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Later in the programme, with hundreds of thousands of people at | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
increased risk of developing diabetes, we hear that turning the | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2305 seconds | :01:27. | :39:53. | |
tide against the disease is a major How law and on at the Sunday | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
Politics Wales, we hear concerns about the growing problem of | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
diabetes. And as the Welsh Minister -- as the Welsh Business Minister | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
sets up a review into whether banks are making it easier for companies | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
to borrow money, we will hear a Welsh Conservative plan. Joining me | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
throughout today's programme are the Liberal Democrat, Lord German, | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
and Labour's Kevin Brennan. Good morning to you both. I wonder when | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
the weather will improve. We read this morning that relations between | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
both of your party leaders in Westminster are improving. Ed | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
Miliband and Nick Clegg appear to be getting on better. Kevin Brennan, | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
what are the implications of this improvement? I suspect it might be | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
slightly exaggerated. I have read the article in The Observor. There | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
is a lot going on in Parliament that means that Labour and the Lib | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
Dems are working together, including the boundary changes. | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
Wales was going to lose 25% of its Parliamentary seats, which you | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
supported us one. It means that Wales could retain 40% if the war | :41:00. | :41:09. | |
Connett this week. That has meant that we can work together more. -- | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
could retain 40% working on business week. I am sure there will | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
be plenty of real politics between the two parties. Were you aware | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
that relations were frosty in the first place? He yes, a lot of anger | :41:25. | :41:35. | |
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and rage. It was like going into an areas box. -- ice Boks. You see a | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
lot of hatred coming through. It has not been like that in Wales. | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
What we have had to learn to do is get used to each other more. It is | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
the product of the boundary review and the change and people | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
recognising that the next General Election might not be a foregone | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
conclusion. There is also the sense that being less tribal is so | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
important in politics. The people out there do not like it much. If | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
we are constantly angry at each other, it does not give you the | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
clue to the questions be but are asking and the answers they are | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
looking for. Is there a sense perhaps that there is pragmatism | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
here that may be Labour feel, if governing the next time, the Lib | :42:17. | :42:23. | |
Dems might be needed to help them out? Labour would hope to win an | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
overall majority. If the people decide something different, you | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
have to look at that situation. It is difficult, as he said, the Lib | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
Dems having gone in with the Conservatives. Traditionally, they | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
are seen as the arch-enemy. That caused some resentment. Nick Clegg | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
saying he would not work with Gordon Brown caused resentment. | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
Some people saying we should say the same to the Lib Dems. There is | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
that residual feeling. But at the end of the day, we will look to win | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
an overall majority and hope to convince people a Labour Government | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
is the best solution. We shall leave it there for now. Are banks | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
lending enough to businesses? The Business Minister, Edwina Hart, | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
thinks perhaps not and has launched an independent review to establish | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
whether firms in Wales are getting the support needed. In terms of | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
what the banks are doing, reporting locally with good work done with | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
businesses, but when I go out and about, that is not what is said. | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
People say there is still difficulty getting money. They are | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
happy we are running various schemes for cash. The reality is it | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
is quite hard for businesses, not getting the money required. And the | :43:35. | :43:42. | |
banks simply a refinancing -- refinancing existing lending. | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
Welsh Conservatives have also been looking at business lending and | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
will launch their proposals tomorrow. To give a flavour ahead | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
of them is the party's leader in the Assembly, Andrew RT Davies, in | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
Cardiff. Thank you for joining us. Good morning. We heard there from | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
Edwina Hart, launching a review. Plaid Cymru have called for a | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
national as Bank of Wales. -- nationalised Bank of Wales. What | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
would you party offer? I have heard about the review and about Plaid | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
Cymru's proposals. We are launching a document tomorrow. The issue is | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
about local lending to local businesses. There is a real issue. | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
All sorts of organisations have identified the decision-making | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
process and the ability for businesses to access local invites | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
-- advised. We have pulled various strands together. A major political | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
party will bring a document out tomorrow that addresses this in a | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
fully costed way. I know you are party have been working on this for | :44:46. | :44:53. | |
months. It is a big piece of work. The Government recognises what you | :44:53. | :44:59. | |
are raising as well, launching a review last week. The Professor | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
leading that cheers you party's economic Commission. What about the | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
