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Tonight, tales of hardship and hope Tonight, tales of hardship and hope | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
Tonight, tales of hardship and hope from the frontline of benefit | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
from the frontline of benefit from the frontline of benefit | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
from the frontline of benefit reform. I told them I had cancer, | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
reform. I told them I had cancer, reform. I told them I had cancer, | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
reform. I told them I had cancer, they said they it is not my problem | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
they said they it is not my problem they said they it is not my problem | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
they said they it is not my problem that you have cancer, that I would | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
that you have cancer, that I would that you have cancer, that I would | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
have to do the forms myself. have to do the forms myself. | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
have to do the forms myself. Newsnight has an exclusive glimpse | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
Newsnight has an exclusive glimpse Newsnight has an exclusive glimpse | :00:29. | :00:29. | |
behind the scenes at the Citizens behind the scenes at the Citizens | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
Advice Bureau, increasingly picking Advice Bureau, increasingly picking | :00:31. | :00:31. | |
Advice Bureau, increasingly picking Advice Bureau, increasingly picking | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
up the pieces when the state can't or won't. | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
or won't. or won't. | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
or won't. The staff at the bureau raise money | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
The staff at the bureau raise money The staff at the bureau raise money | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
through sponsored walks and raffles through sponsored walks and raffles | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
through sponsored walks and raffles so we could meet that immediate | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
so we could meet that immediate so we could meet that immediate | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
need. I hope people don't think need. I hope people don't think | :00:43. | :00:43. | |
need. I hope people don't think need. I hope people don't think | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
that is Big Society, that is what that is Big Society, that is what | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
that is Big Society, that is what the state should be about. | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
the state should be about. the state should be about. | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
the state should be about. Have you heard the one about banks | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Have you heard the one about banks Have you heard the one about banks | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
Have you heard the one about banks who get Government money to lend to | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
who get Government money to lend to who get Government money to lend to | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
businesses and then don't. It is businesses and then don't. It is | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
businesses and then don't. It is businesses and then don't. It is | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
businesses and then don't. It is not a joke and it is not funny. So | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
not a joke and it is not funny. So not a joke and it is not funny. So | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
does the Business Secretary get it? does the Business Secretary get it? | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
does the Business Secretary get it? We will find out shortly. | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
We will find out shortly. An astounding possible breakthrough | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
An astounding possible breakthrough An astounding possible breakthrough | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
on HIV-AIDS, the baby ifpb effected on HIV-AIDS, the baby ifpb effected | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
on HIV-AIDS, the baby ifpb effected on HIV-AIDS, the baby ifpb effected | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
by the virus, but now appears to be by the virus, but now appears to be | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
by the virus, but now appears to be sured. Is this really the medical | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
sured. Is this really the medical sured. Is this really the medical | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
advance the headlines would have us believe. | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
believe. believe. | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
Also tonight, Sound City. We got Also tonight, Sound City. We got | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
Also tonight, Sound City. We got Also tonight, Sound City. We got | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
there and it was a total dump, we there and it was a total dump, we | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
there and it was a total dump, we recorded one song and we realised | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
recorded one song and we realised recorded one song and we realised | :01:16. | :01:16. | |
recorded one song and we realised why this place was so special. The | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
why this place was so special. The sound was incredible. | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
sound was incredible. # Entertain us | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
# Entertain us # Entertain us | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
# Here we are now # Here we are now | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
# Entertain us # Entertain us | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
# Entertain us # Entertain us | :01:27. | :01:27. | |
Nirvana's Dave Grohl on why the old Nirvana's Dave Grohl on why the old | :01:28. | :01:37. | |
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Nirvana's Dave Grohl on why the old Good evening, part of the idea | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Good evening, part of the idea Good evening, part of the idea | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
behind David Cameron's Big Society behind David Cameron's Big Society | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
behind David Cameron's Big Society was that volunteers would help make | :01:43. | :01:43. | |
was that volunteers would help make was that volunteers would help make | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
was that volunteers would help make Britain better in all kinds of ways. | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
Britain better in all kinds of ways. Britain better in all kinds of ways. | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Well, of course, they have been Well, of course, they have been | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
Well, of course, they have been doing precisely that for years. | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
doing precisely that for years. doing precisely that for years. | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
Some might say, for centuries. One Some might say, for centuries. One | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
organisation in particular, organisation in particular, | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
organisation in particular, Citizens Advice, has been a back | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
Citizens Advice, has been a back Citizens Advice, has been a back | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
Citizens Advice, has been a back stop for millions of us over the | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
stop for millions of us over the stop for millions of us over the | :01:57. | :01:57. | |
years. While demand for their years. While demand for their | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
years. While demand for their services has gone up massively in | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
services has gone up massively in services has gone up massively in | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
the past few years, funding has the past few years, funding has | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
the past few years, funding has been cut. With reforms to welfare | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
been cut. With reforms to welfare been cut. With reforms to welfare | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
under way, citizens advice foresees under way, citizens advice foresees | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
under way, citizens advice foresees greater demand, including from some | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
greater demand, including from some greater demand, including from some | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
of Britain's most vulnerable people, of Britain's most vulnerable people, | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
of Britain's most vulnerable people, those terminally ill from cancer. | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
those terminally ill from cancer. those terminally ill from cancer. | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
those terminally ill from cancer. We have been given access to one | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
We have been given access to one We have been given access to one | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
Citizens Advice Bureau in Coventry. Citizens Advice Bureau in Coventry. | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
Citizens Advice Bureau in Coventry. We have documented some of the | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
We have documented some of the We have documented some of the | :02:25. | :02:25. | |
We have documented some of the lives of the people that they help | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
there. there. | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
there. there. | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
I have been a volunteer in the I have been a volunteer in the | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
I have been a volunteer in the I have been a volunteer in the | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
bureau for almost ten years. I'm 75. bureau for almost ten years. I'm 75. | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
bureau for almost ten years. I'm 75. bureau for almost ten years. I'm 75. | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
I was a miner for around about 20- I was a miner for around about 20- | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
I was a miner for around about 20- 25 years. My daughter's on | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
25 years. My daughter's on 25 years. My daughter's on | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
reception, I have also a grandson reception, I have also a grandson | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
reception, I have also a grandson that volunteers here on a Wednesday. | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
that volunteers here on a Wednesday. that volunteers here on a Wednesday. | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
He's still at school. Number two He's still at school. Number two | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
He's still at school. Number two please? Number two? We have about | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
please? Number two? We have about please? Number two? We have about | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
100 volunteers, and about 50 paid 100 volunteers, and about 50 paid | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
100 volunteers, and about 50 paid staff now. We have had massive | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
staff now. We have had massive staff now. We have had massive | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
increase in the people coming to increase in the people coming to | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
increase in the people coming to increase in the people coming to | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
see us, in the last three or four see us, in the last three or four | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
see us, in the last three or four see us, in the last three or four | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
years, we have had a 300% increase years, we have had a 300% increase | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
years, we have had a 300% increase years, we have had a 300% increase | :03:16. | :03:17. | |
in the people using the service. in the people using the service. | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
in the people using the service. have handed out the tickets today, | :03:19. | :03:19. | |
have handed out the tickets today, have handed out the tickets today, | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
have handed out the tickets today, we can offer you information if you | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
we can offer you information if you we can offer you information if you | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
we can offer you information if you like. A lot of people in the | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
like. A lot of people in the like. A lot of people in the | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
like. A lot of people in the waiting room have just had one or | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
waiting room have just had one or waiting room have just had one or | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
two incidents of bad luck. Actually two incidents of bad luck. Actually | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
two incidents of bad luck. Actually they are finding that perhaps the | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
they are finding that perhaps the they are finding that perhaps the | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
state isn't there to help them state isn't there to help them | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
state isn't there to help them state isn't there to help them | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
through the few months or couple of through the few months or couple of | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
through the few months or couple of years of struggling to help them | :03:35. | :03:35. | |
years of struggling to help them years of struggling to help them | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
years of struggling to help them get back on their feet. Today I | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
get back on their feet. Today I get back on their feet. Today I | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
will possibly see ten people. Are will possibly see ten people. Are | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
will possibly see ten people. Are you getting pension credit at the | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
moment? moment? | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
moment? moment? | :03:46. | :03:46. | |
There could be all manner of things There could be all manner of things | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
There could be all manner of things they have come in for, | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
they have come in for, relationships, debts, benefits. | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
relationships, debts, benefits. relationships, debts, benefits. | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
relationships, debts, benefits. I like stress and work, I couldn't | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
I like stress and work, I couldn't imagine life without something, | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
imagine life without something, imagine life without something, | :04:05. | :04:05. | |
imagine life without something, some work to do. It just keeps me | :04:05. | :04:14. | |
some work to do. It just keeps me some work to do. It just keeps me | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
some work to do. It just keeps me going. I Mary, just to let you know | :04:15. | :04:15. | |
going. I Mary, just to let you know going. I Mary, just to let you know | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
your client is here, thank you, goodbye. | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
goodbye. goodbye. | :04:19. | :04:19. | |
goodbye. I think what you are receiving at | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
I think what you are receiving at I think what you are receiving at | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
the moment is the disability living the moment is the disability living | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
the moment is the disability living the moment is the disability living | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
allowance, and what you need to be allowance, and what you need to be | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
allowance, and what you need to be receiving on top that have is | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
receiving on top that have is Employment and Support Allowance. | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
Employment and Support Allowance. Employment and Support Allowance. | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
Employment and Support Allowance. I have been a case work -- worker | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
I have been a case work -- worker I have been a case work -- worker | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
I have been a case work -- worker in Coventry CAB for 23 years. | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
in Coventry CAB for 23 years. in Coventry CAB for 23 years. | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
in Coventry CAB for 23 years. take it month by month. Which is | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
take it month by month. Which is take it month by month. Which is | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
take it month by month. Which is ideal for me, because too much goes | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
ideal for me, because too much goes ideal for me, because too much goes | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
ideal for me, because too much goes in here I can't store it. Of course | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
in here I can't store it. Of course in here I can't store it. Of course | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
in here I can't store it. Of course not. Basically I got cancer of the | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
not. Basically I got cancer of the not. Basically I got cancer of the | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
prostate, and that's travelled to prostate, and that's travelled to | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
prostate, and that's travelled to prostate, and that's travelled to | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
my spine and damaged my spine now. my spine and damaged my spine now. | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
my spine and damaged my spine now. my spine and damaged my spine now. | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
I went for chemo, I carried on I went for chemo, I carried on | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
I went for chemo, I carried on working, I worked for six months. | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
working, I worked for six months. working, I worked for six months. | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
working, I worked for six months. Taking the chemo they werey as well. | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
Taking the chemo they werey as well. Taking the chemo they werey as well. | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
But that is mind-blowing. That But that is mind-blowing. That | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
But that is mind-blowing. That really knocked me back. I didn't | :05:09. | :05:09. | |
really knocked me back. I didn't really knocked me back. I didn't | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
really knocked me back. I didn't know what I was doing. By the time | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
know what I was doing. By the time know what I was doing. By the time | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
know what I was doing. By the time it was June I didn't know me or | :05:16. | :05:16. | |
it was June I didn't know me or it was June I didn't know me or | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
it was June I didn't know me or anybody, at the end of the day. | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
anybody, at the end of the day. anybody, at the end of the day. | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
anybody, at the end of the day. Even I came down to being suicidal. | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
Even I came down to being suicidal. Even I came down to being suicidal. | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
Even I came down to being suicidal. So, we're going to say that you do | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
So, we're going to say that you do want to claim income-related | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
want to claim income-related want to claim income-related | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
Employment and Support Allowance as Employment and Support Allowance as | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
Employment and Support Allowance as Employment and Support Allowance as | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
well. It means not working any more, well. It means not working any more, | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
well. It means not working any more, and being such an independent | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
and being such an independent and being such an independent | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
person, that really hurts. I have person, that really hurts. I have | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
person, that really hurts. I have always worked and worked hard all | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
always worked and worked hard all always worked and worked hard all | :05:41. | :05:41. | |
always worked and worked hard all my life. Do you know how much rent | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
my life. Do you know how much rent my life. Do you know how much rent | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
you pay? �119.That weekly? Weekly, yeah. | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
yeah. yeah. | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
yeah. I have got nothing coming in now, | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
I have got nothing coming in now, I have got nothing coming in now, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
everything is going out, and I'm everything is going out, and I'm | :05:57. | :05:58. | |
everything is going out, and I'm really starting to, if Mary didn't | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
really starting to, if Mary didn't really starting to, if Mary didn't | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
get me through I wouldn't know get me through I wouldn't know | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
get me through I wouldn't know get me through I wouldn't know | :06:02. | :06:02. | |
where to start. I would be probably where to start. I would be probably | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
where to start. I would be probably on the street now So the | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
on the street now So the on the street now So the | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
declaration is saying that the declaration is saying that the | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
declaration is saying that the information you are giving is | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
information you are giving is correct and complete. | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
correct and complete. correct and complete. | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
I'm working with clients who have I'm working with clients who have | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
I'm working with clients who have I'm working with clients who have | :06:15. | :06:15. | |
cancer. Trying to see them from the cancer. Trying to see them from the | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
cancer. Trying to see them from the beginning to the end, and making | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
beginning to the end, and making beginning to the end, and making | :06:20. | :06:20. | |
sure that any benefit entitlement sure that any benefit entitlement | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
sure that any benefit entitlement is being paid. Rob's not getting | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
is being paid. Rob's not getting is being paid. Rob's not getting | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
is being paid. Rob's not getting what he's entitled to at the moment. | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
what he's entitled to at the moment. what he's entitled to at the moment. | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
I think the benefits system doesn't I think the benefits system doesn't | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
I think the benefits system doesn't meet the needs of people with | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
meet the needs of people with meet the needs of people with | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
cancer. We have had cases where cancer. We have had cases where | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
cancer. We have had cases where people haven't been paid the | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
people haven't been paid the people haven't been paid the | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
correct benefit while they are correct benefit while they are | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
correct benefit while they are alive, and then die, and then | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
alive, and then die, and then alive, and then die, and then | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
