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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
Our top story today - toddler Poppi Worthington | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
was let down by detectives investigating her death according | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
The investigator found evidence that there had been | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
an unstructured investigation, essentially it was not | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Also today, we'll hear from a man who spent 24 years in one | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
of Louisiana's most dangerous prisons after being wrongly | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
convicted of killing a British tourist. | :00:33. | :00:40. | |
The system didn't destroy me, didn't destroyed my kids. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
Because it's totally wrong, it's an injustice. | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
Wheel of the full interview. -- we will have. | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
Buying medicines online is a risky business according | :00:53. | :00:53. | |
We'll hear how drugs are sometimes being sold without enough checks. | :00:54. | :01:05. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
The number of people on controversial zero hours | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
contracts has reached a record high of 910,000. | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
We would love to hear from you if you are on one or if -- or if you | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
are an employer that uses them. Perhaps you would rather have a | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
permanent job, perhaps the flexibility suits you. You can get | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
in touch with us. Text will be charged at the standard network | :01:34. | :01:34. | |
rate. The police watchdog has | :01:35. | :01:35. | |
published a critical report into how the Cumbria force | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
handled the death of 13-month-old She was found seriously | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
injured at her home. The Independent Police Complaints | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
Commission says officers failed to adequately investigate | :01:48. | :01:48. | |
whether she had been abused. Its commissioner, Carl | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
Gumsley, has described it The investigator found | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
evidence that there had been an unstructured investigation, | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
that essentially was We found concerns in relation | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
to the way that the scene where Poppi had been was managed, | :02:02. | :02:10. | |
concerns in relation to exhibits, and whether exhibits, | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
or potential exhibits, had been Concerns as to how the entire | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
investigation had been operated, and whether it had been placed | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
on to a case management system, Concerns that it was run | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
effectively through e-mail. Concerns that no investigative | :02:26. | :02:37. | |
action seems to have been taken in relation to allegations that | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
Poppi may have been abused, outside whether that actually caused | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
or may have caused her death. Cumbria Police says it | :02:43. | :02:50. | |
accepts the report's I'm very clear that the additional | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
investigation into Poppi Worthington's death fell well short | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
of what Poppi's family could have expected and, indeed, | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
should have expected. I would like to give a heartfelt | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
apology to Poppi's family for the inadequacies | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
in Cumbria Constabulary's Our correspondent | :03:10. | :03:10. | |
Sangita Myska is here. We have heard some of the headline | :03:11. | :03:21. | |
conclusions, fill in a bit more detail about the report. It took the | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
IPCC two years to investigate and reach these conclusions and as a | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
reaching. We have heard some of the reaching. We have heard some of the | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
outlined in that clip but others include crucially, to properly | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
protect copy's home as a crime scene and as a result it meant the nappy | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
she was wearing on the day she died went missing | :03:48. | :03:48. | |
Home. This could be a crucial piece of evidence and it was a huge loss | :03:49. | :03:56. | |
to the investigation and it could not be found. They went on to say | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
that during the process of the investigation decisions about which | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
police officers made decisions and why they were made and what the | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
police policy was in the investigations were not noted down | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
and as a result, Junior officers, and there were a number of them, but | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
they were left out of the loop of the investigation. There were other | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
criticisms during this report's conclusions and they were that abuse | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
claims early on were not properly investigated and finally, | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
importantly, that incorrect information was sent to the coroner. | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
The figure has been pointed at the dad by the coroner but what has been | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
done to investigate those claims? This has become a competitive | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
situation. According to the report, there was enough information around | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
to arrest Poppy's father ready much on the day that the police were | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
called in. A family court did was ask in 2014, two years after her | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
death, to go on a fact-finding mission and they concluded that Mr | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
Worthington probably sexually Worthington probably sexually | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
assaulted her before her death. I ought to say that he was arrested | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
eight months after Poppi died but was released without charge and | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
throughout Mr Worthington has vigorously denied any claims of | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
wrongdoing against him. Thank you. Let's catch up with the latest news. | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
Rebecca Jones is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
Theresa May will make it clear that keeping Scotland in the UK | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
is a "personal priority" when she addresses the Scottish | :05:37. | :05:37. | |
Conservative Party conference in Glasgow this morning. | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
She has met Nicola Sturgeon several times since the Brexit boat. Mr Jin | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
maintains she has a cast mandate to maintains she has a cast mandate to | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
hold a second ballot -- Mrs Sturgeon maintains. But Mrs May has told the | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
BBC that Scottish voters do not want another independence vote. | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
I think, in 2014, the people of Scotland voted to stay | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
It was described by the SNP as a "once in a generation" vote | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
I don't think people want a referendum today. | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
To me, politics is about people's lives. | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
