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Lord Rennard fights back, threatening legal action against his | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
party over sexual harassment claims. Is this the biggest crisis ever to | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
engulf the Liberal Democrats. One senior figure in the party tells | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
me a court case would be like Lord Rennard pulling the Pina out of the | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
grenade he's holding. He will hurt others but do more damage to | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
himself. Nicolas Anelka is charged by the FA | :00:33. | :00:40. | |
over his infamous Quennelle gesture, David Baddiel says when it comes to | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
racism in football there is a double standard in play. If I had made some | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
kind of anti-immigration gesture and said that was in support of my | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
friend Nick Griffin, people would say that doesn't make it OK. Nigel | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
Farage has been haunt bid his members insulting women, talking | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
about gay marriage and floods and talking about bongo bongo land. Can | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
he clean up his party's act without wiping it out. Here is the man with | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
the job, Neil Hamilton, the deputy chair of UKIP. | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
God evening, it is hard to believe -- good evening, it is hard to | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
believe that the Liberal Democrats are party of Government when their | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
handling of the Rennard row is so buy Sandt time. In the latest | :01:28. | :01:35. | |
episode -- byzantine, Lord Rennard is threatening to start legal | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
proceedings against his party. Our political editor is here with us, | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
Emily, it just keeps giving? Only the Lib Dems, one put it, could have | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
a sex scandal that didn't involve sex, but culminated in what feels | :01:52. | :02:02. | |
like a leadership cry crisis. They are worried about how bloody this is | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
getting. Lord Rennard announced he was a step closer to legal action | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
against his own party, applying for an injunction to stop internal | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
proceedings against him. This is from yesterday when he refused to | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
apologise to the women who claimed sexual harassment. One key figure in | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
the party put it like this, a court case, they said, would be like Chris | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
Rennard pulling the Pina out of a grenade he -- the Pina pin out of a | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
grenade's holding he would hurt others but do more damage to | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
himself. We don't know the direction it will go in, but it has gone too | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
far to know how to stop it. Earlier we heard from the former party | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
leader, the liberals Lord Steel, he told us the only way out of the | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
situation was to reverse yesterday's decision. Until the party withdraws | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
its suspension it really is impossible to get the sides | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
together, whether around table or not to dream up some form of | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
apology. But I'm sure that it is possible, given goodwill, and | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
frankly it should have been done years ago. The idea that we now have | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
a third inquiry is simply ridiculous. And where is Nick Clegg | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
in all this today? I get the sense the leadership are slightly baffled | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
by all of this. Those close to Nick Clegg say it is not him demanding | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
the apology, it is not a leadership thing. He's sticking to the | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
recommendation that was made, don't forget, by the judicial findings, by | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
Alastair Webster, in that report that came out at the end of last | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
week. Lord Rennard was told to, and these are quotes "reflect on his | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
behaviour and apology guise". Nick Clegg -- reflect on his behaviour | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
and apologise", and Nick Clegg believes that should be publicly | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
made. We heard the leader had learned of Lord Rennard's action | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
through the media. There hadn't been contact between them, we know there | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
hasn't been contact for a year, and people in the party have been acting | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
as go-betweens. There is a story in the Telegraph, without citing any | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
words it suggests that Nick Clegg's wife, Miriam, is understood to have | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
raised concerns with her husband that the party had let down female | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
activists by failing to take their concerns seriously. She is not | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
quoted. That is an understanding of whether she had an involvement. | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
There is a sense not necessarily of a generational one, I wouldn't want | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
to say there is an ageist divide going on, but there is some sense | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
that those in the party that have moved forward, that are taking this | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
seriously, the women's concerns seriously are keen to hear that | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
apology, and no other sense of mediation can condition until that | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
comes. It all hinges on Lord Rennard himself. I'm joined by Evan Harris, | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
a former front bench MP for the Liberal Democrats, and now a vice | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
chair of their Federal Policy Committee and party activist, | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
Katherine Bavage, who started a Twitter campaign called Hashimotono | :05:01. | :05:09. | |
apologynowhip. Nobody from the Liberal Democrat leadership came to | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
talk to Newsnight. It is the second night they have refused to talk. | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
Lord Rennard appears ready to push this to the brink, no matter how | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
much damage he does? It would appear so, as party member of eight years | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
myself, I think it is matter of great regret he hasn't lisencen't | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
listened to calls from members like -- he hasn't listened to calls from | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
