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Good afternoon. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. David Cameron | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
opens the door to live referendum on of the relationship we the E. We | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
ask Nigel for arch if the Prime Minister has stolen his party's | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
most popular political tune. Should the party is apologise for their | :00:58. | :01:06. | |
own record on regulation? We ask Rachel Reeves to come clean. With | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
all that and the economic crisis, you would think that the Government | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
would have a enough on its plate. Not so. We asked the Leader of the | :01:14. | :01:21. | |
lots whether they can win the fight to save the second chamber. | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
And on Sunday Politics Scotland, how Scotland is failing its | :01:23. | :01:31. | |
children in care and what is being done to help them. With the | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
campaigns launched, where now for the referendum debate? We will be | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
speaking to the new chief executive of the Independent's campaign, | :01:38. | :01:48. | |
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Good afternoon. The prime minister has suggested the possibility of a | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
referendum at some time in the future on the relationship with | :02:05. | :02:15. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1457 seconds | :02:15. | :26:32. | |
We are still in very early days. There is just over a week to go | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
before the House of Commons has to take a decision on a House of | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
Commons motion. Decisions will take place and discussions will take | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
place between the parties. They have not told us how many days they | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
want. A 10 you proceed with that | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
situation? I think it will be very difficult | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
to spend weeks and months. We must not second-guess the House of | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
Commons. Most of them want to get down to discussing the important | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
issues of what is happening in the second chamber, rather than relying | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
on a Labour Party tactics to delay discussion again and again. | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
People will find it very strange that in the middle of these crises | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
and events in Syria and elsewhere that the Commons floor is dominated, | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
week after week, by laws reformed. -- by Lords reform. | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
I think that is why we will see support for a sensible programme of | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
development by government. We have had referendums on all | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
sorts of issues recently, why not a referendum on this major | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
constitutional change? We have had very few national | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
referendums and at the last general election all three party manifestos | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
agreed that there should be a democratic reform. They have agreed | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
over the last decade or so. They said they would try to find a | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
consensus, not that they would do We are yet to see whether we can | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
achieve a consensus. Referendums are expensive. �80 million on, | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
ostensibly, asking the people to agree something that the political | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
parties have already agreed. I think this is a political tactic. | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
This was put in their manifesto at the last minute before the last | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
election. They never mentioned it in the past and they did not have | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
won in 1999 when they threw out hereditary Peers. | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
There does need to be some discussion within government about | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
the most appropriate way of continuing. | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
Speaking of a referendum, at the same question as that that I put to | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
Nigel for arch, I'll be closer to a referendum on Europe after the | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
Prime Minister's article? We are closer than we were but we | :29:08. | :29:15. | |
are not yet clear on what the basis of that referendum will be. He | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
understands what the need is for a referendum but we must decide what | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
it is about first before making that historic decision. | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
They do you very much for joining us. It is approaching 12:30pm. You | :29:27. | :29:36. | |
are watching the Sunday Politics. Good afternoon and welcome to | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
Sunday Politics in Scotland. Coming up on the programme. He stood | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
behind the First Minister at the launch of the Yes campaign, now | :29:44. | :29:53. | |
Blair Jenkins steps up to lead the campaign foreign independent | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
Scotland. Also coming up, Scotland's secret | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
shame. The scandal of how badly we are failing our children in care. | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
And tackling the country's second biggest killer. We asking why | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
coronary heart disease is still taking so many lives. | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
The campaigns on both sides of the referendum debate are officially up | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
and running so how will each side go about trying to win your support | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
between now and polling day? Earlier this week, Blair Jenkins, | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
the former head of News at BBC Scotland, was named the chief | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
executive of the Yes Scotland group. He is tipped to join me now. | :30:39. | :30:49. | |
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Congratulations. -- he is here to try me now. | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
How do you stop this campaign becoming just an SNP campaign? | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
This is going to be a big umbrella campaign. The yes campaign is for | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
anyone in Scotland to come together and fight on this one issue which | :31:04. | :31:11. | |
is a hugely important issue. While the SNP, as one would expect, will | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
be very active in the campaign and prominent in it, it will be a much | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
bigger and broader alliance. Where does the fund income from for | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
this? How much of the funding, looking at the practicalities, will | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
come from the SNP? If there is a lot of funding from them, or will | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
there not be an impression that it is about their agenda if they are | :31:36. | :31:42. | |
bankrolling its? The large for yet Scotland came | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
