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Tonight: Two decades of exam inflation ends - a revolution in | :00:10. | :00:20. | |
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England's classroom begins. GCSE results fall for the first time. | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
Teachers cry foul. Somebody made a decision, I guess a political | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
decision to alter the grade boundary. The can exam regulator | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
say the exams are fair, we'll discuss how far the shakeup of | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
education should go. Is the Leveson ceasefire over? The last few | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
minutes, News International says it will publish the nude pictures of | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Prince Harry tomorrow. We'll have live reaction. The South African | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
struggle for workers,' freedoms goes on, as the country remembers | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
the shootings that killed 44. TRANSLATION: Living here with my | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
husband was better. Now, I don't know how will I cope without my | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
husband. We ask if enough has changed, 18 years after apartheid | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
ended. It is shocking and disgraceful. That is the biggest | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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massacre since then, and we're ashamed to be South Africans. | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
good evening. The Education Secretary, thinks GCSE grade | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
inflation is bad. Exam grades deflate for the first time in two | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
decades. What, the exam question might have read is the connection | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
between the two statements? This afternoon, Michael Gove denied he | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
put political pressure on the exam boards and the head of the | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
independent regulator, Ofqual backed him up. Why then are schools | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
across the country voicing the same message of anguish, the grades are | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
marked down as a result of political manipulation, or was the | :02:08. | :02:18. | |
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entire school of 2012 enept or # It's magic # | :02:26. | :02:33. | |
. Since the GCSE came in, in the late 80s, grades had been going | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
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But today, the morning the music stopped. Sheffield is one of | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
England's divided cities when it comes to wealth and education. | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
David Bows is this charge of two different schools. Both becoming | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
academies, results improved this year, but there was a sour edge. | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
is depressing, that all of that hard work has gone in, and for some | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
youngsters, that critical grade, a C grade has just not been achieved, | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
not through dint of their work and application, but because somebody | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
made a decision, I guess a political decision, to alter the | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
grade boundary. This is tap ton, the school he led in an of fluent | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
area, it has the best results in the city. This year's is not what | :03:27. | :03:35. | |
they hoped for. English is down. got passness everything, but I got | :03:35. | :03:44. | |
a D English, so toif retake it next year. It is annoying that, Philip | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
has A stars, Bs and C in English literature, and we have predicted | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
him for C in English language and we know he passed with a C on the | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
written component but the control assessment, speaking and listening, | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
he has been graded down, so the overall grade is now a D, which is, | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
annoying, I think, is what we both say. The complaint from tap ton is | :04:08. | :04:18. | |
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a common one, after years of grades going up, the regulator, off quell, | :04:18. | :04:28. | |
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- Ofqual, said if grades rose, it would have to be compared. They | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
said "we are confident that standards have been maintained and | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
that the grades awarded are right. The performance required to achieve | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
each grade is the same as last year". The Education Secretary, | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
said he played no role. decision whether or not particular | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
marks should be awarded and particular grades should be awarded | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
is a matter for exam boards. I don't interfere, or put pressure on | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
the regulator, I make it clear to the regulator, it is important to | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
maintain standards, and how that's done is a decision for the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
regulator and exam boards and I like previous secretaries of state, | :05:06. | :05:13. | |
properly, leave it to them. That's not the way it looks to teachers | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
here, they say pupils need more marks for the same grades. | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
submitted a classroom based element of the course, assumeing it would | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
achieve a certain level of grades, so for example, a student who we | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
thought with a C grade candidate, we would put their mark in, agreed | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
a markss, but they've depressed the boundaries, which means the student | :05:34. | :05:44. | |
has now achieved a D overall. Celebrations, at ch school N less | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
advantageed, bright side, with compared to last year, the grades | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
are better. This year's results have come as a shock to many, after | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
years of ever rising GCSE grades. It is not just a setback for the | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
individual students, these results can can have serious itch cases for | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
schools, and their future. After rising for years, the proportion of | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
students getting five good GCSEs, including English and maths is | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
likely to fall. Last year the Government said each school needed | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
35% of the students to achieve this. Now, that's 40% and it is going to | :06:25. | :06:35. | |
rise to 50%, by 2015. Chauser, just missed this year's target. Itch the | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
proportion of passes and top grades, is going to be fairly stat | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
