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Are you going to answer any questions about the contacts of your | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
associate with the Russians during the campaign? Can you guarantee no | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
one in the campaign had any contact with the Russians? | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Is the media now the official opposition? | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
We have an intimate inside look at a turbulent week of a complex | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
No direct questions about the biggest news story by far is insane. | :00:30. | :00:43. | |
And the issue does not, in a press conference? The audience is being | :00:44. | :00:44. | |
told not to trust us. Ahead of the President's big speech | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
to congress tonight, we'll discuss the fights he picks, | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
and the victories he can achieve. Also tonight. I have to balance our | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
resources against the whole of the risk. | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
Is there such a thing as a low risk paedophile? | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
We'll ask when - or if - rehabilitation is ever | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Inventors have deep pockets, let's make sure we hold them responsible | :01:10. | :01:18. | |
for the dangers they are introducing into the world. | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
In three and a half hours President Trump stands before both | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
houses of the US Congress to make the biggest speech | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
It's not officially a State of the Union address - | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
you have to be a year in office for that, but it will be like one. | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
The theme - we are told - is "the renewal of the American | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
spirit" and it will be wide-ranging; lots of policy, including | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
healthcare, all infused with a good deal of Trump optimism. | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
It's a chance for the President to set out his stall, | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
It'll be interesting to see if he uses the speech to unify - | :01:51. | :01:58. | |
because his five plus weeks in office mark him as one | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
of the most divisive presidents anyone can remember. | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
Just today, he was on Fox and Friends blaming President Obama | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
I think President Obama's behind it, because his people are certainly | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
behind it, and some of the leaks possibly come from that group. | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
You know, some of the leaks which are very serious leaks, | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
because they're very bad in terms of national security. | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
But I also understand that's politics, and in terms of him | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
being behind things, that's politics, and it | :02:28. | :02:28. | |
Well, he is deeply polarising, the public are divided about him. | :02:29. | :02:38. | |
His approval rating at 42% remains lower than President Obama's | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
first Februrary for example, and lower than George W Bush's too. | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
But the same polls demonstrate the marmite factor when it | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
Approval among Democrats is at 10%, among Republicans, it runs at 88. | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
Trump supporters have stuck with the faith. | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
Ahead of that speech, our diplomatic editor Mark Urban is here. | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
What do you think the president is going to say to Congress? This is | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
where he has got to start the business of governing, laying out | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
some plans. A more positive vision as you said in the inaugural speech, | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
the big headline items, plans to slash US corporation tax to | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
stimulate the economy. To rethink the so-called Obamacare health | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
package and boost defence spending by $54 billion this year. Something | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
he intends to do by deep cuts in the State Department, foreign aid and | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
other things. 37% cuts as reported just before we came on air is the | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
plan he is working too. How's that going to go down with Congress, | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
which is probably been dominated. It is but the majority in the Senate is | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
Badger are just two seats and cannot be taken for granted on spending | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
matters in the house either. He has not even made the speech and the | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
Senate majority leader before we went on air said this is not going | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
to happen. These cuts to the State Department. So before he has even | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
laid out this agenda he has the Republican leader in the Senate | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
pulling apart bit by bit on certain key planks of what he's trying to | :04:22. | :04:32. | |
say. And always foreshadows a much bigger argument, if he makes those | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
cuts in corporation tax, a $2 trillion battle and the public | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
finances by 2020 and where on earth is the money going to come from. | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
Fiscal conservatives are nervous, they do not mind some aspects like | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
the stimulus spending especially if it is in their district, but how is | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
this going to be paid for. Prepare for the battle lines to be drawn. | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
It's all about whose side your on with President Trump, | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
but the most striking feature of the last few weeks is who he has | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
The peddlers of fake news as he would have it. | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
Some say it's a deliberate distraction from bigger issues, | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
but the stakes are high in that battle. | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
So before we assess where the White House sits | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
