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$:/STARTFEED. Born in Britain, educated in Britain, yet they hated | :00:12. | :00:19. | |
this country so much they wanted another 9/11 of terror and murder. | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
The three key players in a terrorist bomb plot made in | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
Birmingham face life imprisonment. Have the security forces turned a | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
corner in the fight against extremism. We will hear from the | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
experts about the battle on home- grown terror. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
Most of Europe think he's a clown, a crook or a dirty old geezer, or | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
all of the above. As he plans yet another comeback, what is Italy's | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
strange love affair with Silvio Berlusconi. | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
They are fascinated, they love him, they laugh. They cannot really, | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
they should be angry with him, because actually he destroyed our | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
country. Oscar Pistorius is in the dock, but now it is the prosecution | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
that is on trial. South Africa's extraordinary murder case gets even | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
more bizarre. And, what does it take to get a | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
bright young woman to become an engineering. Has the profession got | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
an image problem? Your typical man in their overalls coming to fix a | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
washing machine and asking for a cup of tea. | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
Good evening, MI5 and West Midlands Police have broken apart a | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
terrorist plot so serious in its ambition, that hundreds of innocent | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
British people could have died. Part of the plan was to detonate | :01:37. | :01:45. | |
bombs in crowded areas, and attack the plotters in way that would be | :01:45. | :01:53. | |
far greater than the London 7th of July bombings, which claimed 52 | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
lives. We hear of the change in counter | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
terrorism strategy that may have helped disrupt the plot. First, the | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
plotters themselves, fanatical in their aims, but at times | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
incompetent in their abilities. It was the day that 52 innocent | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
commuters lost their lives to the bombs of radical Islamists. For | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
these three man, Irfan Khalid, Irfan Naseer and Ashik Ali, | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
convicted today of 12 counts of preparing acts of terrorism, the | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
events of the 7th July 2005 were, in fact, a disappointment. Terror | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
on too small a scale. From their own words, they were quite critical | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
of the 7/7 bombers and the fact they didn't kill enough people. | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
They wanted this to be their 9/11. The evidence retrieved from the | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
plotters safe house demonstrates their deadly intent. Including | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
setting off up to eight bombs in rucksacks and possibly other bombs | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
on timers. They also posed as street collectors for the charity | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
Muslim Aid. So fraudulently raise �13,500. But a series of hair | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
brained plots, and the loss of �9,000 of their funds trading on- | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
line, led Ashik Ali, one of the convicted men, to remark to his | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
estranged life, "you think this is a flipping Four Lions, we are one | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
man short". It is very simple, you eat your SIM card. The Lions film | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
tells of incompetent terrorist wannabes, but the reference | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
underestimates the gang's fanatical desire to murder and maime. None of | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
this detracts from a number of realities. They were able to go | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
abroad and connect with Al-Qaeda, and record video, receive some form | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
of training, which they then came back to the UK to put into play. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
All these things have very serious. That they did things on the side | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
that were typically clownish and with a fine fine-element, are par | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
for the course for these sorts of plots. The trial is a reminder that | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
British cities like Birmingham have a disaffected few who could present | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
a radical threat and terrorist danger in the future. Birmingham | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
broadly needs to take seriously the threat that emerges from | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
radicalised young men. I'm really comfortable that I stand shoulder- | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
to-shoulder with key political leaders of Birmingham City council, | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
we are working over the long-term to stop today's ten-year-olds being | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
tomorrow's residents of Belmarsh or other high-security prisons. With | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
growing instability in the Middle East and North Africa, some experts | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
are concerned that a new front in the radicalisation of young British | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
Muslims is about to be opened. Syria is, I think, the case which | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
has the potential to have most direct implications in the UK at | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
the moment. Because there is a body of young British Muslims who are | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
being radicalised here in the UK who are electing to go over there | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
and join with groups that are fighting the Assad regime, some of | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
whom are secular, some are not. Some have connections with Al-Qaeda | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
in Iraq. From a security perspective, this presents a | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
dangerous problem. Last summer's Olympics presented the Security | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
Services with their biggest-ever challenge. In part, thanks to an | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
emergency deployment of troops and the positioning, alarming to some, | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
of surface-to-air missiles on the top of a local tower block, the | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
event went off without incident. This, combined with today's | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
successful prosecutions, gives the impression of a threat that's under | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
control.P even if that is true, -- even if that is true, the threat, | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
does indeed remain. For some perspective on the | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
