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Tonight a major kidnap crisis facing the British, French and | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Algerian Governments. Islamist militants raid a BP gas plant in | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
the Algerian desert, and take an estimated 40 people hostage. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
safety of those involved and their co-workers is our absolute priority, | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
and we will work around the clock to resolve this crisis. So, is this | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
payback for the French intervention in neighbouring Mali? Also tonight, | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
the land of the free, and the home of the brave, tries one more time | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
to reform gun laws. But with some school teachers already armed, is | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
it too late to change the American love affair with the gun? What's | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
going to happen an armed gun man that breaks into your school? | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
will be shoot, in the best case scenario. Britain in the EU or on | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
the edge, David Cameron again promises to bring back powers from | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
Brussels. On Europe right now, the PM is in a whole world of pain. | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
Nothing he says on the subject will satisfy everybody, there is a real | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
danger he will satisfy nobody. We ask one of our closest European | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
allies, Sweden, what they think of the Cameron strategy. The UK is | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
part of a dynamic and growing Europe. Normally Sweden and the UK | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
tend to have the same views on openness, competitiveness and free | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
trade, for us it is very worrying that the British debate seems to be | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
sliding, where you almost accidentally might be leaving the | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
European Union. Now, if you eat lamb, beef, pork | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
and even a slice of Bambi, why do the British say nay to eating a bit | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
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of horse. We will be tucking in later to see what we are missing. | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
Good evening, it is every Government's nightmare, a major | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
kidnapping in a remote location, involving Islamist extremists and | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
British nationals. The armed raid on a BP gas FA sill ein the all | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
gatherian desert, near Libya, could have many cause, but what is clear | :02:16. | :02:23. | |
is British, Norwegian, Japanese lives are at stake. There one | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
Jihadist leaders said the gates of hell would hope when French | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
soldiers started to move into Mali. Was today's event the kind of thing | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
he had had in mind? The scene of this crisis is a | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
natural gasfield, one of Algeria's largest, deep in The Sahara. A | :02:45. | :02:53. | |
field run jointly by BP, Statoil of Norway and the Algerian state oil | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
company. According to Algerian sources the attack began at dawn, | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
when heavily armed Islamists attacked a bus, carrying engineers | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
going to the plant. They took a number of hostages at the plant | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
itself later. Two foreigner, including a British national, are | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
believed to have been killed, and there are reports that the total | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
number being held is 41. They include Norwegians, a man from | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
Northern Ireland, and several Americans. The Algerian army is now | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
concerneding the plant, and negotiations with the hostage- | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
takers are continuing. Tonight, the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
confirmed UK citizens were also being held. This does include a | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
number of British nationals, this is, therefore, extremely dangerous. | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
We are in close touch with the Algerian Government, the Algerian | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
military have deployed to the area. The Prime Minister has spoken to | :03:45. | :03:53. | |
the Prime Minister of Algeria. gasfield is in the east of Algeria, | :03:53. | :04:00. | |
close to the sibian border, south of there is a poorly policed and | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
vast region. A region where a number of westerners have already | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
been taken hostage by Islamist groups. Now, those groups have | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
gained more weapons, leftover from the war against Colonel Gaddafi in | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
northern Libya. In northern Mali, Islamist groups have taken control | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
of half the country. France intervened last week, when it | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
feared those groups were moving south towards the capital, Bamako. | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
France began by sending warplanes to bomb rebel positions in Mali. It | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
has followed up with ground troops. One rebel group warned that France | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
had opened the gates of hell by the action. So does today's hostage | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
taking show what they meant? Several claims of responsibility | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
from Islamists have been made in phone calls to a news agency in | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
neighbouring more tainia. According to one -- Moritania, according to | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
one group they are called The Masked Brigade, and was formed to | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
take the interests of those countries intervening in Mali. One | :05:03. | :05:10. | |
call said it was a group headed by a veteran Jihadi fighter, Kian | :05:10. | :05:20. | |
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Mokhtari. He was known as the -- "one-eyed", he was the predecessor | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
to the Al-Qaeda Maghreb group. He's the leader. Apparently he has | :05:29. | :05:38. | |
deaffected or maybe spread a little power in Somali. We know the groups | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
in Mali, the Salafist groups, have links with the groups in Niger. | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
There is no proof the Al-Qaeda groups are behind the attack today, | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
many think it is, and the motivation is clear? It is a direct | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
response to the French intervention in Mali, it is no coincidence it | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
happened in Algeria. Algeria has long warned against an intervention | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
in Mali, but over recent weeks it has openly supported the French | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
intervention. It seems that it is a revenge attack against such a | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
support. Today in Mali, civilians were | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
fleeing the combat zone, where francais its infantry will be | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
fighting within hours, despite the crisis in Algeria. TRANSLATION: | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
am in constant contact with the Algerian authorities who are doing, | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