ahead of the speech, we'll take an inside look | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
Documentary maker Olly Lambert spent a week with his camera | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
in the White House, a quite turbulent week at that. | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
Every president in American history has disliked the press | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
What's unusual is none before this has declared war in the first week. | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
I call the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
We always have an adversarial relationship, and that in some cases | :05:40. | :05:49. | |
We are supposed to have a thick skin. | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
We are supposed to be dispassionate observers. | :05:57. | :05:58. | |
We are not bringing ourselves to the table as | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
We are being brought into the story and it's a | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
You've got to try to cut through the clutter | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
and try to focus on the | :06:09. | :06:09. | |
President Trump's embattled national security | :06:10. | :06:19. | |
adviser General Michael Flynn stepping down Monday night in a | :06:20. | :06:21. | |
firestorm of criticism after misleading vice president | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
Mike Pence and others about his conversations | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
with the Russian ambassador to the United States. | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
And the White House has been hit with its biggest | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
The President's national security adviser, Michael | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
Flynn, has had to resign amidst reports that he'd had secret contact | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
with Russia before Trump took office. | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
These have been very, you know, tumultuous weeks for a new | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
To have a national security adviser get forced out so early on, | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
to see something happen that quickly. | :06:58. | :07:06. | |
Right now, this briefing room is a place you have to be. | :07:07. | :07:16. | |
This is Jeff here in the briefing room. | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
Michael Flynn's shock resignation draws a | :07:20. | :07:20. | |
big crowd to Sean Spicer's daily press briefing. | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
The challenge for the White House is to make sure that | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
And that's why some of these briefings can be | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
The big media question is what did the president know, | :07:35. | :07:47. | |
When did the president find out that Flynn had not told the truth? | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
We've been reviewing and evaluating this issue with respect to General | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
Flynn on a daily basis for a few weeks. | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
The president was very concerned that General Flynn had misled | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
Why would the president, if he was notified 17 days ago, | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
that Flynn had misled the vice president and other officials here, | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
and that he was a potential threat to blackmail by the Russians, | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
why would he be kept on for almost three weeks? | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
Well that assumes a lot of things that are not true. | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
This was an act of trust, whether or not he actually misled | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
And that was ultimately what led to the president asking | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
for and accepting the resignation of General Flynn. | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
The briefing happens, but then there are still so many | :08:35. | :08:49. | |
other questions that develop in the intervening hours | :08:50. | :08:56. | |
and the press secretary's office is out that hallway, | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
Two hours after the briefing, a selected group of journalists | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
is invited to what's called a gaggle. | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
An off-camera meeting with Sean Spicer in his office. | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
So there's been an exodus out of Sean Spicer's office. | :09:10. | :09:17. | |
The gaggle has revealed another twist. | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
Trump had known for over two weeks that Flynn had discussed | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
But Trump didn't inform his vice president Mike Pence. | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
Pence had found out about it by reading the Washington Post. | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
When the White House counsel knew about it? | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
You cannot have your national security adviser running around | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
misleading senior administration officials, especially | :09:45. | :09:45. | |
Despite the best efforts of the press team, the Russia | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
Benjamin Netanyahu has arrived in Washington. | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
But after Flynn's resignation, the press corps are hungry | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
to question Trump on his relationship with Russia. | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
The protocol of a joint press conference is that four journalists | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
But it's the leaders to decide which journalist to call on. | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
David Brodie, Christian broadcasting. | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
For the second time this week, Trump ignores the major networks. | :10:35. | :10:47. | |
Instead, he selects questions from two small | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Mother asked directly about his links with Russia. Are you going to | :10:51. | :11:04. | |
answer any questions about the contact your associate had with the | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
Russians during the campaign? Can you guarantee no one on your | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
campaign had any contact with the Russians? | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
The idea that four reporters, two domestic and two foreign, | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
in two events, eight total questioners and no direct questions | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
about the biggest news story by far, the biggest news story | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
We have a huge story going on now on the Russians, up blockbuster story | :11:24. | :11:40. | |
alleging contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Russian intelligence and the issue does not come up in a press | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
