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moving across the south and by then milder conditions into the south,

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but still pretty cool in the north. It's Monday. I'm Victoria

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Derbyshire. The independent inquiry into child

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sex ulg abuse finally holds its first public hearings.

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I thought the idea of being flogged in the middle of the night by a

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sadistic drunken cottage mother with an ironing cord was the norm. This

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this inquiry is capable of opening some of that truth then that's a

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good thing. And that inquiry begins

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at 1030 and we'll bring An Oscars moment to rank among

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the most infamous in history. La La Land was mistakenly

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named as best picture. But minutes later the honour

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was given to Moonlight. Thousands of patients are feared

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to have been harmed after the NHS mislaid more than half a million

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pieces of confidential medical correspondence,

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including cancer test results Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

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with a summary of today's news. The independent inquiry into child

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sexual abuse in England public hearings today,

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more than two and a half years after it was set

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up by the government. It will begin by examining

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the mistreatment of British children in care or from poor families

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who were sent to Australia in the The inquiry will be told

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that the scale of abuse they suffered was much wider

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than previously thought. Organisers of this year's Oscars say

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they're still trying to work out how the ceremony ended in chaos,

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after the wrong film The Hollywood musical

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La La Land was mistakenly revealed as the winner,

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but during the acceptance speeches it was discovered the award should

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have gone to Moonlight, which is a drama about a gay black

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youth coming to terms The firm that counts the votes,

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PriceWaterhouseCoopers, has apologised, saying

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there was a mix-up with The NHS has mislaid more than half

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a million items of patients' confidential medical correspondence,

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including treatment plans The documents, sent between GPs

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and hospitals over a period of five years, did not

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reach their recipients because they were mistakenly stored

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in a warehouse by private company The government is facing calls

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from Conservative MPs to scrap plans to limit access

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to a key disability benefit. It's thought changes to the rules

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on who qualifies for the personal independence payment

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could affect around 160,000 people. It comes as a key aide

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to Theresa May said were needed to roll back the bizarre

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decisions of tribunals. The mobile phone company

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Nokia is bringing back one of its most famous

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models, the 3310. The company has struggled to compete

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in the smartphone era, but it hopes there'll be a demand

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for a simple phone with a battery The handset was first

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launched in 2000, That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Thank you. And thank you to you for

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your messages on the state of your children's schools. We were talking

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about this at the start of the programme. Some schools with

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tightened budgets and others getting more money because of changes in the

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way the government is funding schools in England. Karen says there

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are more children in schools which now house children to 18 years of

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age, so I think the increase is not proportionate to the increasing

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provision. Matt says how about funding all schoolkids fairly

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instead of giving some far more than the education budget? And Jonathan

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says the UK education system is a shambles and a mess and it is only

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our children who will suffer. I am going to home due to my kids once

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they have finished primary school. Reyes says I know a lot of school

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funding is wasted. Schools need to be much more careful in the way they

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set their budgets. I believe schools could still operate efficiently and

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effectively on less money and pupils could still reach their full

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potential of the budget is not wasted. Thank you for those and keep

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getting in touch. You are very welcome, as you know. Text messages

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are charged at the standard network rate. Jessica is back now with the

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sport. Starting with football. Manchester United have

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won their first piece silverware of the season,

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clinching the EFL Cup after a 3-2 The Saints were the better side

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for long periods of the game, and in fact they had a goal

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disallowed early on. Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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put United 1-0 up. Just after the break,

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Southampton levelled the game at 2-2 Who else but Ibrahimovic

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to score the winner It's caused manager Jose Mourniho

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to call for help from the club's fans, to ensure Ibrahimovic stays

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another season at the club. I don't beg for players but if

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needed I think maybe United fans can go to the door of his house and stay

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there, and stay there all night if needed. I think they will go Fish

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oil. It is a big disappointment of course. Today, it was a quality

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game. A third hat trick in 9 games

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for Tottenham striker Harry Kane helped his side to a 4-0 win over

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Stoke, and move them up to second Kane completed his treble in just 23

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minutes in the first half, as Spurs made it 8 wins in a row

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at White Hart Lane. It's led manager Pochettino

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to describe the striker England's rugby union

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head coach Eddie Jones, never shy of speaking his mind,

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has criticised Italy's tactics against his side

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in their Six Nations match. Jones says Italy's

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decision not to compete England were left bamboozled

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by Italy's approach, as they slumped to 10-5 down

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at half time. But five second-half tries ensured

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England were not left horribly 17 wins on the bounce for England,

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but Jones was not impressed. Well, it wasn't rugby. Let's face

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the facts. You've got to have an offside line to play the game. Italy

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was smart and congratulations to their coaching staff and the

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players, they executed that and played brilliantly but it wasn't

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rugby. If I was a BBC will be asking the RFU for their money back because

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you haven't had a rugby game. We will have to go outside and train

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now so you get some proper rugby. European Championship

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silver medallist and 2012 Olympian Roberto Pavoni has

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retired from swimming. He came second in the 400m

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individual medley in the 2014 European Championships in Berlin,

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also taking bronze in Pavoni will now take up a career

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in coaching in the sport. That is all the sport for now and I

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will be back with the headlines at 10:30am. Thank you. Welcome to the

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programme. The independent inquiry into child

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sexual abuse in England and Wales is finally

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about to begin its first public hearings today -

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in about 20 minutes in fact - two and a half years

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after it was set up. It is expected to take five years

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to complete and is a really far-reaching inquiry looking

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into historic child abuse in institutions

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like the Catholic Church It begins today with

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an investigation of the appalling treatment of thousands of British

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children who were sent to Australia Many were orphans with hopes

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of a new life. The BBC has been told the inquiry

