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$:/STARTFEED. The Tory leadership has been blown around by euro- | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
sceptic rebels. Tonight the party offers a new deal. Will they simply | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
come back for more. In Washington the President offers sharp words to | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
Tory MPs. You probably want to see if you can fix what's broken in a | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
very important relationship before you break it off. We will be joined | :00:32. | :00:40. | |
for reaction tonight by Tory rebel, Nadine dor res. Also tonight: | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
The lauter in Syria continues, in Washington Cameron and Obama agree | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
to do nothing at least for now. All this debate may have done about | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
a peace conference is delay by a few weeks the decision the US and | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
the UK need to make about whether to arm the opposition. We will put | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
that to George W Bush's pent gone ally. | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
How bad can it get, the deadly global virus that can be passed | :01:11. | :01:20. | |
through personal contact. Good evening, who exactly is | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
throwing in the towel. Earlier today that charge was levelled at | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
rebel euro-sceptic MPs, those calling for an early referendum on | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
Europe. Yet tonight David Cameron's agreed to publish a draft bill that | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
will pave the way for an in-out vote in 2017. The timing is unlike | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
to be coincidence, and comes as the President of the United States came | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
to the Prime Minister's aid on this very subject. Where is the | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
leadership coming from, and will an awful like this be enough to stop | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
them, as one once said, "banging on". Take us through what this | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
draft suggests? It is a quite a loud bang of the drum this evening. | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
They hope it will be one of the final ones before the next election. | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
What the current strategy or strategy as of yesterday or this | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
morning was, was that 2015 if the Prime Minister manages to be in | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
some form of Government he will renegotiate with European partners | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
and then there is will be a referendum in 2017 and people in | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
Britain get a stay. Lots of backbenchers want his hands bound | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
in some ways to dictate to other Governments in the future or any | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
Government he will be part of as part of legislation. He says he | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
can't do that. Now he has said half an hour ago in America is we will | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
give awe bill, we will write it and publish it tomorrow, we cannot | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
charter it through, you as backbenchers have to adopt it | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
through this thing called the Private Members Bill all bot, where | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
they all go in the mix -- ballot, where they all go in the mix and if | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
it comes up top they have to chose it. In the last 40 minutes we have | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
seen one of the key euro-sceptic rebels has said he doesn't really | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
like this new proposition from David Cameron. He's actually called | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
it a ploy on Radio 4 this evening. That is because they think actually | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
if you really do believe this then you would just use Government time. | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
I think that is being a bit unkind on them, there is this Lib Dem | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
problem. The Lib Dems will not accept this. That is what some of | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
the euro-sceptics are saying, we will hear more later. If you | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
believe this you will push it through. There is a second problem, | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
this is more process, this is more about timing and it is not actually | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
about the heart of it which is what are you actually going to | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
renegotiate. What are you actually going to bring back. Until people | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
know what he's talking about bringing back, they are not sure | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
they want to be part of his strategy or want another one. | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
is Britain's route to Europe. Right now there is a pretty rigid | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
schedule to it. If the stories win a general election in 2015 and | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
Prime Minister David Cameron begins to renegotiate powers from Europe. | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
Time is up in 2017 and people are given a referendum. For a number in | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
the Conservative Party that's all just way too slow. | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
But the animal which provided the goat skin for last week's Queen's | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
Speech may have died in vain. Conservative backbenchers have | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
tabled an amendment, possibly to be voted Onil Wednesday. It expresses | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
regret that 2013's honourable address contains no EU referendum | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
bill. Tory backbenchers and privately some front benchers | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
believe David Cameron's 2017 referendum pledge is on the right | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
tracks, it just needs to be legislated for this parliament. | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
While the Prime Minister is in America extoling the virtues of | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
free demonstrate to President Obama, back here his euro-sceptic MPs are | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
also having a pretty good time. Tonight they throw a party to | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
welcome Nadine Dorres back to the fold after she lost the whip T will | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
be a pretty good bash. Euro- sceptics think the events of the | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
last few days suggests things are going their way. This is why, a | :04:59. | :05:07. | |
steady march of Tory grandees coming out. First Norman Lamont, | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
and Michael Portillo, so far so containable. Next up voices from | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
around the cabinet. On Sunday both Education Secretary, Michael Gove | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
and Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond. There are as many as seven | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
other cabinet ministers who share this view. If that was friend, this | :05:24. | :05:34. | |
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morning it was the turn of a rival, David Cameron, at the White House | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