conference! Because he's calling on friendly news reporters, it is | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
amazing. You have to work hard to be able to call on to reporters who | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
would not ask that question. That takes some doing. Why did you fire | :11:58. | :12:07. | |
him? While the major networks feel ignored, this is a chance for | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
23-year-old trade, white House correspondent for the newly formed | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
conservative outlet, one America news. I asked the president what he | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
thought about that story that came out in the New York Times. | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
I asked the president about that phone call that... | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
It's such a unique opportunity for young journalist to have, | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
you know, I wouldn't trade it for the world. | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
It's something that I'm extremely excited about. | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
I think it gives other outlets and other viewers and other readers | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
an opportunity to feel like they're connected to this | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
Bringing new people in is great and helpful, they represent audiences | :12:42. | :12:55. | |
that have real readers and listeners and viewers. What we do not want is | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
for any administration to either hand-pick and get the question is | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
they think are best to help put out a message instead of going out and | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
defending their policies every day. I don't think people realise how | :13:08. | :13:16. | |
small this place is, This is essentially our home, | :13:17. | :13:18. | |
and it's been our home This used to be Franklin | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
Roosevelt's swimming pool. I mean, it's not very | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
comfortable here, there My cell phone doesn't | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
work at my desk. You're there at 4am, | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
you're not sleeping for a week. It's a vibrant, dynamic, a little | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
strange place to be right now. The Russian crisis is threatening to | :13:42. | :14:11. | |
engulf the White House and at the last minute Sean Spicer cancels | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
sisterly briefing and Trump announces his first solo press | :14:18. | :14:19. | |
conference as president of the United States. I got the call, he's | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
having a press conference, come to the White House. When I saw the note | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
is that it would happen in an hour, I raced over. | :14:29. | :14:29. | |
Just another example of never a dull moment! | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
I've never seen such short notice for a first conference. | :14:32. | :14:40. | |
I had a sense it was going to be a pretty contentious affair. Ladies | :14:41. | :14:50. | |
and gentlemen the president of the United States. | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
I want to get you to clarify, because it's a very important point. | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
Can you say definitively that nobody on your campaign had any | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
When Trump has a story that he doesn't like, | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
This is fake news put out by the media. | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
Makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia. | :15:12. | :15:22. | |
It was an hour and 17 minutes whether President insulted reporters | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
to our faces and the public is being told not to trust us. | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
I've never seen more dishonest media then, frankly, | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
The public doesn't believe you people any more. | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
Now, maybe I had something to do with that, I don't know. | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
Story after story after story is bad. I won, I won. There is zero | :15:43. | :15:54. | |
chaos. This is a fine tuned machine and the press should be ashamed of | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
themselves. He's is resetting his presidency or trying, after four | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
tough weeks with leaks and problems and firing. He was just trying to | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
reset and that was his way of doing it. He goes in that press conference | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
and suddenly he's like that Trump that goes, come at me. I'll shut you | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
down, I'll insult you until you to sit down. Sit down, I understand the | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
rest of your question. Quite, quite, quite. Sit down. You don't have to | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
do that. I don't have to tell you what I'm going to do in North Korea | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
and eventually you guys are going to get tired of asking that question. | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
He's never been in a place where if he tells the lie it's going to get | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
reported as a lie. This is a different kind of press corps. I | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
guess he was -- it was the biggest electoral college win since Ronald | :16:51. | :16:51. | |
Reagan. I was given that information. I was | :16:52. | :17:22. | |
given that information but it was a very substantial victory, do you | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
agree with that? OK, thank you, that's a good answer. You can push | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
back and say no, we're not fake news, wield real news. At some point | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
the President of the United States has to deal with reality, has to | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
deal with real news. I think the only thing that's worse than fake | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
news is the denial of real news. Aren't you concerned you are | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
undermining the people's faith and the first Amendment, freedom of the | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
press in this country when you call stories you don't like fake news? | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
Why don't you just say it's a story I don't like? We just keep doing our | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
job. Nobody ever got into becoming a reporter to be loved. If he wants to | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
go after us, that's his decision. I'm not sure that's a smart, | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
long-term decision for building support in the country. Four years | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
