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He will try to force a vote in the October. Home Secretary Theresa | :00:10. | :02:07. | |
He will try to force a vote in the was asked about his plans on the BBC | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
earlier this morning. I think he has got it wrong, I think what we need | :02:10. | :02:18. | |
to do is to negotiate the settlement with the European Union and then put | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
that to the people me to decide whether to be in or out. Is this a | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
flea bite or a real threat? I think the next election, a Conservative | :02:28. | :02:37. | |
Party that will be offering people that renegotiation, a new settlement | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
with Europe, looking to the future and putting that to the British | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
people in and in or out referendum. And what the amendment possibly | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
could do, as James Wharton, who And what the amendment possibly | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
putting the Referendum Bill through Parliament has said, is it could | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
jeopardise that bill. Adam Afriyie joins us now from Millbank studio. | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
Good morning. If the referendum would be held next October, it would | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
have to be an in-out question based the status quo? There wouldn't be | :03:05. | :03:12. | |
time for a full renegotiation. I disagree. By having a referendum in | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
2014, it gives us 12 months to renegotiate, but it kick-started | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
negotiations, because the European Union, if they wish us to remain | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
and make changes so that they would members, would need to accommodate | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
and make changes so that they would persuade the British public to stay, | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
strengthens the Prime Minister's hand, and 12 months is ample time | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
for that kind of negotiation. You might think that, but Germany has | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
not even got a government at the moment, why should they meet our | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
timetable? This is going to be incredibly, located renegotiation. I | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
think, basically, 80% of people incredibly, located renegotiation. I | :03:45. | :03:52. | |
a referendum. More than 50% what a election. British businesses need | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
certainty, and we could carry on taking a scan down the road for | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
ever, but I have struggled with taking a scan down the road for | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
conscience over this one. I do not want to cause trouble, but it is | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
essential that Parliament and MPs have the opportunity to search their | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
souls and give people a referendum this side of the election. That | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
would also bring certainty and clarity for the future, and like I | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
said, it strengthens the Prime Minister's hand if it is successful. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
You right in the Mail on Sunday Minister's hand if it is successful. | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
the people are not convinced there even will be a referendum, so they | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
don't trust David Cameron? I think the headline was not the headline I | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
wrote for that piece. What I am You are saying that the British | :04:32. | :04:39. | |
people are not convinced. Look, there are too many uncertainties | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives will win the election, | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
I hope we will, they may not be convinced the renegotiation will be | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
good enough, that there will be convinced the renegotiation will be | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
referendum. Do you trust David That is why we need to bring the | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
referendum forward, there is time to negotiate, and we tidy up the issue | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
that has been hanging around for too long. Do you trust David Cameron to | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
deliver a referendum in 2017? I Minister, and of course I trust | :05:06. | :05:16. | |
deliver a referendum in 2017? I referendum? There as only variables | :05:16. | :05:16. | |
in between. What I am doing with referendum? There as only variables | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
this amendment, is to try to be referendum? There as only variables | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
is that Parliament and every MP referendum? There as only variables | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
the opportunity decide whether they want to be sure of a referendum | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
within this parliament, or maybe leave it to the vagaries of what may | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
within this parliament, or maybe happen in 2015. Supposing you got | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would vote for us to | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
leave as of today, but there will be Michael Gove, I would vote for us to | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
an enormous amount of pressure on European Union leaders to come | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
forward with proposals. If they European Union leaders to come | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
to say, the mandate is not ever closer political union, it is ever | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
closer trading harmony, giving us closer trading harmony, giving us | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
more border control and control closer trading harmony, giving us | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
our legal system, I might change my mind. But this is what needs to | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
happen - if we have a referendum in happen - if we have a referendum in | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
negotiations to be kick-started happen - if we have a referendum in | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
people to argue in or out, and the end result is a stronger Prime | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
Minister. Is it true that you have end result is a stronger Prime | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
Minister. Is it true that you have got about 80 MPs supporting this? It | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
certain, and I think we will see it on hold over the next three or five | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
weeks. He will have to ask each individual MP. I am asking you, | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
is your motion! There will be other motions coming forward, and I know | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
cross-party, for people who want the British public to have a say in | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
2014. You know it is not going to get through, the whips will stop | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
this from happening. One of the successes, apparently, of your | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
party's Manchester conference was that you were not divided over | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled. Here you are bringing it | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was back to life and pouring petrol | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was unlicensed troublemaker of the | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Tories? The only struggle I have had is not a fight with my party but | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
Tories? The only struggle I have had with my conscience as to whether or | :07:06. | :07:06. | |
not I would give Parliament and with my conscience as to whether or | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
British people an opportunity to have a say in 2014. I wrestled with | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
it, and I decided I wanted people to have that opportunity. It is for | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
each individual MP to search their soul, speak to constituents and | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
decide whether they want that. You decided it would get you in the | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
headlines again. Oh, you are so cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
publicity seeker. All I seek is cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
