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Tonight, MI5 hand over their preliminary report on what they | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
knew about the men from the Woolich murders. More questions are raised | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
about the Security Services involvement. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Abu Nusaybah, arrested after being on Newsnight on Friday, writes to | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
the chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee, Malcolm | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
Rifkind, with disturbing claims of what might have contributed to | :00:35. | :00:41. | |
Michael Adebolajo's behaviour. We will discuss that with Sir Malcolm. | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
Thousands of Iraqis dead since April, is the country supposedly | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
liberated by the US and British invasion ten years ago now in | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
danger of falling apart. The call of the wild, should wolves, | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
bears and moose, and other British animals be reintroduced? How would | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
farmers react. We have discussion on rewilding of Britain. | :01:02. | :01:11. | |
You have a problem with sheep? are the white playing that has -- | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
plague and destroyed our hills. They have uploaded our ecosystem, | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
they have reduced it to a bowling green with contours. A better way | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
it teach our children, we hear about maths teaching done on-line, | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
and real live teachers spend more time offering one-to-one tuition. | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
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We ask the founder will it work in the UK. | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
Good evening, Abu Nusaybah, friend of the man arrested at the scene of | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
the Woolich murder of Drummer Lee Rigby. Has written to the chairman | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
of the Commons Intelligence and Security Committee with further | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
allegations about the role of MI5. Abu Nusaybah was arrested | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
immediately after an interview with Newsnight on Friday. From prison he | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
has written to Malcolm Rifkind asking his committee to investigate | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
if there was a connection between MI5 and the mistreatment of the | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
suspected killer, Michael Adebolajo. It is claimed he suffered at the | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
hands of the Kenyan authorities. Richard Watson who interviewed Abu | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
Nusaybah on Friday is with us. There was a furore after the | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
interview, remind us of the allegations he's been making about | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
MI5? It is important to remember that Abu Nusaybah is being held at | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
the moment in police custody on suggestions or allegations | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
unconnected to the actual Woolich murders. However, he's clearly a | :02:35. | :02:42. | |
man who knows the suspect quite closely. He grew up with him, he | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
converted to Islam in 2003/04, they were both connected with the | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
extremist group Al-Muhajiroun. In his interview with me he made some | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
serious allegations against MI5. Did he blame MI5 for the harassment. | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
Do you suspect that his argument was it made him more angry? | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
exact words were the Kenor torturers, as I call them, their | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
statement was "do you think your Government is going to help you, | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
who do you think asked us to do this". That was his own statement, | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
that is very clear as far as he is concerned you know that the British | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
Government had involvement in it. Whether it is MI5, whether it is | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
any other branch of the Government. But definitely somebody had form of | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
involvement according to his own words. You can't be sure about that | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
can you? You have only got his judgment for that? It is his | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
statement. But you know what I'm pretty confident because I'm fully | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
aware that there is an investigation into the intelligence | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
regarding him. I'm almost certain that it will come to light if it is | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
an honest investigation. Those are the allegations and they | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
are just allegations. What has been the official response? These | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
allegations concern principally his visit to Kenya in 2010 and his | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
allegation that he was tortured. He really says that MI5 was some how | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
aware of his mistreatment, he also said they harassed him after he | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
came back to the UK in 2010. One can't expect the Security Service | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
to comment in detail about the specific case. In general terms | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
sources say, they make the point that British Security Services and | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
the police don't get involved in torture. And they also made the | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
point that harassment is one way of putting it, but it is not uncommon | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
for the Security Service, for example, to approach an individual, | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
who may be considered a potential asset on numerous occasions. So one | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
man's harassment may be another person's diligence. We will talk to | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
Sir Malcolm in a moment about the letter, what is in it? The letter | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
is quite extraordinary. In it he says he had no participation or | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
knowledge of the shooting. However he did not deny that this | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
individual was known to him and an associate of his for a number of | :05:04. | :05:12. | |
years. On his detention in Kenya he goes on to write, "Michael was told | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
by his captors that this action by them was at the behest of the UK | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
authorities. He could not forget or forgive them for this connivance in | :05:20. | :05:30. | |
this brutal treatment". He goes on to make another claim, | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
"I implore you to investigate any connection between the UK and | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
Kenyan authorities in the mistreatment of Michael Adebolajo | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
whilst in their hands ". Quite serious allegations. Can you clear | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
up one point, there is a lot of confusion about the movement of | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
these suspects, what do you know about that? The timeline has been | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