significance of the case I'm joined by Huband, who has published a book | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
on the fight against terrorism by terrorist agencies. First Richard | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
Watson, I suppose MI5 and counter terrorism police officers must be | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
pleased with how this has turned out? I think absolutely, this is a | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
big success for the police and MI5. If you look back we haven't had a | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
successful attack on the UK since 2050 now, 7/7, which claimed so | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
many lives. That has to be put in the context of probably one | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
credible attack plan per year since 2001. Every single year, that is | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
what sources are telling me at the Security Service. So, clearly, many, | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
many plots have been thwarted. Largely, this is down to the fact n | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
my view, that MI5 has a closer understanding now of the extremist | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
networks. They can penetrate those networks and put them under | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
surveillance in a much more efficient fashion. Undoubtedly it | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
has been a big success for the Security Service. As you know, the | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
IRA used to say they only have to be lucky once, you have to be lucky, | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
meaning the Security Services, every time. What keeps these people | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
awake at night worrying about future threats? They won't be | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
complacent about this. Even though their penetration and understanding | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
of the networks is a lot greater today than it was in 2003, when the | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
actual knowledge was very, very poor. It is not impossible that | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
there will be a clean skin coming through, or an attack not on the | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
radar. An attack is still possible. One sourced said to me today, it is | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
a kind of stalemate here. We have a situation where the Security | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
Service and the police are penetrating and monitoring plots | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
that are far earlier in their stage, but the aspiration from the | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
extremists is still there to actually carry out these plots. | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
Also, I think, we have to look at the wider picture here. A few years | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
ago, 90% of MI5's resources were tide up with Pakistan. I'm told by | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
sources that today that figure is close to 50%. So a marked | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
difference. Largely because the drone attacks in Pakistan and | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
Afghanistan tribunal areas. That is having a very -- tribal areas. That | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
is having a very significant effect. What is keeping the Security | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
Services awake at night is the changing nature of the threat. It | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
is shifting away from Pakistan and Afghanistan towards North Africa, | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
the mabgreb, Somalia and Syria. That changing nature of the threat | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
is very significant, I'm told that between 50-80 British nationals | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
have travelled to Syria to join the insurgents. The key issue for the | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Security Services is, what happens when they come back to the UK as | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
British citizens. They will be battle-trained, and that means they | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
present a far greater danger in the future. Beginning with the Security | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
Service and counter terrorism just to kick off with. How much better | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
are they at it now, how much more focused and how has that changed | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
since 2005? I think a lot better. They would be the first to | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
acknowledge that they had huge problems prior to the July 7th | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
bombings in 2005. They were, frankly, playing catch-up. They | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
were in a position where they didn't know what kind of threat | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
they were facing. They were in a position where the process of | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
infiltrating potential plots had proved pretty much impossible. They | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
were also in a position where, in the global scheme of things, they | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
were still fighting alongside the United States in the global war on | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
terror. Only when they were very -- there were very major changes to | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
all these different aspects did they start to be effective. The | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
first thing was to say to the Americans we can't fight a global | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
war on terror with you any more because we have a big problem at | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
home and we need to be dealing with that. The steps that followed, | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
certainly before the July bombings in 2050, which were certainly | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
accelerated after that, involved in particular MI5 creating regional | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
offices in different parts of the UK. Which brought them, as Richard | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
has just said, very much closer to the ground level. So in Birmingham, | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
in this case, and other places. The real shock to most people is | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
this is home-grown, British people, British educated, brought up in | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
Britain. They go to Pakistan for training some of them, but they | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
come back here and try to do something terrible here. Where is | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
the source of this hatred of what this country stands for. What is | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
being done to counter that? I think there are certainly different | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
aspects. Certainly the profiling of the terrorist is something that has | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
been done a great deal over a long period of time. Certainly since | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
9/11, trying to work out what is it that radicalises an individual, | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
trying to work out what radicalises one individual but not another, | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
even if they have been to school together and in the same community. | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
Personality play as role, individual responses play a role. | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
