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Is the President on the verge of a nervous breakdown? | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Tomorrow they will say, "Donald Trump rants | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
I'm not ranting and raving, I'm just telling you you're dishonest people. | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
I love this, I'm having a good time doing it. | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
Tomorrow the headlines are going to be, "Donald Trump rants and raves". | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
There was an extraordinary press conference this evening - | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
it sounded a bit like ranting and raving, as President Trump tried | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
to show his administration is on the right track. | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
Politically, it would be unpopular for a politician to make a deal. | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
I can't believe I'm saying I'm a politician, but I guess | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
We'll ask if it was strange as it looked, or if this is just | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
Then, at the other extreme, there is the Theresa May | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
approach to communication - not to have any. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
We'll ask if that looks business-like, or simply leaves | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
The acclaimed and Oscar-nominated film Moonlight. | :01:04. | :01:21. | |
We speak to the man who wrote the story. | :01:22. | :01:31. | |
We all know that President Trump's way of communicating breaks | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
80 minutes of press conference that, at times came across as a bit | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
There were, buried within, some substantive messages. | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
He said his administration is a fine-tuned machine, | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
the travel ban was introduced smoothly, he knows of no contact | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
Also, he's achieved a lot for jobs and security. | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
But the core was not all that, it was him lashing out at the press, | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
fake news, the leaks, judges, the Democrats, the state | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
of the world that he inherited, and the press some more. | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
I'm not sure how well short sound bites capture it, | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. I'm here today | :02:14. | :02:30. | |
to update the American people on the incredible progress that has been | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
made in the last four weeks, since my inauguration. The press has | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
become so dishonest that if we don't talk about it, we are doing a | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
tremendous disservice to the American people. I turn on the TV, | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
open newspapers and see stories chaos. Chaos. Yet it is the exact | :02:50. | :02:59. | |
opposite. This administration is running like a fine tuned machine. | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
President Putin called me up, very nicely, to congratulate me on | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
winning the election. He then called me up extremely nicely to | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
congratulate me on the inauguration, which was terrific. And the leaks | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
are absolutely real. The news is fake, because so much of the news is | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
fake. But I'm having a good time. Tomorrow they will say, Donald Trump | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
rants and raves at the press. I'm not ranting and raving, I'm just | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
telling you, your dishonest people. But I'm not ranting and raving. I'm | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
having a good time doing it. Tomorrow the headlines are going to | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
be, Donald Trump rants and raves. I'm not ranting and raving. We had | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
Hillary Clinton give Russia 20% of the uranium in our country. You know | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
what uranium is, right? It's a thing called nuclear weapons and other | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
things, like lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
things. Politically, it would be unpopular for a politician to make a | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
deal. I can't believe I'm saying I'm a politician, I guess that's what I | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
am now. There have been reports that 48 bomb threats have been made | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
against Jewish centres across the country in the last couple of weeks. | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
There are people that are committing anti-Semitic acts... He said he was | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
going to ask a simple, easy question and it's not. Not a simple question, | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
not a fair question. Sit down, I don't understand the rest of your | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
question. Here is the story, guys. I am the least anti-Semitic person you | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
have seen in your entire life. We lived in a divided nation and I am | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
going to cry, I will do everything within my power to fix that. That I | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
am going to try. I want to thank everybody very much, it is a great | :04:51. | :04:51. | |
honour to be with you. Now one thing he did - | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
a little strange in itself - was hark back to his election | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
victory, incorrectly saying his electoral college win had | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
been bigger than his four People came out and voted | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
like they've never seen before. I guess it was the biggest electoral | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
college win since Ronald Reagan. And this was how he responded | :05:13. | :05:23. | |
when challenged. President Obama 322, | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
George HW Bush 426, I was given that | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
information, I don't know. I guess my question is, | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
why should Americans trust you when you accuse the information | :05:41. | :05:48. | |
they receive of being fake, when you're providing | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
information that's... I don't know, I was | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
given that information. Actually, I've seen that | :05:53. | :05:53. | |
information around. It was strangely ill-disciplined, | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
with numerous exchanges of insults with journalists, | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
and the characteristic Icy -- I see the word tone, the | :06:03. | :06:22. | |
tone, I'm not a bad person, the tone is such hatred. Joining me is a | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
correspondent with CNN, a news organisation that has been the | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
target of some of Donald Trump pleb criticism. Brian, thank you for | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
joining us. What do you think Donald Trump is trying to achieve with | :06:40. | :06:48. | |