alive, and then die, and then obviously we carry on so it is paid | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
obviously we carry on so it is paid obviously we carry on so it is paid | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
to their families. It just seems to their families. It just seems | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
to their families. It just seems wrong that the person who was | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
wrong that the person who was wrong that the person who was | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
entitled didn't actually receive it entitled didn't actually receive it | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
entitled didn't actually receive it in their lifetime. One change we | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
in their lifetime. One change we in their lifetime. One change we | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
in their lifetime. One change we are seeing is people in work are | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
are seeing is people in work are really struggling. And actually | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
really struggling. And actually really struggling. And actually | :07:03. | :07:03. | |
people in work, often the jobs people in work, often the jobs | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
people in work, often the jobs around at the moment are short-term | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
around at the moment are short-term around at the moment are short-term | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
jobs, fixed term contracts, agency jobs, fixed term contracts, agency | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
jobs, fixed term contracts, agency jobs, fixed term contracts, agency | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
work. We are getting more and more work. We are getting more and more | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
work. We are getting more and more people come into the bureau, | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
people come into the bureau, people come into the bureau, | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
requiring food vouchers, because of requiring food vouchers, because of | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
requiring food vouchers, because of requiring food vouchers, because of | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
the high cost of energy bills and the high cost of energy bills and | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
the high cost of energy bills and the high cost of energy bills and | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
so forth and so on. They are not so forth and so on. They are not | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
so forth and so on. They are not so forth and so on. They are not | :07:25. | :07:25. | |
being able to have money left at being able to have money left at | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
being able to have money left at being able to have money left at | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
being able to have money left at the end of the week to get food. | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
the end of the week to get food. the end of the week to get food. | :07:29. | :07:29. | |
the end of the week to get food. found that we had a number of | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
found that we had a number of found that we had a number of | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
clients coming in, week by week, clients coming in, week by week, | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
clients coming in, week by week, clients coming in, week by week, | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
who kind of just needed �20, �10 to who kind of just needed �20, �10 to | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
who kind of just needed �20, �10 to get them through the weekend. It | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
get them through the weekend. It get them through the weekend. It | :07:38. | :07:38. | |
get them through the weekend. It might be there is a delay in | :07:39. | :07:39. | |
might be there is a delay in might be there is a delay in | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
decisions on their benefits or they decisions on their benefits or they | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
decisions on their benefits or they needed some food or something for | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
needed some food or something for their electricity metre, or | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
their electricity metre, or their electricity metre, or | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
something like that. The staff at something like that. The staff at | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
something like that. The staff at something like that. The staff at | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
the bureau a couple of years ago the bureau a couple of years ago | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
the bureau a couple of years ago created a small hardship fund, they | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
created a small hardship fund, they created a small hardship fund, they | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
raise money for it through raise money for it through | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
raise money for it through sponsored walks and raffles to meet | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
sponsored walks and raffles to meet sponsored walks and raffles to meet | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
that immediate need and gap. that immediate need and gap. | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
that immediate need and gap. that immediate need and gap. | :08:00. | :08:00. | |
I hope people don't think that is I hope people don't think that is | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
I hope people don't think that is Big Society, I don't think that's | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Big Society, I don't think that's Big Society, I don't think that's | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
what Big Society should be about, what Big Society should be about, | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
what Big Society should be about, what Big Society should be about, | :08:07. | :08:07. | |
that is what the state should be that is what the state should be | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
that is what the state should be that is what the state should be | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
about. But people do just do it about. But people do just do it | :08:09. | :08:17. | |
because that's what's needed. because that's what's needed. | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
because that's what's needed. because that's what's needed. | :08:19. | :08:19. | |
We are always trying to expand the We are always trying to expand the | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
We are always trying to expand the outreach to make sure we are | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
outreach to make sure we are outreach to make sure we are | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
getting to people who really need getting to people who really need | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
getting to people who really need us. Not everybody having to queue | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
us. Not everybody having to queue us. Not everybody having to queue | :08:26. | :08:26. | |
us. Not everybody having to queue to get in every morning. And people | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
to get in every morning. And people to get in every morning. And people | :08:28. | :08:28. | |
to get in every morning. And people with cancer, a lot of them are | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
with cancer, a lot of them are with cancer, a lot of them are | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
receiving treatment, so we see them receiving treatment, so we see them | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
receiving treatment, so we see them at the hospital. In their homes, | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
at the hospital. In their homes, at the hospital. In their homes, | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
whatever makes it easier for them, whatever makes it easier for them, | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
whatever makes it easier for them, whatever makes it easier for them, | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
really. How are you? A bit poorly. really. How are you? A bit poorly. | :08:39. | :08:39. | |
really. How are you? A bit poorly. So what's been happening since I | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
So what's been happening since I So what's been happening since I | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
So what's been happening since I last saw you? I got talking to the | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
last saw you? I got talking to the last saw you? I got talking to the | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
hospital. Julie-Anne, when I met hospital. Julie-Anne, when I met | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
hospital. Julie-Anne, when I met hospital. Julie-Anne, when I met | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
her, she had been trying to claim her, she had been trying to claim | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
Disability Living Allowance. She Disability Living Allowance. She | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
Disability Living Allowance. She had tried unsuccessfully to claim | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
had tried unsuccessfully to claim had tried unsuccessfully to claim | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
had tried unsuccessfully to claim for benefit herself. I went out and | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
for benefit herself. I went out and completed the applications and | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
completed the applications and completed the applications and | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
completed the applications and luckily she did manage to get the | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
luckily she did manage to get the luckily she did manage to get the | :09:03. | :09:03. | |
luckily she did manage to get the benefit. But it was a real struggle | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
for her. for her. | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
for her. I can't get upstairs to the | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
bathroom. bathroom. | :09:11. | :09:11. | |
bathroom. bathroom. | :09:12. | :09:12. | |
I was asking people for their help I was asking people for their help | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
I was asking people for their help I was asking people for their help | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
to fill in forms, they didn't have to fill in forms, they didn't have | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
to fill in forms, they didn't have to fill in forms, they didn't have | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
to fill in forms, they didn't have the time of day for me at all. I | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
the time of day for me at all. I the time of day for me at all. I | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
the time of day for me at all. I told them I had cancer and they | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
told them I had cancer and they told them I had cancer and they | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
told them I had cancer and they said it is not their problem that I | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
said it is not their problem that I said it is not their problem that I | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
said it is not their problem that I have cancer. That I had to do the | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
have cancer. That I had to do the have cancer. That I had to do the | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
forms myself. They didn't show no forms myself. They didn't show no | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
help for anything. help for anything. | :09:29. | :09:29. | |
help for anything. help for anything. | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
I felt like I was having a nervous I felt like I was having a nervous | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
I felt like I was having a nervous I felt like I was having a nervous | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
breakdown. I had to go to the GP breakdown. I had to go to the GP | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
breakdown. I had to go to the GP breakdown. I had to go to the GP | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
and they had to put me on anti- and they had to put me on anti- | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
and they had to put me on anti- depressants to help me, I was | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
depressants to help me, I was depressants to help me, I was | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
breaking down in tears. Is there breaking down in tears. Is there | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
breaking down in tears. Is there anything else you need other than | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
clothing? Support. clothing? Support. | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
clothing? Support. clothing? Support. | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
I'm on chemo, they say I have only I'm on chemo, they say I have only | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
I'm on chemo, they say I have only I'm on chemo, they say I have only | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
three months to a year to live. three months to a year to live. | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
three months to a year to live. three months to a year to live. | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
Which really hurt me, in a way, Which really hurt me, in a way, | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
Which really hurt me, in a way, because I would have thought they | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
because I would have thought they because I would have thought they | :09:55. | :09:55. | |
because I would have thought they would have tried to help me even | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
more. more. | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
more. more. | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
But, it is really hard. I wanted to But, it is really hard. I wanted to | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
But, it is really hard. I wanted to But, it is really hard. I wanted to | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
get my child benefit and my Child get my child benefit and my Child | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
get my child benefit and my Child Tax Credit over into my partner's | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
Tax Credit over into my partner's Tax Credit over into my partner's | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
Tax Credit over into my partner's name, so when I do pass away it | :10:19. | :10:19. | |
name, so when I do pass away it name, so when I do pass away it | :10:20. | :10:20. | |
name, so when I do pass away it will, he will have the money there | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
will, he will have the money there will, he will have the money there | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
for the children to give them for the children to give them | :10:23. | :10:23. | |
for the children to give them support and everything. Do you have | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
support and everything. Do you have support and everything. Do you have | :10:25. | :10:25. | |
support and everything. Do you have any carers or anybody coming in, or | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
any carers or anybody coming in, or any carers or anybody coming in, or | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
any carers or anybody coming in, or are you just there? No David does | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
are you just there? No David does are you just there? No David does | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
are you just there? No David does it all. He comes and helps me. | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
it all. He comes and helps me. it all. He comes and helps me. | :10:32. | :10:32. | |
you happier with that? I prefer you happier with that? I prefer | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
you happier with that? I prefer you happier with that? I prefer | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
people that I know than I don't people that I know than I don't | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
people that I know than I don't people that I know than I don't | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
know. OK.I still can't cope with know. OK.I still can't cope with | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
know. OK.I still can't cope with know. OK.I still can't cope with | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
it now. I'm finding it hard to it now. I'm finding it hard to | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
it now. I'm finding it hard to comes to terms with what is | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
comes to terms with what is comes to terms with what is | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
happening to me. I'm really, really scared. | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
scared. scared. | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
scared. scared. | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
The wet and dry paper is on my desk, The wet and dry paper is on my desk, | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
The wet and dry paper is on my desk, The wet and dry paper is on my desk, | :10:54. | :10:54. | |
OK! If you haven't got goggles they OK! If you haven't got goggles they | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
OK! If you haven't got goggles they are over here as well. | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
are over here as well. are over here as well. | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
are over here as well. In looking at ways in which we can | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
In looking at ways in which we can In looking at ways in which we can | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
get to people earlier and the get to people earlier and the | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
get to people earlier and the service reach further out into the | :11:04. | :11:04. | |
service reach further out into the service reach further out into the | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
communities we have developed the communities we have developed the | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
communities we have developed the partnership with a number of | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
partnership with a number of schools in Coventry. | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
schools in Coventry. schools in Coventry. | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
schools in Coventry. We have worked with staff in the | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
We have worked with staff in the We have worked with staff in the | :11:11. | :11:11. | |
schools to train them to support schools to train them to support | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
schools to train them to support clients and parents of the children | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
clients and parents of the children clients and parents of the children | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
clients and parents of the children that go to that school. And then | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
that go to that school. And then that go to that school. And then | :11:16. | :11:16. | |
they can refer those clients into they can refer those clients into | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
they can refer those clients into they can refer those clients into | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
the bureau for advice if they need the bureau for advice if they need | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
the bureau for advice if they need the bureau for advice if they need | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
it. Now we have 35 or so schools it. Now we have 35 or so schools | :11:23. | :11:23. | |
it. Now we have 35 or so schools it. Now we have 35 or so schools | :11:24. | :11:32. | |
now working with us on the project. now working with us on the project. | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
now working with us on the project. now working with us on the project. | :11:33. | :11:33. | |
We have dealt with about 51 parents We have dealt with about 51 parents | :11:34. | :11:34. | |
We have dealt with about 51 parents We have dealt with about 51 parents | :11:34. | :11:35. | |
in all. We have dealt with five or in all. We have dealt with five or | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
in all. We have dealt with five or in all. We have dealt with five or | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
six members of staff, we have dealt six members of staff, we have dealt | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
six members of staff, we have dealt with pupils. It could be something | :11:38. | :11:38. | |
with pupils. It could be something with pupils. It could be something | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
with pupils. It could be something as minor as they need a bus pass, | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
as minor as they need a bus pass, as minor as they need a bus pass, | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
as minor as they need a bus pass, and can I apply for it, helping | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
and can I apply for it, helping and can I apply for it, helping | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
them to fill out the application, them to fill out the application, | :11:47. | :11:47. | |
them to fill out the application, to getting evictions stopped. All | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
to getting evictions stopped. All to getting evictions stopped. All | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
confidential. I started off, it was confidential. I started off, it was | :11:52. | :11:52. | |
confidential. I started off, it was confidential. I started off, it was | :11:53. | :11:53. | |
around January last year, and I was around January last year, and I was | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
around January last year, and I was very depressed. I had got a | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
very depressed. I had got a very depressed. I had got a | :11:56. | :11:56. | |
very depressed. I had got a daughter who was at school, who was | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
daughter who was at school, who was daughter who was at school, who was | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
daughter who was at school, who was missing a lot of school through my | :11:59. | :12:00. | |
missing a lot of school through my missing a lot of school through my | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
fault, because you know I wasn't fault, because you know I wasn't | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
fault, because you know I wasn't motivated enough in the mornings to | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
motivated enough in the mornings to motivated enough in the mornings to | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
motivated enough in the mornings to get her up and ready. I had been | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
get her up and ready. I had been get her up and ready. I had been | :12:10. | :12:10. | |
get her up and ready. I had been gambling, I got myself into so much | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
gambling, I got myself into so much gambling, I got myself into so much | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
debt I was being threatened with debt I was being threatened with | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
eviction. Constantly worrying about eviction. Constantly worrying about | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
eviction. Constantly worrying about eviction. Constantly worrying about | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
all the bills, and how I'm going to all the bills, and how I'm going to | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
all the bills, and how I'm going to sort this eviction out, and where | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
sort this eviction out, and where sort this eviction out, and where | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
sort this eviction out, and where we were going to live, what we were | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
we were going to live, what we were we were going to live, what we were | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
we were going to live, what we were going to eat. It got to the point | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
going to eat. It got to the point going to eat. It got to the point | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
going to eat. It got to the point where if I ever had any money I | :12:27. | :12:28. | |
where if I ever had any money I where if I ever had any money I | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
where if I ever had any money I knew if I left the house that I | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
knew if I left the house that I knew if I left the house that I | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
would go and gamble. I can't would go and gamble. I can't | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
would go and gamble. I can't explain what makes do you it, | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
explain what makes do you it, explain what makes do you it, | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
explain what makes do you it, because there is no reason. It is | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
because there is no reason. It is because there is no reason. It is | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
just it shut the world off. just it shut the world off. | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
just it shut the world off. just it shut the world off. | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
