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If you have tears, prepare to shed them now. Ed Miliband is flesh and | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
blood, he's not the Invisible Man, he went to a school! Every young | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
person should feel they can have a career, a future - like I had. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
the public learn to love a wonk? Shouldn't be a hard sell when | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
tomorrow here in Manchester, Ed Miliband presents his vision to his | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
party - the worry here is what happens when he presents that | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
vision to the public. As the eminent Marxist historian | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
Eric Hobsbawm dies, we chew over whether there's space left for | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
intellectuals in public life. The UN warns the world's population is | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
ageing at a remarkable pace. Should we be worries? Professor Heinz | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
Wolff is. He's here, as is George Monbiot, the environmentalist. And | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
50 years ago today, he needed the National Guard turned out to he | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
could go to class. The first black student at Mississippi university | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
reflects on the journey he made and still to be made. Nothing has | :01:15. | :01:25. | |
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changed yet. I went to war 50 years There must have been a time when | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
young Benjamin Disraeli or young Tony Blair was a household name | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
just in his own household, but in democratic politics, the only thing | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
worse than being unpopular is being unknown. Ed Miliband, the Labour | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
Leader, has decided it's time we got to know and to like him a bit. | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
Tomorrow, he Prenns his pitch to the Labour Party, love me, love my | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
inner geek and then the rest of us get a chance to admire, among other | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
things, such remarkable achievements as having gone to the | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
same school as most people. Our Political Editor, Allegra Stratton, | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
can feel her pulse quickening, at the Labour Party Conference in | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
Manchester. We have a new policy this evening that will be in the | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
Miliband speech tomorrow which does always quicken my heart at a | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
political journalist. It's interesting and combines one of his | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
three themes, the plight of the generation, the divide preen | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
predatory and capitalism. They want more apprentices. He'll talk about | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
the forgotten 50% of young people who don't go to university but who | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
do need to be helped to train up and get more skills. The reason | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
it's interesting is that we do have a living standard problem, people | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
are finding that they can't get as high wages as they had before. Many, | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
many people on different sides of the political spectrum have decided | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
that the way to help people to get the higher wages is through more | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
training. It's one policy, but we don't quite know how holistic the | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
vision will be and tomorrow we'll know whether there's more ideas or | :03:05. | :03:15. | |
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Blue skies thinking. Just saying the words produces a cringe now. | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
What was once a nifty short hand for some meantal exertion by our | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
elected politicians now sees much rolling of eyes -- mental. | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
Today, in Manchester, lo and behold, a true blue sky and a man who likes | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
nothing more than thinking aloud. hung around with Ed from around the | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
age of 12 onwards. He was a very bright guy. How did Ed Miliband | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
come to like thinking and talking so much? A party political | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
broadcast released today is intended to explain just how. No | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
matter that the Miliband brothers are fairly wealthy individuals, the | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
film majors on how they both went to a comprehensive, forementions to | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
be contrast candidate David Cameron's Eton. We follow Miliband | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
as a Harvard teacher. That we are seeing this in cinematic glory | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
indicates that Team Miliband have decided to embrace the inner geek. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Professor Miliband wants to refashion the Labour Party in his | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
own image. He kicked off conference with an appearance by political | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
philosopher Michael Sandell. There are still today some things money | :04:30. | :04:38. | |
can't buy. Well, one such thing is friendship. If you don't have as | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
many friends as you would like, it might occur to you to try to buy | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
some. But you would quickly realise that it wouldn't work. Why not? Why | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
wouldn't it work? Somehow, the money that would buy the friend | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
would disol the good you're seeking. -- dissolve the good you are | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
seeking. The stoic philosophers used to gather underneath a porch | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
like this one and hat for hours about ideas. That's what the Labour | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
Party's been trying to do, ignore the pain and ignore the pleasure in | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
equal measure and instead concentrate on my big ideas. That's | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
what Ed Miliband is telling his party. The trouble is, for some, | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
the time is coming for action. Redistribution. Does that mean | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
giving people more money to begin with so you don't need to start | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
redistributing it? Sort of? It's one of those phrases that gos in | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
one of my ears and out the other, I'm afraid. You have to make things | :05:40. | :05:47. | |
more concrete. Like what? Well, I'm on the left of the party so I think | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
there is a lot more radical things have to be done. If you look at | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
David Cameron, you won't like him I know already, but two years before | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
an election, he was talking about free schools. We are not hearing | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
concrete policies are we? If you look at it, I think we are. We've | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