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will hear new evidence about the scale of what

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went on and the claim A key witness in the inquiry will be

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David Hill, the former head He was sent from Britain

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to Australia as a child to one of the schools run

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by the Fairbridge Society, Our correspondent Tom Symonds

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met him and took him back to the shipping port of Tilbury,

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where 58 years ago, We arrived here

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on a bleak April day. And we had never seen

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anything like it. We had been sold the idea

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that we were going to the land of milk and honey, that we came

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from a very poor family, as most of the child migrants did,

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and up to that point they bought us new wardrobes of clothes,

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and we were in the state cabin with five-course lunches

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and six-course dinners. We thought, well, we've signed up

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for the right scheme. And it wasn't until we reached

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Sydney that the thud Our lovely wardrobes

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that we were given here in England were taken from us,

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and we were issued with hard The kids were all running around

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midwinter barefoot on the farm. They looked terrible,

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because the kids cut Those kids would have gone through

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life with nobody ever putting giving them comfort, and nurturing,

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and support, and encouragement. They were the most vulnerable,

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they were the least protected, And lucky of all, most

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of all, because my mum Those kids never saw

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their mums again. They thought the idea

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of being flogged in the middle of the night by a sadistic drunken

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cottage mother with an ironing What is your estimate of the number

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of children affected by some I put the figure at over 60%

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of the kids that went to Fairbridge 60%, and I think if you look

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at the conditions that prevailed in the other child migrant

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institutions I'd be staggered if the figure isn't equally high,

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or even higher, in some of the Catholic boys homes

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in Western Australia. People will say these

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were different times, we didn't know what we know now

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about child development, things were not managed

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well, is that an excuse? If you go back to the 1950s,

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the British government sent And they report back

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and the British government, using standards that prevailed

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in the 1950s, drew up what they called a blacklist and put

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Fairbridge farm and other child migrant institutions

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on the blacklist, defined them The British government not only

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continued to approve children to be sent,

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but financially I'm surprised how vulnerable

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it has made me feel. And to happen to the

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extent that it did. This is an enquiry that has been

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quite bitterly condemned for failing to do anything in the view of some

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people for two and a half years. This is the first time it will have

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public hearings about the subject From my point of view,

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only good can come of it. It seems to me that the greater

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the evil, the stronger the conspiracy to keep it a secret

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and keep it covered up, so if this enquiry is capable

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of opening some of that truth, It is almost unbelievable, isn't it?

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We can speak now to Clifford Walsh, who experienced sexual abuse when he

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was sent from London to live at a Catholic institution in Australia.

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Margaret Humphreys is also with us, the director of the child migrants

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trust. She has dedicated her life to reuniting lost migrant children with

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their families. I know you are about to go into the inquiry, Margaret, so

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I will talk to you first, if I may? And Clifford I will be with you in a

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moment. Tell us what work you have done to try to bring these former

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children back with their families. I would like to state straightaway

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that these children were not orphans. They had mothers, fathers,

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brothers and sisters. Over the years that has been part of

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the myth. They are not orphans. I would like to make that really clear

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to your viewers. We have spent 30 years bringing child migrants home

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to meet their mothers, their fathers, their families and

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communities. In the early days, 25 or 30 years ago, we used to bring

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one person home at a time. These were former child migrants, some of

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whom left here when they were four or five years of age. Over the next

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few weeks we are going to hear the most horrific stories of their times

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in these residential institutions overseas. Even with orphans, it

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seems hard to justify this policy back then. But you are saying they

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were not orphans. So what on earth was the rationale? I think hopefully

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the inquiry is going to explore this with people and look at the policy,

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look at what happened to families, to children, and particularly the

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emphasis on this really important inquiry. It has taken as 30 years to

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get this inquiry. Some of those questions have got to be answered. I

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know you have got to go that anything I can ask one more

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question, if I may. -- but I think I can ask you one more question. Can

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you give us examples of the cruelty some of these children were

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subjected to? Perhaps I can answer it best this way. This week we are

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going to hear from the child migrants. For the first time in the

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history of child migration. And we have got a long history of treating

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our children like this. We are going to hear their voices for the first

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time. And I would just say let's pause and listen to them. Just for a

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moment. We will get an idea of what happened to them, what happened to

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their families. It is going to be hard. It is going to be very hard

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for us to hear it, but we must listen and we must hear it and we

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must learn the lessons. Clifford Walsh, thank you for

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joining us from Australia. You're welcome. You were told, I think,

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Clifford, that your parents were dead, but that wasn't true? No, not

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at all. I had a mother. My father, of course, died in the war. And I

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went through life thinking that I had no parents and it wasn't until

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Margaret Humphreys came on the scene that I found out I still had a

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mother and I finally met her when I was 50. Wow, you were nine then,

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when you stepped off the ship from London. That's right. What did you

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think was going on? Well, I was basically looking forward to it

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because they made all these wonderful promises of how great

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things were in Australia. I was a bit naive because someone in England

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said that in Australia there was 100 sheep for every person so when we

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got to the wall at Freemantle, I sort of half hoped I'd see 100 sheep

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waiting for me, but that didn't materialise. I didn't realise they

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only outnumbered us 100-1. We were sent to two days quarantine. Until

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this point, I had every faith in adults, but it quickly diminished

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after that. After I was flogged on the second day I was there because

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myself and another boy couldn't carry a crowbar three miles in the

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desired time. It was just too heavy for us. And we were beaten within an

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inch you are our lives and then he sat us on his knee and said I don't

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like to hit boys because it hurts me, you know. What a load of rubbish

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that was because I was sure he enjoyed it. I never saw a man beat

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children more than he did. This was the Catholic institution... Yes, he