these attacks on CNN and the press? He is playing his heads, going back | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
to his greatest heads. This is something he did a lot during the | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
primary campaign. It worked quite well for him. He would be jousting | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
with journalists, sometimes bullying them in ways we saw again today. We | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
are going to see him on Saturday trying another one of his greatest | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
hits, a campaign style rally, going to Florida with thousands of people | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
around him. He said today the crowd would be massive. He seems to | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
already expect a big audience. He's going back to what worked for him | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
when he was campaigning, not necessarily changing to a governing | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
style. His attempt today was to distract and deflect. He was trying | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
to say, the story is about how bad you are in the media, it is about | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
the people leaking, illegally undermining me. I don't think that | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
worked. There were a number of journalists asking very important | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
questions about Russia and other subjects. There was a lot of news, | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
as you are showing, and some commentators in the US are calling | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
him unhinged. Fox's Shep Smith said it was crazy, CNN saying it was | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
unhinged. You are not feeling intimidated? Is there anything he | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
could do to CNN to shut you up or tame what he perceives as the unfair | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
press he gets? That is an important question. The relationship between | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
the press corps and the President is governed by norms, not laws. | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
Journalists are reporting from the West Wing, standing on his lawn, | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
doing live shots. Not because they are acquired legally, but because | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
the President allows it. It has been custom for decades. Right now, there | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
is no indication those norms and customs are changing. The President | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
did call CNN and other outlets today. He seemed to enjoy the verbal | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
combat. Maybe we will see him do press conferences more often. There | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
are concerns about chilling effects from the daily drumbeat, calling the | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
news media fake, the CNN, the New York Times, he continues, on a daily | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
basis, to try to destabilise and delegitimise the American media. A | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
lot of viewers, even some that voted for Trump, that is troubling. | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
Answering questions, mostly words, not actions. I see journalists | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
clearly, standing up straight, covering the biggest story in the | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
world and not being intimidated. How many people out there, in the | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
public, believe him when he says you and the New York Times are fake | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
news? That a very interesting question also. If you look at the | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
polls, we know the trust in media is low. But trust in Trump is also low. | :09:30. | :09:38. | |
The ratings and traffic to news websites, including the BBC and CNN, | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
it is sky-high. The public is very interested in knowing the truth | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
about what Trump was doing, by accessing fact checks for what he is | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
saying. There are issues with trust. I would go back to the President's | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
own polls. He tried to cite an outlier poll that is favourable, one | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
that leans Republican. Most of them, Gallup, from other organisations, | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
they show the President with a 40% approval rating, very much under | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
water in a very difficult situation. He has his base with him, there is | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
no doubt about that. But he's not gaining support from the majority of | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
the American people. When you hear him lashing out at the media, what | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
he is really lashing out about is his unpopularity. You will know, as | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
we know here, the news flow is very fast at the moment and very intense. | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
I just wonder how far he can keep this up and how far you guys can | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
keep this up over the next four years. It's a good thing 24 hour | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
news was invented 35 years ago, between television, radio and the | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
web, we are seeing constant coverage of the President. I see a very big | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
appetite on the part of the public for this coverage, including full | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
very tough coverage that hold him accountable. That is why today was | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
important, he was answering questions from the BBC, ABC, CNN. | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
Big news outlets that had not received questions in recent weeks. | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
That was crucial, we should give the President's credit for doing that, | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
even though it is a basic part of the job. When he is going to Florida | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
again, holding that rally, I am sure there will be a lot of news there as | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
well. He has been taking weekends off, going golfing. They have given | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
journalists a brief break from the news. | :11:24. | :11:24. | |
We're joined by Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to President Trump. | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
Very good evening. Do you think his press conference was a bit unhinged? | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
I think it is pathetic that the BBC would use words of that nature and | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
also the objective weird. It is only weird to journalists like yourself | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
who are biased. Brian is your authority? This is a man who was | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
called ridiculous for his obsession for attacking President Trump by his | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
CNN colleague. I would ask you to Google his name, fake news Delta | :12:04. | :12:12. | |
Airlines. It was a fabulous press conference. Can I just ask a couple | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
