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Later in the programme - Later in the programme -

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Later in the programme - The chair of Sport Wales holds

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The chair of Sport Wales holds The chair of Sport Wales holds

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court on what lessons the Welsh court on what lessons the Welsh

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court on what lessons the Welsh Government can learn to get more

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Government can learn to get more Government can learn to get more

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2192 seconds

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women recruited onto the boards of Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales

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Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales

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- How will the Welsh Government - How will the Welsh Government

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- How will the Welsh Government make sure that more women are

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make sure that more women are make sure that more women are

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recruited onto the boards of public recruited onto the boards of public

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recruited onto the boards of public bodies? The chair of Sport Wales

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bodies? The chair of Sport Wales bodies? The chair of Sport Wales

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tells us about the lessons her tells us about the lessons her

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organisation has learned while organisation has learned while

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organisation has learned while organisation has learned while

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giving me a lesson on the squash court.

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court. court.

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The first spring conference of the The first spring conference of the

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The first spring conference of the season is over. Plaid Cymru have

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season is over. Plaid Cymru have season is over. Plaid Cymru have

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been in Beaumaris over the weekend. been in Beaumaris over the weekend.

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been in Beaumaris over the weekend. We'll hear from their leader,

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Leanne Wood. Leanne Wood.

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Joining me throughout today's Joining me throughout today's

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Joining me throughout today's programme are the Labour peer,

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programme are the Labour peer, programme are the Labour peer,

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Baroness Gale, and the Conservative Baroness Gale, and the Conservative

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Baroness Gale, and the Conservative Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good

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Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good

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Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good morning to you both. Thank you for

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morning to you both. Thank you for morning to you both. Thank you for

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coming in. Byron Davies, let's coming in. Byron Davies, let's

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coming in. Byron Davies, let's begin with comments from your party

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begin with comments from your party begin with comments from your party

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leader, David Cameron, on the front leader, David Cameron, on the front

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leader, David Cameron, on the front of the Sunday Telegraph telling the

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of the Sunday Telegraph telling the Conservative fightback starts now

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Conservative fightback starts now Conservative fightback starts now

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post Eastleigh by-election. I think post Eastleigh by-election. I think

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post Eastleigh by-election. I think David Cameron are showing a strong

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David Cameron are showing a strong David Cameron are showing a strong

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leadership. We are mid-term and leadership. We are mid-term and

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leadership. We are mid-term and leadership. We are mid-term and

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that is expected. It is about a that is expected. It is about a

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that is expected. It is about a that is expected. It is about a

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fight back and coming back. He is a fight back and coming back. He is a

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fight back and coming back. He is a strong leader and we will be

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strong leader and we will be strong leader and we will be

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successful at the next election. successful at the next election.

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successful at the next election. Baroness Gale, there is pressure on

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Baroness Gale, there is pressure on Baroness Gale, there is pressure on

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the Prime Minister to take the the Prime Minister to take the

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the Prime Minister to take the Conservative Party more to the

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Conservative Party more to the Conservative Party more to the

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Conservative Party more to the right to see off UK. Are they the

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right to see off UK. Are they the right to see off UK. Are they the

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biggest threat? They came second to biggest threat? They came second to

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biggest threat? They came second to nurse him Eastleigh, at their best

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nurse him Eastleigh, at their best nurse him Eastleigh, at their best

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result ever in any election. I result ever in any election. I

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result ever in any election. I think the Prime Minister has got

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think the Prime Minister has got think the Prime Minister has got

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problems with his right wing. He problems with his right wing. He

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problems with his right wing. He tried to appease them by having

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tried to appease them by having tried to appease them by having

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offering the referendum to get out offering the referendum to get out

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offering the referendum to get out offering the referendum to get out

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of the EU and that simply has not of the EU and that simply has not

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of the EU and that simply has not worked. He will have difficulty in

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worked. He will have difficulty in worked. He will have difficulty in

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trying to win his right wing-back. trying to win his right wing-back.

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trying to win his right wing-back. Hopefully he won't go further to

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Hopefully he won't go further to Hopefully he won't go further to

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Hopefully he won't go further to the right. If he does have to try

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the right. If he does have to try the right. If he does have to try

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to appease the back benches, are to appease the back benches, are

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to appease the back benches, are to appease the back benches, are

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you concerned they might be a lurch you concerned they might be a lurch

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you concerned they might be a lurch you concerned they might be a lurch

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to the right? I don't think so. No, to the right? I don't think so. No,

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to the right? I don't think so. No, to the right? I don't think so. No,

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I don't think so. Thank you for the time being.

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time being. time being.

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The Equalities Minister has called The Equalities Minister has called

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The Equalities Minister has called on her Cabinet colleagues to

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on her Cabinet colleagues to support recommendations to take

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support recommendations to take support recommendations to take

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what she calls proactive steps to what she calls proactive steps to

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what she calls proactive steps to get more women and other under-

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get more women and other under- get more women and other under-

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represented groups onto the boards represented groups onto the boards

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represented groups onto the boards of public bodies. In a paper

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of public bodies. In a paper of public bodies. In a paper

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presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt

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presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt

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says more must be done to meet the says more must be done to meet the

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says more must be done to meet the government's own target for least

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government's own target for least government's own target for least

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40% of appointments to be women. 40% of appointments to be women.

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40% of appointments to be women. 40% of appointments to be women.

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Last year the figure fell to 35%. Last year the figure fell to 35%.

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Last year the figure fell to 35%. But one organisation bucking the

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But one organisation bucking the But one organisation bucking the

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trend is Sport Wales, the national trend is Sport Wales, the national

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organisation for promoting sport. organisation for promoting sport.

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organisation for promoting sport. organisation for promoting sport.

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I have been speaking to the Chair I have been speaking to the Chair

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I have been speaking to the Chair of Sport Wales at their Cardiff

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of Sport Wales at their Cardiff of Sport Wales at their Cardiff

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headquarters. After a quick game of headquarters. After a quick game of

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headquarters. After a quick game of squash I asked Laura McAllister why

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squash I asked Laura McAllister why squash I asked Laura McAllister why

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fewer women have been appointed to fewer women have been appointed to

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fewer women have been appointed to senior public roles. I have seen

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senior public roles. I have seen senior public roles. I have seen

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how heavily loaded the appointments how heavily loaded the appointments

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process is towards male process is towards male

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process is towards male characteristics and to what may

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characteristics and to what may have experiences in leadership

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have experiences in leadership have experiences in leadership

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have experiences in leadership roles. I think that is part of it.

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roles. I think that is part of it. roles. I think that is part of it.

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roles. I think that is part of it. He probably reflects a lot of other

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He probably reflects a lot of other He probably reflects a lot of other

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sectors, business, our own of sport, sectors, business, our own of sport,

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sectors, business, our own of sport, sectors, business, our own of sport,

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culture and so one which are still culture and so one which are still

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culture and so one which are still male-dominated. We have to put it

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male-dominated. We have to put it male-dominated. We have to put it

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in context and the political arena in context and the political arena

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in context and the political arena in context and the political arena

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in context and the political arena in other reason we have a very on a

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in other reason we have a very on a in other reason we have a very on a

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relatively healthy balance of women relatively healthy balance of women

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relatively healthy balance of women Assembly Members is because of the

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Assembly Members is because of the Assembly Members is because of the

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positive action two the parties to positive action two the parties to

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positive action two the parties to look at the beginning of the

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look at the beginning of the look at the beginning of the

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look at the beginning of the devolution. That is why we have a

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devolution. That is why we have a better gender balance.

