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Could a business degree boost your job prospects? Look no further and | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
don't worry about studying. JTSDZ we are starting with high-level | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
macro-economics. It cost our friend Pete of Battersea Dogs Home just ?50 | :00:25. | :00:32. | |
to enrol with an MBA with a virtual guarantee for an MBA at the end of | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
it. A former Prime Minister wades into | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
the energy row and calls for a windfall tax. I think it would be | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
entirely reasonable for the Chancellor then to recoup that money | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
back from the energy company in a one-off impost. The Prime Minister | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
definitely doesn't like it. Why would Facebook want to be used to | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
show pictures of people being beheaded? | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
And in Kabul, we're on the touch-line reporting a good news | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
story. In a country still suffering from | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
the chaos and injustice of war they are celebrating a game where you | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
play by the rules. Where the referee's word is final. As anyone | :01:14. | :01:25. | |
who has slogged their way to get there and then slogged their way | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
through years of study there, a university degree can be a hard won | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
thing, and expensive nowadays too. But supposing that you could pay | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
some money and get a degree without having to do any work at all. A | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
Newsnight investigation has found one on-line university, offering a | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
high-level degree, in exchange for nothing other than thousands of | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
pounds. Crickets say that unless something is done to crack down, the | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
good name of British education could be dragged through the mud. | :01:55. | :02:09. | |
Lectures and libraries, books and examples, taily life for most | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
students. Higher education is meant to be something you can trust, | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
standard recognised around the world. Too often though things may | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
not be quite what they seem. There is place where it's possible to get | :02:32. | :02:40. | |
hold of top degrees and diplomas, no checks, regulations or standards. | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
Away from the real world on the Internet, it can seem that more or | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
less anything goes. Dodgy degrees are nothing new. Black markets in | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
fake bits of parchment go back to 14th century Europe. But the | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
Internet has transformed the business of dubious qualifications | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
into a billion dollar industry. It is now thought 200,000 degrees are | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
dished out each year by unrecognised virtual universities, based entirely | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
on-line. Carolyn Campbell runs the international section of the quality | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
assurance agency which checks standards in British universities. | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
Nowadays we see that these diploma and Boeing news providers are able | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
to adopt the apparatus of regular universities. They can see what goes | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
on in these institutions and they replicate it. They are very | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
difficult to track. They are very difficult to find, actually, because | :03:37. | :03:44. | |
they are operating on the Internet. So, armed with just a laptop, we | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
started to look into this lucrative business. To hand out a British | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
degree you have to be recognised by parliament. But there is a loophole, | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
it is perfectly legal to give the impression a university is run here | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
but in reality incorporate it on an obscure island with no regulation. | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
It is thought there are now around 350 unaccredited universities, just | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
like that, linked to the UK. Triple the number of officially recognised | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
institutions. Take the American University of London, founded by | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
this man, Professor Michael It describes itself as one of the | :04:26. | :04:46. | |
leading distance universities in the world, with more than 100 thousand | :04:47. | :04:56. | |
students since it was founded. This is an investigative journalist | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
specialising in internet verge, we worked with him to take a closer | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
look at the university. It might be called the American University of | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
London, you can see it is incorporated in St Kitts and Nevis, | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
an island where a lot of these institutions are based. That is a | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
few thousand miles away from where it is suggested it is based here in | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
London. Here is the location of the Post Office box, there is nothing | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
there, they don't seem to have a physical location in London at all. | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
What about the people actually running the university, what do we | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
know about them? On the website there is a video of them both. There | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
is Professor Michael Nimier, and Sonya Grime, a registrar. From | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
public records we know they are living in beckons field in the UK. | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
The phone number that the university lists is a by-election cons field -- | :05:56. | :06:06. | |
Beconsfield area and the tuition fees go in to bank in the local | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
area. While it is based in St Kitts, it appears the company is operated | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
out of the UK. On its web side the American University of London says | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
it does not award British qualifications, it has claimed to be | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
recognised by three different American institutions. All these | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
themselves are unofficial and unrecognised. It used to say it was | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