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was a clishian Brother. And you were also sexually abused at that place

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as well? At least 30 times. Wow. Five by one person and at least 25

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by a person who was in charge of me for a few months. It wasn't until he

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tried to rape me or half succeeded in raping me and I was screaming and

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so forth and he put his old fella in my mouth and evak lated and left

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gurgling and spluttering for 25 minutes that he let me out and I

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went and I saw the priest in charge, I won't mention his name, and I told

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him and he then reported it to the principal. The principal called me

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to his office and he spoke so harshly to me, I thought I was this

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trouble and I didn't dare say anything about this brother. So I

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said the priest must have misunderstood what I said and that

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was the end of that. I was let go mercifully because I thought I was

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in for another sound thrashing and because I opened my mouth I was

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shipped off. Can I ask you Clifford, I mean such horrors perpetrated

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against you as a boy. What impact does that have on you as you're

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growing up into adult life? Well, for the first 11 years, I joined the

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Navy and I was very much a loner. I wouldn't trust anybody. And even,

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even when I got married, I didn't like anybody to touch me, no one to

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put their arms around me, no one. Male for female and that goes, that

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still continues today. I don't want anybody to touch me. I don't know

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how I imagined to have children because I didn't even like my wife

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to sit next to me and I love her dearly. It's a scandal that this

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independent inquiry into child sex abuse is going to explore and

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investigate. Do you think that 60 years on, it can get to the heart of

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why this decision was made to send thousands of British children

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abroad? Well, it's got to come out because we must see that this can

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never happen because in the 80s they sent convicts out to Australia, but

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we didn't steal anything. We didn't commit any crime. Yet we were dumped

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in a hell that I honestly think was worse on the convicts had.

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Clifford, thank you very much for talking to us. We appreciate your

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time and your openness, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you very much,

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Clifford Walsh. And we will bring you the start

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of the abuse inquiry at 10.30am. All these British children were

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isn't abroad for a better life is because some of the former child

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migrants are nearing the end of their life which is why they're

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starting the child sex abuse inquiry with this area. We'll bring you the

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proceedings live just after 10.30am. We'll go back to LA and talk about

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the mess-up and look at other notorious mix-ups.

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Is it an insult to disabled people to suggest that those who are,

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quote, taking pills at home who suffer from anxiety are not,

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The words were uttered by the head of Theresa May's policy board

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At issue is who in future should such receive benefits.

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Benefits tribunals have ruled that ministers should extend the scope

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of the new personal independence payments to another 160,000 people

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They are facing a backlash and it is not the first time this Government

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got into difficulties and suffered grief over curbs to disability

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benefits. You think about the last Budget of George Osborne when he

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tried to push through cuts to personal independence payments and

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Iain Duncan Smith resigned from the Cabinet. It was almost the start of

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the unravelling of the Cameron-Osborne Government. Well,

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now there is another head of steam building up following this court

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ruling which in effect means many, many more people will be able to

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claim personal independence payments becausically, extending it to people

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who have mental health issues, people who suffer from dementia or

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who suffered a stroke or are suffering from schizophrenia and the

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Government have reacted basically by saying we cannot afford this. It's

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going to cost nearly ?4 billion by 2022 and they sthuk out an

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announcement saying they were reversing this court ruling. On

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Thursday, on Friday, on the day of the by-election results when all of

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us were looking elsewhere, we weren't focussed on this. That has

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added to the grief and let me read this. This is from the oldest

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Conservative think-tank the Bow Group, they said, "This is the

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behaviour that gives the Conservative Party a bad name,

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attacking the most in need and kicking people when they're down."

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This morning Heidi Allen had this message for the disabilities

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minister. If I was in her shoes I would, I think, take the financial

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hit, say OK, we need to accept this. Now, let's really look at this

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policy which is something that needs it happen anyway and just review the

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whole thing from top to bottom and I think in the end if we did that,

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we'd work hand-in-hand with charities and people who were

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disabled because they would know we're trying to build a system that

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works. What added fuel to the fire is the comments by George Freeman

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who is Mrs May's head of her policy unit. So he is, if you like, her big

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brains. And over the weekend, he said that the court rulings were

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bizarre, these were just tweaks to the system, but the most incendiary

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remarks was when he suggested these people who would get PIPs were not

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really disabled, they were just people taking pills to help them

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cope with anxiety. Listen to what he said. Look, the truth on the

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disability budget is we spend ?50 billion a year on disability

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benefits and what we're trying to make sure is we get them to the

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right people who are most in need. He didn't mention these tweaks are

:25:18.:25:22.

actually to do with rolling back some bizarre decisions through the

:25:23.:25:27.

tribunals which means that benefits are given to people who take pills

:25:28.:25:31.

at home. We want to make sure we get the money to the really disabled

:25:32.:25:36.

people who need it. He put out a tweet. He says, "Having suffered

:25:37.:25:41.

myself as a child from childhood anxiety and depression, I don't need

:25:42.:25:47.

any lectures on the damage anxiety does." Well, what gives this more

:25:48.:25:56.

resonance, Theresa May made mental health one of her cornerstone

:25:57.:25:59.

issues, remember that speech saying she wanted to end the stigma

:26:00.:26:03.

attached to mental health. Here is a reminder of what she said. This is a

:26:04.:26:08.

historic opportunity to right a wrong and give people deserving of

:26:09.:26:12.

compassion and support the attention and treatment they deserve. And for

:26:13.:26:17.

all of us to change the way we view mental illness so striving to

:26:18.:26:21.

improve mental well-being is seen as just as natural, positive and good

:26:22.:26:25.

as striving to improve our physical well-being.

:26:26.:26:29.

