03/02/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Theresa May has arrived in Malta where she'll tell EU leaders

that the UK wants a positive and constructive new

Theresa May is here ready to talk about the migration crisis, about

the Trump effect on global politics and of course about Brexit which

throws a pretty long shadow here. Parts of the UK have higher rates

of Tuberculosis than some We'll have a special report

on the disease and find out how mobile treatment units

are being deployed to The symptoms are very painful and

people suffer because they are homeless, it's very uncomfortable.

But I knew I had to do it because if I did not I was going to die.

Televised in 170 countries around the world - it is, for many,

We'll look ahead to Super Bowl 51 and the growing popularity

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Our top story today - Theresa May has arrived in Malta

for an informal one-day summit of EU leaders.

She'll brief European Union leaders on her meeting with Donald Trump,

and is expected to stress that she wants "a positive

and constructive" relationship with the EU after Brexit.

The cannons will welcome the EU leaders to their first Malta summit.

They won't have to look far around the coast

African migrants who mostly reach Europe by boat

They want jobs and documents and a sense of hope.

They're not optimistic they will get them from the EU gathering.

Migration is a major fault line within EU.

The Mediterranean countries want their partners far from these

shores to resettle a share of the migrants.

Experts warn that alternative solutions, like paying African

countries to take migrants back, or trying to stop people

from leaving Libya, will be difficult and dangerous.

If Europe manages to shut down or blockade Libya there will be

a displacement effect to neighbouring countries

and we will see boats departing from other areas.

So on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea,

which has brought so many migrants to Europe, the EU leaders

will talk as they've talked before about migration.

But they will also have their minds on the choppier political waters

ahead, created not just by Brexit but by the turbulent new presidency

Our Europe correspondent Kevin Connolly is at the summit

What sort of day can Theresa May expect? Well, there are a lot of

difficult agendas here, you have the migration crisis, you have the

fallout of Brexit and what that means for the future of the EU, but

I suspect the issue which will take all the oxygen from the others is

the question of the Trump effect on global politics. Lots of European

leaders, most of them in fact, view Donald Trump with horror, he comes

from the tradition of American politics that they do not get the

idea that you can -- cannot have too many guns but you can have too much

government. Theresa May has been to the Donald Trump White House so

we'll be reporting back on what it could mean for Europe. Bringing a

bit of a mixed message on Nato, Donald Trump had talked about Nato

being obsolete, Theresa May will say she has an assurance from Donald

Trump that he's pretty committed to Nato but only if they cut down their

reliance on American guns and American money and start spending a

bit more of their own money on their own defence. She is going to have an

interesting day, leaving in the afternoon, not there for the

afternoon session where they will talk about the European future which

will not include the United Kingdom. Thank you very much Kevin.

To the BBC Newsroom now for a summary of the rest

There's scathing criticism this morning of government plans

A report by the Commons Public Accounts Committee says

there doesn't appear to be any proper co-ordination of efforts

to protect people and electronic systems from online attacks.

Our Home Affairs Correspondent Dominic Casciani reports.

The Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against

A presidential campaign rocked by a hack.

Hillary Clinton's team were targeted in a cyber attack.

The resulting leak of staff personal e-mails was devastating.

But it's not just US politicians who are being embarrassed

This teenager, Daniel Kelly, is awaiting sentencing

in London for a major cyber attack on TalkTalk.

Personal data belonging to almost 160,000 customers was stolen.

Now MPs warn the UK's national efforts to counter these threats

In its report, the powerful Public Accounts Committee says

ministers haven't consolidated an "alphabet soup" of agencies.

They are struggling to find enough people with the right skills

and there's been a chaotic response to personal data breaches,

If something goes wrong it could close down hospitals,

we could have a loss of important data and there are some serious

things that can happen now with the skills of some

Just last October, hospitals across North Lincolnshire

Hundreds of operations cancelled in Grimsby and Scunthorpe

after a computer virus infected their systems.

GCHQ is the heart of the UK's cyber defence.

Ministers have pledged more than ?3 billion to security over

But the MPs warn there is still no detailed plan for a new national

centre which aims to make the UK the safest place online.

An estimated 200,000 protesters have staged a third night

of demonstrations in Romania against a government decree

that decriminalises some types of corruption.

The Prime Minister says he won't withdraw the decree.

Our correspondent Nick Thorpe is in the Romanian capital of Bucharest.

These protests expected to grow over the weekend, remind us of the

background? Yes, a decree was passed on Tuesday night by the new social

Democratic government, only in power for the last month. This decree

would decriminalise some forms of corruption and in practice get out

many politicians who are now in jail for corruption. Romania has a strong

national anti-corruption directorate, they have been very

successful in tackling corruption in high places in the past years and

remaining up perhaps the most successful in all of Eastern Europe.

But there seems to be a feud between the incoming social Democratic

government and the anti-corruption agency. The social Democrats accuse

them of being political, a Republic of prosecutors as a former Prime

Minister called them and are unfairly targeting the social

Democrats. That's the background to it but in practice the government

tried to push this through quickly on Tuesday night in an emergency

decree. It would come into force in ten days' time and huge numbers of

people have come out onto the streets and they claim legitimacy,

the government did not say in their programme they would do this so each

night they are coming out on the streets. Each night is crucial,

large crowds expected tonight, and on Sunday, not just here in

Bucharest but across Romania. Levels of Tuberculosis

are on the rise in parts of the UK, especially amongst vulnerable groups

like the homeless. A special report for this programme

has found that medical teams are having to employ mobile

treatment units in parts of London to try to keep infection

levels under control. The average car insurance premium

has reached a record high of ?462 That's according to the Association

of British Insurers, which says repairs have become more

expensive partly because of cars' increasingly complex electronics,

as well as higher whiplash claims Buying in spare parts is also

getting more expensive, The company that owns the instant

messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public in

the US stock exchange. The valuation will be up to $25

billion. firm, which allows users to send

images that vanish within seconds, is set to be the biggest

company to list shares doubts about the company's

long term profitability. Supermarkets are rationing the sale

of more vegetables to cope with a shortage brought about by bad

weather in Spain. It comes after similar problems

with courgettes a few weeks ago. Tesco is limiting customers

to three iceberg lettuces, and Morrisons is also reported to be

preventing shoppers from buying more Tesco says bad weather in Spain has

caused "availability issues" but that suppliers are working

to resolve the problem. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am. Thank you very much, let us know if

you have had trouble getting hold of your favourite vegetables. Let's

catch up with the sport, excitement building ahead of the opening

matches of the six Nations? Good morning, it's going to be an

interesting next few weeks in rugby union for the tournament which gets

the home nation rivalries going. It begins this weekend, Scotland host

Ireland, England against France and Wales travelling to Italy. Last year

England secured a grand slam, going unbeaten in all of 2016 and will be

favourites this time around. Preparation has been good, I think

the concern is when you prepare so well you can be complacent going

into a game. We have had a really good week this week, rain that

training today which I think there's a good thing, greasy ball, dropped

balls, keeping people on edge. The challenge going into the game is

sharpening the axe mentally. The women's six Nations gets under

tonight as Scotland host Ireland. For England it will be a big year

indeed, they try to defend the Rugby World Cup later in the summer but

captain Sarah Hunter says they are focused on this tournament. It's so

competitive now, we cannot get ahead of ourselves. We will prepare as

best we can, we will take ourselves to Twickenham and put in a

performance we will want to do to get the victory and from there on we

will look ahead to the rest of the competition and then the World Cup

will come around soon enough no doubt. There is coverage across BBC

TV and radio, Ireland going to Murrayfield start things off

tomorrow, all the build up tomorrow from 1:15pm. Also Davis Cup tennis

but no Andy Murray? ? Yes, he will miss the opening rubber against

Canada this weekend which means Dan Evans carries the baton for Team GB,

he is the most improved player in men's tennis up to number 45 in the

world saw plenty of reasons to be positive for captain Leon Smith. We

have really good players, fun of confidence in them, they are all

playing really well here. It's always difficult in the away ties,

you expect the opposition to raise their game in front of a home crowd

so we have to be prepared for that. But these guys are playing very,

very good tennis and are ready for it. Kyle Edmund, Jamie Murray and

Dominic Inglot are the rest of the team, one other piece of good news,

Milos Raonic, the world number four and Canada's strongest player is

also missing so hopefully the absence of Andy Murray will not be

felt too sharply. And Tiger Woods still struggling with his back?