crystalising since I did the interview on Friday. I think what | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
is crystalising out of this at the moment is that Michael Adebolajo | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
went to Kenya in 2010. He says on his account he was detained, we | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
know he was detained. He says he was tortured, the Foreign Office | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
has confirmed that he received consular assistance then, we can be | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
sure he was there. He travelled back to the UK in 2010. He says on | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
his account he was repeatedly approached by MI5, put under | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
harassment, so he says. Crucially my understanding is that he also | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
tried to travel abroad just last year. That's unconfirmed. But the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
suggestion I'm getting is he was stopped or persuaded not to travel | :06:26. | :06:33. | |
abroad last year too. Sir Malcolm Rifkind is chairman of | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
the Intelligence and Security Committee which is charged | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
withholding the intill begins services to account on behalf of | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
parliament and the public. These allegations from Abu Nusaybah in | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
the letter to you about alleged MI5 harassment and also potentially | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
complicity, will you be looking into them? I can confirm I have | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
received that letter and we will treat it as we are treating all the | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
other reports that have appeared in the newspapers, or on television, | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
making various claims about whether the intelligence agencies were | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
involved. That is our job, our job is to look at these matters, I have | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
already had an initial conversation with the head of MI5. He is very | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
anxious to co-operate very fully with the Intelligence and Security | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Committee. Of course we have very considerable new powers under the | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
justice and security act, which has just come into force. We can, we | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
don't have to ask for documents we can require them. We have the legal | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
requirement to see what needs to be seen and we can also look at the | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
source material they have, the reports, the intelligence material, | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
if that is relevant to the issues at stake. Those are powers you | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
didn't have before? No we were dependant on the voluntary co- | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
operation of the agencies in the past. The other side of this is | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
people will also want to know you are looking into other allegations | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
which have been widely covered in the press which are simply that MI5 | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
perhaps could have done more, that they had tabs on these people but | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
didn't look closely enough? I won't comment on that at the moment. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
Obviously we have to carry out the inquiry. What I would say is that | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
do look at the record of the last year, few years since the 7/7 | :08:11. | :08:19. | |
bombings. We have not had a single British citizen killed until the | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
tragic events at Woolich since 2005. That doesn't mean that there | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
haven't been terrorist plots, there has been one or two plots a year. | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
Each of them were disrupted by MI5, the other intelligence agencies and | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
the police working very, very effectively together. That is a | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
record which is certainly very impressive. I'm not commenting on | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
what happened in Woolich, that is a matter we have to look into still. | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
But MI5 can certain low say they have served the country well over - | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
- certainly say they have served the country well preventing further | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
terrorist attacks. It is judgment, they have to keep tabs on some | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
people they find unsavoury, but in the public interest try to get them | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
to co-operate, that is quite tricky? The question of approaching | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
people, again not commenting on the current case, but as a general | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
principle all intelligence agencies as a fundamental part of their job | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
to try to find individuals and terrorist organisations, or | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
extremist organisations, who are prepared to share information with | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
the intelligence agencies. That is a good thing? Of course, it is | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
exactly is supposed to happen. That is why you prevent these things | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
happening. Why people co-operate can be for a number of reasons. | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
Sometimes they have stopped being extremists and turned against the | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
organisation of which they are a member, and want to help prevent | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
terrorism. Sometimes they have had some disagreement with the other | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
people in the organisation. They have a sense of grievance. | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
Sometimes they want to be paid. But in each case it can sometimes be a | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
very valuable source of information. You point out you have new and | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
better powers. You presume below also want to get on with it? We are | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
getting on with it. How quickly do you think you can do it. One of the | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
criticisims after 7/7 is there were so many stories and rumours which | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
wasn't to anyone's advantage? have already begun the process. I | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
have had an initial conversation with the head of MI5. Today we | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
received the committee itself received a preliminary report from | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
MI5 outlining the overall background to the situation. What | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
we expect MI5 to do now and what we know they are going to be doing is | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
looking into their own files and sources of information, bringing | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
together all the material they have that might be relevant to our | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
inquiries. Once they have done that then the next stage will be for us | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
to take evidence from MI5 and to study the documentation that may be | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
put before us. How quickly do you think you could actually publish | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
