14/07/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland

Sunday politics. A momentous week for labour and the unions in the

debate over party funding. We will bring Conservative and Labour

representatives together to see if we can make progress. Do not hold

your breath. You cannot blame the way on global warming, temperatures

have stopped rising in the first -- last 15 years. As global warming

really happening in the way that the scientific establishment claims, or

as time to think again? And yet another ex-suspension crisis for the

NHS this morning. -- existentialists. We will look at the

politics of failure. And here in Scotland, with a year to go before

the Commonwealth Games Village is filled with talented sports people,

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are we doing enough to cash in on happening there, they are concerned

about pollution from all power stations. There are many reasons.

One of the great things about the way we are tackling climate change

is that if you have actually cleaned up the energy, the atmosphere, that

is not a regret. But the policies are expensive. Now they are not. I

am happy to talk about the cost. number of scientists do not deny

that CO2 emissions increased temperature, they are looking at

whether it leads to such a quick rise in temperatures as the central

forecast, 3% for this century. A professor at Leeds University claims

that the higher temperatures are unlikely. Another from Oxford, they

look unlikely. The Georgia Institute of technology, the models are too

hot. Temperatures could remain flat for another two decades. My point to

you as do you not want to step back and reconsider policy? If our

policies were as expensive as you suggested we would obviously want to

look at them. But you said it put �112 on peoples bills. I will give

you the breakdown. The vast majority of that is tackling fuel poverty.

Reducing energy bills long term. Only a small part of that �112 you

mentioned, only a small amount is in subsidising renewable and low carbon

energy. We are taking a rational, sensible, moderate approach. I do

not deny that climate change will not follow the central forecast. But

there is a range of scenarios. Just like forecasting inflation of

growth. But lots of scientists are now saying that perhaps the more

range is more likely. That is still scary. What would be the

consequences for the UK of a rise in the one Celsius? Many people think

that is down to claim it change. central forecast that you have

proceeded on has been the IPC C forecast of 3%. Climate scientists

are now claiming it would be 1%. What would be bad for Britain?

few scientists are saying that. A tiny main oddity. -- minority. The

vast majority are concerned that we will not hit the two degree target.

All the projections that you are often about would go up of that.

Frankly, two degrees would be a real step forward and reduce the amount

of damage. A serious government looking at the science in an

objective, neutral way, with take action. You would not gamble with

the future of future generations. Nor would you rush to spend, �110

billion on wind power. You would take time to develop carbon storage.

Proper battery storage so that wind power can be more. But instead, on

the basis of forecast that may prove to be wrong you are continuing with

an expensive and costly programme. disagree that it is as costly as you

say. But we are developing energy storage to knowledge use. Not just

batteries, but water, hydrogen. We have a whole range of policies and

the idea that we are simply about offshore wind is a nonsense. If the

plateau is still there by 2020, what will you say to me? I still think

that the evidence suggests that if you look at rising heat in the

oceans, the icecaps, rising sea levels... I am saying that you have

taken a narrow approach. I am taking a way that approach. We have run out

Advantageous zero. -- AdVantage sport. Can we capitalise on the

success of Andy Murray? And where does the referendum debate lie?

What'll happen when politicians return from their summer break?

There are not many certainties in the leaves of sports persons. But

here is one, politicians will attach themselves to your success. Just ask

Andy Murray. But with the Commonwealth Games one year away,

what more needs to be done? It was a victory that there is -- armed

sporting immortality for Andy Murray. Familiar faces from the

world of politics are joined in the rush to congratulate the champion.

They are conscience that the -- conscious that the average man and

woman pays attention to is what people in their achievements.