Yes, he has withdrawn from the Dubai desert classic with a bad back, only

his second tour appearance at three operations over the last 19 months.

He said he was not in pain then, the 14 time major winner failed to make

a single birdie, 12 shots off the lead. The problem apparently came on

late last night when he had a spat -- spasm in his lower back.

Some parts of the UK are experiencing outbreaks

of Tuberculosis that are higher than much poorer countries

The problem is particularly acute amongst difficult to treat groups,

Now medical teams are adopting new ways of reaching them

in an attempt to reduce levels of infection.

The latest scientific step towards the detection of tuberculosis is

The subject stands with head up, tilted on a

Tuberculosis, or TB, was a deadly Victorian disease,

known as the white plague at the time.

Despite medical advancements, over the last century it has made a

comeback in the UK, with areas seeing higher infection rates than

Tuberculous this is a bacterial infection.

It mainly affects the lungs, but it can affect any part of

TB in the lungs is spread through inhaling tiny droplets

containing the bacteria from the coughs or sneezes of someone

Hello, Yasmin, this is Johnny, patient number 078.

Johnny Islam is 29, he has a rare type of TB.

It could cause long-term brain damage

He's been taking a cocktail of 12 tablets each day for

He has to record himself taking them and then send

So they know he's sticking to the treatment.

Well, just let me know when the next doctor appointment.

What's it like living with TB in your

It's painful and it's like you cannot think straight when you

know that you can, like, black out at any time.

I am scared to do something on my own.

It can go to any brain cells, which is really risky to have

It's so painful, sometimes I just have to hold it like this.

Trust me, it's like I wish I could drop my

What kind of side effects do you face as

a result of all the medication you have to take?

I'm losing my hair, so I look old now.

And my left leg, it stops working sometimes.

So these sort of thing really make my

One in three people worldwide is infected with latent,

or silent, TB, which means they carry the bacteria but don't have

They could go on to develop active TB if their

There were almost 6000 new cases of active

TB in the UK in 2015, almost 40% of those were in London.

That's why it's called the TB capital of

And some parts of the city have infection rates higher

than developing countries like Iraq, Libya and Yemen.

So this London borough, Tower Hamlets, is one of

In fact, it has some of the worst TB rates in the whole country.

Someone with untreated TB can infect up to

Millions is being invested to try and

eliminate TB as a public health problem in this country.

Recently there's been a fall in overall

cases, but those involving the most at risk and

difficult to treat - like

the homeless, drug users and prisoners - are rising.

And experts are concerned we could see TB

continue to spread among these groups and, ultimately, others.

And that's exactly what this van is trying to stop.

It's a mobile TB clinic which tries to find and

isolate carriers of the disease among the most at risk, before they

People that are homeless, or people on the street,

Usually go to the hospital or that kind of

So coming to this kind of place really helps.

Inside, people are giving a lung x-ray, and within

It's very clear that there is big quite an extensive progression,

This is TB. What kind of symptoms are there of TB? The classic

symptoms of Paul Moloney all TB, TB in DeLong, is cough, weight loss,

night sweats and fever. Unfortunately if you work with

people on the street, many of them rough sleeper and that clinical

presentation is perfectly masked by the lifestyle of living on the

street, which is why we are taking radiology to the street. How often

do you find cases of TB through this? We would swim between three

and 400 people to find a case of active disease. Genderless works

with the service but before that he was battling drink and drugs and

sleeping rough before he was diagnosed with TB in his lungs. I

was very thin, six stone in weight at that time, dying. The symptoms

are very painful and vulnerable people suffer most because they are

homeless, mental health and all this comes into play. Jengis is now clear

of TB. It took a long time because he was resistant to one of the

drugs. I was on treatment for about a year, 12 tablets a day. They did a

lot of tests on me and it was very uncomfortable. But I knew they had

to do it because if they didn't, I was going to die. TB can kill if it

is left untreated. In a few hours around 70 people from the homeless

day centre have been screened. Two had abnormal scans and have been

referred. Are you concerned we may see numbers increase? We are seeing

a doubling in the street population in the last three or four years.

Unfortunately people who are homeless in London are at high risk

of infection, high risk of being exposed to TB because they find

themselves living in confined spaces with people who potentially can have

active and infectious TB. Again, it TB being a social disease, you

cannot imagine getting rid of TB unless you address homelessness, the

two are intrinsically linked. The homeless, drug addicts and prisoners

are amongst the most likely to die from TB. Finding cases is only the

first challenge for this mobile clinic, the next is getting them to

stick to the long treatment. They can often stop midway which can

cause relapse and strains of the bacteria to become resistant to

drugs. That is why the service has pioneered this video observed

treatment, used in some of the most complicated cases like Johnny's. The

first-ever pilot has just finished and it shows almost 90% of patients

on it completed treatment. I'm going to take that. A few weeks after we

spoke to Johnny, we meet him again. He has news about his treatment. I

went to the hospital and spoke to the doctor, we had a handshake and

he was happy, he said, Johnny, you are very lucky, I am glad to tell

you this, and he showed me the image of my rain and I saw it had just

gone, my head is completely clear. He was like, you are free from TB

now. I wanted to scream, but I was like, OK, thank you, Doctor! I will

still be on medication for six months but he said I am glad you are

safe now. You are smiling! I was smiling, like, wow! The video

observed treatment Johnny has completed has been described as a

potential game the fight against TB in the UK. In one way I can say that

I escaped death. You can see that on the website if

you want to or share it. Let me bring you some breaking news

from Paris, we are getting reports that the Lupu is being evacuated

after gunfire was heard. Reports are, this is being picked up on the

Reuters news agency from local media sources, eyewitnesses talking about

it on Twitter as well, reports are that a soldier opened fire after

being attacked by a person armed with a knife, just by the Louvre, at

the carousel. There is also a report on Reuters quoted a police source

saying a soldier opened fire after a man tried to enter the Louvre with a

suitcase, various reports coming through of what has happened there

but reports the Louvre is being evacuated, no further confirmation

of exactly what the situation is there, we will of course keep you

updated as soon as we hear more. Snapchat is used by 600 million

people across the world, it has not yet made a profit but that has not

stopped it being valued at more than ?20 billion. It is about to be

listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Rory Cellan-Jones has a

demonstration. I've been on Snapchat

for a couple of years, And now, finally,

I'm determined to understand it with a younger person,

Priscilla. The best thing to do

with Snapchat is to take selfies. So what you do is you

double tap your screen, and if you want to put a filter,

you hold onto your face. I've got that filter,

that filter, I've got is. To send that to

someone individually, You can share your whole day

with the world, Our business correspondent

Aaron Heselhurst is with us to talk Have you used it? I have tried to,

because my kids do! It is not really aimed at us!

But the people who love it, it is a massive thing and has this huge

valuation but has never made a profit?

Not in its five-year history. It could possibly, going public, it

will list shares on the New York Stock Exchange, it could possibly

value the company $25 billion but the situation at the moment, 158

million use it daily, very popular as you said with your kids, young

people. In the United States, it is huge. 41% of all 18 to 34-year-olds

are snapping, apparently. But how has that 25 billion being

arrived that when it is not making money?

This is a problem with these tech companies, we don't know until it

goes to the market, it was the same with Facebook. This could be the

biggest tech IPO we have seen since Facebook five years ago, that raced

something like 100 billion, but a similar problem, all the experts I

have spoken to this morning have said, five years ago everyone was

saying to Facebook, you have to monetise your ads, monetise your

users, make money from advertising, and Facebook have certainly cracked

that. They told us yesterday they made $10 billion in profit will stop

this is the same facing Snapchat. Things change when the product is

monetised and it might put off the young, potentially...

It might, advertising propping up because nothing is for free. There

are lots of young people who use it. The founders, they are very young.