would not be able to sleep at night if I did not bring forward this | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
opportunity for Britain to have if I did not bring forward this | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
say. We have left it far too long. Nobody under the age of 56 has had a | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
say. Thanks for joining us, good luck with this continuing struggle | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
with your conscience! I will move the seat around and addressed the | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
panel, what do you make of it? The party managers must be furious with | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
him. I think what this confirms party managers must be furious with | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
that David Cameron is incredibly lucky in his enemies. His most | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
prolific critics, Nadine Dorries, Peter Bone, Adam Afriyie, even if | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
you are very anti-Cameron, you will not think, man, if only they were in | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
charge of the party! I think the party managers are not too alarmed. | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
They do not take him seriously? No, is not as if the James Wharton bill | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
is a work of genius, it is riddled with flaws, anomalies and loopholes. | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
It purports to guarantee that a referendum will take place in the | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
next Parliament. My understanding of theoretically impossible and that | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
all the future government would theoretically impossible and that | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
is cancel out that bill with another bill. He does have a point that | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
Cameron's plan for a referendum bill. He does have a point that | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
nothing like as likely to happen... dangerous. The problem for David | :08:50. | :08:59. | |
Cameron is twofold. One, if Ed Miliband says he's going to support | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Adam Afriyie, it will go through. Unlikely that Ed Miliband would | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
Adam Afriyie, it will go through. that, but what he might do is say to | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
his MPs, ignore this. It may well be significant number of Labour MPs do | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
not turn up, and then what you have Conservative backbenchers, and in | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
that war you might well find that through, and then the Prime Minister | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
has real trouble, because Adam Afriyie says, the Prime Minister | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
membership, up what basis and with which mandate? He would not be able | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
to get agreement with Nick Clegg or Ed Miliband, so you would be looking | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
think he is a Labour mole, that Ed Miliband, so you would be looking | :09:40. | :09:48. | |
what I have come to, a Daily Mail style conspiracy theory, it could | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
not be more perfect. The prospect of style conspiracy theory, it could | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
a referendum on the EU at the same time as Scottish independence is | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
has told us he could not sleep at conscience. We could send him some | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
pills, I suppose. We know he's going to sack all those lieutenants were | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
going around and saying he is the great future and the next leader of | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
the Conservative Party. He denied doing that! He would be amazed to | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
hear you say that, this is a crisis conversations in corridors, quite an | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
operation to get letters into Graham Brady, he said to have letters, | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
operation to get letters into Graham 46, but at the moment this campaign | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
is being run by Lieutenant of Adam They are disaffected and not happy | :10:34. | :10:43. | |
under David Cameron's leadership. There is a whole army of them! I am | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
pleased he has outmanoeuvred the awkward squad, and now James Wharton | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
is saying, you're going to kill awkward squad, and now James Wharton | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
bill. I do not think they are very competence lieutenants. The main | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
episode is it will unify a large Conservative Party behind David | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
Cameron. On what they hope is a settled position. We still hope | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
Cameron. On what they hope is a be talking to John Prescott, who is | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
in hole, if you see him, pointing in the direction of the BBC studios! Do | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
you want to buy a house? Can you afford the mortgage repayments but | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
not the 20% or 30% deposit the mortgage provider is demanding from | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
you? The Government says it has mortgage provider is demanding from | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
scheme designed for you which is in launching next week, help to buy, | :11:31. | :11:38. | |
re-emergence of 95% mortgages, remember them?! But is the policy | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
really good for home-buyers or the British economy? Here is Giles. | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
Never mind who lives in a house British economy? Here is Giles. | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
this, who can afford to buy a house these days? The Government would | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
this, who can afford to buy a house like many more people to be able to | :11:53. | :11:53. | |
without putting down a crippling like many more people to be able to | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
without putting down a crippling amount of money as a deposit, and in | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
the spirit of rights to buy, the government has launched help to | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
the spirit of rights to buy, the confusingly it is the name for two | :12:03. | :12:03. | |
been running since April. Help to government are bringing it in early. | :12:03. | :12:25. | |
Let's get in on the inside and take a good look around at what this | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
scheme actually has to offer. And why the Government thinks it really | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
works. Help to Buy 1 was an equity loan scheme. The idea, nice, is | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
works. Help to Buy 1 was an equity it was for new build only, up to a | :12:40. | :12:40. | |
value of £600,000. But it is Help to value of £600,000. But it is Help to | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
Buy 2 that everyone is looking into right now. It is for any property up | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
to a value, again, of £600,000. right now. It is for any property up | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
time the Government is guaranteeing that it will take on the first | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
losses should the home owner in that it will take on the first | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
future failed to make their mortgage payments. Don't worry about that, if | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
you are a buyer, you are going to be concerned about coming up with the | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
5% deposit and 95% mortgages will be available again in participating | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
banks and building societies. And a housing prime mover. You cannot | :13:17. | :13:26. | |
get training to 5% mortgage anymore, 90% even, so there are couples in | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
our country who have good jobs, decent incomes, they could afford | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
the mortgage payments but they failure in our banking market. So | :13:33. | :13:41. | |
Jonathan, but I guess for you this is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
main impact of this scheme will is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
to push up prices, who does that benefit? Mostly rich and all the | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
