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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Fears that Ukraine | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
could face invasion escalate this morning as Russian forces take | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
control of Crimea. President Obama and his European allies tell | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
President Putin to back off. It doesn't sound like he's listening. | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
Shadow Education Secretary Tristram Hunt has started spelling out | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
Labour's plans for schools. So what's the verdict - full marks, or | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
must try harder? He joins us for the Sunday Interview. And all the big | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
political parties are desperate to broaden their appeal. We'll look at | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
some unusual ideas for freshening up those tired old party logos. | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
And coming up on Sunday Politics Scotland: As the new interactive | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
visitor centre at Bannockburn opens its doors, we ask whether concerns | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
over the commemoration event are justified. | :01:22. | :01:46. | |
Nick Watt, Helen Lewis and Janan Ganesh. Instead of acceptance | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
speeches they'll be tweeting faster than the tears roll down Gwyneth | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
Paltrow's face. Yes, that's as luvvie as we get on this show. | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
Events have been moving quickly in Ukraine this weekend. The interim | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
government in Kiev has put the Ukrainian military on full combat | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
alert after Russia's parliament rubber-stamped the deployment of | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
Russian troops anywhere in Ukraine. Russian troops seem already to be in | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
control of the mainly Russian-speaking Crimea region, | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
where Russia has a massive naval base. President Obama told President | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
Putin that Russia has flouted international law by sending in | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
Russian troops but the Kremlin is taking no notice. This is now | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
turning into the worst stand-off between Russia and the West since | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
the conflict between Georgia and Russia in 2008, though nobody | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
expects any kind of military response from the West. Foreign | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
Secretary William Hague is on his way to Kiev this morning to show his | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
support for the new government, though how long it will survive is | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
another matter. We can speak to our correspondent David Stern, he's in | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
Kiev. As things look from Kiev, can we | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
take it they've lost Crimea, it is now in all essence under Russian | :03:01. | :03:08. | |
control? Yes, well for the moment, Crimea is under Russian control. | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Russian troops in unmarked uniforms have moved throughout the peninsula | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
taking up various positions, also at the Ismis which links Ukraine into | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
Crimea. They've surrounded Ukrainon troops there. Three units have been | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
captured according to a top officials. We can say at the moment | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Russia controls the peninsula. It should also be said, also they have | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
the support of the ethnic Russian population. The ethnic Russians make | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
up the majority of the population. They are also not entirely in | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
control because there are other groups, namely the Tatar as and the | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
ethnic Ukrainian speakers who are at least at the moment tacitly | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
resisting. We'll see what they'll start to do in the coming days. | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
David, I'm putting up some pictures showing Russian troops digging in on | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
the border between Crimea and Ukraine. I get the sense that is | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
just for show. There is, I would assume, no possibility that the | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
Ukrainians could attempt to retake Crimea by military force? It seems | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
that the Ukrainians are weighing their options right now. Their | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
options are very limited. Any head-to-head conflict with Russia | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
would probably work against the Ukrainians. They seem to be taking | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
more of a long-term gain. They are waiting for the figs's first move. | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
They are trying not to create any excuse that the Russians can stage | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
an even larger incursion into Crimea or elsewhere, for that matter. They | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
also seem to be trying to get international support. It should be | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
said, this is a new Government. It has only been installed this week. | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
They are trying to gain their footing. This is a major crisis. | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
They have to count on the loyalty of the army they might have some | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
resistance from solders from the eastern part of the country who are | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
Russian speaking. They probably could count on Ukrainian speakers | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
and people from the centre and west of the country as well as regular | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Ukrainians. A lot of people are ready to fight to defend Ukrainian | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
Terre Tory. Where does the Kremlin go next? They have Crimea to all | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
intents and purposes. There's a weak Government in Kiev. Do they move to | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
the eastern side of Ukraine which is largely Russian speaking and there's | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
already been some unrest there? That's the big question, that's what | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
everybody's really asking now. Where does this go from here? We've had | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
some unrest in the eastern part of the country. There have been | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
demonstrations and clashes. More ominously, there have been noises | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
from the Kremlin they might actually move into eastern Ukraine. Putin in | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
his conversation with Barack Obama said they might protect their | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
interests there. It should be said, if they do expand, in fact, they've | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
also said they are dead against the new Government seeing it as | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
illegitimate and fascist. It does contain risks. They will have to | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
deal with international reactions. America said there will be a deep | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
reaction to this and it will affect Russia's relations with Ukraine and | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
the international community. They have to deal with the reaction in | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
Ukraine. This may unite Ukrainians behind this new interim Government. | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
Once Russia moves in, they will be seen as an invading force. It plays | :06:57. | :07:04. | |
on historical feelings of Russia being an imperial force. | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
Joining me is MP Mark Field who sits on the security Security and | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
Intelligence Committee in the House of Commons. What should the western | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
response be to these events? I can understand why William Hague is | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
going to Kiev tomorrow to stand side by side whizz whoever's in charge. | :07:27. | :07:34. | |
They need to CEOP sit numbers and also President Putin. The truth is | :07:35. | :07:43. | |
we are all co significant fatries to the Budapest Memorandum of almost 20 | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
years ago which was designed to maintain the integrity of the | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
Ukraine and Crimea. There needs to be a discussion along those lines. | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
The difficulty is President Putin has watched events in recent months, | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
in relation to Syria, it is palpable President Obama's focus of attention | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
ask the other side of the Pacific rather than the Atlantic. The vote | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
in the House of Commons, I was very much against the idea of military | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
action or providing weapons to the free Syrian army. My worry is, | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
events proved this, the majority of the other options toed as sad are | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
rather worse. It is clear now we are in a constitutional mess in this | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
country. We cannot even contemplate military action without a | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
parliamentary vote that moves against quick reaction that is | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
