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Welcome along to the big show and what a show we have tonight! | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Bob Geldof is here with his Boomtown Rats. | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
And of course we'll be discussing the big issues that you want to talk | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
There've been massive political developments across these islands | :00:13. | :00:51. | |
Scotland is calling for another independence referendum, | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
Sinn Fein want a border poll, and in Dublin, Michael Martin | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
is looking at a paper on Irish Unification, | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
and the Taoiseach wants a referendum about Irish people north | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
of the border being allowed to vote in their presidential elections. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
So big, big shifts happening post-Brexit, and then | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Ireland is told, get over it, don't worry about it, it is going to be a | :01:10. | :01:26. | |
frictionless border, whatever the hell that means. Nobody knows. Let | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
me put the record straight. No border, hard or soft, will be | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
accepted by the people of Ireland. But British armoured cars and tanks | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
and guns couldn't do in Ireland, 27 member states will not be able to | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
do. Theresa May, your notion of the border, hard and soft, stick it | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
where the sun doesn't shine, you are not getting it in Ireland. | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
Some of the audience laughing. Is that funny or offensive? I | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
understand why the laughing. It got quite a lot of feed on social media. | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
A lot of Unionist people were sharing it and they were having | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
quite a lot of humorous comments about that performance. I think if | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
you just roll back three or four weeks, you had an election where | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
Sinn Fein was constantly talking about respect and I think there was | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
a severe absence of respect yesterday. Whenever Martina Anderson | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
was making a speech. Wasn't a joke? It is a clear absence of respect. | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
The comments from Michelle O'Neill over the last number of weeks as | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
well, the waffle, waffle, waffle comments and so forth, there has | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
been a severe lack of respect shown towards our Secretary of State who | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
is here to do a job and should be shown courtesy. Matt Carthy from | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
Sinn Fein, what is she at? Is your party trying to wind people up no? | :02:59. | :03:07. | |
Was that coordinated, premeditated? Anybody who has been listening to | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
what Martina Anderson are any one of the forged Sinn Fein MPs have been | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
seen here in Strasbourg and Brussels will be not one bit surprised by the | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
comments of Martina Anderson. Nobody has done more to protect the | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
interests of the people of the Northern Ireland since the | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
referendum last year and Martina Anderson. I have joined her on a | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
number of occasions with the European Commissioners and | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
representatives of the council with almost every delegation represented | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
in the European Parliament making the case as strongly as it needs to | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
be. The people in the north of Ireland will not suffer. Here is | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
what I am asking you. How has your party got any moral authority left | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
to ask the likes of the DUP to treat it with respect? You criticise them | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
for not taking the population with respect, when your Representative | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Martina Anderson tells the British Prime Minister to stick deck for the | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
sun doesn't shine. Is she really at that base level? The question you | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
asked was what she at? Does she really have... Making the case as | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
forcefully as it needs to be made so people right across Europe | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
understand that the potential implications for the island of | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Ireland, north and south, of Brexit are so great we cannot allow it to | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
become part of some... It is vulgar. That is where your party is that no. | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
Did throw that type of offence at the British minister is vulgar, is | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
it not? The point has been made as forcefully as needs to be made and | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
we continue to make this point. Under no circumstances can we see | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
any hardening of the Irish border. The reality is that lots of people | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
in Ireland, north and south, going to suffer as a result of Brexit. The | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
implications were always great as a result of Brexit. All of the | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
challenges and problems presented are exacerbated because we are no | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
fees with the prospect that one part of our country will be taken out of | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
the EU is remaining. That is not the current discussion in Northern | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
Ireland. The current discussion is the language that your party has | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
used while asking other parties to show respect. It is one of your | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
campaign slogans, for goodness sake. And then you should -- through that | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
type of abuse at a British payments. White are you smiling? What is funny | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
about it? If you want to be sensitive, that's your own business. | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
Sinn Fein have been consistent in saying that we will argue and demand | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
at every single opportunity in every single for privately and publicly we | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
need to ensure there are special arrangements put in place so we | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
don't see any hardening of the Irish border because the complications and | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
implications of any such move would be so great that the error just | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
simply an copperhead will to us and we are not going to tolerate any | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
situation where a British Government behave as we have been doing for the | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
past number of months, setting out their own strategies Brexit that | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
doesn't give a single iota of concern for the invitations that | :06:14. | :06:21. | |