fact he is doing work for the Government on the same thing? | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
commend their work. But that is a review. What we are proposing | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
tomorrow is a ready-made model that has done the groundwork, can be | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
delivered, by delivering a local lending structure, making Wales | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
into six different regions, so there are local managers working | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
with the commercial sector, not replacing it, in partnership so | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
that decision-making can be taken locally. What we have the ability | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
is 93% of lending is in the hands of five big banks. It is 13% in | :45:40. | :45:46. | |
Germany. We have to increase the flow of money into small businesses | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
and the decision-making and advice that can be given in local | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
communities. That is what is missing. Many decisions are taken | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
at either regional levels, such as in Birmingham and Manchester, or a | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
national level in London or Edinburgh. Are you talking about | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
Welsh Government banks, shops on the high street? No, it is about | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
working in partnership with the commercial sector. Walking in the | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
backs with them? We launched the policy tomorrow and the detail will | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
be there. -- walking in the banks with them? I have to be careful | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
about how much the Tuilagi have narrowed. It is not about replacing | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
the commercial sector, but working in partnership. -- I have to be | :46:32. | :46:39. | |
careful about how much detail I give up now. Explain what Finance | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
Bills is? It is the Welsh Government's finance vehicle, set | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
up in 2000, to lend to businesses in Wales that would have normal | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
credit Brits turn down. Many businesses have not heard of it. We | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
need to localised lending and the support that bank managers can give. | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
We want to work in partnership with the commercial sector, not in | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
competition, and this will show that with case studies and the way | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
we believe this model can be taken forward. It is the first time a | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
major party in the United Kingdom has come forward with such a | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
document. You say you would work with the commercial sector. The | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
senses the commercial sector are not lending to businesses, so that | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
is not working, but if the Welsh Government are in the banks with | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
them, they are still not going to lend because you will. It is about | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
element of risk. Businesses out there may be do not have an | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
established track record on a business model that does not fall | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
into the lending decisions that the commercial sector have decided to | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
go with. If you look at Germany or Sweden, where the banking structure | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
is very different, 13% of major decisions are only taking by high- | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
street banks and a lot of decisions taken by local regional banking. In | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
North America, you have a strong support network for working up a | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
business proposal. And taking a chance on an entrepreneur's | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
decision ought idea, so we can create more business opportunities. | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
Everyone recognises that the private sector in Wales is not big | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
enough and finance is a key component about allowing it to grow. | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
That can complement the economy. Andrew RT Davies, thank you for | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
your time and beat expect more detail on that pro -- on that | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
promotes all -- we expect more detail on that proposal tomorrow. | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
Working closely with the banks there. Is that a good idea? I never | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
forgot that after the 12 years of 13 years of the National Assembly | :48:45. | :48:53. | |
that I would say good ideas are coming back again. We set up in | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
2000 Finance Bills to do precisely that job of being able to lend to | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
businesses around Wales. I introduced the scheme at the time. | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
It is a great idea. There is or was a chance to revitalise it. It is | :49:08. | :49:16. | |
what is needed. To get the money flowing to company. -- two | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
companies. It needs a stick of dynamite, behind the whole notion | :49:20. | :49:26. | |
to get it working. And this not just a Welsh issue. Vince Cable | :49:26. | :49:33. | |
announced a similar review to that which Edwina Hart has called for. | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
It is not a Welsh problem. It suggests that it is quite tricky. | :49:37. | :49:45. | |
It is very tricky. We are talking about a banking sector here which | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
basically be scaled after the deregulation of the 1980s. -- which | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
basically a reduced skills. Anyone talented, anyone wanting to do well | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
in the banking sector, understandably went down the | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
investment banking route, where the fast but was there to be made. And | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
we are paying the price for that. - - where the fast money was there to | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
be made. People used to know how to lend to small and medium-sized | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
businesses. Now you get small businesses going to the banks, were | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
they are considered for loans, and making it harder for those | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
businesses to borrow. It is right on at the heart -- or Edwina Hart | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
to do this. She is right to have a former Conservative candidate as | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
well. It is a bit odd that Andrew Davis is waving his little blue | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
book to us when his colleague is doing the review for the Government. | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
Hopefully we can get the best ideas together to try and at least | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
cracked some of the problem here in Wales. It is a big structural | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