partly from the money that came from Edwin Morgan. Some of the | :31:48. | :31:55. | |
funding from those people have been done using the launch period. -- | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
had been used in the launch period. I want be yet Scotland campaign to | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
be self financing. You have a limit on the amount that | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
people who are not on the electoral roll in Scotland can donates. How | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
much is it and why was that decision-taking? | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
Most people in Scotland do feel quite strongly that the referendum | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
campaign should be determined by those who live in Scotland and will | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
make this decision. We will not accept donations above �500 from | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
anyone who is not on the alleged oral register in Scotland. That is | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
important to make sure the people taking the decision instalments are | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
contributing to the campaign. Could it be a tactical error if the | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
no campaign it is funded by a large donors in England? | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
I hope they will be as transparent about their funding as we will be. | :32:56. | :33:06. | |
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Is it appropriate that you asked people to sign a declaration of | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
independence. This may not be the case. It was reported that you had | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
conceded it was a mistake to asked 1 million Scots to sign this | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
declaration of independence? That is absolutely not true. | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
Can you clarify your position on whether there should be a second | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
question? My position is that I am leading | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
the Yes Scotland campaign. We will only be campaigning for | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
independence. That is the campaign I am leading. Most people in | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
Scotland at the moment need to keep an open mind of the discussion. I | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
have an interesting experience over the last few weeks were I have | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
spoken on political issues and a lot of people have been in search | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
to say they agree with me and others are not sure. Let us meet | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
for coffee and talk about it. I have been drinking a lot of coffee | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
recently. My experience is that people are open to the conversation | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
and are highly persuadable of the arguments for an independent | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
Scotland. That is what we need to Will you be putting forward policy | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
ideas? I think people contributing to the | :34:19. | :34:26. | |
debate will put forward policy ideas. I am sure the SNP and the | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
Greens and the s and -- the SSP will be making policy contributions. | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
The Yes Scotland position is we will be campaigning for a Yes vote | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
in the referendum in 2014 and it is not to the political parties | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
thereafter in the general election to set out their policy agenda for | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
people in Scotland. It is useful to clarify that | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
earlier. Because that has been quite widely reported. It is | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
interesting how the media has been interacting with S. I hope this | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
quote is accurate. You said it you hoped we could have a sensible and | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
mature debate free from Punch and Judy confrontations and one | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
Scotland can be proud of. Do you have a concern that that it is not | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
just winning that matters but how you win because of the residue of | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
what could be left in scutter society in general if this is not a | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
decent campaign? -- in Scottish society. | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
Some journalists in the week did invite me to make adverse comments | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
about the people in the no campaign on and off The Record. I will not | :35:34. | :35:42. | |
be criticising individuals in the no campaign. The important thing to | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
recognise here is that the day after the referendum in 2014, all | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
the people involved in the no campaign will become citizens of | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
the new Scotland and will be determined at along with the worst | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
of us to make Scotland the country it could be. I think everyone wants | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
a really good, positive, constructive campaign. One of the | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
things I want to bring to this is a lot of high quality information to | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
as many people as possible so it is a well informed debate. | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
Do you think that is what we are seeing now in the social media? Do | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
you think the arguments that are entirely constructive? | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
It is not. We are really in the early days of social media. I do | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
not think the ground rules have been properly sorted out. I do not | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
think anonymous posting is a good idea as it encourages people to get | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
into negative territory. If you look at America website, you get | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
much more vicious, hostile and aggressive things said thing you do | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
here. What people are using social media for is to engage with people | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
in the campaign. A lot of people who asked me what they can do to | :36:59. | :37:05. | |
help, I say to them something concrete. I say to them, if in the | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
next two years you can convince one other person you know from your | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
family and friends are your workplace who is currently not | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
intending to vote for independence, that will make for a clear majority | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
in favour of an independent Scotland. | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
Do you accept that there is a newspaper bias as the SNP claimed? | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
It do you think that will be an issue in getting the message out? | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
The media message is important in creating the need music of any | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
campaign. It is a free country. Some newspapers blur the difference | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
between news and opinion. It is a free press and we will engage with | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