accredited in Norway, but the people there said that never happened. It | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
is though listed as bogus by the agency that values degrees for the | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
Italian Government. It has been blacklisted in five US states, | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
including Texas, where it is illegal to use any of its qualifications to | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
get a job. Looking on-line the university does boast an impressive | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
faculty list, with some well-qualified superviser, but when | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
we contacted five western academics on that list, all said that he had | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
never worked there and never agreed for their names to be used. The | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
American academic George Golin has spent much of his year researching | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
the murky world of unaccredited education. If you look closely they | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
American University of London, it doesn't hold up and doesn't have | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
legal authority for degrees, they are not degrees just pieces of | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
paper. They are charging a lot for a product that does not stand up to | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
scrutiny. I am GAESing they are not able to -- I'm guessing they are not | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
able to sell many degrees into countries where English is the first | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
language. The university says most graduates study at independent | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
colleges overseas. Those affiliated are independent with their own | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
staff, subject to their own local laws. The American University of | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
London, simply takes a fee to set the curriculum, and issues | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
graduation certificates in its own name. Given the web of colleges | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
involved, it is hard to know how much work these students have done | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
and what the quality of teaching is like. We wanted to see how easy it | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
might be to get a degree direct from the university itself. What we are | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
looking at here is the holey GRAL of macro-economics by Richard Coup. We | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
found one crack student and got to work training him up. Notice in | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
chapter seven there is a whole section here about Japanese interest | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
rates from 1990 right the way through to 2007. If you could pay | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
attention for a second. Meet Pete from Battersea, we drew up a | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
one-page CV for Pete in the name of an invented 36-year-old management | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
consultant. With 15 years work experience and a 2. . . : 1 degree. | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
Standard background for the masters in business he was applying for. In | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
just four days the decision came Just two weeks, he wouldn't be | :08:55. | :09:13. | |
expected to submit any more work? We applied for a masters degree, | :09:14. | :09:33. | |
based only on life skills and work experience. It was awarded straight | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
away. We were told no studying or extra work was needed whatsoever. So | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
long as we paid the ?4,500 fee. I wouldn't want you to think that I'm | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
cynical but this CV in itself is weak. And so at the moment just | :09:52. | :09:59. | |
having a first glance of this warning bells are going off in my | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
ear. We showed our written application to Jan Banford at London | :10:05. | :10:15. | |
Metropolitan University that runs accredited courses. I don't know how | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
true this is, I can't believe you get an offer. Would this be enough | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
for a legitimate university to award an MBA? It is nonsense. Absolutely, | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
I find it incredible any organisation awarding an MBA on what | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
essentially amounts to an application form there, but the | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
evidence is one piece of paper. None of this would matter, of course, if | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
the American University of London had no students. But on professional | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
networking sites there are hundreds of senior executives, all graduates | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
of the university. We found the chief executive of a multinational | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
drugs company and an expert in terrorist rehabilitation to who | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
served in Iraq. Others with senior qualifications include a | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
psychologist from Birmingham who gives expert testimony in court | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
cases. Dr Robert Oakes was awarded his PhD, five months after first | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
submitting workment he told us he had spent 18 months on his own | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
background research. He was already a registered forensic psychologist, | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
based on a previous degree. He said he believed the American University | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
of London was properly accredited, but has now taken the accreditation | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
off his CV. We found a senior executive in the nuclear power | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
industry. Dr Rita Bowser was in charge of selling nuclear reactors | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
in the UK. He was awarded her DBA after what she describes significant | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
amounts of course work. Her employer says she's well qualified for her | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
job, with 30 years experience and two previous degrees, including a | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
masters from Georgia Tech, a respected university. All of those | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
individuals have told us they did submit work to get their degree. But | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
the point is, because the American University of London is not checked | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
or accredited by any recognised body we can't know what the standard was | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
like or how much work they did. What we do know is that as in our case | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
the bar can be as low ascending off one fictitious made-up CV and | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
