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Hello, it's Wednesday. It's 9am. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme. | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
This evening MPs are likely to take the historic step of voting | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
to trigger the process of the UK leaving the European Union. | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
It's a big day for voters, it's a big day for politicians | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
and we're going to hear more of this. | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
England has saved herself and will I trust save Europe and the United | :00:29. | :00:42. | |
Kingdom by her example. I personally shall be voting with my | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
conscience, content in this vote and when we see what unfolds here after | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
as we leave the European Union, I hope the consciouses of other | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
members of Parliament remain equally content. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
In an exclusive interview, we'll talk live to | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
18-year-old Chelsea Cameron from Dundee who's written an open | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
letter to her drug addicted mum and dad thanking them for not | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
She says it made her ambitious, independent | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
Her first interview, exclusively at 9.15am. | :01:15. | :01:24. | |
E-mails telling you to do the right thing or snooping? | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
Internet providers are contacting those of you who've downloaded | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
Throughout the morning, we'll bring you the latest breaking | :01:30. | :01:50. | |
We are going to talk about rail fares and how confusing the system | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
is with some trips costing more if you buy different tickets. | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
Operators are now planning an overhaul. | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
Send us your examples of baffling fares. | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
MPs will vote tonight on legislation that would allow the Government | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
to formally start the process of leaving the European Union. | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
MPs debated the issue for nearly 12 hours yesterday and will have more | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
discussions today. The Government is expected to win despite opposition | :02:33. | :02:33. | |
from some. Our Political Correspondent | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
Chris Mason reports. Heading home into the winter's night | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
after nearly 12 hours of debate. Midnight in Westminster | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
with another afternoon This is a debate | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
with fire and passion. In my opinion, the people | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
have decided, and I'm That eight second speech best sums | :02:55. | :03:05. | |
up the mood of MPs however This is a process that | :03:06. | :03:15. | |
needs to be triggered. We need to do it soon and the public | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
of this country expect us to do it. The new government have acted | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
as though the vote in the referendum gives them carte blanche to engineer | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
the most extreme kind of arrangements for | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
the UK leaving the EU. She is one of a few dozen | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Labour MPs who could vote against starting Brexit, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
but ministers are confident they'll win easily because many MPs | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
who passionately campaigned for Remain will support | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
starting the Brexit process, even if they're irritated | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
by the claims of some. Please don't mock our intelligence | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
by pretending we're going to sign a suite of trade deals on day one | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
of leaving the European Union. And MPs return here this morning | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
to pick up where they left off. We will talk to various MPs | :04:09. | :04:21. | |
throughout the programme about that. Joanna is in the BBC | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
Newsroom with a summary Train operators have promised | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
to overhaul what they say Trials aimed at cutting red tape, | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
and making it easier for passengers to find the cheapest fares, | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
will begin in May. Our business correspondent | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
Ben Thompson reports. Buying train tickets is notoriously | :04:40. | :04:40. | |
complicated and confusing for many and so now the government | :04:41. | :04:51. | |
is to trial a new, simpler system, one that should make it easier | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
to find the cheapest fares. The new trial will begin in May this | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
year on trains between London, It will reduce the number | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
of confusing ticket options. The rail delivery group, | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
which represents train operators, says the changes will mean | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
passengers are offered the best price every time regardless | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
of whether they book It's quite complicated to find | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
which place to buy them A wide range from ?10 to ?76 | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
for the journey I do. It is quite confusing to know | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
which ones to take, especially like, The trial should put an end | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
to what's known as split ticketing, where passengers divide | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
their journey into single shorter Out of date options and discounts | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
will also be removed The clearer ticket vending | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
machines will never replace trained helpful members of staff, | :05:46. | :05:56. | |
so we need to make sure that train companies ensure that ticket offices | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
remain open and that there are staff there who can talk you through | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
the different options, The train companies themselves | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
have welcomed the trial, blaming government rules built up | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
over decades for stopping them But critics say the trial doesn't go | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
far enough after above inflation price rises came into force | :06:13. | :06:21. | |
in January alongside strikes and delays affecting many parts | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
of the rail network. Let's speak to Alexandra MacKenzie | :06:24. | :06:32. | |
who is at King's Cross What are people there | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
making of the changes? There seems to be something going | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
on. We have been hearing over the tannoy that the station is being | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
evacuated. So all of the exits that I can see around me, there are a lot | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
of people leaving the station, but at this stage we don't quite know | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
what's happening. It has just been announced that people are to leave | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
the station, but we were here earlier to speak to passengers about | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
the new ticketing scheme. The ticketing scheme that we have at the | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
moment, it has been with us for the last 30 years and politicians and | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
rail companies have said it is out dated and it is too complicated and | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
it is time for a change so that's what we were asking passengers about | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
here earlier. Some of them said they were quite happy with things as they | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
were. Other people said no, it is way too complicated. They seem to | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
have trouble knowing whether they were getting the best value for | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
money or whether they knew when a ticket was peak or off-peak. The one | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
main thing that they did speak to me about was the cost of tickets. | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
Almost everyone said that they just felt rail travel was too expensive, | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
but they did speak to me about split ticketing which most people I spoke | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
to had had at least tried and I'll give you an example. If we wanted to | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
go on a journey today, a return journey, from Cornwall all the way | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
up to Wick, on an advanced return ticket, we would pay around ?300. | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
But someone who did their research and was doing split ticketing I | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
understand could get six tickets between Cornwall and Wick and they | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
could pay as little as ?80 for that. So a very big difference. | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
That's just one example and we'd love people to get in touch with | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
their examples as well. All the usual ways of getting in touch, | :08:30. | :08:30. | |
thank you. Presdent Trump has nominated | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
a conservative judge, Neil Gorsuch, to fill a vacancy on the US Supreme | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
Court. If confirmed, the 49-year-old | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
will become the youngest person to fill the position in a quarter | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
of a century. Some Democrats say they'll | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
oppose him because of his attitudes Our Washington Correspondent, | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
David Willis has more. In the hands of this man, | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
even an appointment to the top court in the land has the feel | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
of a reality TV show. Today, I'm keeping another promise | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
to the American people Donald Trump had brought the top two | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
contenders for the job to Washington in order to keep his prime-time TV | :08:59. | :09:08. | |
audience guessing, only to tell this federal | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
appeals court judge, Judge Gorsuch has outstanding legal | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
skills, a brilliant mind, tremendous discipline, | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
and has earned bipartisan support. At 49, Neil Gorcuch is the youngest | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
nominee to the supreme court in more Standing here in a house | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
of history, and acutely aware of my own imperfections, | :09:30. | :09:39. | |
I pledge that if I am confirmed I will do all my powers permit | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
to be a faithful servant of the constitutional laws | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
of this great country. Judge Gorsuch's conservative | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
ideology is closely aligned to that of the man he has been nominated | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
to replace, Justice Antonin Scalia, The choice of Neil Gorsuch is a gift | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
to those who voted for Donald Trump. His conservative views could tip | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
the balance of the Supreme Court on such key issues as abortion, | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
voting rights, and The system for recovering cash | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
from overseas patients who use the NHS is "chaotic" and ministers | :10:09. | :10:20. | |
should "get a grip" on the issue, The Public Accounts Committee | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
is calling for more to be done by the NHS to identify and charge | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
people from overseas. The Department of Health says | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
the amount recovered from foreign countries has more than trebled | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
in three years. Police say a 16-year-old Vietnamese | :10:36. | :10:45. | |
boy has been found hiding in bushes in Dumbarton, | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
after escaping from traffickers. The teenager is thought to have been | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
trafficked to Russia before He was found by a member | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
of the public two weeks ago. Police are appealing | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
for information. That's a summary of | :10:57. | :10:57. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. Let me read | :10:58. | :11:07. | |
some messages from you. Thank you. On Brexit Matt on Facebook says | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
"Today we get to see how many MPs from all parties put the interests | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
of the European Union above the British people's decision to leave | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
the European Union." And this tweet from James who is very much looking | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
forward to hearing Chelsea Cameron in her first broadcast interview in | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
about five minutes time. Chelsea has written an open letter to her drug | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
addicted parents to thank them for effectively not being there for her | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
as she was growing up. James said as someone struggling with his | :11:41. | :11:42. | |
addiction this will be fascinating listening. Clearly, an old head on | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
such young shoulders. We'll talk live to Chelsea in five or six | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
minutes time. Do get in touch with us | :11:50. | :11:51. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
and If you text, you will be charged Ryan Mason on the road to recovery. | :11:55. | :12:09. | |
He fractured his skull and it looked awful. What has he been saying? | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
We're glad there is a happy ending. Ryan Mason was released from | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
hospital on Monday, but he released a statement for the first time to | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
say that he's lucky to be alive. That he would like to thank everyone | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
for their support. This was nine days ago at Stamford in a game | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
between Hull and Chelsea and Ryan Mason is only 25 years old. It was a | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
collision with Gary Cahill, a clattering of heads and Ryan Mason | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
was stretchered off to applause at Stamford Bridge, but he then spent a | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
week in St Mary's Hospital in London and that led to quite a few worrying | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
moments. There were reports on the night that it might even be life | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
threatening. Thank goodness that's not the case. We don't know if Ryan | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
Mason will play football again, that's not been confirmed. His | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
manager said that he's confident he will make that full recovery to | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
actually go on and resume his career. Such an important player for | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
Hull as well. He's 25 years old, an England international and he is | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
their record club signing and Hull bottom of the praOk, they've sold | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
Jake Livermore, I would be amazed if he plays football this season. There | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
has been no official confirmation or anything to contradict that. He will | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
play, but the main thing, Victoria, he's out of hospital and he made | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
this statement saying that he's lucky to be alive and he's all good. | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
A group of MPs who make up the sport committee want to talk to Lord Coe | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
again about the Russian doping scandal. Remind us why and what are | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
the odds on him turning up again? Well, yeah, they've asked Lord Coe | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
to come in and speak to the Select Committee again. This is Damien | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
Collins the chairman of the Select Committee and Lord Coe, you will | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
remember he gave his evidence, he came and spoke to Damien Collins in | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
December 2015. This was all surrounding this Russian corruption | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
in athletics and at the Time Lord co said he wasn't aware of any | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
corruption in the sport. Well, since then, there has been evidence that | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
surfaced in a Panorama documentary last June where a former athlete, | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
David Bedford said that he sent this e-mail to Lord Coe, before December | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
