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Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

Police arrest a third person in connection with

the apparent poisoning of Kim Jong-nam,

half-brother of North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un.

At this stage it's too early to say whether a foreign

South Korea says it's convinced it was North Korea but Malaysia

A million pensioners are not receiving the support they are

entitled to. We will look at what it means for those that need it.

And why is so hard to talk about the menopause?

The first time I had a hot sweat, it did take me by surprise. What is

that? What am I sitting on! It is like sitting on a radiator.

Hello. Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

We're also talking about social care this morning, after the charity Age

UK said hundreds of thousands of elderly and vulnerable people

in England are not receiving the help they need,

even though they are struggling with essential daily

tasks such as washing, eating and using toilet.

The charity says the system is close to collapse

Let us know your experiences, use the hashtag, #VictoriaLIVE

and if you text, you will be charged

Malaysian police have arrested two more people in connection

with the death of Kim Jong-Nam, the half-brother of North Korean

He died after apparently being attacked at the airport

in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur earlier this week.

One of those arrested was a woman travelling

How, in a crowded airport in broad daylight,

Malaysian police are trying to piece together how Kim Jong-nam died

as he waited to board a flight at Kuala Lumpur airport.

These CCTV images appear to show one of the suspects.

Police have now arrested two women, one carrying a Vietnamese passport,

South Korea's spy agency believes suspected North Korean agents

TRANSLATION: The cause of murder seems likely to be of poison.

But it is to be checked precisely through autopsy.

Inside North Korea, thousands gathered to mark the birthday

of the country's late leader, while the isolated nation's

current ruler, Kim Jong-un, has remained silent on the death

Back in the Malaysian capital, North Korean officials including

the ambassador were seen visiting the hospital on Wednesday.

This is the Kim dynasty. Kim Jong-il had five children.

Kim Jong-nam, the eldest son, fell out of favour and lived in exile.

He was bypassed for leadership in favour of his youngest half-brother.

Despite the suspicions and speculation, it is not yet clear

A postmortem of the body has been completed but the results

Our correspondent Karishma Vaswani is in Kuala Lumpur, and earlier

she sent this update on the investigation.

The investigation has been extremely fluid,

with information changing pretty much by the hour.

This morning, we received a statement from the Royal Malaysian

Police, that said an Indonesian woman, a woman carrying

an Indonesian passport, was arrested late last night.

She was arrested alone and they didn't say

What we understand is that she was identified from the closed-circuit

camera footage taken from the scene of the crime.

This is the second arrest in this investigation so far,

but three days on from the death of the man believed to be Kim

there is still very little information about why

he was killed or whether it was Kim Jong-nam at all.

In fact, I'm standing right in front of the Kuala Lumpur hospital

where the body was brought for a postmortem investigation.

Remember, Malaysian police have said that until that

investigation is completed, they can't confirm the identity

of the man who died at the airport on Monday, or what caused the death.

Now we have been told that the postmortem has been

completed but the results of that investigation have

Let's go live now to Seoul in South Korea,

Kevin, now three arrests, and more details emerging about potentially

the story behind it, claims that in 2012, he had written to Kim Jong-un

an, begging him to spare his life after a previous assassination

attempt -- Kim Jong-un. The person detained was carrying an

Indonesian passport. But it is quite likely an investigation may head

towards the true identity. Earlier on, Malaysia nor authorities

released a photo taken from a security camera thought to be one of

the assailants. It is believed that it may have been a North Korean

agent. A colour image of a young Asian woman in heavy make-up and

casual clothes. Several other members thought to be part of the

same group are being pursued a according to local media.

A huge amount of interest around the world in this story, isn't there?

That's correct. This incident has created a frenzy of media interest

in the region, in China, South Korea and Japan. It is just the bit

bizarreness in its entirety, Malaysia and women employed as

assassins, and the way the murder was carried out with various

conflicting theories of a poisonous needle, or a liquid laced cloth, all

aspects of this incident has kept the public absolutely mesmerised,

even to the detail of what was printed on the shirt that the female

suspect was wearing, with the huge letters LOL, an acronym for laughing

out loud plastered on the front of the assailant's outfit. Everyone is

captivated by the story in its intrigue.

Thanks very much, Kevin. Ben is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the rest More than three million people

could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking Vitamin D

supplements according The study in the British Medical

Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says

the evidence remains inconclusive. Our health correspondent

Dominic Hughes reports. This is what Vitamin D

deficiency can look like. Softened bones bowing under

the weight of the body. Now Researchers say Vitamin D

can have other benefits They argue that if everyone got

enough Vitamin D there would be a 10% reduction in the risk of

respiratory illnesses like coughs, Among those with the very lowest

levels of Vitamin D, the benefit is even greater -

a 50% reduction. And across the whole UK population,

that would equate to more than 3 million people avoiding

a cold or flu each year. At present, people are being

asked to take supplements in order to meet their Vitamin D requirement

over winter and spring, but it's expensive and a lot of

people won't remember able to take or remember to take

supplements daily. So a more effective strategy

is to introduce food fortification Sunlight on the skin

is the best source of Vitamin D but the increased use of sunscreen,

and our weather, means exposure We are already advised to take

vitamin D throughout the winter and spring months

to boost our levels. It can also be found in some foods,

like oily fish, eggs and cereals, and the US and Finland add Vitamin D

as a supplement to food. But some scientists here are not

convinced there's enough evidence that Vitamin D can prevent other

illnesses to justify following suit. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today,

for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed

as President Trump's The two men will be attending

a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has

indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting

message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in

America's foreign policy positions. President Trump has suffered another

set-back in his efforts to finalise His choice for Labor Secretary,

Andrew Puzder, has withdrawn from the nomination process

after several Republican senators Mr Puzder has admitted that he once

employed a housekeeper who wasn't legally

allowed to work in the US. Social care for elderly people

is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England,

according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people

are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with essential

daily tasks such as washing, Our Health Correspondent

Sophie Hutchinson reports. For ten years, Elaine Yates

has cared for her husband. They managed to get

some social care. But Elaine, who runs

a support group for carers, When Michael first

came into the system, it was a lot easier,

because we had our own care manager who grew to know us and could help

support us in what we needed. Today, people coming

into the system, they don't get that kind of support, they don't

get their own care manager. Today's report from Age UK

says that since 2010, that has been a rise of 50%

in the amount of elderly people The charity's particularly concerned

with the more than 50,000 people who struggle with three or more

of these activities, While social care is run

in different ways across the UK, cuts have meant councils in England

have had to reduce The Councils

in England have had to reduce the amount they spend

on social care. And Age UK says emergency funding

is now needed to avert a complete We're seeing the beginnings

of something that's That's because, if there

is going to be any extra money for social care,

it's not coming yet. Because every day we have an ageing

population and more people over 85 The Government says it recognises

the pressures on the system and is working on

a sustainable solution. There's now a growing expectation

a rescue package may be included Britain's most senior judge has

criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50

court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before

the formal process for leaving The President of

the Supreme Court, Lord Neuberger, also accused politicians of not

being quick enough to defend Some of the things that were said

risked undermining the judiciary, and unfairly undermining the

judiciary. And therefore, undermining the rule of law.

A mother and teenage son have been arrested after she allegedly

faked her death in Zanzibar in a bid to claim ?140,000

Police said the 45-year-old woman's son and his guardian claimed she had

died in a car crash in East Africa and allegedly provided

But instead she was living in Canada.

The insurance company was unable to verify the woman's death,

refused to pay out on the policy and contacted police.

The Church of England says its bishops will take time

to reflect after the ruling general synod voted down an important

The clergy chose to ignore recommendations which suggested that

a union should only be between a man and a woman.

The bishops are now expected to produce a new report on the issue.

Hundreds of people demonstrated on the streets of Paris last night to

show support for a black youth worker who claims he was sexually

assaulted by police earlier this month.

There's been growing tension in some of the city's suburbs since the 22

year-old was arrested a fortnight ago.

One police officer has been charged with rape,

President Francois Hollande has called for calm and for justice.

A state of emergency has been declared in Christchurch

in New Zealand as a huge wildfire continues to burn,

forcing hundreds of people to flee their homes.