people who own their houses. Plus the banks, of course, because it is | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
a subsidy for them. Who loses? People who want to buy a house in | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd that the Government says it | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
the future. Moreover, it is a bit not OK to borrow to finance schools | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
or roads, but it is fine for the effectively, in order to guarantee | :14:11. | :14:22. | |
housing market. 2.3 million? I do not think Help to Buy covers that. | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
But enter a would-be buyer, will they now be seeing a plethora of | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
help to buy mortgages? In a word, no. David Cameron has brought the | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
months, and banks were not ready at that stage. Two banks have committed | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the RBS group, so lenders like | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
Halifax, RBS and NatWest. They will be doing the scheme, but even once | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
the scheme is up and running you are probably find 95% mortgages on the | :14:52. | :15:00. | |
high street because of the guarantee the government is offering. People | :15:00. | :15:09. | |
might say this is how we got into a mess in the first place. Why would | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
the government want to make those products available then now? It | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
the government want to make those more what investment banks were | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
doing in the background that caused performed extremely well through the | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
depths of the downturn. Is this performed extremely well through the | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save over the last few years | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
but this has enabled me to make best to save over the last few years | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
first purchase. How frustrating best to save over the last few years | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
it just renting? Very frustrating, you are throwing away money hand | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
over fist, and now I can take that enthusiasm raises a question back at | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
the flat. If you are looking for a 95% mortgage, you don't really care | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
economy, you are thinking, great, I can buy a house. Yes, if I was a | :16:06. | :16:14. | |
house buyer or a bank, I would be pleased, but it will do longer term | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
economic damage. The tricky steps the government are trying to pull | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
off is that home-buyers might be so grateful for the opportunity to | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
off is that home-buyers might be so their own homes that they reward the | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
Government with the vote, while their own homes that they reward the | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
the same time the Government tries to sidestep consequences that such a | :16:35. | :16:51. | |
Now Conservative MP Margot James, and Allister Heath, editor of City | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
It is said by the critics that this scheme will cause a housing bubble. | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
Where is the evidence? House prices are more varied. Housing not just in | :17:03. | :17:17. | |
London remains overvalued and the problem with this scheme is that it | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
will pump up house prices, it will therefore houses will become even | :17:22. | :17:30. | |
more overvalued. That is a dangerous territory, last time it ended in | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
tears, and now the Government is taking on the risk of that policy. | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
What do you say to that? We have a real problem, it takes people on | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
average until they are 38 years real problem, it takes people on | :17:44. | :17:54. | |
property. The problem is not that they cannot afford it, but they | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
cannot afford the deposit. We have got to do something to allow people | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
to get their feet on the property ladder and I don't agree it will | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
cause a boom in house prices. It would if we were not building any | :18:07. | :18:22. | |
have had a record this year, 12 months to right now, the record | :18:22. | :18:33. | |
have had a record this year, 12 the last ten years. These are not | :18:33. | :18:33. | |
the statistics I have seen, but the last ten years. These are not | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
new supply is coming up. It is starting to creep up. We don't see | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
enough house building, need to build more houses and that is a solution | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
to this problem. You are right, people cannot afford to buy homes | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
and the reason is there are not enough good quality homes in the | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
deposits are so high is because secondly the Government has passed | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
laws to make the banking system secondly the Government has passed | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
prudent, telling them to put more wrong. Now suddenly the Government | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
is not happy with the outcome of its own rules and is trying to create | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
these subsidies to circumvent the rules it has put in place. It is not | :19:19. | :19:26. | |
a subsidy. Don't forget banks have to pay a charge in order to take | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
part in this loan scheme and that the... You are guaranteeing the | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
money. Yes, but the fear is worked out on a commercial basis. The | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
taxpayer is protected. Why? You out on a commercial basis. The | :19:41. | :19:48. | |
guaranteeing £12 billion worth of mortgages per year. Yes but the | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
change in the whole mortgage basis has been made a few years ago in | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
response of the crash. They made the distressed test on people applying | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
for mortgages much higher and you twice... So it will not be like | :20:03. | :20:12. | |
these self certification mortgages handed out in America that caused | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit like that but the banks are rightly | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
asking for bigger deposits, they know there is a big chance house | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
prices could fall if interest rates eventually, so they are demanding | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
bigger deposits. The Government eventually, so they are demanding | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
circumventing this is being passed eventually, so they are demanding | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
on to the taxpayers which is why it is a dangerous policy. Instead they | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
should be massively accelerating Planning permission is much easier | :20:45. | :20:54. | |
to get now, we have seen a 49% increase in planning permission | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
to get now, we have seen a 49% a new building over the last year, a | :20:58. | :20:58. | |
huge increase. In the figures I a new building over the last year, a | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
recently, they showed new start a new building over the last year, a | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
the 12 months to the autumn were only about 110,000 which is the | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
figure you inherited, which was only about 110,000 which is the | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
an all-time low in 2010. New house built in the last quarter are third | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
up on the time last year. You have relaxation of planning laws and | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
up on the time last year. You have other policies the Government put | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
into effect last year to take effect and it is coming through now. I | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
agree, if we weren't building more houses, if the construction sector | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
advantage of the increased demand, there would be a risk. David Cameron | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