getting a degree back two weeks later. Why is it these private | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
institutions don't have the same checks and balances that | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
universities have? I think it is a huge concern. | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
It undermines the very essence of the education process that people | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
can gain a diploma, or offer one without any of the processes that | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
are required by universities. All right Already there is pressure | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
on our university system, this week the Government said places will have | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
to rise by a quarter to meet demand. On-line learning is meant to fill | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
some of that gap. But with few standards and little regulation, we | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
might have some way to go until we can really trust education on the | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
Worldwide Web. In statement the American University of London | :13:11. | :13:41. | |
The man who you saw in that piece and worked on the investigation is | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
here now. How widespread is this problem? There is thousands of | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
people at that university alone, CEOs, very senior executives, and | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
thousands of others at the other 300 institutions in the UK. It is a | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
multibillion dollar problem, it doesn't seem to be going away. It | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
has been brought to the governments attention, what are they doing about | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
it? The Department of Business, innovation and skills were told | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
about it. They said Companies House needs to investigate. They said it | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
is not their problem. They are not based here, they are based overseas, | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
OK Trading Standards were looking into it. Trading Standards said the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
same thing, it is based in St Kitts and Nevis it is not our problem. We | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
sent a whole dossier of material and said they are based, the people are | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
based in the UK, there should be something that can be done about it. | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
Most importantly, the very well qualified dog what has become of | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
him? I'm hearing the dog is still at Battersea, but very well qualified | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
for the position's about to fill. I imagine we will be besieged, or | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
Battersea will be besieged by anxious would-be owners of a very | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
well-qualified pet. Thank you very much. Coming up: | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
Newsnight thought that you would be suffering from withdrawal symptoms | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
from the Great British Bake Off, for your enjoyment, the Newsnight Orange | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
SKA Lemon Cake, the most important ingredient, a little glass of wine. | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
The row over energy prices drew in another senior politician today, the | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
former Prime Minister, John Major, a man who doesn't normally say much | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
about anything wondered about bringing in a windfall tax on the | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
energy companies which have hiked their prices. David Cameron's glove | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
puppet called it an interesting contribution, which is another way | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
of saying, thanks for nothing! The Government has no plans for a | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
windfall tax and meanwhile knows how popular is Ed Miliband's campaign | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
that he will freeze energy prices should he get elected. A man who had | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
power and one who wants it, together at Margaret Thatcher's funeral. And | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
again today Sir John Major appeared close to Ed Miliband on energy | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
prices. There are a number of ideas I think the suggestion made by Mr | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
Miliband shows his head is in the right place. I don't think it is a | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
workable proposition. I do think without some action if we have a | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
hard winter, which is quite likely, there are many people this winter | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
who will have to choose between keeping warm and eating. I don't | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
think that is acceptable. I think there is a very real chance this | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
winter that the Government will be forced by events to provide more | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
assistance to people facing real difficulties. If that proves to be | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
the case, then I think it would be entirely reasonable for the | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
Chancellor then to recoup that money back from the energy companies in a | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
one-off impost, given the SKAFL their profits and the unjustified | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
nature of the very high increases they have imposed. For Sir John to | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
clamber back on his soapbox things must be bad, in 1997, then Prime | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
Minister, he opposed Labour's plan for a windfall tax on privatised | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
utilities. Labour's windfall tax would drain the profits of | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
privatised companies in order to pay for their own spending plans. Those | :17:08. | :17:19. | |
Sir John -- though Sir John quibbles with Ed Miliband's method, the | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
backbenchers want action too? I welcome the idea of a windfall tax, | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
I have been proposing that for some time, not just energy companies, but | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
all utility companies, looking at water bills and other companies as | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
well. The way it would work is the company would eithering fined by the | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
regulators if they are under performing and charging excessive | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
amounts to the public, which many of them are for the moment. The | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
regulator or the Government would take it and give it back to the | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
consumer in the form of lower prices. Thatcher taxed oil in the | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