this? I don't know.A few months? Who knows, we will produce it as | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
quickly as we can. It is more important to get the right | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
conclusion than to get a hurried conclusion. When we come to a | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
conclusion we do two things. First of all we send a report to the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
Prime Minister, but at the same time a report will be presented to | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
parliament which will be published. Some of that report may have to be | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
redacted, some information may have to be left out, but only on grounds | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
of national security, and we will decide whether there are grounds of | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
national security that require these redaxs, but I can certainly - | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
- de dactions, regardless of the changes needed to be made to the | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
public document, we will reach conclusions as to whether in our | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
judgment MI5 acted reasonably or not. | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
In the run up to the Iraq War the then US Secretary of State, Colin | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
Powell, commented if you break it you own it. By his standards even | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
after the withdrawal of the haeorn and British troops the state of | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
Iraq is broken, and even perhaps now we own a part of that mess. | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
More than 500 Iraqios have died this month in sectarian conflict, | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
bringing the death toll to 1,000 since April. There are fears the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
country could fall apart. When the European Union is considering how | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
to help arm the Syrian opposition, we have been examining the bloody | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
intervention in neighbouring Iraq ten years ago. | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
In Iraq the ebb and flow of violence can be measured in car | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
bombs. There were 15 yesterday killing 70 people. That's a level | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
of trouble reminiscent of the dark days of 2006, when the country | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
seemed to be plunging into Civil War. Sectarian tensions between | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
Sunni and Shia are high once more. And many are blaming the Prime | :12:41. | :12:48. | |
Minister, Nouri al-Maliki. belief is Al-Maliki is seen as | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
responsible for the security. He took it upon himself to make | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
security the platform on which he runs for the elections. And so as | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
things get worse his opponents, even those that are in Government | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
but are his opponents believe that this is not such a bad thing for | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
them. So they haven't really put in the effort to try to stop the | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
violence from rising. This is what we saw during the | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
American surge, how flash point neighbourhoods were sealed off to | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
thwart sectarian death squads. Special force, meanwhile, took | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
apart the car bombing gangs and the combined effect meant that the | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
violence had been largely stopped by 2008. | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
But Sunni unrest and counter violence has escalated and local | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
elections last month were suspended in two key Sunni provinces. Those | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
who back the Prime Minister and Shia majority argue the trouble has | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
come from those who cannot accept the new Iraq. | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
Through this change in 2003, through the democratic process it | :13:56. | :14:05. | |
can't be the same way as before. Some of the Sunnis feel not happy. | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
Whatever they get because they were the rulers, now they are part of | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
the rulers. Sips the Americans have gone Mr Al- | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
Maliki -- since the Americans have gone, Mr Al-Maliki has tried to | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
arrest his Vice President and other Sunni leading ministers, and they | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
have left Baghdad, saying they are unsafe. With bombs now targeting | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
the Shia power base of Sadr City, there was another there today. He | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
has tried to defend his stance as a non-sectarian leader. | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
TRANSLATION: The cabinet has unanimously agreed to stand as one | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
to confront the crisis and send a message of reassurance that all are | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
in agreement of shouldering their responsibility and confronting the | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
outlaws regardless of their affiliation, sex or political party | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
they belong to. The war in Syria is stirring tensions too. Posters to | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
those who have died fighting in Syria have appeared in Iraq, in | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
both Shia and Sunni communities. The international front tear | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
between Iraq and Syria is well known, established early in the | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
20th century. The sectarian boundary is quite different. This | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
is it in simplified form. The fault line runs through Iraq with the | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
majority Sunni areas to the west and North West of that line there | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
in orange. The strongholds of resistance in | :15:25. | :15:32. | |
Ramadi and Fallujah, now in Hamah and Homs way to the west, the Sunni | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
majority cities and the strong resistance to the Assad regime. | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
Syrian conflict is having an impact on Iraq. It is having an impact | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
politically because different people within the Iraqi governing | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
class have a different approach of how they should be dealing with the | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
crisis. On the ground it is having an impact. The borders are very | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
poor as everyone knows. Iraq suffered from that reality when | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
fighters were coming from Syria into Iraq. Now we have the opposite. | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
There is a lot of talk about fighters and weapons and money | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
being taken going into Syria. last few days have taken Baghdad | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
back to the dark hours of several years ago. | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
Reconciliation between the communities could hardly be more | :16:16. | :16:26. | |
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urgent. But events in Syria can't help that. Dr Zuhair al Nahar is a | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
