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Afternoon folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Yes we're back | :00:35. | :00:43. | |
after the summer recess and the party conference season is upon us. | :00:43. | :00:51. | |
First up, the Liberal Democrats. And Nick Clegg has some convincing | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
to do. According to our very own Sunday Politcs poll his troops don't | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
like his Coalition bed mates. The country's not too keen either - the | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
latest poll has the Lib Dems languishing behind UKIP in fourth | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
place with only 9%. So can the Lib Dems claw their way | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
back come the election in 2015? We'll be talking to former leader, | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
now the party's General Election Commander in Chief, Paddy Ashdown. | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
George Osborne's a happy bunny these days. He's got some good economic | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
news to shout about. At last. So where does that leave Labour? We'll | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
be talking to the Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna. ?NEWLINE | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
and then Sunday Politics Scotland, who will delete womb in the | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
referendum? Bash Apple who will debate who? | :01:44. | :01:55. | |
signifies. And freshly showered from the Great | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
North Run and looking as fresh as daisies, the best and brightest | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
political panel in the business. Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis and Iain | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
Martin, who will be tweeting throughout the programme. | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
Now, their leader is our Deputy Prime Minister. They are the junior | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
partners of our coalition government. They like the colour | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
yellow and they have not won a general election since dinosaurs | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
walked the earth. Now they are behind UKIP in the polls, so as the | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
party gathers for its annual bash this year in Glasgow, what is on | :02:25. | :02:33. | |
their mind? Who are the people gathering at the Clyde this weekend? | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
their mind? Who are the people Before they started drinking, we | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
surveyed 580 Liberal Democrat councillors in England and Wales, | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
with the help of some pollsters, comrade. The first question we asked | :02:45. | :02:52. | |
was, if the next election results in a hung parliament, which team would | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
you rather go into coalition with, the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
councillors said Labour, two to one. the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
Tories or Labour? It is not for us the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem | :03:03. | :03:13. | |
to say. It is for the voters to say. We will decide depending on | :03:13. | :03:21. | |
what the voters tell us. Your councillors favoured a coalition | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
with Labour. Well, it depends what is on the table. Who would you | :03:22. | :03:35. | |
rather play table football against? I would rather play against you, | :03:35. | :03:43. | |
because I am winning. So in the Lib Dems shop, which policies are | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
because I am winning. So in the Lib winning 's which ones are heading | :03:46. | :03:46. | |
for the bargain bin? The most winning 's which ones are heading | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
popular policy was a mansion tax on house is worth more than £2 million, | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
popular policy was a mansion tax on which was supported by 80 -- 86% of | :03:54. | :04:03. | |
councillors. The next most popular policy was scrapping the Trident | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
councillors. The next most popular nuclear deterrent, supported by 72% | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
of councillors. Then there was the nuclear deterrent, supported by 72% | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
reinstatement of the 50p top rate of income tax. 70% of councillors like | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
the look of that. When it came to the idea of banning the burka in | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
public places like schools and airports, 45% of councillors were in | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
favour. Finally, a ban on topless Page three model is won the support | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
of 33% of councillors. Why is it so popular, the idea of a mansion tax? | :04:34. | :04:42. | |
It is a much fairer tax. We know there are people out there with very | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
expensive houses. Which of these is most important to you? Banning | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
Trident. The cold war ended in 1989. Another one was the idea of | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
banning the burka in public places. No, I feel people should wear | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
whatever they like. If they want to No, I feel people should wear | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
wear the birth or a kilt or if they want to be naked or not wear | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
anything. We are the party of jobs. Thank you. Last night, a fully | :05:13. | :05:21. | |
clothed Nick Clegg rallied his troops, but if he was not around, | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
who would Lib Dem councillors want instead? Business Secretary Vince | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
Cable was most popular, with a third of the votes. In second place, the | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
party's president, Tim Farron, with 27%. 10% went to Danny Alexander, | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
Chief Secretary to the Treasury, while the business minister Joe | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
Swinson received 7%. The Energy Secretary Ed Davey scooped 6%, and | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
in last place, Steve Webb, the pensions minister, who got 5%. If | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
any of these councillors want to talk to me about it, I would be | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
delighted to hear from them. Is that a bid for a leadership campaign? It | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
certainly isn't. What do you think of these? That is quite a | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
collection. These are the contenders. But our survey is not | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
the only one that has got tongues wagging in Glasgow, because the Lib | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
Dem leadership have commissioned their own poll which showed that 75% | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
Dem leadership have commissioned of the country will never vote for | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
Dem leadership have commissioned the party, no matter what they do. | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
Also meeting here this weekend, this the party, no matter what they do. | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
group of bikers. But Liberal Democrats like to think they have | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
got just as much va-va-voom, even if a big chunk of the country doesn't. | :06:39. | :06:47. | |
Add, back in his hometown. So, the Lib Dems are on 9% in the polls. | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
Much of their party thinks they are Lib Dems are on 9% in the polls. | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
moving in the wrong direction. Earlier, I spoke to former party | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
moving in the wrong direction. leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
put in charge of heading up the 2015 leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
election campaign. I asked him if the mood in Glasgow was grim. No. In | :07:07. | :07:15. | |
many ways, as you know, Tory old commentator that you are just as I | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
am a hoary old member at the other end of the camera, we have been | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
there, done that and got the T-shirt. Where you are in the | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
midterm of a government, especially when you are in government and the | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
country is going for in a deep economic crisis, has almost no | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
relevance to where you might be when the nipple come to consider how they | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
will vote in 600 days time -- when the people come to consider how they | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
will vote. We do not dismiss polls, but they are a snapshot of what is | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
happening now and give little indication of where we will be. My | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
guess is, for what it is worth, that as we come to the election, the | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
public will be in a very serious, probably frightened mood. Their main | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
public will be in a very serious, thoughts will be, who maintains my | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
job, makes sure I don't have to pay thoughts will be, who maintains my | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
to higher mortgage? The coalition has delivered not only the required | :08:14. | :08:21. | |
policies to make Britain's economy prosperous, but also its society | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
fair. That is what people will want to see. I think coalition politics | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
are here to stay and we have a role to play in it. But you are in a grim | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
mood this morning. You tweeted that you were not happy with how the | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Observer newspaper handled your interview. What was the problem? Is | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
there anything we can do to help? There is probably something they | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
could do to help. I have no arguments with the interview. The | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
headline they chose to put on it late last night was outrageous, | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
misrepresentative and in one case in accurate. What was the headline? | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