will have for any county in Ireland, whether the six counties in the | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
north or any of the rest. We see the implications for agriculture, | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
business, students, the economy and the ever so great we need to make | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
those points forcefully. When it comes to agriculture, the vast | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
majority of the farming community voted to leave the European Union. | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
The reason they voted to leave the European Union is they were sick, | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
sore and tired of the regulations imposed upon them and the | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
regulations posed upon business in general. How do you know the | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
majority of them voted to leave? Doing the doors for the election, | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
the Assembly election which took place before the European | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
referendum, farmer after farmer after farmer was telling us that | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
message, over and over again. A vast majority of Nationalist farmers, I | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
believe, voted against, voted to leave the European Union as well. I | :07:09. | :07:16. | |
speak to a lot of people and that committee. I know that community | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
well and the voted to get out of Europe because they are sick so and | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
tired of the regulations of people in Brussels telling them how to do | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
their job and not telling them very well how to do it. They have been | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
huge constraint on the welfare of agriculture, huge problems for | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
agriculture and the benefits have come from Brussels are far | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
outweighed by all of the rest... Go ahead. Picture hand up. With the SNP | :07:39. | :07:46. | |
asking for a second independence referendum and Sinn Fein gesturing | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
towards the border poll, it is time the British Government started | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
taking the devolved institutions more seriously in the negotiations | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
about Brexit? I think that is right. We need to take the devolved | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
institutions and the whole of the United Kingdom and the Irish all | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
talking together to work out how do we make the union work better. Not | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
how do because to fall apart. Is direct rule free period going to be | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
better? We want our Government any here and showing respect to each | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
other. You think that can be done in three weeks? Three weeks of is what | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
it starts with. We need to sort it was happening with our hospitals, | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
schools, there is so much that needs to be done here. There is ten days | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
left. You any closer to getting the deal? Work is taking place, I think | :08:37. | :08:44. | |
next week will be a very, very busy week for all of us. Considerable | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
background work is being done. Any compromise between new? You go into | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
negotiations with a willingness to look at what other people are asking | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
for, explore that and Testament as to why they're asking for it. To | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
resolve issues. You don't go in with the hard-nosed attitude. At the same | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
time, we intend to be tough in the negotiations but pragmatic in terms | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
of getting the Assembly back in the room again. At any cost? Not at any | :09:14. | :09:22. | |
cost. We are your red lines? We are not setting red lines. We are in | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
there to negotiate. You have set red lines. There will never be an Irish | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
Language Act under Arlene Foster. That is the red line. Is Sinn Fein | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
would prefer James Brokenshire to be running Northern Ireland, van | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
working with the DUP we want to actually run Northern Ireland, we | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
want people in Northern Ireland to be making the decisions on behalf of | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
the people of Northern Ireland. If Sinn Fein want to bring a British | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
director Ronald ministered to build Northern Ireland, that'll be up to | :09:55. | :10:03. | |
them. Go ahead. Does Theresa May's stands towards Nicola Sturgeon's | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Brexit concerns come straight out of Arlene Foster's hand-picked and is | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
it helpful? What do you mean? The way she is just denouncing Nicola | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
Sturgeon's concerns about Brexit. Theresa May doesn't seem to be | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
taking anybody's concerns about this Brexit thing seriously apart from | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
those concerns in her own party. There is a lot of truth in what you | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
say. Certainly, the response of Theresa May to the mandate that | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Nicola Sturgeon has in Scotland was quite derisory and I think she has | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
made it more difficult for herself to sell any future day with the | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
devolved administrations. It has been our experience and experience | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
of Scotland in particular. That is borne out in part by the comments of | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
Martina Anderson, the lack of knowledge, around Brexit, what a | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
double meaning, it is not just in terms of the border but the economy | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
and our relationships. Even within England, it looks as though those | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
who campaign for Brexit, once they've won, the actually jump ship | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
and left it there. And now the hour trying to interpret what Brexit will | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
mean. I actually think Theresa May's comments to Nicola Sturgeon were | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
most unhelpful. Help me understand how that is not going to be some | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
type of hard border. Help me understand how someone can walk | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
effortlessly in and out of Europe. Northern Ireland will be outside of | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
Europe, Ireland will be within inside Europe I can just walk over | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
the border and there will be no checks. Is that right? Two choices. | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
We could have a hard border, there could be checks. What Sinn Fein are | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
seeing and we are seeing in the north last year, is that that wasn't | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
something that was acceptable to them. How does your secure its | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
border? What we have been putting forward is an argument for the north | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
to receive special starters so it would remain part of the European | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