Whether it is the case that somebody from a broken home, or who | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
has been unemployed for a long time, within that community, is more | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
likely to be radicalised than somebody else. Remains, frankly | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
pretty uncertain. It is not the case that there is one profile. I | :10:57. | :11:04. | |
think that it is the issue of hatred the issue of personality, it | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
is very much a personal thing as social and community based. What | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
about the nature of the plot. It would have been devastating if some | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
of this had happened. On the fringes of it there were thoughts | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
of putting poisonous hand cream on things so people would die. Or | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
getting a car or truck driving into a crowd in such a way to injure | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
them. It is very evil but it also sounds strange? The logistics of | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
the whole thing. The hand cream is resonant of the Ricin plot, a you | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
foo years ago, it was thought this -- a few years ago, it was thought | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
this poison that was developed in a flat in North London, it was | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
thought it would be distribute bid putting it into cream and then | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
smeared on the bannisters of underground stations and all sorts | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
of other things. The issues with regard to how to carry out the | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
attack have not become particularly sophisticated. Clearly it was | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
rucksacks and so on, which were also being considered. Just a final | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
thought, what more do you think needs to be done in terms of the | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
kind of threat Richard was talking about. It is changing all the time. | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
It mutates, different language, different ethnic groups, different | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
groups of people who seem to be involved? Clearly the process of | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
surveillance, identifying individuals, essentially very | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
important and keeping the community and the Muslim community on side. | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
Encouraging people in the Muslim community to talk to the | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
authorities and the police about what is taking place within their | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
own communities is absolutely essential. In a way it is more of | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
the same. This is clearly what has happened today. It is a great | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
success in many ways. Clearly a plot was thwarted, but the evidence | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
gathered was also credible as evidence. So these people have gone | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
to jail as a result. There are some pretty important steps that have | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
been taken. In a moment, the latest | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
extraordinary twists in the Oscar Pistorius trial. The prosecution | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
becomes the accused. Now, here's a bit of a puzzle, | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
Silvio Berlusconi. All across Europe the former Italian Prime | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
Minister is regarded as a music hall joke. In Italy he's loathed by | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
millions, but many regard him as a Lost Prince, the saviour who can | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
redeem their country from the awful ordinary politicians. Since | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
Berlusconi has more comebacks since Frank Sinatra and is planning | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
another in elections this weekend, we wanted to try to explain his | :13:35. | :13:45. | |
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appeal. If that is the right word. The man of a smile and a tan, that | :13:46. | :13:56. | |
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never seemed to fade. Silvio Berlusconi has a lot to grin about. | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
His billion-dollar business emmire, decade-younger fiance, and Phoenix | :14:02. | :14:12. | |
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from the ashes return to politics in Italy's election campaign. | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
Despite 20 years of financial, sexual and political scandals, | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
millions of Italians say they will vote for Silvio Berlusconi now, as | :14:22. | :14:30. | |
before. Why? Outside Italy this is what we think of when we hear the | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
name "Silvio Berlusconi", luxury, flashy villas, this one known for | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
hosting his bunga-bunga parties, accompanied by other ageing | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
influential men. Cavorting with scores of scantily dressed young | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
women. We think of the famous gaffes, such as praising Mussolini | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
on Holocaust memorial day. But there is a large part of the | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
Italian electorate that has a very different image of the man. | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
This is where Silvio Berlusconi was born. Milan, where Italy's business | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
heart beats. And where he made his fortune in property, football and | :15:08. | :15:16. | |
media. It's also a key battleground in this weekend's election. Back in | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
1994, when Silvio Berlusconi entered the world of politics, he | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
promised to share his recipe of glitz, glamour and success, with | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
the rest of Italy. But the party here is very much over. The | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
eurozone's third-largest economy is in serious trouble. Mr Berlusconi | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
was uncermoniously booted from Government 18 months ago. His | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
political career apparent low in tatters. Now he's campaigning for - | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
- apparently in tatters. Now he's campaigning for a comeback. | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
Promising a fairytale ending for Italian families. People here are | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
listening. So how has he managed this remarkable resurrection from | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
the political dead? In the heart of many Italians Berlusconi will never | :16:02. | :16:11. | |
die. He's really like Mr Peron in Argentina. The nature of the | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
relations between Berlusconi and his voters is not rational, it is | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
an emotional relationship. How? the sense that he's a sort of | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
Emperor. He's a sort of king. We are looking for a king. We were not | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
a democracy in the MoD he were sense of the determine, we are | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
inbetween, in the middle between a modern democracy and a more ancient | :16:38. | :16:47. | |
