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The Irish language has been thrust front and centre

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of this election campaign, as Arlene Foster insists there'll be

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Tonight on The View, I'll be asking Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill how

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she plans to do business with unionists after March 2nd.

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Arlene Foster predicted a brutal campaign, but how does Sinn Fein

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plan to counter her dismissal of an Irish Language Act

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and her comparison of republicans to crocodiles?

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Can Michelle O'Neill work with Mrs Foster after the election?

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Sinn Fein could not support Arlene Foster in the executive office while

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the investigation is ongoing. And her colleagues said, put manners on,

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is that appropriate? No. Also tonight: As the UK moves closer

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to triggering Article 50 after the lastest Commons vote,

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the Alliance Party accuses Unionist parties of undermining

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the institutions here. Plus, what happens when a White

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House news conference goes awry? When it comes to these decisions the

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Constitution gives our President lots of power.

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And doing their own show-and-tell in Commentators' Corner,

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Professor Deirdre Heenan and Newton Emerson.

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James Brokenshire would not be acceptable as a chair

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for negotiations after the Assembly election in March,

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says Sinn Fein's leader at Stormont, Michelle O'Neill.

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And she has insisted that Arlene Foster cannot take up a post

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in the Executive Office before the inquiry into RHI

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I spoke to Ms O'Neill earlier, and I began by asking her why

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Sinn Fein walked away from the Assembly when she was

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trying to form a policy to tackle the very real

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Absolutely the reason that the Assembly collapsed was because the

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DUP had orchestrated the RHI scandal. That is not acceptable. You

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cannot have corruption at the heart of Government. You cannot have an

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arrogant approach to some sections of society. People who are only

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interested in governing for some, that is not good Government, that is

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not what the Good Friday Agreement was about. That was about integrity,

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equality, respect, delivering for all our citizens. That's the

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Assembly has collapsed is all about RHI. I have listened to the DUP in

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the last couple of days. The executive has fallen because of RHI.

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We will talk about that in a moment but did issue of growing waiting

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lists, asking for support from other party leaders, that you can leave it

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promised not to the permanent Secretary of the Department of

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Finance, to release this money, effort is not an Agreement after the

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election for the Assembly to get up and running again. Of that was

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necessary and people who are dependent on a decent health service

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are losing out. It is your actions that has led to that. It is our

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actions that have brought the executive down because of corruption

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at the heart of Government. You cannot take big decisions about the

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health service, the education service or any other service of

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people do not have integrity in institutions and those people that

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are delivering services. In my seven month since I became Health

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Minister, all cross-party support, the health service needs

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transformation. I have already set out the planned how we're going to

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do that. We had cross-party support. One of the plans I set out was to

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publish a waiting list plan because waiting lists are not acceptable. We

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need to tackle those issues. We need to tackle the causes of what is

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wrong in the health service. But the is the otherness scenario is because

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of RHI and for other reason. You have written to the other party

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leaders asking for their support. Because of the transformation to fix

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the root causes, the reason I wrote to them to put on public record

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their support for dealing with the waiting list issue because that is

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what they have all signed up to. There was widespread support for the

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transformation journey we have embarked on an health, I am

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committed to that both personally and politically. It is to happen.

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Health service that is more support, they are under pressure, we need to

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deal with the meeting that issue, that is what good Government and

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leadership is. To see all those hard decisions that need to be taken

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across education or any of those public services, people need to have

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confidence in the people taking the decisions, the electorate will take

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a decision on the 2nd of March. People decide if they want to have

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an executive that is wedded to the principles of the Good Friday

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Agreement, which is always about integrity, respect and equality and

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Government. Will you be able to work with Arlene Foster if your two

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parties are returned as the largest parties after the election? It is

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from the to decide who the DUP will choose to read them. Letters Arlene

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Foster. We cannot presume to the electorate will return. Our party

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will come into negotiations wanting to bring us into the modern era and

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deal with marriage equality, the language act, all those things. Can

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you work with Arlene Foster on those issues? In terms of forming an

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executive we need a fundamental change. If the DUP are the largest

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party we will need a fundamental change and a step change from them,

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their attitude, it would have to be about delivering for all citizens or

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not. They are not we cannot go into Government. Arlene Foster could not

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take up the position while there is a RHI scandal and investigation

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ongoing. Are you saying you could not work with Arlene Foster in a new

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executive before the results of the public inquiry are made public? Yes,

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that is what I am saying. RHI is a scandal that needs completely

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investigated and no right minded person could support Arlene Foster

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to go into the joint office of first and Deputy First Minister. You will

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not work with Arlene Foster in the executive until we know the

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conclusions of the public inquiry, which could be at least six months?