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better gender balance. better gender balance.

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organisation here is being held up organisation here is being held up

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organisation here is being held up organisation here is being held up

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as an example of how to get women as an example of how to get women

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as an example of how to get women into a more senior roles, into

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into a more senior roles, into into a more senior roles, into

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into a more senior roles, into roles on the board. How have you

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roles on the board. How have you roles on the board. How have you

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roles on the board. How have you done that? I am delighted we have

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done that? I am delighted we have done that? I am delighted we have

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done that? I am delighted we have got where we have got to, but are

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got where we have got to, but are got where we have got to, but are

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got where we have got to, but are not setting up ourselves as to have

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not setting up ourselves as to have not setting up ourselves as to have

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not setting up ourselves as to have cracked it. It isn't just a case of

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cracked it. It isn't just a case of political correctness or wanting

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political correctness or wanting political correctness or wanting

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political correctness or wanting diversity for the sake of it, just

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diversity for the sake of it, just diversity for the sake of it, just

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diversity for the sake of it, just to have a female or a black face

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to have a female or a black face to have a female or a black face

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to have a female or a black face and on the table. It was to ensure

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and on the table. It was to ensure and on the table. It was to ensure

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we had diverse opinions and we had diverse opinions and

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we had diverse opinions and challenge in our thinking. We

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challenge in our thinking. We challenge in our thinking. We

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looked at a whole public looked at a whole public

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appointments process. Recommitted appointments process. Recommitted

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appointments process. Recommitted ourselves to being something of a

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ourselves to being something of a ourselves to being something of a

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guinea pig for the Welsh Government guinea pig for the Welsh Government

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guinea pig for the Welsh Government and pushing the boundaries of the

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and pushing the boundaries of the Public appointments process. We

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Public appointments process. We Public appointments process. We

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Public appointments process. We made sure we tweak in the working

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made sure we tweak in the working made sure we tweak in the working

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in the appointments process. They in the appointments process. They

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in the appointments process. They talked about experience of working

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talked about experience of working talked about experience of working

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talked about experience of working in the dish of roles because all

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in the dish of roles because all in the dish of roles because all

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the evidence suggested women who the evidence suggested women who

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the evidence suggested women who have worked in a charitable sector

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have worked in a charitable sector have worked in a charitable sector

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or the education sector classified or the education sector classified

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themselves differently. That is themselves differently. That is

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easily translatable. It just easily translatable. It just

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easily translatable. It just requires the will to interpret the

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requires the will to interpret the requires the will to interpret the

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wording of adverts and waiting and wording of adverts and waiting and

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job profiles differently. We job profiles differently. We

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job profiles differently. We advertised it beyond the usual

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advertised it beyond the usual advertised it beyond the usual

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talent -- channels. We talk so talent -- channels. We talk so

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talent -- channels. We talk so women we thought would make

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women we thought would make potentially good board members

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potentially good board members potentially good board members

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without any commitments for them to without any commitments for them to

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without any commitments for them to get an interview on appointment, we

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get an interview on appointment, we get an interview on appointment, we

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get an interview on appointment, we said why don't you put in the

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said why don't you put in the said why don't you put in the

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application? That Act to be helped. application? That Act to be helped.

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application? That Act to be helped. application? That Act to be helped.

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In a process we were able to In a process we were able to

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In a process we were able to recruit two. We had five vacancies

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recruit two. We had five vacancies recruit two. We had five vacancies

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recruit two. We had five vacancies and we recruited four women and one

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and we recruited four women and one and we recruited four women and one

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and we recruited four women and one man which shows it is not a supply

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man which shows it is not a supply man which shows it is not a supply

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and demand issue. For the last and demand issue. For the last

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and demand issue. For the last government was to come to grips

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government was to come to grips government was to come to grips

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government was to come to grips with this. They had in a programme

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with this. They had in a programme with this. They had in a programme

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of government a target of a of government a target of a

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of government a target of a Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due

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Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due

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welcome mat? Is it achievable? welcome mat? Is it achievable?

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welcome the commitment. The welcome the commitment. The

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welcome the commitment. The Equalities Minister has made a

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Equalities Minister has made a Equalities Minister has made a

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fantastic effort to change the fantastic effort to change the

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fantastic effort to change the fantastic effort to change the

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profile of public life in Wales. We profile of public life in Wales. We

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profile of public life in Wales. We profile of public life in Wales. We

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have got a long way to go. The have got a long way to go. The

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have got a long way to go. The have got a long way to go. The

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issue of quotas is a reported one issue of quotas is a reported one

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issue of quotas is a reported one issue of quotas is a reported one

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to keep on the agenda. Nobody feels to keep on the agenda. Nobody feels

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passionately about quarters because passionately about quarters because

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passionately about quarters because passionately about quarters because

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they as seen to be assigned of a they as seen to be assigned of a

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they as seen to be assigned of a failure of the natural process. If

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failure of the natural process. If failure of the natural process. If

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we are serious as proper gender we are serious as proper gender

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we are serious as proper gender equality, without the leadership we

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equality, without the leadership we equality, without the leadership we

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equality, without the leadership we have shown here in getting women on

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have shown here in getting women on have shown here in getting women on

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the board, that will not be the board, that will not be

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paralleled across the board, paralleled across the board,

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paralleled across the board, quarters are something that will

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quarters are something that will quarters are something that will

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have to be considered. You have have to be considered. You have

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have to be considered. You have have to be considered. You have

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done as much as anyone to promote done as much as anyone to promote

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done as much as anyone to promote done as much as anyone to promote

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the role of women in public life. the role of women in public life.

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the role of women in public life. What you make of what Laura

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What you make of what Laura What you make of what Laura

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McAllister had to say about the McAllister had to say about the

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need for quotas? need for quotas?

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need for quotas? I think she is absolutely correct.

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I think she is absolutely correct. I think she is absolutely correct.

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I think she is absolutely correct. I have come to the view that quotas

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I have come to the view that quotas I have come to the view that quotas

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I have come to the view that quotas is probably the only way now. We

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is probably the only way now. We is probably the only way now. We

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have tried everything. The Labour have tried everything. The Labour

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have tried everything. The Labour have tried everything. The Labour

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Party has got a very good records Party has got a very good records

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Party has got a very good records Party has got a very good records

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in trying to get an equal number of in trying to get an equal number of

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in trying to get an equal number of men and women. It isn't without

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men and women. It isn't without men and women. It isn't without

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controversy. It is hard going. Not controversy. It is hard going. Not

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controversy. It is hard going. Not all parties have gone that far.

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all parties have gone that far. all parties have gone that far.

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Everything has been tried in Everything has been tried in

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Everything has been tried in political and public life, women

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political and public life, women political and public life, women

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are still in the minority. Quotas are still in the minority. Quotas

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are still in the minority. Quotas are used in many European countries,

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are used in many European countries, are used in many European countries,

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are used in many European countries, Denmark is a good example. It works.

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Denmark is a good example. It works. Denmark is a good example. It works.

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Denmark is a good example. It works. Denmark is a good example. It works.