that press. What will be the role of BBC | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
Scotland? We needed to be an honest broker | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
and continue to provide high quality information. | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
Are you satisfied it is doing that as it exists now? | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
I have nothing to declare to the contrary. | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
Joining me now from Edinburgh is Richard Baker one of the five | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
directors of the Better Together campaign. Thank you for coming in. | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
Can we look first at the funding issue. Penny give us more clarity | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
today about who will be playing for your campaign? -- paying for your | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
campaign? There are no rules governing | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
donations as yet. Despite that, we will voluntary abide by the | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
appropriate legislation which is the elections and referendums Act | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
which means we will not be accepting foreign donations and we | :38:47. | :38:54. | |
will be publishing on our website all donations over �7,500. When | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
Blair Jenkins talked about transparency in that, I am happy to | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
agree with him about that and we will have the same level of | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
donation transparency. Do you think it will be like the | :39:06. | :39:16. | |
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Yes campaign, a limit on the amount people can give. | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
We will publish the names of all donors over �7,500. But she will | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
accept money from anyone anywhere in the UK? | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
Will not accept foreign donations but we do not regard the rest of | :39:31. | :39:39. | |
the UK as a foreign land. We are campaigning to keep the UK together. | :39:39. | :39:47. | |
The SNP have a track record of accepting donations from overseas. | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
Do you have any concerns that, at as the current speculation has been, | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
most of the donations will confront a Conservative donors in the south. | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
Do you have concerns that the perception will be that the | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
campaign is bankrolled by so many interests, as opposed to the Yes | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
campaign which is funded by donations from people in Scotland. | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
This is the start of our campaign. We have had a very successful | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
launch last week, based on people living in Scottish communities. We | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
will push had for donations in Scotland. I hope we will see | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
sizable donations from within Scotland. | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
If we look at what the Better Together campaign is offering | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
people, what will that be? If it is no to independence, what is it? | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
Clearly, it is Scotland's remaining in the United Kingdom. We will put | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
together a very positive case on why Scotland benefits in being part | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
of the UK in terms of our position in the world, economy and shared | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
society. We will put forward that positive case about the important | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
question of whether Scotland remains in the United Kingdom. | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
Blair Jenkins has said that he has no campaign based on any other | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
question. It is about the fundamental question of remaining | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
part of the UK. If it is yes, economically and | :41:18. | :41:24. | |
socially, what vision do you offer. The Yes campaign say this is what | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
Scotland will look like in 30 years. What is your patient of what | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
Scotland will look like in 30 years' time? | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
People can see now the benefits we have had from the UK, particularly | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
in troubled economic times. The Bank of England's bailed out our | :41:41. | :41:49. | |
banks. I have to say, when we look at the SNP of Blair Jenkins's | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
campaign for independence, they are entirely unclear on how Scotland | :41:52. | :42:01. | |
will look in 30 years. Now they say we will keep the Bank of England | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
and the pounds and we will even still be British. A lot of people | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
are saying, what is the point? We need far more clarity from the | :42:09. | :42:19. | |
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campaign to break up Britain about We have no clarity from sure | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
campaign about increased powers, there is no clarity there. Without | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
that, all what do you offer? There are campaigns about Scotland | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
remaining in the United Kingdom. The question of extra powers is for | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
other forms. To clarify this point, I have you saying that there is not | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
a specific vision you can offer? If you do not have a specific vision, | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
if what you are offering is Stanion the United Kingdom and muddling | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
along in a managed decline. What is your positive alternative for | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
Scotland and when will we know the details for that? I think that | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
staying a the United Kingdom is a positive alternative from | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
independents, and people know what the United Kingdom means. We know | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
the strengths of the UK and we know the challenges. I have to say to | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
you, and you were not asking Blair Jenkins to define his vision for | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
independence, there are huge unanswered questions about what | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
independence will actually mean. The SNP have been changing their | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
few week in week it. He did not ask Clare Jenkins whether he believes | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
that an independent Scotland should remain in or out of NATO. To | :43:31. | :43:38. | |
suggest that we have a lack of clarity of vision that the SNP have | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
is simply absolute nonsense. We come to a second question, it | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
should be quite clear that this is a fundamental issue which until | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
recently all the main parties agree should be a clear a single question | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
about whether Scotland should be in or out of the United Kingdom. Alex | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
Salmond is taking his mind on that because he knows he will not get | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
the answer he wants from the first question that people will now be | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