says you are snob and it is only snobs who dislike Help To Buy. They | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
don't have the bank of mum and dad, people like that will finally get on | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
the housing ladder. That is complete nonsense. We need a sustainable | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
housing market where there is a large amount of construction, like | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
in the 1930s for example, where large numbers of proper family homes | :22:11. | :22:18. | |
were being built for people. House prices were pushed down and people | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
could afford houses. You are now encouraging people to take out a 95% | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
mortgage, I thought that was a bad idea, so supposing interest rates go | :22:29. | :22:38. | |
struggle, and supposing house prices fall by more than 5%, I am now faced | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
with negative equity and soaring interest rates that I cannot afford. | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
95% mortgage, if you can afford interest rates that I cannot afford. | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
repayments, you will be fine. What happens when interest rates rise? | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
They have got to rise a lot before you get into trouble. People are | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
already affording rent which is you get into trouble. People are | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
lot higher than mortgage payments. You will not be able to get into | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
this scheme unless you can afford repayments double what they are | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
this scheme unless you can afford the moment. The Conservatives should | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
limelight last week but there was an unwelcome intruder in the shape | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
limelight last week but there was an row between Ed Miliband and the | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
Daily Mail. Just over a week ago the claiming that Ed Miliband's Father | :23:32. | :23:40. | |
Ralph hated Britain. They showed a picture of his father's gravestone | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
with the caption, grave socialist. They then removed the photo and | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
with the caption, grave socialist. Ed Miliband the right to reply on | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
printed an editorial alongside it saying they stood by every word | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
printed an editorial alongside it published an fair headline. It also | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
reporter had gate-crashed a private memorial service for Ed Miliband's | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
uncle in a London hospital, for which the paper has now apologised, | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the hard look at the way his papers | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the run. This comes a week before a | :24:23. | :24:30. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the Joining us now from Hull, John | :24:30. | :24:30. | |
Prescott. Does this row between Joining us now from Hull, John | :24:31. | :24:42. | |
reinforce the case for tough, new certainly influences the opinion | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
about that but that is more of Paul Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband rang | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
about that but that is more of Paul while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
sure my complaints were nothing while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
do with press regulation and he while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
right. This argument is not about politicians and media people, it is | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
about ordinary people that love politicians and media people, it is | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
and dealt with. All of these cases affected individual people and they | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
are the ones that need to have justice in this matter. Next week we | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
will be hearing whether the Privy Council will be reporting on the | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
proposal to replace it. Are you agreeing then that what the mail did | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
have identified a supply of land in their emerging new plans, and we | :25:37. | :41:41. | |
discovered that no new sites have been created in Kent and Sussex in | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
the last five years, although some have been extended. Charities | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
working with travellers and gypsies say there is a real shortage of | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
accommodation, that councils just are not addressing. There are | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
certain strategic pieces of planning that have to really be addressed at | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
national level and not at local level, and one of those is the | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
provision of Gypsy and Traveller sites. If you just leave it to local | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
people, there would not be a site built anywhere, I don't think. Even | :42:13. | :42:21. | |
those local authorities who take things seriously and say they're | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
going to develop a site, very often what happens is the local opposition | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
becomes mobilised, the placards come out, there is angry residents | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
meetings, marchers on the town hall, and the local authority gets | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
cold feet and drops its proposals. A public consultation on the proposals | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
is likely to start in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, three generations | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
of this family hope that their dream of living together at a permanent | :42:48. | :42:55. | |
site will become a reality soon. They were young women like us when | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
they came to this town. Is it going to be that case for our kids? I | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
don't know. It would be a shame. We're joined now by Clarance | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
Mitchell — he is the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Brighton | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
Pavillion, he's in our Westminster studio. | :43:07. | :43:14. | |
The work we heard from, they want a good, settled, stable life, a home | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
for their families just like the rest of us. Is that too much to ask? | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
If they choose to settle and put roots down, if you like, they are | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
entitled to do that wherever they wish. There are also entitled to do | :43:27. | :43:36. | |
it as travellers. Our objection to do this site is not anti—traveller, | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
and it is ridiculous to say that we are racist, and somehow. It is about | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
the practicalities of this particular site. It is the wrong | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
proposal in the wrong place. People fought long and hard to get this | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
designated as a national park, and it should be protected. You say the | :43:53. | :44:01. | |
Conservatives in Brighton and how say it sets a dangerous precedent, | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
but this park is huge and diverse, it covers hundreds of miles. I use | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
saying there should be no homes anywhere, or just no new traveller | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
homes? They should not be large and camps like this being set. 12 sites? | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
Is that large? It is the principle of it. This could bring in over 100 | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
vehicles if those sites are fully occupied. That itself will cause | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
massive access problems. There is only one Small Rd to it. There could | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
be all sorts of tensions, even between the travellers. The main | :44:37. | :44:46. | |
thing is the danger for water contamination. This site is above a | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
tunnel that draws the water off to a small pumping station and then write | :44:51. | :44:58. | |
down to the town. It is not just a local problem for the people in | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
