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Poking fun at the politicians - we speak to Ian Hislop about how

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satire is engaging a whole new audience.

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We've got a former Justice Secretary on fixing Scotland's alcohol

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problem, and Amy Macdonald is with us live.

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Shereen, you've been talking to West Wing actor, Andras Schiff.

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A personal hero. Yes, a personal hero of mine -

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the actor who played Toby Zeigler on how he made a Scottish

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anti-Trump hashtag go global. I think in this case,

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this adds a little fun to the fury. Adding fun to the fury

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is what satire is all about. But on this side of the pond

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there hasn't exactly been an oversupply of it

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in the past few years - even through the Indyref,

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the elections and the But the election of President Trump

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has been generating a wealth of material -

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clips from US comedy shows are being shared

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by millions all over the world, and sales of the satirical magazine

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Private Eye have been soaring. I caught up with its editor

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Ian Hislop earlier and asked why the satire business should be

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booming at the moment. I think we've been noticing it for

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the last year, the lead up to the referendum, then the referendum and

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the Trump presidential election. Suddenly people were A, gloomy, and

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wanted something to laugh at and B, they wanted information. There was

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so much confliction, news, spin, coming out, that they wanted

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something to come out with people to say this is like this. So jokes,

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journalism, that came our way, which was very, very good news. Ian,

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you've been editing Private Eye for 30-odd years, is there enough satire

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in the UK at the moment? I'm game for more but it comes in waves. In

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certain times when people are happier, it must be said, they say

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"leave him alone" early Blair year, they were saying, "do you want the

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Tories back?" Leave him alone. So it is variable, the interest in satire.

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But I think it is obviously a good response. It is healthy.

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Is there a gap in the market? On television, we see programmes like

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Saturday Night Live doing well in the United States is there room for

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something new here? It is great that Saturday Night Live is doing well.

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It has not been for ages, this is a resurgence for it. Saturday Night

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Live becomes popular when people are unhappy. In settled times people

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said "they would say that" so again it comes when it is needed. I'm sure

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that there will be more on television in Britain, there will be

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a response. My worry is that the age of satire has come after both major

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decisions. It would have been nice to have been more effective earlier

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and may be people would have agreed with us! When it comes to President

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Trump, does the satire come easy? The thing with Trump, is that it is

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easy to see what is funny. What is harder is to find out where he is

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vulnerable. That is where the satire becomes effective. What does he

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hate? Saturday Night Live have got under his skin. He is tweeting about

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how it is unfunny. That is the best response for a satirist for someone

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to say that this is pathetic, that is when you know you have gotten

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through. What makes good satire? What are the key elements? Good

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observation, telling people essentially, something new, a

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different take on what they have watched, so that they go "yes,

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that's right. He does make it up, he doesn't listen. He twists it towards

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himself. He does breathtakingly say what he didn't say in the first half

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of the sentence" all of the observations that make it resonate.

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Is a situation ever too serious to satirise? Not really, no. World

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politics is never a complete laugh, is it? I don't any anyone doing

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satire in the Second World War, the First World War, the middle of the

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Victorian period, right back to my favourite, who was juvenile, who

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said "things are getting very serious, I better do satire" that

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was 1 AD. It is an old form of response.

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Do you have to be into politics to enjoy satire, or does good satire

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draw people into the political debate? If it is done well, it

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should make you engage in politics. You are thinking you don't

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understand it or see what is happening, good satire, this will

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sound Reidy but it will entertain and inform.

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We wanted to find out why there's so little satire here.

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Be warned - a now famous Scottish insult is up ahead.

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Hi there. I didn't see you. I'm doing real journalism, because when

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I am, hang on, I'm a real journalist, yes, what is what I am!

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People ask, where is the satire in Scotland.

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Why don't we have more in our country? America has it.

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I've been told, that to cut back on the gum chewing, I am now limbing

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myself to one slice a day. So I will enjoy my one and only and you can

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just sit and watch! Other countries have jumped on the: Scotland is the

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funniest nation on earth bandwagon. I ballooned Donald Trump. I rubbed

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it on his head, the hair stood up. It is amazing it reacts to similarly

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to real hair?! And this guy, Andras Schiff, a man promoted to the patron

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saint of Scotland as we are excited to use a word every day, to describe

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odows, that we use every day. I can use it all the day. Does it

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make me a hero? Are we two torn faced to make fun of our own

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politics? Don't ask me, I'm from Edinburgh! What's the biggest joke

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in politics? Westminster! Every bit of satire is American.