Union. So there is no border at all? The border would be maintained on an | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
island of Ireland basis, people coming in leaving the island of | :12:19. | :12:26. | |
Ireland, would go through the same immigration controls. Would that | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
work? Not necessarily. The border we have been told from the evidence | :12:32. | :12:33. | |
given in the Northern Ireland affairs committee, the European side | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
had to have checks for goods but as far as the Common travel area, | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
people can move freely. It is only on the goods. There is a long way to | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
go on negotiations and a lot to be played out. What happens with the | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
dudes? What has been proposed by Sinn Fein is fantasy politics. That | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
won't happen. There is no prospect of that happening. I don't want to | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
remain in the European Union, I want out. I wouldn't be fighting for it. | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
It is up to the Europeans what happens with the border. Theresa May | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
doesn't want a hard border. The political representatives in | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
Northern Ireland want a hard border. But if Europe insists they are going | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
to have these tariffs and all of that there, it would be to the | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
detriment of Europe because Britain imports twice as many goods to | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
Europe as it exports from it. If the are going to be like this and going | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
to insist on this, it will certainly be some kind of border. You have no | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
problem with a hard border? We want the border to remain as it is, but | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
if it's going to be imposed, is going to be imposed at the behest of | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
the European Union. Martina Anderson was targeting the wrong person. | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
Theresa May doesn't want a hard border. It's the Europeans who will | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
impose it upon us, not Theresa May. It is Britain that will be doing it | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
if they leave the customs union. You have different trading policies on | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
either side of the border, you have to have physical checks. You cannot | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
avoid it. We want is special deal for Northern Ireland, that could be | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
wearing Northern Ireland stays in the European union, like Norway. | :14:16. | :14:25. | |
What is the boat? In Northern Ireland the vote was for yes and | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
quite clearly we have to appreciate a one size fits all Brexit across | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
the UK is not going to work. It would work for Scotland, Northern | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
Ireland. We have our peace process, I Good Friday Agreement, we are a | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
divided society, we are now going down this road of... Why does this | :14:43. | :14:51. | |
matter in terms of Europe? We need stability. The only way to have it | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
is if we have some recognition of our special circumstances. If we are | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
dragged out of the European Union against the well of local people | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
without some form of special deal that recognises the fact... What | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
special deal? We single market, European funding, how we protect the | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
Good Friday Agreement. The whole essence of the agreement is that | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
people buy into this shared space. People can operate on a north side | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
bases, east west bases. What Brexit is about is beating downlines. | :15:25. | :15:31. | |
Do you think we get a special deal? There is no prospect of it. I was | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
speaking to our leader this week and she was talking about some form of | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
special arrangement. She is not talking the Sinn Fein version of | :15:45. | :15:53. | |
staying in the EU budget -- but she has recognising... What special deal | :15:54. | :16:02. | |
does she want? I am aware of what the DUP has signed up to. It is for | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
them to answer what they are talking about. You have hinted at it. Last | :16:07. | :16:15. | |
summer they wrote a joint letter to the Prime Minister which touched on | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
a number of issues facing Northern Ireland. There was a set of | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
principles agreed... You said you spoke this week to Arlene Foster. I | :16:24. | :16:34. | |
can see what they don't want is for Northern Ireland to remain part of | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
the EU but they're saying it is different from the rest of the UK | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
and we have to recognise that. She hasn't told you she wants a special | :16:43. | :16:49. | |
deal. She says she recognises there are a special circumstances. If we | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
had devilish -- devolution restored... It was a UK wide vote, | :16:56. | :17:04. | |
special circumstances are not going to work. We knew it was either we | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
are going as the UK are we are staying. I voted to leave. Northern | :17:11. | :17:21. | |
Ireland voted to stay but it was a UK wide vote. Sinn Fein and anyone | :17:22. | :17:29. | |
else should accept it. With respect, really what people thought about was | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
just leaving the EU and getting extra millions into the health | :17:33. | :17:43. | |
service. That disappeared quickly. That is the ?350 million a week on | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
the side of the bus. It wasn't just that, Arlene made a comment during | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
the week where she said there should be a special deal for Northern | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
Ireland. America further and say that in terms of Brexit it is | :18:02. | :18:10. | |
regrettable that the DUP fronted for a research group UK wide further | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
Brexit campaign. It is very patronising to people. You know what | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
it means but the public doesn't. Nobody knows what it means. Even | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
those who campaigned for it. It means we are casting the shackles of | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
Europe. It means the fifth largest economy in the world will run its | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
own business. We have been relegated already. Tell that to the firms that | :18:44. | :18:53. | |
might move back to France. Their economy has risen since the Brexit | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
decision, employment and business have gone up and the economy is | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
thriving. Are you saying the economy is thriving? The economy of the UK | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
is thriving. There is more wealth amongst about 6% of the people and | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
greater levels of poverty amongst a 90%. I know some other parties like | :19:17. | :19:26. | |
to talk Northern Ireland down but our unemployment rate is half of | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
what the average of Europe is. And look what our average salary is and | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