to discuss a new EU-US trade deal worth billions, he said, slapped | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
them down. There is a very good reason why there is not going to be | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
a referendum tomorrow, it is because it would give the British | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
public I think an entirely false choice between the status quo, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
which I don't think is acceptable, I want to see the European Union | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
changed, I want to see Britain's relationship with the European | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
Union changed and improved. It would be a false choice between the | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
status quo and leaving. I don't think that is the choice that the | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
British public want or the British public deserve. The American | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
President had some advice as well. I think the UK's participation in | :06:16. | :06:26. | |
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the EU is an expression of its influence. Of its role in the world | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
and obviously a very important economic partnership. Ultimately | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
the people of the UK have to make decisions for themselves. I will | :06:34. | :06:42. | |
say this, that David's basic point that you probably want to see if | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
you can fix what's broken in a very important relationship before you | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
break it off. It makes some sense to me. The Prime Minister's former | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
Welsh Secretary is among some 70 Tory MPs backing Wednesday's | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
Queen's Speech amendment, Sheryl Gillan thinks legislation is needed | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
now, partly to deal with the trust problem of the I think it is | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
important to restore some faith in our political parties and process. | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
Particularly in the Conservative Party. We have had so many promises | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
on referenda, but not a referendum the people have been able to vote | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
on since the 1970s. I, like many colleagues, think our relationship | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
does need renegotiation with the European Union. But it also then | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
needs putting to the people. It needs to be an in-out referendum. | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
The Prime Minister has promised that. But let's see him confirm | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
that, hopefully, with a piece of legislation. Tonight the Prime | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
Minister has done just that. Modifying his itinerary for | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
European renegotiation quite considerably. Half an hour ago he | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
announced he will tomorrow publish a draft parliamentary bill afterall. | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
It will legislation for an in-out referendum on Britain's membership | :07:57. | :08:04. | |
of the EU to be held by the end of 2017. Number Ten is urging | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
backbench MPs to adopt this legislation as their own. They | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
can't bring it as coalition legislation, the Lib Dems wouldn't | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
allow it. Whatever the speed of the journey, what's the cargo, what | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
does David Cameron want to bring back from Europe? Clearly there are | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
things that he could crack on with immediately and set out in more | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
detail. There are a lot of areas, for example fisheries policy, which | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
is already happening, access to benefits, which he is already | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
addressing. There are other areas as well, social employment law, the | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
budget, a whole range of areas around better regulation, the EU | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
doing less in Britain but better. In all these areas if you start to | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
address them now and give a bit more of a game plan his | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
backbenchers would probably be a bit happier, as would the public. | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
There are some in David Cameron's cabinet who think he should set out | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
what negotiations with Europe he plans, not so much detail he gives | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
the game away to European partners, but enough so that his voters and | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
his colleagues alike know what negotiation success and failure | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
looks like. Lib Dem sources have said this evening that the Tories | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
are banging on about Europe, the Prime Minister will hope his action | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
will actually be the last bang on the Europe drum for a while. But | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
with questions hanging over David Cameron's ambitions for | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
renegotiation, it's not clear it will be. Let's get some reaction to | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
what we have heard tonight, joining me now is the Tory MP Nadine Dorres, | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
who was expelled from her party over a reality show appearence and | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
has now been readmitted. And Stephen Dorrell who remembers the | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
John Major years and supports the Cameron strategy. And we will hear | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
from the spokesman of the European Council, Herman van Rompuy. What do | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
you make of this? It is interesting, it obviously shows the Prime | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
Minister is listeninging to both his backbenchers and actually -- | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
listeninging to both his backbenchers and the people of the | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
country, that is what they are there to represent. It is an | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
interesting move. What is worrying is we are still stuck in the time | :10:11. | :10:19. | |
frame of 2016, people want to see things through much quicker than | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
this. If we can bring forward legislation on gay marriage and | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
referendum on an AV referendum for the Liberal Democrats, then surely | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
we can bring something much quicker forward than 2017. Let me just get | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
to the nitty gritty on this, would you throw your name into the ballot, | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
would you put this one forward? and I think in this process, which | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
is being allowed there will be a number of MPs who will want to do. | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
That as you say it would be very difficult with the coalition. What | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
everybody will be unhappy with is the time frame of 2017. The fact is, | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
nobody knows what will happen in the general election. It may not be | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
a Conservative Government, I hope it will be, it isn't whoever comes | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