Politicians naturally want to muscle in. In one year competitors will

arrive at the hour surveillance in the East End of Glasgow for the

Commonwealth Games. -- of the athletes village. Once the frenzy

has gone away, to what extent is the relationship between politics and

sport a two Way St? The answer is usually about legacy. Sport Scotland

recently announced a �5.8 million in tennis. Not a bandwagon in this

state, according to the sports minister. You do not come up with

this in a few days, I can guarantee you will stop it has been a while in

the planning. But there is nothing wrong in saying that we want a

legacy from Andy Murray's victory at Wimbledon. He is a one-off. He has

created a great environment for Scotland to build on but nothing

more than that. Hard work remains to be done. That is where the

government money is a start, but only a start. Alex Salmond was

promoting club golf at the Scottish open. A sport in which another Scot

has scaled the heights. 14 years after winning the open championship,

does Paul Lawrie think that has ever very prompted sustained commitment

to grassroots golf? Yes, to a certain extent. But it is difficult

to keep going, to keep putting in money, whatever. But I think it is a

lot better than it was. One former limping as more sceptical. --

Olympic athlete. We must be certain that the fantastic venues, the use

the as, that it is maximised. -- the enthusiasm. But we do not have that

ability with the current system. There is more we could do to

maximise things. Inspiring long-term change was as dated -- was the

stated plan for the games. I am joined now by Brian Whittle, who we

saw in the film. Andy Murray's victory was the end of 18 your

journey. How do you characterise the relationship between politics and

sport? -- a ten year journey. need politicians because they often

find sport but they do not understand it quite as well as they

should. -- fund. We need to be looking at decades long lines

whereas politicians think in four-year cycles. -- plans. They

know that they will not often be there to see things come to

fruition. You were sceptical about the Olympic legacy. You said it was

not working in the current system. What is the picture at the moment?

am classed as being sceptical, but there are lots of fantastic things

happening. But the Olympic legacy was to get so many millions of

people involved in sport. The trouble is that the time came when

the Olympics ended and these people tried and we did not have the actual

capacity. We need to allow for children to come and at the ground

level and get to where they get to. They are limiting factor should not

be the systems that we have. -- the limiting factor. It is quite

difficult for politicians to plan. Inspiration should come from parents

and teachers. Absolutely true. Political intervention is not the

only answer, it is a multifaceted answer. Parents are even more

important than in my day because of the decline in sport at schools

since the 1980s. Andy Murray typifies what is required to get to

the very top. I had the great pleasure of chatting to his mother.

The amount of commitment that the parents have, that is incredibly

important. It took him ten years to become an overnight success! We need

a multifaceted approach. If we are to help teachers inspire young

people, you referenced the 80s, the teachers strike, do we need to put

more money into school sports? think we do. I made a flippant

comment last year, why don't we take all that money and teach teachers to

do extracurricular sport? My introduction to sport was through

school. That happens a lot less now. No, I know we cannot do that, but it

was a thought just to start some debate. Sport in schools is not

happening as much as you think at the moment. Andy Murray went away

and fifth in the two practice sport. -- at 15. If there are other talents

like that, as they are the capacity within Scotland to Hamas? I don't

think so. -- to harness that. address that balance requires a

long-term commitment. And the other reality is that you cannot get away

from the weather. Some tournaments of that level, over here, would have

to be endorsed. -- indoors. Do you think there are children who could

be the next Andy Murray, who are not being spotted? Wasted opportunities,

not being spotted by coaches? Without question. I have said this

before, not forgetting that in recent times Scotland produced the

Olympic 100 metres champion, we just have not moved on since Alan Wells.

There are of there who could run as fast, we just have not taken

advantage. It is the whole picture, parental intervention, etc. Andy

Murray has eight calibre instinct that helped him rise to the top. --

killer instinct. Is there anything that is in the national psyche that

prevents that kind of success? don't think so. I think we have a

chip on both shoulders! Given the opportunity, fantastic amount of

talent in Scotland. School is out for summer. Holyrood has shot up

shop. The referendum campaigns started just over one year ago. Both

will work hard over this summer. Concept Ember, the one year

countdown is on. So let's review a spectacular sunny finish. -- come

for the wicked. Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling both made keynote

speeches pushing positivity and criticising each other. Perhaps that

encapsulate were the debate has set the summer. We gathered some views,

two from each side, and this Conservative MP has warning about

negativity. I said what I said because I believed it. We have two

focus on issues of substance. I guess my concern is that we have led

people to believe they will have all the facts before them before they

vote but it is very clear they will not. One Labour MP is emphasising be

positive about his campaign. It has been a great start to the campaign

for the role UK side with the lead extended in the polls. There has

been a recruitment of ambassadors for the UK case and that have been

local groups set up around the country. Still a long way to go only

there is no complacency but we have had good year. Good news in the

polls for them. The Green Party are bedfellows in Yes Scotland than the

palling is not yet raising any alarm bells. Many people are unconvinced

but open-minded. The kinds of things that will inspire people to change

their position is a debate dominated by big ideas and by a vision about

the future of our society and what we want Scotland to be, rather than

empty assertions on both sides. Perhaps a lack of certainty on both

sides. A key moment in the autumn will be the prospectus for the

independents. There will be a lot of arguments. The prospectus can lay at

the detail of what an independent Scotland can achieve and from my

point of view, once the white paper is published as the real starting

point for the campaign because only then can we say this is what defence

and wealthier band so one will look like. More arguments will give way

to more arguments and the cycle will continue.

If politicians lacks the summer, enjoy the break. With me now for the

Yes Scotland campaign is Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh and for the other side,

Better Together, is the Scottish Conservative MSP Annabel Goldie.

