would | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
have said, thank you God. It doesn't affect Prince Harry at | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
aufplt because in a way, people would say, he's 28-year-old army | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
officer, he's single and cavorting with ladies who wish to be Kay | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
vorted with, so where are the issues. There are none, accept one, | :13:57. | :14:06. | |
Leveson. Air strikes yes, Leveson, with his Lordship's judgment coming | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
soon, British newspaper websites so far declined to run the pictures. | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
Quite right too, say some: We have to remember that although this is | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
Prince Harry, and two girls, this is a 27-year-old, single male who | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
hasn't done anything wrong and who ought to be allowed something of a | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
private life. The palace played this exactly right, saying they | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
won't make any comment whatsoever about it. Now, over and above that, | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
there isn't any scandal that he's done something that is wrong. | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
There's no criminal aspect of it, there's no leadership aspect of it, | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
so he's entitleed to have a private life. So it seems that while the | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
old media will of course be invited to royal photo OPs, such as the | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
work out with Bolt, but less obliging on other stories, like | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
websites which lie out Leveson remit. One well known gossip site, | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
written here, posted the Harry pictures. At the end of the Leveson | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
Inquiry, and summation of News International barrister gave to the | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
inquiry, he actually said, it is all right for the Fawkes blowing, | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
they will have a advantage if they clach down on us, so the newspapers | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
are aware this situation cannot exist. And as things get difficult | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
for the old dead tree press, it is to my advantage the Leveson Inquiry | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
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It had all been going so well for Prince Harry. | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
So, as we countdown to tomorrow morning's papers, what do you do if | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
you're an editor? Risk the wrath of the owner, the lawyers? So I'm the | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
editor of the Sun, I have loads of other issues flying around me, I | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
don't want to embarrass Rupert Murdoch or cost myself my job, in | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
case I get it wrong. The bold move should be to run the damn things. I | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
understand that links later, and Herbert Smith will be all of you, | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
but there's a reason for doing T it is not as though, it is a hole in | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
the wall camera. This is obviously, clearly surrounded by a group of | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
other young people and said that's rather good, we'll have a picture | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
of that. This strip pool party is bad for who exactly? Harry, the | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
palace, the press? It is beginning to look like a cue. | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
Joining me now, we have the evergreen PR tkpwruer rue, Max | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
Clifford, victim of phone hacking, Feltz felt and Neil Wallis who is | :16:56. | :17:03. | |
on police bail as part of the phone hacking investigation, and unable | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
to answer any questions involving that investigation. If you were at | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
the height of your powers, one of the tabloid papers, would you have | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
printed? PreLeveson yes, now no. Because you're afraid, it is either | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
a good photograph or not. situation is fun, it's a good | :17:23. | :17:30. | |
classic newspaper situation. The problem is, in this post-Leveson | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
era, where newspapers are sixly terrified of their own shadow, they | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
daren't do things that most of the country, if they saw it in the | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
paper, would think, that's a bit of a laugh, there there would be no | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
harm done, and they would not think any worse of either the paper, or | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
of Prince Harry. If you thought it was a laugh, what is the public | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
interest defence in these piketures? It is straightforward. | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
He is the third in line to the throne, he has been on the world | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
stage for weeks and weeks. He is supposedly, rounded by police | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
security officers. The truth is, those girls: Clothed or unclothed. | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
Those girls are a group he met at the hotel. That's fine if you are | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
my 27-year-old son, but this is the third in line. For goodness sake F | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
he were in a state or public capacity, if he was suddenly, | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
striping off, at the Olympic Games in full view of the billion viewers, | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
that would be shocking, and that would be a matter of public | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
interest. What he does, in a private hotel room, is what we | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
expect him to be doing, he is a young fellow, he is not married or | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
on state business not representing the Queen, he is having a good | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
laugh. He deserves it, he has been a great ambassador. Any editor who | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
says Prince Harry is doing what he does in private, get naked and cop | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
off, with the opposite sex, that tickles their fancy, and say it is | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
