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Welcome to the Sunday politics. Has a government commission on a | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
British Coal operates at been erected by the Justice Secretary? | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
The explosive allegation of a member of the Commission on the | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
verge of resigning his post this morning. And as the Government's | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
welfare reforms become or will the changes really transform Britain? | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
The Work and Pensions Secretary joins us. All that, and Danny | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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The First Minister Alex Salmond joins us on the second day of the | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
party's spring conference. And what really makes kids happy? How | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
materialistic have our children become? UNICEF is putting parents | :01:32. | :01:42. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1667 seconds | :01:42. | :29:29. | |
Peak weekend say that when Universal Credit concern everybody | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
all it will be better than it -- better off than they wear on | :29:33. | :29:40. | |
benefits. Supposing Act Institute comes to | :29:40. | :29:47. | |
see you for advice. He is offered a promotion which would take him over | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
the higher rate of threshold and as a result would lose child benefit. | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
How do you advise, take the job or not? | :29:57. | :30:06. | |
Always. Even if you lose �1,700? | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
You are always better off if you take a job that improves your | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
options. The interplay with child benefit is a simple fact of life. | :30:15. | :30:22. | |
You are dealing with the way it is about to be set by the Budget. It | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
will be withdrawn from people on higher income. That is a reality | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
for those people. But the Government does not have a huge | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
amount of money and we need to pay off our deficit. So there is only | :30:35. | :30:45. | |
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Can I ask you for a brief reaction to the idea of a UK Bill of Rights, | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
the claims that there is no need for the commission, what do you | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
say? These meetings are not in the | :30:56. | :31:03. | |
public domain and I do not know what was on by closed doors. All I | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
can say is that my Permanent Secretary is to a pet -- fair and | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
decent man, someone who has given a lot of his life to public service, | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
in my experience he was straight and had no attempt -- made no | :31:20. | :31:30. | |
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attack took -- made no attempt to It is just after 11:30am. You are | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
watching the Sunday politics. Welcome to the Scottish edition. | :31:41. | :31:49. | |
Coming up: the SNP faithful queue at a conference to here that home- | :31:49. | :31:56. | |
rule is better than Conservative rule. Alex Salmond is with us live. | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
And a politician who did most to expose the phone hacking scandal | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
says that Alex Salmond should distance himself from Rupert | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
Murdoch. He is the only Western leader that | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
Rupert Murdoch seems to be cosying up to. It is not in the interests | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
of the Scottish people. Minimum pricing for alcohol is back | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
on the legislative agenda, this time with backing from the | :32:22. | :32:29. | |
Conservatives. And what makes hour family is | :32:29. | :32:38. | |
happy? The latest video games, or more time with the family? | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Alex Salmond has warned Scots they face a clear choice in the | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
forthcoming referendum - independence or Conservative rule | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
from Westminster. I will be talking to the First Minister in a few | :32:51. | :33:01. | |
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minutes. What a difference be here makes. Last year's spring | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
conference saw the SNP behind in the polls and potential losers. 12 | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
months on they have a majority government and are pursuing a | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
independence referendum. This conference is a very busy indeed. | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
They have been queuing for two hours to get in and see Alex | :33:20. | :33:26. | |
Salmond. They are looking to hear a vision on how the First Minister | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
can deliver the party its historic aim, independence. | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
I have been in favour of independence ever since I was a | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
small child. I do not want to see any more of the Conservatives. | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
Accentuating the positive aspects of independence, reassuring the | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
electorate of the economic argument. The message was simple and familiar | :33:52. | :33:59. | |
when it came. Independence could, London, Westminster, the | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
Conservatives, bad. The Prime Minister tried to dictate | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
the terms but I have a message - the days of politicians and London | :34:11. | :34:18. | |
telling Scotland what to do and think, they are over. | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
This was a clear attempt to detoxify the pro-union brand. | :34:24. | :34:34. | |
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Little wonder the referendum date is six months... It was almost as | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
if the Scottish Parliament and its powers did not exist but then he | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
came to the more subtle side of the argument. Look at our record any | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
areas of crime and health. A we're showing our friends in | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
England that there is an alternative. Let me be clear, | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
because of the independence we have over the health service in Scotland | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