The military has been deployed to help tackle the fire -

investigations into what caused it are continuing.

Now we've heard of birds, or even drones, being a danger to planes,

but now pilots may also have to look out for deer.

Pilots are taught to watch out for many dangers during take-off,

But one flight in North Carolina had another experience.

This plane was taking off from Charlotte in North Carolina

when it struck a deer on the runway and was forced to make

The surprise impact damaged one of the wings and caused

a fuel leakage, which saw emergency services spraying foam

No injuries were reported among those on board,

we suspect the deer was probably not so lucky.

Oh, dear. That is a summary of the latest BBC News, more from me later.

I thought we might see the deer, but thankfully, we didn't. Let me bring

you some comments on the menopause. We will talk about it later. Is it a

taboo? Is it difficult to talk about it if you are going through it? What

have your experiences been? Jane on Facebook says not getting the right

help from your local hospital on these issues is not help either.

Glad we can talk out about this because it is a nightmare to live

with. Lindsay on Facebook, I cook the bed every night and had to get

out to call it down or I never get back to sleep. Insomnia is also a

blight. Let us know your experiences of the menopause and what have you

found works to get through it? Kirsty Walker has made a documentary

on the menopause. She will join us with other women talking about their

experiences. Hugh, not a very good night for

Arsenal, I guess that puts it mildly? Yes, that is putting it

mildly. It is an embarrassment of epic proportions for Arsene Wenger

and his team. Former players, pundit, fans seem to be reaching a

universal view it has been a good journey but the wheels have come off

and it is time for a change at Arsenal. They have been knocked out

at the last 16 stage of the Champions League in the last six

seasons. After a huge 5-1 defeat last night it looks set to be

another early exit. Amazingly Sanchez's equaliser meant things

were level at half-time, there was a brief glimmer of hope for the fans

but they were torn apart and the capitulation compounds the pressure

on the boss Arsene Wenger, he is under fire, a promising title

challenge faltered early on, no Premier League title for 12 years

and lack of character was put into stark contrast, against that of the

Bayern team. Arsenal looking lost following an injury to their

captain. The goalkeeper making a few great saves. That prevented things

from being worse. It is the same old story for fans of the Gunners and

with the manager's contract coming to an end in a few month's time the

out calls will grow louder. After he spoke briefly to the media. The real

problems we faced was after the third goal, I felt, because we lost

our organisation, and we looked mentally very jaded, and very

vulnerable from that moment on wards, and after, the last 25

minutes, it was a nightmare for us. After judgment came in from all

quarters. Martin Keown a former supporter of his former boss said it

was embarrassing. He called it Arsene Wenger's lowest point and on

Radio 5 Live they had this assessment. This is a chronicle of

death foretold. There is no leadership. The club have an owner

who is silent. He doesn't communicate with the fans, who is

sleepwalking towards the abyss here, you have a manager in Arsene Wenger

whose best days are behind him. Everyone can see that, even the

faithful can really see that this is a manager who has been overtaken by

the Contes and Klopp, you have a lack of leadership on the pitch

which is highlighted when cosh any. They are a laughing stork, you have

a manager who has lost his leadership skill, there is no Ince

vincible streak in the team any more or the manager. That view was

reflected in the newspapers, the Sun say Bay bye Arsene. They are called

spineless in the Mail. The pressure grows on Wenger and that sums it up.

Groundhog Day for the Arsenal fan, we will wait and see whether Arsene

Wenger is given a new contract and more time at the club. We will see.

We will. Thank you. The menopause is something that

happens to all women - And what's the best way to deal

with the side effects that A new documentary by Newsnight

presenter Kirsty Wark which airs tonight takes an unflinching look

at everything to do with the menopause -

and asks whether women have been needlessly denied hormone

replacement therapy for years. There is something about the word

that has negative connotations of ages which in our youth obsessed

culture can be debilitating. We are living longer, working longer and

menopause is a feature of midlife, it is the start of a new chapter so

why the taboo. It really is time for a change.

So sadly, our ovaries are only designed to last a certain number of

year, we produce egg cells up to the late 40, early 50s and by the age of

51 on average women are stopping having periods and the reason they

stop is because we run out of egg cells but the complicated thing is

we live for many years beyond that. So, when our ovaries are not,ing,

the key hormone we stop producing is oestrogen, rather than it being

period stops it is about the consequences of lack of oestrogen.

There are many aspects that women can be embarrassed to talk about. I

thought it would be interesting to see if I could encourage them to

open up on radio. Can I ask how good was it for you?

Not great. No great. Medically induced hysterectomy. HRT for three

years and then came the big boom scare, and suddenly, HRT was taboo

and I came off it, and actually, my symptoms have not really gone away

in the last ten years. What about you? I don't seem to have been

affected, sorry, because I know that I annoy people. That is great. You

are not. Virtually 100% will experience some symptoms. I do stick

my leg out the bed at night. Hot flushes. That is a symptom, even if

it is only one leg. It is only one leg. It would affect your euro

genital symptoms. Dryness down below, loss of libido. Look, people

don't want to talk about that stuff with their doctors even. What you

want to hear from people. You get what you ant because we have lots of

them. Let us speak to Nan. Good morning. How are you this morning?

OK but I have had a horrible, horrible night with hot flushes.

Does it affect you every fight? Every single night. What I would

like to ask is, I am 78, am I too old to go back on to HRT? You may

want to consider other options which can be helpful to control hot

flushes which we sometimes use for ladies who are not so suitable for

HRT. The most common treatment for

menopausal symptoms is hormone replacement therapy. HRT. Which

helps replace the oestrogen lost when our ovaries stop producing

eggs. It can be taken via patches or as a

gel or tablets. But it has been heart to work out if

it is wise to take it. This is due to the confusion ignited by the

publication of the women's health initiative study in America, back in

2002. The study casts serious doubts on the safety of HRT. So 2002, HRT

study. Cancelled over cancer and stroke fear, the Guardian HRT linked

to breast cancer n the male it does more harm than good. New cancer fear

for women taking HRT, then it is safe for millions of women. Again

The Express two stories. New menopause guide say one million

women can benefit from HRT. This is why it is all so confusing. I was

using HRT tablets for three years after my hysterectomy but stopped

suddenly, like so many women because of the scare. So in 2002 the results

of the women's health initiative study came out and those suggested

that being on HRT hugely increased your risk of breast cancer, that

seemed like being on it for a short period. At that time people just

stop taking it because of the risk. Lots without any discussion with a

medical professional. They stopped it cold turkey. Then people stop

coming to ask for it and GPs became less familiar with prescribing it

and got caught up in the safety issues so were probably less likely

to suggest it. It's a vicious circle. Yes. Subsequent research

suggested that the analysis of the data was flawed. That the findings

were overstated. But these more positive reappraisal received

nothing like the same publicity as the original scare. More up-to-date

researchers attempted to offer clarification of the risks involved.

So let us look at this. Back when she was in her 30s Jennifer spawned

sear was writing about the funny side of it. Did you go hospital? Yes

and the gynaecologist. I hate them, a man who can look you in the vagina

but never in the eye. I used that about four times. Times. Patsy has

ohs borrow sips. She has the lowest bone denty on record.

She is just gristle clinging on the bone powder. This is what happens

when you have the menopause. No! No! No! Good. You look at that no. I

know. Little did I know it was all going to happen. Yours was a

particular kind of menopause, what happened? Was, I got breast cancer,

and so I wasn't menopausal, I was still having periods, but second

year of chemotherapy, all your periods stop, and so you plunged

into it. Because you are so full of chemicals you have no idea. It is

like the tiniest thing. Compared to everything else. So by the time you

have got over the chemicals and you are on tamoxifen which gets rid of

your oestrogen, you can't tell the difference, you know know what is

coming out of chemo and what is menopause, and it wasn't until I

think about a year after, that I started to feel like, this isn't,

this doesn't feel right. This feels different. It changes your

metabolism, you energy levels, your skin, your hair, everything. I mean

it was quite astonishing. How did you deal with it? I don't know. I

drank! No... I had a large glass of champagne. And got on with it. I

think you get on with it. One of -- what are your #1i78 Toms now? Mine

are night sweats and bad sleep patterns. I have had a good, I am

very good at sleeping. Lucky you. I am very good at sleeping, but the

first time I had a hot sweat, it did take my by surprise, I kept going,

what's that. What am I sitting on? Am I sitting, it felt like sitting

on a radiator. I was looking round going is everyone else? No, they are

not, they are not hot like me. Do you feel different postmenopausele

as to how you were before? Is that tied up in the breast cancer? No, I

don't really think about the breast cancer. But I think, yes, I think,

it happens and all of the things I used to make jokes about are so

true. You know, just your place in the world and how you feel about

yourself, your general feeling of sexiness and libido, and, and... It

is an indefinable something that you don't have any more. But for me I

feel, I feel completely able to do what I want to do.