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I am all in favour of quotas come I I am all in favour of quotas come I

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I am all in favour of quotas come I I am all in favour of quotas come I

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never used to be. I have tried never used to be. I have tried

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never used to be. I have tried everything. We have gone through a

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everything. We have gone through a everything. We have gone through a

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range of things and nothing seems range of things and nothing seems

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range of things and nothing seems to work. But quotas would work.

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to work. But quotas would work. to work. But quotas would work.

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Byron Davies, White you think Byron Davies, White you think

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Byron Davies, White you think Byron Davies, White you think

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nothing else has worked? Win in a nothing else has worked? Win in a

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nothing else has worked? Win in a situation where the government has

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situation where the government has situation where the government has

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situation where the government has to set his 40%? Quotas does worry

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to set his 40%? Quotas does worry to set his 40%? Quotas does worry

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me slightly. There are very good me slightly. There are very good

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me slightly. There are very good me slightly. There are very good

:45:48.:45:49.

women out there for some in a women out there for some in a

:45:49.:45:50.

women out there for some in a previous career in the police

:45:50.:45:51.

previous career in the police previous career in the police

:45:51.:45:54.

service we fought hard to bring service we fought hard to bring

:45:54.:45:56.

service we fought hard to bring service we fought hard to bring

:45:56.:45:56.

women on. We have fought hard in women on. We have fought hard in

:45:56.:45:59.

women on. We have fought hard in the Conservative Party. Your party

:45:59.:46:00.

the Conservative Party. Your party the Conservative Party. Your party

:46:00.:46:01.

the Conservative Party. Your party is the only party to have a female

:46:01.:46:02.

is the only party to have a female is the only party to have a female

:46:02.:46:03.

prime minister. I wasn't going to prime minister. I wasn't going to

:46:03.:46:07.

prime minister. I wasn't going to prime minister. I wasn't going to

:46:07.:46:07.

mention that but you are right. If mention that but you are right. If

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mention that but you are right. If mention that but you are right. If

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it is the best person for the job, it is the best person for the job,

:46:11.:46:12.

it is the best person for the job, it is the best person for the job,

:46:12.:46:17.

then right. Women are capable of it. then right. Women are capable of it.

:46:17.:46:18.

then right. Women are capable of it. Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has

:46:18.:46:19.

Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has

:46:19.:46:22.

then his not do anything radical then his not do anything radical

:46:22.:46:24.

then his not do anything radical but changed the wording of

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but changed the wording of but changed the wording of

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advertisements, mention it to a few advertisements, mention it to a few

:46:27.:46:29.

advertisements, mention it to a few people who might be interested.

:46:29.:46:30.

people who might be interested. people who might be interested.

:46:30.:46:31.

That doesn't sound like ground- That doesn't sound like ground-

:46:31.:46:32.

That doesn't sound like ground- breaking stuff. It doesn't but

:46:32.:46:35.

breaking stuff. It doesn't but breaking stuff. It doesn't but

:46:35.:46:36.

breaking stuff. It doesn't but hasn't it worked. Having a woman as

:46:36.:46:38.

hasn't it worked. Having a woman as hasn't it worked. Having a woman as

:46:38.:46:39.

hasn't it worked. Having a woman as a head of Sport Wales has shown she

:46:39.:46:40.

a head of Sport Wales has shown she a head of Sport Wales has shown she

:46:40.:46:43.

is thinking in that direction. She is thinking in that direction. She

:46:43.:46:44.

is thinking in that direction. She is thinking in that direction. She

:46:44.:46:45.

is thinking how we can get more is thinking how we can get more

:46:45.:46:49.

is thinking how we can get more women to apply. It is encouraging

:46:49.:46:52.

women to apply. It is encouraging women to apply. It is encouraging

:46:52.:46:53.

women to come forward. They have women to come forward. They have

:46:53.:46:55.

women to come forward. They have women to come forward. They have

:46:55.:46:56.

been appointed. I think that is a been appointed. I think that is a

:46:56.:46:56.

been appointed. I think that is a been appointed. I think that is a

:46:56.:46:57.

lot in what she is saying. But we lot in what she is saying. But we

:46:57.:46:58.

lot in what she is saying. But we lot in what she is saying. But we

:46:58.:46:59.

can do that in all walks of life. can do that in all walks of life.

:46:59.:47:06.

can do that in all walks of life. can do that in all walks of life.

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That is the problem. What the Welsh That is the problem. What the Welsh

:47:07.:47:09.

That is the problem. What the Welsh Government wants to see happening,

:47:09.:47:09.

Government wants to see happening, Government wants to see happening,

:47:10.:47:11.

how can that be translated into how can that be translated into

:47:11.:47:13.

how can that be translated into politics? Your party hasn't had the

:47:13.:47:14.

politics? Your party hasn't had the grace records of women

:47:14.:47:17.

grace records of women grace records of women

:47:17.:47:18.

representation in the Assembly. How representation in the Assembly. How

:47:18.:47:19.

representation in the Assembly. How do you make sure that improvement

:47:19.:47:23.

do you make sure that improvement do you make sure that improvement

:47:23.:47:27.

continues? We have tried. In the continues? We have tried. In the

:47:27.:47:28.

last election, the Assembly last election, the Assembly

:47:28.:47:30.

last election, the Assembly last election, the Assembly

:47:30.:47:31.

election, we had a policy of women election, we had a policy of women

:47:32.:47:33.

election, we had a policy of women election, we had a policy of women

:47:33.:47:34.

election, we had a policy of women first. We have got to keep on at it

:47:34.:47:35.

first. We have got to keep on at it first. We have got to keep on at it

:47:36.:47:37.

and encourage women to apply. We and encourage women to apply. We

:47:37.:47:38.

and encourage women to apply. We and encourage women to apply. We

:47:38.:47:39.

need to show them they can actually need to show them they can actually

:47:39.:47:40.

need to show them they can actually need to show them they can actually

:47:40.:47:40.

come forward and there is room for come forward and there is room for

:47:40.:47:42.

come forward and there is room for them and we can accommodate them.

:47:42.:47:43.

them and we can accommodate them. them and we can accommodate them.

:47:43.:47:46.

We believe that there for now. We believe that there for now.

:47:46.:47:47.

We believe that there for now. It is spring conference season in

:47:47.:47:48.

It is spring conference season in It is spring conference season in

:47:49.:47:49.

Wales. Plaid Cymru held their Wales. Plaid Cymru held their

:47:49.:47:50.

Wales. Plaid Cymru held their gathering in Beaumaris. It finished

:47:50.:47:51.

gathering in Beaumaris. It finished gathering in Beaumaris. It finished

:47:51.:47:52.

yesterday and our political editor yesterday and our political editor

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yesterday and our political editor Betsan Powys caught up with the

:47:53.:47:54.

Betsan Powys caught up with the Betsan Powys caught up with the

:47:54.:47:55.

party's leader, Leanne Wood, at the party's leader, Leanne Wood, at the

:47:55.:47:57.

close of play. close of play.

:47:57.:47:59.

close of play. close of play.

:47:59.:47:59.

Trainee me now is the leader of Trainee me now is the leader of

:47:59.:48:01.

Trainee me now is the leader of Trainee me now is the leader of

:48:01.:48:05.

Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now. Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now.

:48:05.:48:07.

Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now. Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now.

:48:07.:48:08.

Her we head where you think the Her we head where you think the

:48:08.:48:12.