Have we got a photo? The young chap on the left, Evan Spiegel, he is 26

years old! Bobby Murphy next to him only 29. Three years ago, not long

ago, Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook offered those two $3 billion cash

for the company, they said, no. Too savvy for that! Is it a smart

move? If the company reaches valuation of 25 billion, those two

you just saw will be multi-multi billionaires indeed. And the

26-year-old, Evan, I only found this out today, he is engaged to Miranda

Kerr, the Aussie supermodel. I wonder, she will see a lot more in

him! I'm sure he is a very nice guy,

Aaron. I'm sure he is. How did they come up

with the idea? That I don't know, to be honest!

Like Soderbergh, it is from university, they did coding, they

put this together. So bright, though, to spot that

trend of where something will go and then it just unfolds.

They will be very successful, whatever. We will wait and see what

happens, when it goes public. There is also a question of whether there

is a tech bubble out there at the moment. The tech experts I have been

speaking to say, will it be Facebook or Twitter? When they compare it to

Twitter, Twitter has never made a profit and its number of users has

really plateaued, whereas Facebook just keeps on soaring. Anyway, it is

a weight and the case. Keep us updated.

Thank you very much. I want to bring you some more about what is

happening at the Louvre because we are hearing from the French Interior

Ministry on Twitter talking about a serious security incident taking

place at the Louvre, Reuters picking up on that. Reports we were getting

earlier was that the Louvre was being evacuated after a man tried to

enter the Louvre, Reuters now saying a French soldier opened fire on and

wounded a man armed with a knife trying to get into the museum,

trying to get into the underground shop with a suitcase. The area has

been evacuated and the Interior Ministry said that the incident is

serious, so police have cordoned off access to the Louvre, according to

eyewitnesses, and the Metro stations around it reportedly closed. There

is a bit of a security lockdown obviously going on there as they

evacuate the area following on from that incident. We will keep you

updated. We will also be telling you a bit

later about what is going on with disability payments, because it is

being argued the Government should delay its planned cuts to disability

benefits. We will look at the arguments for and against that. If

you have any experience, do let us know your thoughts. Also, the Super

Bowl kicks off on Sunday, we will be joined by some NFL fans in the

studio to see how American football Isgrove and give the UK.

And we are staying across the situation in Paris, we will keep you

updated on the unfolding situation at the Louvre in central palace.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Theresa May has arrived at the EU summit in Malta,

where she will brief EU leaders on her meeting with Donald Trump,

and call for NATO members to spend more on defence.

Close trade and strategic ties with President Trump's

administration are central to Downing Street's plans

Mrs May has also said the UK will remain a "reliable

A "chaotic" handling of personal data breaches is undermining

confidence in the Government's ability to protect the UK

That's according to the Commons Public Accounts Committee which says

Ministers have taken too long to consolidate the different

agencies tasked with stopping attacks.

A spokesman for the Cabinet Office said a "comprehensive and ambitious

national cyber security strategy" is in place.

Levels of Tuberculosis are on the rise in parts of the UK,

especially amongst vulnerable groups like the homeless.

A special report for this programme has found that medical teams

are having to employ mobile treatment units in parts of London

to try to keep infection levels under control.

The average car insurance premium has reached a record high of ?462

That's according to the Association of British Insurers,

which says repairs have become more expensive partly because of cars'

increasingly complex electronics, as well as higher whiplash claims

Buying in spare parts is also getting more expensive,

The company that owns the instant messaging and photo app

Snapchat will go public on the US stock exchange.

The California-based tech firm, which allows users to send images

that vanish within seconds, is set to be the biggest

company to list shares in the US in recent years.

Snapchat is expected to start trading at a value

But market analysts have doubts about the company's

Supermarkets are rationing the sale of more vegetables to cope

with a shortage brought about by bad weather in Spain.

It comes after similar problems with courgettes a few weeks ago.

Tesco is limiting customers to three iceberg lettuces,

and Morrisons is also reported to be preventing shoppers from buying more

Tesco says bad weather in Spain has caused "availability issues"

but that suppliers are working to resolve the problem.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

We will of course keep you up-to-date with the latest news we

are getting out of Paris where the Louvre is reportedly being evacuated

after a soldier patrolling outside opened fire after reportedly being

attacked by someone armed with a knife. Somebody tried to enter the

Louvre kicked is being said with a suitcase. There is a big security

operation underway right now at the Louvre, we will keep you updated.

Let's catch up with the sport. We waited so long for the return of

Tiger Woods, he has now pulled out of the Dubai desert classic after

suffering with back spasms, he was 12 shots off the lead anyway

following an opening 77, he missed the cut in his first tournament in

San Diego last week. Mark Hughes has confirmed reports new striker Saido

Berahino served an eight-week suspension for an FA disciplinary

matter. He joined Stoke city last month, but the ban was served at his

previous club West Brom. The six Nations starts after their grand

slam England head coach Eddie Jones thinks his side can be even better.

The women's tournament starts tonight with Scotland hosting

Ireland. And Great Britain get their Davis Cup campaign underway against

Canada, Dan Evans will play the opening rubber after his strong

performance at the Australian open. Andy Murray not in the team, he is

resting at the moment. Back with more on the story is just after

10am. Although gene therapy has

the potential to eliminate birth defects and debilitating diseases,

it also presents difficult ethical issues, with opponents claiming

it's wrong to create The use of gene therapy will be

debated by the Royal Society Arguing the case that gene editing

should be resisted will be Kiruna Stamell a stage and screen

actor with dwarfism. She made this short film for Radio

4's Today Programme. Professor JohnJoe McFadden

is a professor of Molecular Genetics Very eloquently putting the case for

why it is something which has to be so carefully considered, what are

the possibilities with Gene editing? The possibilities are enormous.

Firstly to prevent children being born with devastating diseases, to

prevent children being born with diseases that will give them short

lifetimes are difficult lifetimes. And those are the priorities at the

moment. What is your perspective on something like dwarfism which as she

says does not cause pain, does not shorten life, she talks about it

being a perception of what is normal, she feels no different

inside. I don't think anyone working in the field would think about doing

this kind of procedure which is enormously expensive and difficult

for a condition like dwarfism. We are talking about this technology

for life threatening diseases. Sometime in the future if this

technology really takes off and becomes much easier then people will

have to make other decisions then but it's just not on the radio are

at the moment. -- on the radar. What you think of horror concerns about

putting dwarfism into the context of Gene editing can lead to people

being marginalised? It is obviously a concern, she has a wonderful life

and is happy to be the kind of person that she is. I believe you

should be given the choices to deal with her own children and to have

the kind of children she would like to have. I don't think she or anyone

else should interfere with the choices other people are able to

make about the kind of children which they would like to have.

Particularly if those decisions about the health and well-being of

the children. I think that's the priority, who makes the decision, I

think it is the parents. How slowly does technology like this unfold? It

can sometimes develop more quickly than the ethics around it, how does

the debate... It goes in fits and sports. People have been this kind

of technology for several decades, not very successfully. There is a

new technology available recently which looks like it could

revolutionise the field so we will probably soon be having to make the

kind of decisions about what kind of conditions ought to be treated with

this technology, those are decisions which have to be made by community

at large but particularly by the parents of children. Thank you very

much. Just want to go live to Paris, the Louvre, this is the scene, just

outside the Louvre which has been evacuated. There is a security

operation underway. The French Interior Ministry talking on Twitter

about a serious incident, a serious public security incident underway in

the Louvre area. It's unfolded after a man with a knife, some reports say

attacked a soldier and armed soldier, not quite clear what

happened, but the soldier opened fire. There was it seems, the report

say, a man armed with a knife and carrying a suitcase try to get into

the Louvre. The soldier opened fire and the building has been evacuated

and as you can see and would expect there is a heavy security presence.

Let's bring in a guest joining us from Paris who can talk to us on the

phone, we are going to talk to you about the politics of the EU but I

know you are in Paris and whilst you don't know specifically about this

incident, this is an incident unfolding in your city which has

contended with some horrific times in recent months, how will people be

feeling as the Louvre is at the centre of the latest security skier?