In in years past women have often been written off after a certain age

when work and child rearing are at an end. But in the early 21st

century, when the average life expectancy for women is now 81, how

can we best approach this next stage?

Later in the programme, we will be joined by Kirstie and group of other

women to talk about their experiences and Sheila has tweeted

to say I am 72. I have night sweats every two hours every night. Hence

sleep disturbed every night. Doctors responses have been unhelpful. Laura

says I had a pretty easy menopause, I read somewhere that sweet potato

and so I helped so maybe that did help. I did have hot flushes,

sometimes was a bit dippy, finding any good was a nightmare and most

women were on denial. Knew people on HRT but whip they came have been

unhelpful. Laura says I had a pretty easy menopause, I read somewhere

that sweet potato and so I helped so maybe that did help. I did have hot

flushes, sometimes was a bit dippy, finding any good was a nightmare and

most women were on denial. Knew people on HRT but whip they came off

had a menopause. "It makes life difficult. I have been suffering for

four to five years. Not just hot flushes, brain delay, awful,

continually fighting to find the right thing for me on a folic acid

trial at present." Nightmare and most women were on denial. Knew

people on HRT but whip they came off had a menopause. "It makes life

difficult. I have been suffering for four to five years. Not just hot

flushes, brain delay, awful, continually fighting to find the

right thing for me on a folic acid trial at present." Michelle says "I

have just finished a FIA year course of tamoxifen which forces your body

through the menopause, I had cramp and was stuck on the stair, my hot

sweats have had my in a panic I have to move quickly to open air. Even my

specs steam up. I found I was unable to drink alcohol. Not a nice

experience for FIA years of my life." Keep them coming in and we

will talk about it later on on the programme. Also comes up claims that

more than one million pensioners are not receiving the support they are

entitled to. Britain's youngest ever lottery

winner Jane Parks tells us why winning a million at 17 has

ruined her life. It's 9:30.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom Malaysian police have arrested

two more people in connection with the death of Kim Jong-Nam,

the half-brother of North Korean He died after apparently

being attacked at the airport in the Malaysian capital

Kuala Lumpur earlier this week. One of those arrested

was a woman travelling More than three million people

could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking

Vitamin D supplements The study in the British Medical

Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says

the evidence remains inconclusive. Our health correspondent

Dominic Hughes reports. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today,

for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed

as President Trump's The two men will be attending

a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has

indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting

message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in America's

foreign policy positions. Social care for elderly people

is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England,

according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people

are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with essential

daily tasks such as washing, A mother and her teenage son have

been arrested after she allegedly faked her death in Zanzibar

in an attempt to claim Police said the 45-year-old woman's

son and his guardian claimed she had died in a car crash in East Africa

and allegedly provided But instead,

she was living in Canada. The insurance company was unable

to verify the woman's death, refused to pay out on the policy

and contacted police. That's a summary of the latest news.

More from me at 10am. Let's catch up with the sport.

Arsenal's Champions League hopes lie in tatters at the last 16 stagette

again. It follows a 5-1 first leg flashing at Bayern Munich.

Afterwards, manager Arsene Wenger looking concerned, calling it a

night men. Real Madrid beat Napoli in the other game. Craig Lawton will

miss the rest of the six Nations Rugby union after an ankle injury he

picked up against France at the weekend. And it was a great day for

the 15-year-old Jackson page at the Welsh open snooker. He beat Ashley,

meeting the GCSE student gets another couple more days off school.

I will be back just after 10am. Britain's youngest ever lottery

winner says she thought her million pound win would make her life

ten times better. Instead, she says, it's

made it ten times worse. Jane Parks was just 17 and living

with her mum in a two-bedroom flat in Edinburgh when she scooped

the Euromillions prize 4 years ago. She says she's felt overwhelmed

by the win and thinks her life would have been so much

better without it. After winning in 2013,

a documentary was made which followed her first year

as a millionaire. It could've been

any of these people. But on 28th July, 2013,

I was the lucky one. I was standing outside

the shop, so I went back in. And then I just asked

for a lucky dip. Me and none of my pals

buy lottery tickets, so... OK, that's coming up, that one.

Congratulations, ?1 million. Are you joking me?

No, I can see it here on the screen. Then they wanted me

to go to like New York Whereas we're like, let's put some

money in the bank and invest it. No, I would have it

spent before thinking. I'm so bad.

They wouldn't care about the future. They would be like, "Right, let's

just spend it while we're young". That's like giving

somebody a gun, eh? She was sitting here,

where I'm sitting now, crying. Money can't buy happiness,

but it can buy a jet ski and have you ever seen

someone being sad on a jet ski? Money can't bring you,

like, love and that. Like, true friends,

it can't buy you true friends. But it does bring

a certain degree of happiness. I'm delighted to say that Jane is

with us now. I know you were finding that uncomfortable, because that was

a few years ago, and you were really young, 17, and handed ?1 million.

You say that money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a jet

ski and who has been unhappy on a jet ski? Did you feel differently

about the whim at that stage? Watching it back, I feel completely

different. At that stage, it was all about what you could suddenly have,

what had opened up for you, I guess? You had this money, pretty much for

whatever you wanted to get. Looking at that, I thought my

worries were gone. I thought it was going to be amazing.

What did you spend the money on? I have got property, and I have been

out there with some of it, buy a nice things for myself and my

family. But there comes a point when you need to invest it as well.

You have taken sensible decisions, you still have something to show for

it. Do you know how much you have spent on things that do go away, but

leave you with memories, things like holidays?

I wouldn't speak about figures or anything. It is a bit tacky, but I

am comfortable just now. I uncomfortable. -- I am comfortable.

I don't need a job or anything. But you are not happy, you feel the

money hasn't made you happy, it has made you unhappy?

I wouldn't say it has completely ruined my life, what I am trying to

say is that, at times, I felt like I had ruined my life when I was 17.

Now, I think everyone gets days where they feel worse than on other

days. My worst days are normally money situations or money related.

And sometimes, I get these feelings, and think I wish I had never even

won it. For many, money related bad days are

because they don't have enough of it, but for you it is because you

have got to much, what is it? Looking back, it was a ridiculous

amount to have at such a young age. I had no guidance, I was just, like,

wow, I was everywhere. Obviously, as I have got older, it has been more

structured. So I still have money problems, but not the same...

explain what you mean about money problems.

Maybe other folks have money problems, rather than mine in

particular, but like, so maybe, so... if a friend or family member

is having a money difficulty, I can find it really difficult. Every time

someone in my family or my friends are having money difficulties, it is

my position to say that I can sort you out, or is it... ? It is

stressful. Do I say, "Sort yourself out"?

Do you think people expect you to help them out?

That is the expectation. The expectation to say, here, I will

sort you out. You said that you didn't have much

support after the win. Camelot said you had extensive support from them

and a dedicated winner 's adviser visited you at home to pay out the

price, arrange private banking, sort out publicity, and an independent

financial legal team was set up to manage the money. When you are 17, I

guess, do you actually listen to advice? Do you feel that you know

who you are and what you want to do? I didn't understand what they were

talking about. On numerous occasions, I said I didn't

understand it, speaking in front of financial advisers about Bonds, I

said I didn't understand it. It is not about the support at the start,

because it is fine to say they will help at the start, but further on,

I'm just glad I had my family to keep me straight and narrow,

otherwise I could see how easily... do you actually think you shouldn't

have won the money? On days, when I have a good day, I

wouldn't change anything. But there are days when, in my head, I say, I

wish I hadn't won it. What do you miss about your old

life? I wish I didn't have the stress at

such a young age and the pressure on me all the time.