and will do everything that is needed. We are also in contact with | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
the heads of state and Government of the countries concerned. All | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
this is not without a connection, as everyone will have understood, | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
to the operation that we are undertaking. Meanwhile, the EU has | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
said it will speed up deployment of military trainers, including | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
summit's expects from Britain, to work with west African forces in | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
Mali. It is a show of support for France, taken in the face of what | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
many believe is a growing risk to western security from north and | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
west Africa. This attack against western interests, and against | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
western lives in particular, will have huge consequences on the whole | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
region. The the global war on ter yo, which has focused so much on | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, is now shifting in Africa. It means | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
that a new front in the war on terror has now opened in that part | :07:24. | :07:31. | |
of the world. The operation in Mali is intended to reduce the terrorist | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
threat to European interests. But as the crisis continues in Algeria, | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
some think it will do the opposite. For some insight into what might be | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
behind the attack, the former Foreign Office minister Lord Browne | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
is here, as is a specialist on North Africa. Does it look pretty | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
likely that this is Mali-linked? Very plausible. It seems too much | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
of a coincidence, even the French President in that clip was not | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
acknowledging there is a connection. So I think even if there is some | :08:05. | :08:13. | |
sort of opportunistic, randson- seeking component to it, what is | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
really driving it is an Islamic radicalisation in the region, which | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
is provoked by the French action, which is why the French were right | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
to go in. Justifiable to go in, in your view? It was probably the | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
least bad of poor choices. But there was a real risk that Bamako | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
itself would fall, that Mali as a country would fall under the | :08:34. | :08:42. | |
control of these Islamists. So some action of this kind had to be taken. | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
The consequences will be quite severe. What kind of group are | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
these people, what do you think they actually want? These people, | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
first of all, want to publicise their opposition to the French | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
intervention in Mali. But they probably are also seeking some | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
benefits for themselves. Possibly some money, as has been mentioned, | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
but also recognition among their peers. They very often want to | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
outdo each other, between the various brigades making up Al-Qaeda | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
in the mabgreb, there is a competition dab Maghreb. The person | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
who claims to be behind the abduction was repeatedly reported | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
expelled from Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, he was on bad | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
terms with the key boss. He wants to reassert his power over his men, | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
around 200-300 people, and is in the area of The Sahara, he wants to | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
show through this action that he's he is centre. He's an Algerian? -- | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
He's at the centre. He's Algerian? We shouldn't forget it started in | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
the Algerian north. This is the 1990s, Islamist groups wanted to | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
overturn the Algerian Government, they failed in doing so, they were | :09:55. | :10:04. | |
final low expelled from the Algerian territory in -- finally | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
expelled from the Algerian territory and they sought refuge in | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
Mali and they are trying to double up their logistics. This will be a | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
nightmare for the French and British Governments and other | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
Governments, how dangerous is it? It is very dangerous, until the | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
event today I wondered whether or not it might be more dangerous, in | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
France particularly, I think at the level of Governments, not | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
necessarily at peoples, but at thes of Governments in west Africa, this | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
is broadly supported, they are as alarmed as anybody by the rising | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
tide of radical Islam. I do believe most of the Governments of the | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
region will rally behind the French. What this is demonstrating is the | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
limited authority of those Governments over Islamic elements | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
in their own society. So it will be dangerous in France, it is going to | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
be dangerous in the region. For the French, the real worry is, how are | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
they going to get out of it. Always these interventions are easy in, | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
but very difficult to exit. As the French press have said, part of the | :11:07. | :11:16. | |
critque. Particular group, are they people willing to -- in terms of | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
this particular group, are they for the cause, or is there rifely | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
between the groups and they want to prospur and survive as -- prosper | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
and survive as they can? Some of the fighters are ready to die. That | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
is what makes them such a difficult enemy to fight for the French and | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
Mali armies, because they are really ready to give their lives, | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
if necessary. The big bosses will try to escape. The other ones | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
really, the infantry men, they are there to die if necessary. The | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
leaders are extremely well trained. Some of them started their careers | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
in Afghanistan in the 1980s, or in Lebanon, fighting the Israelis, and | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
they fought the Algerian Government in the 1990s, during the war in | :12:01. | :12:09. | |
Algeria, then over to The Sahara, they were made part of the Twaregs, | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
we are touching here the crux of the relationship between the | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
Islamists and Twaregs, who used to be moderate Muslims, who wouldn't | :12:20. | :12:27. | |
be tempted by this type of venture and extremism, but they are more | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
open now to the alliance with terrorist groups. In terms of the | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
hostage situation it could go on for a long time, we had the French | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