of factual questions? For his initial words, which went on for | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
quite a few minutes, had he made notes on that and prepared that, or | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
did he just go in and busk it? He is fabulous on his feet, he doesn't | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
need to. This is the man who, in any one day, would go to nine different | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
sites, sometimes in four different states. He doesn't need an autocue. | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
He revels in this. What we saw today was the old Donald Trump from the | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
campaign trail. It was fabulous. Did he game some questions with his | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
team, did he think, what questions are we going to get, what is the | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
answer? Or he just said, I'm going to go out there, confront these guys | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
and give them hell? The President doesn't need to. He has a whole | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
press team. We have amazing people that write talking points. I had | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
talking points for this interview, don't need to use them but the team | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
writes them. He made this claim, completely false claim, about his | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
electoral college win being the biggest since Ronald Reagan. It | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
turned out Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama had bigger wins. I'm | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
interested in how some mistake like that creeps in. This is a man that | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
looks carefully at these things. What was going on? I think you're | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
getting a little bit obsessed, yourself. If you listen to the tape | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
you just played, he said I guess I have the largest. It wasn't an | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
unequivocal statement of fact. The bottom line is that he trounced | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
Hillary Clinton. It was organisations like CNN, the New York | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
Times and even the BBC said Clinton is a shoo-in. The Huffington Post | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
said she had a 92% chance of winning. That is fake news and the | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
BBC should not be a hostage to it. What is really striking is, and it | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
was striking in the press conference as well, there is a sort of tendency | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
to leap back to the election campaign, to bang on about Hillary | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
Clinton and her weaknesses, the way that you have just gone on about the | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
way pundits got the election wrong. Does Mr Trump, does President Trump | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
realise that he won the election, he got fewer votes, he won the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
election, he is the President now, for goodness sake. He doesn't have | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
to keep banging on about Hillary Clinton. He's the President. It | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
looks almost narcissistic, almost a bit childish to be talking the way | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
that he does in campaign mode, when he is the leader of the free world. | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
Only to journalist who don't like him and have an agenda. Is he | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
looking back? My gosh I have been in this position for less than a month, | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
we have done more work in one month than the prior administration did in | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
six. The number of things we have achieved, whether with the coal | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
miners, pushing back on the anti-coal mining policies of | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
administration and the immigration reform and the modernisation of | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
infrastructure planning. It is incredible the amount of work we | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
have done and to say that we are basking in a former glory, please be | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
a bit more factual or you will be accused of fake news. So you agree | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
with President Trump that his White House is a fine-tuned machine and | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
operating well? I have never worked at this rarified strategic level | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
before, I'm a political appointment. It is incredible I come into work | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
every morning at 7 o'clock, open the newspapers and when I read a story | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
that bares no resemblance to the issue I was involved in, I was in | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
the room the day before when it was being settled, eight out of nine | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
times it is fabricated. I'm sad to say that you and your colleagues | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
have fallen into this trap of fake news. It is not fake news, we are | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
trying to understand what is going on, we are not making factual claims | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
a lot of time, we are asking questions that you don't like. No | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
not at all, ask away. Well why did Donald Trump say he knew nothing | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
about Michael Flynn having spoken to the Russian about sanctions and then | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
on Monday we learn that President Trump had known about it for a | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
couple of, more than a couple of weeks? You're obsessing on issues | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
that are not point. I'm asking a perfectly simple question, I have | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
asked it once, why did he say I know nothing about that and then on | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
Monday we hear he had known about it it for two weeks. Why did he say | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
that. It is a fine-tuned machine you said. I said the White House is | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
working as a fine tuned machine. Your question was about the | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
representation of it being a maelstrom in the White House and I | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
answered it factually based on my experience. There isn't any disorder | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
or chaos. Some people in the media would like there to be. But there | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
isn't, I'm in the building. What the president knew when, please ask him | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
when you have an opportunity. I sure you have a BBC correspondent, I | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
wasn't in that meeting with general Flynn. Let me ask you about foreign | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
policy, this is a fine-tuned machine, the president said | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