1980s and George Osborne imposed emergency levels on the banks -- | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
levies on the banks. Windfalls are not Anwar nat MA to the Tories. | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
Is Sir John kite flying for the Government, on this occasion as he | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
has done on so many previous ones. It is quite difficult to call, but | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
it appears probably not. The reason is this, this week was supposed to | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
be the week when the Government changed the story from Ed Miliband's | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
energy price freeze to George Osborne's thaw in the British | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
economy. With Sir John's intervention it becomes a bit more | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
difficult for the Conservatives. Today many at the top of the Tory | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
Party might be hoping that the grey man of British politics had been a | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
little bit more DPRA. Today Downing Street's reaction was cool. Sir | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
John's intervention was "interesting "they said, except this are no plans | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
for it. As Lib Demes fought Tory plans to cut green taxes from energy | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
bills, the Conservatives want more to say on this hot subject. -- the | :18:58. | :19:06. | |
Lib Demes want more to say on the hot DUBT. We have our guests with | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
us, Brooks Newmar, if you did this you might become popular again? Is | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
that a question? Yes it is, a suggestion, a helpful suggestion, | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
follow John Prescott's advice? I'm sure as David Cameron has had his | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
interesting idea, I suspect it will be kicked into touch. The reason for | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
is if you target companies through taxation that price rise will be | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
passed on to the consumer. A much better way of approaching this | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
problem is through the regulator. The big flaw in that argument is | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
that John Major is man who knows how to win elections and David Cameron | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
has never won a general election has he? Well we made huge strides in | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
2010, but I think on the subject which you were discussing here, | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
which is whether to have a tax or have a more robust policy with the | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
regulator to control prices that way, that's a much better approach, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
I think. So you are ruling out although it is advice for from man | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
with a proven record? I'm just disagreeing with John Major who is | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
now an ordinary citizen, he's no longer Prime Minister. Yes, but he | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
could win elections? I'm giving you my view. Flintoff do you support -- | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
Caroline Flint do you support the windfall tax? I don't, because I | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
think the freeze is better and is good for everyone who is a bill | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
payer. You would oppose the Government taking the advice? We | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
support a freeze ander urging David Cameron to do that. That is after | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
the next election? But the reason is because a freeze is simple to | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
implement but benefits every bill pay e and behind what we need to | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
address what John Major said today about excessive profits and | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
unacceptable IP creases is the fact we haven't got -- increases and the | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
fact we haven't a strong regulator and Labour is answering those | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
questions as well which the Government isn't. Tony Blair wasn't | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
afraid of a windfall tax was he? If you remember the windfall tax on the | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
utilities there, we felt strongly and believed, and were right to do | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
so that it was undervalued when it was sold into private hands. | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
Therefore we were recouping a sale that went ahead that was undervalued | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
and bringing some money back to the taxpayer to pay for young unemployed | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
people. Today it is different, we are tackling the problem of | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
overcharging and the customer paying the price. The similarity, of | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
course, is he too was a man who knew how to win elections. Yes, he was. | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
He was very good at it. But the truth is as well is that we need a | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
different prescription for the problem we have today. That problem | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
is about a market that is not competitive enough and a regulator | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
that hasn't got any teeth. If the Government does take up John Major's | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
advice, just to be clear about this, and brings in a windfall tax, you | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
will vote against it? We will be pursuing our policy of a freeze. We | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
are urging the Government to do that. That is not an answer. At the | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
moment what we have heard today is that the Government think it is | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
"interesting "what Sir John Major said and they will not sign up to | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
it. The truth is they have no policies to address the fact that we | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
haven't got enough competition and the regulator doesn't work. We are | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
sticking with our package, it is clear, simple and about addressing | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
fundamental problems of why this market is not working as well as it | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
should. If they were to decide on the windfall tax, you might vote for | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
it, clearly. Let's see what they come up with, they are all over the | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
shop because they cannot make up their minds, they know they have a | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
problem. And John Major has added fuel on the flames today about the | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