Her we head where you think the other parties that going wrong. But

:48:12.:48:13.

other parties that going wrong. But other parties that going wrong. But

:48:13.:48:14.

other parties that going wrong. But not a great deal of detail about

:48:14.:48:15.

not a great deal of detail about not a great deal of detail about

:48:15.:48:18.

what you would do differently. what you would do differently.

:48:18.:48:19.

what you would do differently. are still two-and-a-half years from

:48:19.:48:20.

are still two-and-a-half years from are still two-and-a-half years from

:48:20.:48:21.

are still two-and-a-half years from 2016 which is going to be at our

:48:21.:48:22.

2016 which is going to be at our 2016 which is going to be at our

:48:22.:48:23.

big election year. We are doing big election year. We are doing

:48:23.:48:24.

big election year. We are doing everything we can do but the

:48:24.:48:25.

everything we can do but the everything we can do but the

:48:25.:48:26.

programme of government a man will programme of government a man will

:48:26.:48:27.

programme of government a man will programme of government a man will

:48:27.:48:30.

be ready in time for that election. be ready in time for that election.

:48:30.:48:32.

be ready in time for that election. Adam Price is working on end

:48:32.:48:33.

Adam Price is working on end Adam Price is working on end

:48:33.:48:35.

economy commission which will put economy commission which will put

:48:35.:48:36.

economy commission which will put out much detail closer to that

:48:36.:48:37.

out much detail closer to that out much detail closer to that

:48:37.:48:39.

deadline for star up you accept deadline for star up you accept

:48:39.:48:40.

deadline for star up you accept that intimate detail is there, and

:48:40.:48:41.

that intimate detail is there, and that intimate detail is there, and

:48:41.:48:42.

that intimate detail is there, and so people know what you're going to

:48:42.:48:43.

so people know what you're going to so people know what you're going to

:48:43.:48:44.

so people know what you're going to do and how you're going to pay for

:48:44.:48:45.

do and how you're going to pay for do and how you're going to pay for

:48:45.:48:46.

do and how you're going to pay for it you are not going to win voters'

:48:46.:48:48.

it you are not going to win voters' it you are not going to win voters'

:48:48.:48:50.

trust. We have put some policies trust. We have put some policies

:48:50.:48:51.

trust. We have put some policies out there. We have talked about

:48:51.:48:53.

out there. We have talked about local procurement and the

:48:53.:48:54.

local procurement and the investment bank for small

:48:54.:48:58.

investment bank for small investment bank for small

:48:58.:48:59.

businesses. That programme is one businesses. That programme is one

:48:59.:49:01.

businesses. That programme is one businesses. That programme is one

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to take time to put together. We to take time to put together. We

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to take time to put together. We to take time to put together. We

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are keen to engage with as many are keen to engage with as many

:49:04.:49:05.

are keen to engage with as many are keen to engage with as many

:49:05.:49:06.

people as we can. One of the other people as we can. One of the other

:49:06.:49:07.

people as we can. One of the other people as we can. One of the other

:49:07.:49:10.

things we are going to be doing is things we are going to be doing is

:49:10.:49:11.

things we are going to be doing is launching a manifesto which is

:49:11.:49:13.

launching a manifesto which is launching a manifesto which is

:49:13.:49:14.

trying to engage people online in trying to engage people online in

:49:14.:49:15.

trying to engage people online in trying to engage people online in

:49:15.:49:18.

get people to put their ideas on get people to put their ideas on

:49:18.:49:19.

get people to put their ideas on get people to put their ideas on

:49:19.:49:20.

the internet to tell us what they the internet to tell us what they

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the internet to tell us what they the internet to tell us what they

:49:20.:49:22.

think we should do to build a think we should do to build a

:49:22.:49:23.

think we should do to build a better Wales. There is no guarantee

:49:23.:49:25.

better Wales. There is no guarantee better Wales. There is no guarantee

:49:25.:49:26.

better Wales. There is no guarantee you will accept them. We will have

:49:26.:49:27.

you will accept them. We will have you will accept them. We will have

:49:27.:49:29.

a process within the party for a process within the party for

:49:29.:49:31.

a process within the party for finalising the manifesto. I am keen

:49:31.:49:32.

finalising the manifesto. I am keen finalising the manifesto. I am keen

:49:32.:49:34.

and generally interested in hearing and generally interested in hearing

:49:34.:49:37.

and generally interested in hearing what people's ideas are. You want

:49:37.:49:38.

what people's ideas are. You want what people's ideas are. You want

:49:38.:49:39.

what people's ideas are. You want to be positive and do what Plaid

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to be positive and do what Plaid to be positive and do what Plaid

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to be positive and do what Plaid Cymru wants to do, but he had

:49:43.:49:45.

Cymru wants to do, but he had Cymru wants to do, but he had

:49:45.:49:47.

pretty lines of attack against the pretty lines of attack against the

:49:47.:49:48.

pretty lines of attack against the Labour government in Cardiff. He

:49:48.:49:49.

Labour government in Cardiff. He Labour government in Cardiff. He

:49:49.:49:50.

wants people to think they are wants people to think they are

:49:50.:49:52.

wants people to think they are lethargic. For I think they are

:49:52.:49:53.

lethargic. For I think they are lethargic. For I think they are

:49:53.:49:54.

lethargic. There is a lot of lethargic. There is a lot of

:49:54.:49:55.

lethargic. There is a lot of inertia coming out of the

:49:55.:49:56.

inertia coming out of the inertia coming out of the

:49:56.:49:59.

government in Cardiff Bay, there government in Cardiff Bay, there

:49:59.:50:01.

government in Cardiff Bay, there government in Cardiff Bay, there

:50:01.:50:01.

isn't a lot of urgency in dealing isn't a lot of urgency in dealing

:50:01.:50:06.

isn't a lot of urgency in dealing with our economic problems. Unless

:50:06.:50:07.

with our economic problems. Unless with our economic problems. Unless

:50:07.:50:09.

with our economic problems. Unless we have that we can't have that

:50:09.:50:11.

we have that we can't have that we have that we can't have that

:50:11.:50:13.

position to have answers. You said position to have answers. You said

:50:13.:50:13.

position to have answers. You said position to have answers. You said

:50:13.:50:15.

you will start in a constituency. I you will start in a constituency. I

:50:15.:50:16.

you will start in a constituency. I you will start in a constituency. I

:50:16.:50:17.

know you are not win to tell me know you are not win to tell me

:50:17.:50:19.

know you are not win to tell me know you are not win to tell me

:50:19.:50:21.

what seat it is. I haven't decided. what seat it is. I haven't decided.

:50:21.:50:22.

what seat it is. I haven't decided. what seat it is. I haven't decided.

:50:22.:50:22.

A final decision will be made in A final decision will be made in

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A final decision will be made in A final decision will be made in

:50:25.:50:25.

the next few weeks. How many seats the next few weeks. How many seats

:50:25.:50:28.

the next few weeks. How many seats the next few weeks. How many seats

:50:28.:50:29.

are you considering? I am down to are you considering? I am down to

:50:29.:50:31.

are you considering? I am down to are you considering? I am down to

:50:31.:50:32.

under five. Are you in with a under five. Are you in with a

:50:32.:50:34.

under five. Are you in with a under five. Are you in with a

:50:34.:50:40.

chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is

:50:40.:50:41.

chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is your thinking. Which one we you

:50:41.:50:43.

your thinking. Which one we you your thinking. Which one we you

:50:43.:50:44.

decide Don? What is your thinking? decide Don? What is your thinking?