political form. In previous elections Silvio | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
Berlusconi relied pretty heavily on the cult of Berlusconi. Just look | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
at the video from his 2008 campaign for re-election. With this | :16:57. | :17:07. | |
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insistent refrain, "thank goodness for Silvio"! | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
But now, possibly a little chastened by being ousted mid-term | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
from Government, and by the growing public distaste for his private | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
conduct, Mr Berlusconi is pushing his economic message rather more. | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
His flamboyant image a little less. Silvio Berlusconi knows the economy | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
is on all Italians' minds. Living costs here are some of the highest | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
in Europe. So are the levels of tax evasion, by the way. Lost tax | :17:37. | :17:45. | |
revenues in Italy are thought to be equivalent to 18% of GDP. Bergamo, | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
like Milan, is part of the northern Lombardy region. People are still | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
relatively well-off, compared to the mystery in Italy's south. But | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
the bitter chill of economic hardship bites here too. | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
TRANSLATION: I would love to see Berlusconi live on the wage of the | :18:03. | :18:12. | |
average Italian, he has noed idea. He wouldn't last an hour-and-a-half. | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
TRANSLATION: I hope he can keep to his programme to create jobs, | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
remove the taxes introduced recently and pay back the money we | :18:19. | :18:28. | |
have already paid out. Berlusconi? TRANSLATION: Berlusconi is a great | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
businessman. He has built a media empire. If he wins the election I | :18:31. | :18:41. | |
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hope he will do for Italy what he has done for himself. But Silvio | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
Berlusconi has already been Prime Minister three times. While his own | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
fortunes prospered, Italy's economy nose-dived. Critics say he turned a | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
blind eye to the structural reforms Italy so needs. You won't notice it | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
when walking down Rome's splendid streets, but protectionism, | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
corruption and red tape mean it is tough to do business here. Worse in | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
Italy, according to the World Bank, than in Belarus and Monday goalia. | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
But a growing number of -- Mongolia. But a growing number of Italians | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
blame the euro for their pain, rather than Silvio Berlusconi. Ever | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
the populist, Berlusconi has added a sharp euro-sceptic tone to his | :19:27. | :19:35. | |
campaign. And this is his favourite pulpit, the television studio. Mr | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
Berlusconi knows 80% of Italians get their news and information from | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
television. He owns three of Italy's biggest TV channels. In the | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
lead up to this election he has appeared almost daily on all the | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
others. TV presenter, Giovanni Floris, is a household name in | :19:53. | :20:03. | |
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Italy, he says Berlusconi is the master of the medium. TRANSLATION: | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
He bases a significant part of his power on his ability on television. | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
Of course it has helped him a lot that half of the television | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
stations long to him, and he has influence over the other half. He | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
uses the media to speak with his many people as possible. His | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
strongest talent is making Italians believe he has understood their | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
problems. When he talks about returning what they have paid in | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
property tax. As a journalist you want to bring him back to reality, | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
but his skill lies in peddling dreams as reality. | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
Silvio Berlusconi's opponents say his agenda is more insidious. They | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
accuse him of using his media influence to silence critics and of | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
being in politics primarily to keep himself out of jail. Mr Berlusconi | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
says he's innocent. But over the years his legal woes have been | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
considerable. This is a political satirist, her | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
scathing sketches have often been censored in Italy. After 20 years | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
of Berlusconi we don't have culture any more, we don't have a sense of | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
freedom any more. Sabina Guzzanti is just finishing a film about | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
corruption, nothing new in Italy. But she blames Silvio Berlusconi | :21:18. | :21:25. | |
for lowering the moral tone of her country. When you live in a big | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
mess with this big scandal every day, ever day, involving everyone, | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
every level of institutions, people get used to this. There is no wrong | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
and right any more. In this election period, even the people | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
supposed to hate them they are fascinated. They love him, they | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
laugh. They cannot really, they should be angry with him, because | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
actually he destroyed our country and our culture, he destroyed every | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
bit of dignity we used to have. But they don't. | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
Perhaps so many Italians have had that reaction to Silvio Berlusconi | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
because they are deeply disillusioned with politics in | :22:10. | :22:20. | |
general. It is carnival time in Viareggio, Tuscany. Even here | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
Italian leaders are derided. They are mocked as infantile, accused of | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
leading the country a merry dance and of emptying ittal y'allian | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
profits while they enrich themselves with kickbacks. Aside | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
from their politicians, many Italians have little faith in their | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
political system. It was put in place after Mussolini to make sure | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
no-one person or party could turn Italy into a dictatorship. Good in | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
theory, in practice it means no Italian Prime Minister has the | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
clout to deliver tough political reforms. It has given birth to a | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
culture of arragiarsi, finding your way around the system. Silvio | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