members like myself. We feel the request for the apology was | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
reasonable and he should have made the concession. There are calls for | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
the suspension to be lifted? I'm not sure it can. It is looking at | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
whether or not he hud looks a if he had brought the party into dis | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
should go ahead I think. Nobody is prepared to talk about it,s to | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
byzantine nobody has a handle about what is going on? Certain aspects | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
have been blown out of proportion. What is agreed is what was said to | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
be said by Miriam Nick Clegg's wife and presumably the Telegraph have | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
got sources inside the house. It is accepted by the Liberal Democrats | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
that the failure to act on these complaints at the time they were | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
made was a failure. It was a scandal. The leader, the President, | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
everyone has said that, and there was a report... Until Katherine | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
started last Friday, pushing for it... . This was accepted in | :06:43. | :06:56. | |
February, last year. That was where the report was made so never before | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
would this happen. If I could explain, so, on Thursday we waited | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
to see what sort of announcements were coming from the party | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
leadership. They were, you know, not particularly strong low-worded so we | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
decided the best thing we could do is write we really felt he had to | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
make that commitment to the apology. It was only after our letter went | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
on-line that Nick's statement came out and it was stronger. The | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
activists were ahead of the leadership on this. I think Nick | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
Clegg's position is no apology to whip. He has made that clear. We are | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
glad with that. There is very few people, David Steel is one, there | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
are few who disagree with that provision, but there is a process. | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
Why not come on and tell us about it? Because there is a process. | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
Please! If legal action is threatened, because of a poor | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
process. He wouldn't come on last night and there was no legal action | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
threatened last night. It has always been threatened. It has been made | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
quite clear by Lord Rennard's legal advisers that there is a legal | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
threat. It is very sad that there is this stand-off, the outcome of this | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
will either be a senior member of the Liberal Democrats expelled from | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
the party or he is not. Let me just, that may be, we don't know. That | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
That is not headline news five days running it is a serious matter. It | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
says something about the Liberal Democrats, I wonder had it not been | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
for what happened last week, what do you think would have been the | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
outcome? Well, the concern was that the whole Marmite get brushed into | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
the carpet. There was an independent report, do you accept, Katherine, we | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
need to have this debate. Do you accept there was, I'm on your side I | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
agree with you. There was an independent report that said that | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
while there was not sufficient evidence to meet the standard of | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
proof to make a finding, there was a need for him to apologise and to | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
reflect on his behaviour. And he didn't? Indeed, and that's why he | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
has been suspended pending an inquiry now as to whether that | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
refusal is bringing the party into disrepute. That process must take | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
its course. You can't judge it now. You say the process has to take its | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
course. I'm asking a broader, more general question, that his decision | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
to pursue legal action is devastating for the party, isn't it? | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
If he takes legal action, if he takes legal action. And wins? What | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
will the women in the party think, Katherine? This is a hypothetical. I | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
don't think he's likely to prevent a due process going ahead. And this is | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
just my opinion, it is extremely unlikely that an injunction to | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
prevent due process, following a QC's report. It is regrettable. I | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
just want to put a question to Katherine? We have to look at the | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
other part of that independent report that said the full | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
omplainants' description of the events was broadly credible. I don't | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
think the process has given enough weight to how that might make party | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
members feel, and not just women, a lot of my members are men, everyone | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
needs to be respected. Do you think if this is not resolved for the four | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
women concerned and all the women activists in the party, that women | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
will not want to be within the Liberal Democrats, they will not see | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
it as the place they thought it was? We have heard some people talk about | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
resignations and cutting up their membership. I don't want to do that, | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
I want to stay in the party and fight to make it safer. Would you | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
feel if Lord Rennard came back without a resolution you would be | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
welcome in that party? It would be really dis fitting, and the | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
leadership need to work with members. They couldn't do any more. | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
They have done the inquiry and now a second inquiry. We have to stop now. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
In a moment, we take a race car legend to Britain's first motorway | :10:38. | :10:47. | |
pub. The West Brom football player, | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
