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Could a business degree boost your job prospects? Look no further and

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don't worry about studying. JTSDZ we are starting with high-level

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macro-economics. It cost our friend Pete of Battersea Dogs Home just ?50

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to enrol with an MBA with a virtual guarantee for an MBA at the end of

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it. A former Prime Minister wades into

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the energy row and calls for a windfall tax. I think it would be

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entirely reasonable for the Chancellor then to recoup that money

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back from the energy company in a one-off impost. The Prime Minister

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definitely doesn't like it. Why would Facebook want to be used to

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show pictures of people being beheaded?

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And in Kabul, we're on the touch-line reporting a good news

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story. In a country still suffering from

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the chaos and injustice of war they are celebrating a game where you

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play by the rules. Where the referee's word is final. As anyone

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who has slogged their way to get there and then slogged their way

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through years of study there, a university degree can be a hard won

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thing, and expensive nowadays too. But supposing that you could pay

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some money and get a degree without having to do any work at all. A

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Newsnight investigation has found one on-line university, offering a

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high-level degree, in exchange for nothing other than thousands of

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pounds. Crickets say that unless something is done to crack down, the

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good name of British education could be dragged through the mud.

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Lectures and libraries, books and examples, taily life for most

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students. Higher education is meant to be something you can trust,

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standard recognised around the world. Too often though things may

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not be quite what they seem. There is place where it's possible to get

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hold of top degrees and diplomas, no checks, regulations or standards.

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Away from the real world on the Internet, it can seem that more or

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less anything goes. Dodgy degrees are nothing new. Black markets in

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fake bits of parchment go back to 14th century Europe. But the

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Internet has transformed the business of dubious qualifications

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into a billion dollar industry. It is now thought 200,000 degrees are

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dished out each year by unrecognised virtual universities, based entirely

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on-line. Carolyn Campbell runs the international section of the quality

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assurance agency which checks standards in British universities.

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Nowadays we see that these diploma and Boeing news providers are able

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to adopt the apparatus of regular universities. They can see what goes

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on in these institutions and they replicate it. They are very

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difficult to track. They are very difficult to find, actually, because

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they are operating on the Internet. So, armed with just a laptop, we

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started to look into this lucrative business. To hand out a British

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degree you have to be recognised by parliament. But there is a loophole,

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it is perfectly legal to give the impression a university is run here

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but in reality incorporate it on an obscure island with no regulation.

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It is thought there are now around 350 unaccredited universities, just

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like that, linked to the UK. Triple the number of officially recognised

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institutions. Take the American University of London, founded by

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this man, Professor Michael It describes itself as one of the

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leading distance universities in the world, with more than 100 thousand

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students since it was founded. This is an investigative journalist

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specialising in internet verge, we worked with him to take a closer

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look at the university. It might be called the American University of

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London, you can see it is incorporated in St Kitts and Nevis,

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an island where a lot of these institutions are based. That is a

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few thousand miles away from where it is suggested it is based here in

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London. Here is the location of the Post Office box, there is nothing

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there, they don't seem to have a physical location in London at all.

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What about the people actually running the university, what do we

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know about them? On the website there is a video of them both. There

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is Professor Michael Nimier, and Sonya Grime, a registrar. From

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public records we know they are living in beckons field in the UK.

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The phone number that the university lists is a by-election cons field --

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Beconsfield area and the tuition fees go in to bank in the local

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area. While it is based in St Kitts, it appears the company is operated

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out of the UK. On its web side the American University of London says

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it does not award British qualifications, it has claimed to be

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recognised by three different American institutions. All these

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themselves are unofficial and unrecognised. It used to say it was

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accredited in Norway, but the people there said that never happened. It

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is though listed as bogus by the agency that values degrees for the

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Italian Government. It has been blacklisted in five US states,

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including Texas, where it is illegal to use any of its qualifications to

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get a job. Looking on-line the university does boast an impressive

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faculty list, with some well-qualified superviser, but when

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we contacted five western academics on that list, all said that he had

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never worked there and never agreed for their names to be used. The

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American academic George Golin has spent much of his year researching

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the murky world of unaccredited education. If you look closely they

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American University of London, it doesn't hold up and doesn't have

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legal authority for degrees, they are not degrees just pieces of

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paper. They are charging a lot for a product that does not stand up to

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scrutiny. I am GAESing they are not able to -- I'm guessing they are not

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able to sell many degrees into countries where English is the first

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language. The university says most graduates study at independent

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colleges overseas. Those affiliated are independent with their own