Berlusconi is a master at that, and many here admire him for it. | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
Deborah Bergamini is an MP for Berlusconi's People of Freedom | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
Party, and a close all lie. She says non-Italians are unjustly | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
dismissive of Silvio Berlusconi and his supporters. To the truth you | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
should be Italian. You should live in this country which are the main | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
problems. The media circles have decided that Berlusconi is not | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
acceptable. The other option is you believe that Italians are all | :23:35. | :23:43. | |
stupid. The allegation is he wants political power just for his own | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
self-interest? My experience of the man is if he had looked at his own | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
personal interest he would have been far, far away from politics. | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
That is exactly the contrary of what he decided to do. Wouldn't he | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
have been in jail if he hadn't been in politics? In jail, no way. All | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
the rest about personal interests in politics, again, I have seen the | :24:07. | :24:16. | |
country. I have seen that he's been profoundly hurt by his decision of | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
getting into politics, open face. You can do politics in two | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
different ways. You can put your face on and, how do you say, work | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
openly and clearly, and make your proposition to the country. As you | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
are, or you can do politics in a second line, hidden. That is | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
something that is quite common in Italy. I very much appreciate the | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
fact that he's been very open since the very beginning. | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
Mr Berlusconi is unlikely to win these elections. But this is just | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
another chapter in the long relationship between Silvio | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
Berlusconi and the Italian people. Following the vote, he will remain | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
a strong presence in the Italian parliament, on Italian television | :25:03. | :25:12. | |
and on the streets of Italy. The world knows that Oscar Pistorius is | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
on trial for murder, but today we found out that so is the lead | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
detective in the case, Hilton Botha. Who has been central to the | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
prosecution. Now Detective Botha has been suspended while he fights | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
his own murder charge. After allegedly firing on a mini-bus | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
containing seven people. All this comes as he's also accused of | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
contaminating the crime scene, getting evidence out of witness | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
wrongly, and generally being out of his depth, in the most high-profile | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
case in South Africa for years. Day three of the Oscar Pistorius bail | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
hearing. It has begun to look more like a full trial, and a media | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
circus that has enthralled South Africa and the world. Today's twist | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
being that Detective Hilton Botha, who until now led the inquiry, has | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
been replaced. It became known that he himself is facing seven charges | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
of attempted murder, for apparently opening fire on a mini-bus full of | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
passengers last year. Charges against him have been dropped and | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
reinstated. The police urgently tried to rescue the situation. | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
Today I have come to report to you that the leader of the team is the | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
top detective in Subs. That is Lieutenant General Moonoo. He heads | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
the portfolio. I have also said to you that he will be collaborating | :26:38. | :26:45. | |
with the Head of Police, the provincial commissioner to ensure | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
that they put together a team that is formidable to do this job. | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
it is a development that naturally raises concerns about South African | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
justice. Certainly to be caught in a situation, the prosecutor himself, | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
or the investigating officer himself is facing murder charges is | :27:05. | :27:12. | |
most undesirable. Clearly that shows a malfunctioning in the | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
justice system. This is the latest setback for a prosecution team that | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
seems increasingly in disarray. The prosecution accused Pistorius of | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
pre-meditated murder. He said he fired because he thought there was | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
Anne truder. The now replaced -- an intrude ear, the now replacement | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
for Botha. He had amended his testimony after the defence argued | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
the witnesses he took evidence from were too far away. The prosecution | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
say the police lost track of ambition found in the house. He was | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
also accused of not wearing protective clothing on the crime | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
scene. It is argued that South African police have problems. | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
detectives are facing huge caseloads, it is not uncommon for a | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
detective for carry between 50-100 case dockets at one time. They | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
don't have the facilities needed for their job. They share cars, | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
many are not computer literate. They wait for a long time to get | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
any evidence into the forensic laboratories and back. | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
Pistorius case has been played out in very great detail in the South | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
African press, and on Twitter and other social media sites. With | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
parts of the media initially suggesting he must be guilty. | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
Leading to claims that evidence has been leaked and his right to a fair | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
trial had been undermined. I do worry that there was a rush to | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
convict him. In the public arena and the media in particular in the | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
last few days. You know, when he came to present his case in court, | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
in the last day or two, it became clearer than his guilt was not that | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
clear. That it was at least disputed. So I do think that in | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
terms of assuming his innocence until proven guilty there has been | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