Something about Ashdown wants a coalition with the Tories, or at | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
Something about Ashdown wants a least they gave that in for us -- | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
inference. Let me make this point. We are coming up to the next | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
election. I am in charge of the campaign. Any journalist who in | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
these next two years says that any Liberal Democrat prefers anything | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
else in terms of the outcome of a coalition but the result of the | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
ballot box dictating that outcome, that any prefer one side to another | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
over and they want to see a that any prefer one side to another | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
coalition determined by the electors that any prefer one side to another | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
in the votes, will get a bloody hard time from me, no matter who they | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
are. We take the warning. A survey of Lib Dem councillors shows that in | :09:49. | :10:09. | |
the event of another hung parliament, only 16% of your | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
the event of another hung councillors want to renew the | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
coalition with the Tories. That is a councillors want to renew the | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
clear sign that your activists want a change of direction. I don't think | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
it is news that as a left-wing party, we find it more congenial | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
with those on the left wing, but that is not the issue. You saw it | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
was not the issue at the last election. We are servants of the | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
ballot box. We do watch the British people require us to do to provide a | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
stable government in the interests of our country. I am sure you have | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
got the point by now. I have fought of our country. I am sure you have | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
the Tories all my life. But when Labour run away from | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
the Tories all my life. But when responsibility to amend the economic | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
crisis, was this right for the country? That is what drives me. Let | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
me say again. The people will determine who are going to be in any | :10:44. | :10:52. | |
coalition, should there be one, the voters and nobody else. It is not | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
about what we like. I understand that. But your own internal polls | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
show that Mr Clegg and the leadership are not taking the party | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
with them on that. I don't think that is true. Nick Clegg has done | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
what no other party leader has done. He took the coalition agreement to | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
the party, and they voted for it. So it is not true to say that members | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
of the party are moving in a different direction. I think we are | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
extraordinarily united. I did not expect them to be so under these | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
pressures, but they have surprised me and made me joyful at the same | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
time. The party has done what it needs to do. This is what | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
time. The party has done what it done in local government for a long | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
time. We may have our private likes and dislikes, but the thing that | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
time. We may have our private likes dictates the formation of a | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
coalition is the ballot box. You have said that three times. I can | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
say it again if you like. Please don't! What if your party votes to | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
reinstate tuition fees as party policy afternoon? We will have to | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
reinstate tuition fees as party listen to that and act accordingly. | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
You must listen to the voice of the party and take it into account in | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
what you do. I am always quite careful, as you know, about | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
answering hypothetical questions. I don't think it is likely to happen, | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
but if it did, we would have to do consider it. I thought what | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
distinguished Lib Dems was that if your party conference voted for | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
something, it was in the manifesto. The manifesto is taken in its final | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
form before the party for decision. The party will express views at this | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
stage in all sorts of ways. It did in my leadership, too. The manifesto | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
is democratically agreed by the party at the time of the election, | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
not before. The Tory conference will be about how they think they have | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
been vindicated, that austerity has worked, the economy is turning a | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
corner. But Nick Clegg's conference announcements will be about plastic | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
bags. Have you got the hang of this coalition think? Andrew, you can | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
always be guaranteed to put things coalition think? Andrew, you can | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
in the most discreditable form! That is part of your charm. That was | :13:18. | :13:26. | |
about to be a minor announcement in the middle of his speech. But it was | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
discovered beforehand. It has not been very popular in terms of how it | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
has been received, but that is not the central message. That leads me | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
to what I think is the biggest danger you face at the next | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
election. Isn't the biggest danger that the Tories, not you, if there | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
is an economic recovery, they will get the credit for it? I don't think | :13:53. | :14:03. | |
that is true. By the way, I don't think the electorate does gratitude. | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
The only time people cast a thank you vote was probably for Mrs | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
Thatcher over the sale of council houses. We could have a different | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
discussion over whether that was a good idea. But what you have done is | :14:13. | :14:21. | |
the underpinning for the promise of what you will do. In this | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
government, we have stayed firm on a what you will do. In this | :14:22. | :14:30. | |
very tough economic policy. But will you get the credit? What we have | :14:30. | :14:38. | |
very tough economic policy. But will done by ourselves, which the Tories | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
would never have done, is make sure that when the pain is felt, it is | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
not the poor who feel it. We have seen the biggest shift of taxation, | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
lifting the poorest in the country out of taxation, that has ever | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
happened, including in the previous Labour government. You are presiding | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
over the biggest squeeze on living standards in modern times. Because | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
it is the biggest recession in modern times. When you speak to the | :15:06. | :15:15. | |
2.5 million people who have been lifted out of taxation altogether | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
because of the Liberal Democrats, speak to those who have had a £400 | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
tax cut. You may be able to make the speak to those who have had a £400 | :15:21. | :15:32. | |
connection, Andrew, you are a sharp observer, between a very deep | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
economic crisis and difficulty for everybody. But it is clear that if | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
the Tories had been by themselves, none of that would have happened. We | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
have sought to shift the burden away from the poorest in this country. I | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
am part of that. So when we go into the next election, the message will | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
am part of that. So when we go into be that if you want to continue to | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
have a prosperous economy and a society, only the Liberal Democrats | :15:55. | :16:03. | |
will deliver that. Tim Farron says he likes Ed Miliband and he does not | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
want to diss him. Can you confirm that there will be no dissing of Ed | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
Miliband? It is not much my style. I've never much liked comments about | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
the other leaders. I do not intend to make it so in the future. Can I'd | :16:19. | :16:27. | |
finish up on Syria? You said after the Syria vote that Britain was a | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
hugely diminished country. Given it was the British Parliament that said | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
both sides on a course which could now see Syria give up chemical | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
weapons without records to military action, would you like to withdraw | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
these remarks and admit that you should be proud and happy with what | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
Britain has done? No. You and I both know, because we are old observers, | :16:49. | :16:57. | |
that that would never have happened unless there had been an | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
underpinning of a threat to use force. The British Parliament | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