in will reverse this legislation. Does that mean you will drop the | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
amendment to the Queen's Speech, will that not go ahead? I have no | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
idea because this news has only just broken, we haven't discussed | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
this. I think the amendment still will go ahead. One important aspect | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
of this piece, this move is quite tactical. It means both Labour and | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
Liberal Democrats will have to expose their hand in a vote and | :11:24. | :11:34. | |
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their hand will be exposed as being anti- EU amendment. It is a clever | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
move tactically, but in terms of being a Private Members Bill, 2017 | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
is too far in the future F we can give gay marriage promises in | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
legislation and an AV referendum, we need to bring through this much | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
quicker. It smacks of appeasment and of the kind that never works? | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
don't think it is, it is confirming the policy the Prime Minister set | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
out in January. That is to say there are two stages to his policy, | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
not one. It is not just about a referendum as he made clear in | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
Washington today, it is about renegotiating the arrangement that | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
is reveil in Europe. As Nigel Lawson said in his article at the | :12:13. | :12:21. | |
beginning of the week, the facts have changed in the euro. There are | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
euro members and those who will never be part of it. Doesn't it | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
seem an odd time to pet it out? is exactly the same policy, as I | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
made the point. Why not just put it in the Queen's Speech or said it | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
out in January? It is the same policy set out inen ja. It is | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
suddenly being published as a draft bill tomorrow? You asked me two | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
questions. It is the same policy set out by the Prime Minister in | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
January as Conservative Party policy. It has not changed one iota | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
since then. It wasn't in the Queen's Speech, because it isn't a | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
coalition policy and this is a coalition Government. The Prime | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
Minister as leader of the Conservative Party has set out a | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
policy, it was endorsed very widely within the Conservative Party in | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
January, this bill is a consequential from that policy and | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
changes the policy not one iota. understand John Baron leading the | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
amendment to the Queen's Speech says that is still going ahead. So | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
this won't work if you still have 70 rebels or whatever number it | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
will be by then signing that? don't have a very strong view about | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
this, what I would regard frankly as parliamentary placard raising on | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
Wednesday. Which one? The amendment. What matters to me is there is a | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
clear policy which the Prime Minister has set out, which the | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
Prime Minister intends to carry through. This bill is a | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
consequential that will be necessary to complete the two aims | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
of that policy. First to renegotiate and then to put the new | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
settlement to a referendum when the negotiations are complete. What | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
would be enough for you now? If this is an olive branch of sorts | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
and you are talking about 2017, is there any compromise between here | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
and there? Legislation that will trigger article 50, that does give | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
a two-year time frame is the kind of legislation that we, as you call | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
us "rebels" are looking for. We are not rebels, we are MPs representing | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
the views of our constituents. A large majority of the British | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
public. That's what would keep us happy. It has to be a tighter time | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
frame. The fact is that if we talk about 2017 the general public are | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
going to say, if you can, just to appease the Liberal Democrats, give | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
a national referendum on AV, why can't you give us one on EU, that | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
is self-serving the public. I am awondering if this gives you | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
confidence that the Prime Minister is committed to Europe? The Prime | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
Minister in his speech in January did make a very strong case for | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
Britain's membership of the European Union, and why it was in | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
Britain's advantage and why leaving it would be a major problem for | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
Britain. And then promised a referendum on possibly leaving. But | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
I think if you are asking about views in Brussels generally, | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
Brussels is just the meeting place of the different countries of | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
Europe. I think there is quite a range of use, some are rather | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
perplexed, saying this is very serious matters, and others saying | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
no it is just about internal divisions of the Conservative Party. | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
Some think it is a serious prospect that Britain might leave the eflt U, | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
some say no, -- the EU, some say surely that would be economic | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
suicide for Britain. Is there room for renegotiation, is there wriggle | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
room within where the EU is now? The European Union is a permanent | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
negotiation among its 27-member states on the issues which they | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
decide and choose to deal with jointly, because of interdependance | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
and other advantages of doing something jointly. At one level it | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
is a permanent negotiation. Sorry to interrupt, is there anything | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
that the Prime Minister could renegotiate or is there enough that | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
he could renegotiate that would make you change your mind on a | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
referendum? It is not about me or the British public. They were given | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
a very simple choice when asked to go into the Common Market, did they | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