Unfortunately it's another instance of what terrorists want to do, they

won two straight people's minds, so they choose symbolic places -- they

want to strike. If this attack was foiled it just

shows the security that has been deployed to protect people is

working. Indeed the Prime Minister a few days ago in the French Senate

was recalling the many attacks which were prevented and foiled. But

unfortunately we are living under the permanent threat and this is

just a reminder. Yes it seems to have been a very swift reaction to

an indication of a potential threat by an armed soldier. What are the

security levels, what is the visible presence in Paris these days? Yes,

indeed, since the terrorist attacks of last year, army and police forces

have been deployed everywhere starting with the airport, train

stations, and they are very visible everywhere. But it's the information

that people are able to get and this is done today at international level

that is also capable of preventing those attacks. Unfortunately we have

to deal with individuals now, not just groups that will be well

organised and so on, but individuals that have planned to carry out

terrorist attacks and unfortunately their aim is to kill as many people

and this is just another example and it's very fortunate that the soldier

responded in the proper fashion. I mentioned you are here, joining us

to talk more broadly about politics because you represent French

citizens living abroad on the French Senate and we will talk about

Brexit. But how much are security issues going to be a factor in the

French elections which are upcoming? Yes indeed, we have passed many new

legislation to strengthen our security and give more means,

financial and also in the way the police are able to work. But I think

we need to keep working on that. Obviously it is going to be one

issue, as the migration issue is also going to be on the table, as

economic issues and of course the EU and international affairs with

Donald Trump. Yeah, I want to introduce now a couple of more

guests who are going to join us for that wider discussion.

We are joined by Yanis Varoufakis and Doctor Giorgio, thank you for

joining us. We are going to talk about that meeting in Malta, Theresa

May is going to be briefing fellow European leaders about her visit to

the United States, meeting Donald Trump. There is also obviously a

very significant backdrop of what the shape of a Brexit deal might

look like. Yesterday the Maltese Prime Minister said the Brexit deal

must be inferior to you -- to EU membership. Yanis Varoufakis, do you

think that is inevitable? I very much feel the European union is very

much capable of putting petty politics of mutual advantage. This

was my position negotiating with them and I think London will

experience these kinds of tensions for scoring political points instead

of striking and agreement that is advantageous for Britain and the

European Union. Dr Gyorgy Schopflin, Yanis Varoufakis talks about petty

politics been put above mutual advantage. How do you see it? The

European Union, if you like, is a club with its own rules. One of the

central principles is that third states, which the United Kingdom is

about to become, cannot be in a more advantageous position than member

states, that is fundamental. Within that there are various stages before

we get there, something like a final relationship should be as

advantageous as possible for both sides. Both sides have something to

lose, my reading is that Britain has more to lose but there is a great

deal of work to be done between now and, well, not 2019 but something

like 2021, 2020 two. Helen, your perspective on this, do you think

Britain has to be on worst terms? I think nobody has anything to gain

from a weaker UK and I don't see it as 27 countries against one, I see

it as 28 countries having to negotiate the exit of this club, and

of course nobody should have to lose in what is happening. Article 50 is

just so unfortunate, when it was put into the treaty, it was put in as an

exit door, as somebody said to me recently, that lead nowhere, because

it was never intended to be used. I think now that we just have to try

to make the best of the negotiations that are about to start. Thank you

all very much, we will of course have coverage on BBC News today of

that summit. They call it the greatest

show on earth. On Sunday the New England Patriots

will face the Atlanta Falcons It's also the razzmatazz

and the glamour of the half time show, which this year will be

headlined by Lady Gaga. 170 countries are set to tune

in across the world and Americans are estimated to drink 325 million

gallons of beer during the game. American football is growing

here in the UK, and last year three We've got a bunch of players

here and I'll be speaking First let's have a look

at how the game works. I think I've got this one with some

help from my friends at Weir High School

in West Virginia. It's a team sport, the object

is to get the ball into the end zone and score, and the defense has

to stop you. There's always 11

people on the field. So give got your quarterback,

your running back and then you've got your five offensive lineman

and four wide receivers. There's offense and

then there's defense. On offense you're simply trying

to move the ball down the field into the defense's end zone,

and whenever you run defense The offense has four downs to get

ten yards all the time, so the defense wants to stop them

before the four downs And then they just switch

offense and defense. Now I know the rules,

but what do you wear? It's a contact sport, so we wear

helmets to protect our heads, shoulder pads for our

shoulders and everything. And we wear thigh pads, knee pads,

hip pads to protect that. And you normally wear,

just like soccer or anything Well, this is what you wear, these

helmets and all the garb. Some people be watching

with interest are here now - let's talk to NFL star

Michael Bennett, for the Jacksonville Jaguars and some

people who play the game here. Niall Scott-Grant plays

for the Warriors, and is a huge Lucie Stewart plays

for the London Warriors Grace Hilbourne plays

for the Wembley Stallions And finally CJ also plays

for the Wembley Stallions and is a massive New

England Patriots fan. For people here that don't get it,

you cannot overstate it, what is the equivalent of the Super Bowl, is

there an equivalent? The Super Bowl is the biggest sporting event in

America, I don't know if that is statistic wise but the day of the

year and how everyone gets together and celebrate, it is enormous. Huge

hype around it, Lady Gaga performing, those performances can

go viral because sometimes they go wrong as well. Everybody takes

advantage of their chance to perform at the Superbowl, the commercials

around it as well, it is a whole event, and a big deal. Grace, you

are here in your kit, how long have you been playing? From a year, but I

played rugby for quite a while before. How does it compare to

rugby, because it is more like would and football? You throw and catch a

ball, that is where the comparisons stop! Why did you decide to take it

up? I fell in love with it, started watching a few years ago because it

is so exciting and we don't have anything similar here. Then started

looking into it, found out there are a few women's teams around. Michael,

what about you, when did you get into it? Sorry, not Michael, CJ! I

started playing on computer consoles, and then I was just, there

was an advert in the paper for a taster day and I fell in love with

the game and have been playing since the advent as the years have gone

on, the advancement in the equipment, the shoulder pads are not

as heavy as they used to be, and some of the helmets, so once you are

in the game you don't even notice it, really. What got you into it,

Lucie? I had never played a contact sport before, I had a job in London

and was looking for a way to get fit... That is quite a big leap to

take to get bit! There are easier ways! I tried a boot camp and some

boxing classes, tried American football but when I went along to

the London Warriors and met with the women there, I just fell in love

with it. And you, Niall? I was going to get healthy, I was a bigger guy

ten years ago and I thought, what is the best way of getting involved? I

played rugby before at school and the moment I started playing

American football, two weeks and I got my first fact, that was it, it

was an addiction! How popular is it here, Michael? You are active here

in trying to popularise it? It is getting more popular every year,

they were telling me last year was the first year that the Colts got

booed when the Jaguars and the Colts played at Wembley, so people are

really starting to get into it. I know something that the Jaguars do

with the local kids... What is that? It is a game that is not fully

fledged football but teaching the kids rules about football and it has

doubled in size in just one year, so people are really starting to grab

onto football and find interest in it. British football obviously is

not big in the States like it is here, they will always be big in

their own market and niche in the other? Yes, British football is

getting a lot bigger in the States, getting more media coverage and

people are paying attention to read more so it is good to see American

football is getting more coverage of the year, people are finding

interest in it. And you will all be watching the Superbowl on Sunday?

Definitely! Even if you never watch American football, the Superbowl is

something that gets huge coverage, you cannot miss it. It is such a

show, and where our sports here are great, there is no atmosphere like

the American sports have. Like Michael said, the Superbowl

epitomises everything about American sport that is so great to watch, so

it is a great celebration of sport and atmosphere. Is that what you

like about it? Watching the game within the game, watching how the

fence reacts to the defense, and also a great opportunity for me to

get with my team-mates and eat chicken and have a social as well!

Niall, I said I found the explainer confusing, is it a difficult sport

to understand? Once you know the basics it really all falls together.

After that, it is the grasp of what four downs are, where they are

trying to get to, everything works out, it is like a chess game if

anything. Once you get your head for that, it is easy. I like that

explanation! Do you need to understand it to watch and enjoy it,

CJ? It helps, but just watching it, seeing the action, even if you don't

understand it, just watching big plays and big hits, seeing the crowd

reaction, it captivates you. What is the atmosphere like at a big game in

the US? It is hard to describe, when I think about the crowded stadium, a

night game or something like that, the best way I can describe is when

you are on the field, 3rd down, you can feel the vibrations from the

crowd yelling through the field. If I'm talking to my team, we cannot

hear each other. I have never experienced anything like it so far

that could beat just that moment of trying to work with your team-mates

in a big game to overcome the other team who is playing a great game as

well. It is hard to describe just how exhilarating that is. And to get

to the level that you are at in the states must, there must be so much

competition because presumably most little boys at school and a lot of

little girls as well want to go into what you are doing? Yes, in America

I think it is a lot of people streamed to make it to the NFL. I

know it was my dream. When I first started football, I wanted to go to

the NFL, so I am proud to accomplish that. It takes a lot, some of it is

getting lucky but most of it is hard work and as being in the right place

at the right time and making plays when you are supposed to. Nice to

talk to you all, enjoy the Superbowl.