The school first got in touch with The school first got in touch with | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
The school first got in touch with me over my daughter's absences. | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
me over my daughter's absences. me over my daughter's absences. | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
They quickly realised there was They quickly realised there was | :12:52. | :12:52. | |
They quickly realised there was something wrong at home. They | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
something wrong at home. They something wrong at home. They | :12:55. | :12:55. | |
something wrong at home. They brought me in and got a Citizens | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
brought me in and got a Citizens brought me in and got a Citizens | :12:57. | :12:57. | |
Advice appointment for me. That Advice appointment for me. That | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
Advice appointment for me. That Advice appointment for me. That | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
then helped me to start to get my then helped me to start to get my | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
life sorted. Everything was life sorted. Everything was | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
life sorted. Everything was confidential, I felt I could open | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
confidential, I felt I could open confidential, I felt I could open | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
up. I actually told them everything up. I actually told them everything | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
up. I actually told them everything up. I actually told them everything | :13:07. | :13:08. | |
that had been going on at home. that had been going on at home. | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
that had been going on at home. They helped me with the | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
They helped me with the appointments that they advised, | :13:11. | :13:11. | |
appointments that they advised, appointments that they advised, | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
they helped me with food. They they helped me with food. They | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
they helped me with food. They they helped me with food. They | :13:15. | :13:15. | |
managed to get me some help towards managed to get me some help towards | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
managed to get me some help towards bedding and beds. Things that I | :13:17. | :13:18. | |
bedding and beds. Things that I bedding and beds. Things that I | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
bedding and beds. Things that I hadn't got. But also they helped me | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
hadn't got. But also they helped me hadn't got. But also they helped me | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
hadn't got. But also they helped me sort my problems out. They got me | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
sort my problems out. They got me sort my problems out. They got me | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
into the counselling, they took me into the counselling, they took me | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
into the counselling, they took me to the gamblers anonymous meetings. | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
to the gamblers anonymous meetings. to the gamblers anonymous meetings. | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
to the gamblers anonymous meetings. It was just an easy connection for | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
It was just an easy connection for It was just an easy connection for | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
me. And knowing some of the me. And knowing some of the | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
me. And knowing some of the teachers, and some of the staff | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
teachers, and some of the staff teachers, and some of the staff | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
teachers, and some of the staff from the school, and you know to | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
from the school, and you know to from the school, and you know to | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
from the school, and you know to have them to help me of great. | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
have them to help me of great. have them to help me of great. | :13:44. | :13:44. | |
have them to help me of great. Come up with three new things you | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
didn't. didn't. | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
didn't. Since we have been delivering this | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
Since we have been delivering this Since we have been delivering this | :13:50. | :13:51. | |
programme of close working with programme of close working with | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
programme of close working with families, and that includes our | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
families, and that includes our partnership with Citizens Advice | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
partnership with Citizens Advice partnership with Citizens Advice | :13:57. | :13:58. | |
Bureau, our basic measures of Bureau, our basic measures of | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
Bureau, our basic measures of Bureau, our basic measures of | :14:01. | :14:01. | |
attainment, if you like five A*s to attainment, if you like five A*s to | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
attainment, if you like five A*s to C including English and maths have | :14:04. | :14:04. | |
C including English and maths have doubled. Perhaps the most | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
doubled. Perhaps the most doubled. Perhaps the most | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
significant thing is the impact it significant thing is the impact it | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
significant thing is the impact it has had on attendance and | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
has had on attendance and persistent absence. Our attendance | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
persistent absence. Our attendance persistent absence. Our attendance | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
has risen from 89% to 96%. has risen from 89% to 96%. | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
has risen from 89% to 96%. My life has completely changed | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
My life has completely changed My life has completely changed | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
around now, my daughter is doing around now, my daughter is doing | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
around now, my daughter is doing around now, my daughter is doing | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
really well in school. I have just really well in school. I have just | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
really well in school. I have just really well in school. I have just | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
really well in school. I have just got us a new house, start a new job | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
got us a new house, start a new job got us a new house, start a new job | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
got us a new house, start a new job next week. I'm going to go back | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
next week. I'm going to go back next week. I'm going to go back | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
into full-time employment. Which is into full-time employment. Which is | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
into full-time employment. Which is what I was originally doing. They | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
vaifd me,ically. vaifd me,ically. | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
vaifd me,ically. -- they saved me basically, that's | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
-- they saved me basically, that's -- they saved me basically, that's | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
-- they saved me basically, that's the truth. I get all emotional now. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
the truth. I get all emotional now. the truth. I get all emotional now. | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
A minister from the Department of A minister from the Department of | :14:51. | :14:51. | |
A minister from the Department of Work and Pensions was not available | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
Work and Pensions was not available Work and Pensions was not available | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
tonight, but in a statement the tonight, but in a statement the | :14:54. | :14:54. | |
tonight, but in a statement the department said the Government is | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
department said the Government is department said the Government is | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
department said the Government is one of the largest funders of CAB | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
one of the largest funders of CAB one of the largest funders of CAB | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
one of the largest funders of CAB in recognition of the work it has | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
in recognition of the work it has in recognition of the work it has | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
in recognition of the work it has been doing over many years in this | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
been doing over many years in this been doing over many years in this | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
been doing over many years in this area. We are ajoined now by Mike | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
area. We are ajoined now by Mike area. We are ajoined now by Mike | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
Dixon assistant chief executive of Dixon assistant chief executive of | :15:07. | :15:07. | |
Dixon assistant chief executive of Citizens Advice, with me also is | :15:07. | :15:08. | |
Citizens Advice, with me also is Citizens Advice, with me also is | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
Christian Guy, director of the Christian Guy, director of the | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
Christian Guy, director of the think-tank the centre for social | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
think-tank the centre for social think-tank the centre for social | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
justice, founded by the Work and justice, founded by the Work and | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, and which was instrumental | :15:17. | :15:17. | |
Smith, and which was instrumental Smith, and which was instrumental | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
in drawing up some of the in drawing up some of the | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
in drawing up some of the Government reforms: I wonder what | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
Government reforms: I wonder what Government reforms: I wonder what | :15:24. | :15:24. | |
Government reforms: I wonder what you thought of that anded kinds of | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
you thought of that anded kinds of you thought of that anded kinds of | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
difficulty people are in and the difficulty people are in and the | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
difficulty people are in and the difficulty people are in and the | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
work of the CAB? Their work is work of the CAB? Their work is | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
work of the CAB? Their work is astounding, and on the frontline of | :15:31. | :15:31. | |
astounding, and on the frontline of astounding, and on the frontline of | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
the most difficult issues around the most difficult issues around | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
the most difficult issues around this country. You only have to | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
this country. You only have to this country. You only have to | :15:34. | :15:34. | |
this country. You only have to watch a video like that to see the | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
watch a video like that to see the watch a video like that to see the | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
range of people they engage with range of people they engage with | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
range of people they engage with range of people they engage with | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
and the level of need there is out and the level of need there is out | :15:38. | :15:39. | |
and the level of need there is out there. Nobody but praise for the | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
there. Nobody but praise for the there. Nobody but praise for the | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
there. Nobody but praise for the work of CAB, it is fantastic. | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
work of CAB, it is fantastic. work of CAB, it is fantastic. | :15:45. | :15:46. | |
there going to be unforeseen there going to be unforeseen | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
consequences with this massive consequences with this massive | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
consequences with this massive welfare reform, whatever we think | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
welfare reform, whatever we think welfare reform, whatever we think | :15:49. | :15:50. | |
about it. That is a different about it. That is a different | :15:50. | :15:51. | |
about it. That is a different debate. There will be problems | :15:51. | :15:52. | |
debate. There will be problems because their workload will | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
because their workload will definitely increase, and their | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
definitely increase, and their definitely increase, and their | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
definitely increase, and their funding has gone down. When you tie | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
funding has gone down. When you tie funding has gone down. When you tie | :15:58. | :15:58. | |
funding has gone down. When you tie something this big you have to set | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
something this big you have to set something this big you have to set | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
up a system that works, certainly up a system that works, certainly | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
up a system that works, certainly up a system that works, certainly | :16:02. | :16:03. | |
for the majority. You have to help for the majority. You have to help | :16:03. | :16:04. | |
for the majority. You have to help for the majority. You have to help | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
people who are part of a minority people who are part of a minority | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
people who are part of a minority people who are part of a minority | :16:06. | :16:06. | |
who will need help to transition to who will need help to transition to | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
who will need help to transition to who will need help to transition to | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
a new way of working, whether it is a new way of working, whether it is | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
a new way of working, whether it is being on-line, whether it is | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
being on-line, whether it is being on-line, whether it is | :16:11. | :16:11. | |
monthly payment, or direct payments monthly payment, or direct payments | :16:12. | :16:12. | |
monthly payment, or direct payments of things like housing benefit. You | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
of things like housing benefit. You of things like housing benefit. You | :16:14. | :16:15. | |
of things like housing benefit. You have to work with that group quite | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
have to work with that group quite have to work with that group quite | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
have to work with that group quite careful low and in a tailored way | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
careful low and in a tailored way careful low and in a tailored way | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
careful low and in a tailored way to meet those needs of the group. | :16:19. | :16:20. | |
to meet those needs of the group. to meet those needs of the group. | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
to meet those needs of the group. What are you worried about in the | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
What are you worried about in the What are you worried about in the | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
What are you worried about in the year ahead? The funding issue is a | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
year ahead? The funding issue is a year ahead? The funding issue is a | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
real issue. For us, as Universal real issue. For us, as Universal | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
real issue. For us, as Universal Credit gets implemented, there are | :16:27. | :16:28. | |
Credit gets implemented, there are Credit gets implemented, there are | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
millions of people who are millions of people who are | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
millions of people who are extremely worried about how this | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
extremely worried about how this extremely worried about how this | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
extremely worried about how this will affect them. One of the issues | :16:32. | :16:33. | |
will affect them. One of the issues will affect them. One of the issues | :16:33. | :16:33. | |
you are saying around monthly you are saying around monthly | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
you are saying around monthly budgeting is going to be really | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
budgeting is going to be really budgeting is going to be really | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
difficult for lots of people. If difficult for lots of people. If | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
difficult for lots of people. If you are paid monthly now, that's | :16:38. | :16:39. | |
you are paid monthly now, that's you are paid monthly now, that's | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
you are paid monthly now, that's like you moving to be paid just | :16:40. | :16:41. | |
like you moving to be paid just like you moving to be paid just | :16:41. | :16:41. | |
like you moving to be paid just three times a year, it is that | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
three times a year, it is that three times a year, it is that | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
scale of shift. And we're concerned scale of shift. And we're concerned | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
scale of shift. And we're concerned that the Government just isn't | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
that the Government just isn't that the Government just isn't | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
putting in place enough support for putting in place enough support for | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
putting in place enough support for budgeting and for helping people | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
budgeting and for helping people budgeting and for helping people | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
really get into making Universal really get into making Universal | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
really get into making Universal Credit work. How can you actually | :16:52. | :16:53. | |
Credit work. How can you actually Credit work. How can you actually | :16:53. | :16:53. | |
prepare people for that. What prepare people for that. What | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
prepare people for that. What should the Government be doing, and | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
should the Government be doing, and should the Government be doing, and | :16:56. | :16:57. | |
should the Government be doing, and what you can do then? We deal with | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
what you can do then? We deal with what you can do then? We deal with | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
hundreds of thousands of people hundreds of thousands of people | :17:00. | :17:00. | |
hundreds of thousands of people every year. It is different for | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
every year. It is different for every year. It is different for | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
different people. But it is simple different people. But it is simple | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
different people. But it is simple things like helping people do a | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
things like helping people do a things like helping people do a | :17:05. | :17:06. | |
budget planner. It is helping budget planner. It is helping | :17:06. | :17:06. | |
people understand where their people understand where their | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
people understand where their income and expenses are going in, | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
income and expenses are going in, income and expenses are going in, | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
coming out. Where they can make coming out. Where they can make | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
coming out. Where they can make savings. Doing it in an interesting | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
savings. Doing it in an interesting savings. Doing it in an interesting | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
savings. Doing it in an interesting and fun way. Just to be clear, you | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
and fun way. Just to be clear, you and fun way. Just to be clear, you | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
are not opposing Universal Credit are not opposing Universal Credit | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
are not opposing Universal Credit are not opposing Universal Credit | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
as such, you are just worried about as such, you are just worried about | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
as such, you are just worried about what the consequences will be? | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
what the consequences will be? what the consequences will be? | :17:21. | :17:22. | |
think it is flagship, really think it is flagship, really | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
exciting and really important exciting and really important | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
exciting and really important reform, that has the potential to | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
reform, that has the potential to be transformative, actually. But | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
be transformative, actually. But be transformative, actually. But | :17:28. | :17:28. | |
be transformative, actually. But the issue is, you can do something | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
the issue is, you can do something the issue is, you can do something | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
the issue is, you can do something very, very bold, but if you don't | :17:31. | :17:31. | |
very, very bold, but if you don't very, very bold, but if you don't | :17:32. | :17:32. | |
very, very bold, but if you don't implement it in the right way and | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
implement it in the right way and implement it in the right way and | :17:34. | :17:34. | |
implement it in the right way and get the details right, then you are | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
get the details right, then you are undermining everything you are | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
undermining everything you are undermining everything you are | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
doing. Does that worry you, it doing. Does that worry you, it | :17:37. | :17:38. | |
doing. Does that worry you, it doing. Does that worry you, it | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
could blow the whole thing out of could blow the whole thing out of | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
could blow the whole thing out of could blow the whole thing out of | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
the water. The lady there who says the water. The lady there who says | :17:42. | :17:42. | |
the water. The lady there who says she has cancer, and nobody is | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
she has cancer, and nobody is she has cancer, and nobody is | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
she has cancer, and nobody is helping me do the forms and CAB are | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
helping me do the forms and CAB are helping me do the forms and CAB are | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
helping me do the forms and CAB are helping me do the forms. Does it | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
helping me do the forms. Does it helping me do the forms. Does it | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
helping me do the forms. Does it worry you that it isn't the say the | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
worry you that it isn't the say the worry you that it isn't the say the | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
worry you that it isn't the say the state -- it isn't the state doing | :17:57. | :17:57. | |
state -- it isn't the state doing state -- it isn't the state doing | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
state -- it isn't the state doing it now? It is like you need a | :17:59. | :17:59. | |
it now? It is like you need a it now? It is like you need a | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
it now? It is like you need a degree to work out all the benefits. | :18:01. | :18:01. | |
degree to work out all the benefits. degree to work out all the benefits. | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
degree to work out all the benefits. The system we have now is a low | :18:04. | :18:05. | |
The system we have now is a low The system we have now is a low | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