2015, this is back this 2014, saying that he had this evidence about an | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
athlete called Lilia, a Russian athlete and he had sent the | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
attachments. Well, Lord Coe is saying he didn't open the attachment | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
because he was on holiday abroad and he forwarded the e-mail on. So it is | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
a kind of he said, she said. The Select Committee just want to know | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
who said what? And they want it explaining. They want to know how | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
much he knew before he had received this e-mail and of course, because | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
he told the Parliamentary Select Committee that he wasn't aware of | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
specific allegations. He is still saying there is no discrepancy | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
between what he said then and what they know now, but Damien Collins | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
says he has to come in and clear it up and saying that athletics is in a | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
precarious place at the moment and it needs its leader, the President | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
of IAAF Lord Coe, to come in and clear this up. Thank you very much. | :15:22. | :15:30. | |
Now most of us have memories of moments when we are growing up, | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
those firsts like getting exam results, prize giving, | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
trips away and having your family around to be there. | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
She is going to read us an open letter that she | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
wrote to her parents - both drug addicts - about how | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
But instead of being angry, she is grateful to them as she says | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
it has made her independent, ambitious and determined | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
This week her dad was sent to prison for burglary. | :15:58. | :16:08. | |
Take a few minutes to listen to Chelsea, | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
I know you are comfortable about that, but first of all explain a | :16:11. | :16:25. | |
little to our audience about your life growing up. I had a relatively | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
normal childhood growing up, that I was aware of my parents taking drugs | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
and some criminal behaviour they had been involved in. My parents | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
definitely loved me and still do, and care about me, but maybe not | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
enough to sacrifice drugs and to prioritise us in their lives. But | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
really I'm not here to go into detail about the things that | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
happened negatively in their lives, I want to be a positive role model | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
to other young people who are going through a similar situation. What | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
kind of drugs were they using? I am aware they were taking Valium, | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
possibly heroin, and other drugs they picked up on the street. What | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
do you recall was unusual compared to most other parents about their | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
behaviour? I think children are aware of a lot more than adults | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
probably think they are sometimes they were completely incoherent or | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
just not able to focus on what you were saying, slurring their words | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
and things like that which was traumatic as a child. Sometimes you | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
would see them fighting in the street and dealers hammering on the | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
door? I saw lots of situations where my parents were in the street | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
fighting with others or just other situations where maybe violence was | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
brought to our home and things like that. What was that like for you? It | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
was difficult as a child because naturally I love my parents and I | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
still do and I know they care about me, but there were things I may be | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
missed out on in my childhood that maybe my friends have opportunities | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
to do. Just a little bit of normality that was missing in my | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
childhood. I think you took your younger brother to his first day at | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
school because your parents were not capable of doing that. Unfortunately | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
my mother was not able to be there. My dad did come up with us and we | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
took my little brother to school that day, but that was really a big | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
step for me. I was young, maybe only 14, and my little brother went to | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
his first day of school and I took him there and communicated with the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
staff and try to organise that for him, which may seem like a negative | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
experience, but I am thankful for that opportunity. Me and my little | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
brother have a great bond and that has developed the experiences we | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
have had in our family. Would you please read our some of your letter. | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
Yes, of course. Thank you. Thank you for teaching me that taking drugs | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
ruins lives, breaks families apart and gives no want a quality of life | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
when living. I will be eternally grateful for this lesson you have | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
taught me which is a message that stuck by me to this day and always | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
will. I have never and will never have a desire to take harmful | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
substances through your example. Thank you for teaching me to be | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
ambitious. Your example showed me that no ambition for education or | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
success is harmful and leads to a lot of self worth. Life is all about | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
choices and I did not need to make the same ones you did. Remember that | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
time we forced dad into watching Hannah Montana, but there is a lying | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
in one of the songs that says, life is what you make it, so let's make | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
it rock. Life has turned out for me what I have chosen to make it. You | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
both can make your lives rock as you make your chances. Thank you for | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
making me not easily embarrassed. You have both made choices, | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
sometimes very public, allowing everyone I associate to know what | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
you are like. That has given me the opportunity to speak freely and | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
openly about how I am and how my life has been growing up. In school | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
I try to have an all clear ego that an altar ego. I made myself | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
something that I was not associating with the harsh truth of our lives. | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
The thing that kept me sane was thinking people did not know the | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
truth. They probably did, but I brainwash myself into thinking that | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
they did not. Thank you for teaching me that life is unfair, people | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
disappoint you and there is nothing you can do about that. Thank you for | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
not being there to wave goodbye as I jetted off to Uganda on a trip of a | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
lifetime. Thank you for not being there when I got my first exam | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
results to say well done. Thank you for not being there when I got the | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
position of head girl. Thank you for not being there when I stood in | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
front of hundreds of people to speak at my prizegiving. You have given me | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
the greatest lesson of how to be independent. You have both allowed | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
me to be a more patient and tolerant person that I could have ever | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
imagined. Dad, I see you off, but I hope you have a greater insight into | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
the type of person I am. Mum, I hope you are well and I hope you are a | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
bit better now. I hope you know I am trying to be a good person. I hope | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
one day you will wake up and realise there is so much more that the world | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
has to offer you and when that day comes, please come to find me so we | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
can enjoy live together. I will show you some nice restaurants and if you | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
are lucky I will take you to Germany one day. Until then I will dream of | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
what my life might be like with parents to enjoy it with. Wow, that | :22:16. | :22:28. | |
is really powerful and very moving. What is upsetting is to say life is | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
not sunshine and rainbows. We know that, but you know it at such a | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
young age and that makes me very sad. There are lots of negative | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
things that come into people's lives possibly not through their own | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
circumstances. What I wanted to do was to allow people to see that they | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
could choose positivity, no matter what circumstances they were in, and | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
have joined in their life no matter what circumstances are. Society | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
tells you if you parents live a certain way, or if you live a | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
certain lifestyle, it is destined that you live like that. My hope is | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
to show other young people that they can choose exactly what they want | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
their life to be. They can choose joy, happiness and positivity, no | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
matter what the circumstances. What kind of a response you have had? I | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
have had incredible responses. So many people in similar situations | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
have said, this has helped me, it has made me know that it is OK to | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
talk about how you feel, not to bottle it up and to know they do not | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
have to fall into that pathway. Not just with drugs, a lot of people | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
have contacted me with any negative situation they have had in their | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
lives and it has made them realise that you can choose to be positive. | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
Because a negative has happened in your life, that does not determine | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
your attitude, you can be positive and continue to be happy. Is it | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
young people, kids, middle aged people contacting you? I have had a | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
lot of different people, a lot of young people and older people who | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
may be did not know my circumstances before or who had known my parents. | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
They had reached out to support me and allowed me to know that I have | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
helped someone by showing them the letter as well, which was my desire. | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
You talk about the period of time when you were younger when you felt | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
you had to hide what was going on at home. As a young person you are very | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
easily embarrassed and you want to try and be this person that seems | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
perfect and your life is perfect and everything flows nicely and no one | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
needs to know anything negative about your life. I kept that persona | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
for a long time and I bottled it up. I felt like I wanted to shed the | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
letter because it was time for me to speak about how I feel and to tell | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
others that it is time for them to speak about how they feel as well. | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
Although I do not know them, I can support them and they can come to me | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
for any advice as a friend and supporter. At 14, in the middle of | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
high school, you stopped living with your parents. Where did you go? I | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
lived with various family members and friends. That was on the | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
recommendation of social workers? Yes. What did they say? They said my | :25:30. | :25:37. | |
dad was not able to care for us any more. He was in a bad place with his | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
difficulties and it was the best for my brother and I to move away from | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
that. I have had continuous support from family and friends who have | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
taken me in and show me a level of care that was not necessary for them | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
to give me, that my parents would have given me, but they have | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
continued to support me and I am extremely grateful for it. This is | :26:01. | :26:10. | |
not an angry letter. You are not publicly shaming your parents. You | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
mean it. This is thank you. I am absolutely not here to criticise my | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
parents or to put shame upon them. As I have said, I want other young | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
people to know that they are not alone. There are other people facing | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
these difficulties and to try and have a positive spin on things. We | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
live in a society that is full of negativity and chaos and lots of | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
trouble going on. When we get to a place in our lives where we can | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
choose to be positive and happy, it is the best thing for our own | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
well-being. How do you think you have achieved exam success, becoming | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
head girl? The trip to Uganda was so important to you, how have you done | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
it? I have had so much support from other friends, teachers and family | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
members that have really allowed me to choose to go down that path. | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Opportunities are coming my way, the opportunity to be the head girl, to | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
try hard at school, to have the opportunity to go to Uganda, and I | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
grabbed those opportunities with both hands and I did things that | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
will enrich my life hopefully. Your mum, who you have not spoken to for | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
over a year, has given a quote to the Daily Mail today. Is it OK if I | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
read it? Yes, that is fine. No child should go through what Chelsea did | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
and live that kind of life. I am ashamed and upset that my behaviour | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
and I am so sorry. I am so proud of her. It is nice to hear that | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
response from my mum and I will continue to love and support my | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
parents. They have not made the best choices, but everyone makes bad | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
choices and I want them to know that I am there for them if they want to | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
reach out to me. I will be involved in their lives as much as I can. | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
What was your reaction when your dad was jailed this week? I was not | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
surprised, but we have a great relationship, I get on with him very | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
well and I will continue to support him my whole life for anything that | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
he needs. These are messages from our audience, may I read them? Yes. | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
Chris says, what an inspirational young women. Ian says, what an | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
amazing young woman Chelsea Cameron is after such a troubled childhood. | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
Good luck to her in her future. A lovely lady. Chuck says, Chelsea is | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