got a structure there and we are working on that, you know, getting | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
our act together. You are working on it, getting your act together, | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
rather than people know what you are about now? I think people are | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
seeing the real us now, yes. We are getting back to grass roots and | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
basics that.'s where we lost it. When you have a philosopher like | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
Michael Sandel standing up, it must gall you. You know what's good | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
behaviour and what's bad. You don't need to be told by an American | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
philosopher, do you? Karl Marx said philosophers have only interpreted | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
the world, the point is to change it. That would be what I would say | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
about Michael Sandel. REPORTER: In terms of the electoral cycle, I'm | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
interested in where you need to be? We need to give confidence to | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
people that under Labour things would be better. We are getting | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
money into the economy, construction and house building | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
going, fairness at the top which we are not seeing from the present | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
Government at the moment, getting the banking crisis sorted out and | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
our banks restructured in the way they need to be. We are not going | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
to have another financial crisis in the future. Labour's talking about | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
what happens in the future and what they expect. | :07:16. | :07:26. | |
The Shadow Chancellor today provided the warm-up. Here he is | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
practising his grade I exam piece. But earlier, he'd been playing to a | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
not quite packed hall. In his speech, he announced that | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
Labour would spend money raised from the forthcoming sale of the 4G | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
mobile phone spectrum on building 400,000 new homes to much applause. | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
The Labour activists like a bit of action. The note struck by Balls at | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
the start of the conference was much more philosophical, bordering | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
on the fasive. Labour will not detail spending plans until after | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
the next election. Labour is weak on the economy, many think this | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
position cannot last. Even some of Ed Miliband's allies thu the time's | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
come for few more specifics, an idea like pre-distribution is fine, | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
not that complicated but probably belonged in the first year of his | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
leadership when the public didn't pay much attention. Now the public | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
is looking to him and they want a few more specifics. | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
In his second conference speech as leader, Miliband will announce a | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
policy designed to address his three central concerns, the | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
squeezed middle, the next generation and the encouragement of | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
productive capital and the penalising of predatory capital. | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
Professor Miliband is doing some doing as well as some thinking but | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
now we see more clearly that part of his pitch to the voters is that | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
he's the thinking voters' Prime Minister. | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Douglas Alexander is the Shadow Foreign Secretary and joins us from | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
the kfpbs now. Douglas Alexander, are we supposed | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
to take your leader more seriously because he went to the same school | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
as most of the population? -- conference. I think as he'll say | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
tomorrow, the kind of school he went to helps him understand the | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
concerns of people right across the country. Whether that's the | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
pressure on living standards that we have seen over recent years, | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
whether that's their anger about the state of the banks or whether | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
that's their concerns that their kids might not have as good a life | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
as they had. Tony Blair couldn't have done that because he went to a | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
fee-paying school, that's the implication? It's not about what | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
school you went to... You said it was Clement Atlee went to the east | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
of London. Ed Miliband not only learned at his comprehensive school | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
but has been spending time since listening directly to the concerns | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
of voters, that's in contrast I would suggest to a Prime Minister | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
who, by his decisions day in day out is showing he's just out of | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
touch with the ordinary concerns of ordinary people. If what school you | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
went to is not significant, why are you wasting four minutes of our | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
time expecting us to watch a film about where he went to school? | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
partly because if you want to be Prime Minister of the country, | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
people have a right to know where you come from, what makes you | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
believe what you believe and what's forged you as the politician you | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
are. That's a reasonable question. We have been answering that | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
question over the last couple of years but honestly, many people | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
thought when we lost the election as badly as we did in 2010 that | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
that might itself be an academic question. Over the last couple of | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
years, partly because we have come together as a party, partly because | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
of the terrible mess the Conservatives and liberals have | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
made of the economy, people are now looking anew at the Labour Party | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
and considering Ed Miliband is leading a party that could be back | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
in power in three years' time. been leading for two years and | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
nobody knows who he is? I don't think that's fair, Jeremy. He's | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
been a leader who's brought us together when all past precedent | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
was that the Labour Party tears itself apart when it goes into | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
opposition. He's also the leader who last year made a speech about | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