trying to rescue one of their people in Somalia, and it went | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
wrong, he had been there for years? In this case it won't go on for | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
years n the sense that the hostages, we know where they are, the | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
Algerian army is now surrounding them. But it could go on for months. | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
There has been another example in Algeria in the paths, where I think | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
that is correct, it -- in the past, where I think it is correct, it did | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
go on more months. One element to put on the table, so familiar in | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
the intervention, is the Government on whose behalf you intervene, | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
whether it was way back when the Americans and French went in for | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
South Veitnam, or whether it was Afghanistan and the Karzai regime, | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
or now with the regime in Bamako, it is a weak regime, without much | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
legitimacy or authority. So, you're pushing on a piece of string. You | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
are coming in militarily, but you don't have a Government ally | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
locally able to extend its political authority, and take | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
advantage of your military intervention. | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
Thank you very much. After last month's mass murder of | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
20 children and six adults at a school in Connecticut, it was | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
inevitable that President Obama would have a go at tackling | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
America's gun law. Equally inevitable, in a country with the | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
highest rate of civilian gun ownership on earth, the gun lobby | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
responded vigorously and personally. The National Rifle Association | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
asked whether President Obama's children were more important than | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
other American children because they have armed protection when | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
they go to school. Today the President said he would do all he | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
could to prevent a repeat of last month's tragedy. If there is even | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there is even one life | :14:17. | :14:26. | |
that can be saved then we have an obligation to try. I'm going to do | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
my part. Alan Little is in Dallas Texas which is state where you can | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
buy a gun if you are a teenager, but not drink until you are 21. The | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
President says he will do his part, what do we know about the details | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
about what he wants to do? He's proposed a series of measures, | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
which taken together, would amount to the most sweeping restrictions | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
on gun ownership, introduced since Bill Clinton's first term, 20 years | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
ago. He wants, for example, to introduce universal background | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
checks, at the moment it is possible to buy a gun in certain | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
kind of private sales or firearms sales without proving that you are | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
not a felon, or not qualified to buy. That you are not legally | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
allowed to buy a gun. He wants to tighten that up. He wants a ban on | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
military-style assault weapons. Again that was tried by Bill | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
Clinton, there was a temporary ban, it was hugely unpopular in gun- | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
owning America. He wants to limit magazines to a maximum of ten | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
rounds, at the moment, typically, a magazine would hold 20 rounds. He | :15:29. | :15:36. | |
also wants to introduce higher punishments for those who buy guns | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
legally, in order to sell them on at a profit to criminal gangs. He | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
said none of it is possible without congressional action, he's already | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
calling members of Congress to line up behind the gun control ticket, | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
without that it won't be possible. Briefly, is it a dead duck the | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
moment he said it, because he has to have that support s he might not | :15:57. | :16:04. | |
get it? It is almost impossible to see how he will get Republican | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
support on the ban of new purchases of assault weapons. Also from the | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
point of view of those of us who live in countries where gun | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
ownership is very rare, and gun restrictions are very high, this | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
looks pretty moderate. It leaves 300 million guns still in | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
circulation in this country. It doesn't make illegal ownership of | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
existing assault weapons. Even so, it is likely to meet fierce | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
resistance from the 47% of adult Americans who currently have guns | :16:34. | :16:44. | |
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in their home. I have been finding What is it that gives the gun so | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
powerful a hold on the American mind? Why does America persist with | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
its belief that a largely unregulated supply of weapons is | :17:03. | :17:10. | |
safe and sane? Why is the idea of gun control so toxic to so many? | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
Europeans, for the most part think it perverse, baffling. But | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
Americans are not like Europeans. They are shaped by a different | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
experience. The gun has polarised this country. One America cries out | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
in despair for reform and restraint, and that only pushes the other | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
America to be more French trenchant still in the faith in guns. This is | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
a journey through this other America, where the second amendment | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
is almost a sacred text. Here in Chicago, there were more than 500 | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
homicides last year, more than double the number of US combat | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
deaths in Afghanistan, in this city alone. The state of Illinois has | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
some of the strictist gun controls in the United States. It is, for | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
now, the only state in the union, where it is illegal to carry a | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
concealed weapon outside the home. Get out of the city into rural | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
Illinois, and you are a world away from the mean streets. Here they | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
don't like that restriction on concealed carry at all. You are the | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
reason we still have guns like this and we don't have to register or | :18:24. | :18:34. | |
turn them into the state police. Guns Save Life, is a group for gun | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
rights. They are united in the belief that gun ownership make them | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