this Government will ensue if that Scotland's National Health Service | :35:06. | :35:15. | |
is never for sale. As a measure of independence on health, education, | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
law and order, we have made Scotland a better place. Think what | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
we could do with Scottish control of the economy, of international | :35:25. | :35:32. | |
representation, and of security. Apart from the issue of | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
independence this was a very Labour speech - that was not much that | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
traditional Labour voters would disagree with. Why did he focus on | :35:42. | :35:52. | |
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such traditional Labour values? I wonder. This is the SNP's newest | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
member. The party's popularity has never been greater but Mr Salmond | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
will be to continue recruiting even more to his cause. Labour voters | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
appear to be in his sights. Good morning, First Minister. You are | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
getting very good reviews. Have you read them? | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
Politicians only read reviews and they are good ones, so obviously | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
the answer is yes. You said that the days of | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
politicians in London telling Scotland what to do and think are | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
over, but if we keep the pound, post-independence, actually will be | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
a monetary policy of the Bank of England telling us what to do. | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
In monetary policy, but not fiscal policy. I made a speech in the | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
London School of Economics with I outlined six areas of fiscal policy, | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
taxation policy, that will make a very substantial difference within | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
the context of a Stirling zone. So my argument would be within the | :36:59. | :37:09. | |
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context of that Swan -- sterling zone, which have a very powerful | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
impact. For example, air passenger duty, that would provide a boost to | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
tourism. That is an example of something we could do while still | :37:26. | :37:32. | |
having control of key areas of fiscal economy. -- fiscal policy. | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
But given what is going on in you that nobody would argue that you | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
can disentangle monetary policy from fiscal policy. If the Bank of | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
England was their lender of last resort it will not agree to a | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
fiscal policy it thinks is irresponsible. Other economists say | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
that because of keeping the pound there will be little room for | :37:54. | :38:04. | |
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manoeuvre. Do you accept that? I do not. That's why I made a | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
speech. But I think there is a fundamental | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
difference incidentally between a stare lingers on in Scotland and | :38:12. | :38:22. | |
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England. -- sterling zone. This is totally different to the Euro zone. | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
Certainly any quarter Asian and the stability pact but you would still | :38:30. | :38:40. | |
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be able to have to eat terminations. -- certainly you need co-operation. | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
But in terms of the march and you have been talking about not | :38:52. | :39:00. | |
exceeding 3% of GDP. -- margin. We know that George Osborne has a | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
tight fiscal regime. You want to loosen the fiscal regime. So there | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
is obviously a contradiction - when you say there is as packed I am | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
trying to work out whose priorities would be most persuasive? | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
I take the example of 3% of GDP and borrowing over the long term. That | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
is an essential discipline any country needs at any time. But take | :39:28. | :39:35. | |
last year. Figures recently published show a �2.6 billion | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
surplus relative to the UK figures. That is �510 for every man, woman | :39:41. | :39:49. | |
and child in Scotland. But if we bought the same as the UK we would | :39:49. | :39:57. | |
be �510 per person better off. -- If we borrowed the same. You | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
certainly could have made life in Scotland substantially better for | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
its people by marrying Scotland's resources to the talent and ability | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
of its people. So people ruse that fiscal policy does not make a | :40:13. | :40:20. | |
difference belie the reality. -- people that say. | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
But you agree there would need to be a stability pact and a pact on | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
the borrowing? Within their monitory zone, yes. | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
But as I have set out and substantial detail, the fiscal | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
independence with in that position would allow you to boost to growth | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
in the Scottish economy. That is real independence in the modern | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
world. Control of resources, taxation, the ability to make you | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
economy more competitive and society more fair. | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
But only to the point that your lender of last resort agrees with | :40:59. | :41:04. | |
the fiscal policy. Are you arguing that the Bank of England will | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
bankroll a fiscal policy it thinks is irresponsible? | :41:08. | :41:18. | |
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That is not what it does. If it is lender of last resort... | :41:18. | :41:25. | |
That is determined by your Treasury. It is the same in England. Monetary | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
policy, not fiscal policy. The Bank of England is independent from the | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer and never mind any Scottish minister. | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