Not that long ago. We've got the Budget on the horizon. Any chance of

:26:30.:26:33.

it, things being changed before then? Well, it's possible because

:26:34.:26:37.

let's be honest, it has happened before. You think of George Osborne

:26:38.:26:41.

backing down over personal independence payments and tax

:26:42.:26:43.

credits so it has happened before. They won't want to back doub, but I

:26:44.:26:48.

think they're in a real jam here because the disability charities are

:26:49.:26:52.

up in arms because they say look, if you suffer from say dementia, you

:26:53.:26:57.

can have as profound problems out and about as if you are blind. So

:26:58.:27:02.

why shouldn't they get this benefit? More than that, the disability

:27:03.:27:06.

tribunals, they went through the cases in real detail and you know,

:27:07.:27:11.

we clearly know increasingly the difficulties people have with mental

:27:12.:27:15.

health issues. So they're under pressure, not just politically, but

:27:16.:27:18.

from the mental health charities and the last thing to say is the

:27:19.:27:21.

Government, before they announced they were going to try and rewrite

:27:22.:27:26.

the rules without anyone noticing, they didn't consult anyone, they

:27:27.:27:30.

didn't consult Parliament or the disclaket charities and they tried

:27:31.:27:35.

to sneak it out, for that and for Mr Freeman's comments, there is a real

:27:36.:27:39.

backlash building up. Thank you, Norman.

:27:40.:27:45.

If you are somebody who takes pills at home for anxiety, get in touch

:27:46.:27:51.

with me. We'd like to get in touch with you.

:27:52.:27:56.

The NHS has mislaid more than half a million items of patients'

:27:57.:27:59.

confidential medical correspondence, including treatment plans

:28:00.:28:00.

The documents, sent between GPs and hospitals over a period

:28:01.:28:04.

of five years, did not reach their recipients

:28:05.:28:06.

because they were mistakenly stored in a warehouse by private company

:28:07.:28:09.

So, where are they? Well, Victoria, NHS England say they have tracked

:28:10.:28:24.

down all these letters now. This was over a period of five years from

:28:25.:28:29.

2011 to 2016. They were 500,000 items of correspondence, spent from

:28:30.:28:34.

hospitals to GPs, telling the GP about where the patient's treatment

:28:35.:28:37.

had got to and what needed to be followed up. They were items which

:28:38.:28:42.

couldn't get to the GP surgery because they were sent back because

:28:43.:28:45.

the patient had moved, in most cases, so this firm were brought in

:28:46.:28:49.

to sort of redirect them to get to the proper Distin nation where the

:28:50.:28:52.

patient was. The trouble is they ended up in a warehouse and that's

:28:53.:28:56.

the nub of the problem. NHS England say they have managed to get hold of

:28:57.:29:01.

them all and follow them all up and the 500,000 has boiled down to 2500

:29:02.:29:07.

patients whose treatment might have been affected because the GP didn't

:29:08.:29:11.

know the full story and quite a few of the 500,000 were fairly routine

:29:12.:29:15.

bits of correspondence, but it does raise a lot of questions about

:29:16.:29:20.

whether the 200 or more have been seriously affected. Right. And when

:29:21.:29:24.

will we know the answer to that? Who is trying to find out how seriously

:29:25.:29:29.

afeted or otherwise? NHS England say there is no evidence that anyone has

:29:30.:29:33.

been affected of those 2500, but they are still pursuing it. Labour

:29:34.:29:37.

are saying we got wind of this last summer, at the very end of the

:29:38.:29:42.

Parliamentary session, the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, put out a

:29:43.:29:46.

brief statement saying there was a problem with redirecting the

:29:47.:29:49.

correspondence, but we weren't told the 500,000. Labour want to know why

:29:50.:29:55.

has it taken so long for this emerge and what was the full story? Why

:29:56.:29:58.

were they in a warehouse and what was going on and Labour are pushing

:29:59.:30:01.

for answers in the House of Commons so we may yet learn more about this

:30:02.:30:05.

as the day goes on. Thank you very much, Hugh Pym is our health editor.

:30:06.:30:12.

We will cross live shortly to the beginning of the public hearings

:30:13.:30:18.

into the inquiry into child sex abuse.

:30:19.:30:23.

Glyn says, "I have to say I'm fed-up as a disabled person being picked on

:30:24.:30:26.

by the Government. They simply have no idea what they're doing to us. I

:30:27.:30:31.

can't help being disabled and I didn't ask to be like this, but to

:30:32.:30:36.

be targeted by the Government is appalling. It makes me worry about

:30:37.:30:40.

any cuts which has an impact on me and makes my condition worse."

:30:41.:30:58.

Theindependent inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales

:30:59.:31:01.

is holding its first public hearings today, more than two and a half

:31:02.:31:04.

It'll begin by examining the appalling mistreatment

:31:05.:31:09.

of British children many whom were orphans or from poor

:31:10.:31:11.

families, who were sent to Australia in the years

:31:12.:31:14.

The inquiry will be told that the scale of abuse

:31:15.:31:18.

they suffered was much wider than previously thought.

:31:19.:31:21.

Organisers of this year's Oscars say they're still trying to work out how

:31:22.:31:24.

the ceremony ended in chaos, after the wrong film

:31:25.:31:26.

The Hollywood musical La La Land was mistakenly

:31:27.:31:29.

revealed as the winner, but during the acceptance speeches

:31:30.:31:31.

it was discovered the award should have gone to Moonlight,

:31:32.:31:34.

which is a drama about a gay black youth coming to terms

:31:35.:31:37.

The firm that counts the votes, PriceWaterhouseCoopers,

:31:38.:31:46.

has apologised, saying there was a mix-up with

:31:47.:31:48.