areas nearby. This is a potential problem, there are a lot of | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
questions about water contamination that have not been answered. You say | :45:06. | :45:14. | |
the site is on top of this major tunnel. What are you saying? Is it a | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
suggestion that travellers will go to the toilet straight onto the | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
ground? Are we talking about application and urination? I'm being | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
blunt and this is not anti—traveller, but in the cases of | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
whether have been unauthorised encroachments into other park | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
areas, gas, public areas are used for just the purposes you described, | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
with no attempt to clear it up. But this site would be connected to the | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
mains sewerage. That is another concern, I know. But there | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
government money set aside for creating permanent travellers sites | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
which is not being spent. You also worried about them going to the loo | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
in the field. If they get there sooner connection, there is | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
government money to do it. Problem solved. In this case, a proper sewer | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
will be built, that will be hugely expensive, it has to be built to | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
join the main sewer. On top of that, our concern is that General | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
contamination from the site can sink down 55 metres straight into this | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
tunnel, there is a cesspit which is not big enough for the people who | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
been using the existing site, let alone another influx of families. | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
This is not anti—traveller, it's about it being a protected area. You | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
keep making that point, but it is interesting, on your own website, | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
you celebrate the cultural diversity of Brighton. Diversity is about more | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
than enjoying gay pride. These are your constituents. Does diversity | :46:47. | :46:54. | |
stop at their doors? Many of these people are not constituents. They | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
are mobile, they are not registered voters. The family in our report | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
have been living in the area of the decades. I'm not going to talk about | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
individuals. We believe as a group that this site is a wrong site for a | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
camp of this size and nature. If people do want to settle and stop | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
travelling, that is their right, but they need to be encouraged to buy a | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
plot of land, to apply for proper planning commission and to pay the | :47:20. | :47:26. | |
council tax. There was an obligation here, the suggestion from Clarence | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
Mitchell as they need to go do this by themselves. Henry Smith, there is | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
an obligation by local authorities. Writing and to doing what they are | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
required to do, they are binding and setting aside land. —— Brighton and | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
Hove are doing what they are required to do. And then you get | :47:46. | :47:54. | |
local opposition to bits. Settled people are so opposed, does this not | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
need to be taken up at national level? I think it is absurd that a | :47:57. | :48:04. | |
local planning matters should be decided at national level. That is | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
top down, demand controlled... Well, one of your Conservative MPs | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
says he is going to take this step Eric Pickles, say he wants to refer | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
it up to national level. I think Mike Weatherly is right that local | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
people 's concern should be addressed. If we have a democratic | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
process, that needs to be respected. They looked at 50 sites, and it | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
wasn't just the City Council, it was the South Downs Park authority and | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
their criteria as well. the South Downs Park authority and | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
would be expected to pay council tax, anti—social behaviour would not | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
be tolerated. What is the problem? I think why many people get upset at | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
the prospect of a traveller site near to their homes is because of | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
the experience they have had in the past when travelling communities | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
have come through. That is why people are very concerned and they | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
feel there is not a level playing field, there isn't a fair system. | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
That is why it is right that local authorities who are democratically | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
elected should be deciding these issues. Tristan, you are a Medway | :49:09. | :49:15. | |
Council. Your authority has not created any new traveller sites in | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
the last ideas. Would you to change that? —— in the last ideas. Well, | :49:19. | :49:28. | |
the previous administration looked at a site in the centre of Brighton | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
which is on a former rubbish tip which had significant issues around | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
pollution, and yet they were very happy to place people there. Put | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
your money where your mouth is, let's talk about your council, | :49:41. | :49:47. | |
Medway. Should you be looking at new sites? First of all, it is a | :49:47. | :49:52. | |
Conservative administration. But would you, I'm asking you. You would | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
like to be in control one day, presumably. We need to take the | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
toxicity out of this debate. We absolutely have a responsibility to | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
house people. This has been going on for three or four years in Brighton. | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
It's going to go on for longer because there will be public | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
consultation on this one. Thank you both, and our prankster Clarence | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
Mitchell. Now, Dave doesn't want one, Nick | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
does and, well, Ed agrees with Nick. The 'mansion tax' has showed up some | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
clear blue water between the two parties in the Coalition Government, | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
and has placed Labour squarely in support of the Liberal Democrats on | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
this key policy. Outside London, the South East has nearly 60% of the | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
country's most expensive properties, so it's the kind of issue that may | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
play big on the doorstep. In our Westminster studio now is | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
James Flanagan who is the Liberal Democrat candidate for Canterbury | :50:44. | :50:52. | |
and Whitstable. This mansion tax, by my reckoning, | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
page 14 of the Lib Dems last manifesto. How committed is the | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
party to it now? We are very committed, we think it is a very | :51:01. | :51:07. | |
fair tax. It will affect less than 1% of properties across the country. | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
We believe it will bring in the best part of £2 billion which can be | :51:11. | :51:16. | |
spent in other schemes, for example, put it towards lower income tax in | :51:16. | :51:23. | |
the future. Less than 1% across the country, but it could affect quite | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
icky people in your prospective constituency. It's not going to play | :51:26. | :51:34. | |
out well back, is it? The average house price here is about £230,000. | :51:34. | :51:40. | |