an exceptional lady. Bolivia, what an inspirational and incredible | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
girl, and she has chosen the life she wants to live. Mehdi says, well | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
done young lady. Clare says, wow, what an incredible young woman, she | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
will go far. Ellie says this on Twitter, I am listening now, what an | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
inspiration. Thank you very much. It is true. Thank you. Do you forgive | :29:17. | :29:24. | |
your parents? Absolutely, absolutely. No matter the choices | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
they make, I continue to forgive them. I am thankful for the | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
opportunities they have given me to become an independent person, to | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
choose good pathways. Maybe if my childhood was different, I would not | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
have had the opportunities I have now to be independent and ambitious | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
and to have the drive I have. I will be eternally grateful for that. You | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
are only a teenager, do you know what you want to do? Not entirely, | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
see what opportunities come my way, I guess. I wish you lots of luck. | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
Thank you for talking to us. Thank you. If you want to get in touch | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
with Chelsea Cameron and us, you can send us an e-mail. | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
This evening MPs will vote on the bill that would allow | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
Theresa May to trigger Article 50 and formally notify the EU | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
We'll be speaking to three MPs here in the studio. | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
Some internet providers are warning customers their illegal | :30:29. | :30:30. | |
It's a controversial move and some experts believe | :30:31. | :30:38. | |
it has come too late to be an effective deterrent. | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
We'll talk about that in the next hour as well. | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
In the BBC Newsroom here's a summary of today's news. | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
MPs will today vote on legislation that would allow the Government | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
to trigger Article 50, starting the process | :31:00. | :31:00. | |
It would see the start of two years of formal negotiations | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
The Government is expected to win the vote, despite opposition | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
Train operators have promised to overhaul what they say | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
Trials aimed at making it easier for passengers to find the cheapest | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
The first routes affected will include CrossCountry, | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
Virgin Trains' east and west coast services and East Midlands. | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
Donald Trump has nominated a conservative judge from Colorado, | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
Neil Gorsuch, to fill a vacancy on the US Supreme Court. | :31:32. | :31:33. | |
If confirmed, the 49-year-old will become the youngest person | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
to fill the position in a quarter of a century. | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
Some Democrats have said they will oppose the choice. | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
David Cameron tried to have the editor of the Daily Mail | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
sacked during last year's EU referendum campaign, | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
The paper's owner said the former Prime Minister had asked him | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
to "rein in" or dismiss Paul Dacre, who was strongly pro-Brexit. | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
A spokesman for Mr Cameron said he "did not believe | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
he could determine who edited the Daily Mail." | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
The leader of France's National Front party, Marine Le Pen, | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
could have her MEP's salary cut in half today as a punishment | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
The European Parliament had given her until midnight to return | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
?250,000 it says she mis-spent on the salary of a party official. | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
Ms Le Pen says she won't give the money back. | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
I cannot tell you how many messages we've got for Chelsea Cameron. Alice | :32:25. | :32:35. | |
says, "I'm blown away by Chelsea's mindset. What an inspiration." | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
Maggie, "A an amazing young woman with great coping mechanisms. " | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
Bernadette says, "OMG, what a wonderful and beautiful attitude to | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
life." Stevie says, "You've got me welling up at my desk at work. James | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
says, "Choice. The heart of it all. So moving a testimony. I'm looking | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
in the mirror long and hard." Another viewer says, "Please hug | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
this girl. She is amazing." Another viewer says, "Day time TV never | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
makes me cry." ." Another viewer says, "Thank you, Chelsea, you | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
reminded me at 57 to make good life choices." We did hug! | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
Here's some sport now with Will Perry. | :33:27. | :33:27. | |
Chelsea have extended their lead at the top of the Premier League | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
David Luiz put them ahead at Anfield and although Liverpool equalised | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
and Chelsea missed a penalty, but Antonio Conte's side | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
are now nine points clear after their closest rivals stumbled. | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
Hull City's Ryan Mason said he was "lucky to be alive" | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
Mason fractured his skull in a challenge with Chelsea | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
He has thanked everyone for the "overwhelming support" given | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
England's cricketers will be looking to finish a disappointing winter | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Their last hope of a series win lies with the final T20 | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
in Bangalore after they lost the Test | :34:10. | :34:11. | |
Lord Coe has been asked to meet MPs again after e-mails seem | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
to confirm he did know the details of doping allegations | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
in athletics, four months before they became public. | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
Coe says he was not aware of the specifics. | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
The Brexit debate will carry on in the Commons this afternoon, | :34:24. | :34:31. | |
after a late-night session where MPs delivered passionately held views | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
And tonight they will vote on the legislation giving | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
the Government the go-ahead to trigger Article 50. | :34:41. | :34:42. | |
The Bill is expected to pass this test in spite | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
of opposition from the SNP, the Liberal Democrats | :34:46. | :34:46. | |
Norman Smith joins us now outside Parliament. | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
That's a question I put to one leading anti-Brexit campaigner and | :34:53. | :35:04. | |
he said we are going to lose. The people opposed to Brexit are going | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
to lose. If you want to boil it down to one basic reason, it is because | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
most of them, the overwhelming majority of them accept the result | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
of the referendum. They may not like it. In fact, they don't like it, but | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
they accept the people have spoken. So, yes, there will be plenty of | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
arguments still over the details, whether we're in the single market, | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
what sort of immigration rules we have, whether MPs should have a vote | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
before Mrs May agrees a deal, but on the fundamental question - Mrs May | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
wins and MPs tonight will vote to begin the process of leaving the EU. | :35:39. | :35:47. | |
So I am the breaks tiers are on a roll. Some were comparing it to | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
Henry the fifth's speech to British troops to the Battle of Waterloo. | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
Have a listen... The instruction of the British people have to be | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
carried out. That's what we will do. If I may say once again those famous | :36:07. | :36:18. | |
words of William Pitt England has saved herself and will I trust save | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
Europe and the United Kingdom by her example. | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
And all those many good things that Europe, we are told, has given us, | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
the great news is, we can decide to keep them for ourselves! All those | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
good laws we will keep. All those employment protections, we will | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
agree to continue. And the day that we leave the European Union, it will | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
be a great day. Stirring stuff. I don't think I have seen John Redwood | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
getting so animated, but contrast that with Ken Clarke, the only Tory | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
who is going to vote against triggering this Bill beginning our | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
departure from the EU. Now he was actually applauded at the end by | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
some Opposition MPs, but have a look at the two Tory sitting behind him | :37:08. | :37:15. | |
sort of indifference. I personally shall be voting with my conscience | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
content in this vote and when we see what unfolds here after as we leave | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
the European Union, I hope the consciences of other members of | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
Parliament remain equally content. So Mr Clarke the only Conservative | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
who is going to vote against this. What about the Labour Party? Well, | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
Vic, you'd like to say it is a car crash, but it is worse than a car | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
crash. You'd have to look away. The blunt truth is Labour are split from | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
top to bottom on the issue of Europe from the Shadow Cabinet, through the | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
Parliamentary party through the constituency parties and through | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
ordinary Labour voters and it is not something you can blame Jeremy | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
Corbyn for. It is much more profound and it is hard to see how the two | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
sides can mesh together again and you know yesterday in the Commons | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
there were Labour MPs sniping at each other. I've got a couple here. | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
First, Kate Howey having a go at those of her colleagues who were | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
sort of deriding people who voted for Brexit on the ground they didn't | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
really understand the issues. Take a look. People didn't know what they | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
were voting for. They voted to leave, but they didn't know what | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
that meant. They didn't understand it. It really is patronising and it | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
is part of the reason why so many people voted to leave, that they | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
were fed-up being treated as if they knew nothing and that those in power | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
knew more than them. It's not clear whether the Prime | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
Minister frightened the European Commission by her threat to | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
devastate our tax base and in consequence all our public services, | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
but she successfully frightened me. I do not believe, not for one | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
second, that that is what the British people thought they were | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
voting for. So, for now, Mrs May's plans for Brexit are on course. The | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
only other thing I would say Vic, this place often, you know people | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
view it as dull and dreary. Actually yesterday, you know, it was at its | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
best. We had really passionate convincing speeches on both sides | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
and you know, if you want to take a look at the best of Parliament then | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
I would suggest maybe having a look at the debates today because it's | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
quite stirring stuff. Cheers, Norman. | :39:32. | :39:41. | |
Earlier I spoke with Labour's Shadow Foreign Secretary | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
and former Brexit Secretary Emily Thornberry. | :39:44. | :39:45. | |
She told this programme the party's stance on Brexit | :39:46. | :39:47. | |
We campaigned to remain in the European Union. | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
But the referendum was a serious thing. | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
We asked people to make up their minds what they wanted | :39:57. | :39:58. | |
to do and they decided that we had to leave. | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
And so, you know, we are internationalists and we like Europe | :40:02. | :40:03. | |
but we are Democrats, more than anything else. | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
And so we have our instructions from the British public | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
and we're going to leave the European Union but, | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
you know, not necessarily the way the Tories want to. | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
The Tories have got a whole bunch of contradictory ideas | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
about what it is that they see as our future in Europe, the worst | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
one being that they will go for low taxes, deregulation, | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
getting rid of people's rights, getting rid of environmental | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
So we will be fighting them all the way in order to make sure | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
that we get the sort of economy at the end of this that maximises | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Do you understand your Labour colleagues who say, look, | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
my constituency voted to remain in the European Union, I am | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
going to do what my constituency, what my voters want to do, | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
so I'm going to vote against triggering Article 50 today? | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
Listen, 75% of my constituents voted to remain in the European Union. | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
As a national party you don't pick one side or another, | :40:57. | :41:05. | |
you speak on behalf of the whole nation. | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
And kind of weirdly, like, the contradiction | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
within the Labour Party, the fact that we have people | :41:10. | :41:11. | |
who want to stay and we have people who want to go actually, | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
And it's up to us to step up and say OK, we're leaving but let's make | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
sure that we get the best possible deal because we don't trust | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
What will happen to those Labour MPs who vote against the majority, | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
the will of the people, and vote against their boss, Jeremy Corbyn? | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
Well, I think those who are in front bench positions will have to stand | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
down because the Labour Party, we have had many, many discussions. | :41:35. | :41:36. | |
We've come to this decision together. | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
Are you expecting to lose more frontbenchers then? | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
Well, who knows? I'm not making any predictions. | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
I mean, I've had lots of conversations, I do understand, | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
I completely respect where people are coming from and I'm sure | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
But it is in our country's interest that the opposition does not | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
turn its back on democracy, that we go ahead with | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
But we've got to help the Government, to make sure we get | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
What do you say to those who say it's a bit rich Jeremy Corbyn | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
with this three line whip because how many times did he vote | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
He's well aware of that. He's well aware of that. | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
He's aware of it, what does he say? Is he not a hypocrite? | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
He's not a hypocrite, he's now leading a national party | :42:23. | :42:24. | |