spokesperson for Nouri al-Maliki's heart. We are joined by a research | :16:30. | :16:37. | |
fellow fromp Kennedy Cool. Zuhair al Nahar, how far is this a crisis | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
of Mr Al-Maliki's making, he has alienated large sections of the | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
Sunni population? Prime Minister Al-Maliki ran on the basis of non- | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
sectarian. He formed the State of Law coalition, which aimed to get | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
all parties and people of all communities under a political | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
banner. It is not working, that is the point. Has he given up on the | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
Sunnis? The main problem is there are extremist Sunni elements allied | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
with the former militant regime supporters of Saddam. Those are the | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
ones who have been causing all the problems. They have been attacking | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
Shia areas, but also Sunni areas. They have been killing Sunnis and | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
Shias, with the aim of destablising the political process, the new | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
democracy that Iraq has become. is working from their point of view, | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
presumably? These plans will not succeed, because we saw today the | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
whole of the Iraqi cabinet, including major Sunni members of | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
the Government, the Deputy Prime Minister, and other Sunni ministers | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
joining together and supporting the army and the Government. Let me | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
bring Nussaibah Younis in, you wrote that Mr Al-Maliki should | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
resign as Prime Minister, why do you think that? I think that at the | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
moment we're in a really serious situation where unless something | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
drastic is done the violence in Iraq threatens to spiral out of | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
control. I don't think the resignation of Prime Minister Al- | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
Maliki will solve all of Iraq's problems. But I think what it could | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
do is jump start a process of political reconciliation that | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
absolutely the only thing standing between Iraq now and all-out Civil | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
War. Can I ask you though can anybody hold this country together? | :18:27. | :18:34. | |
That's not a dictator like Saddam. Do you think a democratic Iraq can | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
join up? It is absolutely possible. What Iraq needs is a political | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
elite with a real vision for Iraqi unity. And what that requires is | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
recognising that Iraq's in a post- Civil War, but pre-reconciled state. | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
And unless there is a serious process of reconciliation then you | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
are never going to have a political settlement that will be durable. | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
And unfortunately Iraq's political elite, since 2010, since the very | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
promising showingings in the 2010 elections where people did vote for | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
coalitions that were crosssectarian and moderate. Since that time | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
Iraq's political elites have unfortunately squadered the | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
opportunity to engage, to take up that opportunity to have a real | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
process of reconciliation. Dr Al Nahar how much does Syria | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
complicate what is going on in Iraq. Are you getting a sill spillover | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
from there? Syria -- a spillover from there? Syria is a big worry. | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
Iraq has always had the view that both side of the Syrian conflict | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
should not be armed. That will only escalate the situation and increase | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
loss of life. Can I pursue that for a moment, today we have reported | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
that the European Union, prompted by Britain and France is lifting | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
the arms embargo. Your Government believes that is wrong? Absolutely, | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
we believe arming one side or both sides or any side will just | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
escalate the conflict and cause more loss of life. Including the | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
Russians sending anti-aircraft missiles to the Assad regime? | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
don't support that at all. We support the idea of encouraging | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
both sides to sit down and negotiate a peaceful settlement. | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
that using actually a spillover of violence. There are fighters moving | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
around in that area and it is very difficult to quite keep track? | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
indeed. What I mentioned that the extremist Sunni elements allied | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
with the former militant ba'athists, they are causing all the bloodshed | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
in Iraq. With the aim of stirring up sectarian war. This will not | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
succeed, because the majority of Shias have resisted that. They want | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
the unity of Iraq and they want the violence to stop. How bad do you | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
worry it might get, you laid out an optimistic scenario, what is the | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
pessimistic one? The real worry this time is because Syria is | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
already in a deep low intractable and violent Civil War that if -- | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
deeply and intractable and violent Civil War, if Iraq is allowed to | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
collapse at the moment the impact on the whole of the Middle East | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
could be enormous. You could see a division of the Middle East by | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
sectarian fault lines. We have already this week seen Hezbollah | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
throw in its lot behind Assad. You know in a much more forceful way | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
than we have seen before. We already have some involvement by | :21:34. | :21:42. | |
elements of the Iraqi population in the Syrian crisis. If Iraq is | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
allowed to collapse at this stage, we could see a vast expansion of | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
the remit of the Syrian conflict. That doesn't been fit anyone. | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
a final thought on that, does Britain and the United States still | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
bear some responsibility for this do you think? I mentioned Colin | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
Powell's dictum, if you brake it you own it? I believe that America | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
-- "if you break it you own it"? I believe America must put more | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
effort into trying to contain foreign interference in Iraq, | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