base, and universal benefit was to base, and universal benefit was to | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
base, and universal benefit was to make it moreism and realistic. | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
make it moreism and realistic. make it moreism and realistic. | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
Monthly payments of things is a Monthly payments of things is a | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
Monthly payments of things is a really important point. By default | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
really important point. By default really important point. By default | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
I agree with the position of I agree with the position of | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
I agree with the position of monthly payments. The majority of | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
monthly payments. The majority of monthly payments. The majority of | :18:19. | :18:20. | |
salaries, 75% of people in work salaries, 75% of people in work | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
salaries, 75% of people in work salaries, 75% of people in work | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
will get paid on a monthly basis. will get paid on a monthly basis. | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
will get paid on a monthly basis. will get paid on a monthly basis. | :18:25. | :18:26. | |
People on welfare and get a job and People on welfare and get a job and | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
People on welfare and get a job and can't manage the monthly payments | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
can't manage the monthly payments can't manage the monthly payments | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
and crash out. The poorest people and crash out. The poorest people | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
and crash out. The poorest people and crash out. The poorest people | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
across the country are some of the across the country are some of the | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
across the country are some of the best people managing money, they | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
best people managing money, they best people managing money, they | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
have to watch every single pound have to watch every single pound | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
have to watch every single pound have to watch every single pound | :18:36. | :18:36. | |
they spend. If we can get it right, they spend. If we can get it right, | :18:36. | :18:37. | |
they spend. If we can get it right, that is the problem. Some people | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
that is the problem. Some people that is the problem. Some people | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
that is the problem. Some people that is the problem. Some people | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
are not going to be able to get it are not going to be able to get it | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
are not going to be able to get it right? Half of people have said | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
right? Half of people have said right? Half of people have said | :18:42. | :18:42. | |
this will make their life more this will make their life more | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
this will make their life more difficult if you give them monthly | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
difficult if you give them monthly difficult if you give them monthly | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
payments. For me, moving towards payments. For me, moving towards | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
payments. For me, moving towards monthly payments is the best single | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
monthly payments is the best single monthly payments is the best single | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
monthly payments is the best single thing that you could do to expand | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
thing that you could do to expand thing that you could do to expand | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
the Wong, a and payday loan the Wong, a and payday loan | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
the Wong, a and payday loan industry than you could possibly do. | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
industry than you could possibly do. Without putting budgeting support | :19:00. | :19:01. | |
Without putting budgeting support Without putting budgeting support | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
Without putting budgeting support behind it, it will cause a huge | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
behind it, it will cause a huge behind it, it will cause a huge | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
problem. We are working with the problem. We are working with the | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
problem. We are working with the problem. We are working with the | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
problem. We are working with the DWP to try to get that right. It is | :19:06. | :19:07. | |
DWP to try to get that right. It is DWP to try to get that right. It is | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
DWP to try to get that right. It is not there yet. We are worried about | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
not there yet. We are worried about not there yet. We are worried about | :19:10. | :19:10. | |
not there yet. We are worried about it. I think the Government needs to | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
it. I think the Government needs to it. I think the Government needs to | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
it. I think the Government needs to speak for theself on this, I'm not | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
speak for theself on this, I'm not speak for theself on this, I'm not | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
a DWP spokesman, they wouldn't want a DWP spokesman, they wouldn't want | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
a DWP spokesman, they wouldn't want a DWP spokesman, they wouldn't want | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
me to either. If more people turned me to either. If more people turned | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
me to either. If more people turned to the payday loans you can | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
to the payday loans you can to the payday loans you can | :19:24. | :19:24. | |
to the payday loans you can understand that? For a long time we | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
understand that? For a long time we understand that? For a long time we | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
have said you get your monthly have said you get your monthly | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
have said you get your monthly have said you get your monthly | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
payments are not month low they are payments are not month low they are | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
payments are not month low they are payments are not month low they are | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
perhaps every week or two weeks. I perhaps every week or two weeks. I | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
perhaps every week or two weeks. I remember when we transitioned from | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
remember when we transitioned from remember when we transitioned from | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
one week to two-week payments, one week to two-week payments, | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
one week to two-week payments, there was worry there. The | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
there was worry there. The transitional support was helpful. | :19:38. | :19:39. | |
transitional support was helpful. transitional support was helpful. | :19:39. | :19:40. | |
transitional support was helpful. The Government has to get it right. | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
The Government has to get it right. The Government has to get it right. | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
The position should be let's make The position should be let's make | :19:43. | :19:44. | |
The position should be let's make the welfare system more realistic, | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
the welfare system more realistic, the welfare system more realistic, | :19:45. | :19:45. | |
the welfare system more realistic, and a change of culture. If you | :19:46. | :19:46. | |
and a change of culture. If you and a change of culture. If you | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
and a change of culture. If you look at the cost of living, the | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
look at the cost of living, the look at the cost of living, the | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
look at the cost of living, the energy debate, a lot of people are | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
energy debate, a lot of people are energy debate, a lot of people are | :19:50. | :19:50. | |
energy debate, a lot of people are on metres or cards at the poorer | :19:50. | :19:51. | |
on metres or cards at the poorer on metres or cards at the poorer | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
end of society, because they don't end of society, because they don't | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
end of society, because they don't have the guarantee of monthly | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
have the guarantee of monthly have the guarantee of monthly | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
income, and therefore they don't income, and therefore they don't | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
income, and therefore they don't qualify for the cheaper rates and | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
qualify for the cheaper rates and qualify for the cheaper rates and | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
qualify for the cheaper rates and direct debit tarrifs. If we want to | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
direct debit tarrifs. If we want to direct debit tarrifs. If we want to | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
deal with the cost of poverty, deal with the cost of poverty, | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
deal with the cost of poverty, let's give people every chance to | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
let's give people every chance to let's give people every chance to | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
manage their money on a monthly basis. | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
basis. basis. | :20:09. | :20:09. | |
basis. In a moment, good news in the | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
In a moment, good news in the In a moment, good news in the | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
In a moment, good news in the search for a cure for HIV-AIDS. And | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
search for a cure for HIV-AIDS. And search for a cure for HIV-AIDS. And | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
what connects Evil Knevil, kur kob what connects Evil Knevil, kur kob | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
what connects Evil Knevil, kur kob bane and Sound City studios. -- | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
bane and Sound City studios. -- bane and Sound City studios. -- | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
curt Cobane and Sound City studios. curt Cobane and Sound City studios. | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
curt Cobane and Sound City studios. curt Cobane and Sound City studios. | :20:30. | :20:30. | |
The scheme that is supposed to get The scheme that is supposed to get | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
The scheme that is supposed to get banks lending to houses and | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
banks lending to houses and businesses clearly isn't working | :20:33. | :20:34. | |
businesses clearly isn't working businesses clearly isn't working | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
the way the Government or the way the Government or | :20:36. | :20:36. | |
the way the Government or businesses want. Millions of public | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
businesses want. Millions of public businesses want. Millions of public | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
businesses want. Millions of public money is going into the banks and | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
money is going into the banks and money is going into the banks and | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
not coming out to small businesses. not coming out to small businesses. | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
not coming out to small businesses. not coming out to small businesses. | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
In a moment we will hear from In a moment we will hear from | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
Vincent Cable, the Business Vincent Cable, the Business | :20:44. | :20:45. | |
Secretary, first our Economics Editor. | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
Editor. Editor. | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
Editor. What is the problem here? One of | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
What is the problem here? One of What is the problem here? One of | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
the oldest saying in economic. If the oldest saying in economic. If | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
the oldest saying in economic. If the oldest saying in economic. If | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
you push money into the economy, by you push money into the economy, by | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
you push money into the economy, by printing it it or creating or | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
printing it it or creating or printing it it or creating or | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
lending it cheaply, you don't lending it cheaply, you don't | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
lending it cheaply, you don't create effective demand, it is like | :20:56. | :20:57. | |
create effective demand, it is like create effective demand, it is like | :20:57. | :20:58. | |
create effective demand, it is like pushing on a piece of string. It | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
pushing on a piece of string. It pushing on a piece of string. It | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
pushing on a piece of string. It bunches up. In this case it is | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
bunches up. In this case it is bunches up. In this case it is | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
bunching up inside the banks. The bunching up inside the banks. The | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
bunching up inside the banks. The Funding for Lending Scheme, like | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
Funding for Lending Scheme, like Funding for Lending Scheme, like | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
all the predecessors, is meant to all the predecessors, is meant to | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
all the predecessors, is meant to get the banks lending to businesses. | :21:10. | :21:11. | |
get the banks lending to businesses. get the banks lending to businesses. | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
get the banks lending to businesses. It is aimed to get �60 billion | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
It is aimed to get �60 billion It is aimed to get �60 billion | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
extra into lending into the economy. extra into lending into the economy. | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
extra into lending into the economy. Let's look at what is achieved, | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
Let's look at what is achieved, Let's look at what is achieved, | :21:18. | :21:18. | |
Let's look at what is achieved, thank you very much say the banks, | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
thank you very much say the banks, thank you very much say the banks, | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
thank you very much say the banks, they have taken �14 million of the | :21:21. | :21:21. | |
they have taken �14 million of the they have taken �14 million of the | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
cheap money from the Bank of cheap money from the Bank of | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
cheap money from the Bank of cheap money from the Bank of | :21:24. | :21:24. | |
England. The net result in the last England. The net result in the last | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
England. The net result in the last England. The net result in the last | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
quarter is they lent less. So they quarter is they lent less. So they | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
quarter is they lent less. So they quarter is they lent less. So they | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
took �14 billion and they took �2.4 took �14 billion and they took �2.4 | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
took �14 billion and they took �2.4 billion out of the economy by | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
billion out of the economy by billion out of the economy by | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
lending less. The culprits, three lending less. The culprits, three | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
big banks, Santander, formerly big banks, Santander, formerly | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
big banks, Santander, formerly Abbey National, Lloyd's Group and | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
Abbey National, Lloyd's Group and Abbey National, Lloyd's Group and | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
RBS. They together accounted for RBS. They together accounted for | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
RBS. They together accounted for minus �7.7 billion. They lent �7.7 | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
minus �7.7 billion. They lent �7.7 minus �7.7 billion. They lent �7.7 | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
billion less between them than they billion less between them than they | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
billion less between them than they had before. This is offset by | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
had before. This is offset by had before. This is offset by | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
Barclays lending �2 billion and Barclays lending �2 billion and | :21:55. | :21:55. | |
Barclays lending �2 billion and Nationwide lending �2 billion. Some | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
Nationwide lending �2 billion. Some Nationwide lending �2 billion. Some | :21:57. | :21:57. | |
Nationwide lending �2 billion. Some banks are doing it. The banks say | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
banks are doing it. The banks say banks are doing it. The banks say | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
banks are doing it. The banks say it was a bad quarter. The demand | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
it was a bad quarter. The demand it was a bad quarter. The demand | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
isn't there. The usual problems of isn't there. The usual problems of | :22:04. | :22:04. | |
businesses not really credit-worthy, businesses not really credit-worthy, | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
businesses are hopping mad. businesses are hopping mad. | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
businesses are hopping mad. businesses are hopping mad. | :22:08. | :22:09. | |
I think the Government has to get I think the Government has to get | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
I think the Government has to get serious now about the issues with | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
serious now about the issues with serious now about the issues with | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
the banks. There is some systematic the banks. There is some systematic | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
the banks. There is some systematic issues going on here. Where fund | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
issues going on here. Where fund issues going on here. Where fund | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
after fund after fund, from Merlin after fund after fund, from Merlin | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
after fund after fund, from Merlin after fund after fund, from Merlin | :22:20. | :22:20. | |
all the way through for Funding for all the way through for Funding for | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
all the way through for Funding for Lending Scheme now, the banks have | :22:21. | :22:22. | |
Lending Scheme now, the banks have Lending Scheme now, the banks have | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
fallen short. What are the banks fallen short. What are the banks | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
fallen short. What are the banks going to do to enable growth, | :22:26. | :22:27. | |
going to do to enable growth, rather than disabling many | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
rather than disabling many businesses from creating new | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
businesses from creating new businesses from creating new | :22:30. | :22:30. | |
employment and economic value. employment and economic value. | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
employment and economic value. employment and economic value. | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
do you want the Government to do to do you want the Government to do to | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
do you want the Government to do to break that log-jam? I think the | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
break that log-jam? I think the break that log-jam? I think the | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
Government at the highest levels Government at the highest levels | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
Government at the highest levels Government at the highest levels | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
has got to get its act together has got to get its act together | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
has got to get its act together has got to get its act together | :22:40. | :22:40. | |
with the banks. Get them in around with the banks. Get them in around | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
with the banks. Get them in around with the banks. Get them in around | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
in a room and make it very, very in a room and make it very, very | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
in a room and make it very, very clear that these schemes won't be | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
clear that these schemes won't be clear that these schemes won't be | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
allowed any more, unless they are allowed any more, unless they are | :22:46. | :22:46. | |
allowed any more, unless they are prepared to deliver what the | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
prepared to deliver what the prepared to deliver what the | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
schemes are there to deliver. schemes are there to deliver. | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
schemes are there to deliver. schemes are there to deliver. | :22:50. | :22:51. | |
The Bank of England, of course, add The Bank of England, of course, add | :22:51. | :22:52. | |
The Bank of England, of course, add ministers the scheme. What can they | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
ministers the scheme. What can they ministers the scheme. What can they | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
or the Government actually do? or the Government actually do? | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
or the Government actually do? add ministers the scheme. What they | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
add ministers the scheme. What they add ministers the scheme. What they | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
or the Government do? They are or the Government do? They are | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
or the Government do? They are or the Government do? They are | :23:02. | :23:03. | |
charging banks to hold on to money, charging banks to hold on to money, | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
charging banks to hold on to money, charging banks to hold on to money, | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
it is repressive and a tough thing it is repressive and a tough thing | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
it is repressive and a tough thing to do. Vincent Cable has also | :23:08. | :23:09. | |
to do. Vincent Cable has also to do. Vincent Cable has also | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
talked today Lib Dem colleagues talked today Lib Dem colleagues | :23:10. | :23:11. | |
talked today Lib Dem colleagues talked today Lib Dem colleagues | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
about the idea of would it be such about the idea of would it be such | :23:13. | :23:14. | |
about the idea of would it be such -- talked to Lib Dem colleagues | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
-- talked to Lib Dem colleagues -- talked to Lib Dem colleagues | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
-- talked to Lib Dem colleagues about the idea of would it be sow | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
about the idea of would it be sow about the idea of would it be sow | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
bad if RBS would be nationalised. bad if RBS would be nationalised. | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
bad if RBS would be nationalised. bad if RBS would be nationalised. | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
It would be a big repressive tough It would be a big repressive tough | :23:22. | :23:22. | |
It would be a big repressive tough It would be a big repressive tough | :23:23. | :23:23. | |
thing to do, but it might get thing to do, but it might get | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
thing to do, but it might get things going. If you don't take | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