safer. This month they have cause for celebration. A federal appeals | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
court has overturned the Illinois ban on concealed carry. I have | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
rifles, shotguns, handguns, I'm also a certificated firearms | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
instructor for shotgun and rifle, I have used that in our Boy Scout | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
training programmes, and in today's world that right to protect | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
onesself is still very important to our culture as a whole. If you look | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
in our cities here, your violent crime, your gun crime is much worse, | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
but they have the strictist gun laws, people aren't -- strictest | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
gun laws, people aren't allowed to own firearms, it is illegal in the | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
city. You go to the rural areas where people have firearms, they | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
have the right to use them and they know how to use them, crime is very, | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
very low. Especially violent crime and especially murders. | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Today they are learning how to build their own gun at home. It is | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
an AR-15, one of the most common, publicly available, Assault Rifles | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
in America. More than two million of them have been sold in the last | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
ten years. The AR-15 was useded in both the Newtown shootings last | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
month, and in the Colorado movie theatre shootings last July. If I | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
can do it, anybody here can do it, I assure you. I have chosen to | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
teach my son and my wife about firearms and firearm safety, | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
because they are going to need that skill in life. The world can be a | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
very dangerous place. If there is a 5% chance that there is going to be | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
a gun incident used against you, I want my family to be prepared for | :20:19. | :20:29. | |
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that 5%. If it is a 2%, I want them to be prepared for 2%. But it is | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
about far more than self-defence. From the priories of Illinois in | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
the Midwest, to the endless parched plains of Texas, owning a gun is an | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
expression of a certain idea of what it is to be an American. The | :20:54. | :21:03. | |
idea of an empowered citizenry, self-reliant, independent, free. We | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
Europeans forget how prominently the idea of the frontier features | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
in the American imagination, the role it has played in shaping the | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
American character. There is nothing comparable in the European | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
experience. The pioneers who pushed west from the eastern sea board, | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
not that long ago, and tamed all of this, not only built a new nation, | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
they also forged a radically different kind of citizenship. They | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
did it in a sense with a copy of the US constitution and the Bill of | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
Rights in the one hand, and a rifle in the other. You don't have to be | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
a gun fanatic to see there is an enduring and intimate connection | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
between the right to bear arms and the liberty of the individual, as | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
many Americans conceive it. This is not so in Europe, think of all | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
those British pubs called The King's Arms, that is a mark of how | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
we think about guns, that they belong properly to the king, the | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
state or nobody else. That idea, that the state should hold a | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
monopoly on armed force is profoundly unAmerican. | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
Whenever the prospect of gun control is back in the news, | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
Americans flock to the gun stores to stock up. Sales rise | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
dramatically, as gun owners seek to pre-empt a possible ban. Gun shops | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
are everywhere. There are four- times as many gun retailers as | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
there are McDone's restaurants. This is the biggest of the kind in | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
the country. These guns are all ready to go on the Internet. We do | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
a big internet business, these are both antique and modern guns. | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
of these historic pieces date back to the 17th century. They contain a | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
striking narrative, the story of how American history has been | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
shaped by the gun. The American Republic owes its very existence to | :22:48. | :22:56. | |
a revolt in 1776, by armed citizens. They called them Minute Men, they | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
were people who were individual volunteers who had their own | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
personal shotguns or rifles used for hunting and so forth, much like | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
this Kentucky rifle here, this would have been an example of one | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
of those guns. The Kentucky rifles played an important part in that. | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
You had individual militias and so forth, formed for the purpose of | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
protecting themselves against Indians and so forth, as it turns | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
out, in the ousting of the British from the United States, they had to | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
arm themselves. Without this fact of an armed citizenry, America | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
wouldn't have won its incompetence? Absolutely not. I don't think King | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
George would have been happy to say, take it away. In Europe we seem to | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
have accepted the idea that only the state, only the authorities | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
should legitimately use violence? My response to that would be people | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
in Europe have been kow towed to the point, over a period of years, | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
that they don't know that they are missing all of these rights that we | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
have over here. We have had that right for so long, it has become | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
ingrained in the American spirit and the American culture, if you | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
want to say that. And it's not something that's easily changed. | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
you think we are less free than you? I think you are, I think the | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
Europeans are very much less free than we are. | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
That fusion of guns and freedom makes gun control politically | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
explosive. For it turns any restriction on gun ownership into | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
an attack on liberty theself. An attack on the founding ideal of the | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
American Republic. It is an equation that turns the state into | :24:35. | :24:45. | |
:24:45. | :24:51. | ||