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There is no possibility of a return to the Assembly, and a devolved

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administration, until the end of this year, is that what you are

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saying? That is not correct. There is a possibility to return to the

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executive and institutions and have a functioning executive, with the

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other parties want to step up, if DUP was to turn up in terms of

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delivering for all citizens, on the basis of equality, respect and

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integrity. Only saying you should decide who will lead the DUP? Know I

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am not saying that. That is for them to decide. I am saying Sinn Fein

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could not support Arlene Foster in the executive office whilst the

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investigation is ongoing. You said any right-thinking person would not

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put themselves forward to any potential executive Rollo is a

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shadow of a cloud hanging over them. That is about Arlene Foster, you are

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saying Arlene Foster is off-limits in terms of playing a role in the

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executive with Sinn Fein until we know for sure that she has been

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cleared by a public inquiry. We have never... She says she has done

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nothing wrong. Martin asked her to step aside for a period of four

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weeks because of the potential investigation, that could have

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produced a preliminary report. That fat little kid then, why not now? We

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are not good to have a preliminary report. -- if that was OK then, why

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not know. Tried to keep the scheme ongoing,

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who withheld information from partners and Government. This

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election is about integrity. You have known about RHI for a long

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time. Martin McGuinness knew about the difficulties back in last

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February but Sinn Fein did nothing about it. Let us be clear, as soon

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as Sinn Fein knew about the difficulties, Sinn Fein said that

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down within a matter of days. That is a matter of fact. As soon as the

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head of the Civil Service came to Martin McGuinness and said there

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were problems, with in days of the scheme was shut down, Sinn Fein took

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action. Your colleague Michelle Gildernew said put manners on Arlene

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Foster, was she right to use that language? No, that is not

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appropriate. That is too far. I am interested in integrity and respect.

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Have you admonished Michelle Gildernew for using that language? I

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have spoken to her. That is not language I would choose. Then the

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last number of weeks and months the DUP have treated the public with

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disrespect and arrogance. I do not want anybody like that in team. If

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you are in public life you have a job to be a leader. That means to

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produce of an uncomfortable situations. To step out of your

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comfort zone. It is about making sure we deliver first-class public

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services. Politics is about the will to want to change things. If you do

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not like things, step up and dry to fix it. That is who I am. I have

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taken on the mantle of Martin McGuinness. I want the Assembly to

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work, I want to do with the health service issues, the economy,

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everything else. That is what politics is, that's who I am, that

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is what Sinn Fein are about. Politics is also the art of

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compromise so if Arlene Foster is retiring and if the DUP says she

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continues to be the leader, and you are going to have to deal with her

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whether you like it or not, and if all the other parties say they would

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like to see devolution up and running again sooner rather than

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later, you have got a problem. Can you work with Arlene Foster? I ask

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that off the back of some of the comments she has made recently

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Richey has said there will never be an Irish language act, where DUP

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members have talked about crocodiles, those holding,

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nationalists = villages, there has been colourful language fired across

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the electoral airwaves in the last number of weeks. Do you think this

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possible given all that is said and done in recent days, weeks and

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months for you to work meaningfully and Government with Arlene Foster in

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future, if that is what the electoral besides you need to do? If

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Arlene Foster is leader of the DUP, and you are assuming the electorate

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will return... I made that qualification. Sinn Fein will come

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to negotiations with their willingness to negotiate things. It

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is in the public interest to do that. We have an election because of

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the RHI scandal, that issue has to be dealt with. I have said that

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before, nobody should go forward for that office if they have that

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clothes hanging over them. That is her choice. Bitterness of choice.