particular, so, what does that mean, for schools like Chauser, do you | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
think, which are trying to reach this floor target? Well, it simply | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
means, if that's what they have decided to do, then we will know | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
that. And we will do our utmost to make sure that every youngster is | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
able to be successful. If this year is the model for the future, only a | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
certain proportion of students will ever pass or get top grades. | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
Familiar to anyone, who sat O- levels, foreign to today's students. | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
Everyone should be able to get an A, if they wanted it. They might put | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
effort in, if they get a C, they may be underachieving. Many will | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
welcome the end of rising GCSE grades, saying values been restored | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
to the key qualification. But some schools and teachers are asking | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
questions about exactly how that has been achieved. Sancha Berg | :07:39. | :07:46. | |
there, earlier I put some of the allegation toss Glenys Stacey Chief | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
Executive of Ofqual. Yes. We've had a solid set of exam | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
results today and students should be proud of their results, very | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
proud indeed. Would you like to commiserate with the students who | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
have been shocked with what they've seen today and fear political | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
manipulation? There are a few things I'd like to say about that. | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
The first thing is I represent Ofqual, we're independent regulator, | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
established by Parliament. Parliament established Ofqual to | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
make sure results wouldn't be politically manipulated and it is | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
our job that standards are right and qualifications are right, and | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
that's what you've seen happening this year and last year, at A-level | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
and GCSE. What I'd say for students, that results have been remained | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
steady. For most qualifications of GCSE results, they've stayed the | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
same because qualifications have been comparable and the student mix | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
has been the same. But we have seen, particular changes in GCSE science | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
and in English. Wait a second, we've seen 24 years, | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
consecretaryively of grade inflation, and now that is | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
reversed? Has nothing happened? I say, there is an independent | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
regulator now, looking closely to make sure results are right, and | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
you're seeing our work Playout. We started this work in 2009, and 2010, | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
and so on. What you're seeing at GCSE is a full set, if you like, | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the suite of GCSE results coming to fruition. You think these are the | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
royalty grades? Right grades, absolutely. Did Michael Gove | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
express his concern over grade inflation? Michael Gove expressed | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
publicly his exasperation of grade inflation, I never had a | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
conversation about him about it, I never raise it had with him and him | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
with me. I'm sure he and others understand the regulator. Did he | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
was the controversial with the colleagues? I'll say this one more | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
time, Ofqual is an independent regulator, established by | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
Parliament to make sure that standards are right, and what you | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
are seeing is an independent regulator, doing the right job and | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
making sure qualifications are right and grades are right and | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
everyone, I hope will begin to have a confidence in that. Does it not | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
strike you that Michael Gove says grades must go down, and grades do | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
go down, and there's no link at all? I can't speak on behalf of the | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
Education Secretary. But what I can do is speak on paf of Ofqual, what | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
we have done is looked at the pattern of grades, over the last 20 | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
years, and we can see as can others, including researchers, it is hard | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
to see adjust fiebl reason, for that continueed pattern. So, we've | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
worked with assessment experts to understand that as well as we can, | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
and develop the best approach to making sure we can ensure the right | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
results, this year, last year and next year, and every year. What do | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
you say to the schools they believe their grades have fallen off a | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
cliff? What we're seeing in grades is that for most subjects, grades | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
remaipd steady, in some suggests grades increased but we know | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
reasons why. We're seeing particular changes at GCSE, science | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
and English, and we know the reasons why, but those changes, are | :11:09. | :11:17. | |
about 2% of grade C for science, and 1.5% of grade C for English. | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
They are not Seismic shifts. some schools English is marked down | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
by 10%. Is that nothing to do with the way it is marked? You are | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
hearing some head teachers that's the case, but there are many | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
schools result have improved and we're seeing evidence of that as | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
well. We're seeing 1.5% shift overall for the reasons I've been | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
complaining. But it will Playout differently, school by school, | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
depending on their mix of students and readiness for the qul at the | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
case and assessment. So it is the schools' fault? It is not as simple | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
as that, as you know. What they are seeing is regulator is making sure | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
that exam boards are consist nant the way they look at these and | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