the level of child poverty. We are talking Northern Ireland town again. | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
It is about facing the facts. 48 workers this week, told the jobs | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
were going, you covered that. In the absence of a devolved | :19:53. | :20:01. | |
administration. That particular course of work was one I had | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
actually saved. Civil servants in the absence of politicians have | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
taken it away. All the more reason to sort ourselves out. We covered it | :20:10. | :20:21. | |
on the show. It was an organisation that helped involvement will -- help | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
vulnerable families. The civil servants have told them it is over. | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
The civil service and health and social care board said it was a | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
pilot project but civil servants have said that is it. 47 people are | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
going to lose their jobs and there have been some vulnerable people | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
contacting the shorter safe they are desperate now. Early intervention | :20:47. | :20:58. | |
that took place with those families will save us hundreds of thousands | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
of pounds each year because young people will get a chance in life. It | :21:03. | :21:16. | |
is government. -- it is gone. We are prepared to get to the bottom of the | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
problems that were around. Sinn Fein decided they would take advantage of | :21:22. | :21:30. | |
the situation. Might you sacrifice your leader in order for governments | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
to be restored in Northern Ireland because Sinn Fein are saying they | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
will not go into government with you while Arlene Foster is being | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
investigated? We fully support our leader. If anybody wants to dictate | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
to the DUP as to who we nominate for any position, they will find it is | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
our choice. We did not tell Sinn Fein that their people were | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
unacceptable. If we listen carefully to what you have said, you're not | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
saying that Arlene Foster will definitely be your leader nominated | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
for the First Minister post. You might give her away. It is for hard | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
to make that decision herself but we are not offering up Arlene Foster do | :22:20. | :22:35. | |
-- to anybody. What you are not saying and what Arlene Foster is not | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
saying is that she will definitely be the nominated candidate. You are | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
leaving it open as an option. We are not setting red lines. Arlene Foster | :22:49. | :22:58. | |
as a leader of a political party gained more seats than other | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
political parties, why are you not saying that she will be the | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
designated candidate? It is for her to make that decision and we are 100 | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
cent binder and if she nominates herself to be First Minister and | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
then she will have our full endorsement. Has she talked about an | :23:18. | :23:29. | |
option of her standing aside? No. So the uniform statement from the DUP | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
is that it is her decision, you are all coincidentally saying the same | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
thing. It just makes sense. That was was her decision as to who she would | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
nominate last time as well. It is the job of the leader of the party. | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
Do you think the union is under threat? No. Is Dublin circling | :23:51. | :23:59. | |
around the union? People read into the election results that the unions | :24:00. | :24:10. | |
are in a minute or two in the Assembly, even in the election were | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
Sinn Fein worked so hard to get the vote out, still people came out to | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
vote for Unionist parties. I voted to remain for a number of reasons | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
but one was because I grew up on the border and I know what it is like | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
living beside a visible hardboard and nobody from the panel can tell | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
me what it is going to be like when we leave Europe, what my family will | :24:34. | :24:46. | |
have to face. -- heart border. I had to cross the border to buy things, | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
to practice my faith. Nobody understands what a heart border is | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
to the people that live on it. There are so many people who live on | :25:00. | :25:16. | |
the border and cross it all the time. We have big populations on | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
either side so we have to restrict the UK not to leave the customs | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
union. Europe is the biggest market so why are we throwing that we? If | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
we can keep everyone in the customs union and think about the single | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
market for Ireland then there are prospects of surviving and the | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
region flourishing. The UK Government are being and talking in | :25:44. | :25:52. | |
platitudes and meaningless phrases. What is most crucial is that we will | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
get nowhere in terms of fighting for Northern Ireland unless we have an | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
executive that is functional with a clear plan around Brexit. Therefore, | :26:01. | :26:12. | |
to flip some of the questions, why doesn't Sinn Fein in the interests | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
of the people of Northern Ireland, go into this negotiation now without | :26:17. | :26:28. | |
any red lines? That is the spirit that Sinn Fein are entering the | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
negotiation. You are dictating to them who their leader will be. We | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
are stating clearly that we don't have the confidence in Arlene Foster | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
that would allow us to support her nomination for First Minister while | :26:43. | :26:49. | |
the cloud is still hanging over her. Does this DUP have confidence in | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
Michelle O'Neill when she celebrates and engages and aligns himself with | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
people who tried to put bullets into policemen many years ago? -- | :27:01. | :27:14. | |
herself. There are no clouds hanging over her in relation to cash | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
scandals. She was found guilty by a judge as to how she administered her | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
department in the Department of agriculture. I am sitting on an | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
uncomfortable seat here and I have listened to the whole debate and I | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
like to be able to complete one sentence without interruption. I | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
think it is clear we need to say this. An earlier contribution quite | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
rightly said that Theresa May, the Irish government, EU institutions, | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
they are happy to say there should be no return to a hard border. But | :27:53. | :27:59. | |
what do they all mean by marker on? Some cases it is the simple free | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