yesterday he was opened minded on solutions to the issue of Israel and | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
Palestine. Today your ambassador at the UN clarified to colleagues and | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
others there that the two state policy remained the US objective, | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
why is there this constant confusion between the president speaks, | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
someone has to go around with a bucket and a shovel picking up the | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
pieces to clarify to the allies what is going on? Your representation is | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
just wishful thinking. If you zint didn't have an agenda-driven | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
question list, well, read the transcript of what the president | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
said after the meeting with the Prime Minister. It was unequivocal. | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
We remain committed to our ally Israel and any solution will have to | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
be a solution that both sides come to. We are not going to intervene. | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
You need to stick to the facts. The fact is other people, not just me, | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
other people, were confused and reported, not because they have an | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
agenda, that there was a change in US policy. Nicky Hailey felt it | :18:49. | :18:55. | |
necessary to clarify. Why are these kind of mistakes being made. Before | :18:56. | :19:04. | |
you answer that, another one today, Rex Tillerson was in a meeting with | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
the French and they said they thought your policy was to tear up | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
the Tehran deal. Rex Tillerson said I didn't say that. It gives a | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
picture of shambles in which people are having to correct or | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
mis-statements or things that have been misunderstood. Is it everybody | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
else's fault and not your own No there is an agenda driven | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
distortion. The media accused us of being anti-Semitic and white sue | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
preppist and we have an orthodox Jew key to the decision making process | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
and you talk about anti-Semitism. We are not going to stand for it. Where | :19:56. | :20:04. | |
does the BBC or the New York times said it is an anti-Semitic regime. | :20:05. | :20:15. | |
Look at the... That is quite different to say. Tlanchts. That was | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
the response, that we didn't use the world Jewish holocaust. It is | :20:24. | :20:32. | |
absurd. When I... When the president says he hates the press... It is | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
true. I never said anything on those terms, I don't want to get drawn | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
into a Tex eventual argument. Gods forbid you would agree. When he says | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
the press is out of control and you stand there and for most of your | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
answers just say we have an agenda and we are fake news. Prove it. | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
You're using Brian setter. Is it the case you plan no action against the | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
press, the press will carry on and do its job and be allowed to do its | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
job, are there measures your intending to take. This is fake | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
news. You have committed fake news. You're implying that there is some | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
dread intent. It is absurd. What are you positing? I'm asking if the | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
president has actions in mind, he said it is out of control, we need | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
to talk about this and he hinted that he he wasn't going to put up. | :21:30. | :21:37. | |
That might mean I will communicate with everybody by Twitter or I will | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
think of things. Is it the latter or the former. I means we are going to | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
continue to do what we did so very successfully and the thing that put | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
the former real estate billionaire into and to break your monopoly and | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
the mainstream media does not monopolise news and we will go | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
straight to the audience. We are not going to put up with distortion and | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
people who believe they have a monopoly on the truth because they | :22:16. | :22:24. | |
have 60 years of a letterhead. We will communicate with our audience. | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
Thank you for talking to you. We don't like be so much the centre of | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
attention. Thank very much indeed. A week and a half to the Oscars | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
and the film that everyone has But let me tell about | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
a better one than that - not that I've seen La La Land | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
to make a comparison. It has eight nominations, | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
including best film, and it In a way it is Boyz in the Hood | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
meets Brokeback Mountain, but that doesn't begin | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
to do it justice. It's a three-act film set mainly | :22:54. | :22:55. | |
in a black neighbourhood of Miami, chronicling the life of Chiron, | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
from being a gentle child bullied at school to a young adult coming | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
to terms with his sexuality. It mixes macho brutality, | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
with genuine tenderness. The film's directed by Barry Jenkins | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
and is based on a story by Tarrell Alvin McCraney called | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
'In Moonlight Black Boys Look Blue'. They are both up for an Oscar | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
for Adapted Screenplay. And Tarrell, of course, | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
is to a large extent that gentle child we meet | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
in the film. It was based on a lot | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
of memories, particularly memories of myself and my mother | :23:25. | :23:41. | |
and my childhood growing There is a lot of me in it, | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
but I think there is also a lot of When you come to a piece | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
about self-discovery, it's very difficult | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
to leave yourself out. So one of the things Barry was very | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
generous in and very brave in is putting himself | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
in the film as well. One of the most striking | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
things about the film is the very tender depiction | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
of the mentor to the young young Well, one of the things | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
I like to say he was nurturing and mentoring and he was | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