problem in the banking sector. Consensus politics was the way the | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
Assembly was described in 1999 and it seems Plaid Cymru are putting | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
forward a similar idea. You touched on what Edwina Hart is doing. And | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
now the Conservatives. Everyone agrees this is a problem? I suspect | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
the Government will want to look at all ideas coming forward as part of | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
this review in order to strengthen as much as possible within Wales | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
what can be done to strengthen lending to small and medium-sized | :51:21. | :51:28. | |
businesses. You touch earlier on the launch of finance Wales, the | :51:28. | :51:34. | |
exact kind of thing. It was a grand we got by using some of the | :51:34. | :51:40. | |
European money better. But it did not work? It did work. It works for | :51:40. | :51:47. | |
a while, because it was abolished, that scheme was abolished after | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
2003. There is every need to go back to those fundamentals. Make | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
finance Wales were properly on behalf of the people for the | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
businesses of Wales. -- work properly. People need loans as well | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
as grants. There is a whole mechanism which has to be opened up. | :52:06. | :52:12. | |
The balance of risk that can be shared between the banks and the | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
company's can help to give that bit of impetus to lending in Wales. We | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
have the advantage of European money, which is what finance Wales | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
should roll in as well. All of that together should give Wales and | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
economic advantage in lending in the way that other parts of the UK | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
cannot have. We shall leave it there. | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
A leading charity is warning the Welsh NHS could be overwhelmed by a | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
disease which deprives people of their eyesight, causes strokes, | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
kidney failure and premature death. Diabetes UK Cymru has told this | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
programme that, with hundreds of thousands of people have won high | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
blood cloakrooms levels -- having high blood glucose levels, and a | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
much increased risk of developing the disorder, turning the tide is a | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
major test for devolution. Being overweight and a lack of exercise | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
is the usual cause. In the past week, we have had the | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
first clips of how the health board's plan to reshape health | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
services. They have to shore often angry communities they are doing | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
the right thing. But there is a disease threatening to spiral out | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
of control. Diabetes. Eirian Jones from Carmarthen show was diagnosed | :53:28. | :53:37. | |
with Type 2 diabetes two years ago after a routine blood test. I have | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
been quite fortunate that I was diagnosed early on. But if you | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
imagine somebody walking around, maybe for ten years, having the | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
disease and not knowing. By the time it is discovered, the damage | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
is done. In just the past two years, the number of people such as Eirian | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
being diagnosed with diabetes in Wales has risen by 9.4% to 167,000. | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
It is estimated that figure will rise between now and 2025 to more | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
than a quarter of a million and research and analysis by Diabetes | :54:12. | :54:18. | |
UK Cymru estimates that there are 66,000 of us who have diabetes but | :54:18. | :54:28. | |
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do not know it. We have 350,000 people with what is called diabetes | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
-- what is called the diabetes. It is costing the NHS half-a- billion | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
pounds a year. We should be very worried. Dai Williams from Diabetes | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
UK Cymru says turning around the diabetes epidemic is a key test for | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
devolution. Politicians are there to represent the population and | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
their well-being. Diabetes is threatening that well-being. They | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
have a plan to deal with it. It is for the Executive to implement that | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
plan. It is a big problem for Government to implement these | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
plants. It is not enough to have one and put it on the shelf. It has | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
to be implemented. There are also concerns about the lack of medical | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
staff to treat and crucially educate patients about diabetes. | :55:15. | :55:23. | |
do feel that there is insufficient resources put into the role of | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
specialist practitioners. Clinicians across the board. But I | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
would say about nursing staff. There are insufficient specialist | :55:30. | :55:37. | |
nurses in Wales trained in the care of diabetes to deal with this, with | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
the numbers of population suffering. The Assembly's Health Committee is | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
holding an inquiry into diabetes services as ministers consult on a | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
new action plan. The Welsh Government told Sunday Politics it | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
aims to have diabetes incident rates and health care outcomes | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
comparable to the best in Europe. It expects the action plan to be in | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
place by June. Sustained efforts to spot and treat diabetes better | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
might be much lower profile than the big structural changes taking | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
place in NHS Wales. But campaigners and medics warned that, without | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
major improvements, the condition poses a very real threat to the | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
future of the service and hundreds of thousands of lives. | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
Kevin Brennan, a few issues here, the obvious health concern that | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
possibly, in just over ten years, one in the 12 of us would have | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
diabetes. But also the figure that it costs �0.5 billion a year to | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
treat diabetes related incidents at a time when the NHS is struggling | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