is a private matter S right. If one of the young women, came to you | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
with that photograph, would you take it to a paip sner There's no | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
point because they wouldn't publish it. In a previous life, pre- | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
Leveson? I wouldn't have done, because I have a lot of time for | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
Prince Harry, I like him. Permly, I wouldn't have done, and I think | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
from a PR prers spective, this won't affect his popularity, in | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
terms of what he does with the armed forces, he does a lot in the | :19:31. | :19:39. | |
kids and charities. I have seen him, he has done a lot he and William to | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
make the Monarch as popular as they are today. It is about why the | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
editors make the decision to do that. You see, this is a perfectly | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
reasonable point of view, and if an editor sits and say on journalistic | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
decisions I will decide to or not, that's fine. They're not, that's | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
not the reason, it is not in the Sun tonight. Hang ong, I want to go | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
back, absolutely, Harry is a really decent guy, the Olympics, he's done | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
so and ofpblt but you represent Rebecca Lewis, David Beckham was | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
perfectly decent guy, wasn't he? David Beckham was married. | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
Allegations all the time. I never didn't say it was. But David | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
Beckham was a family man and the whole brand of Beckham was family, | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
family. That's how he was being solid to the world, Rebecca, if the | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
allegations were true, showed that was rubbish and hypocrisy. And the | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
public were being deceived, that's a justification, if there was any | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
in that situation. There's nothing Prince Harry is pretending to be. | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
What is the line now though, I think you would say, that actually, | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
public interest defence may be 20% now? Absolutely right. It is | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
totally changed. As Neil said, basically, before Leveson, and | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
since Leveson, it's totally changed. And my experience, probably, 80% | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
would have made the front page, don't. Why is it a bad thing that's | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
changeed What you're suffering from is knew neutered newspapers. Max is | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
a great example, he mentioned David Beckham's story, do we believe if | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
the story arose now, whether we would get it in a newspaper, I | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
would suspect, that most editors would be embarrassed if you put it | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
to them, because they would be frightened of the consequences, | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
because if you got attacked by Leveson, he would lose your job. If | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
your paper was criticised, the advertisers would flee. You're | :21:53. | :22:00. | |
saying to me, actually the papers are neutered and editors are | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
sitting on legitimate stories? Dels a load of stories, people have | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
come to me, in the last two or three years, were legitimate public | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
stories, exposing paedophiles, editors are frighteneds because | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
this is their private lives, therefore we can't go will. | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
there a bad effect? This is fabulous, awakening of a dormant | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
conscience, if fear is the catalyst for the conscience, who cares. If | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
there's some kind of moral, awakening, then it is about damn | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
time because they're far too many people's lives have been paid fast, | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
if you ask the public, are you suffering a dreadful dirth, is | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
there a famine of fabulous stories you feast, the public will say, | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
what, they wouldn't know what you're talking about. Have you seen | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
this page, it is not, you seen the photographs., It is something else, | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
everyone has seen the internet, that's hilarious. The reason the | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
Sun that is done this, is Leveson. The point of it is, that if you | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
take away the significance of Prince Harry today. What we're | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
talking about is an issue whereby, we have a culture, that means that | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
here in Britain, in Ireland tonight, you stand on the border, one foot | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
on one side, the Irish, herald has the picture ton its front page. You | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
stand on the other side on the border and the British newspapers | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
are too scared to show that picture. Yet you go on the web, and all over | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
the world you can see these piketures. The only people who | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
can't are British newspapers. It is a response face nat, decent. | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
The point is it is the next stage of news, isn't it? As you said, | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
it's on the web. Lots have looked at it, would you have bought a | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
newspaper if it was in it? To have a good look, he looks fantastic, I | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
would buy a centrefold with Prince Harry looking like that. It is he | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
will straight wheen News of the World closed and Sun took over. It | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
is nothing like it the News of the World, because the British public | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