responsible capitalism that I think has set an agenda about the kind of | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
change we need to see. I can't remember a single word that David | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
Cameron said in his conference speech last year. People are still | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
talking about what Ed Miliband said just a year ago. | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
If people are so engaged with his ideas, why is it necessary to spend | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
his main speech of the year tomorrow and this television | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
broadcast telling us where he went to school? Well, I think you can | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
overestimate, it's a single broadcast, one of a number that | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
will be aired between now and when we expect a general election in | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
three years. In terms of the speech tomorrow, it's a perfectly | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
reasonable question to answer, what motivates him, where does he come | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
from, what are his values and what does he offer the country. That | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
will only be one part of the speech. I think if last year he focused on | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
a vision for the economy, responsible capitalism, he'll set | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
out a broader vision for the kind of UK he'd like to see when he | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
speaks to the party and the country tomorrow. One of the differences we | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
have learned with a coalition Government is the Conservative and | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
Liberal leaders are on lienltotd prove to their own party that | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
they're still Conservative and Liberal. The chance for Ed tomorrow | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
is not just to speak to the party but to address the concerns of | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
ordinary people, the squeeze on living standards, the rise in | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
unemployment we have seen rerecently, the challenge that | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
Britain has in paying its way after the financial crisis. That's the | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
very stuff in the questions Ed will be answering tomorrow. Thus far we | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
have had a lot of policy and very little sympathy. Is that the | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
diagnosis? No. I think the right approach is both to talk about the | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
kind of individual that Ed Miliband is, but at least as importantly | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
talk about the kind of country that he wants to lead and that's why I | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
expect he'll do it tomorrow. Here we are two years into his | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
leadership. He's polling worse than David Cameron on who is going to | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
make the better job of running the country? Well, listen, first of all, | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
the poll that matters I think is probably three years off, but | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
secondly, if we had this conversation two years ago and I | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
suggested to you at that point that Labour would be ahead in the | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
opinion polls, the party would be united, there would be a growing | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
seasons of possibility about a Labour victory at the next election. | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
You would probably have listened politely or being Jeremy maybe not, | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
then the camera would have switched off and you would have suggested | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
that I lie down in a darkened room. The fact is, we have come together | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
as a party, the weakness of the Conservative Government has become | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
apparent. Does that guarantee a Labour victory? Absolutely not. But | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
it means that people who're not yet willing to give us their support, | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
are willing to give us a hearing. That's what's different about the | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
opportunity Ed Miliband has tomorrow. I'll let you go and have | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
your lie down in a darkened room now. Thank you. Thanks very much. | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
One of Ed Miliband's television character witnesses in this | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
broadcast calls him Professor Miliband. This is not a title he's | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
likely to use as he asks for our votes because the British don't | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
seem to suffer intellectuals gladly. Some contrast to the genuine | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
Professor, Eric Hobsbawm, the life long Marxist who's died of | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
pneumonia at 95. His prescription force changing the world, it's safe | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
to say, are in no danger of being adopted by the Labour Leader | :14:09. | :14:19. | |
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tomorrow. But he did make you think. Born weeks before revolution in | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
Russia ushered in the world's first communist state, it was to be Eric | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
Hobsbawm's support for communism that provided his critics with | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
years of ammunition. When we met, exactly ten years ago, on the first | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
Monday of October 2002, he was prepared to seed some ground. | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
can't call myself a communist any more because the kind of party | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
which I believed was necessary, which Lenin pioneered and which was | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
for a period in the 20th century an incredibly formidable device for | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
changing states and societies, has run out. This historic period for | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
that is gone. Eric Hobsbawm's unusual journey led | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
from Alexandria to Venice, then 1930s Berlin. Eric Hobsbawm the | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
historian was a product, not of the rise of Nazism, but of the move | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
that followed. It was coming to England, where history was an | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
important part of the teaching. Health service in an English | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
secondary school and English university that I became historian. | :15:33. | :15:41. | |
It was Hobsbawm age of series, a history of capitalism from 1789 to | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
1991 that brought him his greatest literary renowned. Tony Blair | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
sought his advice on how to revive Labour. | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
We last met this past January as the current political leaders | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
agonised over responsible capitalism. | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
As an economic system, capitalism has nothing to do with | :16:01. | :16:08. | |
responsibility. It has to do with growth, with making profit. Over | :16:08. | :16:15. | |
the last 40 years, it seems to me, capitalism developed a sort of | :16:15. | :16:23. | |