resigned from that. We have no part to play in the fact that Assad and | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
Putin have moved towards peace for to play in the fact that Assad and | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
fear of military action. We decided not to be part of that. It is | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
fear of military action. We decided exactly the opposite. Why would have | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
liked to have seen our country join in with those who are serious about | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
upholding an international law which has restrained even than axes and | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
talent, but instead we resigned and left others to make sure that we | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
moved towards peace. -- even the Maxis and Stalin. But if it had not | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
been for the British Parliament, we would not have had the time to allow | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
this to happen. It has avoided war. Job done, British Parliament. That | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
would be true if it was accurate but it is not. The resolution proposed a | :17:50. | :17:59. | |
delay, that we should wait until the inspectors came back. That time | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
frame was absolutely nothing to do inspectors came back. That time | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
with the parliamentary vote. The vote was going to incorporate that. | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
I do not think you can claim what vote was going to incorporate that. | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
you claim. In the Balkans, I remember that diplomacy, which was | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
not reinforced by the threat of military action, does not work. It | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
is when diplomacy runs with a grain of military action that it works. | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
And if you want a fantastic illustration of that, look at what | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
is happening over the last two weeks. By regret to say that our | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
country, which has always been in favour of engagement and not | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
disengagement, had no part to play in that. They give a joining us, | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
Paddy Ashdown. Enjoy my old university city. | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
And you we would get to the Balkans eventually, and we did. His biggest | :18:49. | :18:57. | |
challenge is if the economy is looking reasonably good by 2015, to | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
get some credit for the Lib Dems, when the Tories will want to halt it | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
all. But his position is not to be the necessary axeman. That is George | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
Osborne's role. Their role is to be the chaser party, taking the edge | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
off. They will because of me going on about the pupil premium and | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
racing people out of income tax. That is what you will hear from | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
them, how they have taken the edge of the cuts. Will that work? They | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
are in a pretty good position. Even if they have lost two thirds of the | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
popular support, according to the polls, I do not know anyone in | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
Westminster methinks that will be matched in their parliamentary | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
representation. If they have 56 MPs now, they might lose a dozen but | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
they will not be decimated. Strategically, they are in a better | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
position than the reading of the polls would tell you. I think Nick | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
Clegg's survival has been one of the stories of this Parliament. He is | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
looking good at the comfort -- at the conference. When he was at his | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
lowest after the AV referendum, people were saying he would survive | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
and lead us into 2015 and beyond and I thought that was fanciful. Believe | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
it or not... Paddy Ashdown was wrong, you were wrong and... I | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
wasn't. I'm underestimated how bad his rivals are. If you are Lib Dem | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
member, however aggrieved you are with Nick Clegg, you do not think, | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
wouldn't it be great if Christian was in charge? Nick Clegg is the | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
best they have. -- Chris Huhne was in charge. Of course, the people do | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
not vote for the coalition government and it is a consequence | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
of the way they vote, a different matter. If Janan Ganesh is right, | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
and they lose 15 seats in the next election, they could be still | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
pivotal in the next government. It could be. But there is a danger. | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
Possibly the most amusing outcome would be a Labour or Tory overall | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
majority, which would be hilarious for the look on Paddy Ashdown's | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
face. The danger is they get trapped for the look on Paddy Ashdown's | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
constantly in talking about the politics of coalition and of a hung | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
parliament. And they are very puffed up and they enjoy Parliament and | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
they will enjoy the next one, but up and they enjoy Parliament and | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
there is a possibility they will not be. While they are talking about the | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
Polish and themselves, they are not talking about the issues facing the | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
country. -- talking about the coalition. It was interesting that | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
he said that we are a left-wing party, not a centre-left party or a | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
centre party, but a left-wing party. I'm going to put myself in the | :21:39. | :21:46. | |
firing line and say that there is a big split between the Tim Farron | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
firing line and say that there is a line who say they like Ed Miliband, | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
firing line and say that there is a and another one, Jeremy Browne in | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
the Home Office saying that Labour are intellectually lazy. The risk | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
clearly a clique around Nick Clegg who wants to be a synthetic party, | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
but that is not where the membership who wants to be a synthetic party, | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
and broad base is. The real activists are clearly of the left, | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
not just the centre-left. They are very pro-immigration and they want | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
to get rid of Trident. Mr Clegg's strategy has to be to take the party | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
to the centre. The something not happen at some stage? The poll | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
to the centre. The something not suggests it is a left-wing party. | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
to the centre. The something not Very left-wing. Other think the poll | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
would have yielded -- would have Very left-wing. Other think the poll | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
yielded the same results before the 2010 election. This is reflected by | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
the arithmetic. Whichever party is biggest will most likely be the ones | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
in coalition with the Lib Dems. Nick Clegg's on latitude to choose is | :22:48. | :22:56. | |
exaggerated by us. The choice is no tears, it is written into | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
parliamentary arithmetic. But if you remember the structure of the Lib | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
Dems, they can tie themselves up in infighting. -- the choice is not | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
ours. They are fundamentally infighting. -- the choice is not | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
stable. And Nick Clegg has had a good conference last year, and will | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
have another one this year. The good conference last year, and will | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
economy is better than it was a year ago. It could still go quite well | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
for him. Yes, it is one of the ago. It could still go quite well | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
stories of this Parliament, his survival and the way in which he has | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
prospered. But there are a lot of people out there, students, | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
campaigners, labour activists who have not forgotten what he has done | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
in government and are determined to get him. It will be a tough year and | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
a half. Tougher than he imagined. Now, not so long ago they were | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
writing George Osborne's political obituary. Be on the Omni shambles | :23:47. | :23:54. | |
budget of 2012 and a lacklustre performance of the British economy | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
meant his reputation work -- was in the dirt. -- the omnishambles. But | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
things have changed. The Chancellor is saying he has been vindicated. If | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
true, we're do that leave his critics? At your stuck on the | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
runway, it looks as though the British economy has taken off, | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
growing by 0.7% in the second British economy has taken off, | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
quarter. Forecasts for the rest of the year have been revised up words. | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
What's more, the office for National statistics says that the double-dip | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