The NHS has mislaid more than half a million items of patients'

:31:49.:31:52.

confidential medical correspondence, including treatment plans

:31:53.:31:58.

The government is facing calls from Conservative MPs to scrap

:31:59.:32:00.

plans to limit access to a key disability benefit.

:32:01.:32:02.

It's thought changes to the rules on who qualifies for

:32:03.:32:04.

the personal independence payment could affect around 160,000 people.

:32:05.:32:07.

It comes as a key aide to Theresa May said

:32:08.:32:09.

were needed to roll back the bizarre decisions of tribunals.

:32:10.:32:12.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:32:13.:32:15.

Here's Jessica again now with the sports headlines.

:32:16.:32:18.

Manchester United have picked up their first piece of silverware

:32:19.:32:21.

of the season by beating Southampton to win the EFL Cup.

:32:22.:32:23.

Manager Jose Mourinho has called on fans to camp outside

:32:24.:32:26.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic's house to ensure he stays another season at the club

:32:27.:32:29.

after the striker scored the winner in the 87th minute

:32:30.:32:31.

A third hat trick in nine games for Tottenham striker Harry Kane

:32:32.:32:37.

helped Spurs to a 4-0 win over Stoke that moves them up to second

:32:38.:32:40.

And England head coach Eddie Jones has criticised Italy

:32:41.:32:44.

for their tactics in yesterday's Six Nations match.

:32:45.:32:48.

England came back from 10-5 down, to win 36-15 at Twickenham.

:32:49.:33:09.

A chaotic night at the Oscars. This was the moment Faye Dunaway and

:33:10.:33:15.

Warren Beatty made the wrong announcement when they were given

:33:16.:33:16.

the wrong envelope. Moonlight, you guys

:33:17.:33:23.

won best picture. I'm afraid they read the wrong

:33:24.:34:00.

thing. This is not a joke. Moonlight has won best picture. Moonlight,

:34:01.:34:01.

best picture. Let's go live to LA now and we can

:34:02.:34:07.

talk to Sandro Monetti, a British The inquest is beginning. The mother

:34:08.:34:28.

of all mix-ups. Rain has been accepted by PricewaterhouseCoopers,

:34:29.:34:32.

who for 83 years have tabulated the results and prepared the envelopes.

:34:33.:34:36.

-- blame has been accepted. Don't bet on getting another year, PwC!

:34:37.:34:44.

Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty were handed the wrong envelope. There are

:34:45.:34:47.

duplicates backstage and they had been handed the envelope for best

:34:48.:34:51.

actress, which was Emma Stone, La La Land. Warren Beatty seems to realise

:34:52.:34:56.

the mistake and Faye Dunaway looks over, sees La La Land, calls it out,

:34:57.:35:06.

comment at the after party. Now been seen

:35:07.:35:06.

there is a lot of finger-pointing. And whoever mixed up the envelopes,

:35:07.:35:13.

I don't fancy their future employment chances! But it means he

:35:14.:35:17.

will never ever forget who won best picture at this year's Oscars

:35:18.:35:21.

ceremony. Some people can't even remember who won last year! And

:35:22.:35:27.

Jordan Horrowitz, the producer of La La Land, who took charge of the

:35:28.:35:30.

whole thing, maybe he should produce the Oscars next year because he

:35:31.:35:34.

seems to know what he is doing! He rescued it and handed it to

:35:35.:35:38.

Moonlight. I thought I had seen it all covering Hollywood but this was

:35:39.:35:43.

a first. What a total fiasco. The Oscars are hugely enjoyable and now

:35:44.:35:46.

they are covered in huge embarrassment. What a mess but what

:35:47.:35:54.

a laugh! We will probably interrupted our conversation as we

:35:55.:35:58.

go to a live event here in the UK. Why do you think Warren Beatty just

:35:59.:36:01.

handed that envelope to Faye Dunaway instead of saying, hang on, this

:36:02.:36:07.

isn't right? And conferring with the host, Jimmy Kimmel? He knew there

:36:08.:36:10.

was an issue so why didn't he say something? They were celebrating the

:36:11.:36:19.

50th anniversary of Bonnie and Clyde. They are still causing chaos

:36:20.:36:25.

50 years later obviously. Who knows? That is the big question. What was

:36:26.:36:30.

going on in Warren Beatty's mind? He is being destroyed on social media.

:36:31.:36:35.

Faye Dunaway was the one who read it out, not him, but he explained that

:36:36.:36:41.

he had that momentary pause... We have got to interrupted. Thank you

:36:42.:36:47.

very much. We are pausing there to go live to the inquiry, the

:36:48.:36:52.

Independent inquiry into child sex abuse, which is just about to begin.

:36:53.:37:01.

This is the chair. Finishing next Friday, the 10th of March, 2017. The

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case study into child migration programmes is a part of the

:37:10.:37:13.

inquiry's wide investigation into institutional failures in connection

:37:14.:37:20.

with the abuse of children outside of the United Kingdom. This is an

:37:21.:37:24.

important day for the work of the inquiry and for the core

:37:25.:37:27.

participants and witnesses taking part in this case study. Today marks

:37:28.:37:35.

not only the first day of this hearing on child migration

:37:36.:37:37.

programmes, but the opening of the first public hearing in which the

:37:38.:37:44.

inquiry will hear live and read evidence from complainants and their

:37:45.:37:49.

experiences of sexual abuse. As you all know, the task of the chair and

:37:50.:37:55.

panel of the inquiry is to examine the extent to which public and

:37:56.:38:00.

private institutions in England and Wales have failed to protect

:38:01.:38:05.

children from sexual abuse in the past and for us to make meaningful

:38:06.:38:09.

recommendations to keep children safe today and in the future. The

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definition and scope of this case study was published on the inquiry