You could just give it all away? Everyone has said that to me.

What people don't understand is that I do have property, I don't have all

this cash lying in my account that I spend every day in life. I am on a

budget as well, and I do put money away. One day, I want a family, and

someone in my family might need that or be dependent, do you know what I

mean? I need to secure a future as well to secure my family as well.

You mentioned the pressures you feel from people around you that are

struggling, and you feel there is an obligation to help, and you struggle

with that, how have your relationships with friends and

families been affected? To be fair, my friends and family

have been really good. I've kept the same friends the whole time. My

family have been so supportive. I wouldn't have had it any other way,

with my family members, because it could have gone horribly wrong.

There will be people watching, thinking, why would you even ever

have a bad day when you have got lots of money, what would you say to

that? When I had first won, I was thinking

that as well. I would never be upset, always having money, I was

thinking that nothing could bring me down, because I could go shopping.

But until I was in the situation, I can't even express to someone how

young my imagination was at 17, and how immature I was, looking back,

and I can't express to someone how it feels unless someone has been in

that situation. The people I have spoken to, they have been in that

situation and they agree with me. People at home struggling with money

right now might feel cross at the TV, saying they would love to have

the problem of too much money. That's not actually my main point,

because before I won the money, I was struggling to make ends meet,

and I was in the same situation as them, working in an office job, to

pay my mum. I was in the same environment. I am trying to say is

now their is no help for young people coming into money -- there's

no help. I just think 17 is too young.

You are really eloquently making the point about the fact that you are

very young, a huge amount of money given in an environment where

everybody around you is in a different boat. It puts you into

quite a different category. And you said about people not really

understanding, how difficult is that in a situation where you feel the

people around you don't understand what you are experiencing and

feeling? It can be difficult. Sometimes, you

don't understand it. I have got to say to people sometimes, give them

examples, and tell them to look from my perspective, put yourself in my

shoes and think about it. Sometimes I feel like some folks don't

understand and they have got it easy. People can look at me and

think staff. The stuff behind it all, it does cause stress.

What would you have done if you hadn't had a lottery win?

Everybody asks me that. I think I would have worked in an office type

of job, or a retail work. My life would be completely different,

anyway. I'm not sure. What do you think the rest of your life will be

like? Do you want a job? I haven't got anything against getting a job.

When I did get a job recently, not recently, but within my win, I got a

job and I got a backlash from it because some folks were saying I

didn't deserve a job. Folks can't get a job that need a job. Folks

were saying that I was dedicated. You are back living in the flat with

your mum? Yes. Why did to you that? I moved out, in a previous

relationship. I feel like I am most settled with my mam. That is where

my house is. Where your heart is. Thank you for coming in.

Parents of children with cystic fibrosis fined for taking their kids

being criticized by a charity and the parents who will have

Many people who struggle with essential daily tasks such

as getting out of bed and eating are not getting the care they need,

The charity says a crisis in social care provision means more

than a million elderly and vulnerable people

in England are not receiving the help they need.

It's a familiar story - and the effects are well documented:

more pressure on hospital beds and family members,

We keep hearing we're on the brink of a social care crisis,

We can now speak to Susan Donnelly who only received the social care

she was entitled to when she sent a legal letter to her local

Chris Maughn's father had to apply twice to get care

despite being so ill he was incapacitated.

Lynne Nobel, who applied for social care in 2015 and despite social

workers and an ombudsman ruling in her favour she should receive

care, there still has been no action by her local authority.

She's joined by her husband and carer Michael.

Here to make sense of this all is the director

of United For All Ages, Stephen Burke.

Thank you all very much for joining us.

Lynn, I want to start can you, you applied for social care more than a

year ago and you still haven't got it. What was your situation, why do

you need the care? Well I have a number of conditions, I have MS, I

have left sided cerebral palsy s I had head injuries from a road Rafik

accident when I was 22, and -- road traffic. I have a lot of physical

problems and cognitive processing problems as well. So I applied in

2015 and I am #12i8 waiting. What has the process being like? It has

been horrendous, there there have been delay, more delay, I have

instigated so many stage one complaints and taken it through and

I am still waiting. It, you would need a lot of stamina basically and

need to know your way round the system to be able to navigate it.

And hopefully at the end of it get something, I am sure that many

thousands of people are put off the whole process. As things stand you

presumably still don't know if or when you might get help? No. I don't

know. There is another complaint has gone into my Local Authority and I

am waiting to hear from them. And Michael, in the meantime, it

puts you under pressure because you are Lynn's career, what is it like?

It's very difficult basically, you just have to just keep plugging on,

you know, plodding on basically, carrying on, because the, you never

know when basically you are going to get help frommure local authority,

and you just have to juggle things and do your best basically. Chris,

you had a big struggle trying to get funding for help for your

80-year-old dad. Tell us more about him, what help he needed? Dad's

suffers with Parkinson's disease, and we, he ended up in a rehab unit,

and that is where we came across continuing health care assessments.

And the assessment was done by the nursing team, and the occupational

therapist, and they basically told us as a family, your dad's not going

to qualify, he doesn't meet the criteria but we will have a family

meeting, and please feel free to say any objections you have got, in our

assessments, findings, which when we did, we were basically just told no,

no, that is not correct, your dad can do stuff for himself, and we had

to make the, the very hard decision to put my dad placed into 24 hours

residential care, and EU on your own, if you don't receive funding,

you have to go and find a care home yourself. And that is, that is

stressful, you don't know, you have to knock on doors, and find these

care home, which I did find a fantastic care home for my dad

called The Lilacs Did you give up on the whole social care thing because

you felt you weren't getting anywhere? Yes, dad count come back

to our house, because we knew we wouldn't be able to cope. We were

told we could only have four visits a day. Thanks Chris, I want to bring

in Susan, because Susan, you got social care but only after you

turned to a lawyer for help, tell us what happened with you. Basically

what happened, under legislation you are supposed to be assessed every

year, for four year, I kept complaining, I phoned up, still

didn't get no joy. . Co-plain because you hadn't had the annual

assessment. That right. What was the situation in the meantime? I was

getting 18 hours care. You needed more. What did you need I had

further health issues that came up and it was an ongoing battle and I

was struggling. For four years you needed more than 18 hours and you

weren't getting the assessment, what happened? I approached a solicitor,

and it was taken out of my hands then, then they decided to come and

down, and it was one of the senior managers that came to to the

assessment and my care package went up from 18-and-a-half hours to 30.