possibly by the gulf states feeding those extremists in Iraq. There is | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
a big role that the western powers can play. As far as the point | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
concerned, Iraq will not collapse or go into Civil War. Because the | :22:29. | :22:36. | |
people, the tribes, the Government and the politicians are behind the | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
army and the police and the extremists are being isolated on a | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
daily basis. Now imagine over the bank holiday weekend that you went | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
for a report in the British countryside and came across some | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
traditional species of animals, bears, bison, lynx, and one of | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
these, a wolf. These were all traditionally British until human | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
beings contributed to their extinction on our islands. Now the | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
writer and broadcaster George Monbiot suggests a programme he | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
calleds rewilding, turning unproductive farmland back over to | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
nature. And perhaps bringing fellows like our stuffed friend | :23:21. | :23:30. | |
:23:31. | :23:33. | ||
over there unstuffed. To most of us the Upland Moors are | :23:33. | :23:42. | |
Britain at its most majestic. A magnificent natural landscape. | :23:42. | :23:50. | |
One of our nation's last unspoilt wildernesses. But a growing | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
campaign seeks to transform these landscapes forever. Turning | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
Britain's moorland into this. The process is being called rewilding, | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
the idea is to let nature take control of the landscape. To | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
reverse thousands of years of democracycation, and allowing an -- | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
Dom messcation, and allowing ancient ecosystem like this one to | :24:13. | :24:23. | |
:24:23. | :24:25. | ||
reassert themselves. Britain's rewilder in chief is George Monbiot. | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
What went on here was mining and the trees were burnt and cut and | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
cleared and you end up with this, a barren landscape. What you have | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
here is heather and rough grassland is typical of the vegetation you | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
get all over the world where you have had repeated reforestation, | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
you get low vegetation like this. In Britain we fetishise it and say | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
this is what we want to preserve. In the management plan they | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
describe trees as undesirable and invasive species. His idea of what | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
should happen is woodland like this, 20 years ago this was open moorland. | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
All right we see this real transformation of the ecosystem. It | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
was bleak and barren, there was very little living here, now we | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
have the trees, the insects which are coming in and eating the tree, | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
we have the birds eating the insects, we have underfloor things | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
growing. Woodland on the whole is much more biodiverse and richer, it | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
has more ecological niches, it has cover, which is what so many | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
species need. But creating places like this means | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
making some profound changes to the way land in Britain is managed. | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
Starting by getting rid of the woolly ruminant from Mesopotamia, | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
which George Monbiot clearly regards as an undesirable immigrant. | :25:47. | :25:55. | |
You seem to have a bit of a problem with sheep? Yes, they are the white | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
plague which has destroyed the vegetation. The white plague? | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
they have deluded the entire upland ecosystem, they have reduced it to | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
a bowling green with contours. This was a very rich, forested, abundant | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
ecosystem with variety of species. Some will say George you are being | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
niave, the sheep are here for an economic reason? I understand that, | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
the really reason they are here because we pay for it. The average | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
subsidy a hill farmer gets in Wales is �53,000. Not surprisingly these | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
ideas are proving controversial, particularly with those who have | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
most to lose like sheep farmers? have producing some food for the | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
population of these hills. No other animal can do that, that is why we | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
have sheep farmers in Wales. says if you were to get rid of the | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
sheep and reintroduce some of the old trees and stuff that used to | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
grow up there, you would have a much richer ecosystem? Five million | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
years ago there was only a few thousand people living in the world, | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
that is what is living in the UK today. We as farmers we have a job | :27:11. | :27:18. | |
to feed the ever-increasing population in the world. A lot of | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
these academics, they are very intelligent, but they haven't got | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
much common sense. They are out-of- touch, that is coming from a | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
practical farmer who has lived in the hills. I do believe if they | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
tried to live in Wales and couldn't hack it, but we stick it and | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
produce our food. The irony is that this place, the | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
landscape that George Monbiot describes as a barren desert is | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
actually a nature reserve. It is funded with public money and | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
regarded by many as one of Wales's rural jewels. | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
Wild Wilding is effectively standing back and letting something | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
go. Estelle Bailey is responsible for managing this place, she is the | :28:01. | :28:11. | |
head of the Montgomerie Wildlife Trust. Steve McMahon says we are | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
now fetishising this as a wilderness, but the real wilderness | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
thousands of years ago would look completely different from this? | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
can't get back to what George is fantasising about. You seem to be | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
saying natural means human intervention to manage ecosystems. | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
George Monbiot is saying we can stand back and let the ecosystem do | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
it themselves? That is the very traditional view of wild and | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
rewilding. That isn't appropriate to the UK landscape. Why not? | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
Simply scale. Spaces like this play a hugely important function for | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