required from the executive or, I suspect, there will be very little | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
appetite for any military action from the West over in Ukraine. We | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
are corn tours under the agreement of less than 20 years ago. We may be | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
but we've guaranteed an agreement which it is clear we haven't the | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
power to enforce. You wrote this morning, Britain is a diminished | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
voice. Clams Iley navigating the Syrian conflict we relick wished | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
decisions to the whims of parliamentary approval. That may or | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
may not be but the Kremlin's not watching how we voted on the Syrian | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
issue? In relation to Syria, it was where is the western resolve here. | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
The truth ask Putin's position is considerably less strong. In | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
diplomatic terms. He had a victory in Syria in relation to chemical | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
weapons and in relation to the West's relationship with Iran. Putin | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
is a vital inter locking figure. In demographic and economic terms, | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
Russia's in very deep trouble. The oil price started to fall to any | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
degree, oil and gas price, given the importance of mineral wealth and | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
exports for the Russian economy, Putin would be in a lot of trouble. | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
It requires an engagement from the EU and the EU are intending to look | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
at their internal economic problems and will be smarting from the | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
failure within a matter of hours of the deal they tried to broker only | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
nine days' ago. You say if Mr Putin decides to | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
increase the stakes and moves into the east, takes over the whole | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
place, our Government, you say, will find itself with another colossal | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
international headache. Some people watching this will be thinking, | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
what's it got to do with us? It's a long way away from Britain. We | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
haven't a dog in this fight? We have in this regard for the longer term | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
here. I think if there were to be some military action in Ukraine, the | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
sense of Russia taking over, it could have a major impact on the | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
global economy in very quick order. You should not deny that. There will | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
be move to have sanctions against Russia. The escalation of that will | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
be difficult. The other fact is looking at our internal affairs and | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
reform, partners, the Baltic states, Finland, Poland, the Czech Republic, | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
they will be looking at a resurgent Russia now and think they'll need to | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
hold as tightly as possible to the EU institutions and the power of | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
Germany at the centre of that. This whole appetite for the reforms | :11:38. | :11:46. | |
politically and economically will be closed very much within a matter of | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
a short period of time. It has longer term implications. Mark | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
Field, thank you. We're joined now by BBC News night's | :11:55. | :12:03. | |
Diplomatic Editor Mark Urban. Is there any prospect of a western | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
military response? Clearly at the moment, it is nil. The boat has | :12:09. | :12:17. | |
sailed with the Crimean. It has been per performed by Russian forces. It | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
is now a matter of coordinating a plate cal line. European foreign | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
ministers tomorrow. To say what will our future limits be? Where could we | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
possibly draw red lines? To try to think a couple of steps down this, | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
what happens if Russia interrupts energy supplies to EU member states | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
ornate owe countries? These are the important steps they have to think | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
about. It is quite clear we are in a different world here now. Also, | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
Ukraine is facing a urgent foreign exchange crisis. Within literally a | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
few weeks they could run out of money. All of these are rushing | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
towards decision makers very fast. There is an interim and I suggestion | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
unstable Government in Kiev. Crimea semi-to be under Russian control. | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
There are clashes between the reformers and Russian nationals in | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
the east of the country. What does Mr Putin do next? He has lots of | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
options, of course. He has this carte blanch carte blanch from his | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
Parliament to go in to the rest of Ukraine if he wants to. His military | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
deployment suggests the one bite at a time, just Crimea to start with. | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
See what response comes from the Ukrainian Government. Of course, so | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
far, there hasn't been a coherent response. The really worrying thing | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
about recent months, not just recent days, are the indications that the | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
future of Ukraine as a unitary state is now in doubt. Look at it from the | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
other side of the equation. The President when faced with | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
demonstrations, many extremists, he was unable to deal with that. Now we | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
have the other side, if you like, the Russian speakers, the other side | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
of the fight, Russian nationalists showing they can get away with | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
unilateral action more or less with impunity. The Ukrainian chiefs have | :14:17. | :14:25. | |
been sacked. I think there are considerable questions now as to | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
whether Ukraine is falling apart and, if that happens, we're into a | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
Yugoslav-type situation which will continue posing very serious | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
questions for the EU and NATO for months or years to come. So, Janan, | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
Ukraine is over? Where the west to concede to the Russian in Crimea, it | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
would perversely be a net loss for Russia. You'd assume the rest of | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
Ukraine would become an un unambiguously a member of the the | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
EU, maybe NATO. On top of that a Russian dream of Eurasion dream, | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
they will look at Putin's behaviour and is a, no, thanks, we'll head | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
towards the EU. It is a short-term victory for Putin which backfires on | :15:20. | :15:32. | |
his broader goals in Well, many people said if he grabs Crimea, he | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
loses Ukraine, which is your point. We have seen violent demonstrations | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
in the big eastern cities in Ukraine yesterday. People taking control of | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
certain buildings. The risk is there of spreading beyond Crimea. I think | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
the lack of any unified or visible response from Ukrainian armed | :15:55. | :15:56. | |
forces... They allowed Russian troops to walk into the bases in | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
Crimea. They have supposedly gone on red alert but they have done | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
absolutely nothing. We don't see them deploying from barracks. There | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
are serious questions about whether they would just fall apart. Putin is | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
not going to let them split away. I would have thought he would like the | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
entire Ukraine to come into the Russian ambit. Barack Obama is | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
saying this will not stand. He has a 90 minute conversation with Vladimir | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
Putin and what is his response? I am suspending my cooperation in the | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
run-up to the Sochi Summit. What is the EU doing? Nothing. There is | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
nothing they can do and Putin knows there are a series of lines that he | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
is able to cross and get away with it. Why should Berlin, London, | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
Washington be surprised by the strength of Vladimir Putin's | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
reaction? It was never going to let Ukraine just fall into the arms of | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
the EU. That is the interesting point. And who does he listen to? | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
Paddy Ashdown was saying sent Angela Merkel because she is the only | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