So does to people say we would give up control of monetary policy | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
conveniently forget that Gordon Brown already did so in 1997. We | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
would be no different position relative to the Bank of England | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
than the UK Chancellor is at the moment. There is a difference | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
between the monetary policy framework and the fiscal policy - | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
control taxation. All I am suggesting, First | :42:01. | :42:08. | |
Minister... It is not just that. | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
But there will have to be some sort of pact. You cannot just run a | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
fiscal policy that is out of step with what the lender of last resort | :42:17. | :42:23. | |
Pinks is OK to secure its credit ratings and his interest. | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
But the Bank of England does not determine fiscal policy. You would | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
have a fiscal stability pact because you do these things anyway. | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
People cent over the long term of GDP is no more than any prudent | :42:36. | :42:44. | |
country anywhere would have any way. -- 3%. I am saying that control of | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
taxation and spending is absolutely critical to boosting the Scottish | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
economy, increasing our competitive position, and building a fair | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
society. Your comments then, control over | :43:00. | :43:08. | |
our own finances would be by his �2.6 billion better off, �510 per | :43:08. | :43:18. | |
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man, women, and child. -- the fiscal balance is �33.5 billion in | :43:24. | :43:33. | |
the red. Those saving, known vesting, just slightly less debt. | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
You are wrong about that. What matters is what our position would | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
have been if we borrowed the same as the United Kingdom. The figures | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
show that we're too �0.6 billion better off. In other words we could | :43:47. | :43:57. | |
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have borrowed or invested that. -- �2.6 billion. It is the comparison | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
between your relative standing with the United Kingdom. If we borrowed | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
and spent at the same level we would have been that much better | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
off. As you rightly say, �510 per man, woman, and child. That gives | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
you the choice to Bordeaux, save more, or invest in the future. -- | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
Bordeaux. Scotland is indisputably in a better position than the | :44:25. | :44:35. | |
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United Kingdom at the moment. -- borrow. | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
When will we be in a position to save money from North Sea oil | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
revenues? Norway started and or oil fund | :44:46. | :44:53. | |
whilst it was running a fiscal deficit. All the sleet you do it | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
when fiscal circumstances allow -- obviously. But during the last five | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
years we would have been �8 billion better off if we had been running | :45:03. | :45:13. | |
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our own finances. -- 8,000 billion. Comparing our position, we with the | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
United Kingdom. I know it is inconvenient for our opponents but | :45:18. | :45:28. | |
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these official figures have These figures show subsidy has been | :45:31. | :45:40. | |
flowing from England -- Scotland to England. You set 25,000 | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
apprenticeships every year and each linked to a new job. That is the | :45:47. | :45:57. | |
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important point, a Modern apprenticeship is up employed. The | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
completion rate is extremely high. Give a have a job at the end of it? | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
The majority goes into employment. This is a great strength of this | :46:09. | :46:17. | |
system. The job retention rate is extremely high. We what percentage | :46:17. | :46:27. | |
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get a permanent job? The completion rate as up into the 70 %. I can | :46:28. | :46:35. | |
check the figures, but the key thing is when someone gets a trade, | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
they are able to be employed. The challenge we have is that people | :46:41. | :46:49. | |
have not the opportunity to get a trade. Some initiatives are driving | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
at how we can help people in that category. There's a statutory | :46:56. | :47:05. | |
guarantee of nursery care next year. Can you guarantee that for rural | :47:05. | :47:14. | |
areas? We put it into statute next year. It will be a statutory | :47:14. | :47:21. | |
guarantee so will apply all over Scotland. Every family will be | :47:21. | :47:27. | |
entitled to 600 and day towers of nursery care as an allowance. It is | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
a huge social advance, liberating many young parents into the | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
workplace. Eating guaranteed whenever the Louth they will be | :47:37. | :47:45. | |
able to access that? Yes. constitutional issues, we speculate | :47:45. | :47:53. | |
on the scenario that after a referendum, people say yes. Do you | :47:53. | :48:00. | |
stand MPs for all Westminster at the next election in 2015? We will | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
stand MPs as long as Scotland is government by the Westminster | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
Parliament. If Scotland becomes independent, there would be no | :48:10. | :48:20. | |
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Scottish MPs and the House of Commons. How long can that take? | :48:20. | :48:27. | |
The target date is the next Scottish parliamentary elections in | :48:27. | :48:35. | |
four years time. The think the legislative framework can be worked | :48:35. | :48:45. | |
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out in four years time? Yes, I do. This law Mac dissolution take | :48:47. | :48:57. | |
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approximately that timescale. look at the 2016 Holyrood election, | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
if you have not come back to the people with another way of testing | :49:07. | :49:17. | |