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staff, subject to their own local laws. The American University of

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London, simply takes a fee to set the curriculum, and issues

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graduation certificates in its own name. Given the web of colleges

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involved, it is hard to know how much work these students have done

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and what the quality of teaching is like. We wanted to see how easy it

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might be to get a degree direct from the university itself. What we are

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looking at here is the holey GRAL of macro-economics by Richard Coup. We

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found one crack student and got to work training him up. Notice in

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chapter seven there is a whole section here about Japanese interest

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rates from 1990 right the way through to 2007. If you could pay

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attention for a second. Meet Pete from Battersea, we drew up a

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one-page CV for Pete in the name of an invented 36-year-old management

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consultant. With 15 years work experience and a 2. . . : 1 degree.

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Standard background for the masters in business he was applying for. In

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just four days the decision came Just two weeks, he wouldn't be

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expected to submit any more work? We applied for a masters degree,

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based only on life skills and work experience. It was awarded straight

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away. We were told no studying or extra work was needed whatsoever. So

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long as we paid the ?4,500 fee. I wouldn't want you to think that I'm

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cynical but this CV in itself is weak. And so at the moment just

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having a first glance of this warning bells are going off in my

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ear. We showed our written application to Jan Banford at London

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Metropolitan University that runs accredited courses. I don't know how

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true this is, I can't believe you get an offer. Would this be enough

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for a legitimate university to award an MBA? It is nonsense. Absolutely,

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I find it incredible any organisation awarding an MBA on what

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essentially amounts to an application form there, but the

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evidence is one piece of paper. None of this would matter, of course, if

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the American University of London had no students. But on professional

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networking sites there are hundreds of senior executives, all graduates

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of the university. We found the chief executive of a multinational

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drugs company and an expert in terrorist rehabilitation to who

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served in Iraq. Others with senior qualifications include a

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psychologist from Birmingham who gives expert testimony in court

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cases. Dr Robert Oakes was awarded his PhD, five months after first

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submitting workment he told us he had spent 18 months on his own

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background research. He was already a registered forensic psychologist,

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based on a previous degree. He said he believed the American University

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of London was properly accredited, but has now taken the accreditation

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off his CV. We found a senior executive in the nuclear power

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industry. Dr Rita Bowser was in charge of selling nuclear reactors

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in the UK. He was awarded her DBA after what she describes significant

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amounts of course work. Her employer says she's well qualified for her

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job, with 30 years experience and two previous degrees, including a

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masters from Georgia Tech, a respected university. All of those

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individuals have told us they did submit work to get their degree. But

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the point is, because the American University of London is not checked

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or accredited by any recognised body we can't know what the standard was

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like or how much work they did. What we do know is that as in our case

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the bar can be as low ascending off one fictitious made-up CV and

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getting a degree back two weeks later. Why is it these private

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institutions don't have the same checks and balances that

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universities have? I think it is a huge concern.

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It undermines the very essence of the education process that people

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can gain a diploma, or offer one without any of the processes that

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are required by universities. All right Already there is pressure

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on our university system, this week the Government said places will have

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to rise by a quarter to meet demand. On-line learning is meant to fill

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some of that gap. But with few standards and little regulation, we

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might have some way to go until we can really trust education on the

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Worldwide Web. In statement the American University of London

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The man who you saw in that piece and worked on the investigation is

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here now. How widespread is this problem? There is thousands of

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people at that university alone, CEOs, very senior executives, and

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thousands of others at the other 300 institutions in the UK. It is a

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multibillion dollar problem, it doesn't seem to be going away. It

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has been brought to the governments attention, what are they doing about

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it? The Department of Business, innovation and skills were told

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about it. They said Companies House needs to investigate. They said it

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is not their problem. They are not based here, they are based overseas,

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OK Trading Standards were looking into it. Trading Standards said the

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same thing, it is based in St Kitts and Nevis it is not our problem. We

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sent a whole dossier of material and said they are based, the people are

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based in the UK, there should be something that can be done about it.

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Most importantly, the very well qualified dog what has become of

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him? I'm hearing the dog is still at Battersea, but very well qualified

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for the position's about to fill. I imagine we will be besieged, or

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Battersea will be besieged by anxious would-be owners of a very

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well-qualified pet. Thank you very much. Coming up:

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Newsnight thought that you would be suffering from withdrawal symptoms

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from the Great British Bake Off, for your enjoyment, the Newsnight Orange

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SKA Lemon Cake, the most important ingredient, a little glass of wine.