recession never actually happened. Unemployment is down in the three | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
months to July and the number of people claiming jobseeker's | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
months to July and the number of allowance is falling at its | :24:36. | :24:37. | |
months to July and the number of spasticity rate since 1997. On | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
Monday, George Osborne said his policies were bearing fruit. We held | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
our nerve when many told us to abandon our plans. As a result, | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
thanks to the efforts and sacrifices of the British people, Britain is | :24:51. | :24:59. | |
turning a corner. The message for his Labour critics was clear. The | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
Chancellor thinks he was right and they were wrong. And Chuka Umunna | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
joins me now for the Sunday interview. | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
Good afternoon. Good afternoon.Do you accept that the economy has | :25:13. | :25:22. | |
turned a corner? I think it is good that a stalled recovery appears to | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
turned a corner? I think it is good have come back to life, but let's | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
turned a corner? I think it is good get this in perspective. We have had | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
three wasted years. We have the worst economic recovery in history. | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
Debt is up and we have record youth unemployment. If you ask your | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
viewers who are watching this programme if they feel better or | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
worse off, compared to 2010, the majority will tell you they feel | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
worse because, on average, wages are down by £1500 compared to May of | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
2010. That is the situation. The questionnaires, what is the | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
government going to do about it? And one of the things we have seen | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
talked about, Vince Cable has been talking about this as well, is what | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
is happening in the housing market. It seems that much of the solution | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
to powering the recovery in the eyes of George Osborne lies in sorting | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
out the housing market but the problem is, we are at risk of being | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
out the housing market but the another housing bubble. Because of | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
out the housing market but the research that came out this week, we | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
know that housing in the UK is three times more expensive than in the US. | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
know that housing in the UK is three We know that house prices are rising | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
five times faster than wages, but we also know that the government is | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
five times faster than wages, but we building new housing at a slower | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
rate, the slowest rate that we have seen since the 1920s. Labour | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
complaining about a housing bubble, isn't that like Satan complaining | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
about seven? -- seven. We all know that we cannot go back to business | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
as usual. We need to build a new model of growth. But the housing | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
bubble you talk about, it is not a bubble. It might turn into one. I | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
said the risk of a bubble. It is nothing like what happened on the | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
labourer when the prices soared. As I said, in 2009, we had the crash | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
labourer when the prices soared. As and we knew we needed to reconfigure | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
the way that our economy works. Having an economy based on crisis is | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
not a good thing. We need to rebalance the economy. We saw the | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
unemployment statistics this week, and it is welcomed overall, that | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
climate has come down -- unemployment has come down. At half | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
of the UK has seen unemployment go up. And it went down in other parts. | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
We know that we need to rebalance our economy, so that we do not just | :27:42. | :27:49. | |
rely on consumption, but that we grow our productive sectors. And | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
also that we grow our exports as well. We know we have a continuing | :27:53. | :28:01. | |
deficit. We always have a trade deficit. There was never a trade | :28:01. | :28:11. | |
surplus under Labour. Want to come onto what you have mentioned but | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
would you scrap the help to buy scheme? We have not said that we | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
would do that. Why not if it is causing the bubble? If you let me | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
finish, on one hand what that scheme does at the moment, at the moment it | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
is inhalation to a new scheme but tomorrow -- next year it will be in | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
relation to the existing scheme. If you do not sort out the supply of | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
housing, then that is a recipe for the problems we have seen. Our | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
argument is build more houses. Help more people to buy them by all means | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
but if you do not have the supply you will end up with rising prices. | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
That is obvious. Labour said that government austerity would prevent | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
the return of growth. Austerity is still with us but so is growth. You | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
were wrong. We never said that growth would never return. What we | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
said was that if you went for an growth would never return. What we | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
overly extreme deficit reduction package, you would choke the | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
recovery and you would choke growth. That is what we saw for three years. | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
If you say, look at the US economy, it has grown at three times the rate | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
of the UK economy. The German economy has grown at twice the rate. | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
But the British economy is growing quicker than the American or German | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
economy is now. But over time we have not seen that happen. But it is | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
now. That may be the case. But my point is that those three years saw | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
people undergoing huge stress and worry. It is good that we have | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
growth back again but the question is, what kind of growth? What we | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
have said... I'm going to come onto that but your credibility depends on | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
your previous analysis. And there that but your credibility depends on | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
are doubts about it. This is what you said not that long ago. In | :29:57. | :30:05. | |
2012. Our economy has flat lined near the 0% mark... | :30:05. | :30:16. | |
You and the Labour Party said it had choked off growth. You were wrong. | :30:17. | :30:33. | |
We were not wrong, because we had three years where the economy was | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
not moving. Let's remind ourselves. Claude Osborne was predicting that | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
the economy was going to grow by 6.9% between the start of this | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
Parliament and now. It has grown by 1.8%. We did not say we would never | :30:46. | :30:55. | |
have a return to growth. You never said that austerity would only | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
temporarily delay growth. We have looked through your speeches and Ed | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
Balls'. We can't find any reference to say this is simply delaying the | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
recovery. You said austerity would choke off growth. If that is true, | :31:09. | :31:18. | |
why has it returned now? Did we say it would choke off growth for ever? | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
why has it returned now? Did we say We did not. You have changed your | :31:20. | :31:29. | |
tune. I think your package at the top of this programme, to frame this | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
around George Osborne, this is not a Westminster soap opera, it is | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
people's lives, and the people who deserve huge credit for the growth | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
we are seeing are our country's businesses, who despite the tough | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
economic times, have succeeded. They are the ones who have powered this | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
growth. It is not for us in Westminster to take credit. But you | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
blame the government for lack of growth. So therefore, when the | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
growth comes, the government has to take some credit. Look at the | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
situation Britain is in now. We know the recovery still has to reach many | :32:07. | :32:13. | |
parts of the country, but this is the OECD annualised growth in the | :32:13. | :32:21. | |
G-7, the world's guest economies. That is looking pretty healthy. That | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
is a recovery. I am not denying that That is looking pretty healthy. That | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
we are seeing a stalled recovery, That is looking pretty healthy. That | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
but who benefits from the growth? On average, your viewers have sustained | :32:36. | :32:43. | |
a £1500 pay cut. That is the second biggest fall in the G20 since May | :32:43. | :32:52. | |