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opinion to say this is the deal, when you get to 2016, what if the | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
auteurs used that as a red -- as a referendum, what have they don't | :49:24. | :49:31. | |
like it and there is not a majority SNP government? And the | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
circumstances of the people they believe in independence getting a | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
referendum, it is reasonable that independence supporters would be in | :49:41. | :49:50. | |
a strong position. Last time we were in this position, if I | :49:50. | :49:58. | |
remember correctly, you said, you are behind in the polls, two months | :49:58. | :50:05. | |
later, we had the support of the Scottish people. Her track record | :50:05. | :50:14. | |
is impressive. I think I may have been misquoted. You must have stood | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
alone in the Scottish press. anally, at the comments of Tom | :50:19. | :50:26. | |
Watson, he says your relationship with Rupert Murdoch could be | :50:26. | :50:33. | |
damaging. Tom Watson is the best chairman of the Labour Party. They | :50:33. | :50:43. | |
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are hypocritical about this matter. Today's English The Sun On Sunday, | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
there was a court of... But how would you describe your | :50:48. | :50:58. | |
relationship? There is a huge professional -- commercial fit | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
print in Scotland. I have not changed my mind on these matters. I | :51:04. | :51:13. | |
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have supported the inquiries. I have never understood why these | :51:18. | :51:28. | |
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matters have never been a investigated. You met Rupert | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
Murdoch in Edinburgh in February. The day before that, Leveson | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
inquiry discovered shocking revelations. One woman said the | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
paper had tried to police -- intimidate police officers. The | :51:45. | :51:53. | |
next day, you met Rupert Murdoch. Why shouldn't that meeting have | :51:53. | :51:59. | |
been taking by someone on your team? I supported the police | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
inquiries. I supported the Leveson inquiry I have done that north and | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
south of the border. As for the meeting, I released publicly the | :52:11. | :52:20. | |
meeting had taken place. It was all above board. I did it from the | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
consistent position that I put forward. I recognise that companies | :52:25. | :52:32. | |
have major footprints in Scotland. News International have said they | :52:32. | :52:39. | |
will change their ways, but it was OK for them to meet News | :52:39. | :52:46. | |
International while we're on their malpractice. The Labour Party's | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
attitude to this has been questionable. The MP who led the | :52:53. | :52:59. | |
charge on the phone hacking scandal has said this relationship is | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
potentially damaging for Scotland. The media interests are coming | :53:05. | :53:13. | |
under scrutiny. His BSkyB a fit and proper owner of a broadcasting | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
licence? The lesson of the hacking scandal | :53:20. | :53:30. | |
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is that politicians just got too close. There has to be a distance. | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
Alex Salmond seems to be the only Western leader who wants to get | :53:36. | :53:44. | |
close to Rupert Murdoch. I think it is probably a mistake for Scotland. | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
He is to a powerful media more goal. He exerts too powerful an influence | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
or institutions. When real look at Leveson inquiry, | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
is spreading north of the border? It is likely we must all the | :54:01. | :54:11. | |
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evidence. How do you think this applies in | :54:11. | :54:19. | |
Scotland? I do not want to pre-empt Leveson. He is digging deeply into | :54:19. | :54:29. | |
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tabloid journalism. If he comes up with chords of conduct, it is | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
something that should be considered by the industry in Scotland. There | :54:37. | :54:43. | |
could be a legislative framework? few thinks there are no protections | :54:43. | :54:52. | |
and law, we have to consider that. It is too early to pre-empt what he | :54:52. | :55:02. | |
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does. With the Press Complaints Commission saying a robust | :55:07. | :55:15. | |
independent regulator being set up. I think the PCC is the most damaged | :55:15. | :55:25. | |
brand and the United Kingdom. I feel it has not got a future. I | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
think it is presumptuous and insulting to Lord Leveson. What you | :55:31. | :55:39. | |
think it says about their attitude to the public? The general approach | :55:39. | :55:48. | |
of the PCC historically is one of dumb insolence. We're seeing | :55:48. | :55:58. | |
editors coming up with discussions about... The idea that the PCC will | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
be a vehicle that delivers that reform after so many failures as a | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
mistake. They have lost trust. couldn't be any public confidence | :56:09. | :56:19. | |
in any form? Again, it is too early to tell. A model of self regulation | :56:19. | :56:29. | |
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that has some powers based on statute might work. It is not too | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
late to look at self regulatory models but we should not pre-empt | :56:45. | :56:53. | |
Leveson. It can be good to partner with the industry. If they do not | :56:53. | :56:59. | |
play ball, that will be down to politicians. Do we have that | :56:59. | :57:06. | |
courage? It is too early to tell. There is intent after the Millie | :57:06. | :57:13. | |
Dolan episode. At some point, David Cameron will have to act on Leveson. | :57:13. | :57:21. | |
I hope that the unity displayed remains. There is a question mark. | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
Is there a difficult balance between regulating and restricting | :57:25. | :57:35. | |
:57:35. | :57:36. | ||
press activity? Yes. No one wants politicians and government to and | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
newspapers. Do we not want newspapers proprietors all were | :57:42. | :57:51. | |
influencing government? You need a propriety to the relationship. | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
Minimum pressing for roll-call is getting closer. Holyrood will | :57:56. | :58:05. | |
debate the Government's plans. Targeting low-cost, high-strength | :58:05. | :58:12. | |
rent remains divisive. -- a drink wine tasting night in an Edinburgh | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