pathological degeneration of the line in which you believe that | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
responsibility had absolutely nothing to do with it. | :16:29. | :16:37. | |
The philosopher George Monbiot is here with the former Downing Street | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
commune cases chief Alastair Campbell at Manchester. Mary first, | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
this question of intellectuals public life politics, Hobsbawm | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
belonged to something that was different, didn't he? | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
I think he was part of a generation that came out of central Europe, | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
very like Ed Miliband's father Actually very much like my father | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
too, who lived through the 20th century and who thought of the | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
world in big terms and were preoccupied with the world and with | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
interpreting the world, and preoccupyed with coming up with | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
visions of change but who didn't want to become politicians. We are | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
suspicious, aren't we, of intellectuals in politics? | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
Sometimes with good reason. Eric Hobsbawm had some good ideas and | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
some pretty bad ideas. I think some of the British suspicion of British | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
intellectuals has come from a sense that if intellectuals have too much | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
power and responsibility, they'll be naive that there's a pragmatism | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
necessary in public life that intellectuals lack. Alastair | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
Campbell, in the communications business, a lot of very well | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
educated and very clever politicians go out of their way to | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
cultivate the ordinary bloke image, don't they? Why do they do that? | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
don't think they do. I think that there's definitely a fact, I think | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
in Britain were probably less respectful than intellectuals than | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
in say France or parts of the education establishment in the | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
United States. Don't forget, we are probably the only country where | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
people I think ludicrously, to be too clever by half is a major | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
criticism. In politics - I mean partly this is about the | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
development of the media age and the fact that politicians do have | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
to be able to communicate - I think that sometimes the politicians | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
who're thought to be very intellectual. I could think of | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
David Willets or Oliver Letwin of the modern Conservative Party that | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
they are perhaps seen as having two brains in the case of Mr Willets, | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
being very good thinkers but not having the political skills | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
necessarily that you need the modern age. I suspect we are | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
discussing this in part because people rightly think Ed Miliband | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
has a pret digood intellect but we are still at that stage where | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
people are trying to work out whether he was do the modern | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
political stuff as well -- pretty good intellect. Politicians do have | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
to be themselves if they are going to be successful because of the | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
scrutiny. Two brains Willets - it's not a term of approbation, but a | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
term of anxiety isn't it, too clever by half? They do worry but | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
on the other hand what I think is that what counts as pragmatism is | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
very often the idea of, as Cains put it of a deif you thinkle theory | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
person. We get stuck in thinking of ways of the world which are | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
pragmatic and we think that anything that comes outside that | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
way, anybody who has a different concept of the world is out of | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
touch and naive. There are moments in history, and this is one of them, | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
where when we need as many ideas as possible. There's a wonderful piece | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
by Count, which is a secret article to a perpetual piece and he says | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
the condition for it is that Kings can shout philosophers but they | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
should not be philosophers because being in power makes you unable to | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
use your reason and philosophers should not be Kings, but they need | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
that sort of critical respwerpretraition of the world. | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
reinterpretation of the world. How much do you think it's to do with | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
the common law theory that we don't have a written constitution? A lot | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
of it comes down to the French revolution. The British looked on | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
appalled at the nation killing its King and Queen and took pride in | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
the fact that they didn't go in for such antics and blamed the French | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
thinkers, the think, who led to this extremism. That's where the | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
British love of simply it is, home- spun philosophy, pragmatism was | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
born. Alastair's saying and Mary's saying, the British do think as | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
much as any other people. We have got our intellectuals but they are | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
not labelled as that. We have as many thinkers as any other nation | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
but we don't tend to put them in cafes and we don't lionise them but | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
of course they're out there. are nodding, Alastair Campbell, do | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
you spend a lot of time hiding them? No, I agree with that because | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
I think they are out there and quite a lot of them are in politics. | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
I think that in France, it's deemed to be a very, very good thing to be | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
nothing more than an intellectual and to say that you are an | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
intellectual, your job have to be an intellectual, you think on | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
behalf of others. Some of the big thinkers have been politicians in | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
our history. If you read the works of Winston Churchill, even the | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
stuff that is about his own political life, there's a man I | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