produce the right result and work with their examiners to set the | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
best grade boundaries they've K on the evidence they can. Next year, | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
will you be expecting more grade deinflation? Our job is to make | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
sure standards are set and standards are maintained. That's | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
what we've done. Last year, and this year, and that's what we'll | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
certainly be doing next year. Talking to me earlier. Which ever | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
way you look at it, and whatever actually happened, today's halting | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
of the penen national grade inflation is welcome news foreign | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
aeed case secretary, who stated he wanted the GCSE system reformed. | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
What's the big plan for education of this Government? And are they | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
with to realise it? Here is David Grossman. | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
How do you explain the drop in the GCSE pass rates? Lovely to see you. | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
Michael Gove refuse toss play the usual role of Education Secretary | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
on results day. To be fair, he said he wouldn't. | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
One of the things you won't get me doing is what previous Labour | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
secretary did, looking at the results and saying what a good boy | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
I am. These are risen, I'm doing the right thing, aren't I wonderful. | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
The achievements of the children on the ground became debased. This | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
chimes what some employers report. They may have the piece of paper, | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
but when they're taken on and try to do tasks which require basic | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
numeracy and literacy skills they just can't do that, and therefore, | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
it is not very good for the employer. It is certainly not good | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
for the young person. Here at the Department for Education, Michael | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
Gove is attempting something of a revolution. Trying to smash what he | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
calls "the cozy cartel made up of teachers, exam boards, education | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
officials and yes, even in the past, ministers". Who together have all | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
conspired to pretend that standards are rising faster than they | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
actually are. We must now "be prepared for results to fall" he | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
said. And fall they will, as changes to the way school | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
achievement is measureed begin to kick in. For example Labour | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
compared secondary schools on the basis of how many pupils passed | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
five GCSEs A start to C grade or equivalent. It was those words or | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
equivalent that critics say debauched the measure, more and | :14:32. | :14:41. | |
more qul fae cases, such as horse care or nail technology or fish | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
husbandry were equivalent to multiple GCSE, despite the fact | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
employers saw them nothing of the kind. To many schools they were an | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
easy route up the league tables. Michael Gove has slashed the number | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
of the so-called, equivalent courses, from well over 3,000 to a | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
few more than 100. In their place, put a far tougher measure of school | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
attainment, one that Mr Gove says will reward schools that encourage | :15:07. | :15:15. | |
students to take the subjects that both employers and universitys, | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
value. It is called the English baccalaureate, it is a measure of | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
how many students get GCSE grade C or better, in the academic core | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
subjects. They need English, mathematics, history or George fee, | :15:29. | :15:39. | |
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Another big change is in schools schools' inspection. Here is Sir | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
Michael Wiltshire. He changed the regime. No longer with the third of | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
four grades be called "satisfactory". Instayed it will | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
said "requires improvement. Sir Michael ditched the 21 inspection | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
criteria, that included such categories, whether a schools | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
provision met local employment needs or contributed to community | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
cohesion, and instead, schools will now be measureed on just four | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
categories, achievement, teaching, leader, and behaviour. Michael Gove | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
has taken steps to end what he calls "cull fewer of competitive | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
dumbing down". The schools want to get as many pupils through the | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
exams and hunt out the easiest exam boards. The exam boards need for | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
their profits, to attract as many schools to their exams as possible | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
and so, offer easier and easier exams. It is he says, a race for | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
the bottom. So much so he is seriously considering scrapping | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
GCSEs altogether and their replacement, the Mayor of London | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
says, we should call them Gove levels. Joining me to discuss this | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
S Lisa Freedman who runs a schools advisory service, and whose son got | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
the results today. Joan McVittie, President of Association of School | :17:08. | :17:15. | |
and College Leaders, wood side school, described by Gove as one of | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
his favourites, Tony Ryan and Rachel Wolf former adviser to | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
Michael Gove. Very nice of you all to come in. | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
Thanks for joining us. Joan, does your school feel like one of | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
Michael Gove's favourites after what you've seen today. It didn't | :17:30. | :17:38. | |
feel like it, for some of my students today, particularly on the | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
C/ D boundary. Some students anticipated they would pick up a C, | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
and didn't, ended up with a D. they wrong to anticipate the C? Had | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
they had their expectations, unfairly raised? Not at all. The | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