want to go in or didn't they, yes or no. People deserve exactly the | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
same choice in terms of exiting. Whether or not we have a choice, an | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
option of renegotiation is actually a completely separate issue. People | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
deserve a choice. Do you want to be in or out of the European Union. | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
They deserve that at the very least. Does it matter if David Cameron | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
sets out his stall or as has been said, if MPs are responding to | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
constituents' wishes it doesn't matter? We go back to the Nigel | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
Lawson point in the article that kicked off this round of debate. | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
This is not just a rerun of the all of arguments we have had over the | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
last 20 years, Europe is different, it is changing, because some | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
European countries are members of the euro, some are not. That | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
requires, there is no escape from this. What does he want to get, | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
what does David Cameron hope to achieve which would push any | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
thought of a referendum out of the British public's mind? He wants to | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
achieve a changed relationship between this country as a long-term | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
out. What is that? In other words a freer more distant relationship | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
that doesn't aspire at any point to be part of the euro. That is not | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
what we want. What we want is trading relationship, outward | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
looking, more market orientated, more flexible in terms of our | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
labour markets, our trading with the rest of the world. That is the | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
kind of relationship that all the euro-outs need to make the euro-out | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
relationship work with the euro state member. Do you understand | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
what is being asked for there, and is it feasible? A lot of people | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
here would like to know exactly what is being asked for. Britains | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
had a choice whether to join the euro or not, nobody is asking it to | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
join the euro. Britain is part of the single market, most people in | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
the country want to remain in the single market. That is the bulk of | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
what the EU does, the Common Market and rules for the Common Market. | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
Everyone is curious to know exactly what changes Britain might put | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
forward. At the moment nothing has actually been tabled by Britain | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
this is what a future Government might do. Nothing has been tabled | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
at the moment. Some don't understand what David Cameron is | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
actually asking for, how can it be negotiated? I think Angela Merkel | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
understands it. Every time David Cameron goes to Europe, goes to the | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
institutions of the EU people say he won't come back with anything. | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
The last time for real he went into a negotiation in Brussels. It was | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
to deliver something in terms of the European budget, which everyone | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
in it this country said of unachievable. He achieved it | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
because he established a relationship with Angela Merkel and | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
other European leaders who share our view about the necessity to | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
change the direction of the European Union, in the interests of | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
British citizens, but in the interests of the whole of the rest | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
of Europe as well. It will look to some as if the Prime Minister is | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
trying to catch up with the events of last week. You have suggested | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
some kind of double-ticket between UKIP and the Conservatives, or ways | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
that candidates could work together. Spell out what you would like to | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
see, what you meant by that? Can I just address the question just | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
asked. I think that one very simple answer to this problem, in terms of | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
people understanding what it is that David Cameron is trying to | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
achieve. What they would like is to be removed from the promise of | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
ever-closer political union. If they can be removed from that it is | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
quite a simple exercise, I think that is what we are looking for and | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
what the British public are looking for. My comments and my article on | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
Sunday were quite clear, actually. Two years ago David Cameron and | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
Nick Clegg changed the law, altered the legislation, so candidates | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
going forward at the 2015 election could put two logos on the ballot | :20:12. | :20:19. | |
paper. Some MPs may feel that rather than have a Conservative-Lib | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
Dem double logo, which was originally tendered, may want to go | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
forward with a Conservative-UK logo. That would mean Conservative MPs | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
being adopted by their local associations and endorsed by UKIP. | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
That could be a way forward. Could you embrace that or does it horrify | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
you? I don't agree with it, and I don't agree with it for a very | :20:40. | :20:48. | |
simple reason. In party system a party must decide which members it | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
enforce dors -- endorses it and which it doesn't, and Nigel Farage | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
hasn't shown much interest in that idea. In a moment the killer virus | :20:56. | :21:03. | |
passed by human contact. Is it bold to go into Syria or bolder to stay | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
out? Tonight as David Cameron talks up the prospect of peace, | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
negotiated with Russia, to stop the bloodshed, we ask what America's | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
tactics would be. Is intervention now impossible? Or is it long | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
overdue? What message is sent to the Syrian Government when the red | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
line is crossed and nothing happens? We have been on the trail | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
of the Prime Minister and President in Washington and we have this | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
report. Neither of these leaders has a simple answer to the Syrian | :21:32. | :21:41. | |
crisis. Advisers talk about each of them facing only bad options. There | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