Nicolas Anelka, has been charged by the FA for making a salute widely | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
regarded as being anti-semetic, after scoring against West Ham | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
United last month. Accusations of anti-semitism are not restricted to | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
players on the field. Today three fans have been charged with using | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
the word "yid" at Spurs matches. Zoopla, the property website has | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
already announced it won't renew a ?3 million sponsorship of the club. | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
Newsnight has found at least two other sponsors are considering | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
pulling their support too. Both Holler Watches and Jack Wolfskin | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
told us that ending their relationship with West Brom is now a | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
real possibility. We have been talking to a comedian | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
with a keen interest in Anelka's arm gesture. | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
Nicolas Anelka, waiting for kick-off in last night's home game against | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
Everton. The striker wore the colours of West Brom and their | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
sponsor Zoopla. He could be banned for a minimum of five games after | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
the FA charged him with making an improper gesture, aggravated by a | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
reference to race or religion. That follows this infamous "Quennelle" as | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
it is known, said to be some by an inveted Nazi salute, during a match | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
last month. Anelka said he was merely showing support for a friend, | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
a controversial French comedian, whose shows have been banned over | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
alleged anti-semitism. Newsnight discussed the case with David | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
Baddiel, comedian turned novelist and film maker, who is a Chelsea | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
supporter and has campaigned against anti-semitism in football. I didn't | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
know what the gesture was when he made it, as I'm sure most people | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
didn't know. I had never seen it before, I had to be told it is a | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
Quennelle, and that is an inveted Nazi salute. So I didn't | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
particularly have a thought about it at all. But then I think where I | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
became more interested in it was in the fact that Anelka defended | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
himself by saying he was only trying to show for more his friend Judon. | :12:55. | :13:03. | |
He is, I'm aware of is an anti-semetic person. What is odd | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
about it, because it became an acceptable defence, Anelka seemed to | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
be saying it is not anti-semitism it is in support of my friend the | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
enormous antisemite. I thought that is not right here. I thought if I | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
had made some kind of anti-immigration gesture and said it | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
was in support of my friend Nick Griffin, people would say it is not | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
OK. But, I think, to be fair to Nicolas Anelka, I think probably the | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
greater resonance of what someone like Dudon is doing is not something | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
there is much support for. In France, as far as I can make out, | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
anti-establishment behaviour from people like Dudon has become very | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
mixed up with anti-semetic behaviour, such that when I tweeted | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
about this I tweeted about how it seems if you are supporting Dudon | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
then you are anti-semetic in some way. A French person tweeted me back | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
saying you don't understand, it is just anti-Government, anti-French | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Government and anti-the Zionist cab balance. I thought -- kabal. In my | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
sense you are getting close to anti-semitism in my understanding of | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
the Zionist kabal. Is it for complicated and nuanced because | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
Dudon is a comedian and it is a matter of free speech censorship | :14:34. | :14:43. | |
rather than a rabble rousing thing. I haven't seen him, he's not a | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
comedian like Michael McIntyre is a comitteedia. 's a provoke -- a | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
comedian. He's provocative in France, and he should totally be | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
fine to do that. What is complicated is he has done a film called The | :14:59. | :15:06. | |
Anti--Semite, it is not ironic, it is very anti-semetic. His targets | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
are the French establishment and Jews. It is not like he attacks | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
everyone equally, and as I say, there is an alignment in his mind | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
and his supporters' mind between the French establishment and the Jews. I | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
don't know if he should be banned or not, I'm not that interested in | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
whether things should be banned. Although I think one of the see | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
things, and this is often missed out, is once you start banning | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
things, so if you are banning people for using racist language towards | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
black people, or racist language towards Asian people, then you also | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
have to ban them for using racist language towards Jewish people. | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
For the FA there are two problems, they have to balance the fact that | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
the player is saying I didn't intend it to be anti-semetic. I have no | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
reason to disbelieve him. And then there is another issue, which I | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
think is going on here, which is I think people, I think the guardians | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
of antiracism do feel that it is more complex when the person who | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
might be being racist is themselves from an ethnic minority, | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
particularly a black person. It is more complicated for them, they | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
think we don't want to be seen to be attacking a black person when our | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
job is to protect ethnic minorities. Zoopla won't renew their sponsorship | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
of Anelka's club, West Bromwich Albion. One thing I think is weird | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