things going. If you don't take things going. If you don't take | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
measures on the supply of money measures on the supply of money | :23:26. | :23:27. | |
measures on the supply of money side, you have to create better | :23:28. | :23:28. | |
side, you have to create better side, you have to create better | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
demand. This is the obsession of demand. This is the obsession of | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
demand. This is the obsession of Government, the creation of a | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
Government, the creation of a Government, the creation of a | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
growth policy that actually brings growth policy that actually brings | :23:35. | :23:36. | |
growth policy that actually brings growth and demand and credit- | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
growth and demand and credit- worthiness among businesses. | :23:38. | :23:38. | |
worthiness among businesses. worthiness among businesses. | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
worthiness among businesses. Whether we are pushing a bit of | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
Whether we are pushing a bit of Whether we are pushing a bit of | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
string, I went to Westminster to string, I went to Westminster to | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
string, I went to Westminster to have a word with the Business | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
have a word with the Business have a word with the Business | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
Secretary, Vincent Cable about all Secretary, Vincent Cable about all | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
Secretary, Vincent Cable about all Secretary, Vincent Cable about all | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
of this. And I asked whether or not of this. And I asked whether or not | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
of this. And I asked whether or not of this. And I asked whether or not | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
he was disappointed in the fall in he was disappointed in the fall in | :23:52. | :23:53. | |
lending? I'm extremely disappointed. lending? I'm extremely disappointed. | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
lending? I'm extremely disappointed. We have to understand the context, | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
We have to understand the context, We have to understand the context, | :23:57. | :23:58. | |
banks have been badly damaged, with banks have been badly damaged, with | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
banks have been badly damaged, with terrible balance sheets full of | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
terrible balance sheets full of terrible balance sheets full of | :24:01. | :24:02. | |
rubbish that they accumulated up to rubbish that they accumulated up to | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
rubbish that they accumulated up to rubbish that they accumulated up to | :24:03. | :24:03. | |
the crisis is. They have been told the crisis is. They have been told | :24:04. | :24:04. | |
the crisis is. They have been told the crisis is. They have been told | :24:05. | :24:05. | |
to hold more capital to be safe. We to hold more capital to be safe. We | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
to hold more capital to be safe. We don't want them falling over again. | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
don't want them falling over again. don't want them falling over again. | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
don't want them falling over again. They have to pay massive fines as a | :24:10. | :24:10. | |
They have to pay massive fines as a They have to pay massive fines as a | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
result of previous bad behaviour. result of previous bad behaviour. | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
result of previous bad behaviour. result of previous bad behaviour. | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
All this gets in the way of what All this gets in the way of what | :24:13. | :24:14. | |
All this gets in the way of what should be the central purpose of | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
should be the central purpose of should be the central purpose of | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
banks, which is getting savings and banks, which is getting savings and | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
channelling them into productive channelling them into productive | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
channelling them into productive lending. Indeed, but if you can't | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
lending. Indeed, but if you can't lending. Indeed, but if you can't | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
bribe them by giving them more bribe them by giving them more | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
bribe them by giving them more bribe them by giving them more | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
money in order that they might lend money in order that they might lend | :24:23. | :24:24. | |
money in order that they might lend money in order that they might lend | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
it, can you bully them into doing it, can you bully them into doing | :24:25. | :24:26. | |
it, can you bully them into doing it, can you bully them into doing | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
it? Is there anything you can do to it? Is there anything you can do to | :24:28. | :24:29. | |
it? Is there anything you can do to it? Is there anything you can do to | :24:29. | :24:30. | |
unblock the log jam, so our money, unblock the log jam, so our money, | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
unblock the log jam, so our money, that is going through them, for | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
that is going through them, for that is going through them, for | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
lending, goes to the businesses lending, goes to the businesses | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
lending, goes to the businesses lending, goes to the businesses | :24:35. | :24:35. | |
that want it? We have to do more that want it? We have to do more | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
that want it? We have to do more than we are currently doing. That | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
than we are currently doing. That than we are currently doing. That | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
than we are currently doing. That is for sure. One of the things we | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
is for sure. One of the things we is for sure. One of the things we | :24:43. | :24:43. | |
is for sure. One of the things we try, and my department is doing, is | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
try, and my department is doing, is try, and my department is doing, is | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
first of all asking the British first of all asking the British | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
Bankers' Association to get Bankers' Association to get | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
Bankers' Association to get detailed data out there, in terms | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
detailed data out there, in terms detailed data out there, in terms | :24:51. | :24:51. | |
detailed data out there, in terms it of net lending to business. By | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
it of net lending to business. By it of net lending to business. By | :24:53. | :24:53. | |
postcard or constituency, so we postcard or constituency, so we | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
postcard or constituency, so we know exactly what they are doing, | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
know exactly what they are doing, know exactly what they are doing, | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
know exactly what they are doing, and we can keep a closer eye on | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
and we can keep a closer eye on and we can keep a closer eye on | :24:59. | :25:00. | |
them. So you can monitor better? them. So you can monitor better? | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
them. So you can monitor better? them. So you can monitor better? | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
Yes, and if we don't get that data Yes, and if we don't get that data | :25:03. | :25:03. | |
Yes, and if we don't get that data Yes, and if we don't get that data | :25:04. | :25:04. | |
we will legislate to get it. The we will legislate to get it. The | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
we will legislate to get it. The Chancellor made it clear last week | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
Chancellor made it clear last week Chancellor made it clear last week | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
Chancellor made it clear last week that he expects RBS, a big giant | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
that he expects RBS, a big giant that he expects RBS, a big giant | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
that he expects RBS, a big giant bank, to stop thinking of itself as | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
bank, to stop thinking of itself as bank, to stop thinking of itself as | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
a global bank, and concentrate on a global bank, and concentrate on | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
a global bank, and concentrate on the British economy and supporting | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
the British economy and supporting the British economy and supporting | :25:15. | :25:15. | |
it. That includes lending to it. That includes lending to | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
it. That includes lending to business. It isn't happening yet in | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
business. It isn't happening yet in business. It isn't happening yet in | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
business. It isn't happening yet in the way we want to. The performance | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
the way we want to. The performance the way we want to. The performance | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
of the semi-state-owned banks have of the semi-state-owned banks have | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
been particularly disappointing, been particularly disappointing, | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
been particularly disappointing, that is the direction that they | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
that is the direction that they that is the direction that they | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
have to go. Indeed because Lloyd's, have to go. Indeed because Lloyd's, | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
have to go. Indeed because Lloyd's, for example, to take another | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
for example, to take another for example, to take another | :25:29. | :25:30. | |
example of a semi-state owned bank. example of a semi-state owned bank. | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
example of a semi-state owned bank. They have received �3 billion to | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
They have received �3 billion to They have received �3 billion to | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
They have received �3 billion to the scheme, but the lending fell by | :25:34. | :25:35. | |
the scheme, but the lending fell by the scheme, but the lending fell by | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
�3.1 billion in the last quarter. �3.1 billion in the last quarter. | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
�3.1 billion in the last quarter. �3.1 billion in the last quarter. | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
Why don't you take a Lloyd, or take Why don't you take a Lloyd, or take | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
Why don't you take a Lloyd, or take RBS, that we already own 82%, | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
RBS, that we already own 82%, completely into public ownership | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
completely into public ownership completely into public ownership | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
completely into public ownership and say this is going to be our | :25:45. | :25:46. | |
and say this is going to be our national lending bank for | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
national lending bank for national lending bank for | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
businesses? It is tempting, I would businesses? It is tempting, I would | :25:51. | :25:52. | |
businesses? It is tempting, I would businesses? It is tempting, I would | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
have advocated we go down that root have advocated we go down that root | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
have advocated we go down that root during the original bank collapse. | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
during the original bank collapse. during the original bank collapse. | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
It would have been simple letter It would have been simple letter | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
It would have been simple letter It would have been simple letter | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
and cleaner if they had been full - and cleaner if they had been full - | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
and cleaner if they had been full - and cleaner if they had been full - | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
- simpler and cleaner if they had - simpler and cleaner if they had | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
- simpler and cleaner if they had been fully owned, like New York, | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
been fully owned, like New York, been fully owned, like New York, | :26:06. | :26:07. | |
instead we have this semi- instead we have this semi- | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
instead we have this semi- arrangement that we have now. To | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
arrangement that we have now. To arrangement that we have now. To | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
move that to public ownership would move that to public ownership would | :26:11. | :26:12. | |
move that to public ownership would regard a large acquisition. The | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
regard a large acquisition. The regard a large acquisition. The | :26:15. | :26:16. | |
shares are still worth something. shares are still worth something. | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
shares are still worth something. shares are still worth something. | :26:18. | :26:19. | |
Less than they were, but we are Less than they were, but we are | :26:19. | :26:19. | |
Less than they were, but we are talking about billions of public | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
talking about billions of public talking about billions of public | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
money to be diverted today that. money to be diverted today that. | :26:22. | :26:23. | |
money to be diverted today that. Not easy. The British Bankers' | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
Not easy. The British Bankers' Not easy. The British Bankers' | :26:25. | :26:25. | |
Association, you have mentioned, it Association, you have mentioned, it | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
Association, you have mentioned, it says that many households and | :26:26. | :26:27. | |
says that many households and says that many households and | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
businesses are looking to pay down businesses are looking to pay down | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
businesses are looking to pay down debts, rather than take on more | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
debts, rather than take on more debts, rather than take on more | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
borrowing. That maying a natural borrowing. That maying a natural | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
borrowing. That maying a natural thing to do given the economic | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
thing to do given the economic thing to do given the economic | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
thing to do given the economic climb mai. But it does suggest that | :26:36. | :26:36. | |
climb mai. But it does suggest that climb mai. But it does suggest that | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
the Funding For Lending keem -- the Funding For Lending keem -- | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
the Funding For Lending keem -- climate. But it does suggest that | :26:40. | :26:41. | |
climate. But it does suggest that climate. But it does suggest that | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
the Funding for Lending Scheme the Funding for Lending Scheme | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
the Funding for Lending Scheme scheme isn't the right thing, | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
scheme isn't the right thing, scheme isn't the right thing, | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
people would rather not borrow. people would rather not borrow. | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
people would rather not borrow. That is still going on, households | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
That is still going on, households That is still going on, households | :26:50. | :26:51. | |
are different. There are heavy are different. There are heavy | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
borrowers and pensioners with borrowers and pensioners with | :26:53. | :26:54. | |
borrowers and pensioners with savings, it varies. It is certainly | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
savings, it varies. It is certainly savings, it varies. It is certainly | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
savings, it varies. It is certainly true the nature of the crisis we | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
true the nature of the crisis we true the nature of the crisis we | :26:57. | :26:58. | |
true the nature of the crisis we got into, is there was a vast | :26:58. | :26:59. | |
got into, is there was a vast amount of personal indebtedness, | :27:00. | :27:01. | |
amount of personal indebtedness, amount of personal indebtedness, | :27:01. | :27:01. | |
amount of personal indebtedness, people are working it down, it is | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
people are working it down, it is people are working it down, it is | :27:03. | :27:03. | |
true for some companies as well. true for some companies as well. | :27:04. | :27:05. | |
true for some companies as well. true for some companies as well. | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
What is crucial to recovery is that What is crucial to recovery is that | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
What is crucial to recovery is that the private sector companies get on | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
the private sector companies get on the private sector companies get on | :27:09. | :27:10. | |
the private sector companies get on and invest and get the capital to | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
and invest and get the capital to and invest and get the capital to | :27:11. | :27:12. | |
and invest and get the capital to do it. At the moment there is | :27:12. | :27:13. | |
do it. At the moment there is do it. At the moment there is | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
enough demand to do more than enough demand to do more than | :27:15. | :27:15. | |
enough demand to do more than businesses currently are doing, but | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
businesses currently are doing, but businesses currently are doing, but | :27:17. | :27:17. | |
they cannot get access to credit. they cannot get access to credit. | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
they cannot get access to credit. they cannot get access to credit. | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
There is a credit supply problem. There is a credit supply problem. | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
There is a credit supply problem. final thought. You were described, | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
final thought. You were described, self-described in today's Times, | :27:26. | :27:27. | |
self-described in today's Times, self-described in today's Times, | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
apparently, as the shop steward for apparently, as the shop steward for | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
apparently, as the shop steward for the union of ministers, fighting | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
the union of ministers, fighting the union of ministers, fighting | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
the terrible George Osborne cuts. the terrible George Osborne cuts. | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
the terrible George Osborne cuts. Perhaps you could elaborate on your | :27:33. | :27:34. | |
Perhaps you could elaborate on your Perhaps you could elaborate on your | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Perhaps you could elaborate on your role as shop steward. There was a | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
role as shop steward. There was a role as shop steward. There was a | :27:37. | :27:38. | |
bit of leg-pulling there. I simply bit of leg-pulling there. I simply | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
bit of leg-pulling there. I simply bit of leg-pulling there. I simply | :27:40. | :27:41. | |
make the point that, like a lot of make the point that, like a lot of | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
make the point that, like a lot of other ministers, we have done very, | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
other ministers, we have done very, other ministers, we have done very, | :27:44. | :27:44. | |
other ministers, we have done very, very deep cuts in my department, it | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
very deep cuts in my department, it very deep cuts in my department, it | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
has been painful, but necessary, it has been painful, but necessary, it | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
has been painful, but necessary, it is a more efficient department. We | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
is a more efficient department. We is a more efficient department. We | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
are also doing some very important are also doing some very important | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
things, skills training, innovation, things, skills training, innovation, | :27:52. | :27:53. | |
things, skills training, innovation, things, skills training, innovation, | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
science and we have to invest more science and we have to invest more | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
science and we have to invest more science and we have to invest more | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
in them, not less. You want more in them, not less. You want more | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
in them, not less. You want more money not less? For some activities. | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
money not less? For some activities. money not less? For some activities. | :28:03. | :28:03. | |
money not less? For some activities. We can all be more efficient and | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
We can all be more efficient and We can all be more efficient and | :28:05. | :28:05. | |
We can all be more efficient and reform, I'm up for that agenda. We | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
reform, I'm up for that agenda. We reform, I'm up for that agenda. We | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
reform, I'm up for that agenda. We have to be sensible. Quite a few | :28:08. | :28:09. | |
have to be sensible. Quite a few have to be sensible. Quite a few | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
spending plans, I'm not speaking spending plans, I'm not speaking | :28:10. | :28:10. | |
spending plans, I'm not speaking for other ministers, but clearly we | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
for other ministers, but clearly we for other ministers, but clearly we | :28:12. | :28:13. | |
value the police, we value the value the police, we value the | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
value the police, we value the frontline services of the army. I | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
frontline services of the army. I frontline services of the army. I | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
fully understand why my colleagues fully understand why my colleagues | :28:17. | :28:17. | |
fully understand why my colleagues are saying there are important | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
are saying there are important are saying there are important | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
are saying there are important things we have to protect. In which | :28:21. | :28:21. | |
things we have to protect. In which things we have to protect. In which | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
things we have to protect. In which case the welfare budget may have to | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
case the welfare budget may have to case the welfare budget may have to | :28:23. | :28:23. | |
case the welfare budget may have to be cut more? There are a whole | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
be cut more? There are a whole be cut more? There are a whole | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
variety of option. There is the variety of option. There is the | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
question of balance between question of balance between | :28:26. | :28:27. | |
question of balance between departments. There is a question | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
departments. There is a question departments. There is a question | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
about the balance between taxation about the balance between taxation | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
about the balance between taxation and expenditure cuts. And whether | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
and expenditure cuts. And whether and expenditure cuts. And whether | :28:34. | :28:35. | |
that is correct. There is welfare, that is correct. There is welfare, | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