2010. Because we had the biggest financial services sector and took | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
the biggest crash. Financial services are still in decline. | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
Financial services are about 10% of the economy. They are not the only | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
contributor to the economy. The point is, who benefits? Unemployment | :33:08. | :33:15. | |
is falling, but we don't just want people to have any job, we want them | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
to have decent jobs that pay a weight you can live off and | :33:19. | :33:57. | |
Over the last 20 years people are less secure at work than ever. The | :33:57. | :34:13. | |
other thing is the uneven spread of this across the economy. In places | :34:13. | :34:21. | |
like the north-east, the Northwest, Yorkshire, they have seen | :34:21. | :34:29. | |
unemployment increase. I understand there is a regional imbalance but | :34:29. | :34:38. | |
this service sector is growing. Financial services are in decline. | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
The reed balances happening. It is not happening to the degree that we | :34:44. | :34:57. | |
need to transform our economy. We need to reconfigure our economy. | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
Your party conference is coming up next week. Why do Ed Miliband's | :35:00. | :35:09. | |
approval ratings get worse the more people see of him? I do not accept | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
that. I am just giving you the figure. Surveys go up and down.His | :35:15. | :35:26. | |
approval rating is consistently down. What matters are votes. We | :35:26. | :35:39. | |
have seen the Labour Party put on new candidates. We have been putting | :35:39. | :35:58. | |
on votes and members as well. Your leader is no more unpopular than | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
Gordon Brown was when he too laboured to the worst defeat in | :36:01. | :36:09. | |
living memory. -- when he to Labour. Votes are what matter.Twice | :36:09. | :36:24. | |
as many people think Elvis Presley lives on the moon. We are winning | :36:24. | :36:40. | |
support in important areas. Since 2010 we have put on thousands of | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
members. Compare and contrast that to the Conservative party, which has | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
not won a general election since 1992. Why will you not pledge to | :36:49. | :36:59. | |
renationalise Royal Mail? That would be like writing a blank cheque. We | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
do not know how much the Government will receive from the sale of Royal | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
Mail. We do not know how much it would cost to buy it back. That | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
would not be responsible. The Government is not lead to do this | :37:13. | :37:22. | |
right now. Sources in the city and Whitehall tell me that if Labour | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
pledged to renationalise it it would kill off the flotation. So if you | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
are against it why do you not do it? That would be like writing a | :37:31. | :37:39. | |
blank cheque. But if you put it in the prospectus, people in the city | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
who know more about these things than you or I, say it would not | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
happen at all. Why do you not do it? That would not be responsible. | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
It would be like writing a blank cheque. You would not have to write | :37:54. | :38:02. | |
a check if it had not happened. I had to deal with the facts. I will | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
not deal with what anybody might speculate about. For me to pledge to | :38:06. | :38:15. | |
renationalise it is now would be like writing a blank cheque. We want | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
to be fiscally responsible as a Government. You are watching the | :38:20. | :38:33. | |
Sunday Politics. Good afternoon and welcome back to | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme - jawing at the | :38:37. | :38:47. | |
battle lines on independence. How will the campaign be sustained? Alex | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
Salmond should be prepared to debate with his opponents in Scotland on | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
television. You would expect that in this day and age. I cannot | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
understand why he is refusing to do a televised debate with anyone other | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
than David Cameron. We will be putting that to the First Minister | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
Alex Salmond live in Fraserburgh this afternoon. | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
The Liberal Democrat conference is being held in Glasgow. We will hear | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
from the Scottish leader Willie Rennie. | :39:19. | :39:27. | |
On Wednesday campaigners will mark an important milestone in the run-up | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
to next year's referendum on independence. After the summer | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
cease-fire, if you can call it that, the battle for Scotland's future | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
will be rejoined with only a year to go until the decisive vote. Here is | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
our political correspondent. These days the battle over | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
Scotland's future are fought with words, not swords. But the struggle | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
now and we could be no less significant than those woven into | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
the tapestry on display in Holyrood. In politics the word historic is | :39:59. | :40:10. | |
vastly overused. But in one year from now one such event will take | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
place. Scots will be asked should Scotland be an independent country. | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
Those arguing to maintain the 300-year-old union said public | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
opinion as on their side. They insist the referendum is not sewn up | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
yet. Flying the flag for the UK on the streets of Scotland, they say | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
that Alex Salmond is spinning voters and Yarm. You cannot tell us what | :40:34. | :40:41. | |
currency we would have. He cannot tell us because he does not know. Or | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
take what will happen with debt. He says he will default on debt. I | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
really really going to start off by saying that Scotland is a country | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
that will default on debt? Yes campaigners say they want the | :40:57. | :41:04. | |
Scottish Parliament to take on more responsibilities from Westminster. | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
It is because we have decision-making over education that | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
young people can still go to university in Scotland. Because we | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
have got the Scottish parliament we have got three personal care for | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
older people. We could have been nitty in their old age. These are | :41:21. | :41:30. | |
the kind of decisions we can take. -- they can have dignity in old age. | :41:30. | :41:38. | |
As MSP is prepared to vote on the principles of the referendum Bill, | :41:38. | :41:52. | |
one figure warns for temperance. The public has no great impression of | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
politicians as it is. Another shouting match will cement that | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
negative perception. The great tapestry of Scotland covers | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
thousands of years of history. But there is one panel missing. Next | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
year we will know what form it will take as Scots take the decision that | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
will be time and the pattern of the nation future. | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
I enjoyed now by First Minister Alex Salmond from Fraserburgh. An | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
interesting time ahead. Just minute ago. I am interested to gauge how | :42:24. | :42:33. | |
significant is that for you? It shows the piece is quickening. We | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
are going to see a process over the next year where more and more Scots | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
engage with the arguments. As people engage with these arguments more | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
people will support an independent Scotland. You have stated | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
emphatically this week that you would abolish the spare room subsidy | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
or bedroom tax. What is your real big vision for Scottish | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
independence? You spent the summer talking about maintaining the | :42:59. | :43:09. | |
unions. We want to create a more prosperous country and a more equal | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
society in Scotland. Constitutional change is an argument in itself. | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
That is a noble ideal. An independent Scotland is also a means | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
by which we can have a more prosperous country. Also, | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
importantly, a more just society. That is an attractive vision. | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
Compared with the dismal future if we stay and London control it is an | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
exciting and galvanising vision. What other policy areas reduce you | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
to change? A whole range of policy areas to make Scotland a more | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
competitive country and therefore more prosperous economic league. A | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
range of measures to avoid bearing down on some of the most vulnerable | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
people in society as is being done at the present moment. Policies | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
which keep public assets under public control like the Post Office | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
at the present moment. Policies which mean that the great natural | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
resources in Scotland, oil, gas, renewables, are treated as natural | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
resources and go to the benefit of the people and the nation. These are | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
quite different policies than the ones produced by Westminster. Add to | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