wanted the scandal, the things that are exposed in the News of the | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
World, that doesn't happen any more. Whether it is a good thing or not | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
it another matter. We talked about:. British public miss it. | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
In advance of Leveson, finally on the question of the Royal family. | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
It will be a very, very, interesting paper that would | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
publish anything in the Royal family now, do you think it is off | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
limits, do you think they've successfully managed the PR. They | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
were off limits until 40 years ago, and suddenly, things were appearing | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
that you would never have dreamt off. Now the Royal family, along | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
with everybody else major store is getting massive protection, mainly | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
because of Leveson and everything has changed out there. There's an | :25:10. | :25:16. | |
argument for and against, you must have a free press, and responsible | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
press, but now, the press's hands are tied behind their back. It is | :25:22. | :25:29. | |
the bad guys that get away with it as a result. The Conservative MP, | :25:29. | :25:37. | |
and author, Louise Mensch wrote a piece in today's Daily Telegraph, | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
about MPs attitude to rape. From Henri de Galle to Todd Akin to the | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
mouriesry Senate race. What could be her last salvo, she challenged | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
David Cameron to put a woman in the senior department. She's fed up | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
with male politicians demeaninging the more risk crime of rape. Here | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
are a few of the comments that annoyed her. Not everybody needs to | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
be asked prior to each insertion, some people believe that when you | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
go to bed with somebody, take off your clothe and have sex with them, | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them. | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
that's really rare, if it's a legitimate rape the female body | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
that's ways to shut that whole thing down. Assume that didn't work | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
or something, I think there should be punishment, but the pun yushment | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
ought to be on the rapeest and not child. The allegations are rape | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
though aren't they? It is well worth people watching us tonight to | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
go go on-line and discover what they can about the allegations how | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
they were made. Who made them, what those people who made them, did | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
afterwards. And, looking at what happened. Serious rape, I don't | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
think many judges give five years for a forcible rape, frankly. The | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
tariff is longer than that. And a serious rape, where violence, and | :27:14. | :27:22. | |
unwilling woman, you attach much longer than that. A few comments | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
from prominent people. Louise, first of all, there's a serious,am | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Biff lens here amongst male politicians and not just men, about | :27:31. | :27:39. | |
the idea of a violent stranger rape, and coercion in the home? This | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
gradeation, which is recognised in Swedish law in a strange way? | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
That's the point of my piece, all too often male politicians | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
recognise one type of rape, when a stranger holds you off out of the | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
bushes and rapes you. They don't want to look at the areas of | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
consent or believe a wife for example could say no to her husband | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
and be raped within marriage. They aren't interested in shades of grey. | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
A and that's something we have to change. When you look at it, in | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
England and Wales T became illegal to rape within marriage, 21 years | :28:09. | :28:17. | |
ago, is this a kind of relic of old attitudes or new attitudes as well? | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
Unbelieveablely, shocking, so it is an attitude that has gone on for | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
ages, we should have had marital rape for ages as a crime. It is | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
shocking that took us that long. Those attitudes are still there. | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
And people, actually for whatever reason, have sway? Yes., you mean | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
the politicians have sway, these are the people, this is why it is | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
more important than celebrities making stupid comments about rape. | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
These are the law-makers, that will affect how rapists are punished | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
lepbl slated against and recognised in the courts, and also, they set | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
the culture. And sometimes, women, have been driven to feeling that | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
men just don't get it, they fundamentally don't get it. We've | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
seen politicians from the extreme left, like Craig Murray naming an | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
accuser, live on your programme, former Lib Dem. We've seen people | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
from the extreme right. Ken Neath Clarke. Although I do in Ken's case, | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
he really did mis-speak, he was talking about aggravateing factors. | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
Was ust way of putting things. you have things like Whoopi | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
Goldberg, saying it wasn't rape, rape, it is not just men, who are | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
voicing these attitudes? No it isn't just men, and Helen Mirren, | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
made ust remarks as well. But it is far more often men than women. | :29:43. | :29:50. | |
Whilst it is disgraceful that whoopy as activists seekss to | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