a drug dealer, instead of "but", because but tends to dismiss | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
one part or the other. One of the things I didn't | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
want to do was portray him as one of the others, | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
that he was both to me. I think we should | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
think of all people as And if we want those people | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
to do more good than bad, then we have to think of them | :24:40. | :24:50. | |
as human beings, right? My mother's boyfriend, | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
a man named Blue, was a drug dealer, who was very kind to me | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
- taught me how to swim, taught me how to ride a bike, | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
who taught me how to make And you don't think of a drug dealer | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
being able to do that for a The film of course is, | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
a lot of it, is dealing And it is very striking, | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
and it is not just in your film, there are other accounts of young | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
gay children in underprivileged communities where there | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
is a particularly strong kind of Well, think about the way | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
in which the system is And so you say access | :25:25. | :25:33. | |
to privilege is based on That's the ideal we | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
share with everybody. Think about the way in which we look | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
at women in our society. What is the worst | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
thing I can call you? So that trickles down into all | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
communities and we think how do we maintain access, how do we get | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
more privilege, well, the more masculine I am, I mean | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
I have the means or the money to get | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
to the privilege of life, but if I'm more | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
masculine, then I'm closer to the power/access in the way | :26:04. | :26:05. | |
the society works. So one of the problems is we sort | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
of keep harping on this idea of masculinity or hyper-masculinity, | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
or more importantly toxic masculinity, because there | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
is nothing more wrong with wanting to play sports | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
or being rough and tumble, but then we honour that | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
above wanting to be caressed or nurtured or gentle, | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
then we start creating these So you can have a drug dealer | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
who drives around in a very macho car, who is also nurturing and also | :26:30. | :26:38. | |
gentle and also teaches a person So the film didn't, the film wasn't | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
created to tackle these ideas... It tackles them, because | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
they are part of life. At some point you have got | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
to decide for yourself Can't let nobody make | :26:52. | :27:06. | |
that decision for you. Every interview at | :27:07. | :27:14. | |
the moment comes back to Trump, is there some | :27:15. | :27:16. | |
link between that theme that you have explored | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
in the film and the election | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
of Donald Trump? Is it that a lot of other low status | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
people, and you know people who felt basically this man is speaking for | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
us and he has a kind of masculinity I'm just wondering if there is some | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
link there between the... The world in which we live | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
in in terms of misogyny and the oppression of women and the | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
oppression of feminism, the idea, the xenophobic ideas have been | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
there for a long time. If anything, this film should | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
show you that if this stuff was happening to me in my | :27:55. | :28:04. | |
childhood and I am 36 now, will be 37 this year, that means 20 years | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
ago we were still wrestling with these same ideas - | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
that that poverty that existed We talk about films being | :28:12. | :28:13. | |
a way to escape, to go to another person's | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
life or experience. And this film allowed | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
me to do something So we see Trevante Rhodes | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
as Chiron all grown up and you know he puts on this kind | :28:26. | :28:46. | |
of masculine facade in order to survive in that world and then | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
we look in his eyes and we see in that man's eyes that he, | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
no matter what he does, is always | :28:55. | :28:56. | |
going to be right there, that vulnerable person | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
that So no matter how many accolades | :28:59. | :28:59. | |
that I get, no matter how far I travel from Liberty City, | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
or if I'm in Stratford-upon-Avon, or in London, or Canada, | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
no matter where I sort of put myself on a platform or | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
other people do the same, it doesn't, none of that vulnerability | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
has left me. Within me and within | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
the performance of masculinity or femininity that I have | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
and education I might have, You're up for an Oscar, | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
I mean the film is up for You have a joint screenplay | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
one with Barry Jenkins. Are you going to be that vulnerable, | :29:29. | :29:37. | |
scared child if you win the Oscar? Absolutely, absolutely | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
and I think that's the thing that is incredible - | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
I think you're watching two young men from a very difficult part of | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
world, who are still carrying that world with them and particularly | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
inside of them go to a place that we never thought | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
we would get to. We've seen the Donald Trump | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
communication style this evening. There is something rather intriguing | :29:55. | :30:07. | |
about how quiet she is. She is the opposite of Donald Trump, | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
and some of her predecessors, who feel the head of government job | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
is one that requires you to keep yabbering | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
on about anything and everything - from policy and politics, | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