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You know our Sinn Fein Stormont leader, he became a leader in

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January, but it is not quite clear how that process worked. But looks

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more like a coronation than an open and transparent election. That is

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not that damage credibility as the leader? It does not. I am so

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honoured and privileged to take on the role from Martin McGuinness and

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to lead our party into the selection and into the future. It is a

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tremendous honour for me and I will come at it with such energy, I will

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carry on the great work from Martin McGuinness, why I was chosen not an

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issue. We did not see democratic principles at work in your

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appointment as your party's leader in the north, Eileen Foster said you

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were installed by Gerry Adams and you will be instructed by him in

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future, you are his puppets, he is your boss. Gerry Adams as party

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President of Sinn Fein, that is no secret. He has asked me to take on

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the role of leader. Martin McGuinness has passed on the mantle.

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Gerry Adams at any other political leader made an appointment as other

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leaders do. It was endorsed. I am comfortable with it. You have been

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specific about the cost associated with sorting out the waiting list

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issue, ?31.2 million. How much would it cost and an Irish language act?

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There has had a lot of scaremongering in relation to the

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issue. I do not have a cost that does not believe any reply have

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heard. It is a key issue, how can you not cost of that? If you look at

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where we are at in society, whether the Irish language, marriage

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equality, we are the only part of these islands that has not put

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forward legislation on these issues. We are a society that is backward

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looking because of unionism. I am talking about the cost of permitting

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an Irish language act, opponents say it could cost hundreds of millions

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of pounds, you should be able to lead that that by saying it will

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cost extra load of money but you cannot give me a figure. We have

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looked at Scottish language act, for example, it was nobody knew that

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sort of cost. Give me some idea of a figure. Let me tell you this. Last

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week we saw the DUP trying to deflect from the fact that the

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election is about the RHI scandal. It is not about the Irish language

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act, it is about the RHI scandal. You have made that point. People

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understand that. But the Irish language act as an issue you have

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talked about. You want to see an Irish language act. Is that a red

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line. You do not draw red lines on any issue. I would like you to be

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drawn on whether it is a principal or not. An clear on the issue of

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Arlene Foster and suitability to be First Minister at a time when the

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RHI issue has not been resolved and the judge has not reported as far as

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public inquiry is concerned. You should be equally clear about the

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Irish line with Jack, how much would it cost to implement? The Irish

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language act, the Bill of Rights, the legacy issues, they are key

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issues in this election. So you must have costed them? This

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is a wispy block by the DUP before and whenever legislation comes

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forward we would look at the minister who tabled the situation so

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it would be pretty hard to cost. You should be able to put a figure to

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it. I don't think it is an unreasonable question to get some

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sense of whether or not your political opponents have actually

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got it right and it will cost a lot of money or whether your analysis is

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that it would cost a lot less and if it is a lot less to should be able

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to give me a figure. Our political opponents, the DUP, I tried to scare

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about the Irish Language Act and Boxer said. Evidence shows that when

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Scotland voted on a Scottish Irish -- Scottish language act it didn't

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cost much. How much did it cost? Don't you know? The British

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government if it committed to an Irish Language Act it could do so

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and it could finance it. Don't let anyone distract from the fact that

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this is about the RHI scandal. James Brokenshire recently said the

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current system is not working and we are in danger of seeing the past

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reborn. Can he be an honest broker in the elections? No. If you look at

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his actions to date, if you look at his comments in relation to British

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soldiers receiving immunity and how he is ignoring the views of the

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people in the North who want to stay in the European Union and if you

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look at his one-sided than partisan views on a lot of things I don't

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believe James Brokenshire is an honest broker, no, I don't. Does

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that mean you would have to bring in some external facilitator to hold

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those talks together? It would absolutely be preferable. The

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British government and the Irish government Arco guarantors of the

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Good Friday agreement and they have a job to step up to the plate. The

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British government have banded to the DUP for the last number of years

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to each negotiation and tried each failure to implement the issues that

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they signed up to. We can't have British government who is only

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interested in one section of the society. If you are going to be a

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leader, be a leader for everybody. That is who am.

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Michelle O'Neill talking to me earlier, and on next week's

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programme I'll be speaking to the DUP leader, Arlene Foster.