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The row over energy prices drew in another senior politician today, the

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former Prime Minister, John Major, a man who doesn't normally say much

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about anything wondered about bringing in a windfall tax on the

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energy companies which have hiked their prices. David Cameron's glove

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puppet called it an interesting contribution, which is another way

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of saying, thanks for nothing! The Government has no plans for a

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windfall tax and meanwhile knows how popular is Ed Miliband's campaign

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that he will freeze energy prices should he get elected. A man who had

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power and one who wants it, together at Margaret Thatcher's funeral. And

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again today Sir John Major appeared close to Ed Miliband on energy

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prices. There are a number of ideas I think the suggestion made by Mr

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Miliband shows his head is in the right place. I don't think it is a

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workable proposition. I do think without some action if we have a

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hard winter, which is quite likely, there are many people this winter

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who will have to choose between keeping warm and eating. I don't

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think that is acceptable. I think there is a very real chance this

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winter that the Government will be forced by events to provide more

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assistance to people facing real difficulties. If that proves to be

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the case, then I think it would be entirely reasonable for the

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Chancellor then to recoup that money back from the energy companies in a

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one-off impost, given the SKAFL their profits and the unjustified

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nature of the very high increases they have imposed. For Sir John to

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clamber back on his soapbox things must be bad, in 1997, then Prime

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Minister, he opposed Labour's plan for a windfall tax on privatised

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utilities. Labour's windfall tax would drain the profits of

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privatised companies in order to pay for their own spending plans. Those

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Sir John -- though Sir John quibbles with Ed Miliband's method, the

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backbenchers want action too? I welcome the idea of a windfall tax,

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I have been proposing that for some time, not just energy companies, but

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all utility companies, looking at water bills and other companies as

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well. The way it would work is the company would eithering fined by the

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regulators if they are under performing and charging excessive

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amounts to the public, which many of them are for the moment. The

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regulator or the Government would take it and give it back to the

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consumer in the form of lower prices. Thatcher taxed oil in the

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1980s and George Osborne imposed emergency levels on the banks --

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levies on the banks. Windfalls are not Anwar nat MA to the Tories.

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Is Sir John kite flying for the Government, on this occasion as he

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has done on so many previous ones. It is quite difficult to call, but

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it appears probably not. The reason is this, this week was supposed to

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be the week when the Government changed the story from Ed Miliband's

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energy price freeze to George Osborne's thaw in the British

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economy. With Sir John's intervention it becomes a bit more

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difficult for the Conservatives. Today many at the top of the Tory

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Party might be hoping that the grey man of British politics had been a

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little bit more DPRA. Today Downing Street's reaction was cool. Sir

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John's intervention was "interesting "they said, except this are no plans

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for it. As Lib Demes fought Tory plans to cut green taxes from energy

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bills, the Conservatives want more to say on this hot subject. -- the

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Lib Demes want more to say on the hot DUBT. We have our guests with

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us, Brooks Newmar, if you did this you might become popular again? Is

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that a question? Yes it is, a suggestion, a helpful suggestion,

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follow John Prescott's advice? I'm sure as David Cameron has had his

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interesting idea, I suspect it will be kicked into touch. The reason for

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is if you target companies through taxation that price rise will be

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passed on to the consumer. A much better way of approaching this

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problem is through the regulator. The big flaw in that argument is

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that John Major is man who knows how to win elections and David Cameron

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has never won a general election has he? Well we made huge strides in

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2010, but I think on the subject which you were discussing here,

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which is whether to have a tax or have a more robust policy with the

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regulator to control prices that way, that's a much better approach,

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I think. So you are ruling out although it is advice for from man

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with a proven record? I'm just disagreeing with John Major who is

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now an ordinary citizen, he's no longer Prime Minister. Yes, but he

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could win elections? I'm giving you my view. Flintoff do you support --

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Caroline Flint do you support the windfall tax? I don't, because I

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think the freeze is better and is good for everyone who is a bill

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payer. You would oppose the Government taking the advice? We

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support a freeze ander urging David Cameron to do that. That is after

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the next election? But the reason is because a freeze is simple to

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implement but benefits every bill pay e and behind what we need to

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address what John Major said today about excessive profits and

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unacceptable IP creases is the fact we haven't got -- increases and the

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fact we haven't a strong regulator and Labour is answering those

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questions as well which the Government isn't. Tony Blair wasn't

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afraid of a windfall tax was he? If you remember the windfall tax on the

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utilities there, we felt strongly and believed, and were right to do

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so that it was undervalued when it was sold into private hands.