society. If we let this area here go completely back to tree cover, | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
for example, the bog would dry up, where would we be then? We would | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
not be able to store water. We would not be able to clear the | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
water. Soil would begin to erode, the carbon would be released into | :29:05. | :29:14. | |
the atmosphere. It is hugely judgmental. | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
Supporters of rewilding are not just talking about getting rid | :29:18. | :29:25. | |
sheep, they want to bring back species, including these. | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
Our ecosystems are very bottom heavy, they are missing most of the | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
top links in the great web of life. We are only beginning to discover | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
how important certain species are as ecosystem engineers, as changing | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
the world around them. Wolves are a very effective ecosystem engineer, | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
when we were reintroduced to the Yellowstone Natoinal Park, within a | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
few years the whole system had been changed. There were forests where | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
there weren't before, because they frightened the dear out of the | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
valleys. The buys son numbers began to rise -- bison began to rise | :30:06. | :30:13. | |
because of the trees. Bears rose because of the carcasses left by | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
the wolfs. Not everyone agrows releasing predators into the wild | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
is a good idea in Yellowstone or elsewhere. | :30:22. | :30:31. | |
A similar process is already under way here in Britain. The first | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
extinct mammals have been reintroduced in Wales. I'm hoping | :30:34. | :30:44. | |
:30:44. | :30:45. | ||
we will get a glimpse of some of them today. Not as frightening as | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
wolves, perhaps, but talk of the reintroduction of beefers has been | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
very controversial here in Wales d beefers, has been very | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
controversial here in Wales. There is no breeding here, these two are | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
female to as sage farmers' fears. They have to provide -- assuage | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
farmers' fears, they have to provide evidence of a positive | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
impact on the local environment. want to see a restitution of | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
endless processes you don't know where they are going. By the | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
introduction of exciting and dynamic and dangerous predators | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
like wolves. People won't want to have wolves in Wales or Scotland? | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
I'm not suggesting there is no danger at all. But the danger has | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
been wildly exaggerated. George Monbiot wants to prompt a national | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
debate about what it is we're actually trying to conserve. Should | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
it be a landscape man leaves alone, or one in which we play an active | :31:44. | :31:54. | |
:31:54. | :31:54. | ||
role. In short how wild should Britain's wilderness be. Eye guests | :31:54. | :32:00. | |
are with me. Some of what George has said has hit a nerve with sheep | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
farmers, what we have been trying to do and what we have been doing | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
very successfully is managing a very diverse landscape. If you look | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
at the UK as a whole we have an incredible diversity of landscapes | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
because of the sheep grazing and management practices that we have | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
been undertaking. I don't think that to eliminate farmers and sheep, | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
for example, from that landscape you will be creating anything that | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
helps with people's attachment to the countryside. At the moment we | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
have accessible landscapes, multifunctional landscapes because | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
of farming, because we are not only producing food but also active low | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
managing our habitats. That people can access. The white plague | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
probably wasn't your best way of winning over the sheep farmers | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
sitting next to you, do you take on board some of that? We have to feed | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
the population. The farmers do enjoy the land and want us to enjoy | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
the land too? I'm not dissing sheep farmers, I don't like sheep, the | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
farmer are fine. Sheep farmers without sheep would be fine? That | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
would be perfect! I completely understand the cultural and | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
traditional and linguistic advantages of having farmers in the | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
hills and all the rest of it. I'm really not talking about | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
eliminating all the farmers from the hills or anything. What I'm a | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
talking about is giving farmers a choice. At the moment the subsidy | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
system forces them to farm, or at least to clear the land if they are | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
going to get their payments. I'm saying take away the Raul so | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
farmers have a choice as to -- the rule so farmers have a choice as to | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
whether chasing sheep over the hills or lying on a beach. You are | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
saying smaller farms would get the subsidies and bigger ones won't. As | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
a small farm could you get the subsidy or allow the land to return | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
to the way it was at several thousand years ago? If you cap the | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
subsidy, all you will do is get the farmers who will take that initial | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
subs dough but the rest of the land will have to increase production | :34:03. | :34:10. | |
from it to continue our businesses for the future. I'm entering the | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
business and don't want to be bothered with acreage because I | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
have my eyes open to business opportunities when they are there. | :34:17. | :34:23. | |
You won't be limited to acreage, but no supsidies beyond 100 | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
hectares, it seems wrong to be paying the biggest landowners, some | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
of the itch richest people in Britain out of the pocket -- | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
richest people in Britain out of the pocket of the poorest people in | :34:34. | :34:41. | |
Britain. This is a very fine stuffed fellow here, he may be | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
particularly nice in some kinds of habitats, I can't imagine him on | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
your farm in Kent. What is wrong with the landscape now and the mix | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