that is correct. There is welfare, that is correct. There is welfare, | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
how do you define welfare. Do you how do you define welfare. Do you | :28:38. | :28:38. | |
how do you define welfare. Do you include the Universal benefits like | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
include the Universal benefits like include the Universal benefits like | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
Winter Fuel Allowance, which a lot Winter Fuel Allowance, which a lot | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
Winter Fuel Allowance, which a lot of people feel really are very | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
generous. generous. | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
generous. generous. | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
There has been what looks like a There has been what looks like a | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
most extraordinary breakthrough in most extraordinary breakthrough in | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
most extraordinary breakthrough in most extraordinary breakthrough in | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
the hunt for a cure for HIV-AIDS. A the hunt for a cure for HIV-AIDS. A | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
the hunt for a cure for HIV-AIDS. A baby in the United States, which | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
baby in the United States, which baby in the United States, which | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
was HIV-positive, now awe peers to was HIV-positive, now awe peers to | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
was HIV-positive, now awe peers to was HIV-positive, now awe peers to | :28:56. | :28:56. | |
was HIV-positive, now awe peers to be all but clear of the in-- to be | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
be all but clear of the in-- to be be all but clear of the in-- to be | :28:58. | :28:59. | |
be all but clear of the in-- to be appears to be all but clear of the | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
appears to be all but clear of the infection. Scientists are very | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
infection. Scientists are very infection. Scientists are very | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
cautious about the result. There is cautious about the result. There is | :29:03. | :29:03. | |
cautious about the result. There is considerable excitement that one of | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
considerable excitement that one of considerable excitement that one of | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
considerable excitement that one of the great scourges of our time, may, | :29:06. | :29:07. | |
the great scourges of our time, may, the great scourges of our time, may, | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
the great scourges of our time, may, at least in very young children, be | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
at least in very young children, be capable of being cured. | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
capable of being cured. capable of being cured. | :29:18. | :29:18. | |
capable of being cured. These are the leaflets given out to | :29:18. | :29:19. | |
These are the leaflets given out to These are the leaflets given out to | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
These are the leaflets given out to children with HIV in the UK. They | :29:20. | :29:21. | |
children with HIV in the UK. They children with HIV in the UK. They | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
children with HIV in the UK. They need only a small print run. There | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
need only a small print run. There need only a small print run. There | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
are now just some 1,200 children are now just some 1,200 children | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
are now just some 1,200 children living with the virus here. Today's | :29:27. | :29:28. | |
living with the virus here. Today's living with the virus here. Today's | :29:28. | :29:29. | |
announcement in the US has been announcement in the US has been | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
described as startling, a described as startling, a | :29:31. | :29:32. | |
potentially important step towards potentially important step towards | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
potentially important step towards potentially important step towards | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
the elusive goal of a cure. A baby the elusive goal of a cure. A baby | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
the elusive goal of a cure. A baby in this Mississippi hospital, with | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
in this Mississippi hospital, with in this Mississippi hospital, with | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
a HIV-positive mother, was treated a HIV-positive mother, was treated | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
a HIV-positive mother, was treated with antry retroviral drugs -- | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
with antry retroviral drugs -- anti-retroviral drugs and was, | :29:49. | :29:50. | |
anti-retroviral drugs and was, anti-retroviral drugs and was, | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
apparently cured. We believe the apparently cured. We believe the | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
apparently cured. We believe the heavy load of anti-retroviral drugs | :29:58. | :29:59. | |
heavy load of anti-retroviral drugs heavy load of anti-retroviral drugs | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
heavy load of anti-retroviral drugs brought this on, and sets stage for | :30:01. | :30:02. | |
brought this on, and sets stage for brought this on, and sets stage for | :30:02. | :30:03. | |
brought this on, and sets stage for going on. The closest we came to a | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
going on. The closest we came to a going on. The closest we came to a | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
going on. The closest we came to a cure was five years ago, when a man | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
cure was five years ago, when a man cure was five years ago, when a man | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
in Germany was given gene therapy in Germany was given gene therapy | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
in Germany was given gene therapy and a bone marrow transplant. This | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
and a bone marrow transplant. This and a bone marrow transplant. This | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
man, the discoverer of the Ebola man, the discoverer of the Ebola | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
man, the discoverer of the Ebola man, the discoverer of the Ebola | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
virus, sees this new case as a virus, sees this new case as a | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
virus, sees this new case as a first. This is really exciting news. | :30:22. | :30:23. | |
first. This is really exciting news. first. This is really exciting news. | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
Basically what it provides is a Basically what it provides is a | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
Basically what it provides is a Basically what it provides is a | :30:26. | :30:27. | |
proof of concept, as we say. That proof of concept, as we say. That | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
proof of concept, as we say. That it is possible to eliminate HIV | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
it is possible to eliminate HIV it is possible to eliminate HIV | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
it is possible to eliminate HIV from the body. This is the first | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
from the body. This is the first from the body. This is the first | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
from the body. This is the first time that it has been done with | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
time that it has been done with drugs, with anti-retroviral drugs, | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
drugs, with anti-retroviral drugs, drugs, with anti-retroviral drugs, | :30:39. | :30:40. | |
drugs, with anti-retroviral drugs, anti-HIV drugs, in a babey. That is | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
anti-HIV drugs, in a babey. That is anti-HIV drugs, in a babey. That is | :30:45. | :30:45. | |
spectacular. -- baby. That is spectacular. -- baby. That is | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
spectacular. -- baby. That is spectacular. -- baby. That is | :30:47. | :30:47. | |
spectacular. We are a long way off spectacular. We are a long way off | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
spectacular. We are a long way off from practical application, but the | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
from practical application, but the from practical application, but the | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
from practical application, but the fact it is possible is big news. | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
fact it is possible is big news. While treatment during pregnancy | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
While treatment during pregnancy While treatment during pregnancy | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
has all but eradicated new-born has all but eradicated new-born | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
has all but eradicated new-born baby infection in the developed | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
baby infection in the developed world. Globally 330,000 children | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
world. Globally 330,000 children world. Globally 330,000 children | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
are still being infected every year. are still being infected every year. | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
are still being infected every year. In Nigeria, for example, of 230,000 | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
In Nigeria, for example, of 230,000 HIV-positive women who delivered | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
HIV-positive women who delivered HIV-positive women who delivered | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
babies, 75,000 infected babies were babies, 75,000 infected babies were | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
babies, 75,000 infected babies were born. Scientists here have led the | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
born. Scientists here have led the born. Scientists here have led the | :31:23. | :31:23. | |
world in studies of mother-to-baby world in studies of mother-to-baby | :31:23. | :31:24. | |
world in studies of mother-to-baby transmission, and to stop the | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
transmission, and to stop the transmission, and to stop the | :31:26. | :31:26. | |
transmission, and to stop the mothers passing it on to babies. | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
mothers passing it on to babies. mothers passing it on to babies. | :31:29. | :31:29. | |
you treat the mothers in pregnancy you treat the mothers in pregnancy | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
you treat the mothers in pregnancy and completely suppress the virus | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
and completely suppress the virus and completely suppress the virus | :31:34. | :31:34. | |
on retroviral drugs, the risk of on retroviral drugs, the risk of | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
on retroviral drugs, the risk of the baby being infected becomes | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
the baby being infected becomes the baby being infected becomes | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
the baby being infected becomes very, very low. If the UK at the | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
very, very low. If the UK at the very, very low. If the UK at the | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
moment, if the woman has an moment, if the woman has an | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
moment, if the woman has an undetected viral load at pregnancy, | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
undetected viral load at pregnancy, undetected viral load at pregnancy, | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
undetected viral load at pregnancy, undetected viral load at pregnancy, | :31:46. | :31:47. | |
there is a one in 1,000 risk of her there is a one in 1,000 risk of her | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
there is a one in 1,000 risk of her baby being infect. Compared to one | :31:48. | :31:49. | |
baby being infect. Compared to one baby being infect. Compared to one | :31:50. | :31:51. | |
baby being infect. Compared to one in three risk, if the woman has no | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
in three risk, if the woman has no in three risk, if the woman has no | :31:53. | :31:53. | |
treatment and breast-feeds the baby. treatment and breast-feeds the baby. | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
treatment and breast-feeds the baby. treatment and breast-feeds the baby. | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
This was not an intended cure, the This was not an intended cure, the | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
This was not an intended cure, the mother hadn't seen a doctor during | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
mother hadn't seen a doctor during mother hadn't seen a doctor during | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
her pregnancy. The drugs lowered her pregnancy. The drugs lowered | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
her pregnancy. The drugs lowered the baby's viral level, the | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
the baby's viral level, the the baby's viral level, the | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
surprise is those lofl levels surprise is those lofl levels | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
surprise is those lofl levels appeared to stay undetectably low, | :32:07. | :32:08. | |
appeared to stay undetectably low, appeared to stay undetectably low, | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
even when the baby went several even when the baby went several | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
even when the baby went several months without the drugs. There is | :32:11. | :32:11. | |
months without the drugs. There is months without the drugs. There is | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
months without the drugs. There is more scepticism of talk of a cure. | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
more scepticism of talk of a cure. more scepticism of talk of a cure. | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
more scepticism of talk of a cure. This case could yet prove to be an | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
This case could yet prove to be an extraordinary one-off. There are | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
extraordinary one-off. There are extraordinary one-off. There are | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
unusual people whose bodies seem unusual people whose bodies seem | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
unusual people whose bodies seem able, naturally, to suppress the | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
able, naturally, to suppress the able, naturally, to suppress the | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
able, naturally, to suppress the virus. In adults there is 1% of the | :32:25. | :32:26. | |
virus. In adults there is 1% of the clinic populations are elite | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
clinic populations are elite clinic populations are elite | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
controllers who just manage, quite controllers who just manage, quite | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
spontaneously, without needing spontaneously, without needing | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
spontaneously, without needing anti-retroviral drugs to stay well | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
anti-retroviral drugs to stay well anti-retroviral drugs to stay well | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
and suppress the virus. It is and suppress the virus. It is | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
possible this case described possible this case described | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
possible this case described represents a rare example of this, | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
represents a rare example of this, as mother-to-child transmission, in | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
an infant. an infant. | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
an infant. an infant. | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
The US team has said their mind The US team has said their mind | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
The US team has said their mind The US team has said their mind | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
finding might be down to the fact finding might be down to the fact | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
finding might be down to the fact they treated the baby relatively | :32:51. | :32:52. | |
they treated the baby relatively they treated the baby relatively | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
soon after birth. That is not soon after birth. That is not | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
particularly unusual. She's She's particularly unusual. She's She's | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
particularly unusual. She's She's keeping the virus under control, | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
keeping the virus under control, keeping the virus under control, | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
and we need to understand more and we need to understand more | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
and we need to understand more and we need to understand more | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
about how and why she's managed to about how and why she's managed to | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
about how and why she's managed to do that. People have suggested that | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
do that. People have suggested that do that. People have suggested that | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
do that. People have suggested that it was because she start the drugs | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
it was because she start the drugs it was because she start the drugs | :33:07. | :33:08. | |
very, very soon after birth, that very, very soon after birth, that | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
very, very soon after birth, that this has happened. But that is | :33:09. | :33:10. | |
this has happened. But that is this has happened. But that is | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
actually the normal procedure that actually the normal procedure that | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
actually the normal procedure that actually the normal procedure that | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
we Saul follow, and usually if you we Saul follow, and usually if you | :33:14. | :33:14. | |
we Saul follow, and usually if you we Saul follow, and usually if you | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
stop them the virus comes back very quickly. | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
quickly. quickly. | :33:18. | :33:18. | |
quickly. So, I think it is interesting but | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
So, I think it is interesting but So, I think it is interesting but | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
So, I think it is interesting but there is more work to do. When HIV | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
there is more work to do. When HIV there is more work to do. When HIV | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
there is more work to do. When HIV attack our bodies, it can hide away | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
attack our bodies, it can hide away attack our bodies, it can hide away | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
from our immune systems and drugs. from our immune systems and drugs. | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
Australian researchers have said Australian researchers have said | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
Australian researchers have said Australian researchers have said | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
they use a cancer drug to wake up they use a cancer drug to wake up | :33:35. | :33:36. | |
they use a cancer drug to wake up dormant HIV viruses to make them | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
dormant HIV viruses to make them dormant HIV viruses to make them | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
more vulnerable to drugs. Another more vulnerable to drugs. Another | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
more vulnerable to drugs. Another more vulnerable to drugs. Another | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
small step towards a cure. Where we small step towards a cure. Where we | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
small step towards a cure. Where we small step towards a cure. Where we | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
are is at a series of small are is at a series of small | :33:44. | :33:44. | |
are is at a series of small experimental studies, in very small | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
experimental studies, in very small experimental studies, in very small | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
numbers of patients, looking at numbers of patients, looking at | :33:49. | :33:50. | |
numbers of patients, looking at different ways of weeding the virus | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
different ways of weeding the virus different ways of weeding the virus | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
out of infected cells, and then out of infected cells, and then | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
out of infected cells, and then destroying infected cells. It is | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
destroying infected cells. It is destroying infected cells. It is | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
destroying infected cells. It is far too early to tell yet which | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
far too early to tell yet which far too early to tell yet which | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
types of these strategies will be types of these strategies will be | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
types of these strategies will be successful. It is extremely vibrant | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
successful. It is extremely vibrant successful. It is extremely vibrant | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
and exciting area of research. and exciting area of research. | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
and exciting area of research. and exciting area of research. | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
true cure may still be some way off. true cure may still be some way off. | :34:10. | :34:10. | |
true cure may still be some way off. true cure may still be some way off. | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
To get more on the significance of To get more on the significance of | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
To get more on the significance of To get more on the significance of | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
all of this, I'm joined by Dr all of this, I'm joined by Dr | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
all of this, I'm joined by Dr Michael Brady, and a sexual health | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
Michael Brady, and a sexual health Michael Brady, and a sexual health | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
consultant at Kings, Dr Sarah consultant at Kings, Dr Sarah | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
consultant at Kings, Dr Sarah Fidler, a consultant physician in | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
Fidler, a consultant physician in Fidler, a consultant physician in | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
Fidler, a consultant physician in HIV at Imperial College. How big a | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
HIV at Imperial College. How big a HIV at Imperial College. How big a | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
HIV at Imperial College. How big a moment does this seem to you? | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
moment does this seem to you? moment does this seem to you? | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
moment does this seem to you? think in the field we are really | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
think in the field we are really think in the field we are really | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
excited about the whole idea about excited about the whole idea about | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
excited about the whole idea about moving towards the concept of HIV | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
moving towards the concept of HIV cure. Most scientist and | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
cure. Most scientist and cure. Most scientist and | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
researchers, as you said in the researchers, as you said in the | :34:38. | :34:39. | |
introduction, are quite concerned introduction, are quite concerned | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
introduction, are quite concerned whether this baby has actually | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
whether this baby has actually whether this baby has actually | :34:42. | :34:43. | |
within cured or not, they are within cured or not, they are | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
within cured or not, they are within cured or not, they are | :34:45. | :34:45. | |
calling it a functional cure, it is calling it a functional cure, it is | :34:45. | :34:46. | |
calling it a functional cure, it is not requiring treatment to control | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
not requiring treatment to control not requiring treatment to control | :34:48. | :34:49. | |
not requiring treatment to control the virus. But around about 1% of | :34:49. | :34:50. | |
the virus. But around about 1% of the virus. But around about 1% of | :34:50. | :34:51. | |
the population fall into that the population fall into that | :34:52. | :34:53. | |