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What do you think of satire? Is it good? In life in general if you make

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her smile, it makes her day. It wasn't that fun but I haven't

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recorded it yet. Why is there a dirth of satire in Scotland? I think

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we are scared. Not here at the BBC, of course, this is the home of fair

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and unbiassed journalism but to say Scotland can be polarised in

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politics, it is not exactly a shock. Either half, I'm not singling anyone

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out. But remember, it is good to laugh at ourselves. Remember, it

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could be a lot, lot worse... Doors opening. But seriously, I do have

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bills to pay, so I could do with the work. If we called all just bring

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back Scottish satire. What else do you want me to do? A final dance?

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Oh, I work hard for the money! So hard for the money! Please, give me

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a job. We'll get back to him.

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And my chat with West Wing actor Richard Schiff will be a bit

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Do you enjoy a drink? Kenny McAskill is one with who does but believes

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that strong, cheap alcohol should be more expense sieve.

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That buying booze shot not be a normal purchase, with separate

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enalcohol only tills in the supermarkets. Good ideas or not?

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Kenny McAskill has made a film to set out his case.

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Many Scots like a drink. I do too. There is nothing wrong with that.

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But I've had issues with it, I'm ashamed to say and I'm not the only

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one it can come at a cost. Every year more than 1,000 Scots

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lose their lives through alcohol abuse.

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It costs ?3.6 billion in total in Scotland through its impact on the

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NHS and crime. That's ?900 annually for each adult.

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Money that ultimately has to come from taxes. It's not just

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statistics, there is a personal cost. A friend of mine died recently

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from alcohol abuse, he was two years younger than me that is why medics

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and campaigners are saying that action must be taken.

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We have about 22 lives lost a week in Scotland due to alcohol. These

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are lives that are lost often in what you may call in the prime of

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people's lives in the late 40s, 50, 60s. So it adds up to individual and

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family Raj Dirks but we lose a lot of working lives lost through

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alcohol. Ten years ago when I became the

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justice sec tear, the serve secretary tried to set levels on

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drinking. This would be Vice-President alas three-quarters

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of drinking is done in the home, not in the pub. It would have ended the

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absurdity that a bottle of cheap cider is less than a bottle of

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water. Years on and the minimum price is not in force as it is

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challenged by the Scotch Whisky Association. Yesterday studies show

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that lives cowl be saved. So does this show that Scotch Whisky

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Association is putting lives before health? It does not tally. Alcohol

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problems are coming from a range of different options. There is no

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relation between alcohol consumption and price. In Scotland a loot of

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what is called harmful drinkers are in a higher income bracket.

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The public's view on the minimum price varies? Does it matter the

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price? They will buy the cheaper stuff. If they put up the price,

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people who drink will still drink and forgo something else like food,

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which I don't agree with. I suppose that they must try to control it.

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Too much drinking but I don't drink that much anyway, so I don't have to

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worry. There are other things that must be

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done and alcohol legislation must shift to keep up with the changing

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drinking patterns. Surely it is time for a separate till as we do for

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tobacco? It should not be a normal purchase like buying a tin of beans

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or a loaf of bread. I spoke to the groups that represent the main

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supermarkets, what were their views? There are good and clear reasons for

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the tobacco to be dealt differently. Alcohol is different. Moderate

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alcohol consumption is reasonable, a glass of wine a day may not be

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unhealthy. We must be careful to ensure that the measures to target

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alcohol targets the problem users, rather than moderate shoppers. And

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there are the malts and the beers and the jobs and the wealth it

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brings to the country, alcohol is to be enjoyed but it needs to be

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controlled and regulate #d and regulate whered it is most likely to

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be bought. That was the view of Kenny McAskill.

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Joining us now is Pennie Taylor. Before we move on, where are we now

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with minimum pricing for alcohol? It was passed by the Scottish

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Parliament in 2012, having received widespread cross-party support and

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the support of the medical community, nurses, people in public

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health it would be welcomed by them. But it is described as ground

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breaking legislation, so clearly challenging for the alcohol

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industry. They took it to the court session in Scotland. They took it to

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a European Court and that's been referred now back to the Court of

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Session in Edinburgh for a local decision to be made it is

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anticipated, obviously, not to prove judge a decision but that it will

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finally get through. What about Kenny McAskill's suggestion of

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allowing alcohol to be sold at separate tills only? I think it is

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very different from tobacco. There is no safe level of smoking. Yet 80%

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of people who drink alcohol do so responsible. Is it a licensed drug?