the enemy of the people. Has hare rorld, northern Texas, population | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
is 80. Children from throughout the counties come here. After a series | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
of shootings elsewhere in America, the education authority here felt | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
compelled to take matters into their own hand. They decided that | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
some of the school teachers should carry concealed weapons in the | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
classroom. No-one knows which teachers are armed or how many, and | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
no-one asks. Do you feel safer now? Absolutely. | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
I have two of my own children here, still in school. It making me feel | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
better, if I ever have to be gone for business or for, or away from | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
the school building, that they are protected. What will happen to an | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
armed gun man that breaks into the school? They will be shot, | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
hopefully, best case scenario. That's the best thing we can hope | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
for. This America views gun control with profound suspicion, even fear. | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
It is an America where there is much dark talk of Barack Obama, and | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
the emerging tyranny of liberal values. In this America, the right | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
to bear arms is the last defence of the people against an overbearing | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
and oppressive state. If you hear the rhetoric coming from the White | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
House, they are talking about mob rule, they love petition, they love | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
a lot of people signing petition, it shows them that the majority | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
want this. He even talks about the mandate he has. He has a mandate | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
from the people to basically do whatever he wants to do. No he | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
doesn't, he has a mandate to be elected as President, not to | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
rewrite the constitution. You are genuinely frightened of the | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
Government, and the dangers implicit for that? Big Government | :26:33. | :26:43. | |
:26:43. | :26:43. | ||
is responsible for many of the horrors of history. 100 million | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
Americans have guns at home, 47% of the adult population. How do you | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
eradicate the danger of that when, in the mind of so many, guns are | :26:53. | :27:02. | |
synonymous with the basic freedoms on which America is founded. In | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
case you are hearing strange noises in the studio tonight, that is the | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
excellent chef, Henry Harris, of the restaurant Racine, preparing | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
horse meat from us for later. Something that differentiates us | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
from the friends over the channel. This is another. Two days ahead | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
from his supposed big speech on Europe, David Cameron set out today | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
what could be part of the Conservative battle plan at the | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
next election, he said voters will be able to choose between taking | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
powers back through the Tories, or Labour handing over powers to | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
Brussels. Ed Miliband taunted the Prime Minister that he was losing | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
control of the Conservative Party. In a moment we will hear how it is | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
seen from one of Britain's strongest allies in Europe, Sweden. | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
First, when a Conservative group called Fresh Start demanded a | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
significant repatriation of powers from Brussels, we assess the | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
politics and the dangers which lie ahead. | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
Being Prime Minister means you are never short of advice, pushing you | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
and pulling you in different directions. And, with Mr Cameron's | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
big speech coming up on Friday on Europe, that is what's on | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
everyone's minds. His backbenchers, the other party leaders, and, of | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
course, other countries. They want to know details, what is Mr | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
Cameron's vision for Europe, and how does he propose to achieve it T | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
the problem is, nothing he says will satisfy everybody, and there | :28:26. | :28:33. | |
is a real danger he might not satisfy anyone! Not surprisingly, | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, in the Commons today, of not keen to | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
help Mr Cameron out. At a time when there are one million young people | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
out of work, and we have businesses going to the wall, what is he doing, | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
he spent six months to create a speech to bring five years of | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
uncertainty for Britain. When it comes to Europe, it is the same old | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
Tories, a divided party, and a weak Prime Minister. What we see from | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
his position, he wants absolutely no change in the relationship | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
between Britain and Europe, and he doesn't believe the British people | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
should be given a choice! What do Mr Cameron's backbenchers want to | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
hear? There is a range of opinion. Some want the UK to have a | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
referendum before any negotiations begin? I think the referendum needs | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
to be held this parliament to get the British people to buy into the | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
idea that we need to negotiate a new relationship. I think that is | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
the true of the British people. We need to demonstrate it is, so that | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
when our Prime Minister goes to Brussels, it is not just the leader | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
of the biggest minority party in the House of Commons saying this, | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
it is the national leader, who has maybe 80% of the British people | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
voting in a referendum to say, yes, we want that new relationship, yes | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
it must be based on trade, and no it shouldn't be common Government | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
of the kind emerging in Euroland. Mr Cameron is clear that any | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
referendum would not come until after negotiations. He's not clear | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
what a "no" vote in that referendum would mean. Does it mean we leave | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
the EU automatically, some of his backbenchers think that keeping | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
that unclear is not credible. have suggested to the PM two things, | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
very briefly, one, whatever commitment he gives, and I | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
personally, we hope the commitment has to be believable, that is why | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
we have suggested legislation in the parliament, secondly, a | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