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Therefore we were recouping a sale that went ahead that was undervalued

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and bringing some money back to the taxpayer to pay for young unemployed

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people. Today it is different, we are tackling the problem of

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overcharging and the customer paying the price. The similarity, of

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course, is he too was a man who knew how to win elections. Yes, he was.

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He was very good at it. But the truth is as well is that we need a

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different prescription for the problem we have today. That problem

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is about a market that is not competitive enough and a regulator

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that hasn't got any teeth. If the Government does take up John Major's

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advice, just to be clear about this, and brings in a windfall tax, you

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will vote against it? We will be pursuing our policy of a freeze. We

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are urging the Government to do that. That is not an answer. At the

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moment what we have heard today is that the Government think it is

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"interesting "what Sir John Major said and they will not sign up to

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it. The truth is they have no policies to address the fact that we

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haven't got enough competition and the regulator doesn't work. We are

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sticking with our package, it is clear, simple and about addressing

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fundamental problems of why this market is not working as well as it

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should. If they were to decide on the windfall tax, you might vote for

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it, clearly. Let's see what they come up with, they are all over the

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shop because they cannot make up their minds, they know they have a

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problem. And John Major has added fuel on the flames today about the

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problems they are facial. We have a clear plan. -- facing. We have a

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clear plan. Why doesn't the Government accept that to tackle

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regulation and competition our proposals around separating

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generation and retail, having a pool and new regulator are the answer.

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Can I answer her on that? I think I know what she is going to

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say. They are even asking you for answers because they haven't any

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answers to the problem. She is getting very interesting there. Why

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is it your party seems uniquely to be the only one that doesn't

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recognise there is something gone seriously wrong with the way this

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alleged market works? There are two answers to, that the Government has

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approached it and the Prime Minister has made it very clear that we will

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simplify the number of tiers there are to ensure. Tiers, what tiers? To

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ensure the consumer better understands the price points people

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can purchase their energy. Number one, there is a simplification

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process? Of tarrifs. Of tarrifs, which ensures that people can try

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and get the lowest price available. The second thing is, unlike king can

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NUT -- King Canute, which Ed Miliband thinks he is, we can't take

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on market forces and prices. We can't go back to the 1970s with

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price controls. What we can do is agree on one thing which is that the

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regulate to. So no change. So the regulator needs more teeth, you and

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I will agree on that, nothing else. Nobody agrees -- everyone agrees

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with simplifying the tarrifs, it is not enough. We have four years of

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data from Ofgem. You #130R the Government -- you support the

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Government's plan to simplify tarrifs? Of course, but it is not UN

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wholesale prices have dropped, that hasn't been passeden to the

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consumer, and the chief executive of Ovo, a small supplier, said over

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this week since 2011 wholesale prices haven't increased, what is

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going on. All you is surmise out of this, that somewhere within the

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self-supply that these companies operate, and they generate and sell

:24:47.:24:50.

to themselves, they are overhyping the wholesale cost and we are paying

:24:51.:24:53.

the price and your Prime Minister isn't dealing with that. The best

:24:54.:24:56.

way to deal with it is through the regulator, not increasing tax,

:24:57.:25:02.

because they are passed on to the Consumer with higher prices. Even

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the presence of no fewer than 11 foreign ministers all wanting much

:25:08.:25:10.

the same thing couldn't produce a clear result when the Syrian Civil

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War was discussed in London today. William Hague made the unsurprising

:25:16.:25:18.

observation that finding way of ending a war which has already gone

:25:19.:25:28.

on for over two years will be "formidably D ifficult". We have

:25:29.:25:34.

this report and it contains flash YOEFy. -- photography.

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The friend of Syria convened in London, neighbours and opposition

:25:43.:25:45.

supporters such as the UK, US and France. Now that there is date in

:25:46.:25:49.

the diary for a peace conference in Geneva, it is time to focus minds.

:25:50.:25:55.

But even the host didn't sound too optimistic. I don't want to minimise

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in any way the difficulties and the enormous challenges in making a

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success of Geneva II as it has become known. Never the less we

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believe it is very important to begin that process. It is a process

:26:11.:26:15.

rather than an event. It isn't a meeting that takes place for one or

:26:16.:26:19.

two days and everybody has reached agreement. It is a, it is the

:26:20.:26:24.

beginning of a process. That is very important to try. And how to get

:26:25.:26:32.

meaningful dialogue? Saudi Arabia mocks the process and backs a rebel

:26:33.:26:37.

umbrella group that won't even be at Geneva. Russia, for its part, will

:26:38.:26:42.

talk about transition in Syria but doesn't accept that President Assad

:26:43.:26:47.

has to accept down. He has just hinted that he might run for

:26:48.:26:52.