:38:16.:38:24.

website in May 20 16. To fulfil our task, the inquiry will hold two

:38:25.:38:29.

hearings in the child migration case study during 2017. This hearing,

:38:30.:38:36.

known as the part one hearing, will provide an introduction to the

:38:37.:38:40.

history of the child migration programmes and the institutions

:38:41.:38:43.

involved and the nature of the allegations of sexual abuse that

:38:44.:38:47.

have been made by former child migrants. The part two hearings will

:38:48.:38:55.

commence on the 10th of July 2017 and will focus on whether

:38:56.:39:00.

institutions based in England and Wales took sufficient care to

:39:01.:39:05.

protect children in the migration programmes and the response of those

:39:06.:39:09.

institutions to the alleged sexual abuse of child migrants. The

:39:10.:39:16.

inquiry's broader programme of work was published in its December 2016

:39:17.:39:22.

report. The two hearings in the child migration case study are part

:39:23.:39:26.

of a full timetable of substantive hearings and seminars and a number

:39:27.:39:34.

of investigations which will be held in 2017 and into 2018. As part of

:39:35.:39:43.

this case study, as in all investigations, the inquiry

:39:44.:39:46.

continues to receive and review very large volumes of evidence relating

:39:47.:39:49.

to sexual abuse and institutional responses to it. And you will hear

:39:50.:39:53.

more detail on the evidence shortly from counsel. To all the core

:39:54.:40:00.

participants and their legal teams, we thank you for the hard work you

:40:01.:40:03.

have done in preparing for this hearing. And for the ongoing work

:40:04.:40:10.

involved in this case study. To the former child migrants who will give

:40:11.:40:14.

evidence before the inquiry during these hearings, and to those who

:40:15.:40:19.

have given written testimony, we are grateful for your courage in coming

:40:20.:40:25.

forward to be a witness. We are conscious of the great challenges

:40:26.:40:28.

that many of you have encountered as a result of your experiences as

:40:29.:40:36.

children. I want to ensure you of the high priority the inquiry places

:40:37.:40:39.

on case study and on hearing your experiences. We thank those of you

:40:40.:40:45.

who have travelled long distances in order to testify before us. I would

:40:46.:40:53.

now like to introduce the core participants and where appropriate

:40:54.:40:57.

their representatives as follows. Counsel for the child migrants

:40:58.:41:07.

trust. Counsel for the participant Oliver Cosgrove, Mr Imran Khan. Core

:41:08.:41:21.

participant Mr David Hill. Counsel for Barnardos, Mr Stephen Ford QC.

:41:22.:41:25.

Counsel for the sisters of Nazareth, Mr Bilal Croat. Counsel for the

:41:26.:41:37.

Catholic counsel, Kate gathered QC. Counsel for the Secretary of State

:41:38.:41:44.

for Health, Samantha Lewthwaite QC. Good morning to everybody and

:41:45.:41:49.

welcome to this hearing. Before we hear from counsel, a couple of

:41:50.:41:53.

points on practical arrangements. We will sit each day from 10:30am

:41:54.:41:58.

except on the days we are hearing evidence by video link from the east

:41:59.:42:03.

coast of Australia. Then we will start early at 8am. Those days are

:42:04.:42:10.

day six, the 7th of March, and day seven, the 8th of March. Ordinarily,

:42:11.:42:18.

we will take a 15 minute break at around 11:45am. On days when we are

:42:19.:42:24.

sitting early, we may take an early break during the morning. We will

:42:25.:42:28.

break for lunch at one o'clock, returning at 2 o'clock. We intend to

:42:29.:42:36.

sit until around 4 o'clock each day. By way of an agenda, we rely on the

:42:37.:42:40.

hearing timetable which sets out the order in which witnesses will be

:42:41.:42:47.

called. The hearing transcript is recorded simultaneously on screens

:42:48.:42:50.

throughout the room and will be published at the end of each date on

:42:51.:42:58.

the inquiry website. Any directions arising from the day's hearing will

:42:59.:43:03.

also be published on the website. As you will hear in more detail from

:43:04.:43:07.

counsel, there are anonymity arrangements in place for witnesses.

:43:08.:43:13.

Ciphering and reductions have also been used in relation to the

:43:14.:43:16.

evidence in accordance with the inquiry's redaction protocol and

:43:17.:43:21.

restriction order, both of which are available on the website. If there

:43:22.:43:26.

is any inadvertent breach of a restriction order, I would ask that

:43:27.:43:30.

the simultaneous recording be stopped momentarily so that the

:43:31.:43:32.

issue can be addressed as appropriate. I now invite leading

:43:33.:43:39.

counsel to the inquiry in relation to the case study on child migration

:43:40.:43:45.

programmes Henrietta Hild QC to address the panel. Please go ahead.

:43:46.:43:51.

Thank you, chair and members of the panel. I appear to date with junior

:43:52.:44:01.

counsel of this case study, and Paul Davison are also working on this

:44:02.:44:05.

case study but are not present at the case today. Chair, on opening

:44:06.:44:09.

the proceedings of the half of the inquiry I would like to first of all

:44:10.:44:12.

explain the scope and purpose of the case study, secondly provide an

:44:13.:44:17.

overview of the child migration schemes, thirdly summarise the

:44:18.:44:20.

evidence we anticipate he will hear during the case study, and finally

:44:21.:44:24.

remind everybody of some logistical issues in respect of the witnesses.

:44:25.:44:28.