But what a lot of people don't understand, I have actually made

some notes, just to... If you don't mind we won't have time to go

through them but in a nutshell? When people talk about a care package

they don't realise that there is a catch hole in it, because they give

you a timescale, you might have ten minutes to get someone in the

shower. You know, you have health and safety issues the pressure is is

put on the irkaer to make sure that you are safe, that there is no

issues, and it, it just doesn't work out like that a all, you know, how

can you time if I... I hear what you are saying, let us bring in Steven

Burke because he has the overall picture, how often is it happening

that people need help and they just, either not been given assessments or

the whole process is taking a frustratingly long time? We heard

some very real examples of the care crisis? The country, and as Age UK

say 1.2 old emillion older people are missing out. The whole system is

confeudsing, very complex, people don't know where to turn to for

help. The local authorities are meant to provide assessments for

people's needs, they are also meant to assess the needs of family carers

as well. But many people struggle to get those basic rights, the basic

assessments and it is a real postcode lottery. It depends on

where you live and your local authority. Underlying this it is

about funding. We have a big shortfall in funding, big cuts in

social care funding over the last six years, while demand is

increasing. People are living longer. But it is, obviously there

are two parts of the same issue, it is different in that even if there

was all the money in the world, to be funding it. If people are

struggling to navigate a complex system, they are still not getting

help when they need it, whether the money is there or not. The system

could be made easier, there are people to help you through it and

you can approach some of the national charities like Age UK or

Independence Age or your local Age UK can provide you with advice and

information but we need to make it simpler, some of the carers

charities help provide... I want to get to the bottom of why it is

complex. It is necessarily complex because people, very careful

assessments have to be made to work out who is eligible for what, and

that takes some time, but where does the complexity come in that might be

able to be stripped out, if that is case? We need to make it easier for

people to approach their local authority, but the other part is

local authorities are becoming more defensive and increasing the gate

keeping because they don't have the resources to meet the needs of

people approaching them. So older people need to challenge that, their

families need to challenge that, they needed a cats to help them

challenge it and in some cases legal challenges. So are you saying that

some authorities deliberately are using the complicated system to get

out of having to pay for social care? Yes, there is no question

about that. Local authorities should be providing assessments for

everyone who approaches them and providing advice and information to

them. Lynn, you were nodding at that, I mean obviously we don't know

what your situation is with your local authority but you are

frustrated by what is happening for you. I want to read an e-mail from

Charles who say I am 86 and a career to my disabled wife. We have no

living relatives. We have one good neighbour, we had a social worker

who was lovely. She looked after Frances when I was in hospital,

visited me and took her own Christmas dinner to traps is when I

was in over one Christmas, the fact, Lynn, to you as well Michael, the

fact you have got each other, the fact that Michael is there, do you

feel that that, I mean it not right to say it would be, it is sort of

gives you a safety net, does that sort of, do you think that might be

a factor in when things are taking time, you know, there is somebody

there who is helping you at least? Well, Michael has his own health

issues which haven't been taken into consideration. And basically, I came

out of hospital on 13th September, after a nine hour operation, and the

day before, Social Services apparently sent me a letter, saying

that they had withdrawn my allocation to my social worker and

all my services had been refused and once I had recuperated, after this

operation, which was neatly followed by a bilateral pneumonia, I could

apply again. And Michael was working 24 hours

round-the-clock, I couldn't do anything for myself. I couldn't etch

access the bed for three weeks, Michael had to sleep on a two seater

settee and I on a three seater settee, purely because I couldn't

get into the bed. I couldn't do anything, dress, anything. Do you

feel like you can carry on like this? Well, no. No we can't, no. No.

There is a limit. To what you can cope with. You were very tired.

Michael was very tired. Working 24 hours, seven days a week is, is not

good for anybody, especially not for somebody who is nearly 72 and has,

as I say, his own health issues any way. Sure, what will you do? Well,

we are still challenging the, the system. And we are not going to give

up, because there are a million people in our position. That are

entitled to care and support package, but are currently not

getting it. Thank you all very much for joining

Thank you all very much for joining us and telling us.

The Department of Health told us that they recognise the pressures

of an ageing population, adding:

Well, according to a new study, for three million of us it might.

Carol. I can't see you Carol. Are you there? You are not here? You are

not missing much. Good morning. Good morning to you too. This morning

what we have is a bit of cloud but the cloud already breaking up, some

of us have started with some sunshine, some of us have yet to see

it. We have some rain in Scotland, strong winds here, rain in Northern

Ireland, as we head on through the course of the afternoon and as we

head through the evening and overnight that rain will push into

Wales, northern -- northern England. Behind it for Scotland and northern

England a cold night. There will be frost round, patchy fog, and ahead

of it, in southern England we will see some patchy fog but not as much

as we thought this time yesterday. So that leads us into tomorrow. The

fog will lift, then for northern and North East parts we will see

sunshine, elsewhere we start off on a cloudy note but like today, the

cloud will turn over, some of us will see sunshine s out to the west

we are going to see a few more showers, and despite the fact you

can see temperatures between eight and 11 with some of us we could set

12 or 13, possibly more in that mild trend continuing into the weekend

and the early part of next Police arrest a third person

in connection with the apparent poisoning

of Kim Jong-nam, half-brother of

North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un. And the youngest ever winner

of EuroMillions has told this There's days when I feel

like, I wish I hadn't. But there are days when I

have a good day, like, I But there's days where in my head,

I say, I wish I hadn't won it. And you can see the full

interview with Jane Parks And why is so hard to talk

about the menopause? The first time I had a hot sweat,

it did take me by surprise. I kept going, "What's that,

what am I sitting on?" We'll also talk about HRT,

and the contradictions around Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Police in Malysia have now arrested

a total of three people in connection with the suspected

poisoning of the North Korean They are reported to be a woman

identified on CCTV footage and her boyfriend.

Kim Jong Nam was taken ill waiting for a flight in Kuala Lumpur.

The South Korean government claim North Korean agents were responsible

as Kevin Kim explains. The person detained was carrying

an Indonesian passport, but North Korean agents

are known for travelling So it's quite likely

an investigation may Earlier, Malaysian authorities

released a photo taken from a security camera,

who was thought to be The South Korean Spy Agency

believe it may have been A colour image of

a young Asian woman with heavy

make-up and casual clothes, several other members believed to be

part of the same group are being pursued according

to local media. More than three million people

could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking

Vitamin D supplements The study in the British Medical

Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says

the evidence remains inconclusive. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today

for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed

as President Trump's The two men will be attending

a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has

indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting

message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in

America's foreign policy positions. President Trump, meanwhile,

has suffered another set-back in his efforts to finalise

the line-up of his cabinet. His choice for Labor Secretary,

Andrew Puzder, has withdrawn from the nomination process

after several Republican senators Mr Puzder has admitted that he once

employed a housekeeper who wasn't Social care for elderly people

is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England,

according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people

are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with daily tasks

such as washing, eating The Government says it recognises

the pressures on the system and is working on a long term,

sustainable solution. Britain's most senior judge has

criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50

court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before

the formal process for leaving The present of the Supreme Court

Lord Neuberger also accused politicians of not being quick

enough to defend the judicial process.

A mother and teenage son have been arrested after she allegedly

faked her death in Zanzibar in a bid to claim ?140,000

Police said the 45-year-old woman's son and his guardian claimed she had

died in a car crash in East Africa and allegedly provided

But instead, she was actually living in Canada.

The insurance company was unable to verify the woman's death,

refused to pay out on the policy and contacted police.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News. More at 10:30.

We will talk about menopause in a few moments. Lynn on Facebook, seven

years of mood swings and my family living with a monster one minute and

a mother and wife the next. The doctor was useless, having tried

HRT, and developed lumps in my breast, herbal remedies made it

slightly better. No libido has affected my marriage, but we are

working through it. Teen on Facebook, can cope with the hot

flushes, it is the insomnia and forgetfulness. -- Tina.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

Use the hashtag, #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you will be charged

There's been an update this morning on the future of Arsene Wenger.

BBC Sport understands the club will wait until the end

of the season before making a decision on his future.

Last night they had a torrid result in the first knockout stage

of the Champions League - they were thrashed 5-1

Arjen Robben opened the scoring with this strike.

Arsenal's Alexis Sanchez eventually put in the rebound from his own

Bayern were simply too good for Arsenal

in the the second half, two goals from Thiago mean Arsenal

now face elimination at the last 16 stage for the seventh

The problems we faced after the third goal. We lost our organisation

and we looked mentally jaded and vulnerable from that moment onwards.

The last 25 minutes a nightmare for us.

Arsenal weren't helped by injury to their captain

Laurent Koscielny, whilst saves from goalkeeper David Ospina stopped

On BBC Radio 5live, journalist Henry Winter gave his view

This is a crime of call -- chronicle of death foretold. The owner doesn't

commute Kate with fans and is sleepwalking towards the abyss. We

have got a manager in Arsene Wenger whose best days are behind him.

Everyone can see that. Even the faithful at Arsenal can really see

that this is a manager overtaken by Conte, copper and other managers.

You have a lack of leadership on the pitch as well, Koscielny with

Sanchez has been one of macro as well few leaders. -- too few

leaders. Arsene Wenger has lost his leadership skills, and there is no

invincible streak in Arsene Wenger any more, no invincible streak in

the team any more. 11 time winners Real Madrid came

from behind to beat Napoli Brazilian midfielder Casemiro scored

the pick of the goals There has been a blow to Scotland

hopes in the six Nations. Greg Laidlaw has been ruled out for the

rest of the tournament. He suffered an ankle injury last weekend, and

although he managed to walk off, the scrum-half sustained ligament

damage. Defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan

is out of snooker's Welsh Open after losing 4-3 to Mark Davis

in the second round. Meanwhile, a 15 year old schoolboy

will have to take more time Jackson Page had to get

permission to be off school to play John Astley,

and now he's into the third Good news for him. Congratulations.