That does not mean there are not properties that are considerably | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
more valuable. Indeed, but I'd spoken to many people and explained | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
the concept of the tax, and they are very supportive. Why don't you | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
explain it to us. How would it work? There would be an annual levy of 1% | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
on properties of £2 million or more. That is not for the £2 million, any | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
part of the valuation above 2 million would be taxed at 1%. So if | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
your property was worth £3 million, you would pay £10,000 every year for | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
the privilege of owning that house? That's right, and what we're saying | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
is, in these difficult times, we believe the wealthiest in society | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
should contribute a little bit more. A big house is only one measure of | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
the wealthiest. You could have two houses, one in Canterbury worth 1.7 | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
five million and another house in the West Country were the same | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
amount in you would not pay anything. That's right, if you own | :52:38. | :52:45. | |
two houses, both valued at 2 million or 1.9 million each, you would not | :52:45. | :52:50. | |
pay the mansion tax. You would still pay council tax and you would still | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
pay capital gains tax on the house that is not your main residence, so | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
overall you would still be paying a large amount of tax. You are | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
branding yourself as the high tax party, are you not handing boats on | :53:02. | :53:09. | |
a platter to the Conservatives? We are branding ourselves as a party | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
that wants to see a stronger economy and a fairer society. On the point | :53:13. | :53:23. | |
of tax, our policy of raising the income tax threshold has been a key | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
policy and we've helped to bring out in. By doing that, we've lifted 3 | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
million people out of low income tax and we've given a tax cut to many | :53:33. | :53:42. | |
more. We are privileged to have a representative of the three major | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
political parties here. Tristan, the Labour, would you like to see and | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
syntax in the Labour Party manifesto? —— to see a mansion tax. | :53:50. | :54:01. | |
We would like to see a similar 1,, £2 million. We would reintroduce a | :54:01. | :54:10. | |
10p tax which would raise significant sons. We put it to | :54:10. | :54:17. | |
parliament in March and the Lib Dems actually did not vote to support us. | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
They talk a good game, but when it comes to voting in Parliament, they | :54:21. | :54:30. | |
actually voted against. Henry, it is a little uncomfortable, isn't it? | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
The Lib Dems, your coalition partners, and you are never going to | :54:34. | :54:37. | |
agree, because your party looks after rich people. That's not true, | :54:37. | :54:43. | |
we are looking to reduce taxation across for, because we think when | :54:43. | :54:49. | |
people are allowed to keep more of what they earn, they will spend it | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
more efficiently rather than an inefficient government, however | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
well—meaning that will be. The trouble with the mansion tax idea is | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
it sounds catchy, but in actual fact, to raise £2 billion, it would | :55:01. | :55:08. | |
have to be levied against 150,000 homes. In many of those, you may | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
have people who are asset rich but income poor. He is not going to come | :55:12. | :55:20. | |
onto your side. So it is you and Labour on this one, isn't it? A new | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
coalition. We do agree. That's all we got time at —— four. Just a quick | :55:27. | :55:37. | |
round—up of the political events of this week. | :55:37. | :55:48. | |
After 65 days of protests, 125 arrests and £4 million of policing | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
costs, drilling has ceased and the anti—fracking protesters have gone | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
home. Medway has some of the highest debt rates in the country, so will | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
be welcome rules that the government is planning tougher regulations of | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
payday lenders? I think it is important we don't | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
force people into the illegal lending sphere. | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
Boris Johnson spoke positively of the potential hub airport in the | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
Thames Estoril. Locals aren't so positive about it. The Rochester | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
MP's own survey of the Medway towns said 92% of people were against the | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
idea. And it is the People's peer, so let | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
them have a stake in it. Renovation on Hastings Pier begin next month, | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
and residents are being given the opportunity to become shareholders | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
in the project. I should certainly think about it. Maybe it isn't so | :56:41. | :56:49. | |
exciting that some after all. Landlocked constituencies, both of | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
you, but would you buy shares in a peer? It seems like an innovative | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
idea. That's it from us this week. more affordable homes needed, but we | :56:55. | :57:07. | |
have no time. Andrew, back to you. Our next guest is no stranger to | :57:07. | :57:19. | |
controversy, a former UKIP MEP he recently lost his party's whip after | :57:19. | :57:41. | |
a series of outbursts including receiving aid as 'Bongo Bongo Land' | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
and joking that a group of UKIP women who didn't clean behind their | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
fridges were 'sluts'. Now he sits in independent but remains a UKIP party | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
member. Here's a flavour of recent events in the political life of | :57:53. | :58:02. | |
Godfrey Bloom. How you can possibly be giving £1 million a month... | :58:03. | :58:12. | |
Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails within 12 hours, only 47 were not | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
agreeing with me so you are the within 12 hours, only 47 were not | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
that is out of touch. Everybody knows me, a bit like the Marmite | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
joke, they love me or they hate knows me, a bit like the Marmite | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
but I have always told me like it is. I made a joke and said that | :58:27. | :58:37. | |
women who did not clean behind the French were sluts and everybody | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
laughed along, including the women. I have had hundreds of e-mails, | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
saying, God Almighty, can't you I have had hundreds of e-mails, | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
a joke any more? I am long in the correctness and I understand UKIP | :58:50. | :58:56. | |
have moved on and they are doing well, and I wish them well. This, | :58:56. | :59:10. | |
with no black faces on it. You are picking people out for the colour of | :59:10. | :59:16. | |
with no black faces on it. You are their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps | :59:16. | :59:19. | |
the way they are doing things now is disgrace me. We are joined now with | :59:19. | :59:27. | |
a suitable distance between us by the independent MEP for Yorkshire | :59:27. | :59:34. | |
and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You said this weekend that you have | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You be a complete sociopath to be in | :59:39. | :59:47. | |
politics, are you a sociopath? No, I am just an ordinary bloke from the | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
rugby club likes to tell it as it is. I did not come into politics to | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
rugby club likes to tell it as it save my country from the clutches of | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
the awful, evil... That is why I am in politics, and that is why I | :00:00. | :00:06. | |
member, and I will still be voting ability... Do you accept that your | :00:06. | :00:14. | |