now. People love the British countryside? Some people do, I | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
don't. I find it amazing our National Parks, you go to other | :34:57. | :35:04. | |
parks in the world, parks are rich in life. They have carnivores and | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
herbvors, and the ecological structures. You wouldn't want to | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
walk with wolves in the countryside? In the Scottish | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
Highlands they do very well. There is massive surplus population of | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
dear. If you think about the population of the country and their | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
attachment to the environment. It comes through farming, families can | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
go out into the countryside and see sheep on the hills and farmers | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
managing the countryside. They see wildlife as part of that. | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
problem is sheep on the hills is all you see. All the uplands of | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
Britain are the same. That is not true at all. They have been reduced | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
to bowling greens. You couldn't bowl a ball down through the | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
vegetation of the moorlands. Its like we saw in the film, the | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
vegetation is less than knee height, that is the most you will get. The | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
great majority of our uplands, you spend two hours in a bushy suburban | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
garden, you will see more birds of a variety of species than five | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
miles down the road in the park. You are suffering from ecological | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
boredom you said, you need to come out and see what is happening in | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
the countryside really R I can talk outside my door at the moment, blur | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
flies are just coming in, the blue butterflies are flying off at my | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
feet when I go out on my farm. Such a diverse mix. | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
Is part of the core of this that you would have to have no people. | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
It is not the sheep it is the people. If there were half the | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
population or twice the land some of this might be manageable? A wolf | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
turned up in the Netherlands in 2011, they were welcomed. That is a | :36:42. | :36:49. | |
more crowded country than we are. It doesn't have the large expanse | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
of land. You talk about this being a densely populated country, it is, | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
but there are huge expanses where there are not people just sheep. | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
you see practical value in this, beavers and other animals could be | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
reintroduced and we will see whrat Welsh experiment will show? | :37:08. | :37:15. | |
implications of this on a practical scale. The danger is isolating an | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
urban population to become more urban and not have that attachment. | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
It is just the opposite. It is bringing people back into the | :37:23. | :37:28. | |
countryside by making it so much more thrilling and exciting. | :37:28. | :37:37. | |
Carey. School trips at the moment have access. These are so wild low | :37:37. | :37:45. | |
exaggerated. Is there a better way for teachers | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
to teach our children. The founder of the Khan Academy, which gets | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
more than six million stew departments in the United States, | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
to learn the principles of subjects like mathematics by watching lesson | :37:58. | :38:06. | |
on-line. Leaving teachers free to offer one-to-one help and guidance. | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
He's getting the attention of the Education Secretary. First we | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
explain how the academy works. The basic look at the classroom | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
hasn't changed too much over time. We still do education in a very | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
traditional way. They have lessons where he they sit | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
in rows and they have exams at the end of the year and at the end of | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
each stage. And then they leave. It is a pretty industrial process, | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
designed for a 19th century-style economy. The traditional model for | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
education works like this. You have a classroom with pupils and a | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
teacherer, who imparts information. The pupils then take that | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
information home and put it to the test, with attempting exercises as | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
homework. What if we have it around the wrong way. What if we could use | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
the power of technology to liberate the pupils and the teacher from | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
this one-size-fits-all approach. That is the idea behind the Khan | :39:03. | :39:11. | |
Academy, set up by a former hedge fund manager turned educational | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
entrepeneur. Michael Gove thinks Mr Khan is a visionary and truly great | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
man. He also has the support and now money of Bill Gates behind him, | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
who discovered his videos whilst trying to help his own children. | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
There is a website that I have just been using with my kids recently | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
called Kahan Academy, one guy doing unbelievable 15-minute tutorals. | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
The way it works is this, the pupil would watch video lessons at home f | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
they don't understand they can rewind and have another look | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
(repeats) without holding the rest of the class back. Those who get it | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
first time can crack on at their own pace. Then at school the pupils | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
will do what they used to do as homework. This time with the | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
support of the teacher or another class made to help them. The Khan | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
academy says it is already working in 20,000 classrooms across the | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
world. These teachers have used technology to humanise the | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
classroom. They took a fundamental low dehumanising experience, a | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
bunch of 30 kids with their fingers on their lips and not allowed to | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
interact with them. The teacher giving a one-size-fits-all out | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
there to faces slightly antagonistic, now we are | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
interacting with each other. We are just seeing in education the | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
biggest revolution since the printing press. There is no doubt | :40:44. | :40:53. | |
digital learning by the Khan Academy and other providers will | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
transform education in the next 10- 20 years in schools as is already | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