:50:44.:50:46.

decide Don? What is your thinking? decide Don? What is your thinking?

:50:46.:50:48.

I am having a lot of discussions I am having a lot of discussions

:50:48.:50:48.

I am having a lot of discussions within Plaid Cymru with various

:50:48.:50:52.

within Plaid Cymru with various members about the various

:50:52.:50:53.

members about the various members about the various

:50:53.:50:55.

permutations and options that are permutations and options that are

:50:55.:50:55.

permutations and options that are permutations and options that are

:50:55.:50:57.

out there. When I am ready to out there. When I am ready to

:50:57.:50:57.

out there. When I am ready to out there. When I am ready to

:50:57.:50:59.

announce come I will let you know. announce come I will let you know.

:50:59.:51:01.

announce come I will let you know. announce come I will let you know.

:51:01.:51:03.

Is it her constituency or bust? Are Is it her constituency or bust? Are

:51:03.:51:04.

Is it her constituency or bust? Are Is it her constituency or bust? Are

:51:04.:51:05.

you praying that you can stand as a you praying that you can stand as a

:51:05.:51:08.

you praying that you can stand as a you praying that you can stand as a

:51:08.:51:08.

list member if you lose? I have list member if you lose? I have

:51:08.:51:10.

list member if you lose? I have announced my intention to stand in

:51:10.:51:11.

announced my intention to stand in announced my intention to stand in

:51:11.:51:12.

the constituency under the current the constituency under the current

:51:12.:51:14.

the constituency under the current the constituency under the current

:51:14.:51:15.

regime. If that changes I will look regime. If that changes I will look

:51:15.:51:15.

regime. If that changes I will look at that situation under the

:51:15.:51:16.

at that situation under the at that situation under the

:51:17.:51:18.

different regime but at the moment different regime but at the moment

:51:18.:51:20.

different regime but at the moment different regime but at the moment

:51:20.:51:20.

different regime but at the moment we are where we are, if I stand in

:51:20.:51:21.

we are where we are, if I stand in we are where we are, if I stand in

:51:21.:51:22.

a constituency than the list will a constituency than the list will

:51:22.:51:23.

a constituency than the list will a constituency than the list will

:51:23.:51:24.

not be open to meet the system not be open to meet the system

:51:24.:51:26.

not be open to meet the system not be open to meet the system

:51:26.:51:31.

stays as it is. So see top burst? stays as it is. So see top burst?

:51:31.:51:33.

stays as it is. So see top burst? stays as it is. So see top burst?

:51:33.:51:38.

How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did

:51:38.:51:39.

How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did

:51:39.:51:43.

you respond with joy that you at you respond with joy that you at

:51:43.:51:43.

you respond with joy that you at 20% above the Conservative leader

:51:43.:51:45.

20% above the Conservative leader 20% above the Conservative leader

:51:45.:51:46.

in Cardiff Bay? The poll was in Cardiff Bay? The poll was

:51:46.:51:47.

in Cardiff Bay? The poll was interesting and they think the

:51:47.:51:49.

interesting and they think the interesting and they think the

:51:49.:51:50.

opinions of people on the various opinions of people on the various

:51:50.:51:52.

opinions of people on the various political issues show that Plaid

:51:52.:51:55.

political issues show that Plaid political issues show that Plaid

:51:55.:51:56.

Cymru... But what about you? What Cymru... But what about you? What

:51:56.:51:58.

Cymru... But what about you? What about your position? I think that

:51:58.:52:00.

about your position? I think that about your position? I think that

:52:00.:52:00.

Paul was going in the right Paul was going in the right

:52:00.:52:02.

Paul was going in the right direction for Plaid Cymru. How

:52:02.:52:03.

direction for Plaid Cymru. How direction for Plaid Cymru. How

:52:03.:52:03.

direction for Plaid Cymru. How would like to see his improve over

:52:03.:52:05.

would like to see his improve over would like to see his improve over

:52:05.:52:06.

would like to see his improve over time. I would like to become the

:52:06.:52:07.

time. I would like to become the time. I would like to become the

:52:07.:52:08.

First Minister. I am pleased with First Minister. I am pleased with

:52:08.:52:14.

the poll results. the poll results.

:52:14.:52:16.

the poll results. Byron Davies, let's start with the

:52:16.:52:17.

Byron Davies, let's start with the Byron Davies, let's start with the

:52:17.:52:18.

fact you might have something in fact you might have something in

:52:18.:52:21.

fact you might have something in common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne

:52:21.:52:22.

common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne

:52:22.:52:23.

Wood be accusing the Labour Wood be accusing the Labour

:52:23.:52:25.

Wood be accusing the Labour government of being lethargic. Is

:52:25.:52:26.

government of being lethargic. Is government of being lethargic. Is

:52:26.:52:27.

government of being lethargic. Is that a platform you might share?

:52:27.:52:29.

that a platform you might share? that a platform you might share?

:52:29.:52:31.

think I do, actually. They are think I do, actually. They are

:52:31.:52:32.

think I do, actually. They are becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I

:52:32.:52:34.

becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I

:52:34.:52:37.

don't share anything with Plaid don't share anything with Plaid

:52:37.:52:38.

don't share anything with Plaid Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of

:52:38.:52:38.

Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of

:52:38.:52:40.

rhetoric but there is no substance rhetoric but there is no substance

:52:40.:52:42.

rhetoric but there is no substance to anything they are saying. I

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to anything they are saying. I to anything they are saying. I

:52:44.:52:45.

to anything they are saying. I can't see anything at all which we

:52:45.:52:46.

can't see anything at all which we can't see anything at all which we

:52:46.:52:48.

can share were Plaid Cymru. can share were Plaid Cymru.

:52:48.:52:50.

can share were Plaid Cymru. Baroness Gale, two people have

:52:50.:52:51.

Baroness Gale, two people have Baroness Gale, two people have

:52:51.:52:53.

accused the Labour government of lethargy.

:52:53.:52:55.

lethargy. lethargy.

:52:55.:52:56.

lethargy. I don't understand that at all. She

:52:56.:52:57.

I don't understand that at all. She I don't understand that at all. She

:52:57.:52:58.

I don't understand that at all. She has got to make some points, some

:52:58.:53:00.

has got to make some points, some has got to make some points, some

:53:00.:53:01.

political points that lethargy is political points that lethargy is

:53:01.:53:02.

political points that lethargy is political points that lethargy is

:53:02.:53:03.

the last what you could use of the the last what you could use of the

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the last what you could use of the Welsh Government. They are very

:53:03.:53:05.

Welsh Government. They are very Welsh Government. They are very

:53:05.:53:06.

Welsh Government. They are very active in all walks of life. I

:53:06.:53:08.

active in all walks of life. I active in all walks of life. I

:53:08.:53:09.

don't understand that accusation at don't understand that accusation at

:53:09.:53:11.

don't understand that accusation at don't understand that accusation at

:53:11.:53:12.

all. Let's look at some of the all. Let's look at some of the

:53:12.:53:13.

all. Let's look at some of the other things Leanne Wood raised.

:53:13.:53:15.

other things Leanne Wood raised. other things Leanne Wood raised.

:53:15.:53:15.