and we have a national position that we've come to collectively | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
and that's the decision and we're going ahead with it. | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
Let us talk now to conservative MP Kwasi Kwarteng who voted to leave | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
the EU and who will vote for triggering Article 50 tonight, | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
and Labour MP Heidi Alexander who voted to remain in the EU and, | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
despite orders from Jeremy Corbyn, will rebel and vote | :42:41. | :42:42. | |
Why? Well, I actually think that we have to take this decision in what | :42:43. | :42:56. | |
each individual believes to be the national economic interest. Your | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
boss doesn't think that though? What Jeremy Corbyn thinks, what the | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
whipping arrangements for me is not as important as what my conscience | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
tells me and what I think is best for the country. Every MP... What's | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
going to happen to you after you have rebelled? I am a backbench MP. | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
I need to look at what the big key issues are. I don't think that when | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
people voted last year to leave the European Union that they were voting | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
on the issue of coming out of the single market. Are you expecting a | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
lot of vitriol online after your vote tonight or not? I haven't had | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
much so far to be honest. I experienced a lot of vitriol last | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
summer when I decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet as the Shadow | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
Health Secretary. What I'm doing is what I believe to be in the national | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
economic interest and I think that there is a fundamental question | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
about democracy here as well, democracy didn't start or end on | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
23rd June. If I can just finish this point. Sorry, go on. It is | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
important. In the Conservative manifesto, page 72 reads that a | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
Conservative Government would safeguard British interests in the | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
single market. The word, "Single market" Weren't on the ballot paper | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
in the referendum on 23rd June and then we have a Prime Minister where | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
No vote has been cast about her becoming the leader of the Tory | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
Party, determining what Brexit looks like and I actually think that more | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
people than just the Prime Minister, should be involved in having a say | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
about what that looks like. Well, she had a big statement there and I | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
know lots of things that she said and I disagree. Firstly, you | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
accepted the referendum. You voted for a referendum as I understand. | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
What's the point in having a referendum if you ignore the result? | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
It is not some sort of advisory committee. It's 33 million people | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
casting a vote. There was a clear decisive result and all this | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
triggering of Arle 50 is implementing the result of that | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
vote. Now, I understand in your constituency, the majority of people | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
voted to remain. So I do understand that, but I think once you've | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
committed to a referendum, you as a politician, you should honour the | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
result. I mean, Ken Clarke is in a very good position because he didn't | :45:17. | :45:18. | |
want a referendum and he voted against it. You voted for it. | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
There were circumstances under which I could have voted to trigger | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
Article 50, but Theresa May took that option off the table for me | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
when she made that speech in Lancaster House. What if no good | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
deal is reached? We are out the single market. I do not understand | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
what it means to leave the EU and be in the single market. People talk | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
the Norwegian arrangement, in that instance you do not have any control | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
over freedom of movement. You have to accept it. We are subjected to | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
World Trade Organisation tariffs, import licences, customs checks, a | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
whole load of bureaucracy, not to mention the tariffs. The tariffs are | :46:09. | :46:16. | |
quite low. They are not free. Most of it will be eliminated through | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
currency fluctuations. You make it sound so simple. It is simple, | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
people are trying to complicate things. David Cameron appeared on | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
the Andrew Marr show when he was Prime Minister, do you remember? | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
Yes, I do remember. A lot has happened. They were trying to | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
frighten the wits out of people that if we voted to leave the EU, we | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
would leave the single market and he said that on more than one occasion. | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
People were not frightened by their threats and George Osborne's | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
punishment budget and they were clear eyed and voted to leave. | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
Colleagues of yours to do the airwaves... I don't remember. They | :46:58. | :47:04. | |
did. Owen Paterson said only a madman would leave the single | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
market. He was not head of the campaign. If you allow me to finish. | :47:09. | :47:15. | |
We had Nigel Farage who the broadcasters could not get off the | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
television. He was claiming that countries such as Norway do pretty | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
well outside of the European Union. The debate that led up to the | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
referendum was misleading and sometimes toxic. It inflamed the | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
situation rather than informed people. I respect the result of the | :47:34. | :47:44. | |
referendum, but I do not respect... You do not respect it enough to | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
trigger article 15. You could argue that people have already voted to | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
trigger Article 50. There were circumstances under which I could | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
have voted to trigger Article 50. When Theresa May said she was | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
pulling as out of the single market, when she said she was prioritising | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
reducing immigration over our national economic interests, and | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
when she threatened our closest geographical neighbours with in | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
effect a trade war, I was ashamed of what the British Prime Minister said | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
on that day. Do you think the public should have a say on the final deal? | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
It depends what the final deal is? Why does it depend on that? There is | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
not a deal, there is nothing to vote for. I think we are getting ahead of | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
ourselves. I am not frightened of a second referendum. If Theresa May | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
comes back with what she and you considered to be a good deal, that | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
should be put to the people? It will be put to Parliament. What about the | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
people? I am not sure, I do not think that is necessary. They should | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
not have a say? Let's see what the deal is. It may well be that people | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
want to decide. It is not up to me. Either way, I think we are leaving | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
the EU, I think the people who want to stay in the EU are deluded if | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
they think a second referendum will overturn the result of the first | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
one. I was not suggesting that, but do you think the public should have | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
a final say on the deal that Theresa May comes back with? At the very | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
least members of Parliament should have a meaningful vote on that. What | :49:27. | :49:28. | |
about the public? Yes, I do. On Monday we're holding | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
a special programme looking We'll be looking at the problems | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
it's facing and asking If you work in the NHS, a doctor, | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
a nurse or a consultant, or you're a patient with recent | :49:42. | :49:52. | |
experience, we'd love you to take It's in central London | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
on Monday February 6th. to register your interest and one | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
of our team will be in touch. If you're watching TV | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
on your laptop, or a film in the cinema or buying music online | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
you'll be familiar So if you choose to ignore that | :50:09. | :50:10. | |
warning and continue to download your favourite TV series | :50:11. | :50:55. | |
illegally or share music without paying for it, | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
you can now expect to receive an e-mail detailing what you're | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
up to, in the hope it It's part of the government's | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
attempt to crack down on piracy. This scheme purely focuses on people | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
sharing files from one The idea is that people | :51:13. | :51:14. | |
will change their habits if they know their activity | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
is being monitored by the big internet providers like BT, | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
Virgin Media, TalkTalk and Sky. Let's talk now to John Carr, | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
who is a member of the UK Council He advises the government | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
about children's use And Marianne Grant, | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
Motion Picture Association's They both feel these "educational | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
e-mails" will crack-down on piracy. And Mark Chapman from | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
The Pirate Party who does Why not? Because, firstly, how many | :51:47. | :52:01. | |
people when you receive an e-mail from your Internet service provider | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
does not go into your deleted folder? The idea that people do not | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
know that what they are doing is illegal, that these educational | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
e-mails are giving them information about alternative providers that | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
they can use, legal streaming services, the idea that people do | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
not know that they already exist is ludicrous. Why do people infringe | :52:23. | :52:29. | |
copyright and download movies and films illegally? The idea that | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
piracy is about theft is one of the more misjudged ideas. Internet | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
piracy tends to be about access. Ofcom said that for every ?16 that | :52:42. | :52:52. | |
normal users pay for use, digital download pirates pay ?26. They are | :52:53. | :52:59. | |
positive to the creative arts. Why do people do it? Because they want | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
to watch the latest film as soon as it has happened. If it is a US | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
release of a new series and it is not out in the UK, they will do it? | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
Explain to mark what that costs the film industry and how much this is | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
an issue for the film industry. It is a huge issue for the film | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
industry, not just music and games and other parts of the industry. | :53:25. | :53:32. | |
Music, 150- ?200 million in a year is lost to piracy. About the same | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
amount of money is spent in making new music. Literally the music | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
industry could be doing twice as much as what it does with new | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
artists if it was not losing that money. That is an example in real | :53:47. | :53:53. | |
terms. In your analogy, maybe I could correct a couple of things. | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
First of all, e-mails are triggered by people sharing files online, but | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
they do not just talk about file sharing. Secondly, if the Internet | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
service providers are not honouring people on their networks, the | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
copyright holders will send notices. And they send the e-mail to the | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
user. We do not want people to feel that their activity online is being | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
looked at. If you got an e-mail saying, we notice you have been | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
sharing this file illegally, would you stop doing it? I would. I would | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
not do in the place. You can see the point I am making? We are doing more | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
than that. We can say, there are consequences to your behaviour and | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
some of those are a loss to the industry, but it is also a loss of | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
jobs, a loss to the innovators and the creators trying to make | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
something. It is the time people invest in making what they do. Last | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
night, at the Costa book awards happened and I heard the winner this | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
morning and he said, it took him 50 years to plan the book. He said it | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
had been in his head for 50 years. That is what we are dealing with. | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
Everyone is a fan of something, so when everyone understands that | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
better, which is what we want to say with these e-mails, they say, I did | :55:25. | :55:32. | |
not think about it that way. In some cases it is theft. John Carr, it is | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
not clear to me how many e-mails you will need to get before some | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
sanction is imposed. Are there any sanctions or is it just hope people | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
will change their behaviour? As far as I am aware it is about drawing | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
attention to people that they are breaking the law. A lot of parents | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
who are the account holders in these situations have no idea that their | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
kids are up to this kind of thing and what they are doing is unlawful. | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
I hope these e-mails will trigger a conversation between parents and | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
their children who might be ripping off films, music or whatever. There | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
are two reasons why I am interested in this as a child protection | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
person. One is it is a very bad idea for young people to be encouraged to | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
believe to think that stealing or behaving unlawfully is permissible | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
or is cool, or is something you can get away very easily with. Secondly, | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
some of these piracy websites that kids are going to our awful and | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
disgusting places, full of adverts for prostitution, drugs, we just do | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
not want young people going to these places to begin with. A question | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
from Hugh who is watching, please clarify the difference between | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
downloading and streaming? Are they both illegal? They can be, it | :56:58. | :57:03. | |
depends from where you are streaming in from. It is the source of the | :57:04. | :57:10. | |
content. There are lots of legal places to stream from and legal apps | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
that you can be using on your tablet and phone, but there are illegal | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
ones because the content is not licensed. Do you accept the point | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
there will be parents who will not know what their child is doing and | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
it might be illegal and it would be useful for the parents to get one of | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
these e-mails? I accept there are parents who do not know what | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