asking why he is running chicken from the clear debate that we | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
should have in this country over the future of Scotland and I want | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
to engage in that debate. I think that Blair Jenkins was looking to | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
engage that the bid constructively as well. I want to ask you about | :44:15. | :44:22. | |
that any moment, but just for the avoidance of doubt, Blair Jenkins's | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
job is not to articulate specific policy areas as you suggested, he | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
makes that clear in his interview. He will not promote specific | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
policies because the policies in the Independent gripping, the | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
parties that support that, they could have different policies. His | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
job was to put forward the argument for an independent Scotland, but | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
not policy specific. There is no point in asking them for policy | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
specifics. He wants an end to Punch and Judy politics, will that be | :44:48. | :44:55. | |
possible? Can be put forward a positive case for Scotland being in | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
the United kind? There is a positive case. We must move beyond | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
process questions and on to a clear debate about the future of Scotland. | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
I hope we can move on to that clear debate as quickly as possible. We | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
will put forward a positive case for Scotland remaining in a the | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
United Kingdom and will be arguing that England-Wales and the Northern | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
Ireland and Scotland all benefit by being part of the United Kingdom. I | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
do think that we will have a substantial debate and that the | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
media will allow us to have this debate. | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
The most discriminated against Great in our society, that is how | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
one charity described children who are taken from their homes | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
principally because of abuse and neglect and put into care. MSPs are | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
now investigating why these children who are most acutely in | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
need of stability permanency and loving relationships are | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
systematically denied the structures and support which would | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
enable them to thrive. Holyrood has just launched an inquiry into when | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
children should be taken into care prompted by shocking findings from | :45:57. | :46:04. | |
an earlier report into how look after children fare in school. | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
There are 16,000 looked after children in Scotland. A recent | :46:09. | :46:11. | |
report by the education committee looking at their educational | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
achievement levels revealed stark findings. | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
He suggested that youngsters in residential care and foster homes | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
if performed about ten times worse in school than the average child in | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
Scotland. The report also found that looked after children left in | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
their family homes perform about ten times worse in exams than their | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
counterparts in residential and foster care. | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
The last finding particularly surprised MSPs, as their | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
expectation had been that it looked after children left in the family | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
home would do better educationally than those who went into other | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
homes. Politicians concluded that the decision-making process leading | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
to where a child is placed for care has a crucial impact on a child's | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
life chances. The Education Committee's latest | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
inquiry will look at whether the speed of decision-making in cases | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
is appropriate, whether there is a presumption that children whose | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
parents have addictions should be removed from the home, and it will | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
also look at the balance of the Visa sign of children's care and | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
ask whether the child's rights are being put before the parents. MSPs | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
will now spend the next six months taking evidence that they hope will | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
shine a light on where the state system is failing children in care. | :47:30. | :47:37. | |
With me now he's the convenor of Holyrood's education committee and | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
the President of the Association for social work and the chief | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
executive of the charity, who cares Scotland? | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
First of all, you charity exists to give children in care a voice, what | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
do you think that we have to hear at this stage that we are not | :47:55. | :48:04. | |
heeding yet? Nelson Mandela said, the most revolutionary aspect of a | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
society's soul has hit its bed -- is how it treats its children and | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
young people. We believe that Scotland has some soul-searching to | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
do when it comes to her looked after children in care. We have it | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
comes that we cannot be proud of, and we believe that our society as | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
well as our politics and civil servants need to question their | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
awareness of this issue. These are our children when we take them into | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
care, their society's children. They go into care because there is | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
not the stability, the loving caring and nurturing environment | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
that would allow them to prosper and thrive, therefore rethink we | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
can do better. I have a child and from the age of 16 she has a one- | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
in-three chance when -- Sea has a one-in-three chance if she left | :48:56. | :49:03. | |
home to become homeless, would I be happy if she has a one-in- 10 | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
chance of having a mental health issue? And if the education system | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
could fill the to such a degree? That is not to say that these young | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
people are so different, they're just as capable as other young | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
people, we have taken them to summer school and Everest base camp. | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
They have been massively discriminated against by the | :49:25. | :49:33. | |