the population fall into that category were they don't have any | :34:53. | :34:54. | |
category were they don't have any category were they don't have any | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
obvious signs of immune damage. And obvious signs of immune damage. And | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
obvious signs of immune damage. And we can't detect viruses growing in | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
we can't detect viruses growing in we can't detect viruses growing in | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
we can't detect viruses growing in their bodies all the time. But they | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
their bodies all the time. But they their bodies all the time. But they | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
their bodies all the time. But they are not on medicines. Also, it was | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
are not on medicines. Also, it was are not on medicines. Also, it was | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
are not on medicines. Also, it was an accident in many ways, that this | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
an accident in many ways, that this an accident in many ways, that this | :35:04. | :35:04. | |
an accident in many ways, that this was discovered, that a lady of late | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
was discovered, that a lady of late was discovered, that a lady of late | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
was discovered, that a lady of late in presenting and so on, and 0 on. | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
in presenting and so on, and 0 on. in presenting and so on, and 0 on. | :35:10. | :35:10. | |
in presenting and so on, and 0 on. It seems to be fortuitous, but -- | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
It seems to be fortuitous, but -- It seems to be fortuitous, but -- | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
It seems to be fortuitous, but -- so on and so on. It seems | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
so on and so on. It seems so on and so on. It seems | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
fortuitous, but it has happened? fortuitous, but it has happened? | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
fortuitous, but it has happened? fortuitous, but it has happened? | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
You could argue there are were a You could argue there are were a | :35:23. | :35:24. | |
You could argue there are were a number of failings in her | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
number of failings in her number of failings in her | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
healthcare, that made for a happy healthcare, that made for a happy | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
healthcare, that made for a happy ending. She was late in pregnancy | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
ending. She was late in pregnancy ending. She was late in pregnancy | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
so no access to treatment during so no access to treatment during | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
so no access to treatment during her pregnancy even though anti- | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
her pregnancy even though anti- retrovirals were prescribed, she | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
retrovirals were prescribed, she retrovirals were prescribed, she | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
retrovirals were prescribed, she was lost on follow up and came when | :35:41. | :35:42. | |
was lost on follow up and came when subsequent findings were found. | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
subsequent findings were found. subsequent findings were found. | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
subsequent findings were found. Whap now, there is the research and | :35:45. | :35:45. | |
Whap now, there is the research and Whap now, there is the research and | :35:45. | :35:46. | |
Whap now, there is the research and also pos -- what happens now, there | :35:46. | :35:47. | |
also pos -- what happens now, there also pos -- what happens now, there | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
was the research, and will it was the research, and will it | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
was the research, and will it possibly change the way young | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
possibly change the way young possibly change the way young | :35:51. | :35:51. | |
babies are treated? It won't change babies are treated? It won't change | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
babies are treated? It won't change babies are treated? It won't change | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
anything we are doing at the moment anything we are doing at the moment | :35:53. | :35:54. | |
anything we are doing at the moment anything we are doing at the moment | :35:54. | :35:55. | |
anything we are doing at the moment in the UK. We are very good here at | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
in the UK. We are very good here at in the UK. We are very good here at | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
doing HIV testing in antenatal doing HIV testing in antenatal | :35:59. | :36:00. | |
doing HIV testing in antenatal clinics, 97% of pregnant women get | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
clinics, 97% of pregnant women get clinics, 97% of pregnant women get | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
tested for HIV. It is relatively tested for HIV. It is relatively | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
tested for HIV. It is relatively tested for HIV. It is relatively | :36:04. | :36:04. | |
uncommon, it is rare for babies to uncommon, it is rare for babies to | :36:04. | :36:05. | |
uncommon, it is rare for babies to uncommon, it is rare for babies to | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
uncommon, it is rare for babies to be born with HIV in the UK. 99% of | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
be born with HIV in the UK. 99% of be born with HIV in the UK. 99% of | :36:08. | :36:09. | |
babies born to HIV-positive mothers babies born to HIV-positive mothers | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
will be HIV negative. will be HIV negative. | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
will be HIV negative. In terms of the short-term our | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
In terms of the short-term our In terms of the short-term our | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
practice won't change, it is really practice won't change, it is really | :36:16. | :36:17. | |
practice won't change, it is really for the researchers and the | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
for the researchers and the for the researchers and the | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
academics, I guess, to pull apart academics, I guess, to pull apart | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
academics, I guess, to pull apart what this really means. Where do | :36:21. | :36:22. | |
what this really means. Where do what this really means. Where do | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
what this really means. Where do you think that goes now then, in | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
you think that goes now then, in you think that goes now then, in | :36:24. | :36:25. | |
you think that goes now then, in terms of the research? I think it | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
terms of the research? I think it terms of the research? I think it | :36:26. | :36:26. | |
terms of the research? I think it is looking at the strategic use of | :36:26. | :36:27. | |
is looking at the strategic use of is looking at the strategic use of | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
is looking at the strategic use of the drugs we have got, so the child | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
the drugs we have got, so the child the drugs we have got, so the child | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
that's been presented here had the that's been presented here had the | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
that's been presented here had the that's been presented here had the | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
same drugs that we give to many of same drugs that we give to many of | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
same drugs that we give to many of our patients living with HIV. | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
our patients living with HIV. our patients living with HIV. | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
our patients living with HIV. is nothing new about that? No. What | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
is nothing new about that? No. What is nothing new about that? No. What | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
is nothing new about that? No. What they did the baby was they gave it | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
they did the baby was they gave it they did the baby was they gave it | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
drugs immediately after it was born, drugs immediately after it was born, | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
drugs immediately after it was born, drugs immediately after it was born, | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
very soon after they found out it very soon after they found out it | :36:48. | :36:48. | |
very soon after they found out it was HIV-positive. For most people | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
was HIV-positive. For most people was HIV-positive. For most people | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
was HIV-positive. For most people living in the UK with HIV, we tend | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
living in the UK with HIV, we tend living in the UK with HIV, we tend | :36:52. | :36:53. | |
to not give treatment immediately to not give treatment immediately | :36:53. | :36:54. | |
to not give treatment immediately to not give treatment immediately | :36:54. | :36:54. | |
it is another way to address the it is another way to address the | :36:54. | :36:55. | |
it is another way to address the it is another way to address the | :36:55. | :36:56. | |
strategic use of the drugs we have strategic use of the drugs we have | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
strategic use of the drugs we have got. We know not only does | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
got. We know not only does immediate treatment prevent disease | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
immediate treatment prevent disease progressing, but immediate | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
progressing, but immediate treatment prevents transmission of | :37:04. | :37:05. | |
treatment prevents transmission of treatment prevents transmission of | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
treatment prevents transmission of the virus on to the sexual partners | :37:06. | :37:07. | |
the virus on to the sexual partners the virus on to the sexual partners | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
the virus on to the sexual partners or mothers to children. In terms it | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
or mothers to children. In terms it or mothers to children. In terms it | :37:10. | :37:11. | |
of how society views HIV-aid, do of how society views HIV-aid, do | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
of how society views HIV-aid, do of how society views HIV-aid, do | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
you think there is a degree of you think there is a degree of | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
you think there is a degree of complacency now that perhaps there | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
complacency now that perhaps there complacency now that perhaps there | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
wasn't a few years ago, maybe wasn't a few years ago, maybe | :37:19. | :37:20. | |
wasn't a few years ago, maybe wasn't a few years ago, maybe | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
people think we are on the road to people think we are on the road to | :37:21. | :37:22. | |
people think we are on the road to people think we are on the road to | :37:22. | :37:23. | |
the cure, and we read good news and the cure, and we read good news and | :37:23. | :37:24. | |
the cure, and we read good news and people change their behaviour, and | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
people change their behaviour, and people change their behaviour, and | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
people change their behaviour, and not in a good way? Behaviour is | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
not in a good way? Behaviour is not in a good way? Behaviour is | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
changeing and we are seeing changeing and we are seeing | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
changeing and we are seeing changeing and we are seeing | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
infection rates going up. It is a infection rates going up. It is a | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
infection rates going up. It is a difficult message to balance, if | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
difficult message to balance, if difficult message to balance, if | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
you know your status, get tested you know your status, get tested | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
you know your status, get tested and you can access treatment. If | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
and you can access treatment. If and you can access treatment. If | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
and you can access treatment. If you are tests early enough and put | :37:41. | :37:42. | |
you are tests early enough and put you are tests early enough and put | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
you are tests early enough and put on HIV therapy you could have a | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
on HIV therapy you could have a on HIV therapy you could have a | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
normal life expectancy. You have to normal life expectancy. You have to | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
normal life expectancy. You have to normal life expectancy. You have to | :37:50. | :37:50. | |
balance it not -- it being better balance it not -- it being better | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
balance it not -- it being better not to the-to-get tested in the | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
not to the-to-get tested in the not to the-to-get tested in the | :37:53. | :37:54. | |
not to the-to-get tested in the first place. --Snot to get tested | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
first place. --Snot to get tested first place. --Snot to get tested | :37:56. | :37:56. | |
first place. --Snot to get tested in the first place. --Not to get | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
in the first place. --Not to get in the first place. --Not to get | :37:58. | :37:58. | |
in the first place. --Not to get tested in the first place. Do you | :37:58. | :37:59. | |
tested in the first place. Do you tested in the first place. Do you | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
tested in the first place. Do you see a cure in your lifetime? | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
see a cure in your lifetime? see a cure in your lifetime? | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
see a cure in your lifetime? would like to think that is a | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
would like to think that is a possibility, as you presented | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
possibility, as you presented possibility, as you presented | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
possibility, as you presented earlier, there is one man in the | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
earlier, there is one man in the earlier, there is one man in the | :38:06. | :38:07. | |
earlier, there is one man in the world who really has been cured of | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
world who really has been cured of world who really has been cured of | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
world who really has been cured of HIV, and not quite the same story. | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
HIV, and not quite the same story. HIV, and not quite the same story. | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
He had an incredibly intensive and He had an incredibly intensive and | :38:15. | :38:15. | |
He had an incredibly intensive and not scalable treatment, but it | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
not scalable treatment, but it not scalable treatment, but it | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
showed us the concept is a showed us the concept is a | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
showed us the concept is a possibility. I think that the | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
possibility. I think that the possibility. I think that the | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
possibility. I think that the strategic use of drugs we have got, | :38:23. | :38:24. | |
strategic use of drugs we have got, strategic use of drugs we have got, | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
strategic use of drugs we have got, and adding in another one or two or | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
and adding in another one or two or and adding in another one or two or | :38:27. | :38:27. | |
three categories of treatments, for three categories of treatments, for | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
three categories of treatments, for example the study that's also been | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
example the study that's also been example the study that's also been | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
presented at the conference about presented at the conference about | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
presented at the conference about the anti-cancer drugs, which also | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
the anti-cancer drugs, which also the anti-cancer drugs, which also | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
the anti-cancer drugs, which also seemed to have an affect on waking | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
seemed to have an affect on waking seemed to have an affect on waking | :38:36. | :38:37. | |
seemed to have an affect on waking up the ves voir of the cells. I | :38:37. | :38:38. | |
up the ves voir of the cells. I up the ves voir of the cells. I | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
think overall -- reservoir of the think overall -- reservoir of the | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
think overall -- reservoir of the cells. I think perhaps overall and | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
cells. I think perhaps overall and cells. I think perhaps overall and | :38:43. | :38:43. | |
cells. I think perhaps overall and in the neck decade there will be | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
in the neck decade there will be in the neck decade there will be | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
drugs being used with different drugs being used with different | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
drugs being used with different drugs being used with different | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
agents that may well help to purge agents that may well help to purge | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
agents that may well help to purge the reservoir cells we can't now | :38:50. | :38:50. | |
the reservoir cells we can't now the reservoir cells we can't now | :38:50. | :38:51. | |
the reservoir cells we can't now get. Are you in agreement with that, | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
get. Are you in agreement with that, get. Are you in agreement with that, | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
get. Are you in agreement with that, do you think that is the way in | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
do you think that is the way in do you think that is the way in | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
which, we are talking about the which, we are talking about the | :38:57. | :38:58. | |
which, we are talking about the possibility of a cure some time | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
possibility of a cure some time possibility of a cure some time | :38:59. | :39:00. | |
relatively soon? This is an extra relatively soon? This is an extra | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
relatively soon? This is an extra relatively soon? This is an extra | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
piece of evidence that adds to the piece of evidence that adds to the | :39:02. | :39:02. | |
piece of evidence that adds to the jigsaw. I think it will be | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
jigsaw. I think it will be jigsaw. I think it will be | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
something that scientists can work something that scientists can work | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
something that scientists can work something that scientists can work | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
on. I agree with Sarah about that. on. I agree with Sarah about that. | :39:08. | :39:08. | |
on. I agree with Sarah about that. on. I agree with Sarah about that. | :39:09. | :39:09. | |
Before the end of the programme we Before the end of the programme we | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
Before the end of the programme we will have tomorrow's front pages. | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
will have tomorrow's front pages. will have tomorrow's front pages. | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
But first, the veteran grunge But first, the veteran grunge | :39:14. | :39:15. | |
But first, the veteran grunge rocker, Dave Grohl of Nirvana and | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
rocker, Dave Grohl of Nirvana and rocker, Dave Grohl of Nirvana and | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
Foo Fighters fame, might not Foo Fighters fame, might not | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
Foo Fighters fame, might not immediately strike you as the | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
immediately strike you as the immediately strike you as the | :39:20. | :39:20. | |
sentimental type. When he heard sentimental type. When he heard | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
sentimental type. When he heard they were closing a recording | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
they were closing a recording they were closing a recording | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
studio, where everyone from Johnny studio, where everyone from Johnny | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
studio, where everyone from Johnny Cash to Fleetwood Mac made their | :39:27. | :39:28. | |
Cash to Fleetwood Mac made their Cash to Fleetwood Mac made their | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
classic album, Grohl went out and classic album, Grohl went out and | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
classic album, Grohl went out and classic album, Grohl went out and | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
bought a big piece of it, the old bought a big piece of it, the old | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
bought a big piece of it, the old bought a big piece of it, the old | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
mixing desk to be exact. He has mixing desk to be exact. He has | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
mixing desk to be exact. He has even made a documentary about it. | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
even made a documentary about it. even made a documentary about it. | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
Sound City. You will be astounded Sound City. You will be astounded | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
Sound City. You will be astounded to learn that Dave Grohl uses | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
to learn that Dave Grohl uses strong language here. | :39:45. | :39:52. | |
strong language here. strong language here. | :39:52. | :39:53. | |
Are you ready? Yep.We're rolling. Are you ready? Yep.We're rolling. | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
Are you ready? Yep.We're rolling. Are you ready? Yep.We're rolling. | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
1, 2, 3, 4, Everyone has recorded 1, 2, 3, 4, Everyone has recorded | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
1, 2, 3, 4, Everyone has recorded in it, Neil Young, George Harrison, | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
in it, Neil Young, George Harrison, in it, Neil Young, George Harrison, | :40:05. | :40:13. | |
Fleetwood Mac, Barry Manilow, to Nirvana. | :40:13. | :40:14. | |
Nirvana. Nirvana. | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
Nirvana. What woody allen said about sex is | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
What woody allen said about sex is What woody allen said about sex is | :40:17. | :40:23. | |
also true for rock 'n' roll. also true for rock 'n' roll. | :40:23. | :40:24. | |
also true for rock 'n' roll. also true for rock 'n' roll. | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
Is it dirty? Only when it is done Is it dirty? Only when it is done | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
right. Take Nirvana's break-through album. | :40:31. | :40:31. | |
album. album. | :40:32. | :40:32. | |
album. We had signed to a record company, | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
We had signed to a record company, We had signed to a record company, | :40:34. | :40:34. | |
We had signed to a record company, they said come down here to Los | :40:34. | :40:35. | |
they said come down here to Los they said come down here to Los | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
they said come down here to Los Angeles to make a record. We drove | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
Angeles to make a record. We drove Angeles to make a record. We drove | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
all the way from Seattle, we all the way from Seattle, we | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
all the way from Seattle, we imagined it would be a big | :40:40. | :40:41. | |
imagined it would be a big imagined it would be a big | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
Hollywood studio, we got there and Hollywood studio, we got there and | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