is all the papers are really telling you that the head of Zoopla is a | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
Jewish businessman. I haven't read about this story without the papers | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
talking about this Jewish businessman. I would like to think | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
that you could be of any race or religion and object to someone doing | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
a Nazi salute as a celebration. A lot of people shout this word, it | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
begins with "Y". David Baddiel made a film for the football authorities | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
urging fans not to chant the word "yid" it is often heard at White | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
Hart Lane, why there is Jewish support. Some home fans use the "Y" | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
word themselves saying they are reclaiming it. Spurs fans are | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
correct in saying they think they do it in a different way to the way | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
Chelsea fans do it, that is right. All that has to go in the mix where | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
you are trying to get into the place where anti-semitism isn't on the | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
terraces any more. It is nuanced and you have to think the best way round | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
it. Hopefully it is all heading in the right direction, but there are | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
bumps along the way. Nigel Farage likes to lead UKIP from the front, | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
to set the tone as it were. Think of his speech to the City, apining that | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
women taking time off to have children are less valuable to | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
employers. Others have distinguished themselves talking about Bongo Bongo | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
Land, and one councillor distinguished himself saying the | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
floods were due to the decision to legalise gay marriage. This week | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
their Scottish interim chairman is leading an anti-sectarian charity, | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
after decribing a local authority for gays, and communists. All this | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
after Nigel Farage said he wanted to professionalise the party. I will | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
ask the chairman if you can change the DNA of UKIP. First Emily Maitlis | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
again. Gay anthem like this doesn't just | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
become a chart crusade for no reason. | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
# I'm gonna go out # I'm gonna let myself | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
# Get absolutely soaking wet And the reason it could be set to climb is | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
this. What? Well not this exactly, but this man, David Sylvester, | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
formerly of the Conservatives, now UKIP. He said at the weekend the | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
country had been beset by storms since gay marriage was passed into | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
law. Public outcry, certainly on Twitter was palpable. Mr Sylvester | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
looked as if he would survive the day. He didn't, he was suspended by | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
UKIP after defying a request not to do further interviews. And the | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
curious thing here is not, dare I say, an unusual view expressed by a | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
UKIP member. No the curious thing here is the swift action at the top | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
of the party. UKIP is proud of its man on the | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
streets, or man in the pub image, but an insider understands that a | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
campaign is quietly under foot to professionalise the party, driven by | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
the fact that its membership has widened and changed. You sir are a | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
racist. Why? It is a big leap for a party that has, up until now, dare | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
today say and do the unsayable. Disgraceful, you are disgraceful. | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
Who could forget the larger than life, Godfrey Bloom, seen whacking | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
my colleague, Michael Crick in happier times. He called countries | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
that received Government aid Bongo Bongo Land, Godfrey, not Michael. He | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
survived many of his outbursts but eventually lost the whip in | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
September. Earlier today I spoke to the North West ME P candidate who | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
said it was imperative that people could be allowed to speak their | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
mind. Our democracy is suffering from a deficit of the truth. If you | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
nail people down and the media nail every difference you damage | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
democracy. Last week Mr Slaughter suspended his own Twitter and | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
Facebook accounts, I asked was it anything he said or regretted. The | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
tweet where he referred to the US President as "Islam-Obama". Why call | :20:43. | :20:51. | |
him Islam-Obama, what did you mean? We seem to be going down a route we | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
should move off, it is out of context again. It is a tweet, it is | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
irrelevant, in effect. What we are talking about is policy. And we're | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
talking about the macro view of the world and what is going on. UKIP | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
will tell you that the media concentrates disproportionally on | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
their crazies, when they can be found in every party. But the fact | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
there does seem to be some attempt at a January des to go is not | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
insignificant. Climate change is an area they have been told to approach | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
with more nuance rather than flat denials. One senior UKIP member told | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
me we don't need to be the party of pub bores who think they know better | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
than the scientists. He said he can't see UKIP becoming an ultra | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
politically correct party, but it is about limiting self- ndulgence. It | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
may sound like a strategy any party needs to implement. That is becoming | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
serious about power. But for some of the UKIP old guard it is deep | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
disappointment. They point to the top of the party and say it is | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
detatched from the base it first stood | :22:07. | :22:21. | |