President next year. The Syrian opposition coalition, the

:26:53.:26:56.

westerners' main hope in this, who haven't confirmed they will be at

:26:57.:26:59.

the Geneva table were asked today how they could possibly attend under

:27:00.:27:11.

these circumstances? TRANSLATION: They are going to Geneva II with the

:27:12.:27:16.

understanding of Geneva I, which states specifically that Al-Assad

:27:17.:27:19.

will not be part of the solution, that Al-Assad will leave and

:27:20.:27:27.

Al-Assad will not be there. His opposition group will decide the

:27:28.:27:30.

week after next whether to go to Geneva. There the moderates, many of

:27:31.:27:36.

the most effective militant brigades won't go near the table, which begs

:27:37.:27:42.

the question, why should the Assad Government go to Geneva if the

:27:43.:27:47.

participants can't even deliver a deal. Mark has put on his best suit

:27:48.:27:51.

and joined us now. If the prospect is so bad, why are they even

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thinking about it? Well, it is a very legitimate question, they would

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say that they think it can work, the conference can be convened, but they

:28:03.:28:05.

have been trying to get this together throughout the summer, the

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idea was first mooted several months ago, the deadline slipped from May

:28:11.:28:15.

to June, they seem to think that by fixing date in the diary they might

:28:16.:28:19.

force people to come to their senses and come to it. My honest view is I

:28:20.:28:24.

think it is simply because the diplomats in the UK, in France, in

:28:25.:28:28.

the US feel there has to be some hope. That if they admit this is

:28:29.:28:33.

impossible it will simply become a self-fulfilling prophesy and they

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should try to do it. Some fascinating remarks tonight though

:28:38.:28:41.

about whether or not President Assad can survive. Now, of course, both

:28:42.:28:46.

John Kerry in London today and William Hague were saying this

:28:47.:28:50.

process we are asking people to sign up to involves a transition from the

:28:51.:28:54.

Assad Government to a successor democratic Government. Bob Gate, the

:28:55.:28:59.

former US Defence Secretary, we are hearing tonight an academic meeting

:29:00.:29:03.

said by agreeing to the chemical weapons deal with Assad, the US and

:29:04.:29:07.

others may be prolonging his survival. If he isn't there to

:29:08.:29:10.

deliver the deal then how on earth is this going to work? That may be

:29:11.:29:17.

one reason why Mr Assad is feeling more emboldened, and just been the

:29:18.:29:21.

past 24 hours suggested he may run for President again next summer.

:29:22.:29:55.

It doesn't the billionares in California, one jot, we report

:29:56.:30:03.

Today's news-based quiz question, please say which of the following

:30:04.:30:07.

you find most offensive, someone rolling a joint, someone's naked

:30:08.:30:13.

breasts not engaged in the act of breast-feeding, someone taking the

:30:14.:30:18.

air as nature intended, or a video of someone being decapitated. For

:30:19.:30:25.

many the answer is so obvious to render the question absurd. Which is

:30:26.:30:29.

why the decision of Facebook to allow again the posting of videos

:30:30.:30:38.

depicting beheadings is bizarre says the Prime Minister. He said today:

:30:39.:30:45.

The Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire says Facebook needs a

:30:46.:30:49.

re-think. I think many parents across the country will be deeply

:30:50.:30:54.

disturbed and shocked by this sudden decision of Facebook to allow these

:30:55.:31:00.

grossly offensive videos back on to their website. They clearly

:31:01.:31:03.

recognised there was a serious problem when they decided that this

:31:04.:31:07.

material needed to be taken down earlier this year. It is strange

:31:08.:31:11.

that they have now sought to put this back on without any clarity as

:31:12.:31:17.

to the protections afforded to children and giving parents that

:31:18.:31:20.

assurance that these issues will be dealt with properly. The Prime

:31:21.:31:24.

Minister copped a bit of ridicule for his TWEET about Facebook posting

:31:25.:31:29.

videos when of course Facebook is platform, it is the users who post

:31:30.:31:33.

videos. But even so, the question is why allow such appalling content

:31:34.:31:39.

back on to the site? In a statement the company said: back

:31:40.:32:02.

The company is determined to preserve Facebook's capacity to

:32:03.:32:09.

harness international outrage, to be a medium for social change. To

:32:10.:32:13.

spread news of human rights violations right around the world.