might be another way. Hot foot from talking to President Putin on | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
Friday, the Prime Minister came bearing the gift of promised | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Russian co-operation in organising a Syrian peace conference. We all | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
have an interest in a stable, peaceful Syria, that looks after | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
minority rights and brings stability to the neighbourhood. I | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
think that was a breakthrough. I found in my talks with President | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
Putin that he's keen now to move from the generalities of having a | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
peace conference to talking through the specifics of how we can make | :22:17. | :22:25. | |
this work. Ameasure with domestic political difficulties, -- amesh | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
with domestic political difficulties, the leaders would | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
rather talk about domestic issues. Mr Cameron has been left | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
emphasisinging the chances that his recent talks with the Russians | :22:37. | :22:44. | |
might produce a peace conference. Good to see you. Can the Russian | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
offer to bring the Syrian Government to the negotiating table | :22:46. | :22:53. | |
amount to more than a glimmer of hope in a conflict that has already | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
claimed 08,000 lives. It is worth it for Prime Minister Cameron and | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
President Obama to try to see if the Russians can work together with | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
us on this endeavour. But I must say, the Russian track record is | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
not particularly brilliant. They have been sending arms to Syria, | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
they have been unstinting supporters of Syria, they have been | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
blocking all proposals in the UN Security Council for two years on | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
behalf of Syria. I think the pressure is on the Russians to show | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
they can be a productive and responsible counterpart to the | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
United Kingdom and the United States on this issue. The President | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
of the United States and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
Great Britain and Northern Ireland. President Obama's response to the | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
proposed Geneva peace conference showed an awareness of how small | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
its chances of success might be. I'm not promising that it is going | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
to be successful. Frankly, sometimes once the fueries have | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
been unleashed in a situation like Syria, it is very hard to put | :23:57. | :24:07. | |
:24:07. | :24:08. | ||
things back together. There are going to be enormous challenges in | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
getting a credible process going. Even if Russia is involved. At the | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
end of this one got the impression that the two leaders don't pin any | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
great hopes on a negotiated solution, despite Russia's apparent | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
change of position. All this debate may have done about a peace | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
conference is delay by a few weeks the decision that the US and UK | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
have to make about whether to arm the opposition. When it comes to | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
fuelling the conflict by sending in weapons, neither of these partners | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
are prepared to cross that rubicon now, despite the reports of | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
chemical weapons being used. have not made the decision to arm | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
opposition groups in Syria, what we have done is we have amended the EU | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
arms embargo, in order that we can give technical assistance and | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
technical advice, as I said in my statement, that's exactly what we | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
are doing. We are continuing to examine and look at the EU arms | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
embargo and see whether we need to make further changes to it in order | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
to facilitate our work with the opposition. Neither leader wants to | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
escalate their involvement in Syria. Thank you very much everybody. | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
the pressure of events on the ground, from regional spillover to | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
the risks of chemical weapons causing mass casualties could | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
easily force their hand. Let's pick up with our Washington | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
correspondent. You talked about the leaders not having great hopes from | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
this conference and yet it seems there is a time pressure of sorts. | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
What ultimately do you think they will do? It is such a difficult | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
issue. One should say one of the reasons they may not be that | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
hopeful is that their allies, the umbrella group of Syrian opposition | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
forces have really rejected this type of approach in the past and | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
have hinted today that they are not going to go for it now. It is not | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
as if the western side of this can deliver their side of it, let alone | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
the Russian side, which they always choose to foblg cuss on. This | :26:09. | :26:18. | |
question of how -- focus on. This question of how the countries | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
should act has been going on throughout the conflict. You can | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
see a slow and steady movement throughout the US. A year ago it | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
was a couple of Republican senators forcefully advocating the US should | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
get involved. Now you have a different situation, late last year | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
the head of the CIA, the Defence Secretary, both suggested arming | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
the opposition, the White House overruled them. Last week the | :26:40. | :26:50. | |
chairman of the for -- Foreign Relations Group said he was going | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
to put forward a bill to arm the rebels. It is the White House and | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
the President who has stood against it. Everything would change if | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
there was shocking news relating to chemical weapons and large-scale | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
casualties. Even if that doesn't happen that is what the President | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
is being pulled towards by political forces and professional | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
advice here. The UK it is a slightly different equation, they | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
will carry on aid to the opposition groups but they may stop short of | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
weapons. It does seem that President Obama is being drawn | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