that the fact that the Scottish Parliament has already written about | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
the environmental challenge on greenhouse gases, shows that we can | :44:32. | :44:41. | |
rise to the occasion. We can do that with the economy as well. You | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
mentioned the privatisation of Royal Mail. What is the problem with that? | :44:44. | :45:02. | |
We need the Royal Mail in public hands. We are spending hundreds of | :45:02. | :45:09. | |
lines of pounds in terms of the spread out of five and broadband | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
around Scotland to make sure that all the areas of Scotland have | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
access to that wonderful new technology. We think it will do | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
amazing things to the ability of businesses to sustain themselves in | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
real areas. That depends on the infrastructure of Royal Mail. It | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
depends on having a reliable and cost-effective postal delivery. Many | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
of the great private companies who use the internet also use the Royal | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
Mail as the best way of getting to people across the country. We should | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
also look at it from another point of view. How to business people get | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
their goods and services? You need that Royal Mail service. I | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
jeopardise that? Why place it in private hands? My challenge to the | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
Prime minister is clear. We are debating the future of Scotland over | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
the next year. 80% or more of the Royal Mail is owned by the people of | :46:02. | :46:09. | |
Scotland. -- 8%. What right does David Cameron have to cell of that | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
before the people of Scotland have the opportunity to the assets like | :46:12. | :46:20. | |
that into Scotland's hands? What do you mean by that? Are you wanting a | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
moratorium on the Royal Mail cell of the four independence? I want a | :46:24. | :46:33. | |
moratorium on the sale of Royal Mail to allow the people of Scotland to | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
come to a decision whether that a national asset should stay in other | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
cans -- stay in public hands or beehive off as the London Government | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
intends to do. I am demanding that the Prime Minister, rather than | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
pre-empt the decision of the people of Scotland, have a moratorium, so | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
that we can decide what to do with our share of that national asset. | :47:01. | :47:13. | |
This is a reserved issue. Real areas are represented by Lib Dem MPs. With | :47:13. | :47:20. | |
all due respect to you to say that the UK Government cannot proceed | :47:20. | :47:27. | |
with this sale? We are divided over three of the mandate lies on this. | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
Two years ago and overwhelming majority of Scottish MPs voted | :47:33. | :47:42. | |
against privatisation plans. But if those proposing privatisation wants | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
to put that matter to the Scottish people after independence then that | :47:45. | :47:46. | |
to put that matter to the Scottish is a matter for them. I think they | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
will get short shrift. I do not think many Lib Dems will be | :47:51. | :48:00. | |
surviving a process which combines selling off the Royal Mail and | :48:00. | :48:10. | |
imposing the bedroom tax. This is about how we should treat the assets | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
and resources of this country. The empowerment of the people through | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
the referendum has to be expressed in their ability to make these | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
decisions. That is why I am making a challenge to the Prime Minister to | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
call a halt at this stage. The other challenge to the Prime Minister is | :48:25. | :48:32. | |
your challenge to debate them. Alistair Darling is calling for you | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
to debate. He says why not debate with them? Are you running scared of | :48:38. | :48:45. | |
debating with Alistair Darling? I will keep my eyes set on the Prime | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
Minister on this particular campaign. The Royal Mail issue is an | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
exact example of that. I debate that should take place against the | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
different futures that Scotland has should include issues like the | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
bedroom tax, like the Royal Mail, whether these are right or wrong for | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
the Scottish people and who should make these decisions. We cannot | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
debate with somebody who has no control over these issues at the | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
moment. The Prime Minister and myself have been given a joint award | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
for democratic innovation in Edinburgh agreement. That agreement | :49:19. | :49:26. | |
allowed the referendum to take place on a statutory Asus. -- statutory | :49:26. | :49:38. | |
basis. Despite all your campaigning over the summer the opinion polls | :49:38. | :49:48. | |
have not shifted. An American pollster said that you would need a | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
crisis in England for the yes campaign to be successful next year. | :49:53. | :50:01. | |
There is plenty of crisis developing and constitutional politics across | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
the country at the present moment. The bedroom tax is a crisis but many | :50:04. | :50:13. | |
people at the present moment. Look at the opinion polls this morning. | :50:13. | :50:23. | |
If Scotland voted against independents Westminster was put | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
Scotland in the dustbin file somewhere. An opinion poll in a | :50:27. | :50:36. | |
Sunday newspaper has said that 50% of people are not sure yet. There | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
are a lot of people like that at present. The one thing we can say | :50:40. | :50:46. | |
about the opinion polls this morning is that it is game on. Secondly we | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
can say that as people get more information about the different | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
futures of this country then I think people will move towards acquiesced | :50:54. | :51:07. | |
position for Scotland. what dated November can colours for the White | :51:07. | :51:13. | |
Paper being released? We have all ways so that it will be in the | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
autumn. I think the debate with the Prime Minister should be on St | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
Andrews Day, what better day to have the finest acting against Scottish | :51:25. | :51:31. | |
independence, me arguing in favour is to mark that would be a grand | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
day. I think you can anticipate that the White Paper may be in the public | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
domain by November, as Nicola Sturgeon said. Now, the tans are | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
fading, the holiday credit card bills are dropping through the | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
letterbox. Yes, summer is well and truly over and autumn is here. | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
Politicos are bristling with excitement as party conference | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
season now begins. The Liberal Democrats have taken their UK | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
conference to Glasgow for the first time in ten years, telling voters | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
they've got a track record now on jobs and the economy. The UK | :52:02. | :52:12. | |
conference on the doorstep across the Clyde. The lip Dems are trying | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
to build a bridge into the future, a fresh start looking ahead to the | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
election after a difficult years in government. Senior figures and 5000 | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
party members have descended on Glasgow. Security is pretty tight | :52:28. | :52:34. | |
here. Even the Business Secretary, Vince Cable, has to have his pass | :52:34. | :52:40. | |
carefully checked. These protesters gathered to complain about the spare | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
room subsidy, which they call the bedroom tax. It is difficult for | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
some delegates to keep calm like these people. They are angry about | :52:50. | :52:56. | |
the bedroom tax and the U-turn on tuition fees. Do you think it was a | :52:56. | :53:02. | |
good idea to go into coalition? No, I don't. I have lost a lot of my | :53:02. | :53:08. | |
benefits, I have lost my home, I am struggling. When you are in | :53:08. | :53:14. | |
coalition there always enjoy going to have to compromise on. Being in | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
government has damaged the party 's popularity that it is because of | :53:20. | :53:27. | |
being in government that we are working in the national interest. | :53:27. | :53:34. | |
Nick Clegg is unapologetic. I was always very open that it would be a | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
risk politically but the biggest duty for us was to provide jobs and | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
a sense of economic well-being to the people of Scotland and written. | :53:43. | :53:50. | |
Jobs and the economy, that is what he is trying to put the focus on, | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
claiming a strong track record. That is the message they are desperately | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
trying to get across as they try to rebuild support here in Scotland and | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
trying to get across as they try to further afield. I spoke to the | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
Leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, Willie Rennie, a little | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
earlier as he prepared to make his speech to conference this afternoon. | :54:08. | :54:14. | |
I asked if it had been the right decision to go into coalition. Nick | :54:14. | :54:21. | |
Clegg and the party made the right decision in 2010 for the whole | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
country. We make that step in order to secure the economy and to secure | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