students could take the exam in January. And he could actually pull | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
down their GCSE at that point. If they pulled it down at that point, | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
they had a C grade. They took the same exam in January, and could | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
leave pulling the grade until June, which some students did, and | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
pulling down on the same figures, actually then achieved a lower | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
grade. Same students, same exam, same time. Was your experience to | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
that similar? Very similar. We dropped in English, by 11% on | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
preDicks. And my English department, are one of the best I ever worked | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
with. I trust their predictions. This year was not abnormal in terms | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
of the quality you're teaching. we work to a system and don't | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
arrange the system or organise it, we get the system, we work to it, | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
and get the best results we can for the students. I have about 25 | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
students who expected to get a C grade today who didn't. Do you | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
think your pupils this year were used as political pawns, or ended | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
up as? It is hard to see why students across the country, and I | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
think, probably, you're looking at 600 schools, maybe more, I had a | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
controversial, pickaxeel is an improvement group with 25 schools, | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
we know there's over 100 schools affected by this, this is 2,000 | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
students who expected C grades and were probably right to expect C | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
grades who haven't got them now. This will affect their future. I | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
have no problem with changing the system, but give us time to work | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
with it, don't spring it on us. are an advocate of what Michael | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
Gove is thinking about. What do you make of what you're hearing? | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
don't know what happened this year, but the current examination system | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
isn't working. We have to recognise one of the reasons we have an exam | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
system is to distinguish between pupils. If you have a system where | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
every year, higher and higher per cent at that stage of pupils are | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
getting higher grades, and employers are distinguished between | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
them, that's difficult. This is becoming unbelieveably tough labour | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
market and incredibly competitive one. We're competing with people | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
overseas, and whether or not we're giving the grades, they are coming | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
out and saying they're not working they're not qualified, we have to | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
change something. You don't know what happened this year? Tony and | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
Joan are not disagreeing, with what your bigger point is. You don't | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
know what happened this year? of us know what happened this year. | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
Obviously we've heard from Ofqual, saying they're independent. I don't | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
know, I don't know I don't work for the Government. In the long-term we | :20:48. | :20:57. | |
have to change. We're talking about 11% drops, at Tony's school and | :20:57. | :21:05. | |
we're talking about C/ D boundaries, which is confusing, do you not | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
think none is deliberate? I don't know, I have not been involved in | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
the system and it is wrong for me to comment. We recognise in the | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
lormer term these things need to be fixed. I don't think there should | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
be GCSE, I'm Canadian, my son spent all summer with his Canadian | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
cousins of course were not sitting exams last year, wasting their time. | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
Our school leaving age will rise, next year, and in two years' time, | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
everybody will leave school or full time education, at the age of 18. | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
Why we have four years of public exams, wasting public money, | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
causing stress to children, to teachers, to schools, disruption, | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
it is a completely lunatic system. I'm not going to embarrass you, but | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
your son got Stella grades, is that a waste of time? From his point of | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
view, I don't think they produce, first of all, he could have been, | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
as he said to me, I spent the whole of my summer terms doing exams. | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
would scrap the GCSE for what? don't see why you need an exam. The | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
Canadianss, who perform better, do not have exams, in year 11. Why | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
would you have exams in year 11. Would you be radical? I can give | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
awe quick answer, this country there, are a huge number of schools, | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
that run from 11-16, unless you have a measure at 16, as they | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
believe those schools, then, really, children could go through, without | :22:39. | :22:47. | |
making progress. Do you not believe teacher assessment is OK. Do you | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
not believe your own teachers can make a legitimate and valid, | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
external assessment, without the Government intervening. Absolutely, | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
there is a portion of GCSE which they do their coursework, et cetera. | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
But they need an external benchmark, otherwise they would not be picked | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
up by employers. Is this a move away from the GCSE, | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
towards an O-level or something of the nature. Is that where it is | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
going? One of the interesting things we've seen with the Free | :23:19. | :23:26. | |
Schools, a significant proportion are not doing GCSE. They're looking | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
at partly because employers and parents are saying, they're | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
increasingly, placing more value on alternative qualifications, because | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
it is tougher and more rigorous, rather than putting kids that | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