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You would be running a system to address 20%, stigmatising alcohol

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use. Some of us like the odd glass of wine and don't overdo it, so why

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stigmatise and punish those? Now, 57% of alcohol is bought in

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supermarkets or in off-licences and you could argue that they are

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separate tills, they are separate shops for buying alcohol.

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The Scottish Government is reviewing the approach to alcohol, what can we

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expect? There was a refresh of the 2009 alcohol strategy due last year.

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It is not published. I'm told it will be this summer. I'm hoping it

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keeps up with the awareness of the #45r78s of overdoing booze. We saw

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last Christmas that drink driving levels were up again. There is a

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growing body of evidence to show for instance that older people, rather

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than young people, who you may think are at greater risk of drinking too

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much it is the older people living in isolation that are perhaps at

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more risk than anybody else. We must tackle that and creditly, there has

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been budget cuts in terms of treatment services. That is an issue

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that must be addressed and I hope that the strategy does that.

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What is the one thing you think we would have the biggest impact on

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reducing alcohol consumption? Alcohol's misuse is associated with

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cancer. There is issue with sponsorship of shorts by alcohol it

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is about not normalising heavy drinking.

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Pennie Taylor thank you very much. And and on and on this, using the

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hashtag. And minimum pricing, a range of views -- lets look at what

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you have been saying on this. One here from the Scottington Poat.

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In Sweden there is a state owned monopoly and you have to go to their

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stories to buy booze -- Scottington Post.

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Now, from your tweets to a trending hastag, Shereen.

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Yes, earlier we mentioned Richard Schiff who

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played presidential adviser Toby Ziegler in the West Wing.

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He's been very vocal in his anti-Trump tweets and he's

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made a now famous Scottish hashtag - which seems to have been

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originated by Edinburgh man Thomas Hind - go global.

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I had a chat with him before we came on air and asked him

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how it all started - I should warn you, you'll hear

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the insulting hashtag mentioned a few times!

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quite by accident. Somebody sent me a video of Samantha B, who has a

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very funny political show, a funny woman, you're in the States, showing

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demonstrations in Scotland and people saying the words out loud.

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And then I just went off on the word bawbag. I thought it was the

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greatest word I had ever heard. And of course know that I know what it

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means I clearly get the sound and with the word comes from. Someone, I

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am guessing from Scotland, I don't know, said, how about we start a

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hashtag, #PresidentBawbag? And I tweeted, let it be so. I am loving

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that word in an American accident -- accent. How does it feel to be an

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honorary Scot? I was honoured. I accept. I have been to Scotland, to

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Loch Lomond, and forgive me if my pronunciation is not good. To

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Edinburgh, and of course Saint Andrews. I went up there for the

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Dunhill. You are a big golfer. Would you go to a Trump course? I would

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not. I have also been aware of Mr Bawbag for a long time because I

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grew up in New York. I would dismiss him as someone I did not want in

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front of my face ever. He has a great golf course in New Jersey, the

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Trump National, and I refuse to go. There are so many good golf courses

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in Scotland. Why would I bother going to his? I am sure it was a

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great golf course once, but it has now been spoiled. Do you think this

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hashtag will be on his radar and you can get him to react? I don't know

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but I know I have not been arrested yet, and I think that is in the

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realm of possibility as long as he is in power. So he has not taken a

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personal vendetta by using the National Guard yet, but, yes, I am

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pretty sure it has been on his radar because he looks at everything and

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is aware of everything, because that is what he does. I think it is a

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little tough for tend to react without spreading it even more, and

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I think this is one he does not want to draw any further than it already

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has. Do you think you will keep it going? -- does not want it to grow

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any more. I think it had its little Twitter burst of them and, you know,

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I encourage people to use it. And all Scottish people on that side of

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the political spectrum who are not only scared but furious, enraged, by

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this man and his power grab, that we should use it because I think, I

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actually think, you know, I stayed away from insults for a long time

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because I don't tend to live my life insulting people, but I think in

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this case it adds a little bit of fun to the fury and gathers people

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together with some humour, and anyway we can unify worldwide to

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send the message to our Congress, because those are the people that

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will determine our future, that we are fed up and we are not going to

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stop, anything we can do to do that, I am happy to chip in, you know, my

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part, and if bawbag is the way to do it, or one way to help, then I am

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all in. How do you bawbag? I will probably get into trouble for this.

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Bawbag. I love hearing you say that. You make it sound like a beautiful

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word. LAUGHTER

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A beautiful word! How did you see it again? We are in enough trouble as

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it is, I think we have said it enough.

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One 17-year-old in Kilbarchan is a professional lego-animator,

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making films from lego sets he builds in his bedroom.