children are doing on the Internet and it is a big issue that society | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
has not yet tackled properly. The fact you are targeting some parents | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
in this, but not all, that is a conversation we should be having | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
just wider than the people who these e-mails are going to. Which is why | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
we have the rest of the campaign which has been running for over a | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
year, so we are. We have an ad that has been viewed about 12 million | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
times. We have lots of different videos and assets that have been | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
produced talking about different areas in the industry with | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
creatives. We have been trying to reach people where they are in the | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
place they like and these e-mails are just another tool in that | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
toolkit to help us get that message out. Thank you all very much for | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
coming on the programme. Still to come: Could a computer be able to | :58:24. | :58:33. | |
read to the mind of a patient experiencing locked in syndrome. | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
That is when somebody is conscious, but they are unaware that they are | :58:39. | :58:45. | |
able to communicate. We will talk to a woman who recovered from locked in | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
syndrome and I will be due some more of your incredible messages to | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
Chelsea Cameron who was on the programme earlier. She read her open | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
letter to her drug addicted parents. You are so admiring of her and I | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
will read some of your messages in the next hour. We have got the | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
latest news and sport, before that, the weather. | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
This weather front will clear away and we have drier and brighter | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
interlude with a few showers before more rain and strengthening winds | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
arrive from the West. It is a mild start, temperatures not lifting that | :59:27. | :59:32. | |
much from where they are now. Overnight we lose this front and the | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
second one moves eastwards and then the next system comes in from the | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
West, producing heavy rain and strengthening winds. Temperatures | :59:41. | :59:48. | |
between 7-10. We are not anticipating problems with frost. | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
Tomorrow rain moves from the West to the east, but the main feature will | :59:53. | :59:57. | |
be the wind. It will be a windy day wherever you are. Gail is out | :59:58. | :00:03. | |
towards the west and into the Irish Sea and up to Scotland. Temperatures | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
are in double figures, but it will not feel particularly pleasant. | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
18-year-old Chelsea Cameron from Dundee wrote an open letter | :00:13. | :00:21. | |
to her drug addicted mum and dad thanking them for not | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
She has told us in her first ever interview that while normality | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
was missing from her childhood, her parents' absence had | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
made her ambitious, independent and determined to succeed. | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
Life is not sunshine and rainbows and thank you for teaching me that | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
life is unfair. People disappoint you and there is sometimes nothing | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
you can do about that. A lesson well learnt from the both of you. Guy | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
says, "What an inspirational young woman. I sat here and criedment" | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
Laura says, "Amazing bravery. Heartfelt thank you to her drug | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
addicted parents. What an inspiring girl." | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
You can watch the full 15 interview with Chelsea again and read the full | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
letter by going to our programme page. | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
MPs are likely to begin the process of leaving the process of leaving | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
the European Union tonight. We're likely to hear more of that in the | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
Commons. England has saved herself and will, I trust, save Europe and | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
the United Kingdom by her example. I personally shall be voting with my | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
conscience, content in this vote and when we see what unfolds here after | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
as we leave the European Union, I hope the consciences of other | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
members of Parliament remain equally content. | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
Police in Los Angeles have made 500 arrests and rescued more than 50 | :02:04. | :02:11. | |
women and girls in their biggest ever operation to find young women | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
We have exclusive access to the LAPD's major | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
We find minors every day that were out here working. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
We had them as young as 11 and all the way to 17. | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
11 is the youngest that we had though. | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
And she was being forced to sell herself... | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Have you ever been confused when buying train tickets? | :02:31. | :02:40. | |
Train operators are to overhaul what they say is a "baffling" | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
ticketing system to ensure that you, the passengers, pay | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :02:51. | :02:59. | |
MPs will vote tonight on legislation that would allow the government | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
to trigger Article 50, starting the process | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
It would see the start of two years of formal negotiations | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
The Government is expected to win the vote, despite opposition | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
Train operators have promised to overhaul what they say | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
Trials aimed at cutting red tape, and making it easier for passengers | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
to find the cheapest fares, will begin in May. | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
Our business correspondent Ben Thompson reports. | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
Buying train tickets is notoriously complicated and confusing for many | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
so now the Government is to trial a new, simpler system, | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
one that should make it easier to find the cheapest fares. | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
The new trial will begin in May this year on trains between London, | :03:48. | :03:49. | |
It will reduce the number of confusing ticket options. | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
The rail delivery group, which represents train operators, | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
says the changes will mean passengers are offered the best | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
price every time regardless of whether they book | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
It's quite complicated to find which place to buy them | :04:03. | :04:12. | |
A wide range from ?10 to ?76 for the journey I do. | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
It is quite confusing to know which ones to take, especially like, | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
The trial should put an end to what's known as split ticketing, | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
where passengers divide their journey into single shorter | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
Out of date options and discounts will also be removed | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
The clearer ticket vending machines will never replace | :04:36. | :04:44. | |
trained, helpful members of staff, so we need to make sure that train | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
companies ensure that ticket offices remain open and that there are staff | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
there who can talk you through the different options, | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
The train companies themselves have welcomed the trial, | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
blaming government rules built up over decades for stopping them | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
But critics say the trial doesn't go far enough after above inflation | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
price rises came into force in January alongside strikes | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
and delays affecting many parts of the rail network. | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
Donald Trump has nominated a conservative judge from Colorado, | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
Neil Gorsuch, to fill a vacancy on the US Supreme Court. | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
If confirmed, the 49-year-old will become the youngest person | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
to fill the position in a quarter of a century. | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
Some Democrats have said they will oppose the choice | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
because of his attitudes towards womens' and workers' rights. | :05:34. | :05:41. | |
The system for recovering cash from overseas patients who use | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
the NHS is "chaotic" and ministers should "get a grip" on the issue, | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
The Public Accounts Committee is calling for more to be done | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
by the NHS to charge people from overseas. | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
The Department of Health says the amount recovered from foreign | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
countries has more than trebled in three years. | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
Police say a 16-year-old Vietnamese boy has been found hiding | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
in bushes in Dumbarton after escaping from traffickers. | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
The teenager is thought to have been trafficked to Russia before | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
He was found near Overtoun House in Dumbarton by a member | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
Police are appealing for information. | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :06:20. | :06:20. | |
Thank you very much. Overwhelmed with the messages for | :06:21. | :06:33. | |
Chelsea Cameron. Sarah says what an amazing young woman and a shining | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
example of positivity and hope to share with others. Another viewer | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
says, "Please hug this mature young woman from me. She amazed me with | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
her attitude towards life." Joanne says, "I'm moved to tears. Chelsea, | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
you are a wonderful, inspirational young woman." There are reams and | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
reams of these. Thank you very, very much for those. If you're getting in | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
touch, use the hashtag Victoria Live. | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
Antonio Conte said he was "proud" of his Chelsea players, | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
for the "personality" they showed against Liverpool at Anfield. | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
The 1-1 draw left Chelsea nine points clear at the top | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
They went ahead at Anfield, through a David Luiz free-kick. | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
Georginio Wijnaldum equalised for Liverpool. | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
Diego Costa had the chance to give them an even bigger cushion, | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
important to draw against a really good team. But it's important to | :07:34. | :07:53. | |
continue this way and to try to increase our points in the stable | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
and it is important to see ourselves. | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
With Chelsea dropping points, Arsenal could | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
have narrowed the gap, but their title challenge | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
They were beaten 2-1 at home to Watford. | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
Younes Kaboul and Troy Deeney scoring | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
Arsenal are third, level on points with Tottenham, | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
The title, you can only have a chance if you win your games. So | :08:18. | :08:34. | |
let's respond well. Before the game I knew and we prepared the game in a | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
conscientious way, but we have to learn from tonight and respond well. | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Hull City's Ryan Mason says he's "lucky to be alive" | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
Mason fractured his skull in a challenge with Chelsea defender | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
Gary Cahill and had surgery the same night. | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
He's not put a time-frame on his recovery but has thanked | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
everyone for the "overwhelming support" given to him | :08:56. | :08:56. | |
The funeral of former England manager Graham Taylor will take | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
place later in Watford, home of the club where he enjoyed | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
Taylor died last month at the age of 72. | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
Thousands are expected to turn out and pay their respects | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
England's cricketers will be looking to finish a disappointing winter | :09:13. | :09:20. | |
Their last chance to win a series rests in Bangalore, | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
Despite losing the Test and One Day Series, Joe Root believes | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
We've got a lot in place to make us a very formidable side especially in | :09:31. | :09:42. | |
Twenty20 cricket because we've proven we can perform at that level | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
and across the others as well. We are building forward and making | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
massive strides in one day cricket especially with the bat, scoring | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
huge totals and we are finding our feet in Test cricket. So, it is a | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
very interesting and entertaining time to be playing in international | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
sport for England. And Lord Coe has been asked to meet | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
MPs again after emails seem to confirm that he did know | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
the details of doping allegations in athletics, four months | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
before they became public. Coe had told a Parliamentary Select | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
Committee that he was unaware of the specifics | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
of the Russian doping scandal. That's all for now. I will have the | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
headlines at 10.30am. Good morning, welcome to the | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
programme. Now, it's a side of | :10:27. | :10:37. | |
America you rarely see - it's hidden in the poverty | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
of the inner cities - children forced into commercial | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
sexual exploitation. Research last year suggested | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
thousands of girls under the age of 18 are forced to sell themselves | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
on the streets of the US. Last night Police in Los Angeles | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
announced the results of their biggest ever operation | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
to find these young people. They made almost 500 arrests | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
and rescued more than 50 Our correspondent Angus Crawford | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
was given exclusive access and spent This report does contain | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
upsetting scenes, so if you have children in the room | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
and you don't want them to watch, We find minors every day that | :11:10. | :11:18. | |
were out here working. We had them as young as 11 | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
and all the way to 17. 11 is the youngest | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
that we had though. And she was being forced | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
to sell herself... On the street they call "the Blade", | :11:29. | :11:30. | |
in the richest country in the world, children are bought and sold at any | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
time of day, every day. We're looking for people | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
hiding in the shadows. And you'll see, often | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
times you'll see girls in the shadows in the corners, | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
and they're looking at the motorists in the cars | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
and looking to see if there This is South Central, | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
one of the poorest, toughest Sergeant Brian Gallagher | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
heads the area Vice Unit. A car approached her, | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
she is again moving, His job tonight, find those girls, | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
get them off the street. Stopped at Imperial | :12:08. | :12:17. | |
in the McDonald's parking lot. Uniformed officers have followed | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
