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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu have just held a press conference

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at the White House - and both have acknowledged

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that the two state solution may not be the only route to peace.

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I've thought for a while the two State looks like it may be the

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easier of the two, but honestly, if the Palestinians, Israel and the

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Palestinians are happy, I'm like the one they like the best. -- I'm happy

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with the one they like the best. We'll be live in Washington

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to talk about that. And to report on the continuing

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fall-out of over. Mchael Flynn's resignation

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as National Security adviser. There's are renewed calls

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for an investigation into possible connections between Mr Trump's

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team and Russia. For his part the President

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has launched a scathing In Malaysia, a woman's been arrested

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in connection with the killing We've a report from

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the scene of the murder. Police say that he was accosted by

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at least one woman who covered his face with a cloth. If your head is

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spinning from all the developments with the Tramp administration, we go

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live to Washington in both halves of the programme. If you have questions

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about what's happening I'm pretty sure one or both of them will be

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able to answer. For many years America has supported

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a two state solution in the Middle East. Today that changed. I thought

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for a while the two state looks like it may be the easy of the two, but

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honestly, if Bibi and the Palestinians, Israel and the

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Palestinians are happy, I'm happy with the one they like the best, as

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far as the embassy moving to Jerusalem, I'd love to see that

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happen. We're looking at it very, very strongly, we're looking at it

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with great care believe me. And we'll see what happens, OK? There

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are two prerequisites for peace that I laid out to you several years ago.

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And they haven't changed. First, the Palestinians must recognise the

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Jewish state. They have to stop calling for Israel's destruction.

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They have to stop educating their people for Israel's destruction.

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Second in any peace deal, Israel must retain the overriding security

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control over the entire area west of the Jordan river because if we don't

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we know what will happen. Because otherwise we'll get another radical

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Islamic terrorist state in the Palestinian areas exploding the

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peace, exploding the Middle East. Anthony, it was unlike anything we

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saw between President Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu. How did you read

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this? That's exactly it, no secret Benjamin Netanyahu and Barack Obama

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didn't get along, they didn't work well together, I recall a few years

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ago Netanyahu having an address to the US Congress without Obama

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meeting with him. They disagreed on Middle East peace efforts, Barack

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Obama obviously pushed a two state solution, a principal part of their

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negotiations. Many in the Obama Administration felt Netanyahu and

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the Israeli government was not cooperating and working in earnest

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to try to reach an agreement. This is an entirely different sort of

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relationship. You heard them both almost speaking from the same script

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talking about radical Islamic terrorism and how they needed a

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common front to defeat it, something you never would have heard out of

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Barack Obama's mouth. Both men gave statements then invited questions.

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He is one detail you may be interested in. Mr Trump has called

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on only Conservative outlets in his last three joint press conferences.

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There is a radio station called town hall which is conservative. We had

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from the Christian broadcasting network. There was one question

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asking whether Mr Trump and his Administration is playing with

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anti-Semitic and racist tones? Here is the answer of the president. As

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far as people, Jewish people, so many friends. A daughter who happens

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to be here right now. A son-in-law. And three beautiful grandchildren. I

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think that you are going to see a lots different United States of

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America over the next 3-4, or eight years. I think a lot of good things

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are happening. You are going to see a lots of love, you're going to see

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a lot of love. I've known the president and I've know his family

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and his name for a long time. And there is no greater supporter of the

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Jewish people and the Jewish state than President Donald Trump. I think

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we should put that to rest. A couple of things to pick up on the issue of

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unifying the nation which Mr Trump said he was going to do with a lot

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of love, bear in mind just today he has attacked or criticised CNN,

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Hillary Clinton, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the so-called

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fake media in general, the FBI and the National Security agency. On

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this issue of anti-Semitism, let's bring company backing from

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Washington. This repeatedly comes up but do we have any evidence there

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has been a rise in anti-Semitic activity, and that we can connect it

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in to Mr Trump? I think people point out things like a series of bomb

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threats made against Jewish community centres here in the US.

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Incidents of people painting swastikas on various public

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buildings. It's all anecdotal. I think when people get upset, when

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critics go after Donald Trump for connections to anti-Semitism, they

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look at some of the supporters from the ultra-right, white nationalists,

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who have been very ardent Donald Trump backers, particularly online,

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using anti-Semitic language to Jewish journalists. You also see

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Donald Trump's rhetoric. He retweeted an image of a star of

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David on a background of dollar bills to attack Hillary Clinton

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answered Hillary Clinton was in with an international cabal of bankers.