off-licence. This sells for just under �5. It me | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
or �5 with minimum pricing. The order cents it will not affect the | :58:25. | :58:33. | |
business. Minimum pricing is a good idea. It will prevent alcohol being | :58:33. | :58:41. | |
used as a weapon by some retailers to get customers into them. It will | :58:41. | :58:48. | |
be good for the health of the nation and independent retailers. | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
It will probably be good for the public. Minimum pricing was not to | :58:52. | :59:01. | |
everyone's taste. It might work as a disincentive but, as a whole, it | :59:01. | :59:09. | |
will hurt people who drink responsibly. I have heard it have | :59:09. | :59:18. | |
under-aged drinking before. It is worth a shot. In 2010, minimum | :59:18. | :59:24. | |
pricing measures were voted out of the last alcohol bill. The SNP did | :59:24. | :59:29. | |
not have a majority them. Now read the bought their new law will be in | :59:29. | :59:38. | |
place by the summer. Their health committee has been scrutinised. New | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
research suggests a minimum price of 45 pence per unit would reduce | :59:43. | :59:52. | |
consumption by 4.3 % rather than 4.7 % previously predicted. The SNP | :59:52. | :59:59. | |
backed 45p. This time, they will suggest a specific minimum price | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
later in the process. Nicola Sturgeon agreed to a five-year at | :00:04. | :00:14. | |
:00:14. | :00:17. | ||
sunset clause it would result in David Cameron is considering | :00:17. | :00:25. | |
similar measures south of the border. But it is still scepticism. | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
The Scottish grocers Association represents convenience score goals | :00:28. | :00:36. | |
like this one. -- convenience stores. | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
This measure will not be helpful in terms of targeting problem drinkers. | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
It is indiscriminate and disproportionate. It will affect | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
our customers and there were businesses. | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
Customers are divided. To be more expensive the alcohol | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
the less problems our young people will have in the future. | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
It is a good idea. It will put off those who drank most nights of the | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
week. All evidence suggests that it will | :01:10. | :01:19. | |
hit jobs harder than it will hit teenagers drinking in the street. | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
So it remains a contentious issue. But drinkers will soon get used to | :01:24. | :01:33. | |
it. -- soon have to get used to it. I am joined by representatives of | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
the SNP, Labour, and the Conservatives. Why have the | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Conservatives changed their mind? We remain sceptical but we have | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
changed her mind because we have been negotiating with the Scottish | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
Government. We have succeeded in bringing in a sunset clause so if | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
it proved to be ineffective the measure will be dropped in five | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
years. We have gained concessions that there will be voluntary | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
notifications of the European Union to see if this as a legal measure. | :02:06. | :02:14. | |
And we're also asked for a review comparing and a rare -- comparing a | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
region like the North of England so we can see a like for like. And | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
lastly we want more work done on the culture and relationship of | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
Scots with alcohol. We drink 20% more than in England but the price | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
is the same. So by gaining these concessions we have decided to | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
support the Bill. It was going through anyway so we think we have | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
helped improve it. You could have second-guessed most | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
of these amendments anyway. The substantive arguments have not | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
changed. Do you regret delay in what could have been a significant | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
health improving policy? North. We remain sceptical and have | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
serious concerns about whether this will work. -- no. Alcohol | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
consumption is falling but the problems relating to it continue to | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
rise. Internet sales could lead Scotland and go elsewhere and we | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
also think that more people will buy across the border in England | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
but we have negotiated with Nicola Sturgeon for three months and feel | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
that the sunset clause which the minority government had and which | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
was taken out when the became a majority, we have helped to bring | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
that back in. We think we're moving forward and a sensible manner. | :03:42. | :03:50. | |
Labour are now isolated on this quote. You have turned your back on | :03:50. | :03:57. | |
detailed medical evidence you have... | :03:57. | :04:04. | |
Sorry! There is no evidence. It says that harmful rather than | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
moderate drinkers can be tackled effectively with the changes. Are | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
you suggesting that it was not medical opinion which said, let's | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
try this, even with a sunset clause? Your not CDs are suggesting | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
that there was a swathe of medical opinion that supported this? -- you | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
are not seriously suggesting. I have spent a quarter of my life | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
working with alcoholics and would not have suggested voting against | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
this if I believed it would work. It will not tackle the young and | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
binge drinkers who are the critical problem we have. This is the third | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
time in its history that Scotland has faced Algol problems and it is | :04:50. | :05:00. | |
:05:00. | :05:03. | ||
always a cultural issue. -- alcohol. In Sheffield they aimed to drink | :05:03. | :05:10. | |