Hollywood studio, we got there and Hollywood studio, we got there and | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
it was a total thump dump, way out it was a total thump dump, way out | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
it was a total thump dump, way out it was a total thump dump, way out | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
in the valley in this nasty Area. in the valley in this nasty Area. | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
in the valley in this nasty Area. It sounds very skaanky. It was | :40:49. | :40:56. | |
It sounds very skaanky. It was It sounds very skaanky. It was | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
pretty skanky. Brown shag carpet on pretty skanky. Brown shag carpet on | :40:57. | :40:58. | |
pretty skanky. Brown shag carpet on pretty skanky. Brown shag carpet on | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
the wall, you would do that to your the wall, you would do that to your | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
the wall, you would do that to your van. The place was trashed already, | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
van. The place was trashed already, van. The place was trashed already, | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
van. The place was trashed already, so anything goes. It was dirty, I | :41:03. | :41:04. | |
so anything goes. It was dirty, I so anything goes. It was dirty, I | :41:04. | :41:05. | |
so anything goes. It was dirty, I didn't feel like I wanted to sit on | :41:05. | :41:06. | |
didn't feel like I wanted to sit on didn't feel like I wanted to sit on | :41:06. | :41:06. | |
didn't feel like I wanted to sit on any of the furniture. When we got | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
any of the furniture. When we got any of the furniture. When we got | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
any of the furniture. When we got there and set up the equipment, we | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
there and set up the equipment, we there and set up the equipment, we | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
recorded one song and realised why recorded one song and realised why | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
recorded one song and realised why this place was so special, the | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
this place was so special, the this place was so special, the | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
sound was incredible. How have you sound was incredible. How have you | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
sound was incredible. How have you prepared yourself Evil? I have kept | :41:18. | :41:19. | |
prepared yourself Evil? I have kept prepared yourself Evil? I have kept | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
myself in good physical shape, I myself in good physical shape, I | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
myself in good physical shape, I myself in good physical shape, I | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
don't drink very much, and I have don't drink very much, and I have | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
never taken a narcotic. never taken a narcotic. | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
never taken a narcotic. David Frost, well served by his | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
David Frost, well served by his cameraman here, quizzing mad-cap | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
cameraman here, quizzing mad-cap motorbike ace Evil Knevil. | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
motorbike ace Evil Knevil. motorbike ace Evil Knevil. | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
Tonight, we reveal the link between Tonight, we reveal the link between | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
Tonight, we reveal the link between Knevil and unlikely recording star, | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Knevil and unlikely recording star, and Nirvana's Vadim Cobilas. | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
and Nirvana's Vadim Cobilas. and Nirvana's Vadim Cobilas. | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
and Nirvana's Vadim Cobilas. -- Kurt Cobane. There was one day | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
-- Kurt Cobane. There was one day -- Kurt Cobane. There was one day | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
making Nevermind, we snuk in the making Nevermind, we snuk in the | :41:56. | :41:56. | |
making Nevermind, we snuk in the making Nevermind, we snuk in the | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
tape room, you could climb down a tape room, you could climb down a | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
tape room, you could climb down a tape room, you could climb down a | :42:00. | :42:01. | |
ladder in into the room, there were ladder in into the room, there were | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
ladder in into the room, there were Evil Knevil tapes, Kurt stole one, | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
Evil Knevil tapes, Kurt stole one, Evil Knevil tapes, Kurt stole one, | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
Evil Knevil tapes, Kurt stole one, he didn't have a tape machine to | :42:05. | :42:06. | |
he didn't have a tape machine to he didn't have a tape machine to | :42:06. | :42:07. | |
he didn't have a tape machine to he didn't have a tape machine to | :42:07. | :42:08. | |
play it on, he had to have an Evil play it on, he had to have an Evil | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
play it on, he had to have an Evil play it on, he had to have an Evil | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
Knevil. It is being close to the Knevil. It is being close to the | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
Knevil. It is being close to the man, the legend. You ain't seen | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
man, the legend. You ain't seen man, the legend. You ain't seen | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
nothing yet euro-poppers, let us nothing yet euro-poppers, let us | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
nothing yet euro-poppers, let us rock. This rock anthem by Bachman | :42:21. | :42:22. | |
rock. This rock anthem by Bachman rock. This rock anthem by Bachman | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
Turner Overdrive, is one of scores Turner Overdrive, is one of scores | :42:24. | :42:25. | |
Turner Overdrive, is one of scores Turner Overdrive, is one of scores | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
of hits made at Sound City studio, of hits made at Sound City studio, | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
of hits made at Sound City studio, now alas, defunct, Grohl loved it | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
now alas, defunct, Grohl loved it now alas, defunct, Grohl loved it | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
so much, he salvaged the old so much, he salvaged the old | :42:33. | :42:34. | |
analogue recording deck. Not analogue recording deck. Not | :42:34. | :42:35. | |
analogue recording deck. Not everyone who recorded there is | :42:35. | :42:45. | |
:42:45. | :42:46. | ||
everyone who recorded there is quite so bothered. | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
quite so bothered. quite so bothered. | :42:47. | :42:48. | |
quite so bothered. This board you talk about, this is | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
This board you talk about, this is This board you talk about, this is | :42:49. | :42:50. | |
not my world, engineers have to not my world, engineers have to | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
not my world, engineers have to spend hours on the kick drums, | :42:51. | :42:52. | |
spend hours on the kick drums, spend hours on the kick drums, | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
spend hours on the kick drums, please, I would rather have a blood | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
transfusion. transfusion. | :42:56. | :42:57. | |
transfusion. What about younger people, they may | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
What about younger people, they may What about younger people, they may | :42:59. | :43:00. | |
What about younger people, they may What about younger people, they may | :43:00. | :43:01. | |
say, Dave, you are big a bit of a say, Dave, you are big a bit of a | :43:01. | :43:02. | |
say, Dave, you are big a bit of a dinosaur, you might as well | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
dinosaur, you might as well dinosaur, you might as well | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
celebrate the wax cylinder or the celebrate the wax cylinder or the | :43:06. | :43:07. | |
celebrate the wax cylinder or the piano roll. We're all surprised | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
piano roll. We're all surprised piano roll. We're all surprised | :43:09. | :43:10. | |
because we thought the audience because we thought the audience | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
because we thought the audience would be mostly music nerds like | :43:11. | :43:12. | |
would be mostly music nerds like would be mostly music nerds like | :43:12. | :43:13. | |
ourselves, but I had people coming ourselves, but I had people coming | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
ourselves, but I had people coming ourselves, but I had people coming | :43:15. | :43:15. | |
ourselves, but I had people coming up to me every day, I have no idea | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
up to me every day, I have no idea up to me every day, I have no idea | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
up to me every day, I have no idea up to me every day, I have no idea | :43:19. | :43:20. | |
what it is to be in the band, and what it is to be in the band, and | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
what it is to be in the band, and what it is to be in the band, and | :43:21. | :43:22. | |
they said they loved the movie and they said they loved the movie and | :43:22. | :43:22. | |
they said they loved the movie and they said they loved the movie and | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
it inspired them to pick up an instrument. | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
instrument. instrument. | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
instrument. Who killed Sound City, well it was | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
Who killed Sound City, well it was Who killed Sound City, well it was | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
a being from outer space. No, a being from outer space. No, | :43:34. | :43:35. | |
a being from outer space. No, a being from outer space. No, | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
really. Signed up as the face of really. Signed up as the face of | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
really. Signed up as the face of that exciting new product, the CD, | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
that exciting new product, the CD, that exciting new product, the CD, | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
was none other than Mr Spoke. was none other than Mr Spoke. | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
was none other than Mr Spoke. was none other than Mr Spoke. | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
The sound is great, we have been The sound is great, we have been | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
The sound is great, we have been The sound is great, we have been | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
using it on the enterprise for deck using it on the enterprise for deck | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
using it on the enterprise for deck -- Enterprise for decades, it is | :43:47. | :43:47. | |
-- Enterprise for decades, it is -- Enterprise for decades, it is | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
about time it got to earth. about time it got to earth. | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
about time it got to earth. about time it got to earth. | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
As much as he loves the heavy metal As much as he loves the heavy metal | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
As much as he loves the heavy metal of a heavy recording deck, Grohl | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
of a heavy recording deck, Grohl also appreciates the amazing | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
also appreciates the amazing also appreciates the amazing | :44:01. | :44:02. | |
convience of new technology. Well, convience of new technology. Well, | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
up to a point. up to a point. | :44:04. | :44:05. | |
up to a point. up to a point. | :44:05. | :44:06. | |
You can have a laptop, and you can You can have a laptop, and you can | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
You can have a laptop, and you can You can have a laptop, and you can | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
make an album at home, you can do make an album at home, you can do | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
make an album at home, you can do make an album at home, you can do | :44:09. | :44:10. | |
it all by yourself, and at the it all by yourself, and at the | :44:10. | :44:11. | |
it all by yourself, and at the it all by yourself, and at the | :44:11. | :44:11. | |
click of a button distribute it to click of a button distribute it to | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
click of a button distribute it to click of a button distribute it to | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
the rest of the world. That is the rest of the world. That is | :44:14. | :44:15. | |
the rest of the world. That is the rest of the world. That is | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
amazing, I wish I had that when I amazing, I wish I had that when I | :44:16. | :44:17. | |
amazing, I wish I had that when I amazing, I wish I had that when I | :44:17. | :44:18. | |
was 14, I would have made box sets was 14, I would have made box sets | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
was 14, I would have made box sets was 14, I would have made box sets | :44:20. | :44:21. | |
of records. But, the sound thing is of records. But, the sound thing is | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
of records. But, the sound thing is a place like Sound City can't | :44:22. | :44:23. | |
a place like Sound City can't a place like Sound City can't | :44:23. | :44:23. | |
survive in that world. We are survive in that world. We are | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
survive in that world. We are survive in that world. We are | :44:26. | :44:26. | |
trying it pay tribute to that. Now, trying it pay tribute to that. Now, | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
trying it pay tribute to that. Now, trying it pay tribute to that. Now, | :44:31. | :44:32. | |
does that mean that there are more does that mean that there are more | :44:32. | :44:33. | |
incredible albums, because incredible albums, because | :44:33. | :44:34. | |
incredible albums, because everybody has this available to | :44:34. | :44:42. | |
everybody has this available to them? Not really. | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
them? Not really. them? Not really. | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
The high school dropout, who once The high school dropout, who once | :44:46. | :44:47. | |
played wildly uncommercial punk played wildly uncommercial punk | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
played wildly uncommercial punk rock, Grohl's done pretty well for | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
rock, Grohl's done pretty well for rock, Grohl's done pretty well for | :44:51. | :44:52. | |
himself. Now welcoming the grand himself. Now welcoming the grand | :44:52. | :44:53. | |
himself. Now welcoming the grand himself. Now welcoming the grand | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
old men of rock to his studio. old men of rock to his studio. | :44:57. | :44:58. | |
old men of rock to his studio. got in band that became hugely | :44:58. | :44:59. | |
got in band that became hugely got in band that became hugely | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
popular. But we never expected that popular. But we never expected that | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
popular. But we never expected that to happen. So it happened so | :45:03. | :45:03. | |
to happen. So it happened so to happen. So it happened so | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
naturally that I never really naturally that I never really | :45:05. | :45:06. | |
naturally that I never really naturally that I never really | :45:06. | :45:07. | |
imagined it could be a career. It imagined it could be a career. It | :45:07. | :45:07. | |
imagined it could be a career. It imagined it could be a career. It | :45:08. | :45:08. | |
used to be that people would say used to be that people would say | :45:08. | :45:10. | |
used to be that people would say what's your advice of someone who | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
what's your advice of someone who what's your advice of someone who | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
what's your advice of someone who wants a career in music, I say | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
wants a career in music, I say wants a career in music, I say | :45:14. | :45:14. | |
wants a career in music, I say don't have a career in music, just | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
don't have a career in music, just don't have a career in music, just | :45:20. | :45:21. | |
locking play it! Why can't it locking play it! Why can't it | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
locking play it! Why can't it locking play it! Why can't it | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
always be this easy. It is! Dave always be this easy. It is! Dave | :45:27. | :45:28. | |
always be this easy. It is! Dave always be this easy. It is! Dave | :45:28. | :45:38. | |
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Grohl and a few friends. Now the Apparently Britons lose more years | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
Apparently Britons lose more years Apparently Britons lose more years | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
to dis debilitating diseases than to dis debilitating diseases than | :46:01. | :46:11. | |
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HSBC is ruling out transferring its HSBC is ruling out transferring its | :46:27. | :46:28. | |
HSBC is ruling out transferring its headquarters to Hong Kong, despite | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
headquarters to Hong Kong, despite headquarters to Hong Kong, despite | :46:29. | :46:30. | |
headquarters to Hong Kong, despite the prospect of a bonus cap being | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
the prospect of a bonus cap being the prospect of a bonus cap being | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
the prospect of a bonus cap being imposed by the EU The Mail has The | :46:33. | :46:33. | |
imposed by the EU The Mail has The imposed by the EU The Mail has The | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
Edge Of Love edge story. Edge Of Love edge story. | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
-- Nicola Edgington story. -- Nicola Edgington story. | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
-- Nicola Edgington story. -- Nicola Edgington story. | :46:41. | :46:41. | |
We wanted it leave you with news We wanted it leave you with news | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
We wanted it leave you with news We wanted it leave you with news | :46:43. | :46:44. | |
that the Government is to invest in that the Government is to invest in | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
that the Government is to invest in that the Government is to invest in | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
a successor to the po sayically but a successor to the po sayically but | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
a successor to the po sayically but accurately named -- prosaicly but | :46:52. | :46:54. | |
accurately named -- prosaicly but accurately named "very large | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
accurately named "very large accurately named "very large | :46:58. | :46:59. | |
accurately named "very large telescope". It is going to span the | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
telescope". It is going to span the telescope". It is going to span the | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
telescope". It is going to span the heavens, but will be known as the | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
heavens, but will be known as the "extremely very large telescope". | :47:06. | :47:16. | |
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Hello there, it will be mild and Hello there, it will be mild and | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
Hello there, it will be mild and sunny in most places through the | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
sunny in most places through the sunny in most places through the | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
day tomorrow. Starting off with a day tomorrow. Starting off with a | :47:42. | :47:43. | |
day tomorrow. Starting off with a touch of frost and thick fog | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
touch of frost and thick fog touch of frost and thick fog | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
touch of frost and thick fog patches. That fog will take a while | :47:46. | :47:46. | |
patches. That fog will take a while patches. That fog will take a while | :47:46. | :47:47. | |
to clear across north-east England to clear across north-east England | :47:47. | :47:48. | |
to clear across north-east England to clear across north-east England | :47:48. | :47:48. | |
in particular. It may stick to part in particular. It may stick to part | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
in particular. It may stick to part in particular. It may stick to part | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
of the coast here, well into the of the coast here, well into the | :47:51. | :47:52. | |
afternoon. General low across afternoon. General low across | :47:52. | :47:53. | |
afternoon. General low across northern England it will brighten | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
northern England it will brighten northern England it will brighten | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
up with sunshine, and in that up with sunshine, and in that | :47:57. | :47:58. | |
sunshine certainly across the sunshine certainly across the | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
sunshine certainly across the Midlands, East Anglia and the | :47:59. | :48:00. | |
Midlands, East Anglia and the Midlands, East Anglia and the | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
south-east it will feel warm. 14 south-east it will feel warm. 14 | :48:01. | :48:02. | |
south-east it will feel warm. 14 degrees in the capital, maybe as | :48:02. | :48:03. | |
degrees in the capital, maybe as degrees in the capital, maybe as | :48:03. | :48:05. | |
degrees in the capital, maybe as high as 15 in one or two places. | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
high as 15 in one or two places. high as 15 in one or two places. | :48:07. | :48:07. | |
high as 15 in one or two places. Temperatures of 11 or 12 in the | :48:07. | :48:08. | |
Temperatures of 11 or 12 in the Temperatures of 11 or 12 in the | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
south west. After a sunny morning south west. After a sunny morning | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
south west. After a sunny morning south west. After a sunny morning | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
we will see more cloud by the we will see more cloud by the | :48:13. | :48:14. | |
afternoon. Clouding over in afternoon. Clouding over in | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
afternoon. Clouding over in Pembrokeshire. For the bulk of | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
Pembrokeshire. For the bulk of Pembrokeshire. For the bulk of | :48:17. | :48:18. | |
Wales a sparkling day. After a Wales a sparkling day. After a | :48:18. | :48:18. | |
Wales a sparkling day. After a frosty start temperatures could get | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
frosty start temperatures could get frosty start temperatures could get | :48:21. | :48:22. | |
frosty start temperatures could get in the teens. A brighter day across | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
in the teens. A brighter day across in the teens. A brighter day across | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
Northern Ireland, a chance of sunny Northern Ireland, a chance of sunny | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
Northern Ireland, a chance of sunny spells. It will stay cloudy across | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
spells. It will stay cloudy across western Scotland too. Elsewhere | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
western Scotland too. Elsewhere western Scotland too. Elsewhere | :48:31. | :48:32. | |
across Scotland, after a frosty across Scotland, after a frosty | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
across Scotland, after a frosty start, after a few fog patches, | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
start, after a few fog patches, start, after a few fog patches, | :48:34. | :48:35. | |
plenty of sunshine. It is all plenty of sunshine. It is all | :48:35. | :48:36. | |
plenty of sunshine. It is all change for Wednesday. Much more | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
change for Wednesday. Much more change for Wednesday. Much more | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
change for Wednesday. Much more cloud, right across the UK. We are | :48:40. | :48:41. | |
cloud, right across the UK. We are cloud, right across the UK. We are | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
expecting outbreaks of rain. It is expecting outbreaks of rain. It is | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
expecting outbreaks of rain. It is looking dull and damp for most | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
looking dull and damp for most place during Wednesday. | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
place during Wednesday. place during Wednesday. | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
Temperatures still in double figure, Temperatures still in double figure, | :48:47. | :48:48. | |
Temperatures still in double figure, Temperatures still in double figure, | :48:48. | :48:49. | |
obviously it won't feel as warm as obviously it won't feel as warm as | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
obviously it won't feel as warm as it will do during Tuesday, without | :48:52. | :48:53. | |
it will do during Tuesday, without it will do during Tuesday, without | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
the sunshine. North West Scotland the sunshine. North West Scotland | :48:54. | :48:55. |