happening in higher education. is what one of those videos looks | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
like, don't worry there is no test later. If you know the number of | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
protons in the element, you know what that element is. This system | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
isn't about replacing lessons with videos, it is about making shower | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
each pupil understands each topic before they move on to the next. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
Under the traditional model the class has to keep moving, they had | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
to make progress. Meaning some children get left behind with huge | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
gaps in their understanding. learning to guy your bicycle, I | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
give you a lecture ray head of and give you the bycicle. I come back | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
after two weeks and say you are having trouble taking left turn and | :41:43. | :41:51. | |
you can't quite stop. You are an 80% cyclist. I put a C stamp on | :41:51. | :41:59. | |
your forehead and I say here is a unicycle. As ridiculous as that | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
sounds that is what happens happening in classroom. Big data, | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
the pupil, teacher and the parent can get highly granular data about | :42:11. | :42:20. | |
what's happening in the classroom or what is coming next. No longer | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
with be a bar to education, and it goes for kids around the world. | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
We're joined now by the founder of the company. How did teachers react | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
to this. Do they feel threatened that you are trying to do them out | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
of a job? It depends how they perceive us, if you read a | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
newspaper report and people read about this on-line virtual | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
education stuff. This is a kneejerk reaction, will this be Amazon.com | :42:50. | :42:58. | |
trying to replace Barnes and Noble. We are strong about it and as the | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
report highlighted, we are in no way about replacing a physical | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
expowerence, we are about trying to make it more powerful. The teachers | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
who work with us and ups that, and we have been working with enits of | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
thousands of classroom, close with many out here in the states and in | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
the world. They feel more energised and what they got into the | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
profession for. They feel they have finally time to break out of that | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
factory model and this on day one and two. And adapt their strengths | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
to the strengths of the students. wondered whether you would concede | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
one of the biggest problems in education is children becoming | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
demotivate. They think maths is hard, I can't do it, and then they | :43:43. | :43:52. | |
go, C, DaE and down rather than up. How could this help them? You have | :43:52. | :44:02. | |
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hit the nail on had he. In all ga bra class you get -- algebra class | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
you get that and people saying when do I have to put this down. And you | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
don't see that in other classes because the students are | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
fundamentally engaged. In math class they are feeling their self- | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
esteem is being constantly bombarded. The reason they feel | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
that way is they get through arithmetic, only understanding 80- | :44:23. | :44:30. | |
90% of it. They are pushed into pre-algerbra is harder because they | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
don't understand arithmetic, then they are pushed ray head and by the | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
time they get to calculus they are not understanding anything at all. | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
If you allow people of all levels to fill in the gaps and master | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
concepted, before there is no chance to do it. In an algebra | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
class you are afraid because you can't multiply decimals. Now you | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
have your friends and the teacher there to help you. The teacher has | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
tools to identify the gap. Whether you talk about affluent | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
neighbourhoods, charter schools and independent schools, if you allowed | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
those who fill in the gaps they can be accelerated. The rich/poor, also | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
we have problems with sometimes malnourished kids who go to school | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
hungry, or ones with troubled backgrounds. Does this not appeal | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
more to those families who can afford them to have a lap stop toe | :45:26. | :45:32. | |
look at this stuff? I think that is a major -- a lap stop to look at | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
this stuff? I think that is a problem we are dependant on | :45:36. | :45:43. | |
accessability. You have 75% here in access to the Internet. We hope the | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
costs will get cheaper every day, we are right now, because it tend | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
to be educated families who have access and know about us. We are | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
being disproportion nationally used if, you can't give afterschool | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
programmes in the inner city, it is powerful for them if not more so | :46:03. | :46:13. | |
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than for Bill Gat, he's children. That's all tonight, we loaf you | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
with unique visualisation of flight paths around the globe created by a | :46:43. | :46:53. | |
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transport planner from the Good evening the weather is mixed | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
over the next couple of days. We are keeping sunshine to the North | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
West, parts of northern Ireland, western Scotland, cooler and | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
cloudier along the east coast of Scotland with outbreaks of rain. | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
Not affecting Northern Ireland, top temperatures 17-18. We could get a | :47:51. | :47:57. | |
few degrees higher than that across western Scotland. Across the east | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
coast cloudy, rain through Aberdeen, down towards Edinburgh, rain | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
sitting across northern England and the risk of heavier downpours at | :48:06. | :48:13. | |
the time. A little on the grey side for the south coast of Kent and | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
Sussex. In Hampshire and Dorset they will start to break the cloud | :48:16. | :48:23. | |
up. The rest of whales after a bright start will see the cloud | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
increasing we might see the odd spot of rain to finish off the day. | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
For Wednesday the North West will have the best of the sunshine. The | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
east coast just 13 degrees. By the time we get to Thursday we are | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
looking at some brighter skies across England and Wales, always | :48:39. | :48:44. |