just over half a pint less per 100 pts. That will not tackle this | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
problem. Would it not therefore be sensible | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
then to try and figure out at what level the minimum pricing works, | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
rather than at write it off altogether? | :05:23. | :05:31. | |
But the windfall to the retailers goes up. At 45p it is �100 million. | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
The Institute for Fiscal Studies has said that the market response | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
will be critical - if the price is reduced above the minimum price | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
level so that the purchase a basket of each individual is roughly even | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
doubt, the policy will be nullified. And this will only affect the | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
poorest 30% of the community. It will not affect the middle class, | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
who are drinking too much, and there are more hazardous drinkers | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
in the middle group of the population. They will not be | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
affected. Let's talk about that accusation | :06:05. | :06:12. | |
that you are targeting the pool. It is untrue. The doctor is in a | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
minority. You looking at more income groups, 80% either do not | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
drink at all or drink too moderate levels and are unaffected by price | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
rises. Only 20% will be affected. At the price difference between | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
them and higher income groups is 0.7 %. There is even evidence to | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
show that supermarkets inflate the price of their food to cross | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
subsidise the alcohol in their stores. It will benefit those in | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
low income groups and the most harmful drinkers. All the evidence | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
shows that. It acknowledges that the welfare benefits of minimum | :06:55. | :07:02. | |
pricing will be substantial. Or as a point of principle you have | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
your reservations. But there is a body of evidence that says it could | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
work. Why would you not, given their is a sunset clause, why would | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
you not say, give it and go, see what happens? Other eyes it looks | :07:18. | :07:26. | |
like opposition for the sake of opposition. -- otherwise. | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
They SNP have put out that lie from the outset. I have put forward | :07:31. | :07:41. | |
:07:41. | :07:42. | ||
cogent arguments. Can I finish? If you drink 14 or 15 units per week, | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
well within deceive deadlines, this as a tax of �120 per year on your | :07:48. | :07:56. | |
drinking. Why should a poor person be punished this way? | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
It is nonsense. You must be reading reports that do not exist. Quite | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
frankly Richard is desperately searching for evidence that does | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
not exist. What do you think David Cameron | :08:14. | :08:21. | |
will do on this? The truth as I do not know Phil's | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
got surprisingly enough we decide here in Scotland what we're going | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
to do. Jackson has been negotiating with Nicola Sturgeon since January. | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
He came to our group at a fortnight ago. We had a robust discussion and | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
we all came to the agreement, 15 of us, that we would support minimum | :08:41. | :08:49. | |
pricing on the basis of the concessions we have one. | :08:49. | :08:57. | |
But you advice would be it is a good thing to do? To have this in | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
the south rather than go, I speak - - as has been suggested, tackling | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
it through the tax system? I am left Richard Simpson on this | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
one. We would prefer that it was done through duties. But David | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
Cameron does not tell us what to do nor do we tell him. If it goes | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
through duties the money goes to the taxpayer and to fund public | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
services. Richard makes a very good point. This will raise the profits | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
for retailers and he is correct also that there was no evidence in | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
Sheffield as regards Genscher drinking and middle income earners. | :09:39. | :09:49. | |
-- binge drinking. His duty a blunt instrument? | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
It is not necessarily the right way to do it. Also, so poor market | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
profits, I note that the Conservatives are opposing the | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
public health levy to tax supermarkets and Labour won against | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
the Tesco tax. Nobody has spoken against the 40 people whose lives | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
may be spared in the First Year that minimum pricing is brought an | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
end. Let's talk about the public health benefits. | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
I am sorry we're out of time. I just want Richard to have a final | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
work. Labour were raising taxes and the | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
conservative coalition are continually get. It means you do | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
not have over �100 million going to the retailers which will be spent | :10:38. | :10:47. | |
on more advertising and reducing the price of higher priced drinks. | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
Research for a UNICEF shows that children in the UK feel trapped in | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
a materialistic culture and do not spend enough time with their | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
families. We will be joined shortly by the author of the report. First, | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
we spoke to two families to find out what impact modern life has on | :11:07. | :11:16. | |
them. My tea realism has come to dominate family life in Scotland. - | :11:16. | :11:26. | |
:11:26. | :11:27. | ||
- materialism. My son wants football boots priced | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
at �124. This was advertised just before | :11:32. | :11:40. | |