to sport and soap opera. It's not post-truth for Theresa May, | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
it's post-nothing - stay quiet. We'll reflect on the merits of that | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
approach, but first here's Chris Cook on the contrast | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
with the practices of yore. Since July, and the change | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
of Prime Minister, the Government This week, though, as one Times | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
reporter put it, they went dark. With Parliament in recess, | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
the Government went quiet. It really is quite unusual | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
for a whole government to be And a lot of it is down | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
to Theresa May's own personal She doesn't regard it as her job | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
to give people like me things Now, when I put it in those | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
terms, perhaps you have But here's the big question, | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
as a political strategy, does it Here is the rationale for feeding | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
the beast, from a past master. If a story comes out | :31:19. | :31:27. | |
that says something, and you don't have the capacity | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
to get on top and say, hang on, the facts are X and Y, | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
as you have probably discovered, You know, these stories don't take | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
a life of their own and then start running away into the far distance, | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
and then the public thinks, my goodness, what are they doing | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
that for, when you're not doing The current Prime Minister clearly | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
doesn't feel any great pressure with her current poll lead | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
to engage very much. She went on the Copeland by-election | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
trail yesterday in Cumbria, where she spent under three minutes | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
taking two questions We'll let you get back, thank you | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
very much. It's a fair bet, then, | :32:10. | :32:21. | |
that the current PM won't emulate Ted Heath, shown here showing | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
off his talent as a sailor And here, showing | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
off his musicianship. Showing hinterland would | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
mean having cameras in, The May approach, though, | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
can save you from trivia. Tony Blair, shown here | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
in opposition, later opined on the jailing of Deirdre Rachid, | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
a character from Coronation Street. Even David Cameron's tweeting | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
about British sporting success Maybe this will work, | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
a low profile may preserve the sheen that attaches | :32:52. | :32:58. | |
to new prime ministers. But more pressure from other | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
parties, or events, Right now, the polls | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
suggest her low-profile We're joined by the broadcaster | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
and columnist Steve Richards, by Ayesha Hazarika who was a special | :33:08. | :33:18. | |
advisor to both Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman and by | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
Matt Chorley from the Times. He was the Times journalists that | :33:22. | :33:31. | |
used the phrase going dark. Is it a pain that you go and don't get | :33:32. | :33:42. | |
stories from her? It was recess, journalists were left to their own | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
devices. It does seem to be working. Every time a journalist says give us | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
a story, otherwise it is going to be bad for you, this lack of media | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
coverage, they say, do you want to look at our latest poll ratings? | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
They think it is working for now. How different is it your days? Very | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
different. It's interesting seeing Tony Blair popping up. I think New | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
Labour, in the to 97, when we first got into power, we set the rule book | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
in terms of professionalised media publications. We set up a grid and | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
everybody was obsessed. What is this grid? It is the seven days mapped | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
out and you have to have events in it. We would have grid meetings, a | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
grid manager. A lot of job creation is generated by the grid. To quote | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
Tony Blair, I think there is a third way in all of this. You don't want | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
to become so obsessed with the grid wagging the tail. You need some | :34:48. | :34:55. | |
thinking time to populate it. Matt, is there no grid? There is, the | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
rulers don't put anything on it! That is the difference. -- the rule | :35:00. | :35:07. | |
is. You speak to govern and advisers, they say we would love to | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
do stuff, we are trying to get stuff on the grid. So Number 10 is saying | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
not to? They say why rock the boat? The risk, putting a minister on TV, | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
is that they say something that generates news. Or just to say | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
something! Steve, you have been around a while and written about | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
Prime Minister is, is it the right thing to do? | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
Depends partly on context and partly the personality of the individual. | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
With new Labour, they suffered such a terrible press in the 80s, the | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
early 1990s, certainly the New Labour generation were totally | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
obsessed, partly justifiably, partly to the point where it becomes | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
stifling. What are we going to say about Coronation Street? They were | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
in a complete... I was once having a cup of tea with Tony Blair, early in | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
his first term, 40 points ahead in the polls, William Hague already | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
doomed as Leader of the Opposition. Someone rushed in from the press | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
team saying William Hague is going to say something about hybridisation | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
of rural post offices. What are we going to do? What is the message? | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
Anyone would think they were about to collapse as a government. That | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
becomes stifling. Here approach is interesting. She is much more shy | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
than Tony Blair and David Cameron. It is quite interesting, in such a | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