There was an attack on education There was an attack on education

:53:15.:53:17.

There was an attack on education under Labour in Wales. The

:53:18.:53:19.

under Labour in Wales. The under Labour in Wales. The

:53:19.:53:20.

graveyard of ambition, she said. graveyard of ambition, she said.

:53:20.:53:22.

graveyard of ambition, she said. graveyard of ambition, she said.

:53:22.:53:24.

How do respond? It is a shame to How do respond? It is a shame to

:53:24.:53:25.

How do respond? It is a shame to use words like that about our

:53:25.:53:27.

use words like that about our use words like that about our

:53:27.:53:28.

use words like that about our children in Wales. I think she was

:53:28.:53:30.

children in Wales. I think she was describing the system.

:53:30.:53:33.

describing the system. Education Minister, Leighton

:53:33.:53:34.

Education Minister, Leighton Education Minister, Leighton

:53:34.:53:37.

Education Minister, Leighton Andrews, is doing a great job. He

:53:37.:53:38.

Andrews, is doing a great job. He Andrews, is doing a great job. He

:53:38.:53:39.

is getting stuck in there and is getting stuck in there and

:53:39.:53:42.

is getting stuck in there and sorting things out. That will be

:53:42.:53:43.

sorting things out. That will be sorting things out. That will be

:53:43.:53:45.

beneficial to the education system beneficial to the education system

:53:45.:53:45.

beneficial to the education system beneficial to the education system

:53:45.:53:46.

in Wales. I really think she has in Wales. I really think she has

:53:46.:53:50.

in Wales. I really think she has in Wales. I really think she has

:53:50.:53:51.

got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is

:53:51.:53:52.

got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is coming to you in charge, Leanne

:53:52.:53:54.

coming to you in charge, Leanne coming to you in charge, Leanne

:53:54.:53:55.

coming to you in charge, Leanne Wood, you will have observed her in

:53:55.:53:56.

Wood, you will have observed her in Wood, you will have observed her in

:53:56.:53:58.

the Assembly chamber. What you make the Assembly chamber. What you make

:53:58.:53:59.

the Assembly chamber. What you make the Assembly chamber. What you make

:53:59.:54:01.

of her first year? Has she made an of her first year? Has she made an

:54:01.:54:02.

of her first year? Has she made an impact? Not really. She is a

:54:03.:54:04.

impact? Not really. She is a impact? Not really. She is a

:54:04.:54:08.

separatist leader of a separatist separatist leader of a separatist

:54:08.:54:09.

separatist leader of a separatist separatist leader of a separatist

:54:09.:54:11.

party. A poll has shown that 9% of party. A poll has shown that 9% of

:54:11.:54:12.

party. A poll has shown that 9% of party. A poll has shown that 9% of

:54:12.:54:14.

people in Wales would like to see people in Wales would like to see

:54:15.:54:16.

people in Wales would like to see whales become devolved totally. It

:54:17.:54:21.

whales become devolved totally. It whales become devolved totally. It

:54:21.:54:22.

speaks for itself. Your party speaks for itself. Your party

:54:22.:54:23.

speaks for itself. Your party leader this week has been talking

:54:23.:54:24.

leader this week has been talking leader this week has been talking

:54:24.:54:25.

leader this week has been talking about the future. If tax powers are

:54:25.:54:27.

about the future. If tax powers are about the future. If tax powers are

:54:27.:54:28.

about the future. If tax powers are devolved to Wales, he has set out

:54:28.:54:30.

devolved to Wales, he has set out devolved to Wales, he has set out

:54:30.:54:32.

his stall. Leanne Wood was very his stall. Leanne Wood was very

:54:32.:54:33.

his stall. Leanne Wood was very critical saying your party when out

:54:33.:54:34.

critical saying your party when out critical saying your party when out

:54:34.:54:35.

critical saying your party when out of touch, giving tax cuts are the

:54:35.:54:39.

of touch, giving tax cuts are the of touch, giving tax cuts are the

:54:39.:54:40.

better well-off. We all realised better well-off. We all realised

:54:40.:54:41.

better well-off. We all realised there is a distance between Andrew

:54:41.:54:42.

there is a distance between Andrew there is a distance between Andrew

:54:42.:54:44.

there is a distance between Andrew RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We

:54:44.:54:45.

RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We

:54:45.:54:47.

are saying for those people that are saying for those people that

:54:47.:54:48.

are saying for those people that are paying 40% tax, let's consider

:54:48.:54:51.

are paying 40% tax, let's consider are paying 40% tax, let's consider

:54:51.:54:51.

are paying 40% tax, let's consider giving them a tax break ms bring

:54:51.:54:52.

giving them a tax break ms bring giving them a tax break ms bring

:54:52.:54:53.

business to Wales. That encourage business to Wales. That encourage

:54:53.:54:54.

business to Wales. That encourage business to Wales. That encourage

:54:54.:54:54.

people to come to us because that people to come to us because that

:54:54.:54:56.

people to come to us because that people to come to us because that

:54:56.:54:57.

is what we need. We need to kick- is what we need. We need to kick-

:54:57.:54:59.

is what we need. We need to kick- start the economy here. It is

:54:59.:54:59.

start the economy here. It is start the economy here. It is

:55:00.:55:01.

something Carwyn Jones is not doing. something Carwyn Jones is not doing.

:55:01.:55:04.

something Carwyn Jones is not doing. something Carwyn Jones is not doing.

:55:04.:55:05.

On the matter of the economy, we On the matter of the economy, we

:55:05.:55:06.

On the matter of the economy, we have had the Conservative let out

:55:06.:55:07.

have had the Conservative let out have had the Conservative let out

:55:07.:55:08.

their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen

:55:08.:55:11.

their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen

:55:11.:55:12.

to give us any policy ideas. It is to give us any policy ideas. It is

:55:12.:55:14.

to give us any policy ideas. It is so far before election. Would you

:55:14.:55:15.

so far before election. Would you so far before election. Would you

:55:15.:55:16.

so far before election. Would you make of that idea? Is at a sensible

:55:16.:55:19.

make of that idea? Is at a sensible make of that idea? Is at a sensible

:55:19.:55:21.

make of that idea? Is at a sensible one? We are in a political void. It

:55:21.:55:22.

one? We are in a political void. It one? We are in a political void. It

:55:22.:55:22.

one? We are in a political void. It is rare we don't have an election

:55:22.:55:24.

is rare we don't have an election is rare we don't have an election

:55:24.:55:26.

is rare we don't have an election every year in Wales. It is unusual,

:55:26.:55:27.

every year in Wales. It is unusual, every year in Wales. It is unusual,

:55:27.:55:28.

every year in Wales. It is unusual, then are no elections in Wales. I

:55:28.:55:29.

then are no elections in Wales. I then are no elections in Wales. I

:55:29.:55:33.

then are no elections in Wales. I do think not having a year without,

:55:33.:55:35.

do think not having a year without, do think not having a year without,

:55:35.:55:36.

Surrey, having a year without an Surrey, having a year without an

:55:36.:55:44.