Christmas. C went on about it for weeks on end, begging for them. | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
Jennifer is a single parent who works full-time as a student nurse. | :11:45. | :11:53. | |
She had to save all week to buy her son a smart phone. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
All his friends have won so why felt pressure so that he could fit | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
again. I see lots of expensive things and | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
I want them. If you want to get in with a good group of friends then | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
you need expensive stuff. When I didn't have an iPhone people would | :12:12. | :12:19. | |
call me poor and say that I couldn't afford one. | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
He a UNICEF report says that parents in the UK feel tremendous | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
pressure from society to buy goods for their children. They do not | :12:27. | :12:35. | |
call it retail therapy for nothing. Shopping makes me feel good. It is | :12:35. | :12:43. | |
a reward for a hard day at work. It makes me feel good about myself. | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
It is a pretty world and I like to fit and. | :12:48. | :12:58. | |
:12:58. | :12:58. | ||
But could this consumerism affect It attracts people from really | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
paying attention to the things that would be better from their lives. - | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
- detractors. The research shows that parents in | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
the United Kingdom lose out on time together as if -- as a family due | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
to long working arose. They try to make up for this by buying children | :13:21. | :13:31. | |
:13:31. | :13:35. | ||
Effort is a choice between an iPhone and a holiday next to the | :13:35. | :13:45. | |
:13:45. | :13:48. | ||
Could children face pressure on all fronts. There is a strong image is | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
sending a message that this is what should be done. How people should | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
be. Where value lies. Getting away from that and getting back to focus | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
on relationships, friends and families, that balance needs to be | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
struck. It is not right at the moment. | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
With UNICEF reporting that inequality is greater in the UK | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
than in other countries should we be doing more to guarantee the | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
welfare of her children? The author of the report is here. Thank you | :14:24. | :14:31. | |
for coming and. If we look at when this Stark's, we heard from B race | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
people in the past that before your children are born you're being told | :14:35. | :14:44. | |
to spend a small fortune. Yes, it start before children are born. | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
Ridiculous things like baby perfume. They smell nice enough on their own. | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
But BA is huge pressure on parents to have all the latest things. -- | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
one father there we spoke to had produced an entire football | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
strapped to pin up everywhere around the nursery. It comes from | :15:08. | :15:18. | |
:15:18. | :15:26. | ||
A lot is not mediated by parents. Presumably, we have always wanted | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
things. What has changed? There is a lot more stuff out there. When we | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
did the work for Unicef, we filmed 24 families, we were falling over | :15:40. | :15:50. | |
:15:50. | :15:50. | ||
the stuff. There is so much to buy. It is advertised. Our children | :15:50. | :15:57. | |
asking for it Ora parents using it of we were seeing sorry I am not | :15:57. | :16:07. | |
:16:07. | :16:08. | ||
spending time with you? When we asked my children, they said time | :16:08. | :16:18. | |
:16:18. | :16:18. | ||
with my family and friends. That is what children want. When the our | :16:18. | :16:27. | |
school, like that child said there, so once or has a nightspot. Parents | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
start to feel they are bad parents if they do not give children what | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
they want. The feel disenfranchised. They feel they are the only ones. | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
If parents got together, they would realise other parents were not | :16:45. | :16:52. | |
going to buy a these things. Solidarity might help. Do you think | :16:52. | :17:01. | |
there are sections of society who find it easier to save all? Those | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
in hiring comes often have more time. We found families who were | :17:06. | :17:15. | |
struggling, having to work lots of jobs, they did not have time to | :17:15. | :17:24. | |
explain to their children. If you can survive on one income, you have | :17:24. | :17:33. | |
a mother and father, you can set and talk -- top two children. | :17:33. | :17:43. | |
:17:43. | :17:46. | ||
came out that some parents EU's but a dance. It raises the child's | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
expectation and plazas the lines between authority figures and the | :17:49. | :17:59. | |
:17:59. | :18:01. | ||
child. They embody dad is interesting. Mothers and daughters | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
go to pamper parties. Some parents use their children as rents. The | :18:08. | :18:17. | |
authority has gone. We spot to mothers in Spain. They just say no | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
to their children. The children appreciated parents seeing off. One | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
little boy said he had saved for Russ Star Wars set. He said if you | :18:31. | :18:41. | |
:18:41. | :18:43. | ||
do not save up, there is no Cherish mint. As bank loans become more | :18:43. | :18:53. | |
:18:53. | :18:53. | ||
difficult to obtain, one bank which started in Bangladesh is loaning to | :18:53. | :19:00. | |
people in Scotland. The idea has been around for 30 years. Could it | :19:00. | :19:08. | |
work here? It began in Bangladesh, a country | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
where 63 million people live below the poverty line. It was here the | :19:14. | :19:24. | |
:19:24. | :19:58. | ||
idea of micro finance began. This The idea is for the bank to offer a | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
small loans to people trying to set up businesses. The bank says it | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
promotes self-reliance. The poorest will create their own employment. | :20:09. | :20:16. | |
It is now coming to Scotland. This man has a Nobel Prize for his | :20:16. | :20:24. | |
banking model. He believes it can work here. We gave people to create | :20:24. | :20:34. | |
:20:34. | :20:35. | ||