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The kind of language people say, the anti-defamation league would say,

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was used in Nazi Germany. This global conspiracy of Jewish bankers.

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Thank you for the moment, we appreciate it. We can speak to any

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of our colleagues working on the most important stories of the day.

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Earlier I asked Jeremy Bowen to come by, the BBC Middle East editor. He

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was watching the press conference, too. This is what he made of it.

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What Mr Netanyahu has been written forward to... He had a number of

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visits to Washington during the Obama years and they were always

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frosty, the men never got on. No doubt personal issues, but also

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because of policy things. President Obama never approved of Mr

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Netanyahu's policies of encouraging settlement growth and a hard line

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towards the Palestinians. Mr Trump did say, you might have to ease back

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on the settlements of it. I don't think Mr Netanyahu or the Israeli

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right will enjoy hearing that, because initially they thought they

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would get a blank cheque from President Trump. In the first days

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after his inauguration, the authorised, with the Netanyahu, six

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and a half thousand units in the occupied territories. And the first

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all-new settlement in a generation. Even the White House said to him,

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calm down a bit, and that is what Trump was saying today. What they

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were both hinting that was some kind of wider agreement involving Arab

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countries. Who share their suspicions of Iran. That was the

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other big theme in the news conference. On the moors Israel and

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Palestinians, the other was Iran. Mr Trump said it could be a two state

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solution, but might be one state, which has left a few viewers

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thinking what does a one state solution look like? The two state

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solution is an independent Palestine alongside Israel, self-determination

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independent of the Palestinians, peace down that path. It's very

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fashionable on the Israeli right, the part of politics Netanyahu

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belongs to in Israel, to say the idea is played out. There should be

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new thinking. The thing about a one state solution, between the River

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Jordan and Mediterranean, one state containing Israel and its Arab

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population, 20% of the total, and all the Palestinians. If you did all

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of that, the problem from Israel's point of view is there would be a

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majority of Arabs over Israeli dues. If not the second in a generation

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certainly. It's something they would like because if they gave the vote

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to all those Palestinians they take control of government. The

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alternative to that would be one state where all the adults don't

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have equal rights, and that of course equals apartheid. Another

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important element of the story of the Trump administration, Donald

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Trump it Twitter pretty hard earlier, sending a number of tweets.

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The present of America comparing his own intelligence operations with

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Russia unfavourably. He also compared them with Nazi Germany,

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let's hope they have thick skin. The Washington Post got mentioned

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because it was its reporting central to the pressure that led to the

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resignation of Mr Trump's National Security adviser Michael Flynn who

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we talked about a lot. The president isn't at all happy with what's

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happened to general Flynn. Michael Flynn, general Flynn, is a wonderful

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man. He's been treated very very unfairly by the media. As I call it,

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the fake media, in many cases. And I think it's really a sad thing that

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he was treated so badly. I think, in addition to that, from

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intelligence... Papers are being leaked, things are being leaked...

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Its criminal action, criminal act. And it's been going on for a long

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time. Before me. But now it's really going on. Bear in mind Mr Trump's

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own press secretary told us the president had asked for general

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Flynn's resignation and had done so because of an erosion of trust

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between the president and general Flynn. That was yesterday, now today

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the president is blaming the fake media for something his press

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secretary says he chose to do. Donald Trump is also upset with the

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New York Times, partly because of this story, headlined Trump campaign

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aides had repeated contacts with Russian intelligence. Moscow has

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been quick to say there is a truth in the story. Mr Trump two to

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Twitter to say, this Russian connection nonsense is an attempted

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cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign. I

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can think of a view things that motivated the press in the story.

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Let's bring in the BBC's Anthony Zucker. It's getting close up and

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passionate, where have we got to with this? I think the heat is

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definitely turning up in the White House. They are giving mixed

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messages. Sean Spicer said yesterday the reason Donald Trump didn't want

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Flynn around was that he lost confidence in him. Today we saw him

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praising general Flynn. At the heart of this, as you alluded to, possible

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ties between Donald Trump, people around Donald Trump, and the Russian

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government. And so when you had general Flynn kind of downplaying

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the conversation at the end of December, saying they didn't talk

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about sanctions, he could have said, we talked about a whole bunch of

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issues. Because there was a spotlight on Trump and his people's