independent schools and people choose not doing, we have to make | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
sure it is good for all communities. Essentially, you have to start | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
differentiating a tough labour market for the people who are | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
extremely capable and those cruiseing? I don't think any head | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
teacher would argue with that. You can't have 4 years of grade | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
inflation and keep going. There has to come a time, you cap it, and we | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
want the creme de la creme to the top and get the A grades. This year | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
a mistake has been made. If this leads to more schools put in a | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
position, where they might be deemed as failing, that is turned | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
into academy stayed tus or special measures concerns, is that such a | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
bad sning Is it a bad thing that schools are put in that category, | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
every school is seeking to improve. I don't think any school is not | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
seeking to improve. My concern today is a mistake has been made | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
there. Are 2,000, plus students across the country, and that | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
mistake needs to be addressed. Moving forward is a different | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
debate. It is these students I'm concerned about. It this year took | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
a hit for wider, more important reform S that worth it? This is the | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
start of a real, look at education, now we need to take a look at those | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
schools that are close to failing or failing, and sort them out? | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
agree, with proposals on rigour, no issues with that, and if we change | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
the system, fine. But we need opportunity to work towards that, | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
and ensure that children, are on a level playing field. The big issue, | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
is if the outcome of this is we have more failing schools, I can | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
tell you, there will be no head teachers or teachers who will want | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
to be recruited in the schools. Any schools siting to the close 40% | :25:33. | :25:41. | |
mark, you won't be able to recaut a head teacher. What about the sense, | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
Michael Gove has a cozy flawed system, when you have uens, | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
teachers, politicians all seeing grades rise, every year, search | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
happy, nobody changes the system? do think the reason they've risen | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
is because we have far better teachers, better qualifications, in | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
terms of the training for the techchaers and children who are | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
more motivated. We have to recognise that, that's what we've | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
seen the changes over the years. Thank you all very much. Now the | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
past few minutes, News International said it will publish | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
the naked pictures of Prince Harry, in the Vegas hotel room, tomorrow. | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
Most people will have checked them out on the internet by now, so it | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
is deliberate message of come kind. But what, two fingers up to the | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
Leveson Inquiry, or palace who tried to ban them, or boost | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
circulation figures. The managing editor of the News International | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
gave his reason for publishing the reasons? For us it is about the | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
freedom of the press. This is about the ludicrous situation, where a | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
picture can be seen by hundreds of millions of people around the world | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
on the internet but can't be seen in the nation's favourite paper, | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
read by 8 million people every day. That was the managing editor of the | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
News of the World speaking earlier. We have Kelvin MacKenzie. | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
And, we've Chris Black does Hurst from the independent. Kelvin, | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
presumably, you would have done the same thing, would you? Funnily, | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
enough, I would have done it yesterday not today. Why do you | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
think he waited? I don't know, I should imagine, if-in- the end of | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
the day, the picture like that, can't have been published without | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
Rupert Murdoch getting involved. The issues are too large and | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
controversial, and I salute Rupert for not being coward by effectively | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
the establishment on this issue. Labour MP said, the Sun's made a | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
grave mistake printing the pictures, wanted to know if they paid the | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
pictures and questioned the public interest case. Do you think they | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
paid the pictures? Well, I doubt whether they paid for the pictures | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
myself, because all around the world, the pictures have been | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
published. And they were just taken off the website. Fortunately, | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
America is known as the land of the free, which is the opposite | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
position of the UK uction where you're starting to get prime | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
ministers, like Cameron, wheeling out judges like Leveson and | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
Parliament, who want to gang up exclusively on newspapers, in the | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
UK. Whereas readers in every other part of the world, and on every | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
website in the world, including major news organisations like CNN | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
have been published these pictures for the last 36 hours. It really is | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
shocking. I'm unsure, why the establishment hate newspapers so | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
much. But what I'd like to see is editors get off their knees, and | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
start pushing back against the curtailments in what will | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
eventually, I promise you, lead to the closure of newspapers. If | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
Prince Harry with no clothes on N a Las Vagas hotel room, surrounded by | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