communities. A damning indictment for our society is that these | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
children feel stigmatised because of their life in care. We asked | :49:37. | :49:42. | |
what that was from, and they said that from the age of five they were | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
never invited to another child's birthday party. It is things like | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
that which exacerbates the situation. There are areas, then, | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
when you look at statistics like health and education on the | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
criminal-justice system, children in care are disproportionately | :49:57. | :50:03. | |
represented there, but apart from what he will discuss in more detail, | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
the immorality of not looking after them properly, or we are wasting a | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
lot of potential for society as a whole. They are massively talented | :50:10. | :50:16. | |
people. The resilience it takes to go through the care system is | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
phenomenal, if you go into care, what we require as human beings, | :50:20. | :50:26. | |
and we do not often reflect on this, but it is the relationships that | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
guide us through life. Parents often act as a social and moral | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
rudder to guide us to understand what is going on. How to be present | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
that for children and young people? They can have up numerous numbers | :50:39. | :50:45. | |
of adults or parents are placements that do not give them the stability | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
which they need to thrive. He said that one child had 50 placements | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
before she had turned 18. We should begin this by saying that | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
this is an incredibly difficult area for social workers to work in, | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
and nobody was going to social work in this area for an easy life. But | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
when we look at the structures in place, for example, children who go | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
into care because they have had to be taken from their homes because | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
they are being abused or neglected, these are little ones to have done | :51:11. | :51:16. | |
nothing wrong, but children who need immediate intervention. In a | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
care home, they can have anything between 16 and 31 carers on one | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
shift. If we look at something very basic, how difficult is it for | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
these children to form the sort of permanent, stable and nurturing | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
relationships that any other child can take for granted? I should | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
start by saying that I wholeheartedly agree with Duncan's | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
sentiments. We must be ambitious with children, particularly those | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
who I believe are discriminated against, we must make sure they are | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
looked after. It is difficult. As Duncan says, the resilience of | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
these young people is something that Dele -- something that | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
surprises me daily. We must just get these young people the tools | :51:59. | :52:08. | |
they need to achieve their goals. I think that we need to look | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
sometimes at how the system does work for some young people, | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
particularly those who give a fair to. They begin in incredibly | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
challenged circumstances and then come into care services and | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
sometimes the care services really do transformed their lives for the | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
better. But we must do better. I think one of the keys to do better | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
is that we work together. Part of it is about ensuring that our | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
society does not discriminate, except positively in favour of | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
these young people. It is about teaching staff, it is about the | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
public, it is also about employers in particular giving opportunities | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
to young people for employment when they leave the care system. That is | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
a huge issue given the recessionary impact on the economy in Scotland. | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
What is wrong with us that this is not just an automatic response to | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
these children? What is wrong with us as a collective? First of all, | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
we must recognise that they are there. The fact is that today beset | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
with the highest number of children looked after in Scotland for 30 | :53:12. | :53:19. | |
years. 16,100 young people are cared for in Scotland, with the | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
majority being cared for at home. What we have to do is make sure | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
they are not hidden from sight, secondly be must include them | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
positively in all the opportunities that my children will benefit from | :53:31. | :53:37. | |
in Scotland's society today, and I think that is a bit better | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
healthcare, more factories were saying that is clear and a long- | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
term, not short-term funding. It is about training people in the | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
culture that actually forces them and enables them to recognise that | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
young look after people are ambitious and achieving young | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
people. We know that in Denmark, it comes | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
across education Health, attainment, everything else would children in | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
care, are pretty much the same as for children who grow up with their | :54:05. | :54:11. | |
own parents in their own families to adults it, given what has just | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
been said, hardly at all comfortable with the way that | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
restructure her responses to these children? That I am not in the | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
least that comfortable, I think that one of the things that we want | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
to achieve is to highlight the situation, to give and the | :54:26. | :54:28. | |
publicity to get Scotland thinking about the problems that these young | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
people face, and that is the first thing that we want to achieve. | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
Hopefully through programmes like this and others, we can bring some | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
attention to the details. Clearly, as you said, there is a small | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
Scandinavian country that is do much better than BR. If they can do | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
it, surely we can as well. Although there have been marginal | :54:50. | :54:56. | |
improvement in the past 10 or 15 years, various experts and | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