Thank you for joining us. I want to look at positivity and negativity

first of all. Two speeches this week board reported to be positive but

were critical of each other. Alex Salmond was talking this week about

the parcel of rogues on the other side. I believe that projects a year

has been exposed and it started with mobile phone roaming charges and now

it has moved on to the billions it would cost to get rid of Trident and

again that has been exposed. It would cost less than to keep

Trident. These tactics do not sit well with the people of Scotland and

people do not like being frightened into adopting a certain position.

People deserve the facts from all those involved in the campaign and

we have been relentlessly positive and will continue to do so. Alex

Salmond has constantly been critical of Westminster. We the positivity

there? Westminster this completely out of touch with Scottish politics

and despite the fact we have MPs at Westminster, when they bought their

views are not taken into consideration. We have policies

imposed on us without a will. -- oh well. We can be sure of two things

in a Scottish parliament, that we always get the government we vote

for and we will always act in the best interests of the people of

Scotland. Too much negativity and scaremongering. We have even had

that from one of your colleagues talking about how some stories were

silly. It looked like Alistair Darling made a bit of a change

trying to be positive? He made an important speech outlining positive

aspects of what the pressures partnership actually means for many

people in Scotland. That was a very good agenda to be pursuing. Just a

back-up on what was just said they are, the figure about Faslane, that

I believed to be the beer cost of creating the state and nothing

whatsoever to do would be the beer cost of creating the state and

nothing whatsoever to do with the enormous cost you cannot take one

fact in isolation. There is this constant negativity particularly

from Better Together but even when Alistair Darling was trying to be

positive, he was characterising a national list interpretation of

history as childish. They Trident caricature Better Together as

projects via which is not something I recognise. It is more to do with

public perception and I was campaigning as recently as Tuesday

evening. Public reaction is positive with people from diverse political

backgrounds who regard Better Together as presenting a positive

case for the United Kingdom. We saw Patrick Harvie talking about a real

vision. Do you think the leaders room for a big overarching vision on

your side? Can I please clarify, Project sphere was a term borne out

of the Better Together campaign and was exposed, not made up by others.

We have always spoken of Scotland as something more fear and more

democratic and that is something we take to the people of Scotland. We

have found that when we give people the facts and when they are real but

I really informed, they are much more disposed to vote yes. Our job

is to make sure that every possible venue and every possible community

be given the facts. The facts should be accurate. What is the big

version? We are not used to having a vision but for the first time we

will have control of what happens in our country and we can move beyond

party politics and look at our vision. Because it transcends party

politics and because people in Yes Scotland are from all parties and

none, we can take everything they have to offer to the campaign. But

allows us to take the campaign forward and take everyone's views

into consideration. Is it hard for your side to Philly vision when it

is the status quo? I think she reveals the difficulty. Everyone can

have a vision but we need specifics and the specifics are what is

missing. Alex Salmond's speech recently up north was very

revealing. He has clearly stung by the yes campaign awareness that an

awful lot of people in Scotland not only value the partnership but they

like it and want to continue. He then said, that social union will

remain along with the NATO union and the EU union. That is arrogant

nonsense. In an independent Scotland your relationship with NATO will

change. We no longer control the environment which determines levels

of public spending and borrowing. It is pagan nonsense and a cynical ploy

to cover up what the yes campaign is profoundly aware of, which is that

they need to raise its game but it can't. Better Together when all is

said and done has a better story to tell. The big story will be in the

White Paper this autumn. There will be a lot of answers needed in that?

And those answers will be forthcoming. Will be shredded to

bits by your opponents? independence referendum includes

everybody and it is right to the bait. We should not be afraid of

having conversations and I have to take issue with Annabel Goldie's

comments. It is a matter of absolute fact that the political and economic

union is not working for Scotland. We have to do what is in the best

interests for Scotland and I suppose the whole of the country. My parents

live in London and it is ridiculous to suggest that those ties cannot

continue. When it comes to the White Paper, Jackson Carlisle made the

point that the public want answers. I can rip anything to shreds in

anticipation and we need to see what the White Paper says. We now hear

that Alex Salmond will be assisted by Scottish novelists in preparation

which will take fiction to new levels. When it comes to really

engaging with people, the Polish and Asian community were speaking on

good morning Scotland saying they had not been engaged or contacted by

the campaigns. What can we do to change that? That is not factually

correct. I am a member of the Scottish Asians for independence

campaign. How can we engage different communities?

communication and grassroots communication. We will have to leave

The julienne the United States has acquitted a neighbourhood watch

volunteer of shooting dead a black teenager. He argued he acted in

self-defence and the verdict has prompted some demonstrations.