movement of people. To us what a hard border is is anything that | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
makes it more difficult for farmers for example to operate or trade in | :28:10. | :28:17. | |
an all Ireland basis, for other businesses to operate, for students | :28:18. | :28:24. | |
to travel across the border, anything that makes it more | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
difficult for communities on either side of the border. The truth of the | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
matter is that all of those things are up in there and up for | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
negotiation as a result of the failure of the British government. I | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
was going to ask who will man the border and who will pay for the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
people on the border? Who is going to man the border? There is a | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
reality that given what happens during the troubles with the many | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
soldiers and police officers, it is not realistic to have a customs | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
borrowers would have been the case many years ago. A lot of it has to | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
be around technology in terms of people movement. Even on goods it | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
will have to be around technology. It is in the best interest of | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
everyone that the EU do not insist that Britain leaves the single | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
market. And that we all stay in the single market. Consequently we don't | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
have a heart border. We have to move on. | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
Well, you all know this show is all about the politics | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
He's a household name who doesn't mince his words and likes to get | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
You are on the European Parliament fishing committee and you are | :29:44. | :30:00. | |
attempted one out of 43 meetings. -- attended. You are a fraud, Nigel. | :30:01. | :30:11. | |
The gentle, he doesn't shout very much, please welcome Sir Bob Geldof. | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
Good to see you. Hello. Help me get my head around where you are | :30:18. | :30:31. | |
rattling your head with Brexit. It is, without question, the greatest | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
act of national self harm that has ever been perpetrated in history. | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
APPLAUSE And yet you are a Democrat and you | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
respect the referendum. Where people stupid? I accepted, I don't respect | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
it. I rejected argument but accept its result. Over the next two years, | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
I will do everything in my power to undermine what Theresa May is doing, | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
everything in my power within the Democratic confines. Why do you | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
think you lost the referendum? Why do you think people voted for | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
Brexit? I have got the passport and the kids of all got is, thank God. | :31:15. | :31:22. | |
But it was an emotional moment and we know that it was the dawn of | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
alternative facts and features news, we know that now. We knew it then. | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
If you look at recent studies over the last few weeks, queer people | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
have a certain sentiment about something and the told something | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
menial to be false. -- certain people. There is a sense that this | :31:42. | :31:50. | |
is better for us, it is not working at all. Where I would agree is that | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
the EU is not functioning. I have been dealing with it with 30 years | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
with regard to Africa and there is a bureaucratic mess. That's not to say | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
the UK does not go in to the heart of this thing. The French are afraid | :32:05. | :32:13. | |
of Germany. My main argument throughout all of this was that one | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
singular reason I would vote to remain, and it goes to this country | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
here, one singular reason is I will never, I will never vote for my | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
children or my grandchildren to go to war. Never. I will never do that. | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
If we are reduced, if Britain is the loose thread on the EU cardigan and | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
we have pulled it with Brexit and the whole thing begins to unravel, | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
stay with me, then we are reduced to economic competing states. When | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
states compete economically and the small guy says that's my field over | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
there and if you don't give it to me, I will get my mate rush out to | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
give it to me. We are back to World War I and we are the most ardent, | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
the most dangerous, the most tribal and wealthy continent ever for 2000 | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
years, we fought each other, the one great triumph of the EU is we have | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
had 70 years of peace and look what the belt. You seriously think Brexit | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
could lead to another war? It could lead to an unravelling of this | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
desperately complex compact. If it does lead to an unravelling, we are | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
already in a brutal world war anyway with proxy. Things like Al-Qaeda and | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
Isis fighting each other. Not so much under the wire any more. You | :33:38. | :33:45. | |
know me, I know you, I bought the artist of people. Stay where I am | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
coming from. 1814 was the Battle of Waterloo, one century had to die and | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
another had to be born because there was new technology. It resulted in | :33:54. | :34:01. | |
an afternoon, a day of Matt Kuchar. The greater the first day of the | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
Somme, get rid of old politics because a new economy is coming. | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
Must we repeat that the 21st-century? No. You are not | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
seriously suggesting... I am. Within our lifetime, a few years our | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
European partners fighting with this country in a war? You are not | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
suggesting that. If you look at Russia and a thug like Vladimir | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
Putin, already illegally invading Crimea and he is starring in the | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
Balkans, big-time, where he currently tried to... That is very | :34:40. | :34:48. | |
First World War. The Balkans are frightened to death. Britain has | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
sent 800 troops out there, Germany has sent 500, they are scared of | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
sending their own troops. We are in one here and the people here talking | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
about the border, please guys, please, please, please let's not go | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
back to that, please. Let's not go back to that nonsense that we have | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
had to put up with here, please. What do you mean? The border. There | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