Let's bring you up-to-date with what is happening in Paris, we have those

pictures of the Louvre that we can show you, a big security operation

is underway after the Louvre was evacuated. The French Interior

Ministry talking about a serious public security incident, French

soldier opened fire after reports that he was attacked by a man armed

with a knife, also reports that a man with a suitcase try to get into

the Louvre and so the soldier opened fire, the man described as seriously

injured after those events unfolded. Right now there is a large security

presence outside the Louvre and people have been evacuated from the

area, so we are going to keep you right up to date with what is

happening there. Let's get the weather with Nick.

There is a fair amount of dry, sunny weather out there at the moment but

that is not the case in south-west England and eventually Wales. True

to the middle of the day because we have got rain moving in, some of the

heavy side, the wind picking up as well. North and east of that we will

hold onto the dry, occasionally sunny weather well into the

afternoon but eventually the rain pushes to south-west Scotland at the

east of Northern Ireland. A cold feeling day, not just the rain

moving did north-west England, the Midlands and South East England, the

Channel Islands could see 60, 70 mph gusts, maybe 40, 50 on the south

coast of England, gusty inland as well and the strong wind

transferring to the east of the UK overnight, and it picks up in

Scotland for Saturday morning. Rain and hill snow pushing north

overnight. England and Wales a bit calmer, some frost on Saturday

morning. Saturday has this low-pressure glancing across the far

south-east of England. Some rain and hill snow in Scotland, but between

those it is a fine and dry Saturday and Sunday.

Hello it's Friday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling.

A French soldier on guard at the Louvre in Paris has opened

fire at a suspected attacker, media reports say.

We'll bring you the latest on this developing stories.

Unfortunately it's another incident of what terrorists want to do,

strike people's minds so they choose symbolic places.

We'll be joined in the studio by some of people affected

It comes as MPs ask the government to delay the cuts.

Supermarkets are rationing the sale of more vegetables to cope

with a shortage brought about by bad weather in Spain.

We'll look at how supermarkets and farmers are tackling the problem.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

Our top story this hour - those reports from Paris that

a French soldier has shot and wounded a man armed with a knife

who was trying to enter the Louvre museum

The interior ministry described the incident as "serious".

Streets in the area have been cordoned off

The head of Paris police has also said a second man has been arrested

in connection with the incident. Theresa May has arrived

at the EU summit in Malta, where she will brief EU leaders

on her meeting with Donald Trump, and call for NATO members

to spend more on defence. The Prime Minister is expected to

stress that she wants a positive and constructive relationship with the

remaining 27 EU countries. Mrs May has also said the UK

will remain a "reliable A "chaotic" handling of personal

data breaches is undermining confidence in the Government's

ability to protect the UK That's according to the Commons

Public Accounts Committee which says Ministers have taken too long

to consolidate the different agencies tasked with

stopping attacks. A spokesman for the Cabinet Office

said a "comprehensive and ambitious national cyber security

strategy" is in place. The average car insurance premium

has reached a record high That's according to the Association

of British Insurers, which says repairs have become more

expensive partly because of cars' increasingly complex electronics,

as well as higher whiplash claims Buying in spare parts is also

getting more expensive, The company that owns the instant

messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public

on the US stock exchange. The California-based tech firm,

which allows users to send images that vanish within seconds,

is set to be the biggest company to list shares

in the US in recent years. Snapchat is expected

to start trading at a value But market analysts have

doubts about the company's Supermarkets are rationing the sale

of more vegetables to cope with a shortage brought about by bad

weather in Spain. It comes after similar problems

with courgettes a few weeks ago. Tesco is limiting customers

to three iceberg lettuces, and Morrisons is also reported to be

preventing shoppers from buying more Tesco says bad weather in Spain has

caused "availability issues" but that suppliers are working

to resolve the problem. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am. Let's bring you up to date with what

is happening in Louvre. We are getting comments from the police

chief who says the attacker had launched himself at the soldier who

was slightly injured. The soldier opened fire, firing several bullets

and the attacker is badly injured as a result, gravely wounded the police

chief says including in the stomach, five shots fired at him. The

attacker was carrying two backpacks but neither had explosives. The head

of the police saying that remarks by the attacker had led police to

believe he wanted to carry out a terrorist attack. Searches are

obviously ongoing at the moment at the building, big security

operation, serious security operation at the Interior Ministry

is saying but a swift reaction by an armed soldier outside the Louvre

weather was an indication of a potential threat. This is the

aftermath of that incident which has just started to unfold in the last

hour or so. The area has been evacuated and the Metro station

which is right by the Louvre reportedly closed. We are of course

staying across what is happening and we will keep you up-to-date with any

developments as we get them. Let's catch up with the sport. Mark Hughes

has confirmed his new striker Saido Berahino served an eight-week FA

suspension last year. It follows newspaper reports today that he was

banned after failing out of competition drugs test he joined

Stoke last month and Mark Hughes says he is available for selection

against old club West Brom tomorrow. Tiger Woods says he feels terrible

having to withdraw from the Dubai desert classic with a bad back. Only

his second tournament appearance after three back operations in the

past 19 months. He said he was not in pain during the competition, he

was 12 shots off the lead, the problem apparently came on late last

night when he had a spasm in his lower back. The six Nations begins

at the weekend, Scotland host Ireland, England take on France and

Wales travel to Italy, last year England secured a grand slam and in

fact they went unbeaten in all of 2016 so will be the favourites this

time around. Preparation has been good, I think the concern is when

you prepare so well you can be complacent going into a game. So we

have had a really good week this week, it rained that training which

I think is a good thing, greasy ball, a few dropped balls to keep

people on edge. The challenge from here into the game is sharpening the

axe mentally. Before we go, also the Davis Cup this weekend, Great

Britain without Andy Murray who is being rested, they play Canada later

on, Dan Evans in the opening rubber. I will be back with the sport

headlines around 11:30am. Let's get the latest out of Paris, Louvre on

lockdown, a man armed with a knife, it is being reported it is a

machete, he was outside the Louvre, and armed soldier opened fire after

it is reported the attacker shouted and the soldier shot and seriously

injured a man outside the Louvre who they feared wanted to enter the

Louvre with a suitcase. The head of police in Paris said the attacker

had two backpacks but neither had explosives in them. This is the live

scene where you see a heavy security presence. It is a serious public

security issue. The entire building has been evacuated. The area has

been cleared whilst they deal with the aftermath of the incident. The

man armed with a knife, some reports say it was a machete, no seriously

injured having been shot at five times by a soldier who opened fire

after some reports say being attacked by the man wielding the

knife, but as you can imagine reports are conflicting in these

early stages as the incident just started unfolding in the past hour

or so. That is the latest from the scene. Earlier I spoke to a member

of the Senate of France who gave us this reaction. Unfortunately it's

another instance of what terrorists want to do, they want to strike

people's minds and therefore they choose symbolic places. It was

reinforcement of security forces under the main tourist places in

Paris, and obviously Louvre is one of them. If this attack was foiled

it just shows the security that has been deployed to protect people is

working. Indeed the Prime Minister a few days ago in the French Senate

was recalling the many attacks which were prevented and foiled.

Unfortunately we are living under the permanent threat and this is

just a reminder of it. Since the terrorist attacks of last year the

army and police forces have been deployed everywhere starting with

the airports, train stations, and they are very visible everywhere.

