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government plans to protect marine wildlife risking putting the | :01:33. | :01:43. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2221 seconds | :01:43. | :38:44. | |
fisherman of Hythe Bay out of Sunday Politics in the South East. | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
Coming up later: Do we get the politicians we deserve? There are | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
question marks about the way political parties choose their | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
candidates to become MPs and concerns have been raised about the | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
Unite union's backing for Labour candidates, including two in Sussex. | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
So should ordinary voters get a bigger say? Well, joining me in the | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
studio today to discuss this and other topics is the Labour | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
parliamentary Candidate for Gillingham and Rainham, Paul Clark, | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
and the Conservative South East MEP Daniel Hannan. First, this weekend | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
sees the opening of a new food bank in Shoreham. Charities say more | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
people in the area are struggling to feed their families and are | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
currently having to travel to a food bank in Worthing. Earlier this week, | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
the Archbishop of Canterbury defended the Church's involvement in | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
food banks after a conservative minister suggested more people were | :39:27. | :39:36. | |
using food banks simply because they could. Daniel Hannan, the fact | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
there's a food bank now being opened in Shoreham, is that a sign that | :39:40. | :39:50. | |
coalition policies are failing people here in the South East? | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
the use of food banks went up ten times over the last government, so | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
no. You can't possibly draw that from that. Food banks did not exist | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
until just over a decade ago. The reason that use has increased its | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
because people are now referred by job centres to food banks directly, | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
which has been a long-standing demand of the charity that set them | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
up in the first place and who are delighted that this is now happened. | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
There is a real issue of getting the balance right. It is an important | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
part of the coalition policy that working should always pay. You | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
shouldn't be better off on benefits than you are in work, and that | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
involves making some difficult choices. You mentioned the trust are | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
delighted that these referrals are coming in, but they say there is a | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
clear link between benefit delays or changes to benefits and the fact | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
that the number of people relying on food banks has gone up. Benefit | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
delays are falling. No system is perfect, but the time taken is down | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
and the number of cases processed immediately is a higher percentage, | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
but the real issue is, are we being fair to those who are paying their | :41:02. | :41:10. | |
taxes and striving and then find that they are taking home less? Of | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
hope for would agree with me on this. You have got to get the | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
balance right, but clearly the trust is not happy that they have seen | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
152,000 people in the last three months which is three times the | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
level in 2012. The minister is not living in the real world of the | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
things it is just because people go along because they can get free | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
food. The Archbishop Canterbury did make the point that a lot of this | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
was about the failure in delivery, it wasn't because people were being | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
denied an offence, it was because there was a problem in the system | :41:46. | :41:55. | |
perhaps. But the trust report says that 20%, it actually is because of | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
direct benefit changes, changes to the invalidity benefit... But those | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
changes have only coming very recently since April. Before that, | :42:05. | :42:13. | |
we did see an increase, so it does suggest... And ten years before | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
that. What this is showing us, as far as the coalition government is | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
concerned, they think this is working because there are more | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
people now that do need to come and get food vouchers. I have to tell | :42:27. | :42:34. | |
you, where we were doing two or three a week, we are now giving | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
vouchers to three a day. That is not because we want to give them away, | :42:37. | :42:47. | |
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it is because people need them. from Daniel Hannan and Paul Clark | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
later, but now, as campaign slogans go, "Save The Green-tongued Spoon | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
Worm of Hythe Bay" isn't the most well known, but the new Marine | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
Conservation Zones planned by the government are designed to do just | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
that. Hythe Bay is one of five zones proposed in the South East and due | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
to come into operation later this year. But local fisherman are | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
furious that their traditional fishing waters could become | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
off-limits, damaging their livelihoods. They say the government | :43:08. | :43:18. | |
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have been taken in hook, line and neighbours the green tunnels C worm | :43:27. | :43:34. | |
and the sea mouse -- green-tongued worm. They live on the soft bed here | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