a car and forced it to stop. It's four o'clock in the morning | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
and a routine patrol of the vice squad here has pulled over a car | :12:25. | :12:34. | |
driven by a man they know is a pimp. When they stopped it, | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
a young woman got out of the car The police fear she's | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
being exploited. They call them Romeo pimps, | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
it's kind of like a dating "Hey, I need you to do | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
this for us so we get a little bit more money and we can have a life | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
and live happily ever after". The tattoos on her leg | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
and neck are a giveaway. She's been branded with | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
the name of her pimp. Almost all the girls have | :13:07. | :13:08. | |
been marked like this. Police gently start to tease out | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
the information they need. It turns out she's been reported | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
missing by her parents. Officers hope they can | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
persuade her to leave My cousin grabbed me | :13:18. | :13:18. | |
and the way home from school. Next thing I know I'm | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
in a different city. America is slowly waking up | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
to the reality that thousands of children across the US | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
are being sexually I was actually groomed | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
from a very young girl. And at one point in my life | :13:34. | :13:45. | |
I thought that this is as good Put to work on the street | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
from the age of 11, now she helps You know, our kids are being picked | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
off left and right. To be bought and sold | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
and to make someone else money, it's kind of like our kids are seen | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
as something to sell, They're not seen as human beings, | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
like, this is, this is something that is actually taking over | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
the United States very rapidly. Which is why California has launched | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
this State-wide operation, the biggest of its kind ever | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
to take place here. So far they've arrested hundreds | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
of adult prostitutes but their real aim is to find the children | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
who are forced to And when they find them, | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
they treat them very differently. They're arrested like all | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
the others and taken But they don't end up | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
in a cell, instead they are No bars, no locks, it's a place | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
of safety with specially trained The soft room is really | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
to put the victim at ease. Make them understand | :14:56. | :15:06. | |
that we are treating them as a victim and not as a suspect | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
and that anything they did tonight was not going to be treated | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
as a crime and what we really want to do is save them, | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
bring them to a safe environment so they can get the resources | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
they need and we can also get to the bottom of who is doing this | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
to them so we can bring that So this is about help, | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
not punishment? We ride along with another | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
Vice Unit, this time in Compton, once notorious for drugs | :15:30. | :15:37. | |
and gang violence. On the main street in broad | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
daylight women are already Here police, social workers | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
and anti-trafficking Some of the women are | :15:43. | :15:54. | |
released with a warning. Others, multiple offenders, | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
are taken to jail. In a holding area they come | :16:00. | :16:10. | |
face-to-face with their customers, A deliberate tactic, | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
shame used as a powerful deterrent. Few of the women though | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
are able to leave the life. Just 18, caught for | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
a second time, Treasure. She started on the street | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
in middle school. Somebody pulled a knife out on me, | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
a gun, tried to rob me. Those are just a few things | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
that happened to me. But you were a child | :16:33. | :16:34. | |
when you first started doing this? Crystal is in for an | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
unpleasant surprise. Prostitutes openly advertise online, | :16:38. | :17:03. | |
some are children, even They are setting up | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
a sting in a hotel room. The undercover officer | :17:08. | :17:22. | |
will be in one room. While next door an entire | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
team is getting ready. When the officer has the proof | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
he needs, they go in. Police Department, turn | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
around and keep your hands This is the only thing | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
I can do to survive I'm a father, you know, | :17:39. | :18:03. | |
and you have a heart If you don't you're | :18:04. | :18:18. | |
in the wrong profession. Police Department, | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
LAPD, stand up for me. It is often young, vulnerable people | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
that are pulled into this lifestyle. I hope and believe that in time | :18:28. | :18:40. | |
that this will get better. In South Central, on the Blade, it's | :18:41. | :18:50. | |
the final night of the operation. It's cold, but the prostitutes | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
are still working. Forced to bring money | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
to their pimp everyday. Forced to bring money | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
to their pimp every day. Continuing westbound, | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
through Denver, it looks Despite years of experience, | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
Brian Gallagher is still What alarms me is how big | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
the problem is and how little people In fact, even us as law enforcement, | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
how little we know about how big This is like crack | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
cocaine in the 80s. Young girls being sold out here, | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
the difference between a young girl and crack cocaine is she can be sold | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
10 times in one night, a piece During the three days | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
police across the state As the sun comes up, | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
the work seems never-ending. Children forced to work the streets | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
turn into women who know only this, Could a computer be able to read | :19:49. | :19:59. | |
the mind of a patient in a locked-in state - | :20:00. | :20:24. | |
conscious,, aware of everything that's going on around them, | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
but unable to communicate, A group of scientists in Switzerland | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
believe they have achieved this by measuring the blood flow | :20:29. | :20:40. | |
in the brain of four patients when they were asked a series | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
of basic yes or no qtns. when they were asked a series | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
of basic yes or no questions. One man was able to refuse | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
permission for his The patients when asked | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
if they were happy - I can be sure by asking them several | :20:56. | :21:13. | |
hundreds of questions when I and the family know the answer, like trivial | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
questions. London is the capital of France or England? I ask them | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
hundreds of questions of this kind and where we know the answer and | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
when the patient is able to give the answer in 70% of the cases | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
correctly, I can ask them, are you happy? Are you happy with life, do | :21:38. | :21:38. | |
Are you happy with life, do you have pain? | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
In 2010, Kate Allatt became "locked-in" | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
She's now a motivational speaker, stroke activist and author, | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
Nice to see you again, how are you? Very good. How are you? Very good. | :21:52. | :22:06. | |
Tell us about being locked in after a stroke. I had a stroke at 39 and | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
when it happened it was like a pneumatic drill going through my | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
head. It was so loud. It was not painful, but the noise was horrific. | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
I was taken to hospital and put in a coma for three days. When I woke I | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
could not move a single muscle. I was drowsy and so on, but within | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
days I became aware of myself and my environment, so I knew what was | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
going on around me, but I could not communicate to anybody around me | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
through a digit or a blink or nothing. I was in that state for two | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
weeks. What is it like? You can hear everything and are aware of | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
everything and you can contribute? It is absolutely horrendous. We have | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
seen films about having conversations about people turning | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
life-support machines. People and people talking about you as if you | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
are not there. Very fearful about what is happening with the life | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
machine and whether it will be turned off. The leg cramps, the | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
board, the anxiety, missing my kids. It was terrible. The reason it | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
changed for me was my friends used to come and visit me and if my head | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
was pointed towards the door, I saw them visiting me and I used to weep | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
the silent tears. They knew before even the doctors did, who thought I | :23:36. | :23:44. | |
was vegetative, that I was not. In fact, it is estimated that 20-40% of | :23:45. | :23:52. | |
patients are considered vegetative and misdiagnosed. Anyway, they came | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
in and cobbled together a letter board and they said to me with the | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
very small blink that I had, blink once for no and twice for yes. It | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
was very slight. One was pointing and one was writing down. The very | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
first word I spelt out which took 20 minutes was sleep. My very | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
perceptive friend Jackie said, cannot sleep? I blinked twice. . | :24:18. | :24:29. | |
Then she said, at night? I blinked twice. I was still locked in, I had | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
to live like that for five months, but at that point my world open and | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
I did not have to live in my own body alone any more. If you put | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
together every Christmas, every birthday and the moment you hold | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
your first newborn, that is how euphoric I was. It was unbelievable. | :24:50. | :24:57. | |
That is an incredible description. We can only imagine for these four | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
patients were scientists have looked at the activity of their brain cells | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
and realised the oxygen levels in their blood to change the colour of | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
the blood, they peered into their brain to detect the blood plasma | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
colour and asked them the questions and worked out from the change of | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
the colour whether they were saying yes or no. I think this technology | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
is phenomenal. It is a basic human right for quality of life for any | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
person, anywhere, whether they are locked in for two weeks, 20 years, a | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
month, whatever, to be able to communicate and not to be assumed to | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
be vegetative because it is more convenient. It is terrible not being | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
able to communicate when you can understand everything going on | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
around you. I think this technology and the technology of Doctor Owens | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
in Ontario about brain Mapping through a cap for people like this | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
is phenomenally important. It is absolutely essential. Tell our | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
audience how you have managed to come back from that stroke being | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
locked in and your general recovery. I can tell you I am not a medic and | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
a lot of people scratched their heads when they looked at my scans | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
and where I have come from until now. I have never given up. I am not | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
saying I tackle like this positively in every respect of my life, but I | :26:31. | :26:39. | |
was written off and I worked so hard intensively, frequently, | :26:40. | :26:40. | |
repetitively, even before I knew that theory on it. I used to | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
obsessively 300 times a day practice moving my digits more. It was such | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
an obsession. I was a 70 miles a week fell runner and I was used to | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
hard work. I had rehab and the support of my family, but beyond | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
that I had some very big luck, which was a game changer for me. But I was | :27:06. | :27:13. | |
in rehab and they described me as someone who pushed them harder than | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
they pushed me. That is quite telling from a rehab unit. Kate, | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
thank you so much and thank you for coming on the programme. It is | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
really good seeing you looking so well. Thank you and good luck to you | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
Thank you and good luck to you as well. | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
On Monday we're holding a special programme looking | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
We'll be looking at the problems it's facing and asking | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
If you work in the NHS, a doctor, a nurse or a consultant, | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
or you're a patient with recent experience, we'd love you to take | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
It's in central London on Monday February 6th. | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
to register your interest and one of our team will be in touch. | :27:49. | :27:57. | |
The parents of missing toddler Madeleine McCann say | :27:58. | :27:59. | |
they're disappointed that Portugal's Supreme Court has thrown | :28:00. | :28:01. | |
out their libel case against a former detective. | :28:02. | :28:11. | |
Goncalo Amaral had published a book alleging the couple were involved | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
in their daughter's disappearance during a family holiday in 2007. | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
The court's ruled the allegations are protected by freedom | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
of expression laws, and aren't abusive. | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
Let's speak to Brendan De Beer works for the Portugal news and has been | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
covering the disappearance of Madeleine McCann | :28:29. | :28:29. | |
What does this ruling mean? Well, it finally puts that case to rest I | :28:30. | :28:45. | |
guess. It has been ongoing for some time. Being a Supreme Court ruling, | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
that is the final ruling in the matter. There are suggestions this | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
morning in Portugal that Goncalo Amaral might consider lodging a | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
counterclaim against Kate and Gerry McCann, saying he suffered losses as | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
a result of the litigation over the years. This was something mentioned | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
by his lawyer in 2015 when they won the initial review. That could be | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
potentially where we go next in this case. We know that the former | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
detective had to pay Kate and Gerry McCann something like 12 million | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
euros, ?1 million. Does that mean they will have to pay him back or | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
what? As far as I know, I do not think money has changed hands yet. I | :29:33. | :29:39. | |
do not think with all this going on in the courts and every appeal that | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