fairness in the wider society as well. It was not easy. To go in with | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
the Conservatives was a big step for the party but it was the right thing | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
to do. In 2010 there was chaos throughout Europe. There was chaos | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
in the economy. Now what we have got is GDP up, unemployment is going | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
down, the prospects are far better. You also have big improvements like | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
tax cuts for those unloading comes, tension rises, many things which if | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
the Tories were running the country on their own would never be done. | :55:02. | :55:08. | |
But at what cost to your party for the future gesture marked up poll in | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
the Sunday Times suggested your ratings have gone down from 19 to | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
7%. That would work out with you losing half of your Scottish MPs. | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
But if you look at the elections across Scotland, in Aberdeen | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
powerboat went up and we overtook the Tories. If Melrose, all these | :55:29. | :55:36. | |
elections, powerboat went up significantly and the others went | :55:36. | :55:43. | |
down. We are making progress in real votes in real elections. I am not | :55:43. | :55:51. | |
pretending that things are smooth. But when we put the message across | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
people understand that we are making a difference to equal slice. There | :55:54. | :56:02. | |
was the U-turn over tuition fees, there is the bedroom tax, we have | :56:02. | :56:11. | |
the Sarah Teather, the MP, saying she will not stand again because she | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
is angry at the progress of the party. What kind of progress is | :56:15. | :56:22. | |
that? We are making progress, in terms of reform, in terms of welfare | :56:22. | :56:31. | |
reform. If we were not there, that would not happen. Is that what the | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
protesters would like, for us not to be involved and to make that | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
difference? We are making a difference on things like cutting | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
tax. There are about 2 million people in Scotland who have no tax | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
bills as a result of us. We have raised the threshold to 10,000 which | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
has made a big difference to ordinary working people. It makes | :56:50. | :56:57. | |
work pay. Another poll in another newspaper suggested that act of this | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
was shifting in their attitude newspaper suggested that act of this | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
towards a coalition with Labour or a confidence and supply agreement with | :57:05. | :57:13. | |
Labour, away from the Conservatives. It is difficult to know what the | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
circumstances will be in 2015. We have worked in Scotland with Labour | :57:17. | :57:24. | |
for nine years. Across Scotland, we form administrations with the SNP in | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
local councils. We are prepared to work with others. What would you | :57:30. | :57:37. | |
like to see, Conservative or Labour? It depends on how may people vote | :57:37. | :57:43. | |
Liberal Democrat in that election. The more people vote Liberal | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
Democrat, the more site we can have. If we can persuade the others | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
to come in form a joint programme, we are prepared to do it. You have | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
that joint programme at the conference over the river just now. | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
You're talking about exposing argument with the Conservatives. Is | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
this just creating some artificial died between the two of you? People | :58:04. | :58:11. | |
need to understand that we are fighting our corner, we are standing | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
up for things. Making sure that things like the green investment | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
bank, which is coming to Edinburgh, was fought for by the Liberal | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
Democrats. There's no in hiding it. Get out there and tell people how we | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
are making a difference. We're not there to drop the Conservatives, | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
were there ensure the Liberal Democrats are delivering policies | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
and we are stopping them from doing Democrats are delivering policies | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
their worst. You're going to be addressing the delegates this | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
afternoon, but as you fight your corn in the argument about | :58:46. | :58:48. | |
independence, where is the argument about more powers. And? The Liberal | :58:48. | :58:55. | |
Democrats say they want federalism, but why can't the UK Government is | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
more powers for Scotland after the referendum? Listen to Nick Clegg | :59:00. | :59:06. | |
this weekend and the CPI event earlier this month. He made it clear | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
that in 2015 the Liberal Democrats will be campaigning in the manifesto | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
for home rule in a federal UK. We think Ed Miliband and David Cameron | :59:16. | :59:22. | |
should hold their hands up and say they will commit to more powers as | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
well. We are leading the way on this. If you look at the polls and | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
listen to the people on the door is this. If you look at the polls and | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
what they say is that they want to reject independence, because they | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
want to stay in partnership, but they want more powers over the | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
domestic agenda. They want more financial power and more | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
constitutional power. I think we are developed in a consensus. You look | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
at some of the think tank, some of the academic, who are arguing this | :59:50. | :59:56. | |
is where the common ground is. We think we can get Labour and the | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
Conservatives to join us on it. Why can you not come to some common | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
ground in the UK Government and make that kind of offering to the people | :00:05. | :00:14. | |
of Scotland? You have to take a step at a time. What we are committing to | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
is to do more after the referendum. Now does not mean no change, it | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
means more change will stop but within the United Kingdom, because | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
the UK is good for Scotland. As a decentralising party, we want power | :00:34. | :00:45. | |
to be in the nations. A great concern to many people in rural | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
communities in Scotland is the privatisation of the Royal Mail. And | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
they are represented by Liberal Democrat MPs in many parts of | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
Scotland. How can you MPs be agreeing to this? They will not lose | :00:58. | :01:05. | |
out. The universal service guarantee is in law and will remain. It brings | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
more money into the Royal Mail. For years and a Labour in decline. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
Thousands of job were lost, post offices closed. We have protected | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
sub post offices and we are investing in the Roma. This will be | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
good for Royal Mail, it will make flourish. If you just stay as you | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
are, it will stagnate. We need to invest 81 of the best mail services | :01:33. | :01:42. | |
in in the whole world. Let's cross now for the news, with Clive Myrie | :01:42. | :01:51. | |
and Graham Stewart. Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says victory for either | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
the Conservatives or Labour at the next election would put at risk the | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
economic recovery. Speaking at the Liberal Democrat annual conference | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
he said it would allow the government to finish the job of | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
repairing the economy fairly. If we go back to the bad old days, not of | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
coalition and balance politics, but of either the left or right | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
dominating government on their own, you will get a recovery that is | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
neither fair nor sustainable. I think Labour would wreck that | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
recovery and under the Conservatives you get the wrong kind of recovery. | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
219-year-old women arrested after fatal stabbing in Leicester Thursday | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
have been released without charge. Police are trying to discover if | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
there is a link between the killing and fired nearby. Five people in all | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
still being questioned in with the blaze. A Syrian government minister | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
has described the agreement drawn up by America and Russia to displace of | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
his country chemical weapons as a victory. The minister claims that | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
the deal helps the Syrians out of a crisis and adverts war. The US | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
Secretary of State is in Israel to brief the Prime Minister Binyamin | :03:07. | :03:18. | |
Netanyahu on the proposal. Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
winning his first half marathon by around one second. He was taking | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
part in the Great North Run between Newcastle and South Shields. He was | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
the favourite following his two gold medals at the world Championships. | :03:33. | :03:41. | |
He lost out in a split finish. A carnival atmosphere in Newcastle for | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
the start of the 33rd rate North run. Thousands limbered up and for | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