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relationship with Russia, going all the way back to early in the

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campaign, it gives this area of them trying to make sure people don't

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focus a spotlight on that again, that they don't reenergise these

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enquiries about what's going on with the Donald Trump's connections to

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Russia. The cat Donald Trump and what he has said over the past year

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or two about Russia, praising Vladimir Putin, saying he is a

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stronger leader than Barack Obama. There are a lot of data points here,

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now you'll hear more and more Democrats in particular, some

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Republicans in Congress, saying they need to look into this to find out

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exactly what's going on. A lot of smoke. What the reality is, the

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reality of those connections, is going to be something I think the

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administration will have to deal with. Even now Flynn has been shown

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the door. Another twist to talk about, let's bring up some of the

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news wires coming in through the outside source screen. This is from

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the Reuters news agency telling us Andrew Puzder formally withdraws his

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nomination as Labour department secretary. Talk us through this, how

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significant is that? Donald Trump is going to lose someone he wanted to

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put in the Cabinet. A pretty big blow to an administration. It's not

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unheard of. Past presidents, Barack Obama and George W Bush included,

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have had to withdraw nominees they put up for Cabinet spots. None of

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them were in the sort of defensive pouch the Trump administration has

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been in. He was strongly opposed to buy democratic labour forces,

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Pusder, because he was against raising the minimum wage. He made

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questionable comments about minorities immigrants and women in

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the workplace. There were reports he failed to pay taxes on somebody

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employed. A tape showed up of his ex-wife making allegations of

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spousal abuse during divorce proceedings. There was a lot going

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on with Andrew Puzder and Republicans in Congress were backing

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away thinking it wasn't a fight they wanted to have. The Trump

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administration eventually concurred the last thing they need is a

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bruising confirmation for somebody like a Labor Secretary that's not

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essential to his vision, his agenda going forward. There is supposed to

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be a hearing tomorrow so that pushed the issue. They didn't want to go

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through the hearing with all the allegations floating around. We have

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a nominee for the Cabinet withdrawing, Donald Trump leaving

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behind years of US policy saying he's open to a one state solution

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with regards to the Middle East peace process. Ongoing allegations

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there was contact between Donald Trump's campaign during the

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presidential campaign and Russia. With regards to that specific New

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York Times story, Donald Trump has repeatedly dismissed it. We have a

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quote from the Kremlin spokesperson saying...

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The Russian media is also unimpressed with the circumstances

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around the resignation of Mr Trump's national security adviser who we've

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just been discussing. The BBC's correspondent Steve Rosenberg has

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been looking at the Russian papers. Here's his review of them.

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The first loss in Trump's team, that is the headline in the Russian

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government paper, which declares opponents of the US president are

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using Flynn's resignation for a new wave of hysteria against Russia. The

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paper goes on to say the sudden and scandalous resignation of a key

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adviser cast a shadow on the president himself and without doubt

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will be used by his opponents to crank up anti-Russian hysteria for

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an internal political battle. Today's paper blames US intelligence

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saying according to one version of events the contents of Michaelson's

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conversation with the Russian ambassador were leaked by US

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intelligence. They are not shy of listening telephone conversations of

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White House staff and Russian diplomats in USA, they say. Another

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paper describes Michael Flynn's downfall in these terms. Trump has

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had his right hand cut off. The writer goes on to say that an

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unambiguous signal has been sent to all former, current and future

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American officials that attempts to fix relations with Russia are fatal

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for your career. Inside he goes say this... The resignation of a major

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foreign policy official for doing his duties, for talking to the

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Russian ambassador, is something in the style of Stalin. He concludes

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with this, if Flynn, before taking office, had held negotiations with

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the British, Japanese, even Chinese ambassadors, it probably wouldn't

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have led to a scandal. Steve Rosenberg. After those

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he has those round-ups all the time on his Twitter account. Donald

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Trump's presidency is throwing up a lot of unprecedented situations.

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Katty Kay will be live with us from Washington in 15 minutes. If you

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have questions for her, you can find us on social media.

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The ruling body of the Church of England rulings in one has voted

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against a report on the issue of same-sex marriage. The report from

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senior bishops called on the church to welcome and support gay people

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but concluded marriage in church should only be between a man and a

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woman. While religious affairs correspondent Martin Bashir has

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more. They said married in church should

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remain a lifelong union between a man and a woman. That was turned

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over by the house of clergy, who decided that was insufficiently

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inclusive. I'm Ros Atkins with Outside Source.