has been lodged, I do not think the ruling was definitive. As it stands | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
now I do not think any money needs to be paid back to him. However, he | :29:49. | :29:57. | |
might lodge a counterclaim. Financially it could be pretty | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
ruinous for the McCann family? Yes, but we have seen with this | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
particular ruling now that the Portuguese chords are pretty | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
reluctant when it comes to making settlements and damage claims. | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
Several other cases in Portugal, the amounts very seldom are extremely | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
high. In the UK you are accustomed to getting huge pay-outs. In | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
Portugal that is not customary. I guess the value of money perhaps is | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
a bit higher and what might be considered a huge sum, a small sum | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
in the UK, is considered a big one here, so I do not think it is | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
potentially ruinous. It could maybe be five or six figures. I am sure | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
that is what the claim could be for, but whether or not that happens is a | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
different story. Thank you very much. | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
A chronic shortage of prison officers. | :30:55. | :31:10. | |
All this is revealed after an inspection at Exeter Prison. | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
We'll speak to an officer who spent two weeks inside the prison. | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
Train operators are going to radically overhaul what they say | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
We'll find out what it could mean for passengers. | :31:19. | :31:27. | |
With the news, here's Joanna Gosling in the BBC Newsroom. | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
MPs vote tonight on legislation that would allow the government | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
to trigger Article 50, starting the process | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
It would see the start of two years of formal negotiations | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
The Government is expected to win the vote, despite opposition | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
Train operators have promised to overhaul what they say | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
Trials aimed at making it easier for passengers to find the cheapest | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
The first routes affected will include CrossCountry, | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Virgin Trains' east and west coast services and East Midlands. | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
President Trump has called on the US Senate to speedily approve | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
Neil Gorsuch's nomination to the vacant seat | :32:07. | :32:07. | |
If confirmed, the 49-year-old will become the youngest person | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
to fill the position in a quarter of a century. | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
Democratic senators have raised questions about his attitudes | :32:16. | :32:16. | |
A Tunisian man has been arrested in Germany suspected of recruiting for | :32:17. | :32:38. | |
Islamic State. The man was arrested in Frankfurt where he is alleged to | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
have led an IS cell that was planning an attack in the country. | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
Chelsea have extended their lead at the top of the Premier League | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
David Luiz put them ahead at Anfield although Liverpool equalised | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
Antonio Conte's side are now nine points clear after their closest | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
Hull City's Ryan Mason says he's "lucky to be alive" | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
Mason fractured his skull in a challenge with Chelsea | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
He has thanked everyone for the "overwhelming support" given | :33:17. | :33:23. | |
England's cricketers will be looking to finish a disappointing winter | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
Their last hope of a series win lies with the final T20 in Bangalore | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
after they lost the Test and One Day series. | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
And Lord Coe has been asked to meet MPs again after e-mails seem | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
to confirm he DID know the details of doping allegations | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
in athletics, four months before they became public. | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
Coe says he was not aware of the specifics. | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
Staff unrest and a chronic shortage of prison officers. | :33:49. | :34:13. | |
All this is revealed after an inspection at Exeter Prison. | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
It comes after recent disturbances at Lewes, Bedford, | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
Birmingham and Swaleside prisons, and a record number of prison | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
The Government has promised more than ?100 million | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
for 2,500 more officers, the Chief Inspector of Prisons' | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
verdict is that the situation at Exeter isn't going to get better | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
Let's talk to Mark Fairhurst from the Prison | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
In the last two weeks he has spent time in Exeter Prison to compile | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
a report into health and safety there. | :34:42. | :34:43. | |
Andrew Neilson is from The Howard League, | :34:44. | :34:44. | |
So how bad was it, Mark? Well, I'm pleased to announce that Exeter has | :34:45. | :34:53. | |
turn the corner since that inspection in August 2015. I'd like | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
to commend the staff and indeed the management for the effort they've | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
put into that. When I visited the regime was stable. They had an | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
excellent violence reduction project in place and they were doing the | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
best they could with the resources that were available. So everything | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
is fine at Exeter jail, you say now? Well, it is not fine. They still | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
have their difficulties. It's quite obvious when you walk around that | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
there is a chronic shortage of staff. They're due to get 13 new | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
staff in the next couple of weeks, but they need more if they're going | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
to provide a constructive regime for prisoners. OK. You say they've | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
turned, you're pleased to announce they have turned things around since | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
that inspection in 2015. There have been ten suicides in the last three | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
years at Exeter jail. They have not really turned things around, have | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
they? What happened at Exeter echoes what is happening throughout the | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
entire prison estate. So they haven't turned things around? | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
Suicides are at their highest level throughout the estate, as were | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
assaults on staff. The only way you're going to fix that is by | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
recruiting more staff and giving staff the tools they need to do the | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
job and keep themselves safe. I understand, but they haven't turned | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
things around then? Well, they have since that inspection because the | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
regime was stable. Relationships with prisoners were very good and | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
they were taking swift action whenever there was violence against | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
staff on the landings. Why did ten people die then? Why were ten people | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
able to take their own lives? Well, unfortunately, as in Exeter, with | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
the rest of the estate, we haven't got the staff to care for the | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
vulnerable who are presenting themselves with mental health | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
problems. You know, we want to sit down with them. We want to care for | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
them, but we simply haven't got the resource to do that. Andrew, do you | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
accept that things have turned a corner at Exeter jail? I haven't | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
been at Exeter recently. But I'm prepared to accept that things have | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
improved. One of the most concerning things about the report is | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
inspectorate were expressing a lack of confidence that things could | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
improve and what is concerning about that is as you say, people have | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
taken their own lives and that means lives are at stake. Things have to | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
improve. Exeter is in many ways a typical local prison, overcrowded, | :37:23. | :37:24. | |
facing a transient population of prisoners in and out, going to the | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
courts, but at the same time, inspectors did find that the | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
problems it was facing at the time of the inspection were worse than | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
comparable prisons. But on another level, it is a typical prison and | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
the problems are across the prison estate. They are systemic, I don't | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
think they are a responsibility of any one particular staff group. We | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
need to look at the system as a whole and solutions that can provide | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
an answer to this. Something which you have been campaigning on for as | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
long as I can remember, decades. Are you failing? Well, I think the | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
Howard League is getting its message through louder than we have in many | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
years because of all the stories that we have seen in the media that | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
you alluded, the riots and disturbances and the escapes, the | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
deaths, prisons are regularly in the news and regularly, I think higher | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
up on the political agenda than they were. But what reform have you | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
achieved? Well, we have achieved reform on particular groups, | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
children for example, the number of children in prison reduced by | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
two-thirds in recent years. But the number of adults remains very high | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
and I think it is true that we need more staff and resources that | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
supplying is one side of this, but the other side is demand and that's | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
the number of people we're putting in prisons like Exeter, a prison | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
designed to hold about 320 prisoners is actually holding under 500. When | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
you put that kind of pressure alongside problems with staffing and | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
resources, then you're going to get these huge problems. It is a toxic | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
cocktail. Thank you very much. Thank you. | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
We've received a statement from the Ministry of Justice | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
which says, "The Chief Inspector has highlighted the dedication | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
of managers and staff at HMP Exeter who have been working hard | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
to provide a decent regime despite considerable | :39:20. | :39:20. | |
I'm confident that together with these extra resources | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
the governor will be able to fully address the recommendations in this | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
report and significantly improve the performance of the prison". | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
Another chance to hear some of 18-year-old Chelsea' Cameron's | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
letter to her drug addicted parents. Thank you for not being there during | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
her childhood. She told us this morning that although there was no | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
such thing as normality when she was growing up, her parents absence has | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
given her the strength to really make something of her life. | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
So we'll play you another extract before the end of the programme. | :39:59. | :40:08. | |
Frank Rosier, a World War Two veteran who took | :40:09. | :40:10. | |
part in the Dday landings more than 70 years ago, has died. | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
The 91-year-old, who served as an infantryman with the 2nd | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment, was in the second wave | :40:17. | :40:17. | |
On Armistice Day in 2015, Frank came on the programme | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
and shared some of his memories with Joanna and explained | :40:22. | :40:23. | |
why Armistice day was so important to him. | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
My generation, you could say, are the last link with | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
the First World War veterans because it was our dads | :40:29. | :40:30. | |
I have very vivid memories of my two uncles who both lost a leg | :40:31. | :40:40. | |
and my own dad who was wounded in the war in the ankle. | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
I remember them quite a lot and I also remember the lads that | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
They were very young boys and I still never forget those | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
So Remembrance Day, 11/11, is very important to me. | :40:51. | :40:59. | |
One story that is never really told is that by 1942 we were a small | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
nation population wise and we were running out of men, | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
so they lowered the recruiting age to 17 and a quarter. | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
That is where everybody at that age volunteered. | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
I would go as far as to say more than half the Armed Forces in those | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
Consequently, we volunteered at 17 and a quarter and then | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
after training, by the time we got to D-Day, the eldest among us | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
And to think that really we got through it, and I had many instances | :41:25. | :41:35. | |
of the comradeship with the fellows that I was with, | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
we helped one another, and the British Army, | :41:45. | :41:46. | |
I don't know if these boys agree with me, had a wonderful | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
The ability to laugh at situations gets you out of trouble | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
But leaving those young boys, there are 14 of my platoon | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
who lie in the cemetery, and I go over there and I still cry | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
because I live the life they never had. | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
The youngest was 19 and the eldest was 24. | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
But quite a lot were in the infantry platoon who did not survive the war. | :42:05. | :42:23. | |
Very few of us got through the war unhurt. | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
Many were wounded and went back again. | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
There is a lot to think about these days. | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
Also I spent four years in hospital in the plastic surgery unit | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
and I always think of those lads who I was with. | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
The same age, who lost two legs, they were badly burned. | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
I do not know if the others agree with me, there | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
Frank Rosier, veteran of the D-Day landings, speaking to us in 2015. | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
Frank has, sadly, died at the age of 91. | :43:03. | :43:10. | |
Many of you who travel by rail regularly will | :43:11. | :43:12. | |
Train operators have finally promised to overhaul | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
the ticketing system, which even they admit is "baffling" | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
They'll start trials of a new system in May, | :43:19. | :43:29. | |
to simplify things and make sure you pay the cheapest possible | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
Anthony Smith is the Chief Executive of the independent watchdog | :43:33. | :43:44. | |
Tell us about the situation now? Fares have built up through | :43:45. | :43:52. | |
privatisation and things have been added on top of each other. It | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
turned into a topsy-turvy mess. Have you got any ludicrous examples? You | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
can find fare ifs you book through the train ticket line and if you do | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
a split ticket, the break the journey into different parts and you | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
can reduce the fare. Passengers are baffled, so hopefully this morning | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