think with a huge intellect who did wrestle with ideas. Modern | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
politicians have to wrestle with ideas because of the velocity of | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
change and the pressures surrounding them at the moment. In | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
a way, they have to wrap them up in language that can be communicated | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
down the barrel of a camera. I always say a good strategy, you | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
need to be able to put it in a word, phrase, sentence, a page and a book, | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
and the book is in a way the most important part of it but you still | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
have to be able to explain that very, very simply to the person | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
who's only going to listen to you for half a minute. Can you imagine, | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
I mean that broadcast that the Labour Party are putting out, Ed | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
Miliband's life, there is a person in that who talks about Ed Miliband | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
during his time at Harvard as Professor Harvard. Can you imagine | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
someone campaigning to be Prime Minister as a Professor? Yes, I can, | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
I can. I heard your interview with Douglas | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
Alexander there and let's be honest, part of the challenge Ed has at the | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
moment is to get across the UK who he is. His background is an | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
important part of that. Therefore where you go to school is a | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
relevant part. Story of somebody whose life as his career develops | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
will be analysed microscopically. We have to push back better than we | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
do on this too clever by half thing. Tony Blair famously education, | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
education, education. We all still believe that education is one of | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
the keys to making Britain more prosperous and we should value | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
intellectual thought more, including in the political process. | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
Some of the commentary today about the intellectuals who spoke at the | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
conference yesterday who had a lot of the audience spell bound but a | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
lot of it was sneerry. We'd have a better political debate if we | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
valued the contribution of intellectuals who present | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
themselves as such as throw new ideas out there that we can chew | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
over and fight and argue over, many of which will get into the | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
political system. Mary Kaldor? think it's true that good | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
politicians are also thinkers. Winston church sill a good example | :23:52. | :24:00. | |
and maybe Ed Miliband will be a good example too -- Churchill is a | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
good example. You need those who act according to their consciences. | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
Society needs that. The fall of communism was a brilliant example. | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
There were so many thinkers who didn't become thinkers when | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
President. George Conrad came up with new ideas which really did | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
change the way things were thought about in Eastern Europe and made | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
possible the peaceful revolutions. Of course, there's a difference | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
between idealogy and ideas and that's what you are talking about | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
with the French or Russian revolution. You put your finger on | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
it by saying it's independent thinkers. It's hard to read a | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
political party and at the same time wear the clothes of an | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
intellectual. That's the problem Ed Miliband's got. How can he pretend | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
to be be an independent Professor and at the same time the Head of A | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
major political party. It doesn't tend to sit well? I tend to agree | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
but he can be keen on ideas and keen on fostering an intellectual | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
debate. Thank you all very much indeed. An keen on ideas which you | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
can get from other parts of the world, that's the other point. The | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
economy's globalised and so is politics and some of the best ideas | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
in Britain will probably come from other parts of the world and that's | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
a very good thing too. Thank you very much. Old people - they are | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
everywhere. You must have noticed. This is not a uniquely British | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
problem if at all. The UN says the number of old people in the world | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
is growing faster than any other section of the population. Absurdly, | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
they define the old as those over 60. There will be over a billion | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
within a decade. Watch out. Joe Lynam reports. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
In a rapidly developing world, the once yawning gap between the | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
developed and developing world is closing. Where the old challengers | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
were to simply survive childhood, the new 21st century is to how to | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
manage old age. The UN population fund and help age international | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
welcomes the fact that people are living longer but said that | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
developing countries had to urgently think up new approaches to | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
health care, retirement and intergenerational relations. | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
According to a report, rapidly changing demographics make the case | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
forurgent action. A decade from now, there will be one billion over 60s, | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
and by 2050, that figure will have reached two billion, when for the | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
first time, there'll be more people under 60 than under 156789 older | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
people, as defined by the UN rrbgs the fastest growing age group of | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
all -- the UN, are the fastest growing group at all. Longevity is | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
an economic problem in many wealthy countries. Young people are brought | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
up knowing it's their role to provide for older family members. | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
Because that's not the case in developed country, the state tends | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
to have a bigger role in taking care of the old. This UN report | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
says less well off countrys are sleep walking into a problem | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