Turning first to the scope and purpose of this case study. This

:44:29.:44:33.

case study, as you have said, is part of the inquiry's protection of

:44:34.:44:37.

children outside the UK investigation. That investigation

:44:38.:44:41.

seeks to explore the extent to which institutions and organisations based

:44:42.:44:45.

in England and Wales have taken seriously their responsibilities to

:44:46.:44:49.

protect older outside of the United Kingdom from sexual abuse. The

:44:50.:44:53.

inquiry has decided to divide that broad investigation into a number of

:44:54.:44:57.

narrow case studies, of which this case study on the child migration

:44:58.:45:02.

programmes is the first. In summary, you and the panel will hear that the

:45:03.:45:07.

child migration programmes were large-scale schemes in which

:45:08.:45:12.

thousands of children, many of them vulnerable, poor, abandoned,

:45:13.:45:16.

illegitimate or in the care of the state, were systematically and

:45:17.:45:20.

permanently migrated to remote parts of the British Empire by various

:45:21.:45:24.

institutions in England and Wales and with the knowledge and approval

:45:25.:45:28.

of the British government. Many allegations of sexual abuse have

:45:29.:45:29.

been made by former child migrants. First whether Government

:45:30.:45:40.

departments, public authorities, private and or charitable

:45:41.:45:43.

institutions based in England and Wales, took sufficient care to

:45:44.:45:47.

protect those children involved in child migration programmes. Second,

:45:48.:45:52.

the extent to which those same bodies were aware or should have

:45:53.:45:56.

been aware of allegations of evidence or evidence of sexual abuse

:45:57.:46:00.

concerning those children. And whether appropriate steps were taken

:46:01.:46:05.

in response. And third, the adequacy of support and repar rations that

:46:06.:46:09.

have been offered to individuals who suffered sexual abuse relating to

:46:10.:46:13.

their inclusion into child migration programmes. As you've indicated

:46:14.:46:19.

chair, the inquiry has recognised seven core participants, the child

:46:20.:46:31.

migrants trust, Oliver cos grove and David Hill, Barnardo's, and the

:46:32.:46:34.

Secretary of State for Health. It is understood chair as you know that

:46:35.:46:37.

the Secretary of State for Health will represent the interests of

:46:38.:46:41.

other Government departments such as the Home Office, the Foreign and

:46:42.:46:44.

Commonwealth Office, and the Department for Education. As you've

:46:45.:46:49.

indicated chair the inquiry seeks to meet its terms of reference by

:46:50.:46:52.

conducting two public hearings in this case study. A part one hearing

:46:53.:46:57.

intended to provide an introduction to the child migration programmes

:46:58.:47:00.

and what previous inquiries have established about the incidents of

:47:01.:47:04.

sexual abuse of child migrants and to hear direct evidence from former

:47:05.:47:08.

child migrants of their experiences. And a part two hearing which will

:47:09.:47:12.

focus on the position of the institutions involved, in

:47:13.:47:15.

particular, what steps they took to protect children, what they knew or

:47:16.:47:19.

should have known of the sexual abuse of child migrants, the

:47:20.:47:25.

adequacy of their responses and the issue of support and repar ration.

:47:26.:47:28.

Today is the first day of that part one hearing. The part two hearing

:47:29.:47:35.

about commence on 10th July 2017. Turning then to an overview of the

:47:36.:47:41.

child migration programmes. Chair, the child migration case study

:47:42.:47:46.

relates to a lengthy episode in child welfare in England and Wales.

:47:47.:47:50.

Child migration programmes achieved a degree of public recognition in

:47:51.:47:53.

2010 when the then Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, issued a formal

:47:54.:47:58.

apology to former child migrants. But there remains little public

:47:59.:48:04.

awareness of the full extept of these programmes, of how they were

:48:05.:48:07.

conducted and their effects on the children subjected to them and

:48:08.:48:11.

particularly of the allegations of sexual abuse related to them. It is

:48:12.:48:13.

estimated that you will hear evidence that over 100,000 British

:48:14.:48:18.

children were sent abroad as subjects of the child migration

:48:19.:48:22.

programmes, mostly to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and what was

:48:23.:48:26.

then southern Rhodesia, modern day Zimbabwe. We anticipate that you

:48:27.:48:31.

will hear that most British child migrants, around 90,000 were sent to

:48:32.:48:36.

Canada between 1869 and 1924. The focus of this case study is the

:48:37.:48:40.

post-war period. But it is recognised that child migration

:48:41.:48:43.

schemes that operated for a lengthy period before then. As to the period

:48:44.:48:48.

after 1945, we anticipated that you will hear from the experts that over

:48:49.:48:53.

3,000 children were sent to Australia, between 1947 and 1965,

:48:54.:48:58.

with a few thereafter until the early 1970s. Around 559 were sent to

:48:59.:49:07.

New Zealand. 329 were September to one institution in Canada, between

:49:08.:49:13.

1935 and 1948 and 276 were sent to southern owe Decemberia between 1946

:49:14.:49:21.

and 1956. Chair, you'll hear evidence as to the ration nationals,

:49:22.:49:26.

you are likely to hear both British and colonial governments regarded

:49:27.:49:30.

the programmes as carrying the perceived benefits of reducing the

:49:31.:49:36.

cost to the State of maintaining destitute children. Many of the

:49:37.:49:41.

organisations advanced a humanitarian rational, ie they were

:49:42.:49:45.

rescuing children from poor and unsuitable environments and

:49:46.:49:47.

providing them with new and better opportunities overseas. Child

:49:48.:49:53.

migration assisted in populating the empire with white, Anglo-Saxon

:49:54.:49:58.

settlers. It is argued that it met religious concerns about

:49:59.:50:00.

safeguarding children's religious beliefs and it sought to ensure that

:50:01.:50:05.

a particular religious denomination was well represented among the

:50:06.:50:11.

imperial settlers. As to the funding for child migration, you'll hear

:50:12.:50:14.

initially the sceles were funded by a combination of charitable

:50:15.:50:18.

donations and funding from local unions. However, the empire

:50:19.:50:22.

settlement Act of 1922 and those that followed provided that partial

:50:23.:50:28.

public funding was available for any approved migration scheme, whether

:50:29.:50:31.

it was run by the Government or by a voluntary organisation. Additional

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funding was provided by national and regional governments overseas.