A dramatic conclusion to a trial that has captivated and divided this

nation. George Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watch volunteer, never

denied shooting dead Trayvon Martin but he said he did so in

self-defence and the Julie agreed. As happy as I am, I am thrilled that

this Julie -- jury get this tragedy from becoming a tragedy. Trayvon

Martin was walking home when he was spotted by George Zimmerman sitting

in his car convinced he was part of a gang targeting a local

neighbourhoods. The prosecution said he proceeded and then provoked

Trayvon Martin as he headed to this private apartment complex. There

were no witnesses to the confrontation but a neighbour's

called to the emergency services picked up cries for help followed by

Trayvon Martin was dead. Instead of laying the matter to rest, there's a

fear of the Julie's verdict may reopen old wounds.

A firefighter has died and the second is being treated in hospital

after they fired on Manchester city centre. It broke out in a

hairdressing salon. Nearly 24 hours after the fire broke

out on the other side of that building there. At 8:30pm last

night, something happened, possibly an explosion, perhaps caused by the

products stored there. Two firefighters had to be rescued and

one died in the fire. He was 38 years old and a father of two.

Greater Manchester police have arrested 215-year-old girls on

suspicion of manslaughter. Police in Northern Ireland say that seven

officers have an engine during a second mate of violence. -- night.

An extra 400 officers from around the United Kingdom have been drafted

into the province. More news on BBC One at 6:35pm. Offshore helicopter

operators CHC have reassured staff about the safety of their craft.

They were grounded in the wake of two Northsea etchings but given the

all clear by aviation authorities are earlier this week. -- ditching.

Thousands of people are enjoying another day of sunshine at T in the

Park. About 85,000 people are attending. This evening, American

rock group, the killers, will close in the way of cloud towards the west

coast and far north. Warm in the political headlines of the week. But

first: Ed Miliband said that Labour needed to lay on the lessons of this

selection row and pledged to end automatic affiliation with union

members. There were calls to bring forward the fuelling of the a name

after a crash killed three people. -- dualling. A group of American

politicians met at the Scottish Parliament. William Hague said that

he meant no offence after appearing to call Cathy Jamieson a stupid

recommended, MSPs could also see a Westminster will follow next week

but it is still a easy time and politics. -- base. -- busy. I am

joined by an SNP blogger and Spectator blog. Our top story today,

the Sunday Herald, who will be the winners after the historic triumph

of Andy Murray? What gained of legacy will we get? Hopefully we can

build on the confidence. We need to back that up with investment and

infrastructure. That will be very important, going forward. Putting in

the grass roots work. Hopefully that can translate into real investment

in tennis and other sports. We spoke to Brian Whittle in the programme.

He was sceptical about legacies. Do you think that the Olympic legacy

has come to fruition? No, but it cannot in just 12 months. But talk

of legacy is a nonsense, really. Andy Murray as a one-off in many

respects. In the same way that Roger Federer is a one-off. Doubtless more

people in Switzerland play tennis, and doubtless more people will take

it up in Scotland, but the notion that we will suddenly start

producing a stream of champions is fanciful, and it is equally fanciful

to suggest politicians can have any kind of impact on these things. Yes,

it is less likely to waste public money when you spend it on sport

than some of the other things it is spent on, and it would be a good

thing if young children exercised more school, but if you want to talk

about legacy, that is what is important. Not about a programme

which will churn out champions. Maybe politicians do not have much

impact, it is down to teachers and parents? I totally agree with that.

Politicians can only look at the overall picture, which must be in

formed by people on the ground. It has to be done from the bottom up.

Investment going in on the basis of what they have been told from the

autumn. Politicians and sport should kind of stay apart. They do not mix

too well. With 14 months to go the independence campaign has already

become a slanging match, according to the sun. We have seen speeches

purporting to be positive this week which were actually quite negative.

I don't know. Maybe it is correct that neither campaign is inspiring

the people. The people remain defiantly unstamped by large parts

of the campaign. -- unstirred. But by historical or international

standards it has been a civil campaign thus far. I imagine that

will change over the next 12 months but it has been modestly restrained,

modestly civilised, and only modestly interesting! Natalie, do

you think people are engaged? Patrick Harvie made that point in

the film. We are seeing some more interest through the work that I am

doing. But the walls are pretty static. -- polls. The No campaign

have gone strong on aspects of that they think will hit people off

independence. But they have not really shifted people away from

independence. Whereas the Yes campaign have not been so successful

chef in Kabul the other way. -- shifting people. But speaking to

people on their doorsteps, I think it will be that kind of one-to-one

conversation that is needed. That is all from us this week. We got off a