If more power beckons, the dichotomy is this, how to maintain their | :22:22. | :22:33. | |
position as outsiders in UK politics without letting candidates lose the | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
plot. UKIP members love their smoke filled rooms, they just want to be | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
on the inside of them. Neil Hamilton was a Tory minister who fell from | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
grace now he's UKIP's deputy chair, how does the new UKIP differ from | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
the old UKIP? It doesn't, what we have heard this evening is a few | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
individuals who couldn't discipline themselves, knowing how the media | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
are going to report them. They get in the way of the party's message, | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
I'm afraid they have to go. So in effect Mr Slaughter will go, he is | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
the gentleman who said "Islam-Obama's real legacy". What | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
does that mean? First I have heard this evening. Should he go, you have | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
just said people who flout the rules should go? If they get in the way of | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
the party's message, by behaving in a way which is undisciplined, then | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
they must expect to be taken off the air. We are now a mainstream | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
political party, not a fringe political grouping. The bookies are | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
make us favourites to win the European elections. We have a | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
by-election now in Manchester, we are serious contenders in | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
constituencies up and down the country. He's not just an MEP | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
candidate. He also said that the EU floods the UK with immigrants, as a | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
tool of choice to break the UK and force integration, saying that | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
should he go? I won't get into defending or attacking people for | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
their tweets. It is not exactly Lord Rennard is it? Who knows, aren't you | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
meant to be cleaning up the party? David Cameron tweeted the other day | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
that he was part of Nigella's team and almost undermined a legal | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
action. Let's just be clear, you are saying "Islam-Obama" is the same as | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
"team Nigella"? I don't know what that is. Nigel Farage, going to the | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
top, mainstream party, he wants to set the tone, he makes a speech in | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
the City in which he says that women who have children are therefore for | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
less valuable. He didn't say that. He said it is understandable they | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
are paid less, if they go and break their careers having children? What | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
he was talking about was brokerage firms in the City who take on women | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
because of their client list, if they take three or four years off to | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
bring up children, they lose a lot of their clients, so they are less | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
valuable when they come back. Because it is the client list. That | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
is the message that UKIP wants to send out. There is no message. That | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
is just stating a fact. So they should be less valuable? That is a | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
fact. You don't think. The client list is worth what the clients on it | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
are worth. If you have fewer clients, the client list is worth | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
less, that is a simple point he was making. It is acceptable to give | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
them lower salaries? It is not whether it is right or wrong, it is | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
a fact of life. Does your wife agree with that in the party? I always | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
agree with my wife, whether she agrees with me is another matter. | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
Nigel Farage was simply stating a fact, that when a City brokerage | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
firm is taking on a woman or a man, their value to the firm is the value | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
of the client list. If the clients that the woman had at the beginning | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
of her pregnancy are much less valuable at the end of her period | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
she has taken off to bring up children, they will pay her less, | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
that is a fact of life. He wasn't making any equalive judgment about t | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
I read the transcript. There is meant to be a weeding out process of | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
problem candidates. That weeding outprocess is a couple of interns -- | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
weeding out process is a couple of interns weeding out on the Internet. | :26:26. | :26:32. | |
We have a tweet, "the Searlely miserable UK staff of immigration | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
are a sign of ruined UK, sack them all". He was probably frustrated by | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
the queue he was. I haven't come across it. You must understand that | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
there is an army of people paid by the mainstream parties, Tories and | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
liberals in particular who are frightened to death at the impact | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
that UKIP is having upon them are being paid to mine into Twitter | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
accounts, into Facebook Major Generals to find -- pages, to find | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
any remark to pervert and put in the headlights to bring down UKIP. They | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
will fail, they can't do it on policy so they are going for the | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
individual. There are grassroots who won't be talked down? We have 33,000 | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
members, what is the size of the backlash from those members. | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
Anything from the party putting anything on Twitter is fine. You | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
seem to be suggesting it is just a tweet, it matters not a jot s that | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
the case? If it is emparsing, or breaks the party's -- embarrassing | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
or breaks the party's rules they will face disciplinary action. It is | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
up to individuals to make a complaint in an individual case. I'm | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
not going to talk in general terms because you can't divorce the | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
individual and the remarks he makes from the factual context in which | :27:46. | :27:53. | |