towards that kind of step. Particularly if these attempted | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
peace moves don't produce a result in the next few weeks. Here to | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
discuss this from Washington is the US deputy secretary for defence | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
under President George W Bush. In a moment we will be joined by Florida | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
from a member of the Syrian Support Group, who regularly spends time | :27:43. | :27:49. | |
with the Free Syrian Army members in Aleppo. We also have our guest | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
in the studio. Do you think this peace negotiation stands a chance | :27:55. | :28:05. | |
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in a conference? It would be wonderful to get a peaceful end to | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
the slaughter. We have had meetings before, and it don't stop anything. | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
I don't know what they are talking about when they talk about a | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
Russian change in position. The Russians are firm their position | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
does not include that Assad must leave. They haven't said anything | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
about a stable democratic Syria, which is what Prime Minister | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
Cameron's side talk about. They talk about protecting Syria's | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
integrity and sovereignty. That means protecting the present | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
Government. In the meantime they are escalating, using more violent | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
weapons, including chemical weapons and mobilising violent militias, | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
they are bringing in Iranians and Hezbollah. They are fighting while | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
pretending to negotiate. And we are pretending to negotiate while doing | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
nothing. I think it is a desperate situation. The longer we wait the | :28:50. | :29:00. | |
fewer options we have. How far would your intervention go then? | :29:00. | :29:07. | |
Look a year ago, two years ago we could have done a lot, simply by | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
supporting the opposition, there are moderate elements within the | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
opposition I believe, as time as gone on the extremists have come to | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
play a more and more significant role. The people who were moderate | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
are now deeply resentful of us. I'm not so sure what options we have, | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
but I do know there is no hope for a negotiation unless there is some | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
leverage on the side of the opposition and we have given them | :29:29. | :29:36. | |
no leverage at all. Let me throw a few thoughts at you, you tell me | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
yes or no. Would you arm rebels? That's obviously one of the ways in | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
which you can give them some leverage. We haven't been in there | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
enough to know which rebels we can work with and which can't. There | :29:49. | :29:56. | |
are some you would not want to arm at all. I would, look there is | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
nothing to be confident about except that we should have acted a | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
year or two years ago. Right now instead of dithering and talking | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
about a fruitless meeting with the Russians we should be getting in | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
there and figuring out our options. We can't do that in Washington. | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
understand you are saying it is too late, but we are where we are, what | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
would you do tomorrow if you were in charge? I would be sending | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
people in with a mandate, where we find opposition groups that are | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
prepared for a democratic and inclusive Syria, that are not | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
extremists, that we would in fact give them the kind of basic | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
defensive weaponry which we have an abundance. We would train them | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
openly, not covertly we would help them organise. We can do that I | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
presume on the territory of neighbouring countries. We can | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
create protected zones operating out of Turkey. But the important | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
thing is to have a strategy. Could that work, you heard about the idea | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
of being involved, intervention? haven't heard anything, actually. | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
There is obviously a lack of strategy, how can you succeed in | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
anything if you don't have a strategy. He fails to see peace, he | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
says it is going to fail and it is going to fail if they don't see it, | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
the others or the US. I don't believe that somebody with such | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
humanitarian deSAS ters on his CV to give me a strategy. The army | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
would need to progress but in the wrong direction. If you are heading | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
on the wrong direction the last thing you need is a progress. You | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
need a peaceful strategy for solution. We are past that aren't | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
we? No we are not. There is the lovely idea of the conference with | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
the Russians but it is not going to happen. | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
It is going in the right direction towards peace. You know the Free | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
Syrian Army high command, would you be confident that if rebels were | :31:57. | :32:04. | |
armed it would get into the right hand? Definitely, I would like | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
first to highlight that the relationship between the commanders | :32:08. | :32:14. | |
of the Free Syrian Army and the US add minutes and the European Union, | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
this relationship has been well established, communication has been | :32:19. | :32:28. | |
open and understanding of mutual a greeplt -- agreement being reached. | :32:28. | :32:34. | |
Over and over there has been relayed the point of view regarding | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
Syria about...That Is the top of the high command, what about the | :32:37. | :32:46. | |
defections lower down that you can't stop? I'm sorry I didn't hear | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
the question. There have been defections from within the Free | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
Syrian Army, people turning to Islamist groups instead, Al-Qaeda- | :32:53. | :33:00. | |
linked groups instead? This is not a defection in the general word of | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
defection. The fighters on the ground are lack weapons, they are | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
lacking food, they are lacking supplies. They are looking for | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
somebody to support them. We in the western Hemisphere we have an | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
option to be the side that can provide all of these means by | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
providing arms and support to the Free Syrian Army commanders. Then | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