problems they are facial. We have a clear plan. -- facing. We have a | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
clear plan. Why doesn't the Government accept that to tackle | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
regulation and competition our proposals around separating | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
generation and retail, having a pool and new regulator are the answer. | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
Can I answer her on that? I think I know what she is going to | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
say. They are even asking you for answers because they haven't any | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
answers to the problem. She is getting very interesting there. Why | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
is it your party seems uniquely to be the only one that doesn't | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
recognise there is something gone seriously wrong with the way this | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
alleged market works? There are two answers to, that the Government has | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
approached it and the Prime Minister has made it very clear that we will | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
simplify the number of tiers there are to ensure. Tiers, what tiers? To | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
ensure the consumer better understands the price points people | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
can purchase their energy. Number one, there is a simplification | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
process? Of tarrifs. Of tarrifs, which ensures that people can try | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
and get the lowest price available. The second thing is, unlike king can | :23:42. | :23:50. | |
NUT -- King Canute, which Ed Miliband thinks he is, we can't take | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
on market forces and prices. We can't go back to the 1970s with | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
price controls. What we can do is agree on one thing which is that the | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
regulate to. So no change. So the regulator needs more teeth, you and | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
I will agree on that, nothing else. Nobody agrees -- everyone agrees | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
with simplifying the tarrifs, it is not enough. We have four years of | :24:15. | :24:22. | |
data from Ofgem. You #130R the Government -- you support the | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
Government's plan to simplify tarrifs? Of course, but it is not UN | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
wholesale prices have dropped, that hasn't been passeden to the | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
consumer, and the chief executive of Ovo, a small supplier, said over | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
this week since 2011 wholesale prices haven't increased, what is | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
going on. All you is surmise out of this, that somewhere within the | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
self-supply that these companies operate, and they generate and sell | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
to themselves, they are overhyping the wholesale cost and we are paying | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
the price and your Prime Minister isn't dealing with that. The best | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
way to deal with it is through the regulator, not increasing tax, | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
because they are passed on to the Consumer with higher prices. Even | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
the presence of no fewer than 11 foreign ministers all wanting much | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
the same thing couldn't produce a clear result when the Syrian Civil | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
War was discussed in London today. William Hague made the unsurprising | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
observation that finding way of ending a war which has already gone | :25:19. | :25:28. | |
on for over two years will be "formidably D ifficult". We have | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
this report and it contains flash YOEFy. -- photography. | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
The friend of Syria convened in London, neighbours and opposition | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
supporters such as the UK, US and France. Now that there is date in | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
the diary for a peace conference in Geneva, it is time to focus minds. | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
But even the host didn't sound too optimistic. I don't want to minimise | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
in any way the difficulties and the enormous challenges in making a | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
success of Geneva II as it has become known. Never the less we | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
believe it is very important to begin that process. It is a process | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
rather than an event. It isn't a meeting that takes place for one or | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
two days and everybody has reached agreement. It is a, it is the | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
beginning of a process. That is very important to try. And how to get | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
meaningful dialogue? Saudi Arabia mocks the process and backs a rebel | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
umbrella group that won't even be at Geneva. Russia, for its part, will | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
talk about transition in Syria but doesn't accept that President Assad | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
has to accept down. He has just hinted that he might run for | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
President next year. The Syrian opposition coalition, the | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
westerners' main hope in this, who haven't confirmed they will be at | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
the Geneva table were asked today how they could possibly attend under | :27:00. | :27:11. | |
these circumstances? TRANSLATION: They are going to Geneva II with the | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
understanding of Geneva I, which states specifically that Al-Assad | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
will not be part of the solution, that Al-Assad will leave and | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
Al-Assad will not be there. His opposition group will decide the | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
week after next whether to go to Geneva. There the moderates, many of | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
the most effective militant brigades won't go near the table, which begs | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
the question, why should the Assad Government go to Geneva if the | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
participants can't even deliver a deal. Mark has put on his best suit | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
and joined us now. If the prospect is so bad, why are they even | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
thinking about it? Well, it is a very legitimate question, they would | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
say that they think it can work, the conference can be convened, but they | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