in Hythe Bay. The covenanters browsing to create a Marine | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
conservation zone here to protect them, but that fishermen from highs, | :43:43. | :43:51. | |
and other places nearby who rely on the basis that could put them out of | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
business. It is who we are. It is in the blood. I don't want to be the | :43:57. | :44:04. | |
last in the line of the family here. It would be devastating to a lot of | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
livelihoods. Completely unnecessary, that is the worst thing | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
about it. There's no evidence to prove that fishing harming the green | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
tongues prune worm. But fishermen say the population of spoon worms is | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
on the increase. The fishermen 's MP has raised the issue in Parliament. | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
Now he has secured a visit from the fisheries minister, Richard Benyon, | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
next week. The fishermen have an interest to sustain them. The marine | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
life, both living in the sand and also on the seabed, has been | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
preserved as well. Fishermen also recommended other areas where more | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
conservation provision could be introduced and wouldn't affect the | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
current fishing. The fishermen themselves understand why | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
conservation zones might be necessary, they are just challenging | :44:58. | :45:06. | |
why Hythe Bay is included. This area could become the new Hythe Bay | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
compensate -- conservation zone. What is key is what status the | :45:09. | :45:17. | |
government gives it. The seabed will be closely monitored. But if it is a | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
so-called recovery zone, controls will be much tighter to protect the | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
marine life living on the seabed will stop that could mean a total | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
ban on fishing here. This family does 90% of their fishing in what | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
could become the zone. They say they would be forced to sell their boat | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
and fish shop and wouldn't be able to supply local restaurants. Terry | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
thinks ministers and conservationists misunderstand local | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
fishing methods. They are under the impression that the trawling done in | :45:46. | :45:56. | |
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that area is using big heavy trawls seen on TV by millions of people. | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
But it is not anything like that at all. The area we fish, the tools | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
used in that area are really light and just skim over the top. Anything | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
living there is not harmed. The mud gets washed away in the storms and | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
it comes back and the fish is in abundance every year. The fishermen | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
have done no harm whatsoever. We look after it ourselves, it is our | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
future. These fishing boats to the British High Court victory over | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
industrial scale trawlers this week as the government ruled fishing | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
quotas could be redistributed in favour of smaller vessels. But | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
fishermen say this new threat could be even more harmful to their | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
industry and communities. Hythe Bay is known locally as the million | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
pound Bay, so an estimation of just �3000 on the annual value of fishing | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
here has been laughed out of the water. You could look dashing could | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
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put a lot more zeros on the end of that. Every fishermen down there, | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
there's fishmongers, restaurants, but more so tourism. A lot of people | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
come down to the beach to look at the boats. It is a big tourist | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
attraction. To lose them would be a major upset. The government is due | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
to announce his decision in September, but when the minister | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
visits on Wednesday, can he convince the fishermen is interested in | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
conserving their future as well as that of the creatures who share the | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
sea below's this has left a very bad taste in our mouth. We feel that we | :47:36. | :47:44. | |
have been hijacked. It is not fair. So has the government been fair to | :47:45. | :47:54. | |
fishermen? Lucinda caught up with Richard Benyon. They have been very | :47:54. | :48:02. | |
vocal and very correct in the way they have lobbied. We have a | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
consultation which is ended and we are examining all the 40,000 | :48:06. | :48:13. | |
responses we have had. We will make a decision in the autumn. The point | :48:13. | :48:20. | |
is that we are able to consider not just the environmental factors but | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
also the activities like fishing and make sure that we're trying to get | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
the balance right. It is all down to not just what we say in terms of the | :48:31. | :48:38. | |
lines on the map, but how we manage that Marine conservation zone which | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
will mean whether they are able to continue making a living or if we | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
will impact on their lives. That is the message I absolutely get other | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
want to make sure we're getting it right for them and the environment. | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
D-Link they think they are listened to? If it does come in, it is a | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
permanent change. They tell me they don't feel like they have been | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
consulted. In a macro that is one of the problems we have had. 127 sites | :49:02. | :49:10. | |
coming forward, if they're going to stop people doing things in the | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