conference? We were both born in ability... Do you accept that your | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
same year, we are too old to worry about regrets. Let's look forward | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
and see... Never mind the year I was born, what is the answer to my | :00:27. | :00:35. | |
country and intent to do the best I independent for my country, and | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
country and intent to do the best I re-elected. They are the only game | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
in town, the only party that will get as out. Shouldn't you have been | :00:44. | :00:54. | |
liability? You hijacked the party conference. That is a matter of | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
perception. We have heard nothing in the last two years but it is a | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, and I can make a joke at a fringe | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
meeting and collapse the whole thing. This doesn't say anything | :01:05. | :01:13. | |
Andrew. It tells you about your journalism - it is not about UKIP or | :01:13. | :01:22. | |
me, it was the journalists' reaction to a small joke at a meeting. And | :01:22. | :01:29. | |
myself, unless I had a commended. Personality, the most unbelievable | :01:29. | :01:43. | |
force of personality to collapse a party conference. Nigel Farage has | :01:43. | :01:55. | |
been a friend of mine for 20 years, and may I remind you that in June | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
and July UK was slipping in the polls, and when I made my statement | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
about overseas aid, we went back to liability, I never was, I am a vote | :02:05. | :02:13. | |
getter. As you know, there is a correlation, but let me show you | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
what Nigel Farage had to say about you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
of that. We are not here to win friends amongst the liberal elite, | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
and Godfrey's problem was that he manifesto. Don't you need to reflect | :02:29. | :02:38. | |
that you are too outrageous, too politically incorrect even for UKIP? | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
Well, you see, to a certain extent I politically incorrect even for UKIP? | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
have been gagged on other subjects. I am a libertarian, I wanted to | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
have been gagged on other subjects. about flat tax. I thought David | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in the times on drugs, and I have been | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
gagged to speak about any of these things because they are not part of | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
it, so I tend to speak about other things. Maybe they have outgrown | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
machine, and they have to get rid of the Victor Meldrew wing. You might | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
have a point, but I am speaking the Victor Meldrew wing. You might | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
you from Hull, and if you look at Barnsley, and very recently in | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
Scarborough and Whitby in the buy legends, 25%, so how you see things | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we see it appear in Yorkshire. You | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we like the one who was sitting in | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
course it isn't, we are getting bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
of the vote in by-elections, of course it is not. Boy, wouldn't | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
of the vote in by-elections, of main parties and the establishment | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
love to see that! But I am sorry, it is not happening. Will you stand as | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
an independence against UKIP in is not happening. Will you stand as | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
European elections? Almost certainly elections were next week, I could | :03:54. | :04:07. | |
do not think I will go that route. Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
again? We do not know, probably Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
but I shall certainly be trying Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
help UKIP as best I can. You both share a flat, I understand, in | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
Brussels, neither of you clean behind the fridge. Other than the | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
fact that the place is probably quite murky, you have got a chance | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
to talk to each other and get back into his good graces, haven't you? I | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
am sure we will be having a beer before the month is out. So Godfrey | :04:34. | :04:43. | |
take it? For those of you who were shrugged! Thank you very much for | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
joining. A great pleasure. I will have to move my own share, you do | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
not have the sea Jeremy Paxman doing that! Nobody votes for UKIP because | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
they think they are a smooth, slick, absence of PR polish is the reason | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
for their popularity, so these are skirmishes are not a problem, and | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
more than that, Godfrey Bloom does make Nigel Farage look better. Even | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
in that clip from Andrew Marr, he juxtaposition with someone like | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
Godfrey Bloom than he has done before. I mean, he did hijacked | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
Godfrey Bloom than he has done conference, it was a disaster, they | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
got tonnes of publicity but not conference, it was a disaster, they | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
kind they wanted. But you have to journalists. I thought he was sexist | :05:28. | :05:36. | |
long before anyone else, he used to have an incredible page on his | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
website entitled Godfrey Bloom: Misogynist, and the proof that he | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
photographed with a girls' rugby characters in politics. He does | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
photographed with a girls' rugby Nigel Farage look better, but is sin | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
was to say things you said before but to ruin the party conference. It | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
sounds like he is coming back. A beer in Brussels and he will be | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
sounds like he is coming back. A on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
beer in that built the Chechen, on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
sounds like it may be what the deal is that he comes back into UKIP | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
sounds like it may be what the deal does not stand as an MEP at the | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
European Parliamentary elections. -- in that built the kitchen. It is | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
right to say the electorate are sophisticated and they know what | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
this party is for, what characters Godfrey Bloom said for people to | :06:24. | :06:32. | |
electorate know what they go using UKIP four. They are using it as | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
electorate know what they go using vehicle to beat over the head the | :06:37. | :06:37. | |
three established parties. They vehicle to beat over the head the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
probably do it in the European elections and give them first place. | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
The big question is what happens in problem that Nigel Farage was making | :06:44. | :06:55. | |
The big question is what happens in an Andrew Marr this morning is that | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
he wants to copy the tactics of an Andrew Marr this morning is that | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
he wants to copy the tactics of Paddy Ashdown, get elected and | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
councils, build up a Parliamentary base, and to do that you do need | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
Commons next week, and there is base, and to do that you do need | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
ministerial reshuffle on the cards, that is the rumour in Westminster. | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
David Cameron has spoken of the that is the rumour in Westminster. | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
David Cameron has spoken of the extraordinary talent pool of women | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
among his ministers, so could he bring more of them into the cabinet? | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