because as they get richer, they are not making sufficient provision | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
for older people in the future. Therefore a few things that we can | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
do to minimise that problem, not to solve it, but to minute news. One | :27:15. | :27:22. | |
of them is to raise the retirement age which in Brazil is very low. | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
Many people in private and public sector retire very early. We can | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
definitely, through public policy, minimise part of the fact of | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
population ageing. Half of those country where is | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
there are at least ten million over 60-year-olds are in developing | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
economies. In China, the world's most rapidly growing large economy, | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
the one child policy makes the problem of longevity even more | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
acute and means the country will be old before it's rich. China's | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
fertility rate stands at 1.6 births per woman, far below the 2.1 needed | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
to sustain a growing population. The report makes recommendations - | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
older people shouldn't be force totd retire by a certain age if | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
they wish to work longer. Britain ended that practice this year. | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
National health care plans should automatically include special | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
provision for the needs of older people. Young people should be | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
educated in such a way to make them less economically dependent when | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
they get older, and the UN also suggests that older people's rights | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
should be enshrined in law to protect them from discrimination. | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
South Africa is developing rapidly and has a young population coming | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
through the afternoons. It's also been dealing with the effect of HIV | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
AIDS which has devastated many parts of the country. That has | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
thrown up further problems and even a grim advantage. | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
We've called it the demographic dividend that we are reaping at the | :28:53. | :29:03. | |
:29:03. | :29:04. | ||
moment. In the sense that the - there was quite a dramatic decrease | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
in life expectancy, as a direct consequence of HIV AIDS, and | :29:11. | :29:18. | |
subsequently with the roll out of retrovirals on a widespread basis, | :29:18. | :29:26. | |
we have seen a substantial recovery in life expectancy generally. | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
Global prosperity means we are having fewer children and they are | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
living longer. Soon there'll be more dependents than people | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
actually working. The message from the UN for all of us is, ignore our | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
population growth today and you will be storing up economic | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
problems tomorrow. Professor Heinz Wolff is with us, | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
he believes that people should volunteer as carers in exchange for | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
care when they get old. The writer and environmentalist George Monbiot | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
is here and we are joined from Harvard university by Professor of | :29:58. | :30:08. | |
:30:08. | :30:09. | ||
International Development, Calestous Juma. Why is old age bad | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
for society? It's bad simply because you need younger people to | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
supply the money and the care, the labour that the older people are | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
going to need. I mean, if people are retiring, they continue to | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
retire long before they die, then you have this great demographic | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
burden at the top of society which someone is going to have to service. | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
If the population of young people is declining, as it probably will, | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
as countries go through democratic transition, that will become harder. | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
Do you have a solution? We are going to just have to face this | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
pain. Some people talk about we need to keep the population growing, | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
like the old lady who swallowed a fly, we swallow a spider, a bird, a | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
cat, then make the problem bigger in order to solve the problem in | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
2030 or 2050. We desperately need to start planning for that | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
demographic downturn and accept that it will happen. What is this | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
idea of yours, Heinz Wolff? It's not an idea, it's actually | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
happening. The young foundation, myself and my university, have | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
start add scheme called Care For Care, people like you or him or | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
anybody who has any facility to give care to somebody else, will do | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
so for three, four, five hours a week, and in exchange, they'll get | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
a care credit on their bank account, measured in hows, which is then | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
used to give them the care when they actually need it in their 7s | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
and 80s. This is working. We are a pilot in the Isle of Wight. By 2015, | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
and I'm really bragging now, I hope to have one million people doing | :31:44. | :31:54. | |
this. And who administers this? Care for Care will be an | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
organisation, care in the community company, there's very little money | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
involved because it's run by an alternative currency. If a 40-year- | :32:01. | :32:06. | |
old man or woman does the requisite amount of time to be entitled to | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
several weeks or months perhaps when they need need it, who makes | :32:10. | :32:17. | |
sure they get it? Well, this is the most commonly asked question. | :32:17. | :32:24. | |
answer it? It's the next generation. It's only possible... So the next | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
generation If the then generation is as keen to make provision for | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
their old age. If they don't want to? Of course they do. What do they | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
do, die in the streets, don't get their bottoms wiped. Professor | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
Calestous Juma in Harvard, you have been listening very patiently. | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
There are some suggestions that the real growth here is in the | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
developing world. These problems in the developed world, we are | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
slightly familiar with them, aren't we? Yes, in fact we have evidence | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
of that already in the developed countries and we have some very | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