seas, we have got to have a really good idea about what is there and | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
some really good scientific evidence. Frankly, there wasn't the | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
scientific evidence to back up a lot of the 127 sites that were brought | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
forward. So we had to go and find it. I'm absolutely determined that | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
we are fair that if there are absolutely vital valuable seabed | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
features that are being destroyed by certain activities, we have got to | :49:36. | :49:43. | |
protect them. That is part of our natural heritage, it is part of our | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
duty and society wants that. But if we can live together, and there are | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
so many activities which are not harmful to the environment, fishing | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
activities that are not harmful, they should be allowed to continue, | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
and so it is a question of making sure we have got the right evidence, | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
making sure we are proportionate in how we do the management plans and I | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
hope we can find a solution that means everyone will be happy. | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
Well, I certainly know they question the science they think they hope to | :50:11. | :50:18. | |
show you some of their evidence on Wednesday. You will understand | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
people say I listen to much to fishermen, and fishermen say listen | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
to much the scientists. It is a balance. But fishermen say that that | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
will be their business gone. What they do happens? That presupposes | :50:32. | :50:41. | |
that it will happen. Lester C. This could be designated and given the | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
status, conservation objectives that allows them to continue their | :50:44. | :50:53. | |
business. I hope that is the case. -- let just see. There is only | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
fishermen over posts over the last three decades who have gone out of | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
business for a variety of reasons because they haven't been enough | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
fish them to catch. The system of managing their fisheries has been so | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
wrong. We are gradually turning that around and trying to make sure that | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
we have sensible management of our fisheries and then people can move | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
what they do in certain areas, there are some highly mobile fleets that | :51:17. | :51:25. | |
will be catching fish of one post one day and another the next. I | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
recognise the fact that local fishermen like the ones at Hythe Bay | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
are inshore fishermen, they have a knowledge of those waters that go | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
back generations. These are not people who can suddenly upped sticks | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
and go to another part of the will stop I want to make sure that we're | :51:42. | :51:49. | |
working with them -- go to another part of the sea. I want to make sure | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
we're working with them and I'm not be judging any decision we are about | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
to make but I do have a very strong affinity for local fishing | :51:55. | :52:02. | |
communities. Sure they will have a lot to show you on Wednesday. Thank | :52:02. | :52:09. | |
you very much. Daniel Hannan it doesn't sound like anyone is | :52:09. | :52:18. | |
particularly happy with this. Is it a fudge from the Minister? He is a | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
decent guy and he is playing a bad hand as well as he can. The reason | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
it is a bad hand is because the deck has been stacked against every UK | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
fisheries Minister since Edward Heath gave away the richest renewal | :52:31. | :52:38. | |
rate area around our coast. How can you defend a skipper in the | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
south-east of England to tie up his boat when he knows that there are | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
foreign vessels plundering the same waters. Conservation has to depend | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
on ownership to have got an incentive on preserving stocks. | :52:55. | :53:01. | |
one of these zones could be in the Medway S three, would you support | :53:01. | :53:11. | |
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that -- estuary? It is right with the minister says in terms of | :53:11. | :53:17. | |
getting the balance right, but if you're going to end up, and if the | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
scientific evidence says that there should be a zone, then he will have | :53:22. | :53:28. | |
to make that decision. But at the same time you have to recognise that | :53:28. | :53:34. | |
there are families at the end of this who are affected, and therefore | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
the government would need to put in place popper supports to help those | :53:39. | :53:44. | |
families relocate or find other ways forward. I do say that this week we | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
have seen the decision from the High Court for the fisheries industry | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
which is welcome now that they can have some of those spare quotas | :53:52. | :54:02. | |
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allocated to small fisheries rather than large. Questions were raised | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
this week over the Unite Union's involvement in two Labour selections | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
in Brighton and Hove. It comes as the Conservative Party sends out | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
ballot papers for their European election candidates, with the Leader | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
of the Conservative Group in the European Parliament and South East | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
MEP Richard Ashworth failing to win automatic re-selection. So how | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
democratic are the two main parties when it comes to selecting their | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
candidates? Paul Clark, Labour have been in the headlines over this. It | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
is a huge issue for Labour with the backing of the unions being such a | :54:31. | :54:39. | |
big popper for them but now it has come to, how do you think Ed | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