person who can talk to him and I find that response worrying. We need | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
to speak with a united voice but nobody knows what we should be | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
saying. Military intervention is out for the West so we go to economic | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
sanctions. Doesn't Vladimir Putin just say, oh, you want sanctions? I | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
have turned off the gas tap. Yes, it is move and countermove, and it is | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
difficult to predict where it will end up. In all these meetings that | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
are being held, they do think a step or two ahead and try and set out | :17:40. | :18:13. | |
clear lines. Thank you for coming in this morning. | :18:14. | :18:14. | |
Labour has been struggling since 2010 to decide exactly how to take | :18:15. | :18:16. | |
education secretary Michael Gove, one of the boldest reformers of the | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
coalition and most divisive figures. Ed Miliband appointed TV historian | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
Tristram Hunt and many thought Labour had found the man to teach | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
Michael Gove a lesson. But how much do we really know about the party's | :18:25. | :18:26. | |
plans for England's schools? Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are a | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
devolved matter. Child has been back to school to find out. A politician | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
once told me, do you know why education secretaries changed | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
schools? Because they can. Michael Gove might dispute the motive but he | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
is changing schools, like this one. The changes he is ringing in our | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
encouraging them to be academies, free from local authorities to | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
control their own budgets, ushering in free schools, focusing on | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
toughening exams and making them the core of the curriculum with less | :18:43. | :18:44. | |
coursework, and offering heads more discretion on tougher discipline. | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
And he is in a hurry to put all this in place. But has that shut out any | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
chance for a Labour Government to change it all themselves and do they | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
really want to? Any questions? Visiting a different school, first | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
in line to get a crack at that would-be Labour's third shadow | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
education secretary since 2010, Tristram Hunt. In post, he has not | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
been taken about fine tuning previous direct opposition to free | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
schools and he has also suggested teachers in England would have to be | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
licensed under a Labour Government, allowing the worst to be sacked and | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
offering training and development to others and of course ending | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
coalition plans to allow unqualified teachers into classrooms. Full | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
policy detail is still unmarked work. Your opinion about evolution? | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
What is very clear is that Labour's education policy is still evolving. | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
We are learning that they have some clear water, but we also seem, from | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
the sting at the back, to get the feeling that there is not a great | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
deal of difference from them and the current Government on types of | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
schools and the way education should proceed. -- from listening at the | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
back. So what exactly is different about their policy? What Tristram | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
Hunt's job is to do is to be open and honest about the shared agenda | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
between us and the Tories. There are a lot of areas where there is clear | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
water between us and Tristram Hunt as to turn his back, shared agenda, | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
stop fighting it, and forge our agenda, which I think people will be | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
really interested in. The art of Government, of course, is to balance | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
competing pictures of policy, even inside your own party. It is fair to | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
say that if Labour reflects and draws its own visions of a shared | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
agenda, it might have to square that idea with teaching unions, who are | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
already unhappy with the pace and tone of change that the Government | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
had sketched out. What we sincerely hope is that if Labour were to form | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
the next Government, that they would look at a serious review of | :20:58. | :21:20. | |
accountability measures. That is really what ways on teachers every | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
single day. Actually they would look at restoring the possibility, for | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
example, of local councillors to be able to open schools. That seems | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
eminently sensible. If they are not going to move back from the free | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
schools and academies programme, at the very least they need to say that | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
academy chains will be inspected because at the moment they are not. | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
Labour have balls in the air on education and are still throwing | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
around precise policy detail. There are areas that they could grab hold | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
of and seize possession. A focus on the rounding of the people, | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
developing character, the impact of digitalisation on the classroom. | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
Also the role and handling of teachers in the system and the | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
interdependence of schools. That is all still to play for. Currently I | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
think the difference between the parties is that the coalition | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
policies, while we do not agree with all of them, are clear and explicit, | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
and Labour's policies are yet to be formulated in a way that everybody | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
can understand clearly. I don't think that Tristram Hunt or Miliband | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
will want to pick unnecessary fights before the election. I think we will | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
have quite a red, pinkish fuzziness around the whole area of policy but | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
after the election there will be grey steel from Tristram Hunt. But | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
if fuzzy policy before the election is the lesson plan, it does rather | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
risk interested voters being left in the dark. | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
Tristram Hunt joins me now for the Sunday interview. | :22:40. | :22:51. | |
Welcome. Thank you. Which of Michael Gove's school reforms would you | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
repeal? We are not interested in throwing a change for the sake of | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
it. When I go round schools, teachers have been through very | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
aggressive changes in the last three years, so when it comes to some of | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
the curriculum reforms we have seen, we are not interested in changing | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
those for the sake of it. Where we are interested in making change is | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
having a focus on technical and vocational education, making sure | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
that the forgotten 15% is properly addressed in our education system. | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
What we saw in your package was an interesting description of how we | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
have seen structural reforms in the names of schools. Academies, free | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
schools, all the rest of it. International evidence is clear that | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
it is the quality of leadership of the headteachers and the quality of | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
teaching in the classroom that transforms the prospects of young | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
people. Instead of tinkering around the names of schools, we focus on | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
teacher quality. Viewers will be shocked to note that this Government | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
approves of unqualified teachers in the classroom. We want to have fully | :23:51. | :24:05. | |
qualified, passionate, motivated teachers in the classroom. It sounds | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
like you might not repeal anything. You might build on it and you might | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
go in a different direction, with more emphasis on technological | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
education but no major repeal of the reforms of Michael Gove? I don't | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
think you want to waste energy on undoing reforms. In certain | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
situations they build on Labour Party policy. We introduced the | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
sponsored academy programmes and we began the Teach First programmes, | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