to go. Yeah, I mean, you don't like to be locked in with a group called | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
a bunch of liars, especially when the person doing it is the President | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
of the United States of America, and when your job is to cover the | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
President of the United States. It's hard to explain. After awhile it | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
just doesn't bother you any more. You just go for your story, ask your | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
questions. It is stressful and training, but I feel such pride that | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
we, in the face of all this, did our very best to present the most honest | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
account of what happened here in this building to our audience each | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
day. Because if they don't hear it from us, I'm not sure whether they | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
will know the truth. That was put together by Ollie | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
Lambert. Earlier I spoke to congressman | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
Tom Reed, a Republican known I asked him what he thought | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
of Mr Trump's more The President has his own style, | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
I have my style, but what he's bringing to the table | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
is a new vision for America, for Let's talk about his relationship | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
with the press, with the media. He obviously thinks | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
they're out to get him. Do you agree with the way | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
he's handled the press Well you know, again, | :19:39. | :19:40. | |
he has his own style and we all appreciate that, | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
in our different ways, but holding the press accountable | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
I think is a positive thing. But at the same time, | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
we need a strong, free press in America and I support free press | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
and holding people accountable in elected office is something | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
that we do traditionally and will continue to | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
do as we go forward. I tell you what, let me ask | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
you three yes/no questions I've got to see really | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
whether you agree with the President Do you factually agree | :20:07. | :20:17. | |
with the President when he says they make up sources in order | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
to make up stories, fake news? Do you think that the New York Times | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
makes up stories, yes or no? I think there's always | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
a kernel of truth in each But that's why holding | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
the press accountable, as well as the press holding | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
the President and us accountable as elected officials, | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
that's what the American tradition The next one, do you agree | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
that the press are the enemies of the people, would you use phrase | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
to describe the media? I think when you're talking | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
about an objective press that's doing the job of journalism, | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
that's made us proud That is a tradition that we support | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
and has made us stronger And I'll just give you a last | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
one on this very brief, this kind of quickfire round, | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
do you agree with excluding the New York Times and CNN | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
from the briefings, the way Did you think that | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
was good practice? I'll let the White House answer | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
for that, but in this day and age of 24/7 news coverage, | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
there's not a move that isn't covered immediately | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
by the press, and that's good. That's why I do the town halls, | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
that's why I answer to our folks back home, because standing in front | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
of people and being held accountable is what it is to be an elected | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
official and I respect that and I take that responsibility | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
very seriously. A lot of people are saying the kind | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
of battles he picks, particularly the one with the media, | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
is designed to distract everybody's attention away | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
from more substantive issues, notably the issue of his | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
relations or his staff's Do you buy that, that there | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
is a kind of distraction I don't think it's | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
a distraction strategy. I know that's new to a lot | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
of people and that can be disruptive in of itself, | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
but what he's doing, he's delivering There are so many politicians | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
who have not done that. Do you think Congress is going to be | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
a problem for him over Working with the President, | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
there's going to be Obviously there's going to be that | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
debate that Congress has always had with the presidents, | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
over the years, but that's the process we enjoy, | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
that's the process that's made us strong for generations and I only | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
see that the reinforced by this OK, let's take a specific | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
one on the relationship He is proposing to spend | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
50-something billion You guys in Congress don't | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
like borrowing more. He's not going to be able to find | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
the money just from cutting environmental protection | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
or the State Department And that's why we have a process, | :22:39. | :22:39. | |