they are made. Thank you. When the going gets rough in A departments | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
through the winter, operations can be farmed out to private health | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
firms. That is what the NHS Medical Director told MPs today in the light | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
of increased pressure and cancelled operations and Accident and | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
Emergency units. The Queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham is one of the | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
biggest and busiest in the country. Its catchment has increased 300,000 | :28:18. | :28:25. | |
since it open. Right now staff are Atajic SFUL stretch because it has | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
to deal with social issues and it can't turn anyone away. Is SGLFRNLT | :28:31. | :28:38. | |
we are firefighting on the shop floor, we are managing patient flow | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
at crisis level. We have got a really good nor rail and strong | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
team, we do pull together really well. There are times when there is | :28:50. | :29:02. | |
nowhere else to go. Sometimes I want to walk out the door and not come | :29:03. | :29:17. | |
back. Trong team, we do pull together really well. There are | :29:18. | :29:19. | |
times when there is nowhere else to go. Sometimes I want to walk out the | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
door and not come back. So the GP has sent you in today, you have been | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
to see the GP earlier, thank you, if you take a seat you will be called. | :29:26. | :29:32. | |
One was sent by the GP for suicidal talk, the crew didn't tell me she | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
had taken tenantity depressants yesterday -- taken ten | :29:39. | :29:46. | |
antidepressants yesterday. We have an increase in winter, this year we | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
have seen a huge increase in the patient flowing through the | :29:51. | :30:18. | |
department. , this year we have seen a huge increase in the patient | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
flowing through the department. I'm in charge of making sure we meet the | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
guidelines. Then you have people not getting a GP appointment and also | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
feeling that A might serve them better at that time. We have only | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
one cubicle left haven't we, is that right? So one cubicle, one | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
resuscitation bay. We do see a lot of patients come in through to us | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
that may not necessarily need to come to this hospital. What has | :30:43. | :30:52. | |
happened to you? I sort of just, my finger is just misshapen, I was just | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
putting my throw over my sofa and it just went actually, yeah, I just | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
want to make sure I haven't broken it really. I think I just need a | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
splint for it I was told. Let's get you booked in, what is your date of | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
birth. Do you get a lot of people coming in that don't need to come | :31:13. | :31:21. | |
in? Yes. A lot. A lot! Our best one was the few months ago someone | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
coming in with a love bite! Strange. How do you deal with that then? | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
Shocked, take a seat! Wait two hours, to be told off you go. But | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
you can't, you have to book them in, we can't send them away from here. | :31:40. | :31:54. | |
Take him off the scoop while on the scan. As a trauma centre we get a | :31:55. | :32:03. | |
letter to all major traumas, this is a major trauma call. The gentleman | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
was brought in by the ambulance crew, we took handover of this | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
gentleman who was supposed to have fallen top to bottom of the stairs. | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
He had multiple injuries, including to his skull, to his spine, to his | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
best, and to his arm at the time. When I started in emergency medicine | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
as a doctor in 13 years ago, what A is like then is completely | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
different to now. Nowadays we are instigating more treatment in the | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
departments, we are doing for more the patient. It is not a see, | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
assess, admit and Paston the relevant specialties, we are | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
treating more and doing more. You can't remember the name of it? Don't | :32:49. | :32:58. | |
worry darling. Phyllis came to us having been in touch with the GP | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
with pains in her arms which she had an extensive cardiac history and had | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
a pacemaker. The GP wanted her to be checked out thoroughly to see if it | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
was related to her pacemaker. Do you want a sandwich as well? Yes, if you | :33:14. | :33:20. | |
are right. I might as well might I. Make a pig's party of it! When she | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
came in we did all the routine stuff, ECG, blood and various other | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
things. And her pacemaker wasn't working as it should. And it was a | :33:33. | :33:40. | |
good call. There are more demands, I think to some extent the NHS is a | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
victim of its own success. And we regularly hear from people that they | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
hear that the Queen Elizabeth is the place to go. So they travel long | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
distances to come here specifically. So it does add extra pressure, it | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
is, it does put everybody under more pressure. Hello, nice to meet you, | :34:03. | :34:12. | |
I'm a doctor. I work to set up the front door geriatric team here at | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
the Queen Elizabeth. Our aim is to recognise potentially vulnerable | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
older people at the point they arrive at hospital. I have an | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
infection. He was worried about your chest. I never dreamed I would come | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
in today. What we will do, I think you are going out to West Heath, to | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
ward 14. Either myself or a team member will | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
see them at a first opportunity. We look to see why they have attended | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
to hospital. Where we get bottlenecks in the system is the | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
border, the transfer of care between health and social care. As the | :34:44. | :34:52. | |
population has aged, diversified, but living an awful lot longer, it | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
is actually impossible to separate out health and social care, so that | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
model that was put in place when the NHS was founded actually needs to be | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
adjusted to deal with what we have now. We seem to be constantly | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