have been trying to get this together throughout the summer, the | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
idea was first mooted several months ago, the deadline slipped from May | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
to June, they seem to think that by fixing date in the diary they might | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
force people to come to their senses and come to it. My honest view is I | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
think it is simply because the diplomats in the UK, in France, in | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
the US feel there has to be some hope. That if they admit this is | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
impossible it will simply become a self-fulfilling prophesy and they | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
should try to do it. Some fascinating remarks tonight though | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
about whether or not President Assad can survive. Now, of course, both | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
John Kerry in London today and William Hague were saying this | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
process we are asking people to sign up to involves a transition from the | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
Assad Government to a successor democratic Government. Bob Gate, the | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
former US Defence Secretary, we are hearing tonight an academic meeting | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
said by agreeing to the chemical weapons deal with Assad, the US and | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
others may be prolonging his survival. If he isn't there to | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
deliver the deal then how on earth is this going to work? That may be | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
one reason why Mr Assad is feeling more emboldened, and just been the | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
past 24 hours suggested he may run for President again next summer. | :29:22. | :29:55. | |
It doesn't the billionares in California, one jot, we report | :29:56. | :30:03. | |
Today's news-based quiz question, please say which of the following | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
you find most offensive, someone rolling a joint, someone's naked | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
breasts not engaged in the act of breast-feeding, someone taking the | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
air as nature intended, or a video of someone being decapitated. For | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
many the answer is so obvious to render the question absurd. Which is | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
why the decision of Facebook to allow again the posting of videos | :30:30. | :30:38. | |
depicting beheadings is bizarre says the Prime Minister. He said today: | :30:39. | :30:45. | |
The Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire says Facebook needs a | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
re-think. I think many parents across the country will be deeply | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
disturbed and shocked by this sudden decision of Facebook to allow these | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
grossly offensive videos back on to their website. They clearly | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
recognised there was a serious problem when they decided that this | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
material needed to be taken down earlier this year. It is strange | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
that they have now sought to put this back on without any clarity as | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
to the protections afforded to children and giving parents that | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
assurance that these issues will be dealt with properly. The Prime | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
Minister copped a bit of ridicule for his TWEET about Facebook posting | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
videos when of course Facebook is platform, it is the users who post | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
videos. But even so, the question is why allow such appalling content | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
back on to the site? In a statement the company said: back | :31:40. | :32:02. | |
The company is determined to preserve Facebook's capacity to | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
harness international outrage, to be a medium for social change. To | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
spread news of human rights violations right around the world. | :32:14. | :32:21. | |
As an example of this social action, here is the 2012 campaign to | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
publicise the war crimes of the Ugandan guerrilla leader, Joesph | :32:27. | :32:34. | |
Kony. Anticensorship campaigners say context is everything. It is a huge | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
platform Facebook, and it is used for a lot of different purposes, | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
from sharing pictures of family to as Facebook say discussing news | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
events and politics. I think they want platform as open as possible | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
and allows people to use it in a variety of ways. These videos are no | :32:54. | :33:01. | |
doubt HOR rend -- horrendous, but if people want to talk about the | :33:02. | :33:04. | |
brutality of war and terror, they should be allowed to view these | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
things. This afternoon as a result of the pressure they have been | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
under, Facebook began posting warnings alongside the videos. | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
Children are inquisitive, the likelihood is they will open the | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
sites and have a look. What I would like to see really is more | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
discussion with Facebook, which we are having about whether it is | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
feasible to perhaps have different settings for different ages on | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
Facebook. That is something I'm sure they will be looking at. However, I | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
think we do need to be ware of course all this information say | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
veilable elsewhere on the inter-- is available elsewhere on the Internet. | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
It is not just a Facebook issue. They do have a responsibility to | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
young users and we need to be mindful that significant harm could | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
come to them if they see this content. With over a billion user, | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
Facebook could never please everyone, what is offensive? What | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
should be allowed? Indeed how much responsibility the company has | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
itself on what its users choose to post, these are all questions they | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
and we are still grappling with. With us now is the cofounder of the | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
website Lively, where you can see a very large number of videos of that | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