and we began the London challenge which transformed the educational | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
prospects of children in London. We want to roll that out across the | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
country. You have said there will be no more free schools, which Michael | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
Gove introduced, but you will allow parents let academies, which just | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
means free schools by a different name. No, because they will be in | :24:47. | :24:56. | |
certain areas. We want to create new schools with parents. What we have | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
at the moment is a destructive and market-driven approach to | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
education. I was in Stroud on Thursday and plans for a big new | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
school, in an area with surplus places, threatened to destroy the | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
viability of local, rural schools. We want schools to work together in | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
a network of partnership and challenge, rather than this | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
destructive market-driven approach. You say that, but your version of | :25:21. | :25:46. | |
free schools, I think, would only be allowed where there is a shortage of | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
places. That means that where there is an excess of bad schools, parents | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
will have no choice. They still have to send their kids to bad schools. | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
And we have to transform bad schools and that was always the Labour way | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
in Government. At the moment we just have an insertion of new schools. | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
Schools currently underperforming are now underperforming even more. | :26:00. | :26:01. | |
Children only have one chance at education. What about their time in | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
school? Our focus is on the leadership of the headteacher and | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
having quality teachers in the classroom. So they cannot set up new | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
better schools and they have to go to the bad schools. Tony Blair said | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
it should be easier for parents to set up new schools where they are | :26:12. | :26:13. | |
dissatisfied with existing schools. You are not saying that. Even where | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
they are dissatisfied with existing schools, they cannot set up free | :26:18. | :26:20. | |
schools and you are reneging on that. We live in difficult economic | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
circumstances where we have got to focus public finances on the areas | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
of absolute need. We need 250,000 new school places. 150,000 in London | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
alone. We have to focus on building new schools and where we have to put | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
them. And secondly... Absolutely not. Focusing on those schools. | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
Making sure we turned them around, just as we did in Government. We | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
have had a remarkable degree of waste under the free school | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
programme. If you think of the free school in Derby, the Academy in | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
Bradford, and as we saw in the Telegraph on Friday, the free | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
schools in Suffolk, a great deal of waste of public money on | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
underperforming free schools. That is not the Labour way. We focus on | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
making sure that kids in schools at the moment get the best possible | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
education. Except that in your own backyard, in Stoke, only 34% of | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
secondary school pupils attend a good or outstanding school. 148 out | :27:26. | :27:33. | |
of 150 of the worst performing local authorities and it is | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Labour-controlled. Still terrible schools and yet you say parents | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
should not have the freedom to start a better school. We have great | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
schools in Stoke-on-Trent as well. We face challenges, just as | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
schools in Stoke-on-Trent as well. Wolverhampton does and the Isle of | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
Wight and Lincolnshire. Just like large parts of the country. What is | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
the solution to that? Making sure we share excellence among the existing | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
schools and making sure we have quality leadership in schools. Those | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
schools in Stoke-on-Trent are all academies. It is not a question only | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
of structure but of leadership. It is also a question of going back to | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
the responsibility of parents to make sure their kids are school | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
ready when they get to school. To make sure they are reading to their | :28:16. | :28:50. | |
children in the evening. We can't put it all on teachers. Parents have | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
responsibilities. I understand that but you have told me Labour's policy | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
would not be to set up new schools which parents hope will be better. | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
Parents continue to send their kids to bad schools in areas like Stoke. | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
Labour has had plenty of time to sort out these schools in Stoke and | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
they are still among the worst performing in the country. You are | :29:04. | :29:05. | |
condemning these parents to having to send their kids to bad schools. | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
Where we have seen the sett ing up of Derby, Suffolk, we have seen that | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
is not the simple solution. Is simply setting up a new is not a | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
successful model. What works is good leadership. I was in Birmingham on | :29:15. | :29:16. | |
Friday at a failing comprehensive is not a successful model. What works | :29:17. | :29:17. | |
Friday at a failing comprehensive is is good leadership. I was in | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
Birmingham on Friday at a failing comprehensive school and now people | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
are queueing round the block to get into it. You can turn around schools | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
with the right leadership, passionate and motivated teachers, | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
and parents engaged with the learning outcome of their kids. In | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
the last few years of the Labour Government, only four kids from your | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
this Government would set up the new school. In Birmingham, they got in a | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
great headmaster and turned the school around and now people are | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
queueing round the block to get into it. You can turnaround schools with | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
the right leadership, passionate and motivated teachers, and parents | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
engaged with the learning outcome of their kids. In the last few years of | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
a Labour Government, only four kids from your area of and you had plenty | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
of chances to put this right but only four got to the two and you had | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
plenty of chances to put this right but only four got to the two leading | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
universities. Traditionally young people could leave school at 16 and | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
walking two jobs in the potteries, the steel industry, the | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
traditionally young people could leave school at 16 and walking two | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
jobs in the potteries, the steel industry, the but also to get an | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
apprenticeship at Jaguar Land Rover, JCB, Rolls-Royce. That is why | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
Ed Miliband's focus on the forgotten 15%, which we have just not seen | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
from this Government, focusing on technical and vocational pathways, | :30:30. | :30:40. | |
is fundamental to Your headmaster was guiles Slaughter. Was he a good | :30:41. | :30:56. | |
teacher? He He never taught me. Over 90% of teeners in the private | :30:57. | :31:04. | |
sector are qualified. They look for not simply teachers with qualified | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
teacher status. Teachers with MAs. Teachers who are improving them | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
cephalitis. Becoming better educators. | :31:12. | :31:20. | |
cephalitis. Becoming better teaching. You were taught by | :31:21. | :31:21. | |
unqualified teachers. Your parents paid over ?15,000 a year for you | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
being taught by unqualified teachers. Why did you make such a | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
big deal of it? Because we've seen right around the world those | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
education systems which focus on having the most qualified teachers | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
perform the best. It cannot be right that anyone can simply turn up, as | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
at the moment, have schools at veritising for unqualified teachers | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
teaching in the classroom. We want the best qualified teachers with the | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
deepest subject knowledge, for the passion in learning for their kids. | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