:32:14.:32:21.

As an example of this social action, here is the 2012 campaign to

:32:22.:32:26.

publicise the war crimes of the Ugandan guerrilla leader, Joesph

:32:27.:32:34.

Kony. Anticensorship campaigners say context is everything. It is a huge

:32:35.:32:39.

platform Facebook, and it is used for a lot of different purposes,

:32:40.:32:45.

from sharing pictures of family to as Facebook say discussing news

:32:46.:32:50.

events and politics. I think they want platform as open as possible

:32:51.:32:53.

and allows people to use it in a variety of ways. These videos are no

:32:54.:33:01.

doubt HOR rend -- horrendous, but if people want to talk about the

:33:02.:33:04.

brutality of war and terror, they should be allowed to view these

:33:05.:33:08.

things. This afternoon as a result of the pressure they have been

:33:09.:33:12.

under, Facebook began posting warnings alongside the videos.

:33:13.:33:17.

Children are inquisitive, the likelihood is they will open the

:33:18.:33:20.

sites and have a look. What I would like to see really is more

:33:21.:33:24.

discussion with Facebook, which we are having about whether it is

:33:25.:33:27.

feasible to perhaps have different settings for different ages on

:33:28.:33:30.

Facebook. That is something I'm sure they will be looking at. However, I

:33:31.:33:34.

think we do need to be ware of course all this information say

:33:35.:33:39.

veilable elsewhere on the inter-- is available elsewhere on the Internet.

:33:40.:33:44.

It is not just a Facebook issue. They do have a responsibility to

:33:45.:33:47.

young users and we need to be mindful that significant harm could

:33:48.:33:51.

come to them if they see this content. With over a billion user,

:33:52.:33:58.

Facebook could never please everyone, what is offensive? What

:33:59.:34:02.

should be allowed? Indeed how much responsibility the company has

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itself on what its users choose to post, these are all questions they

:34:08.:34:11.

and we are still grappling with. With us now is the cofounder of the

:34:12.:34:17.

website Lively, where you can see a very large number of videos of that

:34:18.:34:23.

kind if you wish to. Also with us is Colin Freeman the Sunday Telegraph's

:34:24.:34:30.

chief correspondent who spent five weeks being held hostage in Somalia

:34:31.:34:38.

in 2008. Are there any kinds of violence you won't allow on your

:34:39.:34:43.

site? We don't allow multiples, there is not that a lot of that type

:34:44.:34:47.

of media on the site. There are some but there are certain things we

:34:48.:34:53.

can't and can't show. Why do you allow them? It falls within a

:34:54.:34:57.

certain sense of freedom. There is always extreme with any kind of

:34:58.:35:01.

freedom. Some adults wish to see it, for whatever reason. It is also

:35:02.:35:07.

always purrant as people claim, it is a general human condition we look

:35:08.:35:12.

at the extreme, the horrific, some people choose to, if they wish to

:35:13.:35:17.

they can view them, if they don't then... What is your perspective

:35:18.:35:22.

after your experience? I luckily I didn't end up in a beheading video,

:35:23.:35:26.

the people who took me weren't that kind of people. Many people have

:35:27.:35:31.

done. Their relatives, unlike them are still alive, and the prospect of

:35:32.:35:37.

these videos being PUNTed around, you know, is not pleasant for them

:35:38.:35:43.

to say the least. I spoke to someone earlier this evening before I came

:35:44.:35:48.

on, one of whose relatives died in a video leaked on to the Internet. Say

:35:49.:35:53.

leaked but put on deliberately, he says it is horrific the idea these

:35:54.:35:58.

things are around. He has to worry about his young kids and other young

:35:59.:36:02.

relatives in his extended family finding these things on the

:36:03.:36:06.

Internet. What do you think when you hear that sort of testimony? Of

:36:07.:36:10.

course it is absolutely horrific, for any family, who could deny that,

:36:11.:36:16.

it would be ridiculous to. We see things on the news every day where

:36:17.:36:20.

people die in a less immediate and graphic manager, we are shown the

:36:21.:36:24.

planes smashing into the buildings all the time, families hurt all the

:36:25.:36:28.

time by that. You don't see beheadings on the television, it is

:36:29.:36:33.

regulated? There is a limit, death as long as it is less personal and

:36:34.:36:38.

graphic. That is understandable. I'm an advocate for responsible titling

:36:39.:36:42.

and information, trying to ensure people know what they are going to

:36:43.:36:45.

see. When it comes to when you say children viewing it and things of

:36:46.:36:49.

that nature, there needs to be some education for the parents there as

:36:50.:36:52.

well. Facebook is a medium that is in virtually every home now, isn't

:36:53.:37:04.

it. Ubiquitous as television? I don't promote graphic media on

:37:05.:37:13.