referendum, we would hope, would have to be credible, and have an | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
out option on it. Whatever the in option is after renegotiation. | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
Today, Mr Cameron got another set of ideas from a group of | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
Conservative MPs called Fresh Start. The pref fis to their document | :30:36. | :30:44. | |
written by the preface of their document is written by the Foreign | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
Secretary. They don't want Mr Cameron to start making threats to | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
the EU. Genuinely what people want to see, and colleagues in | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
parliament want to see, is a real effort to renegotiate a better deal | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
for Britain. So that we don't want to want to wall -- fall out with | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
the rest of the EU or stand alone among 27 states, we want a better | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
deal for Britain, that works for the EU, and give them what they | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
want to see, which is greater fiscal union for European countries. | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
To see how poisonous the politics are for David Cameron, let's skip | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
forward to the end of the negotiations with European partners. | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
Assuming they are successful and Mr Cameron gets a deal, he comes back | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
and gets a referendum. He's oblige, of course, to campaign for a "yes" | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
vote, what does his party do? Some euro-sceptics are likely to be | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
unsatisfied, they will push for a "no" vote, and there are those who | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
want out of the EU all together, and they will campaign for a "no" | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
vote, what Mr Cameron will do is have a Europe referendum where he | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
has engineered his party to be split, and the unofficial | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
Conservative position is the polls are right on the wrong side of | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
public opinion. One of the things the public are most concerned with, | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
indeed, one of the reasons behind the rise of UKIP is EU migration, | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
that is unlikely to be touched on in any of the future negotiations. | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
You can do some things to that, to, for example, make it harder for EU | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
migrants to come here and claim benefits. But to strike down on the | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
entire area would be a fundamental rewriting of the treaties, this is | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
one of the founding principles of the EU. I don't think the Tories | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
can and should go there, but they can try to manage it a bit better. | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
Mr Cameron's big speech in the mether lands on Friday, has even | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
come to the attention of Taiwan's animators, you don't need to speak | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
the language to work out how difficult they think his position | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
is. Sweden, like Britain, is in the European Union, but outside the | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
eurozone. Sweden, like Britain, has seen a growth of the Euro- | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
scepticism, and Sweden, like Britain has a centre-right-led | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
Government. How did they view what is going on within the Conservative | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
Party? I caught up with Sweden's Finance Minister, who is on a visit | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
to London. Minister, I just wondered how you | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
view the prospect that Britain could actually end up leaving the | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
European Union? For Sweden it is a very worrying prospect. We need the | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
UK at the heart of the European co- operation. The UK is part of a | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
dynamic and growing Europe, and normally Sweden and the UK tend to | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
have the same views on openness, competitiveness and free trade. For | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
us it is very worrying that the British debate seems to be sliding, | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
where you almost accidentally might be leaving the European Union. | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
that what you worry about, not that it is a deliberate act, but it may | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
go that way by accident almost? Politically processes are very | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
difficult to control. For us, the UK is a score ally, and also, I | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
think, from a Swedish-British perspective, London is the | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
financial centre of Europe, if the UK is sliding out of Europe, I | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
can't really see how London can play such a crucial role as it do | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
both for the UK and Sweden and the rest of Europe. Do you worry about | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
the uncertainty, it is a very uncertain time for British business, | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
who certainly complain they want to know what is going to happen? | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
think that is a clear problem. When I meet the Swedish internationals, | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
nobody is talking about the European Union issue for the UK, | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
only three to six months ago, today it is an issue that is brought up | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
in my conversation, where they are asking me what will happen, and | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
can't they leave, are they really seriously considering this. I think | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
that uncertainty is quite problematic for Britain. However, | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
Sweden has the own problems with the European Union sometimes, there | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
are some things that you don't like. I wondered, as a very good friend | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
of this country, what you feel might be practical or possible in | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
terms of can you go back over the past, and renegotiate certain | :34:59. | :35:09. | |
:35:09. | :35:09. | ||
things. Can you say policing policy, criminal justice, perhaps some | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
things with paying benefits to migrant that is come here, that | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
those things are possible to renegotiate? We have to listen to | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
what the British Government is saying here, and fundamentally we | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
are supportive of a solution that would make it possible for the UK | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
to stay in the union. But this is a negotiation between the 27 member | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
states, so I think one should be realistic of the difficulty we are | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
facing here. As you know the US State Department has suggested that | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
the real role for Britain has to be as a strong player in the EU as you | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
want, and as David Cameron says he wants. They also suggest that even | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
the process of a referendum can lead to countries turning inward. | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