one naked woman anyway and a load of other people, he met in a | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
drinking striping game, it is not a story, then it is hard to know what | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
is. And people should stop worrying about privacy and start worrying | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
about what free speech will mean to the country, if the Leveson, and | :29:29. | :29:36. | |
Camerons, have their way. You are on your knees,? I am on my knees, | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
we've taken the decision from the very off we're not going to publish | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
these pictures. They were taken in a private place, private party. We | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
thought there was an issue of privacy, and that's where we are. | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
guess you could say the Independent would always have taken that | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
decision, and the Sun might always have taken the others. Kelvin is | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
right to the respect if this isn't a tabloid newspaper story, then | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
what is? He's right, yes, we are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
there's no question about that. What I say, is look, here is a | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
young man, he's done nothing wrong, nothing illegal that we know of. He | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
wasn't wearing a Nazi uniform, and not that shocking pictures, | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
actually. He's with friends having a party, it's a private thing. He | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
didn't think it was going to be photographed. He was doing what a | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
lot of Sun readers do on stag parties and don't expect to be on | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
the front page of the morning's papers. I haven't seen the | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
editorial in the paper, but do you think there will be a moral, a | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
judgment, being made by the Sun, do you dislike Harry, disapprove of | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
this? No. They made it is quite clear, the managing director, made | :30:51. | :30:59. | |
it clear, that the Sun, like probably 99.9% of this country, | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
really likes Prince Harry. They don't give a damn about this kind | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
of thing. He's basically the Boris Johnson of the Royal family and | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
people enjoy his humour and like his party-loving. But getting a | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
tackle out, in front of a rather surprised, I suspect, American | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
guests who he never met before, actually I suspect crosses the line. | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
I'm not trying to make a moral judgment, but, it is bizarre. He is | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
a massively famous and powerful person, and on that basis it is a | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
story. It is a story under all circumstances and one of the | :31:36. | :31:42. | |
reasons why, the Independent isn't doing as well as the Sun is its | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
decision not to publish pictures, not under your expert editorship. | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
You know what it is like to lose popularity. If this loses the Sun a | :31:51. | :32:00. | |
lot of popular readers, will it have been worth it? Well, I suspect | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
that it certainly wornt have the Hillsborough, effect if that's the | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
point you're making and it will abone-day wonder. Next week, it | :32:09. | :32:16. | |
will be fish and chips, accept for a load of politically motivated MPs, | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
who fancy appearing on Newsnight. There's no such thing as fish and | :32:22. | :32:29. | |
chips, because everything stays on the internet. Would you expect the | :32:29. | :32:36. | |
palace to treat this with rig gor, the press complaints at this point? | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
They were saying please don't run these pictures. Do you think that's | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
made it worse? I would have thought that's not the wiseest thing for | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
them to have done, it haes made an issue of press versus the palace. | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
One thing I disagree S because it is on the internet and people seen | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
it, therefore we owe it to our readers to see it. What I say S | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
there's a lot of material on the internet, that people can freely | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
see, which no newspaper, not even the Sun, would ever dream of | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
printing. That's a speechless argument. What would be your | :33:11. | :33:17. | |
message then, to the Sun as it stands? Is that just about dying | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
circulation figures? No they've made a mistake this morning. I'm | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
puzzleed why, what's change fred today, from tomorrow, rather than | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
this morning. The story hasn't advanced. What did happen, is they | :33:31. | :33:38. | |
had an intern take her clothes off, she Z she was photographing one of | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
their employees, and that was on the front page, I thought that was | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
mocked up and tawdry, so, tomorrow, they've gone and published the real | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
thing. It has to be about sales. It has to | :33:51. | :33:57. | |
be, I suspect that rue port Murdoch got involved. He's in no mood what | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
the establishment are saying. Labour MPs, are going to stop | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
Murdoch, that's the last thing that will stop him right now. Not just | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
Labour MPs, but is this a big two fingers up to Leveson do you think? | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
I hope so. I certainly hope so, because it is | :34:14. | :34:21. | |
about time somebody did. I find, Leveson, gut-churning, in most | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
respects. I hated him when he said I hoped the Leveson effect wouldn't | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
end with the end of his tribunal. And actually, I wish more people | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
had stuck their fingers up to him, and I salute Rupert to do that. | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
Even if a 27-year-old lad, who is having fun, not doing any harm, | :34:44. | :34:50. | |
becomes the victim of that? Well, it is not unwitting victim. You | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
know, he must realise, that with his rather important role as a | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
Prince of our country, and he's number three on the throne, he has | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
to carry various responsibilities with him, which I suspect a young | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
producer on Newsnight wouldn't have. To find equivalence between him and | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