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According to the available records, chair, children as young as two were

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migrated under these programmes. We anticipate that you will hear

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evidence that these children were put on board ships departing from

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England and Wales, without being given any real understanding of

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where they were going, what they were doing and why they were being

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isn't. Many will say they were taken without the consent or the informed

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consent of their parents or guardians. Many will say that they

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were wrongly told that they were orphans. Separated from their

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siblings, and deprived of basic details about their identities.

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Making it much harder if not impossible to reunite themselves

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with their families in the future. In the receiving countries, most

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children were placed in institutions or in farm schools where they

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provide I had labour and domestic services or with families. In those

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institutions or schools, child migrants have given evidence that

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they were frequently subjected to extremely harsh conditions. Hard

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labour, and physical abuse by those responsible for their welfare. In

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addition, there are allegation of widespread and systematic sexual

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abuse taking place in those institutions. Or some of them. Some

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former child migrants alleged they were subjected to sexual abuse prior

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to their migration in homes in England and Wales. There is some

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evidence that you will hear of child migrants being sexually abused

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during the jurpb which from England and Wales. Others described sexual

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abuse in work environments to which they were sent. And some have

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described sexual abuse in holiday placements from the institutions.

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You're likely to hear chair very emotional accounts of the decades of

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pain their experiences have caused. In respect of the institutions

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involved, the UK Government provided partial funding for child migration

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schemes, approved the residential institutions to receive child

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migrants and was responsible for consenting to the migration of

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children sent from local authority care. Local authorities sent a

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relatively small proportion of children in their care overseas and

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had no regulatory role or oversight of the children sent by voluntary

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organisations. Overseas organisations had varying

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responsibilities for the guardianship, partial funding and

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monitoring of child migrants. It was voluntary organisations including

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religious bodies, who oversaw the selection and transportation of many

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child migrants from their own residential holes or directly from

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their families the they sometimes worked with organisations to arrange

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migration. Voluntary organisations also often placed the children in

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residential homes overseas, that were either part of the same

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organisation, or an affiliate of it or were part of the same religious

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denomination. Given the scope of the case study, chair, the inquiry will

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not consider the role of overseas bodies in child migration in any

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detail. Say to the extent the same is necessary to understand the

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roles, responsibilities and response of those institutions based in

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England and Wales. In terms of the voluntary organisations involved,

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you will hear evidence from a selection of children, who were

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migrated overseas by the Fairbridge Society, the Church of England

:53:49.:53:51.

Children's Society, Cornwall County Council, the sisters of Nazareth,

:53:52.:53:58.

Southwark Catholic rescue society, the royal overseas league, the

:53:59.:54:03.

National Children's Home, Father Hudson Society. It has not been

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possible to identify or call a witness who was migrated by every

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institution involved in the scheme, but he will hear you will hear from

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the experts. We anticipate chair that the experts will apine that

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child migration schemes were never accepted practise of the day, but

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attracted criticism of their working methods as well as support. That

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there was increasing concern about the schemes from some parts of the

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UK Government, in the light of the childcare standards set out in the

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Curtis Report of 1946 and that these concerns formed part of the reasons

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why child migration schemes ended. Turning now briefly to the role of

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other inquiries and investigations. In 1998, the House of Commons Select

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Committee on health investigated the issue of child migration. It found

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that the sexual abuse of child migrants in some institutions in

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Australia was widespread and systematic and to quote the language

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of their report, exceptionally depraved. The responsibility of some

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of the receiving institutions for the sexual abuse of children and the

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adequacy of repar rations to former child migrants are being

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investigated by the Australian Royal Commission. The Australian

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commission has carried out three case study investigations into

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institutions to which British child migrants were sent. It has found

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that at Salvation Army homes in Queensland and New South Wales it

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heard graphic and shocking accounts of how boys were treated. There was

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sex sexual abuse by officers or from employees and from other boys

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resident in the home from 1956 until the closure of the homes. The

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Australian Royal Commission found at Christian brothers institutions in

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Australia, children were isolated, inadequately educated and sexually

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abused and with regards to St Joseph's orphanage, there was cruel

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punishment of the children there. Some children had various barriers

:56:10.:56:14.

to reporting sexual abuse and some who did complain were not believed

:56:15.:56:18.

or were punished in. January, the Northern Ireland historical abuse

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inquiry which investigated children sent from institutions in Northern

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Ireland to Australia, in the years after World War II, found numerous

:56:25.:56:28.

failures in respect of the Northern Irish Government and various

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institutions that sent children to Australia. The Scottish child abuse

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inquiry is also conducting an investigation into child migration.

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The United Kingdom Government has acknowledged that children in child

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migration programmes endured the harshest of the conditions, neglect

:56:46.:56:50.

and abuse, but made no specific mention of sexual abuse. To date no

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public inquiry into the United Kingdom has under taken analysis of

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allegation of sexual abuse of child migrants and possible failings by

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institutions based in England and Wales in relation to that abuse.

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Previous reports and reviews on child migration only considered

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sexual abuse in a limited way. The present case study therefore, chair,

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for the first time considers whether the various England and Wales bodies

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took sufficient care to protect children who were child migrants

:57:19.:57:21.

from sexual abuse and whether after that abuse came to light there has

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been adequate response. There is an added urgency to this case given the

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