It is absurd we are having arguments about this. Simply having a paper | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
qualification doesn't make you a great teacher. Let me take you to | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
Brighton college. It is gone from the 147th to the 18 18th best | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
private school in the land. Fllt the headmaster says: | :32:21. | :32:35. | |
This is the top Sundaytimes school of the year. The school in derby | :32:36. | :32:48. | |
where this Government allowed unqualified teaching assist taints. | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
We had teachers who could barely speak English. That is because if | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
you have unqualified teachers you end up with a dangerous situation. | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
The problem with that school was not unqualified teachers. People were | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
running that school who were unfit to run a school. We have an issue | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
about discipline and behaviour management in some of our schools. | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
Some of the skills teachers gain through qualifications and learning | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
is how to manage classes and get the best out of kids at every stage. It | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
doesn't end with a qualified teacher status. That's just the beginning. | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
We want our teachers to have continue it will development. | :33:28. | :33:49. | |
You have taught as an unqualified teacher. I am delighted to do it. We | :33:50. | :34:07. | |
want unqualified teachers to gain qualified teacher status. If they | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
are not interested in deepening the knowledge I do not think they should | :34:15. | :34:24. | |
be in the classroom. But if a school has hired a teacher knowing that | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
they were unqualified, they would be in breach of the law? They are being | :34:32. | :34:40. | |
urged by us to make sure they have qualified teacher status. But if | :34:41. | :34:48. | |
they say they do not want to do it, will you fire them? Teachers should | :34:49. | :34:58. | |
have the qualifications to teach and inspire our young people, | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
particularly when we face global competition. He finds inspiring | :35:04. | :35:17. | |
teachers who do not necessarily have a teaching qualification. It is | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
different teaching nice young boys and girls in Brighton than teaching | :35:24. | :35:35. | |
different children with behavioural and educational needs. Do you think | :35:36. | :35:45. | |
that somebody called Tristram Hunt could ever lead the Labour Party. | :35:46. | :35:53. | |
Somebody called Ed is leading the Labour Party. It is great that David | :35:54. | :36:05. | |
Owen is back with us. Have you thought of switching to Tommy or | :36:06. | :36:16. | |
Tony? There is a long history in the party of people with funny names and | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
via love the Labour Party is that it accepts everybody including me. | :36:21. | :36:28. | |
You're watching The Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in | :36:29. | :36:30. | |
Scotland who leave us now for Sunday Politics Scotland. | :36:31. | :36:39. | |
Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up on the | :36:40. | :36:51. | |
programme. Join me on the battlefield of Bannockburn were | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
conflict has broken out. We'll be asking if the strategy is right for | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
success. And the thorny question over whether Doctor Who will be | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
regenerated in a post-independence Scotland. Bannockburn is the | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
"birthplace of the modern nation". The First Minister said that when | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
the new visitor centre opened this week. In just four months' time, | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
thousands of people are expected to assemble there for Bannockburn Live | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
to commemorate the event. But organisers are bearing the scars of | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
their own battles already, as questions are raised about a low | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
level of ticket sales and marketing, the tourist board's accountability | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
and concerns over the clash with Armed Forces Day, which is also | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
taking place in Stirling. Andrew Kerr has been to the battlefield to | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
find out more. The creation of a nation. Bannockburn that paved the | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
way for Scotland to secure its independence. 700 years later a new | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
visitor centre opened at this weekend and in June, the battlefield | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
will echo once more with Bannockburn Live. There are concerns the event | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
is being diluted and it will last for two days rather than three. | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
20,000 tickets are now available rather than the 45,001st planned. | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
The convener of the standing counsel of Scottish chiefs says that the | :38:13. | :38:21. | |
scheduling could put people off, particularly clansmen from abroad. | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
It has caused confusion amongst our friends overseas as to what is going | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
on because they need a clear-cut plan because they are buying air | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
tickets, booking accommodation, closing up their own homes in | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
Colorado or California and come here. It causes confusion and that | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
is nothing worse than a confused ancestral Scottish tourists because | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
they are the ones putting the money into this. It is a highly | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
politicised atmosphere and the pro union Stirling council leadership | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
deny hijacking an event some perceive as being pro-independence. | :39:10. | :39:17. | |
No one from stumbling Counsel was available but they did release a | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
statement saying that an application and be made last year to host the | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
even bigger and more spectacular Armed Forces Day event. It seems | :39:25. | :39:36. | |
that The National Trust gratefully handed over the administration to | :39:37. | :39:47. | |
Visit Scotland. But there is a feeling amongst some parties they | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
are being kept in the dark by the tourists board. It is concerning | :39:51. | :39:59. | |
that ticket sales have not gone well so far and the Scottish tunes on the | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
street is relying on it being a success and it will be very | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
disappointing if it does not live up to expectations. Concerns have been | :40:07. | :40:17. | |
expressed about low levels of marketing. In 2009, the organisers | :40:18. | :40:31. | |
of the Gathering event went to Northern America and promoted the | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
event and went around with leaflets and the like promoting the event. I | :40:39. | :40:46. | |
am not sure of Visit Scotland and the people organising Bannockburn | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
have actually done that. Visit Scotland says you cannot compare the | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
two events and are happy to address all the concerns and confident the | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
event will be happy and successful. It was always the case that | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
promotional committee would be built up as we work towards the event | :41:06. | :41:15. | |
itself. The largest tickets have already sold out 90% of the | :41:16. | :41:24. | |
allocation. All the indications are that ticket sales will go well as we | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
read up to the event. There may be dissent in the ranks and frequent | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
skirmishes then all will no doubt get behind the Bruce. Well, a little | :41:34. | :41:44. | |
earlier, I spoke to Bruce Crawford who is the SNP MSP for Stirling and | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
asked if he had concerns over the Bannockburn Live event. I have no | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
concerns, this will be a fantastic weekend and people should be excited | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
about this. On a Friday evening there will be uptight festival -- a | :41:55. | :42:09. | |
pipe Festival and the largest ever battlefield re-enactment. There will | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
be a storytelling area and a kitchen, and a armoury. It will be a | :42:18. | :42:28. | |
great event and something to get really excited about. What has gone | :42:29. | :42:38. | |
wrong with the organisation? Nothing has gone wrong. There has been a | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
transfer from National Trust for Scotland and Historic Scotland and | :42:44. | :42:52. | |
ticket sales are going well. We have not even got to the launch event yet | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
which is in two weeks time. It is a fantastic opportunity. I was at an | :43:00. | :43:19. | |
event in Stirling and there was a fantastic atmosphere. We were to | :43:20. | :43:28. | |
40,000 people were expected which has now been downgraded to 20,000. | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
We are told only 2000 tickets have been sold and that is now no longer | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
a three-day event but a two-day event. From the outside, it looks as | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
if this is an event in crisis. There is a third day still happening, | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
which is an exclusive event for the clans on the Monday. The Saturday | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
and Sunday have been extended so it can dovetail with Armed Forces Day | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