may be. This is the worst Government. I am serious. You have | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
an odious unprincipled creep, and unfunny clown as Foreign Secretary, | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
he really is awful. A very popular man. He lied his way to try and get | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
into position. He has no principle other than herself. He was a lousy | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
mayor. He is a clown. This is anti-democratic. You are pumping | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
your anger into all of these people and denigrating them as characters. | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
Boris Johnson was one of the most popular politicians. That is what | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
you do on a nightly basis. You get paid for it, I don't. | :35:57. | :36:05. | |
APPLAUSE Johnson is useless. He is not up to | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
the job. He goes off and denigrate leaders to diseases. Hello. You talk | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
about that moment in Brussels. David Davis who I know and spoke far in | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
his constituency when he stood down on the 42 days, he asked me if I | :36:20. | :36:28. | |
would go and he came. I spoke with him, he has never done a negotiation | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
in his life. What is your sense of what's happening here in Northern | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
Ireland? Some people are worried. Our Government has fallen. The two | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
big parties, people would argue, they entrenching now into their core | :36:41. | :36:49. | |
base and he did have the DUP on easily talking before the election | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
about a radical Republican agenda, that Sinn Fein have. And you have | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
Sinn Fein talking about Irish unity and very much appealing to their | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
base. Are you worried about what's happening in Northern Ireland? We | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
have no Government. We have no Government and that is really a | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
shame that it's come down to two views of what this places. -- what | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
this place is. You see it's a radical Republican agenda, I don't | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
want to speak about the politics in this place because an city before | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
the show, it is not pertinent because I don't know enough about | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
it. I am for staying in Europe. It's a mess but you can change it. I saw | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
the representative of the DUP about farmers. The farmers will be killed | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
by this. The young people who voted against it, the future has been | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
taken from them. This is true, Stephen. You don't know. It's an | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
unknown. Of course you know, look at the facts. A deal hasn't been done | :37:55. | :38:02. | |
yet. What you are you talking about? The Theresa May is going to be | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
negotiated. This is nonsense. It is the Crystal Method Government. The | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
are saying it's going to be great. Let me tell you, hope is not a plan. | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
What do people do now? You say you're going to spend every minute | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
you can under many Theresa May. I will be playing with the The | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
Boomtown Rats and he is up there and doesn't care what he says. You did | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
say you're going to try and undermine what Theresa May is doing. | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
What can you do? I have got no power at all but I can only persuade with | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
absolute evidence as opposed to the lies that people vote on. I respect | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
the people who voted for all the reasons they voted but I reject your | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
argument and it is my democratic right, just like you don't like what | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
happened in this election, so you must keep the argument going. Where | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
is the opposition in parliament and Westminster? Where is it? Nicola | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
Sturgeon is the opposition. What happened to the Labour Party? BIP to | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
be Her Majesty Buzz 's official opposition, it isn't clear. May keep | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
seeing the people of Britain, no they didn't. Some couldn't be | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
bothered. 48 million said no and some are too young to vote. The vast | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
majority of people said no or didn't vote at all. This must be fought | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
tooth and nail because it's existential to the future of | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
Britain. You go out and you argue. You go out and you campaign, you | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
walk in the streets, I know it's a drag. And who cares what I see? But | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
it's so important that my kids can have a life. I watched these guys | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
here in the front row nodding and objecting. I don't know how you | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
voted, lads, but my life was we would be queueing overnight on | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
borders with the checked every guitar, every amplifier, sleeping in | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
seats where we try to cross the border. Then the EU happens and we | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
breezed through. When I was trying to go around Europe getting any job | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
I could, I had to go under the wire and get rubbish jobs. Now, you get a | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
Ryanair over to Berlin for a weekend, you go to the club, you | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
like it, you find someone, you go to the flat, you hang out. Maybe stay a | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
week. I'd apply for a job. That's over! The future is closed. Get | :40:27. | :40:33. | |
stuck in at open it up. Where do you get this energy from? From you. | :40:34. | :40:43. | |
APPLAUSE Seriously though. It's not for me to | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
see what you're saying is right or wrong but I love your passion. Do | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
you never actually... I bore people. I really wish I didn't. I told you | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
my whizbang plan, you said that will never work. Here is the plan. If | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
only to a Theresa May, here is the plan. It is the Hibernian | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
federation. You are not going onto the next ten minutes. You have got | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
20 seconds. Everything is up for grabs. You on a rock star and | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
talking about this. We get Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic, | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
the three capsules, three separate entities but they join up in a | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
federation, it back to Earth Scotland into the EU, the except the | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
euro, for the Republic, the keep all the benefits of an additional larger | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
economy, for Northern Ireland to keep the benefits of the EU while | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