firefighting on the shop floor, we are managing the patient flow at | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
crisis level. And I think really that has problems in getting them | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
admitted through the hospital system, and getting them discharged | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
into the community services. She has a history of left arm pain. | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
It is incredibly difficult when there is nowhere else for anybody to | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
go. We have used every possible bed in the hospital. It is very | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
frustrating. It is very hard. It is very disheartening as well, because | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
that's not what you want to be doing. You want to give the best you | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
possibly can and more. There are times when you are not able to do | :35:48. | :35:58. | |
that. Every day I actually feel I'm working to my absolute top capacity. | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
That we never have any slack within the system to be able to take a step | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
back and look where we are. Sometimes it actually makes me want | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
to feel as if I want to walk out the door and not bother coming back. But | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
then you go and see some of the patients and you sit down and have a | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
chat to a lady who has been struggling at home but didn't | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
realise she was unwell and we have done something and made her better | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
and got her walking again, and put in bits and pieces at home and | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
someone is going to bring in meals to microwave, and somebody will pop | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
in the morning that make sure she's OK. She's pleased with the plan and | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
we have managed to sort that out quickly and she goes home feeling | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
well again. It is the patients and the good outcomes that keep us | :36:45. | :36:55. | |
going. Professor Keith Willetts is responsible for acute care in the | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
NHS, you were at the Select Committee, you will have heard and | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
know the statistics across England, between 140 and 450 planned | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
operations a day, since the second of January have been cancelled | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
because of the pressure on A Disstress, debilitating? -- | :37:15. | :37:21. | |
distressing and debt bill Tating? We are sure that the NHS is under | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
pressure. That is the best and worse of the NHS. Dedicated, caring staff | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
in those circumstances, clearly there is too much pressure in the | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
system. In the short-term we are doing a variety of things to get us | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
through this while we look in the long-term and actually review the | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
whole system to actually decompress the A departments and the | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
hospitals. But in, for example, the Queen Elizabeth hospital, they had | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
to reopen the old 1930s hospital to extend their A to deal with all | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
the patients. But you saw there, and they can't turn anyone away? No. | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
They are dealing with somebody TWHA actually had -- that actual lie had | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
a love bite, and a lady that needed complex social care. It is not that | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
it is fit for purpose, it is not the purpose for which it was intended? | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
Things have changed over time, and you saw two different issues, two | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
people attending A and had the advice and Conservatives that | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
conversation possible outside the hospital they wouldn't have come. We | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
have the urgency care review that I'm leading with Sir Bruce Keogh, | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
the components are how to have self-care and how to do much better | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
on telephone advice for patients and give them the information they need. | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
To be able to put them in touch with clinicians, nurses or dentists, | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
whatever is their problem, so those sorts of issues don't go near A | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
Complex social care? The other half, is the much bigger problem in the | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
winter, it is not people turning up, that is a summer problem. It is | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
complex problems in older people, 40% have dementia now, the issues | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
are all those patients arrive by ambulance, they all need a trolley | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
and ultimately a bed, therefore the hospital is under a very different | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
sort of pressure in the winter. We have to build in a resilience. In | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
the short-term it is the sort of things you saw described there. In | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
the longer term we have to be able to, and many of the older patients | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
as well would be much better managed in the community. So for an elderly | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
patient with dementia, bringing them into the hospital particularly when | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
they need care rather than treatment is worse for them. Even on the Queen | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
Elizabeth Hospital that was built with a kind of capacity to grow in | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
the next 20 years, and it was out of capacity within two years. | :39:42. | :39:50. | |
8,000 peopl -- 78,000 people since Christmas have not been seen within | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
the prescribed time of four hours. That is seen, treated and | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
discharged. Nationally we are into week 41 of the year, it is very | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
difficult, the figures are about comparable with last year, overall | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
this year the 95% target has been met. Let me show you a quick graphic | :40:10. | :40:19. | |
in 2003/04 the capacity in the NHS for A was 16 million, it is now 22 | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
million. It was never envisaged to be such a rise. Where has the | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
failure come? Part of that, that is attendances, that is people | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
arriving. Only about 20-25% of those are admitted. So there is a lot we | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
can do about those who arrive, who have the sort of things that perhaps | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
we could manage elsewhere. Some of those we could do better In the | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