justify the film maker. There is only one type of rape, when a | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
victim of rape does not give consent to sex. That's what makes a | :29:59. | :30:09. | |
in rape. How can this be addressed. What you talked about, is ask David | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
Cameron in a senior role. We have a female Home Secretary? It isn't | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
necessary change, I wish to take issue the idea I'm demanding or | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
challenging David Cameron to do anything, I would encourage him to | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
consider it. I think it would be a great idea to do it. This is | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
already his man, I believe. He inherited a parliamentary party | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
with not very women. He did a lot to change that permly and now we | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
have Anna, who will make a fabulous minister. David Cameron made a big | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
effort to change that, and you were one of the people he chose to make | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
that effort with. And you, potentially were a high | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
flyer, you could have been the woman in the Justice Department. | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
I'm not a lawyer. You could be one of the women who, were there to be | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
making changes N the law, changes in attitudes. More than you even | :30:58. | :31:06. | |
have done so far? Well, think, luckily you're not limit speaking | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
out by sitting in a parliamentary seat. The way David handled the | :31:12. | :31:18. | |
difficult resignation, gives him credit. He supported women in | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
Parliament. Do you think you were able to push the envelope, with | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
younger female MPs. I remember when you came on, and it was interesting, | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
because it was unusual to have a young Conservative, we were talking | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
about nextism so openly, did you contribute to the attitude no | :31:34. | :31:40. | |
changes I hope so. I'm not alone. There's Claire Perry, and a whole | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
bunch of Tory women, very many, women, Tory feminists who self- | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
identify as feminists, that's the important thing, to say nextism is | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
not about the right or the left. Femism is about women. And there | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
are people who support the nextist role across the political spectrum. | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
If we debt that across that's a good thing. On your decision, to go, | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
it is come plicate, but is it possible to have a senior role in | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
politics and raise a family? Absolutely, in my case, it wasn't | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
about having it all or children, as I said the Prime Minister supported | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
flexible working and made that happen in my case. My circumstances | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
are unique, it was more about a family that was split across the | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
Atlantic and strains of doing that, more than a working mother. The | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
Prime Minister has backed women and will continue to do so. Will you | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
ever return to front line politics again? Never say never, but I have | :32:32. | :32:40. | |
a lot on my plate right now. As on the Polly Peck tycoon, whose name | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
was synonymous with the get rich fast will be sentenced tomorrow of | :32:45. | :32:55. | |
:32:55. | :32:55. | ||
ten charges of theft, between 1987 and 1990, amounting to 61.8 million | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
today. His conviction is the end of a fraud office investigation, which | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
had stalled when Nadir fled the country, two years ago, he returned | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
voluntarily to Britain, promising to clear his name. | :33:07. | :33:17. | |
:33:17. | :33:22. | ||
We look back at an extraordinary He was the astonishingly successful | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
millionaire businessman. Whose FTSE 100 company was brought crashing | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
down by an investigation, that's taken over 20 years to complete. | :33:32. | :33:40. | |
Throughout that time, Asil Nadir protested his innocence. There was | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
gross totally, gross conduct of the graveest kind in this whole affair. | :33:47. | :33:53. | |
Now, it's finally ended in his conviction. The Serious Fraud | :33:53. | :34:03. | |
:34:03. | :34:03. | ||
Office's long pursuit of Asil Nadir has been vindicated. 19 80s was the | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
get rich quick decade and no-one got richer, quicker than Asil Nadir. | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
Starting in the rag trade in 1980, he made an investment, that was to | :34:13. | :34:23. | |
:34:23. | :34:30. | ||
He paid nearly �300,000 for a stake in a small textile company, called | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
Polly Peck. As it expended he devoured more and more companies, | :34:34. | :34:43. | |
:34:44. | :34:44. | ||
by the end of the decade, Polly Peck had00 subridries - | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
subsidiaries, and he was a donor to the Conservative Party. By the end | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
of the decade, Polly Peck was one of the leading FTSE 100 companies. | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
But things started to fall spectacularly apart for Asil Nadir | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
when the Serious Fraud Office, raided his offices in Mayfair. They | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
were investigating allegations of insider trading and that triggered | :35:09. | :35:17. | |
the collapse of Polly Peck A very public raid, the newspapers there. | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
With inknew when doe, they create a cloud of you. Rl which is very | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
damaging. Confidence in any company, doesn't matter which company it is, | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
it could be a massive bank or anything else, it can have | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
devastating effect. The September 1990 raid was followed by a | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
shocking series of events x The next day, the Polly Peck share | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