some prejudicial coverage. Britain the press would be accused | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
of breaking sududecy rules, why not in South African? For one thing | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
there is no jury system in the country. It was abolished in 1969 | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
in the apartheid era. It is argued that judges are less likely than | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
juries to be influenced by what they read in the press. There was a | :29:26. | :29:32. | |
further change in 2007, with the supreme Court of Appeal decision | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
that the right to a fair trial had to be weighed against the right of | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
freedom against expression. means thaw don't have people not | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
trained in law looking at the evidence. Our judges generally will | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
only make decisions based on the evidence before them, and the facts | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
that are presented before them and the law and the precedent that the | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
law interprets that evidence. Of course there are mistakes, we do | :29:55. | :30:01. | |
have problems now and then. These are usually picked up in appeals in | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
the higher courts. Today was good news for Oscar Pistorius and his | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
legal team. After the initial media conslaught, they may feel events | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
are moving their way. And it is argued he may have advantages not | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
enjoyed by other South Africans on murder charges. The conditions on | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
which remand prisoners are awaiting trial if they don't get bail are | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
truly appalling. We have serious overcrowding in our remand prisons. | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
So with Oscar Pistorius, because of his particular conditions and his | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
wealth, you will see the best of the system there. For many other | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
South Africans it is a much, much harsher system. The Oscar Pistorius | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
bail hearing continues tomorrow. For some expert thoughts on how the | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
South African legal process is doing, I'm joined from Cape Town by | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
William King a senior advocate at the Cape Bar, the equivalent of a | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
queens counsel in England. How do you make of the prosecution's | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
handling of this so far, including the lead detective, Hilton Botha? | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
Very unfortunate is the immediate thought. No system of justice could | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
properly deal with something of that magnitude happening to it. The | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
police investigation also. We are not familiar with your system, it | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
does looks a if the prosecution is rushing into this, unprepared. Even | :31:30. | :31:40. | |
:31:40. | :31:42. | ||
though this is a bail hearing. It looks to us a bit like a full trial. | :31:42. | :31:50. | |
Unfortunately it is, because of the Owen news on -- the onus on the | :31:50. | :32:00. | |
:32:00. | :32:01. | ||
defence to prove certain facts that will allow him to come out of jail. | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
Those circumstances are exceptionally difficult to prove. | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
That necessitates a hearing to show those exceptional circumstances. | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
Oscar Pistorius has tried to show that the state case is weak. He | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
will in all likelihood, in due course, be acquitted or found | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
guilty of a lesser offence. That would justify him being released on | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
bail. I just wondered under South African law, how bad it looks for | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
Mr Pistorius. That he shot through a door with someone at the other | :32:32. | :32:42. | |
side in his own home? The defence would be one of self-defence, I | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
would think. Oscar Pistorius would claim there was an open window. One | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
had claimed through, locked themselves, or hidden in the | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
bathroom, with the intention of attacking him. Unfortunately in | :32:53. | :33:00. | |
South Africa, we have this crime wave. We have people that are | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
getting in and attacking others, and criminals are the order of the | :33:04. | :33:11. | |
day in every day life. So people are paranoid. They take, like Oscar | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
Pistorius, they take extreme measures to safeguard their homes, | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
and these types of accidents happen. Very much like the battered wife | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
syndrome. Where you have a person that is placed in a situation with | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
a violent person around him, around her, and then she is left to deal | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
with this. So therefore she's always called what we would think | :33:33. | :33:41. | |
of as Jane Bond, because she has a license to ki. I would presume | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
Oscar Pistorius would start with the same defence. He is the person | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
under siege, and he's entitled to take extreme measures to defend | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
himself because of what is happening in the broader community. | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
I'm sure everybody in South Africa is aware that the whole world is | :33:57. | :34:07. | |
:34:07. | :34:07. | ||
interested in this and watching it. I wondered how much pressure the | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
South African legal system and people will feel to get this right? | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
I would think extreme pressure. With the world looking on at how | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
the justice system works you would expect that the investigation | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
wouldn't have been rushed. It was. It was quite clearly undercooked. | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
The investigating officer himself would appear to be the wrong choice. | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
Now hopefully the team assembled will do it right. The inherent | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
facts remain the same. So I believe that this case has a long way to | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
run still. I'm sure that in due course the justice system will be | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
able to show that it is up to the task. Thank you very much for | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
talking to us. Before the end of the programme we | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
will have tomorrow's front pages. But first, the Business Secretary, | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
Vincent Cable, has suggested that more women should go into | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
engineering, to help solve the skills shortage in a vital part of | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
the British economy, and listened the idea that engineering is a | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