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Now, what are we to make of last night's rejection by unionist MPs

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of an SDLP attempt to ensure the government takes on board

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the Good Friday Agreement during forthcoming Brexit negotiations?

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The UUP says it received assurances from the British government

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that the agreement will not be affected, but the Alliance Party

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says the situation is deeply worrying and leaves the institutions

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Lord Empey and Stephen Farry from both parties join me now.

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Welcome to you both. Thank you for joining us. Lord Empey, you are

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concerned enough to seek assurances from government that the Good Friday

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agreement will not be affected, why not vote for an amendment that could

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have locked it into the Bill? We have been working at this for a long

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time. Back in September we produced our own, the only party that has

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produced a vision for Northern Ireland outside the EU, even the

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executive has not produced one. We went to see Brexit Department

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ministers before Christmas and we went to see, I spoke to David Davis,

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the Brexit secretary on Tuesday and the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

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on Wednesday. We have a meeting on 22nd April with the Brexit ministers

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from Downing Street to follow this up. We have been doing a lot of work

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to ensure the border remains open and that the governments remain

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committed to the agreement and I got an answer. Did you get the

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assurances? I got the man that got them on Hansard because earlier this

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month I asked the Minister a question on these very issues and I

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got absolute clarity. Do you just hope you can ensure? Boris Johnson

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gave me a one word answer, yes. The question was Will you ensure there

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is an open border as it currently stands, and will you ensure that

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there are commitments under the Belfast agreement that are met. He

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said that in front of 80... The negotiations haven't even started!

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He said it in front of 80 other people in the Prime Minister has

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said it in the House of Commons and I think we should not contemplate

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two separate issues here. He is prejudging the outcome of the

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negotiations. He is not in a position to give you a guarantee. It

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is the government of the United Kingdom 's decision that there will

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not be a hard border. The Prime Minister has said it, the Brexit has

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said it -- the Brexit secretary has said that the Foreign Minister has

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said it. It would never get through Parliament has anything else. But

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they can't tell you exactly the nature of the border. We know it

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will not be concrete and barbed wire border. The Irish ambassador came to

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speak to the Northern Ireland affairs committee on Wednesday this

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week and he made it clear that the governments were committed, both of

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them, to ensuring that there was no damage done to the agreement as a

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result. Are you reassured? Certainly not. There are two sides to any

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border so the perspective of the European Union will be important in

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this. They will not want Congress and barbed wire either. We could

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hear the phrase about no returns to the borders of the past but it means

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nothing. There is no reassurance on what the border will look like. You

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are not reassured by the comment from Boris Johnson which was enough

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Lord Empey? Or the experts say that if the UK leads the customs union

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which is our current stated exec -- objective you cannot avoid customs

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border and that has to be a physical check, there are country of origin

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issues that have to be checked and they have to be physical. You cannot

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do it through electronic means. You want recognition of the special

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circumstances in Northern Ireland and you want guarantees put in

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place. What does that mean precisely? We want some sort of

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special status for Northern Ireland which is a special relationship with

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the European Union and I believe that can be... Special status for

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Northern Ireland rather than the island of Ireland? There may be

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special measures that need to be put in place for the island as a hold.

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At the moment Northern Ireland have voted to remain with in Europe and I

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believe special status can be made with the Good Friday agreement and

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the principle of consent. There are issues that we remain on the right

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side of the customs union and part of the single market and the four

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freedoms and we have access to funds and European funds but the wide

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apart around this issue is the Good Friday agreement and the

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reassurances that have been given in that regard. They do not stand up to

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scrutiny. The issues are that the structures of the Good Friday

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agreement may continue but that fails to understand that the

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European Union and the joint membership of the UK and Ireland

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behind that give effect to the Good Friday agreement because we have the

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east-west and north-south relationship in tandem. Brexit means

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putting up barriers. Someone will lose in this regard and it has

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political implications. Are you worried that this would be the

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dangerous uncoupling of the union? Of course it well, it's nonsense.