gathering all of these fighters, or by creating a vacuum, which is what | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
we have been doing for the past two years. We have allowed extremists | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
and radical groups to attract these fighters. It is very clear, and | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
that has been relaid very clear, that we have no interest in radical | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
groups being in Syria. We have no interest in chemical weapons being | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
in the future of Syria. We are working hard to control our | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
fighters so they can abide by the international law. Would you feel | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
confident, from what you have heard, then, that there are groups that | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
have worked properly with US force that is you would feel confident | :34:07. | :34:15. | |
about arming in this situation? Confident might be a word you can't | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
use in this situation at this point. Would you do it? I feel reasonably | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
confident that if continue to sit on our hands and do nothing the | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
choice will be either between essentially an Assad controlling | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
Syria, which we understand said was unacceptable, or extremist groups | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
taking over. We need to find a third force, hopefully there is one, | :34:39. | :34:46. | |
or we are definitely the loser. 80,000 casualties and two years of | :34:46. | :34:54. | |
inaction? Exactly and 200 people dying a day. $100 million losses a | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
day. It has to stop, you end war with a political decommission, not | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
with an army who doesn't know who is a prter in. When the choices are | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
getting limited by the day. Now the arming is a choice to combat Al- | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
Qaeda, not the ray genome. It is getting extremely complex. You | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
don't know who is fighting against who. The more people holding a | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
weapon the more likely they will go to Al-Qaeda the next day. You can't | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
keep them under control. I would say it is extremely complex and we | :35:22. | :35:30. | |
have to head to peace. Thank you very much indeed. No-one knows | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
where the virus has come from, but the World Health Organisation has | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
warned it can be passed by close personal contact. The global | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
outbreak has called killed 18 people and infected 34. In France a | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
man is in intensive care after sharing a room with the country's | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
first victim. Most of the cases have been in Saudi Arabia or | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
affecting those travelling in the Middle East. The virus appears to | :35:57. | :36:04. | |
be incubated by bats. It was the virus that caused widespread alarm | :36:04. | :36:11. | |
in the world's most populated country. 8,000 infections and 800 | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
deaths. The SARS virus back in 2003. Now a new virus from the same | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
family has scientists on alert again. The focus this time has not | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
been Hong Kong and China, but the Middle East. In Saudi Arabia at the | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
weekend, the World Health Organisation gave the latest update. | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
The different clusters seen in multiple countries increasingingly | :36:35. | :36:43. | |
support the hypothesis that when there is close contact this novel | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
corona virus can transmit from person-to-person, this pattern of | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
person-to-person transmission has remained limited to small clusters. | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
So far there is no evidence that this virus has the capacity to | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
sustain generalised community transmission. Since last year there | :36:59. | :37:06. | |
have been confirmed cases in Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
and most prevalently in Saudi Arabia. In February this year a | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
cancer sufferer from Birmingham died after contracting the virus. | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
Husband us husband is thought to have caught the virus from his | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
father who was travelling to Saudi Arabia, his father died in March. | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
worrying feature of the SARS virus, is a patient could infect a large | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
number of people, often healthcare workers in hospitals. We saw | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
examples where maybe 70 people were exposed during a single clinical | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
episode. A large number of those people became infected and a large | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
number died. That hasn't happened with this particular corona virus. | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
It seems much more limited in its ability to spread from person-to- | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
person. We have had to look quite hard to find the clusters which are | :37:53. | :38:00. | |
some what hospital-based. The virus is a new form of corona virus. A | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
family which have spikey surfaces, hence corona, or crown. Scientists | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
have a lot of unanswered questions about the latest form, not least | :38:09. | :38:17. | |
where it came from. Most outside, would point to the bat. | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
For years we overlooked these bats. There are still I don't knows of | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
them around. They are in great numbers, they freak close together. | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
We are realise -- frequent close together. We realise they are the | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
source of a lot of viruses. The finger is pointing at the bat. But | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
how do we come in contact with a bat. We might if bats are up in the | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
Belfry or the roof of the house. That is one way. But the bats | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
themselves could come in contact with a rat, who comes in contact | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
with a camel in the area and we go to the camel farms. At the moment | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
to get infects we have to have a connection with the Middle East and | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
a source. Last month a case crept up in France. A 65-year-old man, | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
who had recently visited Dubai. Then last week a 50-year-old man in | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
the same hospital room caught the virus from that first case. The new | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
French cases are the first to suggest the virus has been passed | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
between people with less close contact than a family setting. It | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
raises the possibility it can be spread in the air. People have | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
always moved around. But now that we can reach pretty much anywhere | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