governments have made a marginal on Britain, that is not good enough. | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
Why is that? Why the think, as you see, it is almost not that people | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
do not want to change, it is not that people are not aware of it, | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
why does nothing changed? Why does it changes so slowly? That is part | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
of the reason we're holding this inquiry, to find it what is | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
happening in the process that is ending up with children failing to | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
achieve not just educational, but also with other things in life. | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
They are a higher proportion of the prison population than average, | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
they hire problem with drugs and alcohol. We must ensure that we get | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
to the bottom of this particular problem. We have known about this | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
for so long, there have been many reports. It is as though people | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
more of the problems but do not want to engage with them. It is a | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
difficult and complex issue, it is so sensitive that people do not | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
want to face up to some of the realities here. We have a decision- | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
making process that we have been told that the first evidence has | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
come and that it is too slow and complex. It takes far too long. | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
Even if they tell was not yet born and we know there is a high risk | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
factor with the family, it is taking too long to achieve | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
permanence in a solution for those child. We know how critical those | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
first two years are for the life chances of that child. | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
We are almost out of 10. The key issue is that I am not sure we have | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
given the right message to society. Society does not know the nature of | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
this problem. They do not understand the roots of the style | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
that where they come from. How many local authorities have consultant | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
as to whether a residential did can be placed in the committee? They do | :56:34. | :56:41. | |
not open their arms, they treat it like nuclear waste. Who are these | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
young people? What has put them in this place? With relatively small | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
investment, they will respond positively. Every match will step | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
we take that they consume in their daily lives, they feel more | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
marginalised. We must accept that citizens of this country need to | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
give a stronger mandate for us to help these children. We're out of | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
time today, but the programme will go back and look at specific areas | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
here, because the evidence that is emerging to the committee is quite | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
shocking. We will look at healthcare as children in the | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
justice system and in care children in the healthcare system. We will | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
have you back very soon to look at these things. | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
Coronary heart disease is the second biggest killer in Scotland | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
after cancer. �150 million a year is spent on tackling cardiac | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
problems yet Scotland still has the highest rates of heart disease in | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
Western Europe. Gilly Mathieson has been to Drumchapel where the | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
Scottish parliament's public audit committee have been engaging with | :57:38. | :57:48. | |
:57:48. | :57:51. | ||
locals asked them what is going Physios from dar Naval Hospital are | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
working with the community to help those suffering from heart disease | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
to remain fit and well. Glasgow is the capital of heart disease in | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
Western Europe. I was out walking the dog one | :58:02. | :58:08. | |
Sunday afternoon and I felt breathless. I phoned NHS 24 and | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
described my symptoms and the next thing they said was that I should | :58:11. | :58:17. | |
sit down and the end of -- and the ambulance is on his way. | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
I did not think it would happen to me. I did the smoke. I attended | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
cardiac classes were over 90 per cent of people who had heart | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
problems smoked. In Scotland, at 8000 people a year | :58:32. | :58:39. | |
die of heart disease and �150 million is spent on hospital | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
treatment. A recent survey highlights the barriers preventing | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
people from more deprived areas from being diagnosed early and | :58:45. | :58:54. | |
treated quickly by the NHS. NHS 10 to -- men tend to turn up in | :58:54. | :59:00. | |
the emergency room. In the more deprived areas particularly, people | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
have less access to health information. | :59:04. | :59:09. | |
Jackie is taking part in the keep well programme which works with | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
locals in Drumchapel to address factors addressing their help. She | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
suffers from heart disease but finds it difficult to make healthy | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
choices. If you buy a wholemeal loaf, it is | :59:21. | :59:28. | |
dearer than a white lie. If healthy food was cheaper, people would levy | :59:28. | :59:35. | |
a lot longer. Today she is telling MSPs about her | :59:35. | :59:40. | |
experience. It is part of the inquiry into the experience of | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
services. We can bang on about things as much | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
as we want but if we do not provide healthy food in local shops and | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
affordable a, will not see that a change. | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
How to encourage people to buy health defeat when fast food is | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
seen as the cheaper option is challenging officials here. | :00:00. | :00:04. | |
We need to build on the minimum pricing far alcohol led to station | :00:04. | :00:10. | |
and build on that. For example, at more information about the | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
healthiness of fruit. The emphasis is on getting the | :00:15. | :00:21. | |
message out to have to read -- too hard to reach groups. They will | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
address that in the report they publish after the summer recess. | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
Gilly Mathieson there. Public trust in bankers has taken a battering in | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
the past week and we will have more on that later in the programme but | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
how much stronger is our trust in politicians and the political | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