You had a referendum on the euro, do you feel that is what happens, | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
your country turned inward, we may turn inward if we have a | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
referendum? Referendums tend to be very close to a 50-50 score between | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
the voters. Obviously accidents can happen in a referendum campaign, | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
and so, therefore, there is an uncertainty here. For us, who are | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
close to Britain, who are reliant on the British voice to be at the | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
table when we are talking about openness and competitiveness, this | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
is an uncertainty that is worrying for us. Just a final point, the | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
biggest picture within Europe, really, it is not just the British | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
who have certain reservations about Europe, there is a degree of | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
uncertainty all across Europe, about what kind of Europe we are | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
going to be living in five years time. I wondered what your thoughts | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
are? You made it absolutely clear you wanted Europe of a 27, but we | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
will have a multi-speed Europe, and we already have, in a way? | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
deeply worried that some of the voices in the Franco-German debate | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
are indicating they want a fully fledged fiscal and banking union. | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
There are very few citizens supporting that, that would divide | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
Europe between one area and the rest. I strongly believe in the | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
European Union as a world function -- well-functioning 27 member-state. | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
That is why you want Britain at your side? Most definitely, for us | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
it is a key point that Britain stays in Europe, it is a strong | :37:20. | :37:26. | |
voice, on the same side as us when it comes to flexibility, dynamics | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
and openness. Thank you very much minister. | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
News that horse meat has been found in burgers on sale in British | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
supermarkets of on the front page of some newspapers today. But not | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
everyone was alarmed, on Twitter, some vegetarians pondered why meat | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
eaters are prepared to eat cows and sheep, even occasionally deer and | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
rabbit, but go into deep shock taking a bite out of a pony. Beyond | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
the mislabelling of horses beef, is it British to not want to dine on | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
some animals, while happily chewing on others. I have never eaten horse | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
before, Henry Harris is chef and owner of the restaurant Racine. | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
He's preparing a bit of beef and horse for us. They look similar, | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
are they easy to cook? They are, the horse, darker, cooks the same | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
way as a beef steak. You will cook up as Steve Smith serves up a bit | :38:24. | :38:34. | |
:38:34. | :38:35. | ||
of an advertiser for us. ( Black Beauty Music) I don't know | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
about you, but I like my burgers measured in pounds, not hands. | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
That is why we have come here to Lingfield Park, where they | :38:44. | :38:52. | |
appreciate horse flesh in the old fashioned way. We found grown men | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
so distraught over horse burgers that they were weeping into their | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
betting slips. I won't lie, there were a lot of long faces. I think | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
when you are a child, to see a horse or a donkey or anything, you | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
always seem to, from being a child, always want to ride them. Is that | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
true for you? It was for me, yes. The first thing I ever rode was a | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
donkey on Blackpool sands when I was a kid. Did you place? No it | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
wasn't a raise. What do you think about the British attitude to | :39:24. | :39:32. | |
horses? We are rather fond of them, aren't we? Yeah, I don't want them | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
in my hamburgers. What are the odds on finding a bookie from Tasmania, | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
who has sampled exotic sweet meats? It is like kangaroo in Australia, | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
if you like a wallabee, it is tasty for those who want that. What does | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
that taste like? It has a different twaes, I wouldn't say it is -- | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
Taste, I wouldn't say it is a sweet taste, but you have to be switched | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
on to like and appreciate it. British love their horse, William | :40:03. | :40:10. | |
Shakespeare attributed to Richard 3, the battle of 1885, "my horse, my | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
horse, my kingdom for a horse", you have Black Beauty right up to Dick | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
Turpin. Horses have been revered throughout the centuries, we had | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
the plough horse pulling the plouings, there is an affection for | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
horse, and no eating of horses. Hang on a minute. Horse meat is | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
rapidly becoming part of Britain's diet. There was a moment in our | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
history, a folk memory we have all but suppressed. It is estimated | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
three-quarters of the horse meat sold goes to the restaurants. | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
Decent men and women tied on the nose bag for rare horse because of | :40:53. | :41:01. | |
shortages and rationing after the war. How does it sound so far Ed? | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
Pretty sad. Ever since Mr Ed and other four-legged friends got their | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
own shows, few of us could bring ourselves to look a horse steak in | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
the eye. Back at Lingfield Park, I'm not | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
saying it is getting foggy, but the starter is using flares. What do | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
you eat before a race? Well, she's carrying nine stone seven, and I'm | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
claiming seven, I could eat whatever I wanted today. That is | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
brilliant. You have had lots of cake? Plenty of Wheetabix. | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
wouldn't have a horse burger? Nothing like that. If I were to | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
take you to a fast food outlet and offer you on the BBC a horse burger, | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
or part there of, what would you say? I would be absolutely appalled, | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
and so would anybody in this country. The thought of us going in | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
and having a horse meat burger on BBC hospitality, surely it would | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
never stoop to that level. We will soon find out. Henry has been | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
cooking up the horse and beef, and with us is the food critic Rose | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
Prince. The first thing to say is getting hold of this was very | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