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Morgan Spence has got his exams in May, but while revising he's been

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working on his animations for companies like the Red Cross

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Let's take a look at some of his work.

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How did you start animating in Lego? I had to do a report on World War II

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at school and my class had to write an essay and I decided to do

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something different, a short film, using a technique called stop motion

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animation. A technique of taking hundreds of pictures and playing

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them together at high speed, so I spent two weeks at home and got my

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model planes into a Battle of Britain fate. Commissions for the

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BBC and the Red Cross -- Battle of Britain fights. Jimmy

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you can imagine for a 13-year-old boy who just started high school it

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was a bit of a shock. Suddenly I was doing with professionals and working

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through storyboards and script and then bringing to life what this P J

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Dobbs in Lego. Do you work? I do my animation is right here in my

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bedroom studio, bring them to life in the small studio tent behind me.

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It is quite a small working environment, so I think it is quite

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magical. That it is all coming from a tiny bedroom studio. What is

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involved? It is a very manual process. For every one second of

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film there are 15 pictures. A person, for example. I take my first

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picture of them, move them a fractional amount, then another

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picture and I repeat that process hundreds of times. What is next?

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University applications, exams in May, so I will be focusing on that

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in the meantime but I certainly hoping to pick up a few more

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projects when I have the time. What a talent!

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And tomorrow, singer-songwriter Amy Macdonald's fourth album -

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With her guitarist Sam, and you have busy time, just back from Germany.

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But what were you doing deep-fried Mars bar on German television? It

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was really sweet. It comes from such a nice place, they are all such

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lovely people, and they thought it would make me feel at home, having

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obviously done an Internet search and thought that was something we

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did regularly. And on Valentine's Day! Yes, so romantic. Little

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cocktail umbrellas in the deep-fried Mars bars. Your back and will be

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performing at the store tomorrow and the release of the new album. Was it

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important to you to be here to do that? It is the first time actually

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I have been at home the day my album comes out. With all of my previous

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ones I was always somewhere else. The last one, I remember, I was in

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Stockholm the day the album came out, so it is nice to be here and I

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will be doing a show on Argyle Street at six o'clock tomorrow. And

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you have a European tour lined up, travelling across the continent just

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at the point where the UK is negotiating its way out of the

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European Union. Does that matter to you? It is actually a question I

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have been asking more than anything else travelling around Germany and

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France and all the other countries I have been to. And it is really

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interesting, being able to see both sides, because the way the media

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tends to reported in Britain is that Angela Merkel and everyone and the

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rest of Europe is sitting saying, we don't care, get them out, whatever.

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But over there the people I actually speak to are really confused and

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they say it is truly bizarre for them and they actually feel a bit

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heart and they think, why does Britain hate us so much? -- they

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feel a bit hurt. The way it is reported in Britain and the UK is

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completely off the reality. You're a supporter of independence a couple

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of years ago. How do you feel about it now? The main reason I supported

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independence is because I wanted to have a vote that mattered. Ever

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since I have been able to vote my vote has not made one difference in

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the UK election. Would you like to do it again or not? I think the

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circumstances have changed massively, yes. Thank you for coming

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in. I know you will play us out so I will let you get organised for that.

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Thank you very much. Stay in touch with us and let

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us know what you think we should be talking about -

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we're on social media. And you can find us online,

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or you can email us. Shereen and I will be back next week

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- same time, same place. In the meantime, here's

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Amy Macdonald with Dream On. # Never gonna cast my anchor out

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I'm a free spirit, torn in a way # I can't stay here for too long

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I got to keep on moving on # Nothing fades as nothing changes

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This old place is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world

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and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world

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and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world

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and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world

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and I won't look back # I was living for the weekend

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And the drinks are on me # Skipping school and cutting out

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I wish this world would let me be # Trying to catch a feeling

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Trying to find myself # Cause this old place

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is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world

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and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world

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and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world

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and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world

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and I won't look back # The time to listen now

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I cast my anchor down Every woman will go through it,

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so why don't we talk about it more? His words were,

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"You're far too young." Kirsty Wark finds out

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the reality for some women... ..and looks at ways

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we can help ourselves. I noticed a difference

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almost within a week. The Insiders' Guide

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to the Menopause. We really need to talk

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about it more. (Whatever happens,

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stay close to me.) MUSIC: Perfect

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by Mason vs Princess Superstar # Four, three, two, one

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One, two, three, whoo! # Let me hear you scream

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if you want some more... # # Watch me work it

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I'm perfect... # # I knew you were trouble

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when you walked in

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