kind if you wish to. Also with us is Colin Freeman the Sunday Telegraph's | :34:24. | :34:30. | |
chief correspondent who spent five weeks being held hostage in Somalia | :34:31. | :34:38. | |
in 2008. Are there any kinds of violence you won't allow on your | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
site? We don't allow multiples, there is not that a lot of that type | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
of media on the site. There are some but there are certain things we | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
can't and can't show. Why do you allow them? It falls within a | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
certain sense of freedom. There is always extreme with any kind of | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
freedom. Some adults wish to see it, for whatever reason. It is also | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
always purrant as people claim, it is a general human condition we look | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
at the extreme, the horrific, some people choose to, if they wish to | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
they can view them, if they don't then... What is your perspective | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
after your experience? I luckily I didn't end up in a beheading video, | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
the people who took me weren't that kind of people. Many people have | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
done. Their relatives, unlike them are still alive, and the prospect of | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
these videos being PUNTed around, you know, is not pleasant for them | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
to say the least. I spoke to someone earlier this evening before I came | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
on, one of whose relatives died in a video leaked on to the Internet. Say | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
leaked but put on deliberately, he says it is horrific the idea these | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
things are around. He has to worry about his young kids and other young | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
relatives in his extended family finding these things on the | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
Internet. What do you think when you hear that sort of testimony? Of | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
course it is absolutely horrific, for any family, who could deny that, | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
it would be ridiculous to. We see things on the news every day where | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
people die in a less immediate and graphic manager, we are shown the | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
planes smashing into the buildings all the time, families hurt all the | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
time by that. You don't see beheadings on the television, it is | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
regulated? There is a limit, death as long as it is less personal and | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
graphic. That is understandable. I'm an advocate for responsible titling | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
and information, trying to ensure people know what they are going to | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
see. When it comes to when you say children viewing it and things of | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
that nature, there needs to be some education for the parents there as | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
well. Facebook is a medium that is in virtually every home now, isn't | :36:53. | :37:04. | |
it. Ubiquitous as television? I don't promote graphic media on | :37:05. | :37:13. | |
Facebook that is for such a range of people. What is your reading of the | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
Facebook position? I would agree in a sense it is not the appropriate | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
forum, it normalises this kind of thing, to some extent. And it says | :37:24. | :37:32. | |
this is normal to see this kind of thing. More generally, if you have | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
the sort of stuff out there, there is, you know, the impact that it has | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
on someone who has lost a loved one, they are trying to make a | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
psychological recovery from a horrific ordeal and this stuff is | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
out there potentially reminding them all the time of what happened. You | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
know, particular effect from -- Kat that | :37:56. | :38:28. | |
particular effect from -- cathartic effect of seeing that happen? One of | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
the things from the Arab springs was a video shot of a man beaten to | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
death in custody, his face was shaped into a kind of garage GOIL | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
death mask, his family shot the video and put it on-line. The | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
context is everything to some exTEPT. When you are putting a -- | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
extent. When you are putting a hostage video the person who | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
intended that video to go out is the terrorist, you are doing their | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
bidding by deseminating it, that is what they want. It causes terror | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
among the people who have seen it and terror amongst others. What do | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
you make of that? The actual effect of those videos? Not that so much, | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
the man who has been beheaded clearly has no desire to see the | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
video posts anywhere? But the horrible irony, in no way humourous | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
is the releasing of these videos, we only see these in truth when they | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
are killing westerners. It was the lease of the videos and the reaction | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
to them, which is why they stopped pretty much from that region in the | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
world. It was totally counter-productive to them, it is | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
not a good thing that people were beheaded, but it was a | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
counter-productive act on their part. It worked against what they | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
wanted to achieve. There is some truth in that but it didn't stop | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
them happening. One or two Al-Qaeda groups may have said that didn't | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
work, but it hasn't stopped that kind of thing going on. It is not | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
anything like it was in 2005-2007. Now the sports news, there is a | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
spring in the step of football fans in Afghanistan. The country has just | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
won its first international trophy by beating India 2-0 in the South | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
Asian Championship Cup Final. It is still ranked 139th in the world. But | :40:21. | :40:34. | |
the final -- in the final all the country was praying for a win. | :40:35. | :40:45. | |