expanding their pop -- economy and Theresa May starts worrying. Don't | :41:51. | :41:59. | |
you blame me that we haven't had time to talk about the fact that you | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
are coming to Belfast. You are playing next Friday. For the first | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
time in years. Why and coming back? I love it. I love it here. We all | :42:09. | :42:19. | |
do. We have been here, coming for 40 years. It has always been fantastic | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
playing here, one of the greatest venues. Belfast was always the best | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
venue. Belfast, Glasgow, to play. We are a mega- band, probably the | :42:31. | :42:32. | |
greatest band in the world, as you know. Shut up! And we are coming | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
back to prove the point. I wish I could get away with wearing a suit | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
like that. You won't! Bob, thanks very much. You're going to sing for | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
us later on. Thanks. We will hear from Sir Bob Geldof | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
later on, he's going to sing for us. Right, it's that time of year again, | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
St Patrick's Day, and if you're wondering about the Universities' | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
policy of giving a reading day to students today and tomorrow, | :43:02. | :43:03. | |
it's because they are trying to encourage students to leave | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
the area and avoid a repeat of this. Imagine living in | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
the middle of this. A lot of the students are gathering | :43:10. | :43:35. | |
already tonight to start the party. We sent a camera up | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
to the University area to hear We don't do anything except drinking | :43:39. | :43:53. | |
our own gardens because the union would get involved. -- University. | :43:54. | :44:02. | |
We are getting a hard time and we are not doing any harm. It is not | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
fair to brand all the students with that image. It is unrealistic to | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
what St Patrick's Day is about for all of us. It is about celebrating | :44:12. | :44:23. | |
your heritage. It is not as if everyone who lives here is actively | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
bad. It is that once you are there it is easy to be drawn into the | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
wrong lifestyle. It is a religious day but students think otherwise. | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
But I am in equilibria, I don't mind getting drunk or sitting chilled, it | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
will be a good night. Students work hard all year round and then one day | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
of the year they want to get have a good day. There is letter but it | :44:53. | :45:02. | |
doesn't cost that much to clean up. We get the impression that | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
universities are going to be penalties on us and we are going to | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
get kicked out but it is not as, it is the people who are coming up. I | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
think we have to have respect for everyone in the area. What residents | :45:16. | :45:23. | |
live there now, realistically? There are more students than residents so | :45:24. | :45:34. | |
surely our voice should be louder. What residents realistically live | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
their? What residents want is a quiet night. St Patrick's Day is | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
focused on Saint Patrick at the minute but we have practical every | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
term night of the week there is something going on. People clear off | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
about half past ten, they front-load beforehand. It gets quiet for about | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
three hours until about three o'clock and they come back shouting | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
and running over cars and it isn't fun. We have been talking about | :46:10. | :46:19. | |
this, since about 20 years ago when I was skinny, you have lost the | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
argument. This goes on every year. It doesn't mean it is right. It | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
means you're not going to stop it. The police have offered three times | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
the number of officers over the period coming up to St Patrick's | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
Day. The argument is with the wrong people. This problem was created by | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
property developers funded by the Housing executive. We have created a | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
ghetto for students. If I was 18 years old on Friday morning I'll be | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
down there at ten o'clock with my own bottle of cider cos that is what | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
young people do. But we created a ghetto in which you bring thousands | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
of young people together. It has been ruined. You think what it was | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
30 or 20 years ago, it was the best mixed area in Belfast. It was a | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
beautiful area, I lived there and had friends there, Protestant and | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
Catholic, people at the University, working-class people, it was | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
wonderful. It was destroyed by developers and the whole plan to | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
create an area first and is. It is now a zoo. I don't think it is fair | :47:36. | :47:44. | |
to call it a zoo but also not fair for us to concentrate on saying it | :47:45. | :47:53. | |
is the fault of students. Did you live there? Certainly no. He | :47:54. | :48:04. | |
wouldn't live their? I mean, I moved home from London a few weeks ago. | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
I'm staying on the Mullen wrote. That doesn't help my case at all, | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
does it? Why do we focus on students? Because they're getting | :48:16. | :48:24. | |
drunk. The majority of people who go there on St Patrick's Day are | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
actually just young people who are not students but they know that is | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
where you have to go. In fact, students face a lot of consequences | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
and penalties from universities which is more of a disincentive. You | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
remember freshers week. If you go on the first week outside Queens, | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
people are giving out drinks vouchers, the entire bar culture of | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
self Belfast is constructive and students in the first thing you get | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
when you arrive in Belfast as a student is not your books or grant, | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
it is a drinks voucher. And the students bring their friends, their | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
younger siblings, people come into the area. It is because the students | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
that they are attracted all. They're coming for a big party. It is not | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
the way to behave nowadays. There is no respect shown to people who have | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
lived there. You're not the enemy here but you represent the students. | :49:29. | :49:36. | |
Do you think they care? I am neither a student nor a representative of | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
them so I would encourage any students in the audience to speak up | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
for themselves. I think a great deal of them do care. Think about the | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