their own jobs. They'd do the things they know or how to do. | :20:35. | :20:45. | |
:20:45. | :20:46. | ||
Sowing, making cakes, walking dogs. Here at St Paul's Church, local | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
women have started a lunch club. We see a small loan would help them do | :20:52. | :21:01. | |
it more quickly. We are doing better sewing and ironing. We're | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
hoping to get that up and running and get some machines in. Perhaps | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
we can get some washing machines and do some laundry. Some money | :21:14. | :21:21. | |
would help that. We are going to the basement. It is hoped this | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
launderette could employee some staff. This model for stamping out | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
poverty is not without its critics. Some people say it does not work. | :21:32. | :21:40. | |
We're set up by people who want to escape poverty. The idea is they | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
will automatically have clients. Unfortunately, that is not the case. | :21:47. | :21:54. | |
Poor people do not have money so will not be able to purchase items | :21:54. | :22:01. | |
and services. There is concerned people taking out loans would no | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
longer apply for benefits. The test will come over the next few months | :22:07. | :22:17. | |
:22:17. | :22:18. | ||
as people take out loans. It can be years before we know or if it works. | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
Good afternoon. The finance Secretary will use his speech at | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
the conference and the next few minutes to say that Scots will be | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
better off living in independence. John Swinney will cite the figures | :22:32. | :22:39. | |
and will see they can afford independence. We have set out the | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
course that Scots pay more into the United Kingdom than be get tight. | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
It is �510 per person. That is a platform from which we wanted | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
Scotland to become independent. Local authority is warning that any | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
plan to move you clear spill from - - fuel from Dounreay should be done | :23:05. | :23:15. | |
:23:15. | :23:16. | ||
by real. Highland councils say taking nuclear material by rail has | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
a poor safety record. Britannia's royal barge is | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
undergoing sea trials. The bought based that portion terminal a neck | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
and baroque was used to transport the Royal Family from the yacht | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
until it was decommissioned in 1987. It will feature and the Diamond | :23:39. | :23:49. | |
:23:49. | :23:56. | ||
High pressure firmly in control. Further east, we should see more | :23:56. | :24:06. | |
:24:06. | :24:06. | ||
brightness. It will be cooler further west. Tomorrow, not much | :24:06. | :24:14. | |
changed. Some brightness again further east. This week, mainly dry | :24:14. | :24:24. | |
:24:24. | :24:26. | ||
and settled. Let us take a look back at the | :24:26. | :24:36. | |
:24:36. | :24:37. | ||
Weeting 60 seconds. The UK's first green investment | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
bank would have headquarters in Edinburgh. | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
Tributes to Paul McBride found dead in Pakistan. | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
In a letter to the Prime Minister, Vince Cable mentioned breaking up | :24:54. | :25:04. | |
:25:04. | :25:07. | ||
the Royal Bank of Scotland. A in terms of the new | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
qualifications, there is work to be done before schools can be | :25:11. | :25:19. | |
reassured. Eric Joyce has been fined �3,000 and banned from pubs | :25:19. | :25:26. | |
after admitting assaulting politicians. I have been duly | :25:26. | :25:36. | |
:25:36. | :25:37. | ||
punished. I was lucky to avoid prison. | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
The top of the steamy, dominated by the party's spring conference | :25:42. | :25:52. | |
:25:52. | :26:04. | ||
season. Joining me, Mandy roads. Former | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
special adviser to John Swinney. Good reviews for Alex Salmond's | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
speech. Very good reviews. He is often associated with economic | :26:19. | :26:29. | |
issues. He devotes his speech to social issues. The interesting | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
thing from yesterday's conference was talk of the Social Union. That | :26:36. | :26:45. | |
is significant. The SNP will be trying to say to people, you can | :26:45. | :26:52. | |
keep the bits you like. You can keeps airline. So we can get rid of | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
the things we don't like. It is that the road they are heading | :26:58. | :27:06. | |
down? It is odd for me that the conference is not discussing, is | :27:06. | :27:14. | |
not asking the membership bought Social Union means. There is a | :27:14. | :27:22. | |
danger that people ask what is different. Should there be a second | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
question? That question is absent. Devolved areas, the highlighted | :27:30. | :27:40. | |
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that they were working. Is that not the danger? That is a danger. Some | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
say the SNP could be so successful and devolution that people will not | :27:49. | :27:58. | |
go on to independence. At the moment, there are huge spending | :27:58. | :28:06. | |
cuts down the line. Next year, the Lindsay there are record | :28:06. | :28:16. | |
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investments in North Sea oil. Speed can do so much in devolution. | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
Meakin said -- they can save you can improve on the things you like. | :28:25. | :28:32. | |
Far be it from me to suggest they would fall late -- fault Holyrood | :28:32. | :28:42. | |
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magazine. A few can short it has not just been under devolution, | :28:43. | :28:50. | |
there is an argument for discussing what we do differently. If that is | :28:50. | :28:57. | |
better, there is an argument other things can be done better. | :28:57. | :29:05. | |
sounds like a soft Labour vote. Mean or lots of people left Labour | :29:05. | :29:15. | |
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to vote for the SNP. Labour are not for independence. It is about | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
getting that pitch right. A lot of the speech yesterday it was | :29:24. | :29:34. | |
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important for that. How much autonomy you can run on fiscal | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
policy, this will have to be explored in more detail. The | :29:41. | :29:51. | |
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