process? Some say it would be stronger if there was more | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
transparency and scrutiny. I am joined now from our Edinburgh | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
studio. Do we need more lobbyists? | :00:57. | :01:04. | |
Yes, lobbyist do ads to be democratic process and provide | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
briefings for MPs and MSPs and informers on a number of subjects. | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
It is a legitimate part of the democratic process. However, they | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
also work behind the scenes to influence legislation and policy | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
and budget decisions. I think we should be shining a light on that | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
process. So what are you suggesting | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
specifically? You have mentioned a transparency register. What would | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
have to be detail that the public consumption? | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
It is a very simple process. We want an open register for people | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
who fulfil certain criteria. We do not want to have the local Scout | :01:49. | :01:59. | |
group of the Girl Guides having to fill in their in a form and | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
register. That is fairly insignificant if they are talking | :02:03. | :02:10. | |
to Parliament or their local representatives about something. | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
Companies that are lobbying in a significant farm, they will fill in | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
a form and say who they meet and what they met about ants provide | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
some financial information. You have also said there must be | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
independent oversight of this and credible sanctions. What you mean | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
by that? The credible sanctions I think I | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
need people to comment on. I do not want to create an expensive layer | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
of bureaucracy to oversee this. The possibility is that and a existing | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
organisation, for example the Information Commissioner as they're | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
suggesting in England, could oversee this so we do not at an | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
expensive bureaucracy. What was other points? | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
There should be a degree of sanctions. If there are major | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
breaches of what was proposed, in theory, a lobbyist could be struck | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
off at the extreme end. If there were minor breaches it could be a | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
warning letter. Though sanctions would be able to be seen. They | :03:19. | :03:26. | |
would be publicly available. You feel that these levels of | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
transparency are necessary to restore faith in the political | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
process. You feel that strongly about it? | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
I think politicians are perhaps not the lowest form of life in public | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
opinion at the moment. I think you will find that his | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
journalists. Not even journalists. It is bankers | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
at the moment. Are standing is not at the lowest at the moment but my | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
view is that because there has not been any lobbying scandals in | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
Scotland like there have been in England, we should not be | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
complacent and think there may not be problems here. I think it is | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
better that we take proactive steps to put in place systems that would | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
prevent the reputation of Parliament being damaged, rather | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
than trying to recover a reputation will damage once it occurs. | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
Thank you very much indeed for that. Now the lunchtime news with Andrew. | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
Proposals to change the drink-drive limits will be open for | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
consultation in the coming weeks by the Scottish government. Ministers | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
have bowed to lower the limits as a priority. The new responsibilities | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
are among powers being transferred from Westminster as a Holyrood | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
under the recently passed 2012 Scotland Act. | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
A 20 minute ultrasound scan which could detect those at an rest of | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
abdominal aortic aneurysms have been rolled out across Scotland. | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
Men over 65 are believed to be most at risk. It is thought the | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
screening programme -- screening programme could save many lives a | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
year. Andy Murray made history at | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
Wimbledon last night as he made it 3-the 4th round at the men's | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
singles. He raced against the clock to beat Marcos Baghdatis, finishing | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
at the latest ever time of 11:02pm. This June has been one of the | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
dullest, wettest and coldest on record. Let us see of the first day | :05:28. | :05:38. | |
:05:38. | :05:39. | ||
of July brings us better news. Here Sunshine and showers is the picture | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
today. The sunshine part is pretty hard to come by first then this | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
afternoon. There are showers particularly an East but through | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
the day we will see dry and brighter conditions feeding in from | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
the West as by the ends of the afternoon most places will be dry | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
with late brain has to end the day. Temperatures 13 to 17 Celsius. That | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
is the forecast. That is all for now. Our next | :06:06. | :06:16. | |
:06:16. | :06:20. | ||
bulletin is at 5:45pm. Back to is It has been a turbulent week in the | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
banking world. This week the Prime Minister is expected to announce an | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
independent review of regulations. Let us look at the potential fall- | :06:28. | :06:38. | |
:06:38. | :06:42. | ||
I am joined by a financial journalist. | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
Ian, let us look at the Miss selling scam. What do you think all | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
this means about the average bank customer? | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
I would imagine most bank customers are shocked and disgusted to | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
discover that the leading banks, including Barclays and RBS and | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
Lloyd's and other banks, have been engaging in systematically | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
manipulating interest rates to benefit their own bottom lines. I | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
think most customers will be really appalled but this has been going on. | :07:17. | :07:25. | |
It has been going on for about five years, since 2005. The regulators | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