Facebook that is for such a range of people. What is your reading of the

:37:14.:37:18.

Facebook position? I would agree in a sense it is not the appropriate

:37:19.:37:23.

forum, it normalises this kind of thing, to some extent. And it says

:37:24.:37:32.

this is normal to see this kind of thing. More generally, if you have

:37:33.:37:36.

the sort of stuff out there, there is, you know, the impact that it has

:37:37.:37:41.

on someone who has lost a loved one, they are trying to make a

:37:42.:37:44.

psychological recovery from a horrific ordeal and this stuff is

:37:45.:37:49.

out there potentially reminding them all the time of what happened. You

:37:50.:37:55.

know, particular effect from -- Kat that

:37:56.:38:28.

particular effect from -- cathartic effect of seeing that happen? One of

:38:29.:38:34.

the things from the Arab springs was a video shot of a man beaten to

:38:35.:38:39.

death in custody, his face was shaped into a kind of garage GOIL

:38:40.:38:45.

death mask, his family shot the video and put it on-line. The

:38:46.:38:50.

context is everything to some exTEPT. When you are putting a --

:38:51.:38:55.

extent. When you are putting a hostage video the person who

:38:56.:38:58.

intended that video to go out is the terrorist, you are doing their

:38:59.:39:03.

bidding by deseminating it, that is what they want. It causes terror

:39:04.:39:06.

among the people who have seen it and terror amongst others. What do

:39:07.:39:10.

you make of that? The actual effect of those videos? Not that so much,

:39:11.:39:15.

the man who has been beheaded clearly has no desire to see the

:39:16.:39:22.

video posts anywhere? But the horrible irony, in no way humourous

:39:23.:39:29.

is the releasing of these videos, we only see these in truth when they

:39:30.:39:32.

are killing westerners. It was the lease of the videos and the reaction

:39:33.:39:36.

to them, which is why they stopped pretty much from that region in the

:39:37.:39:40.

world. It was totally counter-productive to them, it is

:39:41.:39:44.

not a good thing that people were beheaded, but it was a

:39:45.:39:47.

counter-productive act on their part. It worked against what they

:39:48.:39:50.

wanted to achieve. There is some truth in that but it didn't stop

:39:51.:39:56.

them happening. One or two Al-Qaeda groups may have said that didn't

:39:57.:39:59.

work, but it hasn't stopped that kind of thing going on. It is not

:40:00.:40:06.

anything like it was in 2005-2007. Now the sports news, there is a

:40:07.:40:10.

spring in the step of football fans in Afghanistan. The country has just

:40:11.:40:14.

won its first international trophy by beating India 2-0 in the South

:40:15.:40:20.

Asian Championship Cup Final. It is still ranked 139th in the world. But

:40:21.:40:34.

the final -- in the final all the country was praying for a win.

:40:35.:40:45.

Lis Ducet has been charmed by the Premier League there to join a

:40:46.:40:50.

country torn apart by war. Days like this are rare for a

:40:51.:40:54.

generation that has only known war, division and destruction.

:40:55.:41:02.

Sport is now building a new spirit. Making the people proud to be

:41:03.:41:15.

Afghans. The war hasn't gone away, and NATO helicopters land at a

:41:16.:41:20.

nearby base. But Afghan forces protect these grounds. Kabul in

:41:21.:41:28.

yellow take on the northern team in this brand new stadium. They are the

:41:29.:41:31.

best of eight clubs that cut across the ethnic lines, that still divide

:41:32.:41:40.

this society. Number four dreamed of being a footballer from the first

:41:41.:41:48.

day he set foot in Kabul's old Ghazi stadium, made infamous where the

:41:49.:41:53.

Taliban carried out harsh Islamic punishments. At home with his

:41:54.:42:00.

family, 26-year-old Mustaba remembers those years as the worst

:42:01.:42:07.

in his career. TRAN Before one match -- TRANSLATION: Before the match the

:42:08.:42:11.

Taliban brought in one person and shot him four times, another one's

:42:12.:42:16.

hands were amputated. After that no-one was interested in seeing

:42:17.:42:20.

football in the stadium. Now the nation is watching. From the

:42:21.:42:25.