which takes place in the city on the same day. That helps people with | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
concession tickets to. It is right to rearrange things as they begin to | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
unfold. We do not even get to the proper launch of the marketing until | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
two weeks time. The most expensive tickets have almost gone and I was | :44:17. | :44:29. | |
in the new Bannockburn centre which is a fantastic place. Businesses and | :44:30. | :44:44. | |
spelling are looking forward -- businesses in in Stirling are | :44:45. | :44:54. | |
looking forward to the event. Within minutes of this being announced, I | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
was one of the first to say I am entirely supportive of it. If you | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
are a business person in Stirling it does not matter to you who is coming | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
through that door, be it Armed Forces Day or the Bannockburn event. | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
Everyone in Stirling is supporting what is going on. It is important | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
that we make the two events dovetail with each other and that is what is | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
going on. Some people say that Armed Forces day being held at the same | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
time the same place is a direct challenge and this was a Unionist | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
challenge, holding Armed Forces Day on the same day. I hear you telling | :45:41. | :45:51. | |
me that but I have hardly met a single individual who has told me | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
that. I have not had this from businesses in Stirling. This will be | :45:59. | :46:13. | |
a fantastic Festival of papers -- of pipers sitting alongside Armed | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
Forces Day and people should be enthusiastic. It is also about | :46:19. | :46:28. | |
concern for public money, when we look at the homecoming event, an | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
event that lost money, people may ask whether we are encouraging | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
people to come to Scotland in the right way? This is a different event | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
to the homecoming event. That was focused on an international | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
perspective, this is much more focused on a domestic perspective. | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
It is a break even event. They're estimating they can take in ?230,000 | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
or something in that order over that weekend to help cover the costs. It | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
will be a break even event. It has been well-managed. Visit Scotland | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
have the marketing skills and ability to make this take off. We | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
don't even get to the marketing strategy being announced until two | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
weeks. There is a long way to go. Visit Scotland, if they are the | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
right organisation, why were they in charge from the beginning? The | :47:24. | :47:31. | |
National Trust For Scotland on the site, they are still involved in the | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
planning group, we have a good partnership working in the city to | :47:37. | :47:47. | |
deliver these events. I think everything is working well, there is | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
a good synergy between the partnerships. When it comes to | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
promoting Scotland and encouraging people to visit different parts of | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
Scotland, do we need to think about -- think less about these formal | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
events, and think about people coming to Scotland for locks and | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
other parts of our history. Whoever comes to visit Stirling over that | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
weekend, whether they are going to Armed Forces Day, Bannockburn Live, | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
they'll be getting the opportunity to be exposed to the fantastic | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
scenery and surroundings around about them. My constituency right | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
alongside the battlefield here, we have the Trossachs and the mountains | :48:27. | :48:36. | |
of the Stirling area as well as the Wallace Monument. It is a great | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
backdrop. I can't wait for it. I cannot understand how Ebola aren't | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
more excited about this and I would encourage everyone to. -- why people | :48:48. | :48:55. | |
aren't more excited. If it does not work, who foot the bill? We are back | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
at the negative point of view. Visit Scotland have a solid experience in | :49:01. | :49:10. | |
the area. It will be a success, tickets for one of the days of | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
almost sold out, and that is the most expensive ticket and we don't | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
even get to the marketing opportunity for two weeks. It is | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
time for people to be more upbeat and excited. Thank you for joining | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
us. In a question and answer session at | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
the Oxford Media Convention this week, the UK government's Culture | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
Secretary Maria Miller is reported as saying that a vote for | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
independence would mean leaving UK institutions, including the BBC. The | :49:35. | :49:36. | |
Scottish Government's White Paper proposes replacing the BBC with a | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
new Scottish Broadcasting Service based on the assets and staff of BBC | :49:40. | :49:49. | |
Scotland. So does Maria Miller's intervention signal that Doctor Who | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
may have regenerated for the last time for Scottish viewers, or is it | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
all up for negotiation? Plenty of things will change as | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
Scotland votes for independence, but the Scottish Open says he able to | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
enjoy BBC programmes would be one of them. The Scottish governance | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
potluck white paper says that if Scotland votes for independence, the | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
BBC will be replaced by new Scottish and servers. This will be based on | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
the staff and assets of BBC Scotland initially. Its funding would come | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
from a licensed the end a share of the BBC's emotional income. It | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
proposes... A joint-venture where the Scottish broadcasting | :50:30. | :50:31. | |
service... How likely is such a deal? One | :50:32. | :50:43. | |
expert says the issue of content will be key. In the event of a vote | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
for independence, it seems to me in the longer term it is almost | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
inconceivable that viewers in Scotland will not be able to get | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
access to the BBC's services that like. In terms of the negotiation of | :50:56. | :51:04. | |
evidence you, this would be the BBC in dealing with Scotland as it would | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
with any foreign customer. The UK Government says any bid to use | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
existing services and content would need to be negotiated, taking into | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
account what the effect might be on the service the rest of the UK | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
receives. The BBC itself would be drawn. Broadcasting is the one area | :51:21. | :51:27. | |
of public policy were under a Royal Charter we are allowed to make | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
comment upon. However, to do so is problematic for us. Ramiro because | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
broadcasting and the future role of the BBC is an issue within the | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
current constitutional debate. -- primarily. For us to make comment | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
could be seen as a snaking comment on a constitutional issue. That in | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
turn could impact on impartiality on the debate, so we have chosen not to | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
make comment. What we have said basically is that we will not enter | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
into any public or private discussions about the future role or | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
shape or nature of the services of the BBC after the referendum until | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
that referendum has taken place. Some believe there should still be | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
radical change, even if Scotland votes to remain part of the union. I | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
think the audience research shows that there is a dissatisfaction with | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
how the BBC serves Scottish audiences with Scottish output. I | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
think when you come up to charter renewal, there needs to be a debate | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
about whether broadcasting should be devolved. How can the BBC itself | :52:34. | :52:43. | |
serve and fund output in Scotland better? Because Scotland is going to | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
be such a different place. If there is a no vote, there will be | :52:48. | :52:55. | |
increasing revolution, if the BBC wants to keep in touch with Scottish | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
audiences, it needs to think about change. -- increasing devolution. | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
Speaking about broadcasting, the First Minister made what he called | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
the Edinburgh declaration, Eastenders is safe. Asked how that | :53:12. | :53:13. | |