some it was about the challenge, for others simply dressing up for fun. I | :03:50. | :03:57. | |
am walking it, so I have no time in mind, I just want to get round, | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
enjoy it, and appreciated the crowds. Both these athletes, today's | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
race was about who would be first over the line. Despite the wind and | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
rain, large crowds turned out for the world 's most popular half | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
marathon, which attracts some of the finest women's runners as well. | :04:18. | :04:25. | |
There were high hopes for Britain's double Olympic champion Mo Farah. | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
After a long sprint finish, he was narrowly beaten by an Ethiopian | :04:29. | :04:39. | |
runner. It was a great race, it was a great finish. When he went with a | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
mile to go I thought the pace was ridiculous and I thought I could | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
come back and close the gap. You cannot take away what he has, he has | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
great read. Wheelchair athlete David Weir won his race for a fourth time. | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
More than £200 million has been raised since the Great North Run | :04:59. | :05:07. | |
began. That is it for now. Though be more News at 6:50pm. | :05:08. | :05:16. | |
The first Minister Alex Salmond has called for a moratorium on the | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
privatisation of Royal Mail until after the independence referendum. | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
The service has undergone that people with job losses and price | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
rises in recent years. Alex Salmond said privatisation could have a | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
serious impact on the Scottish economy. I am demanding of the Prime | :05:38. | :05:49. | |
Minister that he has a moratorium on the sale to allow the people of | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
Scotland to decide what we want to do with our share of that great | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
national asset. A young Scottish woman held in a | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
Peruvian jail on suspicion of trying to smuggle £1.5 million worth of | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
cocaine is reported to be preparing to plead guilty in exchange for a | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
short sentence. Melissa Reid told a Sunday newspaper that she hopes a | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
plea deal will allow her to return home in three years. She is also | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
expected to apply to serve her sentence in a prison in the UK. | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
The weather is causing disruption. Ferry passengers are being advised | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
to check for delays and cancellations. There are also | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
warnings of high winds on the Forth and Tay bridges. You is the full | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
weather forecast. We are brightening up this | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
afternoon. We have lost the persistent rain to the South East. | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
The Met office still has a warning for deal force winds across many | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
parts. This afternoon there will be some heavy showers. More in the way | :06:52. | :07:01. | |
of sunshine for the East but there is still wind gusting to deal force. | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
In the east we will see the best of the sunshine and the top | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
temperature. This evening we keep a feed of showers coming in across | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
western parts. Drier and clearer in the East but that will be a cold | :07:18. | :07:29. | |
night everywhere. The Autumn term at Westminster has | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
begun. There is a big year ahead for independence campaigners. | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
I am now joined by Ian Blackford from the SNP and Pauline McNeill | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
from Labour. Welcome to you both. Let us look at the headlines in the | :07:50. | :08:04. | |
Sunday newspapers. Quite a stark page there. How | :08:04. | :08:14. | |
important is this anniversary as it where for campaigners? This is the | :08:14. | :08:23. | |
marathon towards the vote next September. There is a great deal of | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
excitement about the importance of the decision we will all take next | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
year. As part of that we should be having a debate on the kind of | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
society we want. How do we create economic role? How do we deliver | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
social services in Scotland? These things should be central to the | :08:42. | :08:55. | |
debate. Talking about the people of Scotland, is this debate going | :08:55. | :09:04. | |
beyond that? One person is quoted as saying he will wait until two weeks | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
before the referendum to make up his mind. This is a critical stage in | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
the run-up to the referendum. The fact that it is one year will make | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
people sit up and realise there is a decision to be made. In the coming | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
year people will want politicians to come out of that bubble. They will | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
want clarity around the consequences. The publication of the | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
White Paper is a very important point for the yes campaign. That is | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
the time you need to set out with some clarity what it will mean going | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
independent in relation to pensions, welfare, all of these | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
issues. People want to trust the information on both sides. This is a | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
Big Issue. He wants to be able to trust the issue on the no campaign. | :09:52. | :10:09. | |
Can you give us an insight into what the campaigners are thinking? When | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
you look at the opinion polls you can see it is all to play for. A lot | :10:16. | :10:23. | |
of people have not decided. People want information. What are the | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
consequences of Scotland going independent? Those of us on the yes | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
side have got to spell out with clarity how we will deliver economic | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
growth and social services in a fair Scotland that we believe people | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
should aspire to. It is important that the no side also shows how they | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
perceive Scotland within the UK. I hope we go beyond talking about | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
process and that we have a more details debate on the kind of | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
society that we all aspire to on both sides. We have two remain | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
positive. We have to show that we can make a difference and that we | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
can protect those in our society from policies such as the bedroom | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
tax. You pay for that by making sure that you can deliver sustainable | :11:10. | :11:17. | |
economic growth. What are the strategists on the no side saying? | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
There is a clear lead in the opinion polls. I agree with Alistair | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
Darling. He is taking a cautious approach to this campaign. He | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
acknowledged that the voters are quite fluid in their approach to how | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
they vote. That is the right approach. We cannot take the results | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
were granted. An important opinion poll today shows that voters who are | :11:46. | :11:59. | |
going to vote no also want change. In the coming months the Labour | :11:59. | :12:08. | |
Commission on devolution will be important because it will fill in | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
some of the gaps about how we would bring about change. There will be no | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
complacency in our campaign even though we clearly have a Leeds. Let | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
us turn our attention to the Lib Dem conference across the river. Nick | :12:23. | :12:33. | |
Clegg said, we took a hit but we did it for Britain. | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
The Lib Dems have been damaged by going into Coalition. When you hear | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
some of the stories coming out today, they are having to defend the | :12:45. | :12:59. | |
bedroom tax, they are backing the privatisation of Royal Mail, it does | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
that the Liberal Democrats in Scotland are in big trouble. -- it | :13:05. | :13:12. | |
does highlight that the Liberal Democrats in Scotland are in big | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
trouble. The bedroom tax has become a political football. The starting | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
point is that Labour and the SNP are opposed to the bedroom tax. At | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
Labour opposed to it? I knew you were going to ask me that. It is | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
quite clear that if there is a Scottish Labour Government it would | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
abolish the bedroom tax. The reason the Scottish Parliament exists is | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
that it can mitigate some of the policies of a Labour Government. It | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
is within the needs of the SNP to completely deal with this. As far as | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
the Labour position on this is concerned, you need to watch this | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
space. They need to develop a policy for 2015. Labour are clearly opposed | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
to the bedroom tax. The Liberal Democrats are clearly not. They are | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
struggling to call themselves the party for fairness here. That is all | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
for this week. We are back at 1130 AM next week. Goodbye. | :14:12. | :14:17. |