to keep up with what it has to pay for now. Indeed. In the case of | :56:46. | :56:53. | |
Type 2 diabetes, it has been on the rise and is related to modern | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
lifestyles and being sedentary. As we are now. And obesity and so on. | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
It is something that needs to be dealt with in a public health side | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
as well as treatment. Wales is well placed. I am glad that the Health | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
Committee is leading an inquiry into it from the Health Committee | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
in the Assembly. My colleague next met has been working on this in the | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
House of Commons. -- my colleague has been working on this. It is | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
looking at issues of obesity and looking at community-based services | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
to help people with diabetes. The consequences can be horrendous, | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
including blindness, amputations. And with good proper humanity based | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
care, you can alleviate a lot of problems and save money you would | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
otherwise have to spend. Kevin mentioned about how we treat people | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
who have this, or the ways of doing it. There was quite a stark warning | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
from the Royal College of Nursing that there are not enough nurses | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
would specialism to work in this field. There is extra money | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
announced or training in the past week, not specifically for diabetes, | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
but that is very concerning? think it is of great concern. In | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
2002, there was a national service framework in place for diabetes in | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
Wales. The problem is getting worse. We know that more and more people | :58:16. | :58:21. | |
are getting up because of the modern lifestyle. But also Type 1 | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Diabetes is increasing, which is about a lack of insulin in your | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
body. There is the need for someone to get a grip on the whole thing. | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
The original document... Who is that person? Somebody who can bring | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
together community needs to get community medicine up and running | :58:38. | :58:44. | |
with it. To be able to spot it and er identify it and getting early. | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
Belly knowledge about the problem will certainly help. -- Early | :58:48. | :58:55. | |
knowledge. It is best to treated at the very earlier stages. It is a | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
multi-faceted problem and we need to get a grip on it in a way that | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
meets some central co-ordination. So that it can be brought out to | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
everyone. This is a problem which will affect many of us. We shall | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
leave it there for now. We now have time for a quick look back at some | :59:13. | :59:21. | |
of the political stories of the week in 60 seconds. | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
The Welsh Government will fund a shortfall in the budget for council | :59:26. | :59:29. | |
tax benefits, having previously said no funds were available. | :59:29. | :59:35. | |
Thousands of households now will not lose out financially. On the | :59:35. | :59:42. | |
150th anniversary of Lloyd George's death, it is said the basic rate of | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
income tax should be reduced if Wales has tax-paying powers. After | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
40 years in politics, Jonathan Evans said he will not stand for | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
election in 2015. Plans for big changes to the NHS across Wales | :59:56. | :00:01. | |
dominated party leader exchanges at First Minister's Questions. It | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
digital services in North East Wales were described as shambolic, | :00:05. | :00:11. | |
because many viewers still need a set-top box to watch BBC One Wales. | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
And the Swansea MP invited a concert in the city next year to | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
mark the centenary of Dylan Thomas's birth. He is hoping their | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
invitation will not go blowing in the wind. | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
Let us start with Bob Dylan. You have been to see him twice, would | :00:32. | :00:42. | |
you see him again? I wish him in his luck to get him there. | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
Apparently, he got the inspiration for Dylan Thomas to take on his new | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
name. I was going to touch and the fact we have two musicians. You | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
play the piano, would you consider joining on one night only? I think | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
my style of music is slightly different. We have a composer in | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
residence in Parliament and perhaps we could bring together some music | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
that brings together the different styles. Two more serious political | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
issues. Some people describing it as a U-turn for the Government, | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
saying they had found the money to cover a black hole to pay council | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
tax benefits to people. Almost a quarter of a million would not have | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
to pay it next year. What you think about that? It has been a shambolic | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
process to get towards what is a sensible solution. I applaud the | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
solution, but parents of many children have been receiving | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
letters saying they would have to pay more money. And it could be | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
this amount of money and now they will not have to do it. It is the | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
right solution, but has been a night near the way the Welsh | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
Government has approached it. you had had people coming to | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
surgeries worried they would have to pay it, only to find out they do | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
not? I should point out the reason of this Government is in this | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
position is your colleagues in Parliament voted through this | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
change. That leaves the Welsh Government having to make an almost | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
impossible choice about how to cover its budget with the changes | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
the Government have made and when spinster in relation to council-tax | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
benefit. -- made in Westminster. I am glad the Government has looked | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
at the terrible social impact that is coming her mac Wake and is | :02:32. | :02:36. |