dirty-hands business for blokess, with a lot of pens hanging out of | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
their shirt pockets. Nine out of ten engineers are men, but need it | :35:18. | :35:28. | |
:35:28. | :35:29. | ||
always be like. That Cars, conveyor-belts and robots, | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
usual boys stuff, or are they? For these teenage girls this is more | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
than just a tour. It is an attempt by Jaguar-Land Rover to encourage | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
young women to consider a career in engineering. Those in the industry | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
say it is suffering from a huge gender imbalance. With men make up | :35:46. | :35:53. | |
more than 90% of its work force. When I say "engineer" to you, what | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
pops up in your mind? Your typical man in their overalls, fixing the | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
washing machine and asking for a cup of tea at the same time. What | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
about you? It is very physical and dirty, maybe sometimes you go home | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
in covered overalls. Sometimes you would see a man. It is very male- | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
dominated, I would say. 20% of the UK's advanced engineering and | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
manufacturing work force is female. Compared to 49% for all other | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
sectors. Only 6% of professional engineers today are women. Research | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
suggests misconceptions about the industry are turning many women off. | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
Those in the industry say they are facing a perception challenge. The | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
image of men in boiler suits and hard hats must be diluted if they | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
want to recruit more women to the sector, they say. How to do that is | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
still puzzling those at the top. Even though firms like this one are | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
employing initiatives to increase the number of women, figures | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
suggest over all they are having a limited impact. | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
Since 208, the number of women working in the industry has gone up | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
by just 1%. It is thought that Britain needs to train more than | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
90,000 scientists and engineers over the next four years to replace | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
those who retire. Trainers say there is a skills shortage with | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
more than 300,000 engineers lacking up-to-date qualifications. Women | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
represent a huge opportunity, because right now today, the data | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
says that only a very percentage of women decide to move into | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
engineering disciplines. So to me it just represents a huge untapped | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
resource of talented people out there that we could attract into | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
engineering in the future. Figures show out of those who study | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
engineering at degree level, 85% of them go into paid work or further I | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
hadcation within -- education within six months of finishing | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
their course. Even so, 50% of those who study it choose not to go into | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
the industry, compared to 30% of their male counterparts. What would | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
more women in the sector bring to the table? Women are excellent | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
problem solvers. They can also add an area of multitasking to really | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
drive problems through. Often when in times when you have a difficult | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
problem to tackle, women can bring a different dynamic to the team | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
that is looking at the issue. That is a very important matter. Vincent | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
Cable used a recent trip to an aviation company to urge more women | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
to join the sector. The UK has one of the lowest proportion of female | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
engineers in Europe. He says the Government is working hard with | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
companies to promote the opportunities available by | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
encouraging more school visits to engineering plants. However, he | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
believes part of the problem is some women don't believe they are | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
capable of doing the job. I think in many cases it is lack of | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
confidence. It is an assumption that this is all not for us, and a | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
bit difficult. Actually young women should be told that they probably | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
have as much, if not more potential than men, and should overcome lack | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
of confidence. I think that's one thing we can do is to say, well, | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
there are lots of very good role models out there. | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
Amid a backdrop of a gloomy economy, the UK's engineering sector is | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
expanding. It turned over more than a trillion pounds in the year | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
ending March 2011, almost 25% of the turnover of all UK businesses. | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
But a failure to recruit the right people here could lead to | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
recruiting from abroad. Those in the industry say at a time of high | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
unemployment, doing that would feel very wrong. | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Watching that were the skills minister, Matthew Hancock, and Sue | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
Ion, a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. What do you think | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
the problem is here? The main problem is the number of girls | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
doing physics in school. You have to get them early enough. Once they | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
get to A-level they have already taken a decision to either take | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
physics or not. Unless you do physics you can't do mechanical | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
engineering, you can't do electrical or civil engineering, | :40:22. | :40:29. | |
can you do chemical engineering, it is not mandatory, especially the | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
bioengineering aspects. Physics is hard, that is true? It is, but it | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
is also very exciting. It is no harder than any of the other | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
scientific disciplines. I think there is a real issue in schools in | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
terms of getting girls particularly interested in physics. We are all | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
agreed there is a problem, it affects boys as well as girls, | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