that's why Congress is going to be part of that process, | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
just as the White House Going back and fourth | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
is what the legislative process Tom Reed, Congressman Reed, | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
thank you so much, thank you. Joining me now from New York | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
is Tina Brown, former editor of, Tatler, Vanity Fair, | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
the New Yorker to name but a few. Thank you for joining us. Do you | :23:03. | :23:13. | |
think the press, as a sort of community, if you can think of it | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
that way, do you think they gave Donald Trump a fair hearing when he | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
arrived in office and won the election? I think there has been a | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
huge amount of hyperventilation from the press, but I will say that I | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
think they were kind of gobsmacked when he just came right out of the | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
box and insulted them. The very first press conference at Sean | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
Spicer held, which is normally the here we are, welcome to the new | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
administration, was this sort of absolutely crazed bull running at | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
them, telling them that they had lied about the absolutely | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
demonstrable figures of the inauguration crowds, calling them | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
lies. I think they were almost winded by that, to be honest. It was | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
a staggering display of instant animosity from the other side. It's | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
really only got worse every day afterwards. Do you think the press | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
have, if you like, taken him seriously and taken his mission, | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
which I think he sees to shake things up a lot, do you think | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
they've given him enough of the benefit of the doubt on that | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
mission? I think one of the problems is that | :24:18. | :24:25. | |
he's so abusive and... The difficulty is everybody response to | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
every tweet as if it is something serious to respond which I think is | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
an enormous Tessmann mistake because they waste for freight. At the same | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
time, Trump, I think they are foolish and away to be as shocked as | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
they are that he's delivering on what he says he's going to do. | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
Ultimately we're so used to Presidents coming in after campaign | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
promises and saying they're going to do things and actually they don't, | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
that Trump coming out of the box like a raging bull saying he's going | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
ban Muslims and rescind transgender rights and all the things he's | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
doing, people are aghast because he said he was going to do those things | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
are now he's saying again he's going to do them. The difference now is he | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
can't do most of them. The danger now is he will be all hat and no | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
cattle, as they say, a guy that shoots his mouth off and says he's | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
riding out there to change everything and he can't because he | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
is sloppy, uninformed, poor legislative expertise and a kind of | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
very naive idea about how government works. What he said yesterday or the | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
other day, it turns out health care is very complicated, much more | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
complicated than we thought. You could hear the hollow laughter | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
echoing around Capitol Hill. Presidents have resident with health | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
care. Look what happened to Hillary Clinton when she tried on behalf of | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
Bill Clinton, it's a tough thing to do not easy. He thought he could | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
come raging in and fix it. He's going to go to Congress tonight and | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
make a speech. His next battle could be with Congress, they will go in | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
the normal Washington Way, compromising and looking at the | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
process as they call it an Trump will be Trump and not want to do it | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
that way. The public, they seem at the moment to be more behind Donald | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
Trump, his supporters have remained faithful. The public seem to prefer | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
the president to Congress. Where is this going to go over the next two | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
to three years? I personally think that within a few months Trump will | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
be against Congress. I don't think the press will be the enemy, it will | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
be people in Congress who don't pass the Mexican War bill... I think he's | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
going to go to war with Congress very quickly and then become a kind | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
of maverick folk hero to his base, who will feel here is the guy we | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
elected, we gave him a mandate to do all these things and Congress is | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
thwarting him. Then there's going to be a lot of rock and roll, because | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
then you're going to see people losing their seats. They're going to | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
be going to war with their own constituents. It will be very | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
interesting to see how that shapes up. No one will disagree with that. | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
Tina Brown, thank you. Also joining me from New York | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
now is Ann Coulter, conservative commentator, | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
Trump supporter, and author I wonder if I can ask you, do you | :27:10. | :27:19. | |
think he goes out of his way to make enemies? A lot of politicians think | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