Unfortunately we have two deal with individuals now, not just grips

groups which will be well organised and so on, but individuals who have

plans to carry out terrorist attacks and unfortunately they aim to kill

as many people as possible and this is just another example. It's very

fortunate that the soldier responded in the proper fashion. Let's take a

look at the scene where the security operation continues outside the

Louvre. We can also bring in the former French Foreign Minister from

2007-2010, thank you for joining us, what is urea action? Well, at around

10am a man tried to assassinate, a man wielding two naive scald

machetes, he winded the soldier. Immediately and other soldier shot

the man and wounded hemmer -- him heavily. In the place was full of

tourists, the Louvre, the pyramid, it is heavily guarded like the other

places where the tourists are. Nobody was wounded but the soldier

and the man with the naive spot no tourists were injured at all. --

with the naive this -- with the knives. Apparently security is

coming from the soldiers and the police and it was very well done and

nobody was wounded. Where you there as this was happening? Sorry? Where

you there as this was happening? No, I did not say that, you just called

me and I was aware of what was going on half an hour ago but I was not in

the Louvre, not at all. You talk about the swift reaction from the

soldier who was there the moment something of concern started to

unfold, obviously France has had some very difficult lessons in being

prepared for all eventualities. Yes, we are prepared for such an attack

and it was in the middle of a group of tourists so they reacted the

proper way. Congratulations to the patrol and the soldiers, yes. What

will the reaction the board widely -- what will the reaction be more

widely do you think, this is an indication of a security level which

has reacted very swiftly to something potentially happening. You

are right, not an indication, the man was alone, he did not fire, he

was just armed with two knives, this is the sort of person, in individual

reaction, it is difficult to prevent. But the way they reacted

was a good way. What impact is is having on the French mindset? Sorry?

What impact, all of these incidents, what impact is it having on the

French mindset? Sorry? What impact, all of these incidents, what impact

is it having only French psyche? I don't know, this is a fresh

incident, I don't know. But from the Minister of the interior underlining

that the answer was quick and efficient. Is this a sort of going

to be a key factor in the elections which are upcoming? No, no, no. We

are unfortunately aware of the danger. This is not the end, all

around the Louvre and everywhere, including the station, they are

looking for some people, I don't know exactly, it seems that the

attacker was alone but the security operation is still going on around

the Louvre. The wider security issues for France, the terror

threat, how much of a factor is that in politics at the moment? I don't

think, I mean all the candidates are aware about the danger and that is

why our operation is protecting the people constantly for months and

months. It was, as I told you, this is not a triumph, it is a pity, but

the French soldiers were efficient in answering. Thank you for joining

us, the situation is the security lockdown continues at the Louvre

foyer a man armed with eight knife, we were just hearing it was two

machetes, went to apparently attack at soldier, and an armed soldier

opened fire on the man who according to reports shouted God is in Arabic.

-- God is great, in Arabic. The man was shot five times and there is now

a major security operation is underway.

A group of MPs is calling on the Government to delay cutting

disability benefits until it clarifies how it will support those

From April, the allowance is set to be reduced for new claimants

It means they will get the same as those on Job Seeker's Allowance.

From April 2017, Employment and Support Allowance,

for those deemed fit to look for work, will be cut by ?29.05.

New benefit for disabled people deemed fit to look for work will be

same as Job Seekers Allowance, ?73.10, per week.

The measure is expected to save ?450 million

We can now speak to Labour MP Frank Field,

the Chairman of the Work and Pensions Select Committee.

Also Sue Bott from Disability Rights UK, the charity

We're joined by Tracey Lazard from Inclusion London,

And from our Leeds studio, Keran Bunker - he has

Asperger's syndrome, and is currently on the benefit

Thank you all for joining us. Frank Field, I know that your committee

thinks the cuts should be delayed until there is further clarification

on how they will be implemented and what protections there will be for

people who will be affected. What are your primary concern is? Our

worry is the cuts will be made that will save ?1 billion in this

Parliament and it will be at the expense of many disabled people who

literally cannot work. The Government's argument is that people

will be able to jump into work when they make these cuts. Our counter to

that is if they are so confident everybody is going to be able to get

up and jump into work, why not make sure their support mechanisms are in

place for those who cannot do so because the Government will prove us

wrong, make their savings, everybody will be happy. Our worry is this is

just another cut in the welfare budget which will push even more

people down into desperation. The Government says the savings will be

invested in a new support package for the most vulnerable. We are

saying the support package should be in place before any cut on new

claimants. This is not existing claimants, we are talking about new

claimants, it should be in place before the Government makes the

changes. If they are so confident it is about support measures rather

than cuts, why are they chalking up ?1 billion saving by the end of the

parliament? The Government says the number of disabled people in work

has increased by 600,000 in the last three years which would indicate the

changes being made are giving a greater incentive to people going

into work? Nobody wants to dispute that the new Secretary of State,

Damian Green, has made sure that the most disabled people are not going

to be roughed up by having medicals and being required to go through the

process of applying for jobs and so on, really good. No-one is denying

progress has been made, but we are in the foothills of the mountain to

climb because the Government said it was a pledge now aspiration to halve

the employment rate -- the difference in employment rate

between disabled people and the rest of the population. One piece of

evidence the committee looked at is the current rates, not over history,

the current rate it would take 200 years to meet that target. We make

lots of recommendations about how we hope the Government will achieve

that objective before 200 years are up because I probably won't be here

by then! But we are pleased with the Government's intent and seriousness,

but varies no way they have got a plan yet to achieve those employment

objectives, and yet they are going ahead with new claimants to cut

benefits and most of the cuts since the banking crisis to balance the

budget have been made on people who are touring the benefits. Tracey,

you work with promoting the rights of deaf and disabled people. What

are your concerns here? Well, the cut to employment support allowance

will be devastating. ?30 a week might be nothing to some people, a

good bottle of wine, but for disabled people in the work-related

activity group this is a third of their income. But it is not existing

claimants, so people are not losing it, it is new people coming into the

system... They are facing exactly the same circumstances and again

another perverse consequence is if disabled people on the WR AG group

go into employment and are not able to sustain that implement, which

often happens because access to work packages are not in place, they will

come out of employment, get sacked, then be treated as a new claimants.

On that point, let's bring in Keran, because that is something you are

concerned about. You have been on this allowance since 2013, tell us

what your situation has been, have you tried to look for work and how

do you see potentially the changes affecting you? I have a couple of

times but I'm worried that basically, as the lady was saying,

if I was to find work, my biggest fear is now that having to return to

the benefit I would lose out, so I think, how is the best way to

explain it, I am not looking for work unless I know it will be

definitely right for me. Could I does make the point as well, half of

the people in the WRAG group of people with learning difficulties,

people with complex mental health issues, people with ass burgers,

these are groups of disabled people but experience the worst

discrimination and as a consequence have the lowest employment rates --

with ass Burgess. The employment allowance recognises that, it is a

civilised response to a situation where people are unable to work and

that will be the case for a considerable amount of time. To put

people on the GSA equivalent is punishing people and property for

six months is very different property three years. Sue, you are

from Disability Rights UK, what is your view on this? I agree with

everything that has been said until now. I would like to make the point

that it takes disabled people a lot longer to get into work and find

work, and I think that we have to understand that the JF A-level is

very difficult for all claimants, not just for disabled people. For

disabled people it is going to be even worse because they are going to

have to live with that low level of benefit for much longer and really

there is no evidence this would be an incentive. In fact, it would be

the exact opposite. Putting people into poverty really means they have

to focus all their efforts on surviving on a day-to-day basis and

are not in a position to be able to work. If the Government is so

confident that we will all jump into jobs, they will get their saving, so

why not put the support mechanisms in place before they do it? This is

the argument... I wanted to put to you what George Osborne said as

Chancellor, he outlined the plan is back in 2015... He has probably

changed his mind now! He said then that the system as it has been

created perverse incentives preventing disabled people returning

to work and at that point he said the number of people claiming out of

what disability benefits had fallen by 90,000 since 2010. The committee

is not against change, not against change for new claimants, although

we have heard that there is a recycling of claimants as they lose

jobs. The committee's case is very clear, if the Government is really

so confident that it is going to be that easy for this large group of

people, disabled people, to move into work, why won't they concede,

as the Conservative members on the committee have demanded, not just

Labour members, to say that they should have the support measures in

place, the safety net in place, for those people actually cannot

successfully immediately make that jump? Is it clear, actually, because

there are sometimes reassessments, if somebody was reassessed, would

they count as a new claimant? Yes. They are pushed out. Or disabled

purple in the support group who wants to try out work-related will

suddenly find that their income is cut by that much. And let's not

forget that the funding for the new employment support programme is just

one fifth of what it was previously, so all of the infrastructure to

support disabled people back into work has been shrunk by 80%. Keran,

a quick final word from you because obviously there is a focus on trying

to reduce the disability employment gap. How much help have you had in

terms of getting back into the workplace? Due to my health

conditions, not a great deal at the moment. I have tried a couple of

times to be looking to get back into work, but I have found it difficult.