happens, for independence is a difference | :53:14. | :53:50. | |
deal, because the legal advice which the UK Government has and has made | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
clear says that if they leave the UK, we leave this reduces and the | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
BBC is one of those. What we have with the media argument is the same | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
as we had with currency, defence, everything. The Scottish Government | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
is making an assertion, what they will do. They may not have that | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
choice, because the BBC may say, actually, we are going to move | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
staff, assets, whatever to the UK. If all of that ?320 million is spent | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
in Scotland on Scottish output, does it not follow that viewers and | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
listeners get a better deal? The iMac as has been pointed out, there | :54:31. | :54:37. | |
will be a debate anyway. It is fair to say as he did that there is a | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
general unhappiness about the level of input that Scotland has on the | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
BBC networks. When I worked at the BBC, it was something that was | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
discussed then. That is a different argument. But only half of the | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
people surveyed show that the Scottish people think that the BBC | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
is value for money. That is a different argument. Yes, the | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
Scottish parliament should have more powers, perhaps we need to look at | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
the BBC during charter renewal and improve the service in Scotland. | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
That is a different argument is... Be arguing this surely that -- the | :55:15. | :55:22. | |
argument is surely that Scottish viewers are being short-changed. | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
Argument about that is different from the Independence. We don't know | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
what will happen to the BBC and its assets. The Scottish Government say | :55:31. | :55:38. | |
we will build on the assets. Do they mean you, Pacific key, Beech Grove | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
in Aberdeen? Those are things that the -- that belong to the BBC and | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
there no guarantee they would have access to them. I said based in | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
Scotland, but that does not mean they will get them. They can make | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
all the assertions they want. The other factor is that if they make | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
this Scottish Broadcasting Service, it will need a new framework, what | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
will that be? Will they still want Ofcom? They talk about the licence | :56:10. | :56:18. | |
fee, at the moment the ?320 million raised will not be enough for a | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
brand-new broadcasting service. Ie same people will not get the TV and | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
radio programmes that they currently receive? -- are you saying. If a | :56:28. | :56:35. | |
separate service was set up, it could do what other channels do in | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
other countries do, mine BBC programmes. I don't think that many | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
people will decide how they are voting on the referendum and whether | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
or not they get Doctor Who at 6pm on a Saturday or it is shown at ten | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
o'clock on a Sunday night because the Scottish broadcasters have | :56:52. | :56:59. | |
bought it and... Some people may be concerned about these things. There | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
have been stories suggesting that that may not be the case that they | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
are available, but as far as you're concerned, they would be available | :57:07. | :57:13. | |
to viewers in Scotland? Scotland could buy the programmes. The BBC | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
sells programmes throughout the world. If you look at Norway, which | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
is always the example that the Scottish Government gives, if you | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
look at Norway they buy programmes from all over the place, but their | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
licence fee is twice wet we currently pay. -- what we currently | :57:28. | :57:39. | |
pay. Like a lot of other countries, Canadians, Americans, the Irish by | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
BBC programmes. Television is a huge market. It is not just about the BBC | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
making programmes for viewers in Britain, they are making programmes | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
for countries all over the world. Some shows are a huge success. | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
Scotland could leave the UK, the BBC, and the BBC says you can have | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
two things, you can buy Strictly Come Dancing, or you can buy the | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
format and do-it-yourself. But it would probably have to be bought. | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
Well, listening to that interview is the Cabinet Secretary for Culture | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
External Affairs, Fiona Hyslop, who joins me from our Edinburgh studio. | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
Let's pick up on one of the points that was made there. In about... The | :58:23. | :58:32. | |
BBC would continue to serve, but a vote to leave the UK is a vote to | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
lead institutions, including the BBC. I think it reflects the | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
attitude of the UK Government. I think this idea that the UK | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
Government ministers are telling us what we can and cannot have, I think | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
that is a very patronising view of Scotland. You are being accused of | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
asserting, what is your evidence? In terms of the staff and assets, we | :58:58. | :59:00. | |
think they will be the foundation for a new broadcasting Corporation, | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
we will get the programmes we have just now. Just remember, other | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
countries like Ireland and Finland have twice the amount of original TV | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
production coming out of their countries than BBC Scotland has. It | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
is about content and making sure that people see what they want to | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
see, developing the skills and talent of our production companies, | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
but also about satisfaction. BBC Scotland is the only part of the UK | :59:27. | :59:32. | |
that has less than their own... Something needs to change. There is | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
no guarantee with a no vote that there would be anything on offer. | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
When you say it is about how we get the programmes, do you accept that | :59:42. | :59:44. | |
there is a degree of negotiation that has to be had and that actually | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
everything you have delivered might not be promised? You like it is due | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
to be replaced, the charter, talk about negotiations, the last time we | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
negotiated was 24 hours behind closed doors. That was far from | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
satisfactory and led to a reduction in the BBC budgets. | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
negotiating as a foreign customer? We think we could do it as a joint | :00:15. | :00:27. | |
venture of, that would make sense. A co-commissioned some of the best | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
productions. And who have the assets to the BBC worldwide as well. We | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
have contributed to this assets over many years. How long would you have | :00:37. | :00:44. | |
access to them? Your White Paper does not seem to make it clear, why | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
would you have access to those funds? We have helped build up the | :00:49. | :00:57. | |
BBC in terms of our contribution. We get a raw deal just now, the ?320 | :00:58. | :01:05. | |
million the juice from licence fees in 2016 there will only be less than | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
that spent in Scotland. It is very much like the German model, for | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
example. We can deliver it, I think, it was BA better deal for Scottish | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
viewers. -- it would be a. I think people are fed up seeing the BBC 6pm | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
news with health and education stories that have nothing to do with | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
Scotland. We need stories for Scotland. What other set up costs of | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
a new broadcasting service? In terms of BBC Scotland, I don't think | :01:45. | :01:53. | |
Christine has read the white paper, one of the pages set out the details | :01:54. | :02:01. | |
of this. What is the figure? We would inherit in terms of... So | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
there will be no cost as far as you are concerned? Would have a share in | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
assets, we have estimated it all to be about ?345 million, the licence | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
fee figures comes from a policy statement issued by BBC Scotland, so | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
it is perfectly doable. In terms of budgets, we would have a strong | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
position and far more to invest in Scottish originated product than | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
some do have. Would you have two papers of the programmes that you | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