Lis Ducet has been charmed by the Premier League there to join a | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
country torn apart by war. Days like this are rare for a | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
generation that has only known war, division and destruction. | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
Sport is now building a new spirit. Making the people proud to be | :41:03. | :41:15. | |
Afghans. The war hasn't gone away, and NATO helicopters land at a | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
nearby base. But Afghan forces protect these grounds. Kabul in | :41:21. | :41:28. | |
yellow take on the northern team in this brand new stadium. They are the | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
best of eight clubs that cut across the ethnic lines, that still divide | :41:32. | :41:40. | |
this society. Number four dreamed of being a footballer from the first | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
day he set foot in Kabul's old Ghazi stadium, made infamous where the | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
Taliban carried out harsh Islamic punishments. At home with his | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
family, 26-year-old Mustaba remembers those years as the worst | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
in his career. TRAN Before one match -- TRANSLATION: Before the match the | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
Taliban brought in one person and shot him four times, another one's | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
hands were amputated. After that no-one was interested in seeing | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
football in the stadium. Now the nation is watching. From the | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
President to 12-year-old Sammi, who says he wants to be a footballer | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
just like his brother. Live coverage on TV brings football into Afghan | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
homes, unthinkable years ago. The Premier League was even created | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
through a reality TV show and on the popular network. In messages played | :42:45. | :42:52. | |
at half time, footballers use their new fame to urge kids to stay off | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
drugs, and stay in school. They are heros for a lot of Afghans around | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
the country. If the players are going back to their villages, to the | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
district and province, everybody knows them. They are, they can play | :43:08. | :43:16. | |
goodwill ambassadors for a lot of issues. But at the same time they | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
are role models for millions of kids and young Afghans. | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
But they still have to play well and strictly by the rules. In this world | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
misbehaviour is punished immediately. And the Kabul team gets | :43:33. | :43:53. | |
instant justice. In a country still suffering from the chaos and | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
injustice of war, they are celebrating a game where you play by | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
the rules, where the referee's word is final. And they are hoping that | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
some day fair play will define Afghanistan too. Activists like | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
Ahmed usually spend their time worrying about human rights abuses. | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
A day out with the boys, even brings him a bit of cheer. When he meets | :44:19. | :44:36. | |
fellow activists at their usual hangout, football is now part of the | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
political debate, especially the national side's recent triumph over | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
India. Which made them regional champions. There were 11 men who | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
TLIEL brought pride to -- who actually brought pride to 32 million | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
people, and none were holding a gun. You are seeing a new narrative. | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
Leaders in this election realise that. There is still some space | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
between the dominant political actors and the new wave since 2001. | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
Now that is going to play out in the elections remains to be seen, the | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
hope that we are striving towards is to get them to play at least by some | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
rules. Is sport so powerful that it could change a much harder | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
potentially violent political culture? If we play together, if we | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
have a common goal and if we don't think about it as a short-term | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
benefit and think about the bigger vision and goal, we can repeat the | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
success we had in sport on the political field as well. In sport | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
there is only one winner. The Kabul team triumphs, 3-1 in extra time. | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
For Mushtaba there is another victory. TRANSLATION: My happiness | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
has doubled, I have always dreamed of being the best player, we won the | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
game and I'm the Man of the Match. Well done! And that's how it feels | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
when you are a winner in Afghanistan, it is great day for the | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
Kabul team, but just look how the crowds have been acting today. This | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
is game where it is win-win for a country which has had all too little | :46:13. | :46:22. | |
of this kind of celebration. A feel-good moment is precious, | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
changing decades of violent division much harder. But this rare presence | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
of hope creates a powerful sense of what could be possible. | :46:32. | :46:39. | |
That's it, you may perhaps have noticed that it was the final of the | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
Great British Bake Off earlier tonight, so below stairs in her | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
Glasgow Stately Home Kirsty is making a very easy orange and lemon | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
cake from a recipe invented by someone else, she's giving it her | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
own twist with the help of nutmeg and almonds and other things she has | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
found in the butler's pantry, including a bottle of wine. We have | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
tweeted the recipe. Welcome to the Newsnight morning and lemon cake. It | :47:08. | :47:27. | |
is an incredibly simple recipe. I'm going to put the zest of a lime in. | :47:28. | :47:35. | |
I feel Mary Berry is at my shoulder! Plenty of greated nutmeg. There is | :47:36. | :47:53. | |
the cake. That goes into a medium oven for an hour. That is ready. | :47:54. | :48:03. | |
Let's see if it is ready. I think it is. Paul Hollywood eat your heart | :48:04. | :48:11. | |
out! Good evening, Wednesday is set to | :48:12. | :48:26. | |
get off to a | :48:27. | :48:28. |