the guy down on the Dough and Duck who has been extra two pints of | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
strong bow is right. He knows when he walks warned bodyguards and when | :35:21. | :35:29. | |
he gets performance at the Olympics, he knows, I would be grateful if he | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
stopped getting his tackle out. ran out of time just at that moment. | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
As South Africa mourned hits dead miners, victims of a crackdown of | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
forces, after a industrial action, President Jacod Zuma set out terms | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
for a judicial inquiry. It began as demand of wage increases for those | :35:49. | :35:56. | |
doing deadly work, but now it is a turf war, simic of a country deeply | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
ill at ease and request for workers freedoms, 18 years after apartheid. | :36:02. | :36:12. | |
:36:12. | :36:13. | ||
After the killings and bitter recriminations, time to remember | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
the dead. This morning, in an enormous | :36:18. | :36:28. | |
:36:28. | :36:28. | ||
marquee, set up beside shacks, all sides came together at last. | :36:28. | :36:35. | |
Nandipha Guniza lost her husband four weeks ago. Across the aisle, | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
ANC minister, Collins Chabane whose committee on the tragedy organised | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
this event. Here the minister of police, and the outspoken Bishop of | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
preteara, who has been trying to broker an toned the strike, which a | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
volatile situation which police and miners accrues each other of | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
violence. Two policemen were among ten others killed, during a feud | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
between rifle mining unions. Originally, there were to be two | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
rival memorial services, one official event attended by the mine | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
owners and Government and second service, organised by the striking | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
miners themselves. The two sides have been brought together, after | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
last-minute negotiations involving senior clergy. A rare and welcome | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
sign of unity in a community bitterly divided since the killings | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
here last week. This is where the 24 miners were killed, close to the | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
service. They came, charging down from that | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
rocky outcrop towards the police lines. What happened next was the | :37:34. | :37:44. | |
:37:44. | :37:46. | ||
most bloodiest security operation, It's clear from the pictures that | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
police opened fire with assault rifles, but it is hard tore tell | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
whether the miners had guns and traditional weapons like machetes. | :37:55. | :38:02. | |
Where in the world, have you seen people confronting the police. | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
Remember, we lost policemen, a lot of people have been killed by the | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
instruments. There's nothing traditional about the spear, when | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
you are facing into your eyes. So, ANC the commission will | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
revolutionise things, what went wrong, who was wrong, who was right. | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
These are killings that shocked South Africa. Bishop of preteara | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
and President of South African councils. It was the bloodiest | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
operation since apartheid. What does it mean for South Africa? | :38:36. | :38:44. | |
is shocking, and disgraceful. That is the biggest misker and we're all | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
ashamed to be South Africans. Miners come to Marikana, in the | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
platinum belt of the north west Province from all ofrt country and | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
beyond, simply because there is work. Though there are complaints | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
about conditions and wages. Rock drillers earn less than �100 a week, | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
and are on strike because they want that tripleed. Nandipha Guniza came | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
from the Eastern Cape, far from the south to follow her husband, a rock | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
driller shot dead last week. She lives in one room W a young son and | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
two week old baby. TRANSLATION: My husband was there | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
and wanted a living wage. Because they were underpaid by the mines, | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
and they are working through difficult conditions. What are you | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
going to do now? TRANSLATION: Living here with my | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
husband was better. Now, I don't know how will I cope without my | :39:46. | :39:55. | |
husband. Because the only person that was next to me was my husband. | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
Long minute say 4,000 people flif hostels, convert to single and | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
double units. Thousands live in the informal settlements and are paid a | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
housing allowance, for their rent. The conditions here are basic, | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
puting it mildly. I was shown around the area, known as wonder | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
cop, by Goodman Masiko one of the striking miners. Familys here, he | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
said had just one room. Everything you cook here, living here, wash | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
here. Sometimes, water is coming out. It is difficult. Very | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
difficult. Sometimes you find seven people in one room. Maybe three, | :40:34. | :40:43. | |
sometimes, two, with children. Depends on the situation. Rt Rev Dr | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
Jo Seoka is quietly arranging meetings between the management and | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
miners. He is sympathetic to the mineser problems. He is chairman of | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
the benchmarks foundation, which monitors the living conditions of | :40:55. | :41:04. | |
the mine workers. The conditions of miners have not changed much. In | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
fact, there is evidence that living allowances are not efficient and | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
the workers are living in appalling conditions. Appalling conditions? | :41:15. | :41:22. | |
Yes. It is not different from the hostels, during the apartheid. | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
Should the ANC be blamed for housing conditions on the mines? | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
The ministers suggest the mine companies should be doing more. | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
We'd like the mining houses, or any employer for that matter, to | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
provide for facility, for the workers, where they can, and ensure | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
