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Hello and welcome to Thursday in Parliament.

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The Government sets out its Brexit policy paper.

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The Transport Secretary says expanding Heathrow

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will be good for Britain post-Brexit.

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a former minister talks about growing up

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I know what it's like to feel that cold nausea

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when you find the empty bottles hidden around the house.

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But first, the Government has published its 75-page

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Brexit policy document, laying out what its objectives

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are in the forthcoming negotiations on extracting the UK

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The principles were contained in the Prime Minister's

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keynote speech last month, so there were few surprises.

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The Secretary of State, David Davis, said it confirmed

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the Prime Minister's vision of an independent, truly global UK.

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The Government recognised the need for clarity and certainty.

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The white paper also sets out we will take control of our own laws

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so they are made in London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast,

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and ensure that we will control the number of people coming

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And the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice

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It will be for Parliament and the devolved legislatures

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to determine significant changes to reflect our new position.

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I've said this at the dispatch box before, there will be

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any number of votes on substantive policy choices.

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To that end, the white paper makes clear that we expect to bring

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forward separate legislation in areas such as customs

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Delivering smooth, mutually beneficial exit, avoiding

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a destructive cliff edge will be the key.

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Whatever the outcome of our negotiations,

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we seek a more open, output looking, confident and fairer UK

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The white paper is available on the Government website,

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and I've arranged for copies to be available in the libraries

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Mr Speaker, I would normally thank the Secretary of State

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A week ago, at Prime Minister's Questions,

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the Prime Minister said there would be a white paper.

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Yesterday, she said there would be a white paper tomorrow.

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The Secretary of State now makes a statement,

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But the white paper has not been delivered until a few minutes ago

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so that we can meaningfully actually ask him questions about it.

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He repeated a demand for a vote in the commons on the final deal

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Otherwise, all honourable members will have to watch on their screens

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as the European Parliament debates our deal

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before we get to express any views on it.

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That is completely unacceptable, and it's demeaning of this House.

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There's no point in having a vote after he's already signed it off

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treating Parliament as some sort of afterthought.

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So can he rule out now the Government

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showing such contempt for Parliament?

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This is now my sixth statement in this House

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The House will have the opportunity to vote on any number of pieces

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of legislation before we get there, and it will have the vote at the end

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to decide whether or not it is acceptable.

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I can't see how you can make it more meaningful than that.

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Mr Speaker, the Secretary of State is more experienced

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It's very striking that we get a white paper after the second

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reading, and two sitting days before the committee stage.

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Now, we have just got this before he got on his feet.

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Is that respectful to Parliament, to be able to question him on it,

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when it only goes out just as he goes on?

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I find that an astonishing disrespect of Parliament.

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It's going to have an impact on each and every one of us,

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On page 49 of this white paper, the Government said, and I quote,

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"we have an open mind on how we can implement new customs

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Just for the avoidance of doubt, because it I think it is important

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to be clear so that everyone knows where we stand,

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will the Secretary of State confirm today

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that we are not only leaving the EU and single market,

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we are definitely leaving the customs union?

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If he reads the rest of that chapter, he will see we exclude

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ourselves from the common commercial policy and the common external

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tariff, which amounts to exactly what he said.

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A former Defence Minister has welcomed the decision

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of a disciplinary tribunal which has struck off a human rights lawyer

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who brought claims of murder and torture against British soldiers

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It found that Phil Shiner had acted dishonestly

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and upheld 12 charges of misconduct against him.

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He'd admitted acting without integrity at an earlier hearing.

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Phil Shiner - who founded the firm, Public Interest Lawyers -

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was accused of drumming up false abuse claims,

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and paying thousands of pounds to a fixer to find Iraqi clients.

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Speaking in the Commons during a debate on the armed forces,

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the MP for Aldershot and a former defence minister,

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Sir Gerald Howarth, gave his reaction.

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I felt at the time that that man, Phil Shiner, was a disgrace.

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He was a dreadful man, engaged in a cowardly

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and unacceptable activity of trying to find people

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who would stand up and accuse his fellow countrymen

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who had gone to relieve the people of Iraq from their suffering,

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and he went to try and do down those people.

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I'm very pleased to hear today he has been struck off.

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Frankly, I don't think that's enough.

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But then I always was a supporter of capital punishment.