we're seeing the start of a rail ticketing revolution. I wonder what | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
they will do so we always know that we're getting the cheapest fare | :44:18. | :44:19. | |
then? It is about information. So you can make an informed choice, if | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
you have got clear information in front of you and you can see that's | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
the cheapest fare, that is the restriction that is go with it, if | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
you can only use it on one train or something, but these are pilots so | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
we will be watching carefully what happens in the pilots. Right, OK. | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
Why hasn't it happened before now? It is a such a big one. It is one of | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
those issues that nobody had the courage to tackle because it got so | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
big and the situation has got so bad, the Government, the train | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
companies, everyone recognises that we have got to have a go at this and | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
sort it out. What are you an independent watchdog of? We look | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
after the interests rail passengers and road passengers and bus | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
passengers, our views are heard. Have you had success? We have had | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
lots of you can ses in improving the way that penalty fares are imposed | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
on passengers and we have got this review on the table. Years of | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
pressure, years of lobbying, years of research and finding out what | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
passengers really think led to this day. So it is good. I mean, I might | :45:21. | :45:27. | |
be wrong, I might be being too cynical, it is not going to end up | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
denting the private identitiesed rail companies profits, is it? | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
They're not going to make it, so they don't make as much money? No, | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
that's a good point. Nobody will want the rail industry to be losing | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
money, therefore, there will be win, and there will be losers in these | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
types of trial and we've got to watch carefully because there are | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
Government regulations built into this which are old-fashioned and | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
they don't really work anymore, but they provide a basic level of | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
protection. We don't want to sweep that away without us knowing what's | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
happening. We don't want to leap in the dark. | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
There are some amazing routes, we get on the train and see why can't | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
the rest of the system be like this and there are shockers. If you judge | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
a country by its railway system, how would you describe Britain? It is | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
good in parts. Long-distance services, people really like them. | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
People who can get hold of advance purchase tickets, they can be good | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
value for money. For your average commuter, it doesn't feel like good | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
value. A lot of investment is being made, but that's causing pain as | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
stations are rebuilt and the track is redone. It feels like not very | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
good value for money at the moment. A word with Stephen Hammond, hello. | :46:36. | :46:44. | |
It has been true for a while back if you knew how to negotiate the | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
system, you would find the best fares. But this is good news for the | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
consumer who will know the fair they are being offered is the best fare. | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
However, the devil will be in the detail. Why has it taken so long? | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
They have done a number of things over the last few years to simplify | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
the system, but not enough. They have made presentation easier, but | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
not enough. This is the government saying and the rail companies | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
agreeing to ensure that the consumer gets a better deal, that it is | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
obvious and in front of them. They are not in it to lose money? There | :47:28. | :47:35. | |
is a group of fares on which they lose money already, regulated fares | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
that go up every year. The real problem is Network Rail and unless | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
the government bears down on those costs, that then can be passed | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
through to the consumer and that is the real task. I know it was last | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
minute, but we appreciate it. Stephen Hammond and Anthony Smith. | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
We've had loads of responses to an interview we did earlier | :47:59. | :48:09. | |
She's 18 and has written an open letter to her parents - | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
both drug addicts - about how they missed all those | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
The letter is a thank you letter thanking them for making her choose | :48:18. | :48:31. | |
the right path, as she put it, for not getting into drugs, for seeing | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
what a lack of ambition can do to your life and how harmful it can be. | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
She read most of the open letter on the programme a little earlier and | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
because of the response from you, we thought we would play a bit of it | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
again. Thank you for teaching me to be ambitious. Your example showed me | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
that no ambition for education, work or success is harmful and it leads | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
to a lot of self worth. Your example showed me life is about choices and | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
I did not need to make the same ones you did. Remember when we forced dad | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
into watching Hannah Montana? There is a line in one of the songs that | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
says, life is what you make it, so let's make it rock. Life has turned | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
out for me what I have chosen to make it. Thank you for teaching me | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
to not be so easily embarrassed. You both have not made the best of | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
choices, they have gone pretty public, allowing everyone I | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
associate with to know what you are both like. That has given me the | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
opportunity to speak freely and openly about who I am and how my | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
life has been growing up. Up until my third year of high school I had | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
an alter ego. People did not need to know the circumstances I was in and | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
if they found out, I would die on the spot because I made myself | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
something I was not. The thing that kept me sane was thinking people did | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
not know the truth. They probably did, but I brainwashed myself into | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
thinking they did not. Thank you for teaching me life is unfair, people | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
disappoint you and there is nothing you can do about that, a lesson well | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
learned from both of you. Tag you for not being there to wave goodbye | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
as I'd jetted off to Uganda on a trip of a lifetime. Thank you for | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
not being there when I got my exam results. At you for not being there | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
when I got the position of head girl, thank you for not being there | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
when I stood in front of hundreds of people to speak at my prizegiving. | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
Thank you for not being there when I needed you. You have given me the | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
greatest lesson of how to be independent. You allowed me to be a | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
more tolerant and independent person I ever imagined. Dad, I hope you | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
have a greater insight into the type of person I am and the things you | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
have taught me. Ma'am, I hope you also know me a bit better now and | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
know I am trying to be a good person and always will. I hope one day you | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
will wake up and realise there is so much more that the world has to | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
offer you and when that day comes, please come to find me so we can | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
enjoy life together. I will show you some nice restaurants and if you are | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
lucky I will take you to Germany one day and until then I hope you | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
realise what life might be like with parents to enjoy it with. Wow, that | :51:28. | :51:37. | |
is really powerful and very moving. What is really upsetting is you say | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
life is not sunshine and rainbows. We know that, but you know it at | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
such a young age. That makes me very sad. There are lots of negative | :51:48. | :51:54. | |
things that come into people's lives not through their own circumstances, | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
and what I wanted to do was to show people they can choose positivity no | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
matter their circumstances, choose to have joy in their life no matter | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
what happens. Society sometimes tells you what your fate is. If your | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
parents live a certain way, what if you let a certain lifestyle, it is | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
destined to live like that. My hope is to show other young people they | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
can choose exactly how they want their life to be. They can choose | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
joy, happiness and positivity no matter what the circumstances. What | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
kind of response have you had? Incredible responses, so many people | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
have contacted me in similar situations who have said, this has | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
really helped me, I have been in the same situation, it has made me | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
realise it is OK to talk about how you feel and to know they do not | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
have to fall into that pathway. Not just with drugs, a lot of people | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
have contacted me with any negative situation they have had and it has | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
made them realise you can choose to be positive. Just because something | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
negative has happened in your life, that doesn't determine your attitude | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
and you can be positive and happy. Is it young people, kids, | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
middle-aged people? I have had a lot of different people, a lot of young | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
people and older people who did not know my circumstances be for. Or | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
people who had known my parents and they have really reached out to | :53:28. | :53:34. | |
support me and allowed me to know I have helped someone by sharing the | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
letter as well, which was my desire. You talk about the period of time | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
when you felt you had to hide what was going on at home. Absolutely. As | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
a young person you are very easily embarrassed and you want to try and | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
be this person who seems perfect and your life is perfect and everything | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
flows nicely and no one needs to know anything negative about your | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
life. I kept that persona for a long time and bottle it up. I felt like I | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
wanted to share the letter because it was time for me to speak about | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
how I felt and to tell others it was time for them to speak about how | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
they felt as well. Although I might not know them, they can come to me | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
for any advice they might need as a friend for support. At 14, in the | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
middle of high school, you stop living with your parents. Where did | :54:30. | :54:36. | |
you go? I lived with various family members and friends. That was on the | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
recommendation of social workers. Yes. What did they say? They said my | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
dad was not able to care for us any more and he was in a bad place with | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
his difficulties and it was better for my brother and I to move away | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
from that. I had continuous support from family and friends who loved me | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
so much and took me in and they have shown me a level of care that was | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
not necessary for them to give me, that my parents would have given me, | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
but they have continued to support me which I am extremely grateful | :55:11. | :55:17. | |
for. Chelsea Cameron. You can watch the full 15 minutes interview with | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
her again and share it by going to our programme page. Get that share | :55:21. | :55:34. | |
on Facebook, Twitter and everywhere. So many messages from you. | :55:35. | :55:35. | |
E-mail from Yvonne, "Chelsea is an amazing young woman. | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
I would be proud to call her my daughter. | :55:40. | :55:41. | |
I wish her every success in her life". | :55:42. | :55:43. | |
E-mail from Margaret, "I've never responded to a TV | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
programme before but wow what a fantastic positive role model | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
I wish the very best future for you Chelsea. | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
What a fantastic, positive role model says John. Pat, I am so | :55:54. | :56:08. | |
impressed and deeply moved by the bravery, courage and compassion | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
shown by this lovely young women. My own family has been affected by the | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
nightmare which drug addiction brings. It is hard to have a normal | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
life when one of your family has to face each addicted today. Thank you, | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
Chelsea, not only because your family still have your love, but | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
because of the young people who might turn to the relief of drug use | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
which could so quickly turn to a life without opportunity, a life | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
outside normal society, a life of shame and pain. What a girl, God | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
bless her. This is from Helen. Like the rest of your audience I was | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
blown away by Chelsea Cameron. She is a total inspiration. I am | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
currently writing a musical with two award-winning script writers about | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
another inspirational, real-life character. I am a composer and | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
songwriter. But I would like to dedicate one of the songs from it to | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
the wonderful Chelsea Cameron. How amazing is that? Helen, we could not | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
get in touch with you to talk on the programme. That is an amazing idea, | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
we will make sure that Chelsea knows what you want to do. That is | :57:22. | :57:23. | |
fantastic. On Monday we are going to look at | :57:24. | :57:37. | |
the NHS and look at all the issues it is facing right now and look at | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
your help for solutions. If you work in the NHS, whatever role at all, or | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
have recently been treated on the NHS, or someone you know has, we | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
would love you to take part in the programme. It is in London this | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
Monday on February the 6th. E-mail us to let us know you are interested | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
in coming along and we will be in touch. Thank you for your company. | :58:04. | :58:05. | |
Have a good day. To be in the Lords, | :58:06. | :58:32. | |
you have to be punctual... Sometimes you really do literally | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
have to slam the door What right do they have to tell | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
me about my fashion sense? Can you now control | :58:39. | :58:47. | |
your bad language? | :58:48. | :58:50. |