Surrey, having a year without an Surrey, having a year without an

:55:44.:55:44.

election is giving us time. It is election is giving us time. It is

:55:44.:55:45.

election is giving us time. It is election is giving us time. It is

:55:45.:55:47.

not a necessarily the time to put not a necessarily the time to put

:55:47.:55:48.

not a necessarily the time to put not a necessarily the time to put

:55:48.:55:50.

policies for it because it is too policies for it because it is too

:55:50.:55:51.

policies for it because it is too policies for it because it is too

:55:51.:55:53.

soon? It is three years before the soon? It is three years before the

:55:53.:55:54.

soon? It is three years before the election of the Welsh Assembly. It

:55:54.:55:57.

election of the Welsh Assembly. It election of the Welsh Assembly. It

:55:57.:55:58.

election of the Welsh Assembly. It is just over two years for the

:55:58.:55:59.

is just over two years for the is just over two years for the

:55:59.:56:00.

general election. Parties have got general election. Parties have got

:56:00.:56:02.

general election. Parties have got general election. Parties have got

:56:02.:56:03.

to be thinking about it. You have to be thinking about it. You have

:56:03.:56:04.

to be thinking about it. You have got to give the electorate some

:56:04.:56:05.

got to give the electorate some got to give the electorate some

:56:05.:56:06.

got to give the electorate some idea what you're going to stand for.

:56:06.:56:10.

idea what you're going to stand for. idea what you're going to stand for.

:56:10.:56:11.

Her leader at a party conference Her leader at a party conference

:56:11.:56:11.

Her leader at a party conference ought to be saying something

:56:11.:56:13.

ought to be saying something ought to be saying something

:56:13.:56:14.

positive about their policies which positive about their policies which

:56:14.:56:15.

positive about their policies which positive about their policies which

:56:15.:56:17.

we don't seem to have had from we don't seem to have had from

:56:17.:56:19.

we don't seem to have had from Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn

:56:19.:56:20.

Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn

:56:20.:56:21.

Jones and Owen Smith firm policies Jones and Owen Smith firm policies

:56:21.:56:22.

Jones and Owen Smith firm policies Jones and Owen Smith firm policies

:56:22.:56:28.

in a couple of weeks when Labour go in a couple of weeks when Labour go

:56:28.:56:29.

in a couple of weeks when Labour go in a couple of weeks when Labour go

:56:29.:56:30.

to Llandudno? We are in the process to Llandudno? We are in the process

:56:30.:56:32.

to Llandudno? We are in the process both nationally and in Wales at

:56:32.:56:33.

both nationally and in Wales at both nationally and in Wales at

:56:33.:56:34.

looking at our policies. We will looking at our policies. We will

:56:34.:56:35.

looking at our policies. We will looking at our policies. We will

:56:35.:56:37.

have some idea of where we're going. have some idea of where we're going.

:56:37.:56:38.

have some idea of where we're going. have some idea of where we're going.

:56:38.:56:40.

We will keep an eye out for that. We will keep an eye out for that.

:56:40.:56:41.

We will keep an eye out for that. We will keep an eye out for that.

:56:41.:56:42.

Time now for a quick look back at Time now for a quick look back at

:56:42.:56:43.

Time now for a quick look back at some of the political stories of

:56:43.:56:44.

some of the political stories of some of the political stories of

:56:44.:56:53.

the week in 60 Seconds. the week in 60 Seconds.

:56:53.:56:55.

the week in 60 Seconds. Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative

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Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative

:56:56.:56:58.

leader, said high earners should leader, said high earners should

:56:58.:57:00.

leader, said high earners should leader, said high earners should

:57:00.:57:00.

get an income tax to at best might get an income tax to at best might

:57:01.:57:01.

get an income tax to at best might cuts if powers are devolved to

:57:01.:57:06.

cuts if powers are devolved to cuts if powers are devolved to

:57:06.:57:07.

Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax

:57:07.:57:08.

Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax cuts its powers are devolved to

:57:08.:57:11.

cuts its powers are devolved to cuts its powers are devolved to

:57:11.:57:12.

Cardiff. The Prime Minister will Cardiff. The Prime Minister will

:57:12.:57:13.

Cardiff. The Prime Minister will Cardiff. The Prime Minister will

:57:13.:57:14.

look to their case of a blind look to their case of a blind

:57:15.:57:15.

look to their case of a blind couple in Caerphilly bearer when

:57:15.:57:20.

couple in Caerphilly bearer when couple in Caerphilly bearer when

:57:20.:57:23.

the so-called bedroom tax stars the so-called bedroom tax stars

:57:23.:57:24.

the so-called bedroom tax stars next month. First Minister car

:57:24.:57:26.

next month. First Minister car next month. First Minister car

:57:26.:57:26.

next month. First Minister car Windows and has plans for the bus

:57:26.:57:27.

Windows and has plans for the bus Windows and has plans for the bus

:57:27.:57:28.

on assistance saying he wanted to on assistance saying he wanted to

:57:29.:57:29.

on assistance saying he wanted to recognise ordinary people who do

:57:29.:57:32.

recognise ordinary people who do extraordinary things. -- Carwyn

:57:32.:57:34.

extraordinary things. -- Carwyn extraordinary things. -- Carwyn

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Jones. He made a Commons to Jones. He made a Commons to

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Jones. He made a Commons to Assembly Members during the Wales

:57:35.:57:37.

Assembly Members during the Wales Assembly Members during the Wales

:57:37.:57:38.

deserve to debate which called for deserve to debate which called for

:57:38.:57:39.

deserve to debate which called for deserve to debate which called for

:57:39.:57:39.

deserve to debate which called for at St David's Day to be made a bank

:57:39.:57:42.

at St David's Day to be made a bank at St David's Day to be made a bank

:57:42.:57:43.

holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies

:57:43.:57:44.

holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies and chanting has led MPs in

:57:44.:57:47.

and chanting has led MPs in congratulating Swansea City for

:57:47.:57:48.

congratulating Swansea City for congratulating Swansea City for

:57:48.:57:50.

winning the 10-13 League Cup final. winning the 10-13 League Cup final.

:57:50.:57:55.

winning the 10-13 League Cup final. This one's after Europe. -- the

:57:55.:57:56.

This one's after Europe. -- the This one's after Europe. -- the

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This one's after Europe. -- the Swans are off to Europe. I think

:57:58.:58:00.

Swans are off to Europe. I think Swans are off to Europe. I think

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Swans are off to Europe. I think Byron Davies, you want to put the

:58:01.:58:02.

Byron Davies, you want to put the Byron Davies, you want to put the

:58:02.:58:03.

word in for Assembly Members when word in for Assembly Members when

:58:03.:58:04.

word in for Assembly Members when it comes to congratulating Swansea

:58:04.:58:07.

it comes to congratulating Swansea it comes to congratulating Swansea

:58:07.:58:11.

City. We signed a statement of City. We signed a statement of

:58:11.:58:12.

City. We signed a statement of City. We signed a statement of

:58:12.:58:14.

intent in the Assembly that all on intent in the Assembly that all on

:58:14.:58:16.

intent in the Assembly that all on the South Wales West constituency

:58:16.:58:18.

the South Wales West constituency the South Wales West constituency

:58:18.:58:19.

and regional members to promote the and regional members to promote the

:58:19.:58:20.

and regional members to promote the fact that Swansea City was

:58:20.:58:24.

fact that Swansea City was fact that Swansea City was

:58:24.:58:25.

successful. I, together with Mike successful. I, together with Mike

:58:25.:58:27.

successful. I, together with Mike Hedges, were down in Swansea other

:58:27.:58:28.