That is all the sport for now. Two more suspects have this morning

been arrested in connection with the killing of the North Korean

leader's brother in Malaysia. Kim Jong-nan is thought to have been

poisoned as he waited to board The detention of the Indonesian

woman and Malaysian man follows the earlier arrest of another woman,

apparently from Vietnam. In a moment we'll be talking

to a political analyst in Korea, but first, this is

what we know so far. We are now joined via webcam

from Seoul by Seong-Hyon Lee, from the Sejong Institute -

a leading South Korean think tank that researches national

security and unification. North Korea is actually claiming

he's not even dead, it's all part of a plot to discredit the regime in

North Korea. What is your perspective on what has happened

here? I think we still have to wait and

see, but then, I think the background is interesting here. The

job administration in the US is in the process of coming up with the

kind of policy to take to North Korea. The North Korean and ship...

there will be a fraction of strategies that do not negotiate

with North Korea because North Korea is unstable. There are details

missing from the narrative that we have heard about so far.

On the matter of power struggles, it is being said

It has been said there was a previous assassination attempt and

he wrote to Kim Jong-un and begged him to spare him. He said he had no

ambitions and was living in exile. So why would Kim Jong-un be

convinced apparently that there was some sort of plot? My understanding

is that there has to be a standing order, to kill his older brother,

and the timing is interesting. There is a lot of speculation but my

understanding is that timing is not an issue really because there has

been a standing order to kill him or assassinate him. Also it has to do

with the character of the dictator in North Korea who wants to make

sure that even though Kim Jong-Nam doesn't have any power base in North

Korea, he just wants to make sure that no stone is unturned. He wants

to get rid of him, and wants to be without the presence of his elder

brother who could pose, a threat coming is taken seriously by his

paranoid younger brother, the dictator. It says North Korea is

trying to resist their being a postmortem. Can they control and

manage this? It depends on the power struggle between different

stakeholders. They are trying to get more information about the party of

Kim Jong-un so that they can have that intelligence on the ground and

find out what will happen. But my understanding is that one Malaysian

authority announced that, given the passport which belongs to North

Korea, Kim Jong-Nam is a North Korean citizen. I think they will

repatriate him. There are governments in Seoul, Tokyo and

Beijing and they want to have as much information as possible about

the dead person's identity and relative information as well. Thank

you very much. Now the menopause happens to every woman so why is it

something that we talk about so little? With women living on average

30 years after it what's the best way to deal with this change to our

bodies? A new documentary by Kirsty Wark who herself went through it

after having a hysterectomy is on tonight. It takes an unflinching

look at the menopause and asks if women who suffer side-effects have

been needlessly denied hormone replacement therapy figures. The

most common treatment for menopausal symptoms is hormone replacement

therapy, HRT, it helps replace the oestrogen lost when ovaries stop

producing eggs. It can be taken through patches, a gel, or tablets.

But it has been hard to work out if it is wise to take HRT. This is due

to the confusion ignited by the publication of the women's health

initiative study in America back in 2002. The study casts serious doubt

on the safety of HRT. One study cancelled, says the Guardian, HRT

does more harm than good, in 2002, 2008, new cancer fear for women

taking HRT, and then, HRT is safe for millions of women again. 1

million women could benefit from HRT. This is why it is all so

confusing. I was using HRT tablets for three years after my

hysterectomy but I stopped suddenly like so many women because of this

scare. So in 2002 the results of the women's health get study came out

and it suggested that being on HRT hugely increased your chances of

breast cancer, even if you had been taking it for a short periods are a

lot of women stopped because of this risk. Lots with no discussion with a

health professional, they stopped cold turkey. People stopped coming

to ask for HRT and GPs became It's a vicious circle. Circle.

Subsequent research suggested that the analysis of the data was flawed

and that the findings were overstated but these more positive

reappraisals received nothing like the same publicity as the original

square. More up-to-date research has attempted to offer clarification of

the risks involved. The insiders guide to the menopause

is on at 9.00 tonight for viewers in Scotland and for everyone on the

iPlayers. Julie Chandler who experienced

severe menopause side effects, thank you all welcome. Kirstie, like so

many normal things that we go through, we don't actually foe that

much about it until something happens to you and then you think

why didn't I know? People will be experiencing symptoms not knowing

they are symptoms of menopause. That is is right. The idea that something

called low mood affects a lot of women who go to their GPs and some

don't prescribe antidepressants but some do. That is not the treatment

that you should be having. And it is the very fact we don't discuss it

and we all go through it, usually round the age of 50. Height of

careers, and it is a taboo. I want everybody to say look we need to

talk about it, deal with it and various treatments that women are

entitled to. You say, people going through it at height of career now,

no-one likes to expose something that look like a weakness and a

vulnerability. Absolutely. There is that perception. You know what I am

not sure it would be the same if all men went through it. What do you

think Let us ask the man. What do you think? I have been through the

menopause. And survived. We do have them but not quite the same. Let us

talk about your experiences. Kirstie you had an instant menopause. I had

to have a hysterectomy. My consultant said you are having one,

do you want to keep your ovaries and ovarian cancer is very much a hidden

killers I had my kids, and I wasn't going to be having any more. I

thought, no I am going, it is all going, it went, so instantly I went

into menopause so the next morning, straight after I started taking HRT.

And it worked? It did. I felt great. And then, two things happened. There

was the study, the big study in America but a friend of mine who was

on HRT for ten years and had a precancerous breast lump and was

told best to get off it. That makes you feel nervous and worried so I

went cold turkey -- hurt I can. Diane you had the ovarian cancer

scare, so you had the hysterectomy, instant menopause, what was it like

for you? Pretty hideous, that is mainly because I hadn't been given

the information I needed. Were you not given any warning about what

would happen? I had my Health Service recollect meh and I left the

hospital after two days but I wasn't given any information. I was told to

see my GP in a few weeks' time, which I did but unfortunately my mum

had had ovarian cancer, so I was aware there was a type of HRT, but

it was not one that I was willing to take, because of the way it was

made. It is animal derived. Thankfully it is quite restricted in

its use now in the UK, but I didn't realise there was a second body

identical type of HRT, and so for that reason, I chose to go and see a

clinic and take some, try and take herbs and minerals which was never

going to do it for somebody in my position who had had their ovaries

removed but no, there was no information for me about that, so,

eventually, when things got really hideous, and a lot of it for me was

emotional and mental, I ended up essentially in a really deep, dark

place, where I considered taking my own life, and at that point, my

husband picked me up, took me to the doctors, which he had been trying to

persuade me to do for ages but I was terrified because I thought they

would put me on anti-depleasants. Went back to the doctor, she said

you have a choice there is a second type of HRT, it is plant derived. It

is body identical. Why did it take so long? It takes thatening long,

there are, I run an organisation now call menopause support, which

supports women and I speak to women every week, of every day, who are

struggling to get the right information or they are turning up

at the surgery and the GP doesn't know what to tell them. Julie, you

also had early surgical menopause because of ovarian cancer, did it

feel like a taboo to you, when you suddenly were plunged into

menopause? Well, I had my ovaries out as a preventative because I was

at high risk of cancer, it was a terrible shock for me in terms of

the symptoms I had. I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't have

information. I had to fight to get HRT. I was led to believe by my

genetic councillor who supported me through the surgeries I would be put

on HRT but my surgeon and GP said I had BRCA2 positive jeans. Like some

of your other -- genes. The symptoms were unbelievable. There was no way

I could function as a normal professional woman going about her

life without some sort of help and having tried everything out there,

like one of your guests in the studio, there was nothing else that

was doing anything to help the symptoms, and I needed something

serious that was going to help me and finally I managed to get on the

HRT which put everything back to normal again. Is Janice, I mean, it

sounds like talking obviously to these women, and many others out

there, that HRT is a no brainer but it has been through controversies.