President to 12-year-old Sammi, who says he wants to be a footballer

:42:26.:42:32.

just like his brother. Live coverage on TV brings football into Afghan

:42:33.:42:39.

homes, unthinkable years ago. The Premier League was even created

:42:40.:42:44.

through a reality TV show and on the popular network. In messages played

:42:45.:42:52.

at half time, footballers use their new fame to urge kids to stay off

:42:53.:42:58.

drugs, and stay in school. They are heros for a lot of Afghans around

:42:59.:43:02.

the country. If the players are going back to their villages, to the

:43:03.:43:07.

district and province, everybody knows them. They are, they can play

:43:08.:43:16.

goodwill ambassadors for a lot of issues. But at the same time they

:43:17.:43:22.

are role models for millions of kids and young Afghans.

:43:23.:43:26.

But they still have to play well and strictly by the rules. In this world

:43:27.:43:32.

misbehaviour is punished immediately. And the Kabul team gets

:43:33.:43:53.

instant justice. In a country still suffering from the chaos and

:43:54.:43:56.

injustice of war, they are celebrating a game where you play by

:43:57.:44:00.

the rules, where the referee's word is final. And they are hoping that

:44:01.:44:06.

some day fair play will define Afghanistan too. Activists like

:44:07.:44:13.

Ahmed usually spend their time worrying about human rights abuses.

:44:14.:44:18.

A day out with the boys, even brings him a bit of cheer. When he meets

:44:19.:44:36.

fellow activists at their usual hangout, football is now part of the

:44:37.:44:39.

political debate, especially the national side's recent triumph over

:44:40.:44:44.

India. Which made them regional champions. There were 11 men who

:44:45.:44:49.

TLIEL brought pride to -- who actually brought pride to 32 million

:44:50.:44:56.

people, and none were holding a gun. You are seeing a new narrative.

:44:57.:45:00.

Leaders in this election realise that. There is still some space

:45:01.:45:03.

between the dominant political actors and the new wave since 2001.

:45:04.:45:09.

Now that is going to play out in the elections remains to be seen, the

:45:10.:45:12.

hope that we are striving towards is to get them to play at least by some

:45:13.:45:17.

rules. Is sport so powerful that it could change a much harder

:45:18.:45:20.

potentially violent political culture? If we play together, if we

:45:21.:45:29.

have a common goal and if we don't think about it as a short-term

:45:30.:45:32.

benefit and think about the bigger vision and goal, we can repeat the

:45:33.:45:36.

success we had in sport on the political field as well. In sport

:45:37.:45:42.

there is only one winner. The Kabul team triumphs, 3-1 in extra time.

:45:43.:45:49.

For Mushtaba there is another victory. TRANSLATION: My happiness

:45:50.:45:54.

has doubled, I have always dreamed of being the best player, we won the

:45:55.:45:59.

game and I'm the Man of the Match. Well done! And that's how it feels

:46:00.:46:05.

when you are a winner in Afghanistan, it is great day for the

:46:06.:46:09.

Kabul team, but just look how the crowds have been acting today. This

:46:10.:46:12.

is game where it is win-win for a country which has had all too little

:46:13.:46:22.

of this kind of celebration. A feel-good moment is precious,

:46:23.:46:27.

changing decades of violent division much harder. But this rare presence

:46:28.:46:31.

of hope creates a powerful sense of what could be possible.

:46:32.:46:39.

That's it, you may perhaps have noticed that it was the final of the

:46:40.:46:43.

Great British Bake Off earlier tonight, so below stairs in her

:46:44.:46:47.

Glasgow Stately Home Kirsty is making a very easy orange and lemon

:46:48.:46:52.

cake from a recipe invented by someone else, she's giving it her

:46:53.:46:58.

own twist with the help of nutmeg and almonds and other things she has

:46:59.:47:02.

found in the butler's pantry, including a bottle of wine. We have

:47:03.:47:07.

tweeted the recipe. Welcome to the Newsnight morning and lemon cake. It

:47:08.:47:27.

is an incredibly simple recipe. I'm going to put the zest of a lime in.

:47:28.:47:35.

I feel Mary Berry is at my shoulder! Plenty of greated nutmeg. There is

:47:36.:47:53.

the cake. That goes into a medium oven for an hour. That is ready.

:47:54.:48:03.

Let's see if it is ready. I think it is. Paul Hollywood eat your heart

:48:04.:48:11.

out! Good evening, Wednesday is set to

:48:12.:48:26.

get off to a

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