their job is to make friends, even if they are being a bit phoney. | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
President Trump clearly doesn't believe that? | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
I think the positions he's taken are so opposed by both Conservative and | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
Liberal media, the Democrat and Republican party and certainly | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
corporate America that they will be sworn enemies no matter what he did. | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
If you're going to come out against illegal immigration and for building | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
a wall and protecting working-class Americans, all of the elites in | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
America will be opposed to you. It's pretty much Trump and 65 million | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
voters against all of the elites of Wall Street, Washington, DC, | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
certainly of Hollywood. They want their cheap mates, the Democrats | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
want the votes. It's his positions that made him their sworn enemy, not | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
anything, how he speaks or anything else. We haven't spoken since way | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
before the election. You framed it there as the elite against the | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
working people of the United States. We haven't had a chance to talk to | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
you. There are a lot of billionaires and Goldman Sachs blokes employed in | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
the Donald Trump administration. What's going on there? Well, a lot | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
of people have worked for Goldman Sachs. The ones I guess you're | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
talking about aren't working there now. Even before Trump... What are | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
you talking about, they are the elite, aren't they? That are some | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
elite who support Raw but by and large they are against them. There | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
are a few senators and good congressman but by and large out of | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
hundreds of members they are with the lobbyists, with Chamber of | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
Commerce and the prediction of the last guess, that Trump would go to | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
war with Republicans in Congress, she's a little late on that, he's | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
gone to war with them. Donald Trump famously refused to endorse the | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
Speaker of the house during the election, Tom Ryan. Paul Ryan, | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
sorry. Where is it going to go? We are denied they're not going to cut | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
the Department state aid budget as much as they can to fund military | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
spending, this is a movable object needs irresistible force, isn't it? | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
No, I think the people are with Trump. Part of the reason he got | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
elected was because we are sick of this do nothing Republicans in | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
Congress. Congress was elected as well. Congress was elected, too. | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
They've got their row mandate, their legitimate as well, aren't they? I'm | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
not saying they're not legitimate and saying they're not popular. | :29:57. | :30:04. | |
That's why someone who was so out of politics was just made president of | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
the United States. You have two choices, generally when someone is | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
running for Senate, Democrat or Republican. I spent the last few | :30:13. | :30:14. | |
election cycles haranguing Republican voters to vote for people | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
like Mitch McConnell, I don't particularly like him either but | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
he's better than a Democrat. OK, you take that choice but I think you | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
probably will see a lot more drama Republicans. It takes a while for | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
this turnover. It's like the House of Lords, Congress, it's very hard | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
to get rid of incumbents but they aren't very popular with the people. | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
Let me ask you about the press. You did not see art inside view of the | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
relationship between the White House and the press, do you think it is | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
legitimate for US newspapers with millions of readers to ask questions | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
about the relationship between the Trump team and the Russians? Or just | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
false narrative and getting in the way? Like so much else, the elements | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
of the media that are asking, the media is large, and a lot of that is | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
just pumping out fake blues at a mile a minute and this nonsense over | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
Russia, it is strange coming from someone like me who was on the side | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
of Reagan during the Cold War to have these modern day John Birch | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
types looking for a Russian underneath every bad. But I think it | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
is worth pointing out that Trump is not at war with the media but at war | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
with the fake news coming from the media. I believe everyone has always | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
accepted you cannot have a democracy if the media do not print the truth. | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
And this media at least a lot of it, do not. But the New York Times, CNN, | :31:45. | :31:52. | |
ABC, from the modern was a king Boz to the Russian news, to this crazy | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
thing about Sweden. They falsely accused him of claiming there was a | :31:57. | :32:04. | |
terrorist attack in Sweden. And knocking a disabled reporter. We | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
could talk all day about this. Thank you so much. | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
When it comes to criminal justice, there are two reasonable | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
sounding propositions, that are in conflict with each | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
other: One says all significant crimes should be properly | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
The other says resources should be focussed on the most serious crimes | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