price collapsed. The following month the company went into | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
administration. Then the SFO raided Polly Peck's headquarters, and in | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
December, Asil Nadir was arrested in dramatic circumstances as he | :35:57. | :36:05. | |
arrived back in London on the private jet. There was a massive | :36:05. | :36:15. | |
arrest procedure with dozens of armed surrounding the plane. | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
Ridiculous affair, and I was arrested, taken to holborn place | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
station x It was a catastrophic fall from grace for Asil Nadir who | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
was charged with theft and false accounting on a massive scale. | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
the company collapsed, shareholders, individuals and corporates lost a | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
huge amount of money, various people lost their jobs as well, | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
when PPI collapsed. As far as the reputation of London is concerned | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
as a financial centre, if that sort of thing can occur, it damages our | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
reputation. A mother with five young children, who had used her | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
savings to buy several thousands pounds worth of Polly Peck stock | :37:03. | :37:10. | |
was caught completely by surprise. I had a brilliant annual report | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
from the accountants which gave you no reason to think they would be | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
bad in any way, that it would suddenly go broke. Then a few days | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
later, complete collapse. investigation was run by the | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
Serious Fraud Office which was set up a few years earlier, because of | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
the failure to deal with the wave of financial scannedals. Its | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
reputation was to be severely tested during the pursuit of Nadir. | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
He was accused of zaeling �150 million 348 from Polly Peck's | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
accounts, obviously routeing it vaia the Channel Islands and | :37:50. | :37:57. | |
complex web of companies which the Nadir family controlled. The | :37:57. | :38:04. | |
prosecution said he used 25 million to buy thousands of shares to prop | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
up the price, and 25 million went into family trusts. Then trfs the | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
vanity projects. Stolen money helped buy this 17th century estate | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
in Rutland. He planned to turn in into a gox course. This stately | :38:19. | :38:28. | |
home in Leicestershire, which he bought for himself. After PPI | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
collapsed, the administrators, went to northern Cyprus, to attempt to | :38:31. | :38:41. | |
recover the cash, but found only a black hole. Did you steal that | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
money? Absolutely not. It makes you wonder, a man worth hundreds of | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
millions of pounds, spending dozens of millions of millions of pounds | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
on charity. What motive does he have, for God sake to actually | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
steal money? You steal money from an enterity you created yourself? | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
Absolutely not. In 1993, with his trial date approaching, he decided | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
to flee the UK. Asking a pilot friend to drive him to this remote | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
airfield in Dorset. We came right up to this gate, left the car where | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
it was, walked through, the engines were Turkish r turning the door was | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
open, within 35 seconds we were air borne. The SFO had let the man at | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
the centre of one of the biggest ever fraud trials, slip will you | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
its fingers. And they had no prospect of getting | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
him back. The Turkishish control part of the | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
island has no extradition treaty with the UK for 17 years he lived | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
there, beyond the reach of UK law. With Nadir out of the country, | :39:56. | :40:05. | |
serious questions about the SFO's conduct continued. | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
Tory Government minister, Michael Mates was concerned about the | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
taking and copying of the SFO of legally privileged defence papers, | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
belonging to Asil Nadir. But he was forced to resign, when it was | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
revealed after Nadir's arrest, he'd sent him a watch, engraved with the | :40:22. | :40:29. | |
words "don't let the bugers get you down". In an explosive resignation | :40:29. | :40:37. | |
speech, he lambasted the SFO. God, it is all coming back. Do you | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
remember it. Is it pain snfl This is the moment I was absolutely | :40:43. | :40:51. | |
disturbed, I was in despair. If one cannot come to the House, | :40:51. | :40:59. | |
and tell them what is wrong with the system... If one cannot speak | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
in this place, not about innocence or guilt, not about trial, not | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
about subduediesity, but what has gone wrong with the system, then | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
Madame speaker, what is the point of being here It is after the trial | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
the honourable gentlemen must give this information, that is the point. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
The SFO's case controller, was disciplined ost cop ig and | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
distribution of the legally privilegeed defence papers, seized | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
in the 1990 raid on Nadir's office. And for failing to fully Brave the | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
then Attorney General. That's enough. But the judge in Nadir's | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
trial, ruled that her conduct, didn't affect the fairness of the | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
trial. The former President of northern Cyprus, who spoke to us | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
shortly before his death last year. He revealed how soon after Nadir | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
arrived back, he was asked by a member of the British Government to | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