they are a state, in maintaining better living standard. Can you put | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
pressures on companies like long minute. We thr is no law, this is a | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
lawful society. It is democratic. You cannot force anyone to do | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
anything, which is unlawful. Unless we're changing our laws. | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
killings ensure this will become far more than a dispute about mine | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
wages. The ANC are in power for 18 years now. And are increasingly | :42:12. | :42:18. | |
criticised for not delivering on jobs or public services. Its | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
leaders oven - often seen as elite. How big a crisis is this for the | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
ANC. The ANC reputation has been damaged by the strike and not just | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
because of the killings. The strike is led by the break away, AMC union, | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
which accused the established, MUNN close to the ANC and mine owners | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
and getting support at Americaa. I'm supporting, AMCU, because these | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
are the ones that are staying with us. People are saying the MUN is | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
close to the ANC. Do you think this is making the people less scene on | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
the ANC? It is, people don't trust ANC any more because of the these | :43:05. | :43:13. | |
things. If MUM is having shares in the company, and ANC is the part of | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
the MUC, and they told the police to come and shoot at us. Another | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
problem the ANC face is the firebrand, Julius Malema once | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
leader of the ANC youth league but now expelled from the party. He | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
called from President Zuma to resign and mines to be nationalised. | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
When we met him he was with the police station, laying charges of | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
the police for the killings. I have the those people had weapons, and | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
therefore they were dangerous, it is not true. You must look at Mr | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
President Zuma's pictures, every time he is at home, when he gets | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
married all the time he careies the same weapons, as the workers. Is he | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
carrying dangerous weapons during wedings. That's not true. There is | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
nothing dangerous about the weapons sthoox the police will say, | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
presumably the workers were charactering at them? There was an | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
argument a worker was the first one to shoot. Let's say there was such | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
a worker, highly trained police should have the capacity to | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
identify that worker, amongst the workers. Isolate him and take him | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
on. The ANC are clearly aware of the potential damage caused by the | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
strike and killings. President Zuma who faces re-election as party | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
leader at the end of the year, visited the mine, there's to be an | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
interministerial and judicial inquiry. It was announced today it | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
will be looking at the role of long minute, rival unions and police. | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
You're confident the ANC hasn't lost backing because of this? | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
don't think so. But, obviously, in elections you can only judge that | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
by the elections, not even by service. By elections themselves. | :45:02. | :45:12. | |
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But the mop is not so confident. He argues the strike and killings are | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
symptomatic of South Africa. have greed which led to serious | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
challenge of corruption. Greed from the management, greed from whom? | :45:22. | :45:29. | |
Management, they want to make more money. And give very little to the | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
workers. Our politicians are not doing as much as they promised to | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
do. They're saying that the poor must be looked of. Wealth must be | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
shared. But that's not what is happening. How serious could this | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
be become if the problem is not addressed? It could lead to | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
conflict. It could lead the poor rising up against the rich. It is | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
an extraordinary, and frightening week for Marikana mine and South | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
Africa. It started with a killings at this rocky outcrop, and ended | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
with soul-searching over problems that affect the entire country. | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
Well, a look at tomorrow's front pages. One in particular, making | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
pages. One in particular, making headlines all on its own. The Sun. | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
BBC decide not to show the picture. Op the mirror's front page, Harry | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
with clothes on, Charles tears a strip off Harry as the Vegas girl | :46:28. | :46:36. | |
reveals wild party secrets. Elizabeth Murdoch is on the front | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
of the guardian, she rounds on her brother which spoke a couple of | :46:42. | :46:52. | |
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years ago, and praises the BBC. Rain on the menu for this weekend. | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Disappointing for many, but sunshine at times. We start Friday | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
with a mixture. Showers pushing up across parts of England and | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
Scotland. In between, some drier and brighter | :47:36. | :47:44. | |
spells, across a chunk of England. East Anglia and far south-east. | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
Clouds looming close to London, wet weather sweeping in, much of Wales, | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
might clear up across Devon and Cornwall, but don't bank on that | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
one. Thunder mixed in with this heavy rain and gusty winds. The wet | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
weather will be pushing up through the Irish Sea, knockingen a the | :48:02. | :48:10. | |
door of County Down. Scotland is not shaping up too badly. One or | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
two showers, most places will be reasonably dry and bright. | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
Looking into Saturday, disturbed spell of weather, just for all of | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
us. Heavy showers, prolonged rain, and across southern counties, gusty | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
winds, particularly along the south coast. These could cause problems | :48:28. | :48:33. |