The police have to weigh up these two every day - | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
but one chief constable made explicit the tensions between them | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
with respect to crimes of abuse of children - | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
suggesting that those who view indecent images but go no further | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
should not be jailed but rehabilitated. | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
This does not mean that the offender doesn't get arrested, | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
because I would recommend they absolutely do, | :32:43. | :32:43. | |
but there is, I believe, a space here for the effective | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
The fact that organisations like Lucy Faithfull Foundation, | :32:47. | :32:53. | |
with programmes they have, are able to demonstrate | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
they have a positive impact upon men who have unhealthy thoughts around | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
children, and this is around saying we need to target our resources | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
against those people who are intent in committing the most | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
Well, Chief Constable Bailey who you heard there is the head | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
of Operation Hydrant, which is investigating multiple | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
allegations of historic sexual abuse across the UK. | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
His comments have prompted quite a debate. | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
So is there such a thing as a low risk paedophile? | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
Jim Gamble is a senior police officer, and was | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
the founding Chief Executive of the Child Exploitation | :33:30. | :33:30. | |
He now serves on a number of local authority child safeguarding boards. | :33:31. | :33:40. | |
Dr Heather Wood is a Consultant Adult Psychotherapist - | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
at the Portman Clinic in London, which is part of the Tavistock | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
Thank you for joining us. Thinking about the numbers, to have any idea | :33:46. | :33:56. | |
what the numbers are in this category of people who look at | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
indecent images but go no further? I do not think anyone knows and that | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
is part of the problem. We from exercises carried out using software | :34:05. | :34:13. | |
in 2012, CEOP estimated 60, 70,000 people at any one time could be | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
downloading images. Last November it was estimated at up to 100000 and | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
that figure is extrapolated aboard spot much of it based on a guess. | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
The figures of 100,000 are based on software that monitors particular | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
image is being downloaded. I have heard much higher figures, like half | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
a million plus or something like that. There are figures were the | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
NSPCC for example in some combined studies extrapolate those figures | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
out to 750,000. But the bottom line is it is how we deter people. I just | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
want to know how many weird talking about because in terms of | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
practicality of sending people to Jane -- to jail. Heather, do you | :34:57. | :35:04. | |
have rates of paedophilia, prevalence rates, you know what the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
numbers are? We do not know what the percentages are. If we went through | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
a policy of rehabilitation, how successful is that, I mean...? | :35:17. | :35:25. | |
Paedophilia essentially is a mental health diagnosis so we have to make | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
a distinction between people who offend against children, which is | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
the business of the criminal justice system, and people who have a | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
paedophilic sexual interest around children so some of the people who | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
offend against children are not actually consistently paedophilic in | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
their sexual orientation. There are some people who are paedophilic who | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
never enact with children. And I think we now know as a result of the | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
behaviour we have observed in relation to the intranet, there are | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
some people who have made adult to adult intimate relationships but | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
actually under the influence of immersion in internet sex, actually | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
break down to express a more explicitly paedophilic sexual | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
interest. So I think these are different groups of people. Would | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
you accept that there are these categories? I do not because when it | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
comes to managing risk, that has not been my experience. So we find | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
someone who goes online to view images of children, the hypothesis | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
is that those looking at low level images represent perhaps a lower | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
risk but that has not been my experience. I've seen individuals | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
looking at the lowest form of image who have committed the most | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
horrendous crimes. And I can give you examples of those individuals. | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
If we're going to base the risk management regime on that basis then | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
you are playing the lottery with the lives of children. Is that fair? | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
Yes, I agree on this point. You cannot tell the difference on the | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
basis of the nature of the images people are looking at. So we have | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
seen people who for example can get sexually aroused by looking at | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
Mothercare catalogue. It does not actually differentiate between high | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
and low-level offenders but there are criteria. Can you extinguish | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
between high and low risk offenders? I think both from research evidence | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