I am worried if they cut the money and say I was a new claimant, being

back in that position again, that I would seriously struggle, and it

would make the situation a lot worse. I think I would be a lot

worse off than I am now in the position I am to try and find work.

What Keran says is true, and the idea that disabled people can make

this jump is, for the reasons that Sue was saying, difficult enough to

exist on the benefit, we are talking about ?100 a week. I see in my

constituency how people are ground down by this. To say, you are

disabled people and you have to jump into work when the job market is

going to be very tight anyway, and the support mechanisms are not going

to be in place, I think it is actually impossible and, as you

rightly say, it is a George Osborne packet and think Mrs May needs to

decide to pause this until we ensure that it is a safe movement of

disabled people from benefit into work.

Thank you very much, thank you. This morning the Department for Work

and Pensions told us that, "The number of disabled people

in work has increased by almost They also said that,

"Of the 2.5 million individuals claiming

the Employment Support Allowance, over half - 1.3 million -

also claim an additional This is a separate payment

which helps people with the extra Let's go back to Paris, the public

prosecutor 's office has said that anti-terror police are opening an

investigation into the attack at the Louvre.

Police gave this update a short while ago. TRANSLATION: It happened

at 10am this morning, nearly escalated at the entrance to the

Louvre Museum. An attacker which had at least a machete and possibly

another weapon and was wearing a backpack rushed towards and attacked

policemen and soldiers while shouting threats, including Allahu

Akbar. Let's take you live to the scene

right now, that security operation still ongoing. The latest that we

are hearing is that the French Interior Ministry is saying that the

identity and nationality of the Louvre attacked the suspect is not

yet known, and an investigation has been opened into the attack, the

public prosecutor 's office has said. It is an incident that has

unfolded very quickly at the Louvre, just after 10am this morning our

time, and man reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar and armed, some reports

say, with up two machetes was shot at by an armed soldier outside the

Louvre, hit with five gunshots, now in a grave condition and the

security operation is still ongoing at the Louvre, the museum has been

evacuated. We will keep you updated, of course.

Also, supermarket ration vegetables to cope with a shortage caused by

bad weather abroad. And, after nearly 50 years, Black

Sabbath are hanging up their guitars. We will be looking back at

the band credited with inventing heavy metal.

Let's get the latest from the newsroom.

The Paris police chief says the man shouted Alluha Akbar as he rushed

that a group of soldiers and police outside the building. The incident

has been described as serious and a second man has been arrested in

connection to the incident. This is the scene at the attack in Paris,

the police involved in a brief news conference answering questions for

the media, it is understood the identity of the attacker and his

nationality is not yet known. We will bring you every detail as it

comes to us. Theresa May has arrived

at the EU summit in Malta, where she will brief EU leaders

on her meeting with Donald Trump, and call for NATO members

to spend more on defence. The Prime Minister is expected

to stress that in spite of Brexit she wants a positive

and constructive relationship Mrs May will also say the UK

will remain a "reliable There's strong criticism this

morning of government plans to enhance Britain's cyber

security. The Commons Public Accounts

Committee says there's what it calls "an alphabet soup" of agencies

tasked with stopping attacks and better co-ordination

was taking too long. A spokesman for the Cabinet Office

said a "comprehensive and ambitious national cyber security strategy"

was in place. The company that owns the instant

messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public

on the US stock exchange. The California-based tech firm,

which allows users to send images that vanish within seconds,

is set to be the biggest company to list shares

in the US in recent years. Snapchat is expected

to start trading at a value But market analysts have

doubts about the company's That's a summary of the latest

news, join me for BBC On Monday we are holding a special

programme looking at the state of the NHS, we will look at the

problems it is facing and ask for your help for solutions, if you work

in the NHS, doctor, nurse, or consultant or are a patient with

recent experience we would like you to take part.

Let's catch up with the sport. The return of Tiger Woods to golf

was long-awaited but he has only managed three rounds so far this

year and has now pulled out of the Dubai desert classic after suffering

with back spasms. He had an opening 77 and was 12 shots of the lead. --

off the lead. Stoke city manager Mark Hughes has confirmed reports

that new striker Saido Berahino 78 week suspension for an FA

disciplinary matter. He joined the club in January, but served the ban

at his previous club, West Brom -- has served the eight-week

suspension. Eddie Jones thinks his England rugby side can be even

better. The women's six Nations begins tonight with Scotland host in

Ireland. Dan Evans will play in the opening rubber for Great Britain in

the Davis Cup against Canada. Andy Murray is not in the team, he is

resting at the moment. Supermarkets across the UK have

started rationing some vegetables and salads -

because of a shortage. Supplies have been disrupted

in recent weeks by poor growing Britain imports around

half its vegetables In our Hull studio is Lord Haskins -

he's the former chairman of Northern Foods which supplies to

Tesco. And in Halstead, North Essex

is Mitchelle Redman - he runs a fruit supplier business

and joins us from his market stall. Thank you for joining us. What are

you seeing, are you seeing an evidence of shortages? Yes, we have

in recent weeks but having said that the supplier has improved this week.

How people reacting? They are not too bad at the moment, a little bit

surprised about some of the prices, the wholesale price to me last night

for iceberg lettuce was ?1 50 each. The price of small cherry tomatoes

?5 plus per kilogram for me to buy which is extremely expensive for

this time of year. At least double what it should be. It is being said

big supermarkets are putting limits on the amount of certain items which

can be bought, a limit of three iceberg lettuce because smaller

shops and other outlets are buying from supermarkets to get the

supplies up, have you come across that? Yes, I believe some other

greengrocers may well do that. But I think also the problem is made worse

by restaurants and cafes and so on who are frustrated with the price

from their wholesaler so they are also going to the supermarket to get

the cheapest price wherever they can. They will be clearing the

shelves a lot quicker than a family at home. Lord Haskins, what do you

make of this, people chasing following supplies? I think if the

nation is in panic about iceberg lettuce then God help us. These

things happen, 30 years ago you never would have worried about

buying lettuce in the middle of winter, you ate it in the summer and

you eat cauliflower and Brussels sprouts in the winter. We have

become a strange group that we want to have all year round crops and

sometimes it goes wrong as it is at the moment. So what is the answer?

It will resolve itself, if you're really keen you can buy them from

Peru and South Africa. It will cost a bit but if they get too expensive

people will be expensive and by Brussels sprouts instead. It sounds

like you don't think it's a bad thing if it makes people think about

the seasonality of produce and what options people have? We all buy

stuff from far parts, first of all they don't taste anywhere near as

good. Strawberries from Egypt this year don't taste any nowhere close

to British strawberries in May, June, July. And there is the

business of flying all this stuff around the world and the impact this

have on climate change. There is nothing wrong with buying a little

bit more home produce. Assuming we have the Eastern European workers to

pick them and that may not happen either! Thank you, good to talk to

you both. Black Sabbath - the band that

invented heavy metal After nearly 50 years -

we'll looking at their success. And we will talk about a factory

accident which was fundamental in giving them their success.

Few now need telling of the growing risk of cyber crime yet parliaments

spending watchdog has warned that the government's "approach

to handling personal data breaches has been chaotic and that Britain

ranks below Brazil, South Africa and China in keeping phones

Michael Fallon warned that Russia of a sustained campaign of cyber

attacks targeting western democracies.

A lot of comments about what is happening in Russia.

We can now speak to Meg Hillier, the Labour chair of

the Public Accounts committee and from our Bristol studio,

Brian Lord, former deputy director of Intelligence and Cyber Operations

at GCHQ and is managing director of PGI Cyber.