He was talking about it earlier bring more of them into the cabinet? | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
week. I think we are getting there in Britain, but we have a long way | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
businesses in Britain, there are not boardroom. If you look at politics | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
in Britain, there aren't nearly enough women around the Cabinet | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
table. So I think, in every walk of life, whether it is the judiciary, | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
whether it is politics, business, there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
the last election, we only had there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
women Members of Parliament. We there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
have around 50, so we have made there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
big change, but it is still 50 out of 300, not nearly enough. So we | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to say, if you don't have women in | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to places, you're not just missing | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to missing out on a lot more than | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to of the talent, and I think she | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to probably has a point. The prime | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to there going to be a reshuffle? I | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
think you are right to say there there going to be a reshuffle? I | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
will be a lot more women, they need to change the ratio of women to | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
will be a lot more women, they need called Dave who went to maudlin | :08:24. | :08:32. | |
college. So obviously they are not fishing in the biggest talent pool, | :08:32. | :08:42. | |
but there are numbers. Esther McVey has been selling a very difficult | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
brief in work and pensions, you could see people being given bigger | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
roles. Helen is pretty sure. We could see people being given bigger | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
told it is not a Cabinet level reshuffle me it is under Secretary | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
level, so maybe you could put Esther McVey into the Cabinet. Margot | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
James, who you had here not that long ago, she is very impressive. | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
What is impressive is that some long ago, she is very impressive. | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
like Andrea Leadsom, who is really impressive, worked in the City, | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
like Andrea Leadsom, who is really smart, really big on important | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
intervention, she should still be in there, but she fell out with George | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
Osborne when she dared to criticise him a few years ago over Ed Balls | :09:23. | :09:32. | |
you are doing it on talent, Andrea expectation, if he does not do this | :09:32. | :09:40. | |
now, a tonne of bricks will fall on him. He has got no excuse not to | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
promote women, because the 2010 intake was disproportionately female | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
in terms of talent. The question of the Tories and the struggle with | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
women voters is a very deep and historic one. You have to remember | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
that for most of the post-war period they had an advantage electorally | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
amongst women voters. Many times Conservative government without | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
amongst women voters. Many times women of this country. This began to | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
change in the mid-1990s, and the question is, why has that happened? | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
personalities at the top are now much more hostile to women, or less, | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
personalities at the top are now Brent doubled to female voters? | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
personalities at the top are now is such a deep historical trend | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
personalities at the top are now I do not think one reshuffle will | :10:28. | :10:35. | |
change it. -- or less competent civil. The English party conference | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
season is over, do you share the consensus view that Ed Miliband | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
season is over, do you share the out best of the three party leaders? | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
I think I probably do, but his overall approval ratings are still | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus ten. And the more the recovery seems | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus to take place, and some of the | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
latest figures are quite amazing, they certainly surprised me, you | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
wonder whether Labour's tactic is right to put all their eggs into the | :11:07. | :11:14. | |
living standards basket. I was looking at car sales, which are | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
booming. If people start to feel better, and they don't yet, but | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
booming. If people start to feel they were, it is tougher to go on | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
about living standards. George Osborne's... You have Ed Miliband | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
making a great thing about living standards, but then they say under | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
their breath, this is global forces, outstripping wage increases. And | :11:36. | :11:43. | |
you're absolutely right, as the economy improves, presumably that | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
will be dealt with, but Miliband's argument will be that there are | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
people suffering, and even if the economy recovers, they will still | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
forces, it is difficult to blame the government for that. Body being | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
noticed now, there is nothing worse for the leader of the opposition | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
than to be not noticed. -- but he is being noticed now. It seems that he | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
in many ways has set the political weather. Look at the number of | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
references to the Labour leader weather. Look at the number of | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
Mr Cameron's speech. And in Mr Obama's speech on a similar topic, | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
living standards. Was the mentioning Ed Miliband?! Oh, he was using the | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
same language, he has not gone that far. If I were Ed Miliband, I would | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
be more worried now, because Labour through the kitchen sink at their | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
conference. They came out with the biggest policy announcements they | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
could, compulsory apprenticeships, the energy freeze on prices, and it | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
generated a poll boost which has fizzled away within ten days. I | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
generated a poll boost which has not know where they go from here. | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
What is significant with Ed Miliband conference beaches, he has set the | :12:56. | :13:03. | |
one nation Britain, and the problem with those speeches is people say, | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
they are fine, they are academic, but what does it mean? What you | :13:07. | :13:14. | |
they are fine, they are academic, now is an intellectual framework | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
that translates into policies. The polls to watch are not the ones | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
after the conferences, but at the end of the month when it has also | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
pulled down. They will tell us where we are going. We will have to go | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
ourselves now. Thank you to our guests. The Daily Politics will | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
ourselves now. Thank you to our back tomorrow at noon on BBC Two, | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
and I will be back on BBC One this time, same time, next week. If it is | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics. | :13:37. | :13:39. |