disproportion nationally girls. What is the Government doing about | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
it? -- decision proportionally girls. What is the Government doing | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
about it? There is a problem, and we can't exclude half of the | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
population from the profession. We have a series of proposals on the | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
daibl. We are working with Rolls- Royce and BAe and Network Rail on a | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
specific project to get girls interested at a younger age. You | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
mentioned A-levels is too late. And also support them through. But it | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
is also about that big kalure change. Getting engineering -- | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
culture change. Getting engineering into schools from 14. You can go to | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
college aged 14 instead of 16, and the new university technical | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
colleges are all about getting these sorts of skills in younger so, | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
that we can catch kids when they are enthusiastic. We heard Vincent | :41:40. | :41:49. | |
Cable there say there are a lot of role models. Our guest is one, but | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
can you name others? I will give you a great example, the Apprentice | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
of the Year is called Jenny, working in engineering in Preston. | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
Totally brilliant, and 21 years old. She says because she last gone into | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
an apprenticeship at 18 in engineering, while her friends are | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
at university, she can afford to buy her own car. There are role | :42:12. | :42:18. | |
models out there. Of course when there are far fewer women in senior | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
engineering roles it is incumbent on more of them coming forward to | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
mentor too. Is part of it actually that a lot of teenagers and younger | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
girls don't know what engineering is? They don't know what it is. We | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
heard the prejudice, we heard it there, some bloke fixing the | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
washing machine and demanding a cup of tea? That is a real | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
misconception and we have to do a lot to fix it. A lot of people have | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
no idea what engineering is about. They don't know it is about | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
designing bridges, or about designing and making new heart | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
pacemakers or bionic limbs, or fixing the energy problems by | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
developing new wind or marine turbines or power station, or | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
running new power station, whether nuclear or other. It is about every | :43:06. | :43:15. | |
aspect of life in the 21st century. I noticed, one of the quotes from | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
Professional Engineer Magazine, a woman who loves her job, she says | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
she has been to meetings where because she's the only woman she's | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
thought to be the secretary. There is a degree of that going on that | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
puts women off? That is in the minority rather than the majority. | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
Most industry is more mature in the way it approaches gender within the | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
sector. Other countries do better, don't they. Turkey, women engineers | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
in Turkey in lots of places, China? China and the Eastern Bloc. It is | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
going in the right direction here. Over the last four years there are | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
a third more women applying to go to university to do engineering. | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
The number of apprenticeships in engineering is up 120% in just the | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
last year. Things -- 20% in just the last year. Things are starting | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
to move. I hope the culture block is starting to move. Engineering is | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
problem solving which is something, in my experience, women are | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
brilliant at and just as good as men. And there is absolutely no | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
reason, especially in this high- tech world that there should be any | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
gender divide at all. What was the moment when you said I'm going to | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
be an engineer? I guess I did maths, physics and chemistry. I enjoyed | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
them all. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to pick one out of all of | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
those. For me, at the time a mixture of those subjects, which | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
meant engineering was the right exciting thing for me to do. I have | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
never regreted it. We will leave it there. Thank you very much. | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
Now let's have a quick look at tomorrow morning's front pages. The | :44:50. | :45:00. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 81 seconds | :45:00. | :46:22. | |
That's all from us tonight, we will Good evening. A widespread frost to | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
start the day. We could get as low as a minus 10 in the Highland. More | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
typically minus two or three. With a lot of cloud across the eastern | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
side of the UK. That cloud bringing a few light snow showers. Through | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
the morning and on into the afternoon. Quite grey skies across | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
much of northern England. Cumbria may poke out in something a little | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
bit brighter. There are wintery showers in and around the Wash, | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
nothing too untoward. One or two degrees for Oxford and London under | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
the cloud. It will feel more like minus two or three. A cold | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
afternoon to come here. Cold in the south west in spite of the sunshine. | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
Significant wind chill factor, cold and grey across most of Wales. | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
Cardigan Bay poking out brighter. After grey start in Northern | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
Ireland. Good sunny spells here. After that really cold start to the | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
west of Scotland, it will be sunny for most of the day. Always more | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
cloud in the east of Scotland. Generally speaking a fair bit of | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
cloud around to end the week. A lot of cloud to start the weekend. | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
Notice those temperatures staying at 3, 4 degrees, if you are lucky. | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
There is still a keen breeze blowing across the southern half of | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
the UK. The wind chill factor will come into the play for the first | :47:33. | :47:37. |