difficult. We were able to get in London very easily, zebra, insects, | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
all kinds of things you can eat, but getting that is tricky. Does it | :42:19. | :42:25. | |
surprise you? No, not at all. Most people, there is this misconception | :42:25. | :42:32. | |
that we shouldn't be eating horse. I think there is the whole pet | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
conotations, and companionship hors give people that puts them off. You | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
go to the continent, Italy are the largest consumers of horse meat, | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
they don't have the same connection and they appreciate it for more its | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
cullinary rather than companion qualities. While you are letting it | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
settle for a second, I will bring you in. Exotic meats provided the | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
meat for us, it was tricky to get it. The core of this particular | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
story is about mislabelling, if you go into buy beef you don't want | :43:06. | :43:14. | |
horse in it? Nobody should adult ate beef, if you buy beef it should | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
be beef. This is a terrible story about the food industry, I hope | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
somebody gets to the bottom of it and sorts it out. It appears to | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
have gone on for some time. have eaten horse before? I have, | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
only once in the UK. I went to dinner with somebody in the West | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
Country. They produced horse, they did warn us. They claimed they had | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
been buying it regularly from Market Street holder on the street | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
corner who kept it under the counter. It is not illegal? For the | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
reasons Henry has given, people find it unacceptable. The taboos | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
given in the and what Henry has said are true. We are very spoilt, | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
we can choose what we eat. When you look back to war time and to when | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
the French started to eat horse when the revolution started. The | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
arris crates had it first. They ate it out of need. It is one of those | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
meats that falls into the catagories sometimes. It had | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
supposedly health-giving properties, it is supposed to be low in fat? | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
Dismissing it is in conflict that we are always looking for healthy | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
meats these days. Horse meat has very little fat in it. As you can | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
see by locking at it. I don't know if you want to have a try? I don't | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
know if my family would forgive me. You will have some? Maybe I should | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
pour some wine. To be honest I would rather have the horse meat | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
than the BBC wine. That is another story! There we go. What wine | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
actually goes with this Henry, do you think? Because it is so rich in | :44:53. | :44:59. | |
iron, you want something that is sun baked, a good southern French | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
Rhone would be a good companion for it. I'm not sure it fits into that | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
category. I have forgotten which one is which? The darker red one is | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
the horse meat. I'll have a Government That is the interesting | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
thing, how this got into burgers is it would actually improve the | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
assurance of a burger, adding it to the meat. You would certainly make | :45:19. | :45:26. | |
it look leaner, you would make it look like you were getting more. | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
is excellent, it tastes like the best steak, it isn't very faty. I | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
take it nobody comes into your restaurant, a great French | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
restaurant, do you have any horse? Occasionally people ask for it, but | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
the logistics of buying a decent quantity from France, importing it | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
to sell to one person and having kilos left, it doesn't make sense. | :45:49. | :45:56. | |
Will we ever change our habits, we love horses, wonderful animals, we | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
love horse racing, we won't go down the French route whatever. It is | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
unlikely, in the same way in France it is rarer and rarer to find T if | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
you Google horse butchers, there used to be one hundreds and | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
hundreds, now there is one or two, it is disappearing, because | :46:14. | :46:20. | |
people's tastes change. You don't think it will change in Britain? We | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
eat zebra, apparently? I think it is something, it falls into a | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
category of foods which will always be taboo, because of our | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
relationships with hors being so strong. We quite enjoy knocking the | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
French. They eat disgusting things like terrible things like snails | :46:39. | :46:45. | |
and frogs legs. It belongs in those catagories of what the | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
unsophisticated people do and we don't. I will continue to be | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
unsophisticated. That is it for Newsnight. We will see which of the | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
team surrounding us can be tempted by a bit of horse. We will be back | :46:55. | :47:05. | |
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by a bit of horse. We will be back again tomorrow. Good night Hello | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
there, another cold evening, cold night, widespread frost, central | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
eastern areas. Dense fog in the east of England. Further west | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
patchy rain and snow over the Welsh mountains. That split will continue | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
through the day. Brightness through northern parts of England, once the | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
low cloud and mist has broken up. A few patches around the vale of York, | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
Lyndonshire and towards East Anglia. Most of central England will be dry | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
and bright. Thicker cloud could produce light snow, nothing to | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
concern us at this stage. Further south and west, greyer skies, | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
strengthening breeze, bringing patchy rain. Slight snow over the | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
moors, across the Welsh mountains, starting to feel increasingly cold | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
as the wind picks up. As is the case in Northern Ireland, we will | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
see more in the case of rain and drizzle through the day. Away from | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
the far west, dry and bright, with sunny spells around. Some freezing | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
throughout. The south-easterly wind continues to strengthen, | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
interacting with the rain band. Snow developing over the hills here. | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
Around the coast of south-west England and Walesment for the | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
morning rush hour on Friday, western England and Wales, there | :48:36. | :48:40. |