people who do cause upset, and I am not defending them at all, people | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
who break the law are subject to the law. No, they're not. They ought to | :49:54. | :50:04. | |
be. The you're not allowed to walk openly with open cans of beer or | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
whatever, and they do it and get away with it. I would never condone | :50:11. | :50:19. | |
anti-social behaviour but the problem is more holistic. All year | :50:20. | :50:26. | |
round you have absentee landlords, rundown areas, housing that needs | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
investment in regeneration. Rundown housing doesn't prompt them to get | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
drunk on St Patrick's Day. If they took an interest around the whole | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
year where there is a lot of reinvestment to be done then maybe | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
the problem would be solved. Your demonising students yet we are one | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
of the main economic contributors around that area. What, with buying | :50:49. | :50:56. | |
drink? We rent out the houses and we're shopping and creating an | :50:57. | :51:03. | |
economic injection into the economy. I think the mistake was destroying a | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
beautiful area by putting students there. Property developers made big | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
money out of it and the Housing executive put money to fund them to | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
redevelop and you have created... I would break it up. Try to get some | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
accommodation for students outside of the area. Distribute it so they | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
are not bundled together in mass numbers. Separate them and restore | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
it to what it was, a lovely housing area. Is one day of partying that | :51:34. | :51:41. | |
bad? It is constant. You're talking about people not being prosecuted, | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
in one year less than ten people were prosecuted for drinking and if | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
you walk down on St Patrick's Day you'll see about 1000 and the worst | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
that has happened is able get their bottle taken off them. Should the | :51:58. | :52:05. | |
PSNI not just do their job and sorted out? Make sure they are there | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
whenever the students go home, stop the riotous behaviour? It would be | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
difficult for the police to remove alcohol from hundreds. They could. | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
We pay hundreds of pounds assistance to live there but the way that Irish | :52:24. | :52:34. | |
firms act during the Euros, they get rewarded for acting the same way we | :52:35. | :52:42. | |
act on St Patrick's Day. -- fans. Is it fair enough? The students take up | :52:43. | :52:51. | |
90% of the place and have fun on one day of the year and yet the Northern | :52:52. | :53:00. | |
Ireland and Republic of Ireland fans can be celebrated for doing the same | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
sort of thing but then all the media outlets slate us. You talk about | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
getting the students out but it is one of the closest places to Queens. | :53:11. | :53:20. | |
There is housing all over all fast. South Belfast is much bigger, so | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
spread them about. The concentration and then you bring drinking and big | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
festivals and you have mayhem. It is not just one day of the year. People | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
living there are putting up with ghastly noise from neighbours all | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
the time. That was a good area, lovely area, it could be a lovely | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
area again. I wish we had more time to talk about this but tonight I'm | :53:42. | :53:48. | |
afraid we don't. You are a starstruck! I like the man. | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
Right, I promised you the Boomtown Rats. | :53:55. | :53:55. | |
Here they are with one of their biggest hits - Rat Trap. | :53:56. | :54:27. | |
# There was a lot of rocking going on that night. | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
# Cruising time for the young bright lights. | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
# Just down past the gasworks, by the meat factory door. | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
# The five lamp boys were coming on strong. | :54:38. | :54:40. | |
# The Saturday night city beat had already started. | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
# The pulse of the corner boys sprang into action. | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
# And young Billy watched it all under the yellow street light. | :54:48. | :54:50. | |
# And said, "Tonight of all nights there's gonna be a fight". | :54:51. | :55:01. | |
# Billy don't like it living here in this town. | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
# He says the traps have been sprung long before he was born. | :55:05. | :55:07. | |
# He says hope bites the dust behind all the closed doors. | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
# And pus and grime ooze from its scab crusted sores. | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
# There's screaming and crying in the high rise blocks. | :55:13. | :55:15. | |
# It's a rat trap, Billy, but you're already caught. | :55:16. | :55:17. | |
# But you can make it if you want to or you need it bad enough. | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
# You're young and good looking and you're acting kind of tough. | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
# Anyway it's Saturday night, time to see what's going down. | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
# Put on the bright suit, Billy, head for the right side of town. | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
# It's only eight o'clock but you're already bored. | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
# You don't know what it is but there's got to be more. | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
# You'd better find a way out, hey, kick down that door. | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
# It's a rat trap and you've been caught. | :55:41. | :55:51. | |
# In this town Billy says everybody tries to tell you what to do. | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
# In this town Billy says everybody says you gotta follow rules. | :55:55. | :56:04. | |
# You walk up to those traffic lights. | :56:05. | :56:06. | |
# You push in that button, and when that button comes alight. | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
# Take a walk with me. take a walk, take a walk. | :56:11. | :57:04. | |
# Little Judy's trying to watch Top Of The Pops. | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
# But Mum and Dad are fighting, don't they ever stop? | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
# She take down her coat and walks down to the street. | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
# It's cold on that road, but it's got that home beat. | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
# Deep down in her pocket, she finds 50p. | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
# Now is that any way for a young girl to be? | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
# "I'm gonna get out of school, work in some factory. | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
# "Work all the hours God gave me, get myself a little easy money". | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
# Her mind's made up, she walks down the road. | :57:32. | :57:40. | |
# Her hands in her pockets, coat buttoned 'gainst the cold. | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
# She finally finds Billy down at the Italian cafe. | :57:45. | :57:47. | |
# When he's drunk it's hard to understand what Billy says. | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
# But then he mumbles in his coffee and suddenly roars. | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
# "It's a rat trap, Judy, and we've been caught!" | :57:55. | :58:00. |