It has, but I agree, I think it is a no-brainer for women, and I am a

clinician, I see women coming who are doing the dance of the

desperate. The quality of life is shocking, particularly professional

women, they are no functioning at the level they were before and HRT

can transform their life, as well as that, they are getting protection

against cardiovascular disease and it is looking after their bones, I

think it's a no brainer that women who are having symptoms the and are

feeling lousy should be going on to hormone replacement therapy. What

Kirstie said is right, that the scandal that it has happened against

women because of the study that came out in 2002, we have this whole

generation of GPs and doctors in training who will not prescribe HRT,

they are terrified of it. Fortunately the pendulum is swinging

back and women are getting more information, they are desperate and

getting more educated. They have been deprived of hormone replacement

therapy and I think is scandalous. The Nice guidelines that came out in

town 15 say every woman should have individual liced care from their GP.

Any woman needs to go to their GP and sit there and sit there until

they get some positive advice. Because women don't go because they

don't think there is anything for them. You are not so convinced by

HRT? I am convinced by HRT as a cure for some of the symptoms, But you

are concerned about the side effects. Women with serious symptoms

need HRT. They should take it. But it does carry risk, if you look at

the epidemiology properly you can't say it protects against

cardiovascular disease, because it doesn't. That aside though, whether

you think it protects against something else or not, that is not a

harm. What? You sayer owe questioning whether it protect

against cardios vascular disease. It increases the risks of stroke and

the risk of MI. By how much That is the thing you have said that and

there are millions of woman who will say maybe I shouldn't have is it. It

is about quality of life. I agree with you. Completely about quality

of life. But what it says it is protects against that disease, it

doesn't. It pro#1r50ids if taken at the time of ovarian failure and you

know that, the zudys the mean age was 63. I have ever in as a

clinician started HRT in a woman at 63. You start at the time of

menopause, if do you that you provide some protection against

cardiovascular disease. We did a study, we took the submission who

had done smallish trials, random miced to HRT or not and they were

all menopausal, aged 50. They were taking HRT. If you pull the studies

together of which there are 300 and we published this, there is a small

increase in cardiovascular disease which is the same as the increase in

cardiovascular disease the WHI study showed. It St the case that it does

not protect against cardiovascular disease at the very best. The big

initial controversy was about risk, breast cancer risk, and that has

now, the guidance on that has been changed. Yes because there is a

strong vested interest to believe HRT is safe. You don't believe it?

It causes breast cancer. No, no, no. You cannot say, you can't put out a

statement that says that HRT causes breast cancer. It does not cause

breast cancer, you would know that better than I. You are talking about

HRT causing breast cancer, I don't believe it is, o boos thety is a

much bigger risk far for. It is not. I am an academic, I have done

research trials, and I think if you are a clinician, dealing with women

then you have to appreciate improving quality of life, improving

longevity and not scaremongering women about the risk. I want to

bring in some comments. We are getting so many,ing about that

point. I am an academic, I have done research trials, and I think if you

are a clinician, dealing with women then you have to appreciate

improving quality of life, improving longevity and not scaremongering

women about the risk. I want to bring in some comments. We are

getting so many,ing about that point. Hayley says "I am 42. I

suffered premenopausal symptoms and doctors should provide nutritional

advice. I changed all my foods and have no symptoms, I had no support

from doctors or help. How much training in nutrition do doctors

get.". Jan said I had terrible flushes. I had other symptoms which

have lessoned or gone. Carol said I went through the menopause at 52.

Fortunately I didn't suffer too badly with hot flush, I am 64. I

have had no libido, I have not been able to have intercows because it is

painful. Karen says I was having 12-15 hot flushes in 24 hours. It

woke me up through the night. I am taking natural pills, it has cut my

hot flushes in half and I am sleeping through the night. Susan

say I have been on HRT for 23 years. It is the only thing that works. I

used to have hot flushes and sweats every half hour sometimes. People

are saying, people will have different things that work. There is

no silver bullet, nor are there identical symptoms. The one I didn't

know about was joint pain. I interviewed a woman who was a great

runner, and suddenly she had joint pain and she was only in her mid

40s. She couldn't believe it. It was an early menopausal symptom. Why

aren't we told this? It is as if you are at school, you are taught about

puberty and someone says is half way through your life you will

experience different things, no-one is told and we are 51% of the

population. And now, I mean, that is the thing,

you have done this documentary, to get people talking about it. Get

people thinking about it. Why do you think it has taken so long? This is

a male dominated world, I don't know. It is right. Education in

schools, universities and whatever, we don't talk enough about the

menopause. That is is a terrible thing.

Do we self police a bit? The fear of revealing something about yourself?

Absolutely. And also the fact is that some women have these huge mood

swings. Senior colleagues of mine said a red mist offence and their

family were mortified. It is so debilitating. We need to deal with

these things as well. For those women and their families, and

friends, it is very difficult. We need to talk about this stuff. And

partners. I have spoken to men, they will say,

I think my wife... I think my wife is going mad. She's not going mad.

Menopausal symptoms are very often emotional. It is not flushes. That

is the thing that particularly doctors find difficult to recognise.

That is why so many women end up on antidepressants. For families, for

couples, for relationships, libido changes, nobody wants to talk about

a lack of sex drive, and that is a huge part of this puzzle. If we

talked about it earlier, kids could help their mums. I didn't realise

that my mother went through an early menopause at 46 when I was 16, what

a combination that was, adolescent and menopause! LAUGHTER

You are right. It is good to talk. It really is. We

have got people talking at home, getting in touch on it.

Thank you very much all of you. Keep your thoughts coming in. Loads of

comments from you already, and we would love to hear more.

Parents of children with cystic fibrosis fined for taking their kids

We speak to one family and the charity offering

And we'll be talking Emma Freud, the scriptwriter and director

of Love Actually, as the cast return for a one off

I cannot wait for that. We will find out what is happening with all our

favourite characters. With the News, here's Ben

in the BBC Newsroom. Police in Malaysia have arrested two

more people in connection with the death of the half-brother

of North Korean leader King Jong-Un. They're reported to be a woman

identified from CCTV Another woman was

arrested yesterday. Kim Jong-nam was taken ill

and later died, after apparently being attacked on Monday

while waiting for a flight in The South Korean government

claims North Korean agents Chinese state TV has just broadcast

footage of one suspect in the investigation

being driven away from a police The woman in the yellow top getting

into the car is believed to be one However, this has not

yet been verified. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson today,

for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed

as President Trump's The two men will be attending

a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has

indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting

message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in America's

foreign policy positions. Social care for elderly people

is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England,

according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people

are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with daily tasks

such as washing, eating The Government says it recognises

the pressures on the system and is working on a long term,

sustainable solution. Britain's most senior judge has

criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50

court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before

the formal process for leaving The President of the Supreme Court,

Lord Neuberger, also accused politicians of not being

quick enough to defend That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom Arsenal will wait until the end of

the season to make a decision on their manager Arsene Wenger. That

follows a huge first leg thrashing at Bayern Munich, it finished 5-1 in

the Champions League. Real Madrid beat Napoli 3-1 in their first leg,

this is the pick of the goals. Greg Laidlaw will miss the rest of the

six Nations with an ankle injury, picked up in the defeat by France at

the weekend. Finally, Mercedes have announced another technical

director, James Allison, formerly of curare and Renault, filling the role

left by Paddy Lowe. More after 11am. The controversial practice

of issuing fines to parents who take their children out

of school to go on holiday during term time is being criticised

by a charity who say that even the parents of children with serious

illness like cystic fibrosis are being told they will have

to pay the penalties. We can speak now to Hannah

Lindley, who was able to enjoy one last holiday

with her sister Iona before The holiday was taken during term

time, but no fine was issued in that Laurie Howard who runs

a charity that gives grants for sufferers of Cystic Fibrosis to

go on holiday with their families, Nazleen Ebrahim,

who did face a fine when she took her son Raihan on holiday,

Raihan also has cystic fibrosis. From Nottingham, we can also speak

to Lewis Wagner an assistant Thank you all for joining us. Tell

us what happened, because you were fined for taking your son out of

school during term time, why did you do it?