Miliband can prove to people that he is taking control of this and that | :54:42. | :54:49. | |
places like Brighton where it is suggested that it could've happened, | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
but it could have been? He needs to continue to do the work it started | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
when became leader where he said about opening up the party, | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
engagement with communities about the formulation of ideas, policies | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
and meeting the aspirations of people across the length and breadth | :55:06. | :55:13. | |
of the country. That is why we had re-founding Labour and that has | :55:13. | :55:22. | |
opened up the party in various ways. That is what he has started, | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
and then of course this week we have seen his announcement in terms of | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
wanting to actually make sure that individual trade union members make | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
a decision as to what parties they want that money to go to, and in | :55:36. | :55:43. | |
addition, he had said about primary selection for certainly the | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
elections in 2016 in London and then looking at constituency parties. | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
seem pretty sure it didn't happen in Brighton, but have you checked the | :55:52. | :55:58. | |
party list? Bretigny-sur-Orge let me say to this. We have nothing to fear | :55:58. | :56:08. | |
because I can tell you, 20 years ago, on the floor of the party -- | :56:08. | :56:18. | |
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let me say this. Have nothing to fear. Something that happened in | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
Falkirk, it has been referred to the police in the right way. The reason | :56:24. | :56:34. | |
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I say Brighton has been kept out... It is my home constituency, I don't | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
know if you are on Twitter, but I remember the delighted tweet saying | :56:39. | :56:47. | |
congratulations to Nancy that the Unite candidate. Is said Brighton | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
and Kent town and Hove weather to that were being... The spotlight | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
very much on Labour at the moment and their links with the unions, but | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
went comes the Conservatives, people shocked that they didn't make the | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
top of the list. Someone was saying it was because they were too much of | :57:04. | :57:14. | |
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a Europhile. As a transparent way to select candidates? -- is it? They | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
don't change hands from one party to another. The MPs in those seats, | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
they are only going to lose their jobs if they lose the right to wear | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
the red or blue rosette on polling day. Whenever there is a conflict | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
between what local people want and what their whips want, irrational is | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
that MPs and the overseas is to go with what their whips want. The | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
great thing about primaries say abolish safe seats. They allow | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
everybody to have a say in who should be the label conservative or | :57:43. | :57:53. | |
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Lib Dem candidate. They haven't way around the cost is that when | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
there is an election happening anywhere, you should give any party | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
or any group of citizens the right to piggyback that collection and | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
require the retaining officer... say it would get rid of safe seats | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
and we have a lot of safe seats in Kent. Which ones do you think we | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
might see getting kicked out if we had open primaries? Xxx an MP who | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
gets a reputation for voting with his party rather than what his | :58:30. | :58:40. | |
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constituents want... If there is an MP who is corrupt or useless or | :58:45. | :58:51. | |
consistently facing the wrong way... We have run out of time but | :58:51. | :59:01. | |
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we have got time for a round-up of is very concerned by video footage | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
appearing to show Sussex officers catering and kicking a suspected | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
shoplifter to the ground. An investigation has been launched. | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
Sussex police say the action was necessary to safely arrest the man. | :59:18. | :59:25. | |
Will become more common in the UK. The green councils strikes back. | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
Following a decline in the city's recycling rates, giant communal | :59:30. | :59:36. | |
recycling bins will be laid out. With a 10% cut to its budget, Kent | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
County Council has announced this week that it needs to save a further | :59:40. | :59:45. | |
�239 million by 2018. It is hit central government witty hard over | :59:45. | :59:54. | |
the last few years. And finally, the Archbishop of Canterbury is handing | :59:54. | :00:04. | |
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it... That hope the bank takes criticism better than the king did. | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
Applecart, we heard the Archbishop of Canterbury talking about | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
quantitive easing. He seems like a very outspoken leader of the church? | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
He has the right position to be able to contribute to greater to | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
democracy, and he does see through the church organisations what is | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
really happening on the ground. So when he spoke out about food banks | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
earlier on, is because he knows from what is happening on the streets. | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
How do you think politicians react to someone of his stature speaking | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
in that way? Here speaking as a private citizen. It is at Regis. It | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
hits people who are dependent on a fixed income. It has been an | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
absolutely scandalous thing by which wealth is removed from the poor and | :01:06. | :01:13. |