interesting responses to that challenge. If you take two | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
countries, Japan and Denmark, they've already responded to that | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
challenge but technological innovations that involve | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
recruitment of technology such as robotics to help home care and | :33:17. | :33:23. | |
secondly, the decentralisation where homes are becoming hospitals. | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
Nice to the proposals that have been put on the table, we need to | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
lack at what countries are already doing today because this will have | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
implications for what can be done in the future. But you don't think | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
you could have robots caring for the elderly in the developing world, | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
do you? I think some of that is already | :33:44. | :33:53. | |
happening with recruitment of things to industrialised nations. | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
As the population expands and ages, we are going to see greater demand | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
for medical care in other countries that will make it more difficult to | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
have that live skill migration of experts. | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
You were referring to this question of migration a moment ago? Well, I | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
think that migration has got to be part of the answer. There are | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
countries which are going through the demographic transition long | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
after certain countries like our own start to age and bringing in | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
younger carers has just got to be part of the solution. It's hard to | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
see how we'll cope without it. They'll get old themselves and need | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
carers? Sure. We are facing a bulge. It lacks as if populations are | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
heading for about nine or ten billion. They then plateau then | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
decline. During that period of plateauing and declining, before | :34:46. | :34:52. | |
they reach a stable lower level, we are going to see all sorts of | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
dislocations and disruptions. It will be very difficult to manage. | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
There isn't a single solution which is going to sort it. We've heard | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
two reasonable approaches here, but neither the technology, nor the | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
caring credits by themselves are going to sort this out. There's | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
going to have to be a whole raft of measures. It will be a very | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
difficult time. Can you imagine a global agreement on this matter, | :35:15. | :35:22. | |
Heinz? No. And there are problems anyway of mixing different ethnic | :35:22. | :35:31. | |
origins. An old lady who is 83 in this country isn't going to be care | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
ford by an 18-year-old Polish student. It simply doesn't fit. | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
I've done the sums. It's already happening, surely? No, it's | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
happening by and large that elderly people care for old people and the | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
word medical which we heard from Harvard just now, it isn't just | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
medical, it's lonelines. The most corrosive thing that hits single | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
people living by themselvess is they're lonely and quite often this | :35:58. | :36:06. | |
is the basis of whatever diseases they've fallen into later on. | :36:06. | :36:13. | |
shouldn't a Polish student be as much a companion to an elderly | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
person? It doesn't fit. This has to be a certain amount of empathy | :36:18. | :36:26. | |
between the people. We have to accept that similarly, as we have | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
an effort to bring up children, we have to put effort in towards the | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
end of our lives to look after old people. I spent 60 years designing | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
gadgets of one kind of another, not necessarily for old people, and I | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
calm to the conclusion four years ago that this is the only tool we | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
need. Hands? Hands. And that anything which increases the number | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
of people who're prepared to make some effort in care, and it only | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
takes four or five hours a week per person, if 10% of the population | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
did it, then we have a real solution which would give us partly | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
over the bump -- get us partly over the bump. Do you get any sense, | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
Calestous Juma, we see some signs of it here in Europe, of an | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
increasing resentment of old people because it's not their fault | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
they've lived a long time and they want to stay alive and medicine's | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
got much better, but there is an increasing resentment. Do you see | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
it elsewhere in the world? I don't see it as a source of | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
friction at all, particularly in the developing countries where the | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
age structure is different. I think the real concern... | :37:40. | :37:47. | |
Oh, dear. That was... Can I pick this up? Off into the dark night of | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
the mid Atlantic I think. Do you want to say something quickly? | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
genuinely fear that by the time I'm an old crock, I will be hated by | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
the younger generation because there will be a heck of a lot of us, | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
perceived as a huge economic burden which will be hard to sustain and | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
they'll be saying, you had a great time, you screwed up the planet's | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
resources, consumed far more than was sustainable and now you are | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
asking us to look after you. It will be politically challenging as | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
well as economyly. I don't think you are right. The problem will be | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
that some people make provision for their old age by the way I've been | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
explaining and possibly by other ways, and other people will be | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
feckless, a lovely word, some will be feckless. | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
Thank you both very much. It's October 1st. 50 years ago today, a | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
young man enrolled at the University of Mississippi known as | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
Ole Miss. James Meredith was black- and-white people were outraged. He | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
could only attend class under guard. There is a black President running | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
for re-election next month. In an interview with Sol before River, | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
James Meredith has been talking about those days and the journey | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