did nothing to stop it. And in terms of what people might | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
have lost financially, particularly in the insurance mists selling scam, | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
do you think people will be looking for compensation? | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
Berry definitely. The compensation claims could be so great it could | :07:43. | :07:50. | |
bring down some of the banks. In the USA there are huge glass action | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
lawsuits against banks that combines to try and rape of the | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
global rates. I have spoken to two or three lawyers to represent small | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
businesses who had been cheated by their banks and they are | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
considering their positions. George, how do you think this could | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
develop? Could there be expensive court cases and what effect could | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
that have? The we have really not seen the | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
worst of it yet. There were two glass actions launched in the | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
United States and those damages could run into billions. It is very | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
serious problems ahead. Although there is legislation in the words | :08:31. | :08:39. | |
at Westminster to improve the strength of banks and safeguard | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
depositors. That legislation is not likely to be on the books since -- | :08:44. | :08:50. | |
until at least 2019. You could fight a World War in that time. The | :08:50. | :08:56. | |
politicians are talking a lot but they are not doing anything very | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
quickly. Do you think there should be an | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
inquiry? That would again postpone what should be done. Do we not know | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
what the problem was here? It was an over-complex system, | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
deliberately manipulating its, with derivatives traders running a | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
marked? We are suffering from a disease our | :09:18. | :09:27. | |
inquiries in this country. We are looking at more navel-gazing. | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
Do we need criminal sanctions in this country? | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
In America, if you fix prices you go to jail. In this country we just | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
find the banks. At some point in the future the banks to recoup the | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
money by putting the prices up. There is a moot point about whether | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
or not he could take sanctions against those involved in this | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
rigging? The first thing I would soon before thinking about an | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
inquiry would be to phone of the Fraud Squad and get the people | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
investigated to engaged in this activity. | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
I know you have an opinion that there could be legal proceedings | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
against people in this country but what is the role of the | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
shareholders in all of this? Shareholders have failed abysmally. | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
They sat quietly whilst banks were engaging in these activities. It | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
was widely known in the markets that this was being manipulated. | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
They could have tapped Bob Diamond on the shoulder and suggested he | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
look at it. Overall, the shareholders do not come out of | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
this selling -- smelling of roses. They have been pretty complacent | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
and unaware of things that they ought to have been aware of. There | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
is now this thing called a shareholders' spring where | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
shareholders have been voting down excessive pay packages in a number | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
of UK plc is and that is encouraging. There are signs | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
shareholders are waking up from 20 years of sleepwalking. Both are | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
what more is to come here? If I was Fred Goodwin of Bob | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
Diamond, I would be pleading with the Crown Prosecution Service to | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
prosecutes me because there is a high chance there will be | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
prosecuted by the US authorities. The US authorities will seek their | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
extradition. Not necessarily those to put it could be them of the | :11:27. | :11:34. | |
bankers who are Bayern's to have a active role in manipulating global | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
rates. I imagine that is one that outcome as I wrote in today's | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
Sunday Herald. There are lots of different outcomes. I sincerely | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
hope one outcome is that the Government wakes up to the fat are | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
banking sector has been wholly as a control, corrupt, dishonest, | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
deceitful and so on for far too long. What they have done to date | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
has been utterly, utterly unlikely to change anything. The most recent | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
report is like a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. It will not | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
resolve the matter. We need a fundamental change of culture, as | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
Vince Cable has been discussing. How you achieve that, I do not know. | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
It would almost be better if the existing banks were allowed to fail | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
and then we could start again from a clean sheet of paper and rebuild | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
a some banks which were decent and which saw their purpose as been | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
looking after the interests of their customers and of society, | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
rather than the other way around. Vince Cable, the business secretary, | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
has said this was a cesspit essentially. Is this the last | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
banking scandal we will hear? Could there be more waiting? | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
I would not be surprised if there was more. It just gets worse and | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
worse. It is because of the culture. Rigging prices, conning the | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
consumer and screen out of much does the system as you can, that | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
was the atmosphere. People have to go to jail. | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
The is that likely to happen? the public mood does seem to be | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
changing. My worry is that because banking is | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
the largest industry we have in this country, the politicians will | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
always came into them. Part of the problem lies with the politicians. | :13:31. | :13:37. |