say would be protected? -- have to pay. Scottish viewers have access to | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
something like 50,000 hours via the IPlayer, it won't be a fair swap, | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
will it? Interest from BBC Scotland, they currently receive a | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
20% reduction, it is that 9%. I think it would be in their interest | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
to make sure that the contribution still is there in terms of | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
co-production and co-commissioning and developing programmes for | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
Scotland. Remember, the current Government in Westminster who don't | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
have much faith in public broadcasting, the chairman has been | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
questioning whether the licence fee should be protected. Far from being | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
an offer of more broadcasting for Scotland, it is probably going in | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
reverse. There is every indication from backbenchers in the | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
Conservative Party that you may not have public service broadcasting if | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
you vote no and there is no guarantee under devolution of more | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
powers. If you want change for broadcasting and a better service | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
for Scottish viewers, then a yes vote gives a clear way forward. | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
Thank you very much. You're watching Sunday Politics | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
Scotland - let's cross now for the news from Reporting Scotland with | :03:52. | :04:01. | |
Andrew Kerr. Leading figures on both sides of the independence debate | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
have marked the campaign entering its final 200 days. The Deputy First | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
Minister Nicola Sturgeon said only a Yes vote would secure the powers | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
Scotland needs. Backing a No vote, the Scottish Secretary Alistair | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
Carmichael urged people to use their vote on the 18th of September | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
"wisely". Accident and Emergency staff in Scotland have been the | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
victims of 774 attacks over the last two years. The figures come from | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
information obtained by the Liberal Democrats. They say it's "shameful" | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
that staff in A units were subjected to physical and verbal | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
abuse. The Scottish Government said it was working to continue to bring | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
down the rate of attacks. Boxing, and Ricky Burns suffered his first | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
defeat in seven years as he lost his WBO World Lightweight title. The | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
30-year-old Scot fought American Terence Crawford in Glasgow last | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
night, losing on a unanimous points decision. Burns said the "better man | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
won". Now a look at the weather forecast. Cloud will | :04:59. | :05:15. | |
continue to thicken up and will be outbreaks of rain through the | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
south-west and the central lowlands. The highest temperature | :05:19. | :05:27. | |
will be around seven Celsius with a fresh southeasterly wind. As we head | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
towards evening, the rain moves north. | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
That's it. Back to Gary. Thanks, Andrew. Now in a moment, we'll be | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
discussing the big events coming up this | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
David Cameron and his cabinet met in Aberdeen to press the case of the | :05:49. | :05:57. | |
union and to discuss the importance of the all industry. The Scottish | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
Government was right cabinet also met. Production costs and oil have | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
risen steeply but investment remains high. Standard Life says it is | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
moving staff to England if there is a yes vote in the independence | :06:21. | :06:30. | |
referendum. The Chief Executive of the international airline group says | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
it could benefit from a yes vote. The Scottish Government could get | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
rid of air passenger duty. Gamekeepers want to end the ban on | :06:42. | :06:54. | |
docking working dog's tales. That was the week gone by. Let's take a | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
look now at what's in the Sunday papers and what's happening in the | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
week to come. Joining me this morning is the writer and columnist | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
Katie Grant and the author and Scotsman columnist George Kerevan. | :07:08. | :07:19. | |
The Sunday Times headline. It says that the Better Together campaign | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
has failed to raise even half of its funding murky. Is there a crisis? It | :07:26. | :07:35. | |
is a bit of a concern. The Yes campaign have lots of money, | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
particularly from lottery winners. I think that the Yes campaign and the | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
SNB Aaron slight disagreement about who actually owns the money. -- SNP | :07:50. | :08:11. | |
are in slight disagreement. The London press has insane headlines | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
every day about what will go wrong if we vote yes. If you put the | :08:15. | :08:23. | |
propaganda and the money that is Better Together has, you can see | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
that the union side has the big money. Scotland On Sunday says that | :08:28. | :08:44. | |
to lottery winners are handing over a seven figure sum to the yes | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
campaign. They are putting their money where their politics is. Here | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
we have a debate and the entire London media is on the Unionist | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
side. I do not think that is democratic affair and it shows you | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
the kind of difficulties that we have in having a debate in Scotland | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
on a roll in. Do we need to look at how the media is behaving in all of | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
this? I think it is true to say that the media coverage on both sides is | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
pretty awful. One side is doom and gloom and the other is away with the | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
fairies. The Yes side has no major media. We need to have a more | :09:37. | :09:45. | |
balanced board. It would be good to have one newspaper really good goal | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
that was not just about politics but was also about the issues. Perhaps | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
no one would read it. Are you saying that newspapers should not express | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
an opinion? I do not think we will ever get the magic moment when there | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
is complete objectivity that we need both sides arguing it out in the | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
media. We do not have the same kind of weight of argument for the yes | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
vote in the media as we do for the no vote. It is coming from London. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
Scottish newspapers do not argue the yes vote. There could be more papers | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
in Scotland and Scotland is capable of generating newspapers are self | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
but perhaps the Yes campaign is not entirely convincing. There is | :10:35. | :10:46. | |
coverage in Scotland On Sunday about Labour's plans for Hollywood. -- | :10:47. | :11:06. | |
plans for Holyrood. We do not have any major London parties saying that | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
in the event of a no vote that they will expand powers for Scotland. | :11:11. | :11:22. | |
These are the parties of the United Kingdom. I do not think it is fair | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
to say that London is seeing this and Scotland is being dumbed down. | :11:26. | :11:46. | |
-- 's London is saying this. Once you get beyond a certain number of | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
powers, why not have independence? It is a difficult balance to draw | :11:51. | :12:09. | |
and I think everybody is in a stew. Those divisions are clearly played | :12:10. | :12:19. | |
on by the Yes campaign. A divided opposition is a weak opposition. | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
This is what everybody will have to do and say what they believe rather | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
than keeping on playing politics which puts most people. 200 days to | :12:30. | :12:44. | |
go until the referendum. The front page of the Sunday Herlad. Herald | :12:45. | :12:54. | |
speaks about Nicola Sturgeon's speech tomorrow. There are divisions | :12:55. | :13:06. | |
in the yes campaign, too? I suspect that the majority of opinion in | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
Scotland is centre-left and social democratic. I think that in England | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
things are going in the opposite direction. Why do you think that | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
Alex Salmond needs to go to London to make a speech? If I was him, I | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
would do the same and it will get coverage in all the newspapers. | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
Maybe David Cameron will come up north and talk to Alex Salmond. | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
Thank you for joining us. That's all from the us this week. I'll be back | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
at the same time next week. Until then, goodbye. | :13:53. | :14:03. |