short-term, we are running out of time and I want to ask about this. | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
In the Select Committee it was said that you will use private hospitals | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
to push operations, is this the beginning of the privatisation of | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
the NHS? That was brought up at the Health Select Committee, we were | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
asked what we were doing to plan for winter this year. One thing was | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
putting in more money, which we dealt with. The other was to set up | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
the urgent care groups locally, we had urgent care, the local | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
authority, the GPs, hospital and all discussing how we would manage it. | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
One of the things we would look for at resilience, is the deputy chief | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
executive of the NHS actually met with the voluntary sector and the | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
independent sector to look at resilience, where was the spare | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
capacity, the independent sector provides most of the care home beds, | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
they have capacity in the private hospitals, so in the event of | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
needing it we could call on it. That is good resilience planning. Thank | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
you very much, if you want to find out how any major E unit in | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
England and Wales is performing, get all the details on the BBC website. | :41:44. | :41:56. | |
An extraordinary ash Kay of leaked -- cache has been found today of | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
leaked documents. This is an extraordinary story, the | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
investigative journalists have got hold of the hard drives of two | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
companies specialising in setting up offshore companies for clients. The | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
offshore world is almost always opaque, but this document gives us a | :42:17. | :42:25. | |
peek behind the veil of secrecy. There is companies set up for 21,000 | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
Chinese clients. It goes to the top, they claim the brother-in-law of the | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
President of China, he set up a company in the British Virgin | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Islands, they are also naming one of the son-in-laws of China's former | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
premier as owning offshore companies. Here is the man | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
overseeing the investigation for the last two years. What they show are | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
the secret offshore accounts of some of the relatives of the leaders of | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
China. They also show some of the richest people in China. And some | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
individuals there are actually people from state-owned companies | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
that have become embroiled in corruption scandals. What it really | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
tells us is the Chinese are using offshore entities the same as people | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
in the west. It is the western companies, the banks, the big | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
accountany firms that are helping them do this. They are heading | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
towards being the biggest users of offshore. | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
What it tells us is the Chinese are using offshore bank accounts, it | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
doesn't say what they are doing wrong? The answer is we can't tell | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
that from the files. Because the companies set up are in the | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
supersecretive offshore Vivarins, we have no idea what they have done. | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
What we can do is ask the question of why might somebody want to set a | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
company up in one of these havens, that is what I asked the chartered | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
accountant, Richard Murphy who was an expert on tax havens. There are | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
reasons why people need companies outside China. Clearly some | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
companies will use an offshore company to be their trading point | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
with the rest of the world. But actually, if you wanted that, the | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
easiest place to form a company is here in the UK. You could do that, | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
but the information would be on public record, it would be cheaper | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
for you, the regulatory burden is in some ways lower, technically, but in | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
practice of course you would be on the record. And so the reason why | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
people will use the British Virgin Islands is because they want the | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
secrecy. What kind of secrecy are we talking about here? All sorts of | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
things, avoiding tax is one, but economists have been saying for | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
years that vast amounts of money have been leaving China. Here is | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
Richard Murphy again. Of course I would be worried if I was the | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
Chinese Government about this amount of money leaving China. There is 100 | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
billion or so a year leaving. We know 60 billion is coming back. That | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
money coming back is illicit money, black money, inside the Chinese | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
economy. It is fuelling its house price increase, which is | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
destablising the Chinese economy. There is an enormous shadow economy | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
as a result, untaxed. It is creating a shadow economy and a big problem | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
inside the UK housing market. Lots of this black money going through | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
the British Virgin Islands is also turning up in our economy and | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
fuelling house prices. Let's not forget who is ultimately responsible | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
for, that the British Virgin island are British territory. Ultimately we | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
should say we are responsible and maybe we should look to clean up the | :45:26. | :45:34. | |
offshore haven. Tomorrow morning's front | :45:35. | :46:08. | |
Doctors fear brain-damage is permanent for Schumacher. Before we | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
go we asked Britain's best known motorist to drop in to the country's | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
first motorway pub, which opened at junction two of the M 40 today. Here | :46:21. | :47:17. | |
is the review. It was fog last night but rain | :47:18. | :47:19. |