Hedges, were down in Swansea other Hedges, were down in Swansea other

:58:28.:58:28.

Hedges, were down in Swansea other day they came back and have a civic

:58:29.:58:29.

day they came back and have a civic day they came back and have a civic

:58:29.:58:30.

day they came back and have a civic reception. I have to say that it

:58:31.:58:32.

reception. I have to say that it reception. I have to say that it

:58:32.:58:33.

reception. I have to say that it was very close to home. We were

:58:33.:58:34.

was very close to home. We were was very close to home. We were

:58:34.:58:36.

supporting them and it wasn't just supporting them and it wasn't just

:58:36.:58:38.

supporting them and it wasn't just a Westminster affair. They add in

:58:38.:58:40.

a Westminster affair. They add in a Westminster affair. They add in

:58:40.:58:41.

a Westminster affair. They add in Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad?

:58:41.:58:43.

Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad? Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad?

:58:43.:58:44.

Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad? I absolutely and I wish them every

:58:44.:58:45.

I absolutely and I wish them every I absolutely and I wish them every

:58:45.:58:49.

success. It has been phenomenal. success. It has been phenomenal.

:58:49.:58:51.

success. It has been phenomenal. success. It has been phenomenal.

:58:51.:58:52.

They have done very, very well. They have done very, very well.

:58:52.:58:53.

They have done very, very well. They have done very, very well.

:58:53.:58:56.

has had an economic impact on the has had an economic impact on the

:58:56.:58:57.

has had an economic impact on the has had an economic impact on the

:58:58.:58:58.

city. Some �50 million. That is the city. Some �50 million. That is the

:58:58.:59:00.

city. Some �50 million. That is the city. Some �50 million. That is the

:59:00.:59:00.

suggestion, I am not too sure about suggestion, I am not too sure about

:59:00.:59:01.

suggestion, I am not too sure about suggestion, I am not too sure about

:59:01.:59:03.

the figure but it will have an the figure but it will have an

:59:04.:59:04.

the figure but it will have an impact. Swansea, the city council

:59:04.:59:05.

impact. Swansea, the city council impact. Swansea, the city council

:59:05.:59:06.

impact. Swansea, the city council need to take this on board as well

:59:06.:59:09.

need to take this on board as well need to take this on board as well

:59:09.:59:10.

need to take this on board as well as the Welsh Assembly. The need to

:59:11.:59:11.

as the Welsh Assembly. The need to as the Welsh Assembly. The need to

:59:11.:59:15.

promote Swansea as a regional area promote Swansea as a regional area

:59:15.:59:21.

promote Swansea as a regional area to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale,

:59:21.:59:22.

to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale, to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale,

:59:22.:59:23.

to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale, you have a busy week in the Lords

:59:23.:59:25.

you have a busy week in the Lords this week. International Women's

:59:25.:59:27.

this week. International Women's this week. International Women's

:59:27.:59:29.

Day coming up on Friday. Day coming up on Friday.

:59:29.:59:31.

Celebrations planned for Thursday. Celebrations planned for Thursday.

:59:31.:59:32.

Celebrations planned for Thursday. Celebrations planned for Thursday.

:59:32.:59:33.

In the House of Lords will be In the House of Lords will be

:59:33.:59:35.

In the House of Lords will be having a four-hour debate on the

:59:35.:59:37.

having a four-hour debate on the having a four-hour debate on the

:59:37.:59:38.

International Women's Day. It gives International Women's Day. It gives

:59:38.:59:40.

International Women's Day. It gives all members the opportunity to make

:59:40.:59:42.

all members the opportunity to make all members the opportunity to make

:59:42.:59:44.

speeches, ask ministers all sorts speeches, ask ministers all sorts

:59:44.:59:45.

speeches, ask ministers all sorts of questions, highlighting or is

:59:45.:59:46.

of questions, highlighting or is of questions, highlighting or is

:59:46.:59:47.

used around women in our own used around women in our own

:59:47.:59:50.

country and internationally. country and internationally.

:59:50.:59:51.

country and internationally. country and internationally.

:59:51.:59:51.

fits into what we have been talking fits into what we have been talking

:59:51.:59:53.

fits into what we have been talking fits into what we have been talking

:59:53.:59:54.

to date. I don't know what there to date. I don't know what there

:59:54.:59:55.

to date. I don't know what there was governments will have planned.

:59:55.:59:57.

was governments will have planned. was governments will have planned.

:59:57.:59:58.

was governments will have planned. Women's issues are so much in the

:59:58.:59:58.

Women's issues are so much in the Women's issues are so much in the

:59:59.:00:02.

news especially with having women news especially with having women

:00:02.:00:03.

news especially with having women into politics. The last few weeks,

:00:03.:00:06.

into politics. The last few weeks, into politics. The last few weeks,

:00:06.:00:06.

into politics. The last few weeks, there's been a lot in the news

:00:07.:00:07.

there's been a lot in the news there's been a lot in the news

:00:07.:00:08.

about the representation of women about the representation of women

:00:08.:00:09.

about the representation of women about the representation of women

:00:09.:00:10.

and so one might think that is and so one might think that is

:00:10.:00:11.

and so one might think that is great. The issues we have been

:00:11.:00:13.

great. The issues we have been great. The issues we have been

:00:13.:00:14.

debating today and throughout the debating today and throughout the

:00:14.:00:16.

debating today and throughout the week. It is really important that

:00:16.:00:18.

week. It is really important that week. It is really important that

:00:18.:00:19.

these issues are raised because these issues are raised because

:00:20.:00:21.

women are under-represented women are under-represented

:00:21.:00:22.

women are under-represented certainly in Wales to a large

:00:22.:00:25.

certainly in Wales to a large extent. Their Welsh Government

:00:25.:00:27.

extent. Their Welsh Government extent. Their Welsh Government

:00:27.:00:28.

talked about quotas, would you like talked about quotas, would you like

:00:28.:00:29.

talked about quotas, would you like talked about quotas, would you like

:00:29.:00:30.

to see a stage where legislation is to see a stage where legislation is

:00:30.:00:34.

to see a stage where legislation is required to get parity? I don't

:00:34.:00:35.

required to get parity? I don't required to get parity? I don't

:00:35.:00:36.

required to get parity? I don't think we will come to that for a

:00:36.:00:37.

think we will come to that for a think we will come to that for a

:00:37.:00:38.

lawful long time although I might lawful long time although I might

:00:38.:00:40.

lawful long time although I might lawful long time although I might

:00:40.:00:42.

like it. It is not my party policy like it. It is not my party policy

:00:42.:00:44.

like it. It is not my party policy like it. It is not my party policy

:00:44.:00:45.

at all. Very briefly, you have been at all. Very briefly, you have been

:00:45.:00:46.

at all. Very briefly, you have been at all. Very briefly, you have been

:00:46.:00:47.

on it, or what you fancy an honour on it, or what you fancy an honour

:00:47.:00:49.

on it, or what you fancy an honour on it, or what you fancy an honour

:00:49.:00:51.

under the Welsh on as Les? If it under the Welsh on as Les? If it

:00:51.:00:52.

under the Welsh on as Les? If it was an Assembly honours list, yes

:00:52.:00:55.

was an Assembly honours list, yes was an Assembly honours list, yes

:00:55.:00:57.

of course. A thank-you for joining of course. A thank-you for joining

:00:57.:00:58.

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