Tell us more about what your concerns are and why you are saying

it is chaotic? Every government department is doing its own thing,

the government has set up the cyber Security Centre which is long

overdue and it has been trying to scale up civil servants but it is

not there yet and there is a shortage of skilled people to do

this work in government and across the board and that's the biggest

concern. Obviously it is absolutely fundamental because we all rely so

much on the web to do things. Yes it can be day-to-day irritations like

issues with your personal data but that gets more serious if it is

things secure banking data but there are also national security issues.

The number reported to GCHQ went up 100 per month between 2014 and 2015.

It is at the series and there is an issue as well and it's important

everyone in the system understands their role in keeping cyber

security. Government has to do tackle that. Brian, why do we rank

below other countries in terms of how we are dealing with this? I

would not like to comment on what exactly a pure league table on that

means, what I would say is when one is facing a range of cyber risks

from website vandalism at one end which is just pure vandalism, to

attacks on the critical national infrastructure of others and

everything in between, that's an awful lot of activity to monitor,

coordinate and provide coherent cross government defence and cross

industry defence, to protect the nation. I think Meg is right, one of

the biggest problems is a lack of skilled people but the other point I

would make is what we need to be able to do is differentiate between

knowledge and understanding which is what is the knowledge any employee

needs in the 21st-century to counter this threat and the skills which are

aimed to develop technologies, capabilities and the ability to

counter it. Sometimes when we talk about skills the two things converge

on an unhelpful way. The Cabinet says it is investing considerably in

this, ?1.9 billion in its cyber Security strategy, that will start

to come through, is it enough? When we push government about how they

spend money, how they were measuring the effectiveness of the spend, they

were quite vague. We want to see the benefit but it is a critical issue

to get right. It means long-term planning, since 2013 there has been

a plan in place to train up civil servants in the way that was just

explained so there is knowledge and understanding at junior levels. The

DWP does some good work. But its high level skills which are the

problem and you cannot find those people easily and there are a few

people chasing a lot of jobs so it's a bit of a buyers market place, a

worker 's place. They have got a challenging government because they

have to find a need to pay for these people as well as competing with the

private sector so there are a range of challenges. We recognise that but

we would like them to move a little faster. What you're concerned about

Russia, so much about the threat from them? Russia are only one

element, the Secretary of State made a speech about that yesterday and

the fact he did that underlines the government concern and the

government has recognised cyber security is of the four top security

risks. They recognised that in 2010 and have taken steps to do the right

thing so we can give them five out of ten, they have a plan and are

beginning to implement it but we need things to move faster and there

needs to be a discussion about how we fill the skills gap. How big an

issue is the threat from Russia on cyber security or any other country

that might want to cause problems? The threat from cyber, cyber

security which is quite an unhelpful phrase in many ways is there and is

growing. Russia in itself is sophisticated practitioner. They are

able to deliver a range of effects they want to achieve as a state. I

think to hold them up as an exemplar are in the nicest possible way of

effective cross government use of cyber is probably right. They are an

adversary in the way they always have been. This skills issue is

absolutely key to this. I think one of the areas is probably, I would

like to see and I would like to encourage a far more innovative

capability between industry and government because as said,

government is losing out to salary levels it cannot match because of

the scarcity. I think there needs to be a lot more innovation between

government and industry about somehow some of those skills being

sheered and away -- sheered in away. The Russian issue has really hit the

front pages because of the US presidential elections, how much,

when you were at GCHQ, is going on? We have absolutely no idea about.

Well, there is a good reason people don't know anything about it and I

don't want to comment on that, but what I would say going back to the

element of the US presidential election, we can look at this two

ways, firstly is looking that actually here is a new vehicle for

Russia in this case to cause mischief. But on the other angle, to

keep it into perspective we need to be able to say this is the kind of

activity Russia has been doing, not just Russia, any other state has

been interfering in other states political fears for centuries. So

what Russia are doing is no different, they are just doing it to

a different medium and it's how to counter them in that cyber arena

which is where the challenge is, not to get too energised by the fact

they are doing it in the first place. Thank you very much.

No-one from The Cabinet Office was available but they have told us the

Government acted with a pace and ambition that has been welcomed by

industry and international partners across the globe. They also said

they are investing in a national side that the strategy underpinned

by ?1.9 billion of investment setting out a range of measures to

invent -- to protect people and business and develop skills.

Let's take you back to Paris to take a look at the scene, there is a

statement, I think it is in French so we will listen across and tell

you what has been said there. It is not in English right now so we will

not bring that to you but a little while ago I spoke to Bernard

Kushner, who was the Foreign Minister of France from 2007 to

2010. It was in the Louvre, it is heavily guarded. Nobody was wounded

but the soldier and of course the man with a knife, but no tourists

were injured at all. I do not know exactly the whole

scene but apparently the security coming from the soldiers and the

police was very well done and nobody was wounded but the attacker

himself. We were prepared for such an attack and a group of tourists

reacted the proper way and congratulations to the patrol and

soldiers. The operation, this is not the end because all around the

Louvre and everywhere, the underground stations, they are

looking for some people, I don't know exactly but it seems the

attacker was alone, but the security operation is still going on around

the loop. Let's just show you the live picture

coming to us... It is the same spokesperson that we are going to

try to have listened to and tell you what you have been saying. Let me

bring you to date with some comments from a police union official, saying

that a French soldier shot and seriously wounded a man in the

shopping mall beneath the loop after he tried to attack and shouted

Allahu Akbar. The man was carrying two backpacks and had two machetes

and when soldiers and police officers on patrol told the man he

could not come in with his bags, he attacked. That is when he got the

knife out and that is when he tried to stab the soldier. The soldier

opened fire, the man was struck five times, once in the stomach. The

backpack did not contain any explosives. One of the soldiers was

slightly wounded on the scalp. So this person had tried to get into

the place-macro, into the shop beneath the place-macro museum with

two backs and when confronted by soldiers, that is when knives were

bought out of the bags and one soldier was slightly injured -- in

the Louvre museum. Our correspondent Jonny Diamond joins us from Paris.

This is an incident that seems to have been dealt with quickly, bring

us up-to-date with the latest? It has been dealt with very quickly.

Really a very swift incident, as you described. The man attacking a

soldier and then being fired upon, he is described as between life and

death, I think between serious and critical condition. The area

cordoned off, the museum closed, but the real concern I think will be

that this has happened right in the heart of Paris at one of Paris'

greatest tourist attractions, and it is what some people describe as a

lone wolf operation, extremely difficult to protect against. You

see soldiers on the streets of Paris at railway stations and about public

buildings providing public reassurance, they obviously acted

incredibly swiftly and effectively at this point but the news coming

out, the news that this was, in the words of the French Prime Minister,

terrorist in nature, reports that before he launched his attack he

cried out Allahu Akbar, which means God is great in Arabic, will I'm

sure our alarm many people, many Christians, and many people visiting

or thinking of visiting the capital. Johnny, thank you very much. We will

keep you updated and obviously plenty of coverage coming up on BBC

newsroom life after this programme and on BBC News.

1968, in the suburb of Aston, in Birmingham, two young

working-class men got together to form a band.

They didn't know it, but they'd end up making history.

Six years later they'd play in front of quarter-of-a-million

They'd become known for inventing a whole new musical

They'd become global superstars - the singer Ozzy Osbourne,

But this weekend the show is finally over for Black Sabbath.

Tomorrow, they play one more gig in front of their home crowd

in the city where it all started 49 years ago.

It's the final concert of their The End tour.

We've got lots of guests to speak to but first let's take a look

# All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy.

# Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify.

# Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry.

# Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal.

MUSIC: "A Hard Road" by Black Sabbath.

# On this path of life we can't back down.

# Life becomes the singer and the song.

Let's talk now to Nick Ruskell, he's from the rock magazine Kerrang!

Alexander Milas is working on a project called Home Of Metal

which has been given half-a-million pounds by the Arts Council

to celebrate the influence of Black Sabbath and other

Jim Simpson was the band's first manager when they changed their name

Paulette joins us from LA - she's the lead singer

of an all-female Sabbath tribute band so she wants to be known

Thank you all very much for joining us. It is that classic thing, they

have got a passionate fan base but if you don't like their music, you

don't pay attention, but they have a very special place in the history of

rock? They do, in the late 60s they were the first band to play what

they described as scary music after the bass player had the idea from