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The biggest economic, political and social link that we have is with the

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rest of the United Kingdom and I know Stephen 's party is not

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committed to the union, they are diagnostic about it, but that is the

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point. It is the most important unit and if you go down the road of

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special status it is Gerry Adams speak for moving us one more step

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out of the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland voted a certain way and the

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referendum but it was a UK referendum and we accept the result.

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It also means that if you try and keep us locked in some bizarre

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mechanism to keep us in the United Kingdom, what happens if the UK goes

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and does new trade deals with other countries? As a Unionist, if you are

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concerned about the best interest of the people of Northern Ireland in

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these new circumstances, if it can be proven that the best interests

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are represented by a closer relationship between Northern

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Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, what would you have to fear from

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that? It doesn't mean the end of the union, just redefined relationship

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on the island of Ireland. The European Union is a union of member

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states. You are either in a state or you are not. Sinn Fein and others

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want to make Northern Ireland into effectively a protectorate and that

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is the worst possible position for us to be in. The Republic isn't

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interested in this sort of thing at all. They want, and the two

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governments are working extremely closely together, and they are

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ensuring that they are going to solve these problems. There is a

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unanimous political will across all parties. The worst possible outcome?

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Brexit affects all the people of Northern Ireland, when a Unionist,

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nationalist or a whole mix and range of different identities. It was a UK

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wide referendum but Northern Ireland is not as British, we are in a very

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particular place and there are anomalies in Northern Ireland.

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Anyone born he has an automatic right to be an Irish citizen so

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European Union citizen and we have a very integrated economy. Real damage

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will be done to our economy in the context of a hard Brexit. What is

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important is we decouple the concept of special status from the National

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desire for a united Ireland. Special status is something that should

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appeal right across the political spectrum. It is a pragmatic response

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to the problems we are facing and can be entirely consistent with the

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principle of consent. We have to appreciate that the Good Friday

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agreement is a balanced settlement. Strand won the internal dynamic and

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also the east-west is also an synchrony. Brexit upsets all of that

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and it is potentially very serious. At the moment people through the

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European Union, can trade north and south and east and west and get

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through their lives as they see fit. Brexit means putting in place a form

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of barrier somewhere that creates winners and losers and zero choice

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for some people and that is not the underlying spirit of what the

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agreement actually meant. Where will the barrier be? It may not be a

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concrete and barbed wire frontier between North and South but there

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will have to be a frontier. Where do you think it will be? First of all,

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in respect of what Stephen has just said, the most important trading

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relationship we have is with the rest of the United Kingdom. We have

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strong links with the Republic but they pale into insignificance

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compared with our links. Cut adrift? Absolutely not. We are committed and

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one of the people who set up the bodies such as tourism Ireland, this

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trying to link the Brexit with the destruction of the institutions of

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the Belfast agreement is a very dangerous road to go down. Get back

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to the point. Where will the border be? If it does not run through Derry

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and Strabane and ran to Newry, will it be on the Scottish ports? UK and

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GB airports? We have pursued that with the government and we were told

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under no circumstances would they contemplate any internal borders

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within the United Kingdom. Where will it be? Electronically we can do

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a lot because invoices have to be generated, vehicles can be

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bar-coded, the Republic can change its border processes. That will not

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solve all of the problems, it might contribute to some of it. I am not

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finished. The public and is too great controls itself on its own

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ports. Why shouldn't have to do that? The Republic wants to ensure a

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open border and they are our strongest allies in the European

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Union and we will also ensure intelligence sharing between the two

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countries. There are ways in which, lots of ways in which we can do

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that. How do you respond to that? Ireland cannot separate themselves

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from the rest of the European Union. The Irish Republic can't go

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unilateral in terms of having a differential border with the rest of

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the European Union. You want us to adopt the euro? That used to be your

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policy. What Brexit is doing is deciding whether it is better to

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stay economically with Great Britain or the Republic of Ireland and the

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European Union and it is a false choice and we should look to do

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Let's hear what Deirdre Heenan and Newton Emerson make

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Good to see you. Let us go back to the top of the programme and talk

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first of all about Michelle O'Neill and her interview. She is now the

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party was Maxtor want leader. What did you make of her performance

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tonight? That is the first time I have heard Sinn Fein give a specific

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red line on any of these negotiations, about Arlene Foster 's