on earth within 24 hours, so can a virus. The fact that so far this | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
virus seems to have one home base is reassuring. But what scientists | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
are watching for is any sign that it can spread beyond small clusters | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
in a way that is sustained. Most corona viruses prefer to just | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
multiply in one host. So we have our own corona viruses, cows have | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
their own corona viruses as do bats. Normally they don't particularly | :39:57. | :40:06. | |
like mult supplying in cells from a host that is not -- multiplying in | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
cells from a host that is not their own. This virus can multiply in | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
cells that are in different animals, or it might be able to have | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
different reservoirs and be transmitted today humans from | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
different sources. That is a worrying feature. What is the best | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
way of limiting the spread of this new virus? There is no anti-virl | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
drug, or magical cure for these viruses. You feel awful, there is | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
no vaccine, it is best not to get infect in the first place. How do | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
we avoid that. I will go to Dubai tomorrow, and I will avoid going to | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
farms or on any desert trips and looking in caves where there could | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
be bats. I will increase my hygiene level. That means proper low | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
watching your hand and a bit of social distancing. However awkward | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
that might be to an English person, moving away from someone a cough, | :40:59. | :41:07. | |
that is what you really have to do. We know this virus can kill, we | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
don't know if many others have been exposed to it and shown milder | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
systems. Scientists are waiting for test results to help answer that | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
question, that and many others they have about this virus. We are | :41:20. | :41:27. | |
joined from Maryland by Dr Fauci, a leading scientist and immunologist. | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
He as also an adviser to the White House on medical and public health | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
preparedness against disease and threat. His organisation is | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
investigating the nature of the corona virus. I want to ask you | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
whether that sound realistic, this idea of social distancing when you | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
travel. Is that something people should be reallying on board now? | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
think if you see someone who is coughing very aggressively, you | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
want to avoid them. Trying to modify just your every day social | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
interaction is probably not a practical thing. These people get | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
infected, they get rather sick. There have been 34 infections in 18 | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
dates. When a person gets infected they generally start coughing and | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
would spread it that way. If you are talking about social distancing. | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
By avoiding that, washing your hand and doing the usual type of hygiene | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
you would do to avoid any respiratory infections, such as | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
influenza, that would be important. Pure social discipline is difficult | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
to implement. This idea of the origin coming from bats. Does that | :42:38. | :42:46. | |
make sense to you? The way it has travelled through the system? | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
makes perfect accepts. Different species have different viruses | :42:49. | :42:55. | |
associated with them. When you do molecular sequencing of the corona | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
virus affecting people in the Middle East, it is very similar to | :42:59. | :43:06. | |
a bat corona virus. The question is, are humans getting it from direct | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
exposure to bats. Or are bats infecting another mammal and the | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
human are getting infected by being exposed to the secondary or | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
tertiary host. Right now we really don't know what the source is, even | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
though we do know that the virus itself is related very much to a | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
bat corona virus. That is still a mystery. When you are looking for | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
the source how easy is it to work with the health departments of | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
other Governments, particularly within the Middle East? Well the | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
health departments right now there is an alert out, WHO particularly, | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
here in the United States we are following this very, very closely, | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
because of the events that have occurred for example in the UK and | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
in France. Where people have travelled from the Middle East to | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
countries like the UK and France. So when we have people coming from | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
the Middle East here who have respiratory symptoms, which is very | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
common and doesn't have to be the corona virus, we make sure we watch | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
them carefully and have them see a if I igs and get them checked out, | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
if -- physician, and get them checked out if it is an exposure. | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
We hear it is difficult to get information out of Saudi Arabia, | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
which seems to be he is enter of the virus, they are not offering up | :44:22. | :44:28. | |
what is going on? Well I'm not so sure that is the case. The WHO | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
officials as well as the CDC officials, our own CDC in the | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
United States have had pretty good communecations with the Saudi | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
officials. They have reported that in fact they have had clusters of | :44:41. | :44:48. | |
what looks like human-to-human transmission in Saudi Arabian | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
health facilities. They are being open about that. Just before we go | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
and I show you the papers, Manchester City have confirmed they | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
have sacked their manager, Roberto Macini, after the defeat in the FA | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
Cup Final against Watford. Sorry, Wigan, that will be two new | :45:09. | :45:19. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 42 seconds | :45:19. | :46:01. | |
The commander of the International Space Station Chris Hadfield comes | :46:01. | :46:10. | |
back to earth this evening, after regaling us with YouTube videos | :46:10. | :46:17. | |
while in space. He has decided to delight or traumatise David Bowie | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
fans. # This is Major Tom to ground | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
control # I've left forever more | :46:27. | :46:36. |