have him arrested. I was shocked. I said, under my | :42:06. | :42:14. | |
constitution, he has committed no offence here. We cannot deport a | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
subject. And I cannot arrest a man just because you request it. I'm | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
really shocked. He was shocked. a way I said, well I haven't heard | :42:28. | :42:34. | |
this, forget it. Speculation about why he'd return to Britain remains. | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
But in January, after 20 years of investigations, arrests, claims and | :42:40. | :42:47. | |
counter claims, the trial of Asil Nadir finally got under way. | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
Wearing an electronic tag and bodyguards in tow, he arrived at | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
the Old Bailey. His liberty and reputation of the serious faued | :42:56. | :43:05. | |
office from on the line. A Dad's Army of former board directors, | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
financial expert, police officers, and others, would give evidence of | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
event that happened two decades earlier, leading to the raid on | :43:14. | :43:22. | |
Polly Peck. At his plush officeness Mayfair, Nadir ran things with an | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
autocratic management style. Under a single signatory system he was | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
able to move company money without any other board member having to | :43:30. | :43:37. | |
countersign. Nadir never dispute he moved Polly Peck's money out of | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
accounts in London. His defence to this complex fraud was very simple | :43:42. | :43:49. | |
- it was all about how business was done in Cyprus, back in those days. | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
As Nadir always said that, before he took any money from the company | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
in London, he'd always deposited equivalent amounts of money into | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
company bank accounts here in northern Cyprus. So there could | :44:00. | :44:08. | |
never have been any theft. The justification for that, was that | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
Polly Peck in northern Cyprus needed large amounts of the local | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
currency, Turkishish leera, and his family, and in particular his | :44:16. | :44:26. | |
:44:26. | :44:27. | ||
Under cross-examination, Asil Nadir was asked repeatedly if he could | :44:27. | :44:34. | |
provide evidence of the massive deposits of Turkishish lira. He | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
said it was cuss tum to keep vast stores of cash in secure rooms in | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
wealthy houses and not keep records of the deposits. Defence witnesses | :44:44. | :44:50. | |
spoke about ferrying suitcases full of cash to banks. It would have | :44:50. | :44:57. | |
been brought in by her security guards, plural, but, even then, we | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
think inheritly probably you have a nx security guards going down the | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
street with a number of wheeled suitcases containing these vast | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
amount of cash. The jury agreed. Their verdict, finally delivered | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
just fis for the victims of the collapse of Polly Peck. | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
But that's not quite how Asil Nadir sees it. | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
Something in the region of 70 or 80,000 people lost their jobs, as a | :45:24. | :45:31. | |
result of the downfall of Polly Peck. Shareholders lost billions, | :45:31. | :45:38. | |
of pounds, how do you feel about that? Well, all I have to do is | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
remind you, that I was the biggest shareholder, I was the creator of | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
the company. So in a funny way, I've been the biggest loser in this | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
affair. Tomorrow morning's front affair. Tomorrow morning's front | :45:54. | :46:04. | |
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page now, we begin the w the Sun Harry naked romp was sensation says | :46:07. | :46:14. | |
the Daily Mirror. Telegraph, and picture of Harry, in Los Angeles, | :46:14. | :46:20. | |
hours after the pictures went on- line. The palace moved to ban naked | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
photographs, the Prince confirmed they've spoke ton the complaints | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
commission. On the left hand side hups of schools face axe as GCSE | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
grades stall. The right to die campaigner, finds a victory in | :46:36. | :46:43. | |
death. The Guardian, class divide in | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
health widens, and Tories under pressure. Well that is all from | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
Newsnight tonight. The Russian media reported today that sipgel, | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
Sarah Brightman is in talks to become the eighth space tourist to | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
visit the International Space Station. We find archive of her, | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
that might explain why she's so keen to go. | :47:03. | :47:13. | |
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# I lost my heart to a star ship trooper | :47:26. | :47:36. | |
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Prospects for the weekend don't look Rosie. Thursday morning dawns | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
on a bright cheerful note. Cloud will thicken and we'll see rain | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
arriving. Before that happens across the heart of the Midlands | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
the sunshine will hang on in the afternoon. This is 4.00, a bright | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
prospect for most, the London area, certainly. Koofl at 21-22 degrees. | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
Further west, the cloud will be increasing, filling the sky and | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
producing a few showers across the West Country and Wales not a | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
washout, but will be getting cloudier and damper in some places, | :48:12. | :48:22. | |
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will you the second half of the day. It won't feel that warm out there | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
either. Dampness filling in to south-west Scotland. Further east | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
and north, it will abbrighter prospect. | :48:30. | :48:38. | |
Long last, the heavy rain will fade away. Friday, it looks particularly | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
wet. Not a pleasant toned the week. Gusty winds, particularly down | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
towards English Channel coast. Low pressure, approaching our | :48:47. | :48:51. |