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We need to do more to protect those who have done the most for us.

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Because what the covenant should be about is to ensure

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that those who have served, who have risked all,

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safe in the knowledge that they are safe

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and they are not going to be pursued by charlatans

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and liars like Philip Shiner, who has been struck off today

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by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority for his deceit,

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dishonesty and absolute treason to this country,

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in the way he has pursued fine people.

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If people like that had been around

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in the aftermath of the Second World War,

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and if our troops in the Second World War

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had known that they would have to face the duplicity

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and the manoeuvrings and the outrages perpetrated

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on a subsequent generations of soldiers by people like that,

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then I do not think they could possibly have fought

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with the valour that they did, in the defeat of Nazism and fascism.

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A third runway for Heathrow Airport was approved by the Government

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in October, but we've still not had the very final decision.

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to actually build the runway is now underway.

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The Transport Secretary has launched a four-month consultation

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and set out planning and infrastructure proposals.

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a staunch supporter of leaving the EU -

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couldn't resist making a connection with Brexit.

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By backing the north-west runway at Heathrow airport,

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and publishing our proposals today, we are sending a clear signal

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that when we leave the EU, Britain is open for business.

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So, Mr Speaker, today I lay before Parliament

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a draft Airports National Policy Statement

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and begin a period of extensive public consultation

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There is an increasing concern regarding air-quality,

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which is linked to 40,000 early deaths a year.

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David Cameron's former aide, now Baroness Camilla Cavendish,

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claimed existing policy on air-quality underwhelms

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Given this inadequacy, what further and stringent measures

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will be imposed to mitigate expected expansion at Heathrow?

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Of course, some of the things we are consulting on today,

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Mr Speaker, for example, smarter use of airspace,

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one of the things we will be able to achieve through airspace reform

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and through the technology that's now available to us

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is to avoid - to anything like the degree we expect

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at the moment - planes stacking over the south-east of England,

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emitting additional emissions into the atmosphere,

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That's one of the benefits that comes from smarter use of airspace

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that will help contribute, as will cleaner, newer generation,

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more efficient aircraft that we will see, I think, extensively

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in this country over the coming years.

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The Secretary of State will be aware that on the 23rd of January,

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we had a black alert in air pollution in London,

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and 12 local authority areas signalled red alerts.

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That means toxic air, and it is at crisis point in London.

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So I think if you're going to reassure the people

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of London to continue to support this decision,

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we need a much more comprehensive air pollution strategy,

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not the Government's current plans that the courts have said

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Will he explain what he will do if the airport cannot be

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delivered with the legal air obligations limits?

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Proceed anyway, change the air-quality objectives,

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Well, Mr Speaker, it's very clear the airport will not be able

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to secure its development consent order if it cannot demonstrate

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It is binding, it will have to achieve those.

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In terms of our broader strategy, after we have

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left the European Union, the air-quality standards in place

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this country will be UK air-quality standards,

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but it is not the intention of the Government to reduce

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It is our intention to deliver a strategy that cleans up our air.

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How can you consult on airspace strategy when you don't

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have a credible policy of how to address

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How can you offer a consultation National Policy Statement

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when you have no credible or legal plan of how to reduce air pollution?

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How can you have consultations ending on the 25th of May

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with no credible or legal plans of addressing critical noise

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I know how strongly my honourable friend feels about this,

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I do know about the concerns in her constituency,

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and I very much respect her for what she's doing.

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This is one of the difficulties of a big strategic decision like this.

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It's impossible to take it without some impacts.

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I give her simply my assurance that we will take all steps we can

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inevitable though it is that there will be some.

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This is going to be an investment of something not far off

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?20 billion, which is a great boost to post-Brexit Britain,

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on top of the expansion at London City Airport.

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Can he give his best estimate as to when he believes

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the first plane will take off from the north-west runway?

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Well, Mr Speaker, both of us would share the aspirations to do

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But the working assumption is that the first plane

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will take off in the middle of the next decade.

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Of course, we perhaps should have come to this

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At the very least, we are doing it now.

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We will get on with it as soon as possible.

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We have to do it in the right way, we've got to do it in a sustainable

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way, and we've got to do it with great care with

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The National Health Service in England is still failing

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to learning from its mistakes, MPs have heard.

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The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee

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has published a report on how the NHS deals with complaints.