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The lead story is Israel's Prime Minister has met Donald Trump at the

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White House. At a joint press conference

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the President made it clear that the two state solution may not

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be the only route to peace. BBC Mundo reports that

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Venezuela's President, Nicolas Maduro, has demanded the US

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apologise and withdraw sanctions The US accuses Tareck El Aissami

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of drugs trafficking - for his part the Vice Present says

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the claims are The United Nations has warned

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of a serious escalation An official said that since January

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the distance between government and rebel forces has narrowed

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to a few hundred metres, and that in some places

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they are almost face to face. That is from BBC Ukrainian. Here is

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another element of how Donald Trump's Administration is impacting

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on America and the rest of the world. Let's look at America's

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position in Nato. In the past Mr Trump has called it obsolete. He's

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also said a lot of these countries are paying what they are supposed to

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be. -- are not paying. He has also said, Nato is very important to me.

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Difficult to work out his precise position. This is Mr Trump's gripe.

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The huge area marked in blue represents the proportion of Nato's

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budget that the US picks up. Despite the fact it picks up more than any

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other country, some Nato members are not meeting their agreed commitments

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to the budget. The new US Defence Secretary James Mattis has had his

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first meeting with Nato defence ministers in Brussels. He picked up

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on just the issues the president has been mentioning. It's absolutely

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appropriate as a European minister of defence said last week, it's a

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fair demand that all who benefit from the best defence in the world

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carry their proportionate share of the necessary cost to defend freedom

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and we should never forget that ultimately it is freedom that we

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defend here at Nato. We understand a behind closed doors meeting

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secretary Matias said... I.e., show us the money. The BBC's

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Jonathan Marcus is at Nato in Brussels. I asked for his assessment

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of how it has gone. A very interesting day here at Nato.

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General matters is a Nato old-timer, former military commander in the

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alliance. He described the building behind me as his second home. He's

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been around these corridors for years, he's heard all the efforts by

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previous US Defence Secretary is to get Nato's European allies to spend

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more. He's heard all the excuses, the commitments made and broken. And

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now the Trump administration is in office, he wants things to change.

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He made it clear it's not going to be business as usual. He gave

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assurance the Trump administration is foursquare behind Nato. It is a

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contingent, conditional commitment to Nato. It rests upon Nato's

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European allies reaching deeper into their pockets to pay for a greater

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share of their own defence. Given those European allies have made

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commitments, what is their defence for not meeting them? They don't

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have much of a defence, this is the problem. A few years ago at a summit

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in Wales, Nato countries agreed they would spend 2% of their gross

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domestic product, the GDP, on defence. Only five countries

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including the United States met that commitment. But everybody entered

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into willingly. It was a consensus otherwise it would have not been

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passed. You can understand the American frustration. The mamma

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administration was just as frustrated as the Trump

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administration is. -- the Obama Administration was just as

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frustrated. The Trump administration clearly intends to make Nato's

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European allies pay more of their fair share. Time for outside source

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business concentrating on Greece. This man on the right is the EU

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Finance commissioner who has been in Athens meeting the Greek Prime

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Minister. The Greek economy is still in deep trouble. It matters because

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there are economic and political consequences for Europe, in

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particular those countries which use the euro, if it were to default on

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its debt. Chris received a bailout worth 86 billion euros in 2015. The

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next debt payment some 7 billion euros is due in July. The Greeks

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can't afford to pay unless it accesses more funds from the

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bailout. It's not going to happen unless Greece's creditors including

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the IMF and EU, get more austerity reforms in return. The argument of

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the Greek Prime Minister is it is reasonable. The Greek economy hasn't

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grown very much and his people have been through enough. These results

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are due to the crisis of the Greek people. Everybody has to recognise

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the figures and to respect the sacrifices of the Greek people. So

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the message is enough with austerity in Greece. It could be destructive

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to discuss it even for one year or more, the basis of these results.

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We're going to take a brief break before coming back for the second

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half. Less than four beats into Donald Trump's presidency and my

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goodness there has been an awful lot to discuss. We've got Katty Kay with

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us for a good ten or 15 minutes after the break, any questions you

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got with what's happening in Washington and how it impacts on

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everyone around the world, let me know.

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We're going to take a look at what's going on with the weather around the

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world. First we're off to Africa. Out in the Mozambique Channel over

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the last few days we've been watching this storm system

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