and from clinical experience, we're starting to develop an awareness of | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
what the criteria are. And is that good enough then for us to say you | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
are low risk, so we will treat you differently from someone who we | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
think is high risk. You think it is question mark yes, and I think | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
researchers are refining reliable tools like now. Have you any idea | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
what the kind of error rate is, and we probably have to accept there are | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
always some risks in every case, but you know what the error rate is if | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
you think this person is not likely to offend against a child, are you | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
wrong 91% of the time, how much? I do not know. In the study that | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
Heather took part in herself, looking at 20 offenders over a | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
10-year period of time, one who dropped out went on to reoffend but | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
that is just one who was caught reoffending so the issue, you're | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
talking about the best liars in the world. Simon is delivering the wrong | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
message to the wrong people at the wrong time. Parents and carers are | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
anxious enough about this and to talk about it in blather terms about | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
counselling is a mistake. The method should be to the government to say | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
there are too many offenders, so invest... You cannot put another | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
100,000 people in jail. We convicted 35,000 people in 2012 for drunk | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
driving. Convicted and that means we investigated a lot more so we are | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
being seduced into a position of saying that the numbers are too | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
large but they're not. If we were talking about terrorism we would be | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
investing resources, assets and money into getting better at this. | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
We need to identify this. And the child sex abuse enquiry is taking | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
evidence and those people currently going to bed demented tonight by the | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
legacy of what happened in the past could have been better protected if | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
we had taken the numbers more seriously in days gone by. And we | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
cannot have this. We need to leave it there, thank you. | :39:21. | :39:22. | |
And tonight, American philosopher Daniel Dennett offers us an opinion. | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
He is the author of among other works, Consciousness Explained; | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
he specialises in the philosophy of mind; his latest book | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
And he has views on artificial intelligence. | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
They're making smart tools, not colleagues. | :39:37. | :39:43. | |
Artificial intelligence is now harnessing algorithms that | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
mindlessly sift through gigantic datasets, yielding brilliant | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
After several dormant decades AI is blooming again and computers | :39:51. | :39:58. | |
They're already better than the experts in many | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
Various visionaries are predicting that super intelligent | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
agents are inevitable - balderdash! | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
While I agree that it's possible in principle to make a super | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
intelligent artificial agent smarter than any person, don't | :40:16. | :40:17. | |
IBM's duly famous Watson, the Jeopardy quiz show winner, | :40:18. | :40:25. | |
could in principle be enlarged into an agent worth befriending, | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
say, but the project would cost maybe a million times more | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
than making Watson in the first place, and who would pay for it? | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
What we need is smart tools, not artificial colleagues, | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
and that's all we're going to get in the foreseeable future. | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
The biggest and truly imminent danger is overestimating | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
the comprehension of these tools and ceding moral authority to them. | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
People tend to overestimate the comprehension of any AI that | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
We must break this congenial habit and train users | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
to treat the tool as a tool for which they are responsible. | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
First, banish cutesy human touches which are, to put it | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
Second, users should be licensed and bonded. | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
The insurance companies would then insist that manufacturers divulge | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
any known blindspots or weaknesses, the same way pharmaceutical | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
companies must now real off all the known side-effects | :41:22. | :41:23. | |
AI inventors have deep pockets, let's make sure we hold them | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
responsible for the dangers they're introducing into the world. | :41:30. | :41:43. | |
That's it for today, which is of course Pancake Day. | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
So courtesy of Pathe, we leave you at the Old Kent Road | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
pancake race, which was held in February 1963, just three | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
weeks before the Beatles kicked off the modern era. | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
Captain Courage, a name of note in thirsty London, | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
There's 350 yards to go, that's a furlong and a half with 20 | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
Right from the beginning out in front is Grace Walsh, | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
hot favourite, mother of two, winner last year. | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
Nobody can catch Grace, she's going strong as she bursts the tape. | :42:16. | :42:23. | |
Champagne for the winner and a prize of ?10. | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
Now, one last toss of the pancakes, including one that got away. | :42:28. | :42:45. | |
Good evening. We're heading into the month of March | :42:46. | :42:46. |