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It calls on the NHS to move from a culture of blame

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The committee also urged the Department of Health to build up

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The purpose of complaints is not just the redress of grievances...

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Which I have to say in the NHS is extremely unsatisfactory anyway,

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Complaints are a tool by which public services

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When medical professionals are forced early to be concerned

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with avoiding liability and responsibility and are trapped

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in a culture of blame, there can be no learning.

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There is an acute need for Government to follow

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through on its commitment to promote a culture in which staff

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will be able to speak out and which the emphasis is placed

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The committee also recommended legislation to ensure

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the new complaints body is truly independent.

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Clearly from the candid completion this morning, there is a long way to

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go before we eradicate the culture of defensiveness that he has

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described. The Minister said the Healthcare

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Safety Investigation Branch - or HSIB - would be up

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and running in April. The committee has called for it to

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be statutorily independent. We agree that it should be as independent as

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possible if it is to discharge its functions fully and effectively. We

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would not rule out the option of legislation. His committee also

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raised in this week report various recommendations and its role. We

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will be responding to that in due course. We are committed to making

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sure that the NHS is committed to learning from its mistakes.

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You're watching Thursday in Parliament, with me,

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The Government's been told to rethink its alcohol strategy

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and bring in a minimum unit price for alcohol in England and Wales.

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The call came from across the chamber as MPs debated

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ways to tackle the harm caused by drinking.

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One MP focused on the damage done when pregnant women drank,

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revealing his own adopted children were both affected by

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a condition called foetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

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The debate was opened by the chair of the all-party

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There are currently over 10 million people drinking at levels

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which increase their risk of health harm.

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Among those aged 15-49 in England, alcohol is now the leading risk

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factor for ill-health, early mortality and disability.

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In England, the average age of death of those dying

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More working years of life are lost in England as a result

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of alcohol-related deaths than from cancers of ?

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and there are many of these ? the lung, bronchus,

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trachea, colon, rectum, brain, pancreas, skin,

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ovary, kidney, stomach, bladder and prostate combined.

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But she argued the Government had done little since the last

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In the foreword to the 2012 strategy, the then Prime Minister

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We're going to set a minimum unit price.

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But five years on, this has still not been done.

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Two MPs turned to the impact of drinking during pregnancy -

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foetal alcohol spectrum disorder, or FASD.

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FASD causes learning disabilities, Balliol problems.

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FASD also causes learning difficulties, behavioural problems,

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and a high proportion of people convicted of crimes in our prisons

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Research by the Medical Research Council has concluded that even

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moderate cringing in pregnancy has an impact on IQ and

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If we all knew that 35,000 children were born every year in this country

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with brain damage that could be prevented completely,

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we would of course do everything in our power to prevent it.

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And yet, worrying evidence is emerging that that may be

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what is happening in this country every year and the figures

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As an adoptive parent, I discovered just how common this

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Including amongst my own two children.

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I don't know if he can recall, when we were receiving evidence

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in our all-party group about the impact of foetal

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alcohol syndrome on adopted and fostered children,

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but one survey done indicated that of the cohort of adopted and foster

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children who were assessed, up to 70% of them were

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There is now a suggestion that many, many children put up for adoption

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And we heard a description from one adoptive parent that adoption is now

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a family finding service for children with foetal

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An SNP MP moved on to the scale of the problem in Scotland.

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I have a very personal stake in this debate.

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By all accounts, my own father, of whom I have no memory,

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But that was not readily talked about in 1960s working-class

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I did not witness his heavy drinking because he died

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Not least because of his heavy drinking.

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My own husband's father was an alcoholic as well, and that

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In Glasgow, where both my husband and I grew up, this was not unusual.

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And even today, it is still more common than you would think.

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The Scottish Government has lowered the drink-driving unit and is trying

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to bring in a minimum price. What else could kill 22 people

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in Scotland each week, cause 600 the hospital admissions

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each week, cost ?3.6 billion each A Labour MP and former minister had

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spoken previously about growing up For much of my life,

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I have grown up with that gnawing insecurity that is all too common

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for many children of alcoholics. That constant feeling of guilt,

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constantly asking yourself whether you're doing enough,

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why is it that you can't do more to stop your mum

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or dad from drinking? I know what it is like to feel that

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cold nausea when you find the empty I know what it is like to feel sick

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when you hear your parent being sick first thing in the morning

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because they have drunk too much. He said the children of alcoholics

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often fell through the gaps in provision.