He had cystic cypresses -- has. We have days when he is well enough to

travel, and not. For the first couple of years of his life, he was

not permitted to travel at all. So we took permission from the doctor,

took him, and he was well enough to travel. Once we got the go-ahead

from the doctors, we thought, that's fine. So we booked a flight four

days prior to departing. We booked a flight for 10th of December 2015, so

it was going to overlap the Christmas holidays anyway, flying

out for 14 days. We spoke to the teacher, and they said it is

understandable, if all is well and he has the go-ahead from his doctor.

We went on holiday, had an amazing time. We came back, received a

letter through the post from the council to say we had been fined. At

that point, I was shocked and confused. So I went to the school,

and they said we would have two approach the council. So we

approached the council. -- have two approach. The council said it was

the school's discretion to find us. It is, it is at the discretion of

the school whether you are able to take your child out. What you are

experiencing is what the families of other children have experience. But

because your son has cystic fibrosis, is it financial or

practical consideration? It is all aspects. The practical

aspect and medical basis, the fact that he might not be well enough to

travel, it is very difficult to be able to foresee what is going to

happen, even in the following weeks. So I can't plan a holiday ahead,

even months in advance, because you never know what is around the

corner. Hannah, I mentioned that your sister

very sadly died of cystic fibrosis, but before she died, your family

managed to go on a holiday, and the school was compassionate about that.

Yeah, the school were really supportive. They fully understood

why it was so important that we went on holiday together as a family. I

have got a little brother and a little sister, and for them, when we

came out, that is when she became critically ill and died. That

holiday is the last happy memory they have got with Iona. The cystic

fibrosis holiday fund helped us with grants to go, and they wouldn't have

those happy memories without that. Coming back and getting fired, and

the stress of sorting that out, it would have been impossible to deal

with that because Iona was so critically ill that she nearly died

when we got home. In that situation, there needs to be leniency, because

you can't help the circumstances. You can't make a change.

The situation, as described, it is difficult to work out when you need

to go, because of health considerations, is that why you went

in terms time? Why did you go in terms time?

At that point, that was when Iona was well. With cystic fibrosis, the

issue you face, really, is it is a massive unknown. You can be

completely fine one way, and within a couple of weeks, you can be dead.

You have to seize the opportunity whilst you have got the opportunity,

just do it. Everything else has to be put on hold.

Let's bring in Lewis Wagner, you are assistant head at a secondary

school, what do you think about term time holidays?

From the standpoint of education, we are primarily there to ensure that

education happens, and that can only happen with good attendance by

students. The policy is clear from the government regulations, and

state that you had to apply to a head teacher if you wish to be

considered for exceptional circumstances to take a child out of

school. The school will make sure the policy is followed... on cystic

fibrosis specifically and other serious conditions, should that

always automatically be a special condition? And permission given?

A case-by-case basis, you apply to the headteacher for the exceptional

circumstances. I imagine, with cystic fibrosis being the condition

it is, it is something that would be taken into consideration. It is nice

to hear from the people you have there that the school was

supportive. In one case, it was, but in the

other, there was a fine. What do you think about a fine?

The fine was from the local authority, and I correct in saying?

Yeah. The school is not necessary for the fine, it is for ensuring

attendance and unauthorised absence. I can't speak on the half of that

local authority, unfortunately. You are with the cystic fibrosis

holiday fund, how much parents of kids with cystic fibrosis fined for

taking them out of school in term time?

It feels like a bit of a postcode lottery. Some councils issued tens

of thousands of pounds of fines and councils that don't issue any fined

at all. It isn't a problem we have experienced with everybody, but it

is a problem that is coming up with more frequency. As we have started

recently organising fully paid holidays, as opposed to the grants

we have given in the past to families to help a four-day holiday,

some of the fully paid holidays given are in term time. More and

more families have said to us, being able to take a fully paid for

holiday of a lifetime because they might be fined on their return.

It is a slightly controversial position, putting out fully paid for

holidays in term time, encouraging parents to break guidelines.

We didn't think so. We thought with cystic fibrosis it would be pretty

clear for children with a disease that is ultimately terminal and

never goes away. Parents are spending hours and hours every day

giving physiotherapy, and children are taking tens of different drugs

every day to keep going. There is no break from that. It didn't seem

controversial to us as a charity to be able to support term time

holidays to families that wanted them. But it seems that it is, in

just a few cases, an issue. Hannah? The amount of treatment you have got

to do, for something like cystic fibrosis, before Iona died, she had

that much medication, should we could not get it within a 24-hour

period. You just want to get away from it all, some things where you

can shut the door, possibly forget a little bit about it, and have a

little bit of a break. What about the issue of damaging a

child's education because the Department of Health points out

there are 13 weeks of holiday across the academic year, evidence shows

that every day of school mist can affect a child's chances of

achieving good GCSEs and it has a lasting effect on their life

choices. Can we foreso has the a future, it

is very important education should be, it is everyone's parity but at

the same time, the importance of family, and to be loved and to have

the support off each other and to have memories with each other, sort

of balance it out. Education is a priority, every parents' but the

wellbeing and just the mental support that you can give to a

child, that is fighting a constant battle on a daily basis where every

morning, evening at night we are spending two to three hours on

medication and nebulisers and physiotherapy equipment. It is very

easy to sort of brush it as a stays tick and other children as a

statistic with cystic fibrosis with the same brush and say, well, all

children have to comply, but there is an umbrella policy and surely

there should be some sort of compromise, as far as children that

have these special circumstances. Lewis Wagner, when you are talking

about life chances in terms of education, and you hear about the

life chances of these kids, struggling with very difficult

conditions, and their families endiring that with them, can you

even equate those two? I think one of the things about being a teacher.

We are caring, it is a caring profession and we understand the

difficulties that are associated with conditions like cystic fibrosis

and we are very aware of the lifestyle that they may have to live

as a result of this, which is why as part of the regulation, one of the

things that is there that head teachers can grant these term time

absences, they can make sure they are authorised rather than

unauthorised, in exceptional circumstances. Thank you all very

Thank you all very much for coming in.

Three million of us could stave off colds and flu each year if we took

That's according to new research published

It studied 11,000 people and Found that a daily dose

of the sunshine vitamin can protect against acute

But Public Health England said evidence on Vitamin D

is inconsistent and that this study does not provide sufficient evidence

"to support recommending Vitamin D for reducing the risk of respiratory

Let's talk now to nutritionist Jenny Rosborough.

And also to Professor who is head of nutritional services at the

University of Surrey. Thank you for joining us. Tell us a bit more,

first of all, Jenny, about the benefits you think there may be on

vitamin D? So this particular research is looking at the benefits

of a supplementation of vitamin department on respiratory tract

infections like cold or flu, but we know that the proven consistent

evidence of vitamin D is much more round bone and muscle health. That

what our current recommendations are based on. Should everyone take it?

If there is a suggestion it helps, it won't cause you any harm? On in

excess it will cause harm but not in the amounts found in

supplementation. The recommendation is that even should take a

supplement in the winter months and in autumn, because we get a lot of

vitamin D from sunshine, obviously in the UK we don't get a lot that at

this time of the year, and for those population groups at risk they

should take them the whole year round, so people with darker skin or

who aren't exposed to sunlight as much. Susan, what do you think about

this research? Very much agree with your press conference speaker, it is

a very nice piece of work, that has been done by a very reputable group,

in London. It is a met a analysis, it is pulling together randomised

controlled trial, one of the interesting things with the study is

it shows the greatest effect in those who have a vitamin D status

less than 25 perlitre, that is what was... Sorry, put that in lay

person's language then. That is kind of like the cut off point for very

low vitamin D status, so what the study showed was the effect, it was

greatest in those with this very low level of vitamin D status and was

most ebeneficial in those who were taking a vitamin D supplement on a

daily or weekly basis, rather than a large bolus dose, a very large

amount taken at one time. OK. In terms of the best way to get vitamin

D, if you want it is it's a supplement, how else can you get it?

Apart from the sunlight and even that is tricky, in the summer we are

covering ourself in sun tan lotion, covering up because we are worried

about skin cancer risk so supplementation is what is