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tenure and even that red line this time limited. The enquiry will take

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about six months and that is projected. Gerry Adams has already

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said that he considers corruption, to be an issue that is being dealt

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with just by the existence of the enquiry so Sinn Fein has set itself

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a target here that will resolve itself. Everything else is totally

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up in the air and we must bear that in mind. The alleged corruption she

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mentioned several times in the interview. She was crystal clear

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about what Sinn Fein will accept and not accept about Arlene Foster 's

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role in an executive or outside an executive unless and until she is

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cleared by the public enquiry. She was clear and many in the DUP

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will be spitting feathers. You would love to be a fly on the wall and

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Arlene Foster's front room. I would. She talked a lot about leadership.

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Integrity. She said she would be a leader for all of the citizens. I

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think she is coming across or depicting herself. Arlene Foster

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comes across as belligerent, insular, but as she is more affable,

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saying this is about the future, and I am quite sure they will be reeling

:30:26.:30:32.

against that the election. Importantly as well, the future is

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starting to shape up, as Sinn Fein sees it, letting DUP twist in the

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wind for six months I would take the rest of the issues to the British

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Government. She said James Brokenshire cannot be an honest

:30:52.:30:54.

broker in future negotiations and tonight he has said he is not

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contemplating any other outcome but a resumption of devolved partnership

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Government. Yes, but she would say that, because it has been partisan.

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It would have been more interesting if she had said something different.

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I thought it was interesting that she was willing to slap down

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Michelle Gildernew and see that type of language was not acceptable to

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did not want to get into that kind of slanging match. In the past that

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they have been smoothed over but was clear that is not the type of party

:31:22.:31:26.

that she wants to read. What did you make of what she had to say about

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the Irish language act? She could not or would not put a figure on it

:31:31.:31:33.

at all in terms of what it might cost? That is not good preparation.

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What struck me, Gerry Adams has this raised with the Irish Government,

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the Irish Government has raised this at the Brexiter conference with

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Theresa May, it is becoming clear that they know they will not get

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this past the DUP saw the ball to score over the DUP's head. She said

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it was not a red line but she had already pointed out that Arlene

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Foster as leader was a red line. There are many different kinds of

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Irish language act. They are going to have to get something and be

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ankle to have to go to London to get it. They are not the did tie

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themselves in knots before it is to see what it will look like and how

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much it will cost. There is no detail about how much it will cost

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but that is a realisation that people are interested in health,

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education, the economy, and they are the key issues, and she was try to

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focus on those. She has attempted to leave the Health Ministry on

:32:32.:32:36.

autopilot. That would also tie in with the idea of a six-month hiatus,

:32:37.:32:40.

civil servants can sign the checks, the DUP heads can explode while she

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runs to London. What did you make of this, if talks are not successful,

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it gives a Green light to release ?31.2 million, she seems to be

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suggesting. It is meaningless. It is a promissory note. The reality is

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health needs radical transformation. This is a sticking plaster to

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address our waiting list issue that should have been addressed long

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before now. The report is out over six months and absolutely nothing

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has happened. That is dressed up as doing something when in fact we have

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been sitting on our hands watching the problem getting bigger as months

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go past. It does not mean anything. Interested to hear with Arlene

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Foster has two C in response, hopefully she will be on the

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programme next week, Michelle O'Neill said tonight she did not

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want to trade insults but what she said about Arlene Foster, will it be

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winding? It will and there is no question of the DUP coming into

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this. That is all for now. Join me for Sunday Politics

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at 11.35am here on BBC One, when I'll be talking to the leader

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of the Ulster Unionist Party, we leave you with Melissa McCarthy's

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brilliant impersonation of White House spokesman,

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Sean Spicer. If only all news

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conferences were like this! Settle down, settled down. I want to

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ask about the travel ban on Muslims. The travel ban is not a ban which

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makes it a ban. You just call that a ban. I am using your words. You

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treat it if the ban were announced with a one-week notice... Exactly.

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You just said that. He is quoting you.

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It is your words. When it comes to these decisions, the Constitution

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gives our President lots of power. The key adviser. Our President will

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not be deterred.

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