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The Shadow Health Minister said his alcoholic father had moved

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to Thailand and not come home for his wedding.

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His friends that he had made over there told me

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he was drinking a bottle of whisky a day, over there.

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They told me he could not come to the wedding because he did not

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Because we were from a working class family in Salford.

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You know, I had gone to university, I had become a politician.

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"Posh people" would be at the wedding.

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He felt he would embarrass me by being there.

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And that was... I will always regret that.

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So, look, I am the Shadow Health Secretary, I am going to do

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lots of criticising the Tories because that is my job.

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But can I say to the minister, I will work with Government to put

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in place a proper strategy for supporting children of

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Because, quite simply, 2 million children are suffering,

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let's send them a message that they should no

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The minister said there were grounds for optimism.

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People under 18 are drinking less. Attitudes are changing. There has

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been a steady reduction in alcohol-related road traffic

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accidents. We are seeing real progress in Government working in

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partnership with industry. Industry removed 1.3 billion units of alcohol

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from the market through improving consumer choice of law alcohol

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products, annually 80% of bottles and cans now his plate unit content

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and pregnancy warnings on labels. As to minimum pricing... We are

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considering minimal unit pricing in England and will. But we are waiting

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for the outcome of the court case in Scotland because until we are the

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result of the Supreme Court decision, which is still unknown,

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and we are supporting the process of that case, we cannot proceed with

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any policy decision in the UK. She had an emotional moment at the end

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of speech. I do take courage from today's

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debate, because great social change requires three things,

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I think. It requires long-term

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political will, it requires nonpartisan partnership,

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and it requires bravery. And I have heard all

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three of those today. And I hope that each member who has

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spoken here today will continue to work with me as we fight

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on to tackle this social injustice. The Health Minister, Nicola

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Blackwood. The Government's being urged to do

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more to secure the release of a British-Iranian woman

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being held in Iran. A court there has rejected an appeal

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against a five-year prison sentence given to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

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who has dual British The charity worker has been accused

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of security offences and was detained while trying

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to leave the country with her baby daughter

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after visiting relatives in April. Her husband, Richard Ratcliffe,

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who is from London, said his wife's detention was a "stain" on Iran

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and her family denies Mr Ratcliffe was in the Lords

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gallery as the Foreign Office minister explained

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what the Government Officials are in regular contact

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with her family and we continue to do everything we can for the family.

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I thank the noble lady. Unlike Mr Trump, we seek improved relations

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with Iran. Here we have a mother, British Iranian citizen imprisoned

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after visiting her family there with her daughter. And her daughter is

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solely a British citizen. Surely the time has come for the UK to call for

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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release before she, her little daughter and

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her husband, yet today with his own mother, suffer any more. The

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suffering of the family can barely be imagined. And regardless of some

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of the extraordinary claims made on the internet, we should remember

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this is a loving father who simply wants his family to be reunited. I

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wholly respect that. That is why, my Lords, we are urgently seeking

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information on what further legal actions are available to Nazanin

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Zaghari-Ratcliffe. We will continue to offer support to the family both

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here in London and Iran. I am a Government trade envoy to Iran. Is

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she aware they have raised this issue with the Iranian government

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and they associate wholly with the question asked? Has the Minister

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noticed the statement by the president of Iran, the moderate

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president there who has said that if Iran is to attract more investment

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and commercial engagement with the wider world, it needs to make people

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who visit Iran both welcome and safe?

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Does the noble Baroness understand the disappointment felt by those who

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supported the nuclear agreement and have welcomed the improving

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relations between Iran and the United Kingdom? Would it not be

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unfortunate, to say the least, if the fact this matter is not resolved

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should sully or undermine that improving relationship. The child, I

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understand, is entirely British. What is the Government doing about a

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British subject being held in Iran? We have made it clear, here in this

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dispatch box and colleagues in other places, we are ready to facilitate

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the return of Gabriela to this country. She is solely a British

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citizen and we stand ready to assist in the family ask us to do so.

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And that's it from me for now, but do join me on Friday night at 11

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for a round-up of a busy week here at Westminster that's been

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dominated by Brexit and the UK's relationships with the US.

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But for now, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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