public position. Her media performances, I think they are | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
authentically awkward because she is shy. She doesn't enjoy them. Cameron | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
and Tony Blair, on the whole, enjoy them. It is partly her own | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
reticence. She can get away with this with opinion poll leads and an | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
opposition in disarray. But there will be times when it becomes an | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
issue for her. No doubt. The problem is the vacuum. You've got to write | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
something. There is an e-mail you send out every morning, you have to | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
feel that with something. If she is not giving you something, you can be | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
mischievous? We have seen business rate rises, they have been planned | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
for some time. This week, it is on the front pages again. Tomorrow as | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
well, a big rise is coming, it's affecting pubs that people love, | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
hospitals that people love. That feels like, this week, because it | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
has been recess, the government hasn't been doing anything, business | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
rates has taken on a life of its own and it will probably mean that the | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
Chancellor will have to do something about it. It had a prominence | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
because there has not been anything else? At the moment, because the | :37:39. | :37:46. | |
opposition is so weak, also because there is the destruction of Brexit | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
and also when Trump wakes up in the morning and hits the tweet deck, the | :37:50. | :37:58. | |
danger for the Government and the press operation, I think they can be | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
quite complacent about it now, but they shouldn't forget that there is | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
lots of domestic crises bubbling up. The NHS, business rates, cuts in | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
school budgets. There are things that the public are getting | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
exercised about. Just having a press strategy that stonewalled everything | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
is not going to be sustainable for a long time. In a way, at this point, | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
it is quite sensible. One Brexit, people were saying, what is her | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
plan? The Economist at the front page of there being no plan. She did | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
a speech. I disagreed with some of the content, but it was almost a | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
work of art that they had worked and sweated over for a long period, but | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
quite an effective way of doing things. Wait and then deliver. You | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
can't do it when you are in control of party and government as she is at | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
the moment, it becomes harder when you lose control, which will happen | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
to her at some point. I have just been doing some talks for the BBC | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
about six prime ministers, what I have learned us I ad-libbed my way | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
through these talks is that the ones that lasted longest work, one way or | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
another, teachers. They regarded part of their role as to constantly | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
mimic it. Thatcher was an instinctive teacher, always | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
communicating simple messages as a matter of human course, almost. Tony | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
Blair to this as well. Maybe the story of 2016-17 is that | :39:22. | :39:34. | |
the New Labour spin model was completely bust come on two sides of | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
the Atlantic you have two contrasting new models. Trump has | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
broken all of the rules of the old spin model, and Theresa May is | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
breaking them. If you sat back and asked yourself, which of the new | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
models do you prefer, which would you say? I think you are right. | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Journalists like to be given stories. Some politicians like to be | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
in newspapers. The danger is that we think a of stories in newspapers | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
about politicians is what the public want. Actually, I the reaction to | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
the spin culture, which people got more and more fed up with, is they | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
quite like not seeing the Prime Minister on the TV every night, | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
saying what they think about every passing thing going. You slip into a | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
danger, as a politician, if you think success is measured by how | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
many splashes you get, having worked for lots of politicians, the biggest | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
thing is sometimes, why am I not in the newspapers? You need the | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
balance, a good example was the Brexit speech that she did, doing | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
less, but doing it better. So, having the time to properly think | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
through your message, your policy, your strategy and communications, | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
that should be the icing on the cake. When everything is driven, | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
when the grid gets out of control and you are just trying to keep up | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
with the grid, that is very scary. Imagine Trump's spin doctor tonight, | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
if the focus was on message discipline! I think they have moved | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
on from that one. That is all we have time for. Kirsty will be back | :41:14. | :41:15. | |
here tomorrow. Have a good night. Hello. A cold night in Scotland on | :41:16. | :41:31. | |
the way. There will be a touch of Frost and fog patches around, those | :41:32. | :41:33. | |
in southern Scotland slow to clear tomorrow morning. A bit of patchy | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
rain from the Midlands, North West England and western Scotland to | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
begin with. A lot of that fading into the afternoon as the bulk of | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
the UK turns dry. Thickening cloud again in Northern Ireland. Still a | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
bit of light rain for parts of western Scotland. The best of the | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
sunshine, throughout much of Scotland, will be down the eastern | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
side. Grey over north-west Scotland, Misty and matey. Richard | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Brighton-Knight towards East Anglia. It looks rather | :42:04. | :42:05. |