his country is still making -- Sol B River. | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
NEWSREEL: James Meredith wins his fight in Mississippi and becomes | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
the first negro known to register many the state university... | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
I was per peptive enough to know, particularly the first time I came | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
home to visit my mother, when I joined the United States military, | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
when I got to the Mississippi River on the Greyhound bus, the bus | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
driver stopped the bus, drew a black curtain in the back of the | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
but and made all blacks get be hind the back what curtain. It didn't | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
take a genius to figure out that I wasn't enjoying all my rights and | :39:57. | :40:07. | |
:40:07. | :40:07. | ||
privileges. I came back to Mississippi in 1960. I came back to | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
launch a war against white supremacy with the intent of | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
destroying it. On gaining admission to the university, you had to have | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
constant protection and you had to deal with a great deal of isolation | :40:21. | :40:31. | |
:40:31. | :40:33. | ||
and how did that feel? I spent four terms at the university. I never | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
saw one person this -- one person there, period. Your father's house | :40:40. | :40:48. | |
was attacked twice during your time at Ole Miss and the house was shot | :40:48. | :40:55. | |
at, win toes shot through? I lived in my daddy's house 17 years. Never | :40:55. | :41:03. | |
once did he go to bed without a loaded shotgun over his head. He | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
used to tell me all the time, everybody knew he carried a pistol. | :41:08. | :41:15. | |
What people didn't know, he always carried two. | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
There was an occasion where you'd be eating in the cafeteria and | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
there would be a bomb threat and the cafeteria would have to be | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
evacuated and of course it was a false alarm. This thing continued. | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
What other kind of threats were made that disrunned your day to day | :41:34. | :41:42. | |
life at the university -- disrupted. Once I put the President of the | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
United States in a position where he had to use the military might of | :41:46. | :41:55. | |
the United States of America to protect my rights as a citizen. | :41:55. | :42:04. | |
Why were so many troops required in order to come to your aid? If they | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
had have had to call the whole two million, it would have been | :42:08. | :42:18. | |
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justified. Not just for me, for any citizen. | :42:19. | :42:29. | |
America is about citizenship and I was born a citizen. Every right and | :42:29. | :42:38. | |
privilege there was automatically belonged to me and the idea that | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
someone has a right to any privilege I don't have is just | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
absolutely against anything. idea of negotiating civil rights, | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
you described as an absolute obscenity? | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
The whole so-called civil rights whatever it is that you want to | :42:57. | :43:05. | |
call it was an insult, not just to me, it was an insult to the citizen | :43:05. | :43:12. | |
Shinn, in effect what the so-called civil rights movement position was | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
and still is that we good white folks will help you non-whites who | :43:18. | :43:26. | |
don't have the rights we do, although every citizen's supposed | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
to. If you acknowledge you don't have all of them, we'll help you | :43:30. | :43:38. | |
threat three or four that you can enjoy. And at this time, what the | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
whole thing up at Ole Miss is about is saying that we have given you | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
these three or four of your rights and it's progress and you ought to | :43:50. | :44:00. | |
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A march is a protest to get someone else to do better to grant you your | :44:08. | :44:14. | |
rites and privileges. So what has changed in the South? | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
Absolutely nothing. I went to war 50 years ago and I'm | :44:20. | :44:30. | |
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No matter what happened, the most important thing in American history | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
is the election of Barack Obama's President of the United States. And | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
it ain't going away. He can go on for ever, as long as the United | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
States is the United States, he's going to be an African-American, a | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
half African, half American, President of the United States. | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
He's a President, not because he's pwhack or white, but because he | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
dominated Harvard university -- black or white. It's almost the | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
same as the Dallas Cowboys having their first black quarterback. I | :45:10. | :45:16. | |
mean, the Dallas cowboy didn't shame on a ship. I mean, nothing | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
else has changed. What's changed in America in regards to having an | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
African-American President? Literally nothing, white supremacy | :45:26. | :45:32. | |
still reigns. I should ask you what your legacy might be? | :45:32. | :45:42. | |
Well, I just hope before I die I get the enemy in the knowledge, | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
that I'm 23n a war with them and that they have won the war almost | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
all the time and that maybe I'll have one victory. But they don't | :45:54. | :46:04. | |
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even acknowledge that there's a war. That hurt my heart so much, that | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
Mississippi people feel so powerful, they don't even acknowledge I'm big | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
enough to call myself at war with them. | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
James Meredith, thank you very much. And that is all from us. We are off | :46:18. | :46:26. | |
clubbing where we'll be dancing along to Psy sigh the pudgy South | :46:26. | :46:33. | |
Korean whose music's become the most watched of music on YouTube. | :46:33. | :46:43. | |
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Queen Beatrix learned the moves and Clare Balding's taught her horses. | :46:46. | :46:56. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 50 seconds | :46:56. | :47:47. | |
The weather is downhill in the south-west. As the wind freshens by | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
the afternoon more showers and longer spells of rain. Showers | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
continue through the day. Pegging back temperatures in the wind. | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
After brief respite, wetter weather moves north across Northern Ireland, | :47:59. | :48:05. | |
maybe getting late sunshine as the rain pushes into south-west | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
Scotland. North-east Scotland may be seeing the best waench with | :48:08. | :48:17. | |
plenty of sunshine. Few shurz in Inverness. Just 11 or 12 degrees. | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
It's brighter around the middle part of the week. As you head | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
further south across the UK, there's the rain coming into | :48:23. | :48:26. |