It's about delivering for people on the issues that | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
really matter to them, on a day-to-day basis, | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
and I can't help but feel that the SNP has tunnel | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
Actually, I think what people want is for the SNP government to get | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
on with dealing with the issues they want to see addressed, | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
Our Scotland Correspondent, Lorna Gordon, is in Glasgow. | :06:35. | :06:45. | |
How important is Mrs May's speech going to be? It is a very important | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
speech to her supporters here in Glasgow later. There has been | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
ramping up of the rhetoric surrounding independence over the | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
last few weeks and in particular I think over the last few days. | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
Interesting in that interview yesterday that she would not make | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
clear if she would give permission for a second independence referendum | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
to be called but she did say that the question was not whether there | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
could be a second referendum or whether -- but whether there should | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
be one of the cheating a twin track approach, addressing on the one hand | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
as she sees it at this issue of independence and also what she sees | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
as the problem in the way the SNP is governing here in Scotland. You | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
heard her comments and I think they will be repeated later, a strong | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
attack on the SNP's record in government on areas like health and | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
education, and she will argue they should focus on their day job, | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
saying they have a tunnel vision on the issue of independence. Of course | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
all this has come about as a result of the Brexit boat and Nicola | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
Sturgeon's government in Edinburgh says they are willing to seek | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
compromise and consensus at every turn -- Brexit vote. But they are | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
being met by a brick wall of Tory intransigence and if there is to be | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
another referendum, the the fault lies with the Conservative | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
government in London that is taking Scotland out of the EU against it | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
will all stop Nicola Sturgeon has said she believes another referendum | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
on independence is highly likely, indeed all but inevitable and | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
increasingly the question here and the speculation here seems to be | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
turning not to the question of whether there will be a second | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
referendum but when Nicola Sturgeon might call for it and the | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
speculation that it might happen within the next few weeks. Thank | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
you. The US Attorney General is removing | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
himself from an FBI investigation into claims Russia meddled | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
in November's presidential election. Jeff Sessions has been under | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
pressure to stand aside after it emerged he met the Russian | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
ambassador during the President Trump insisted that | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
Mr Sessions is an honest man but said he could have been more | :08:55. | :09:05. | |
accurate when questioned about his Websites that sell prescription | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
medicines can seem a tempting alternative to visiting a GP, | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
especially if you're having problems getting a suitable | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
doctor's appointment. But there's a warning | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
these online services That's according to the health | :09:19. | :09:19. | |
regulator in England, More than 40 companies offer online | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
prescriptions in England, but today the CQC says they could be | :09:25. | :09:34. | |
putting patients at risk. It suspended the registration | :09:35. | :09:45. | |
of this online company back in December, partially as a result | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
of a BBC investigation which looked The company said it has made many | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
changes to its processes and systems, that will eventually | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
satisfy the regulators. But the CQC is worried more widely | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
about the safety of online services. They say there is a risk | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
of people being prescribed unsuitable medication, | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
the treatment causing complications to existing health conditions, | :10:08. | :10:08. | |
and a lack of monitoring We have now looked at 11 providers, | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
two of which have been published today, and we are quite shocked | :10:13. | :10:22. | |
about what we've found. And indeed, in those other | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
providers, we've also found some really serious problems, | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
and those reports will be published For the first time, the CQC has | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
published a clear set They must verify patients | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
match their photo ID, They must get a comprehensive | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
medical history, and seek permission There will be a thorough | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
inspection of all companies by the end of the year, | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
but in the meantime, the official advice is to be very | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
careful before you buy The number of people on | :11:00. | :11:16. | |
controversial zero hours contracts have reached a record high and is | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
close to hitting 1 million. New figures based on analysis of Office | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
for National Statistics data revealed that 110,000 more people | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
were on contracts that do not guaranteed work in 2016 compared to | :11:30. | :11:30. | |
the same period in 2015. Sir Bruce Forsyth has spent | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
five nights in intensive care after developing | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
a severe chest infection. The veteran entertainer, who's 89, | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
was taken to hospital Sir Bruce underwent surgery in 2015 | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
after he suffered two aneurysms, which were discovered when tests | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
were carried out following a fall A union has warned a potential | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
disaster was narrowly avoided when "at least" one commuter train | :11:51. | :12:01. | |
came within seconds of smashing into tonnes of rubble blocking | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
tracks near a major station. Debris was left strewn across four | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
lines outside Liverpool's main Lime Street station when a wall | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
collapsed in deep cuttings Hundreds of passengers were trapped | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
on trains stuck in tunnels outside the hub which handles more | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
than 15 million passenger The two accountants responsible | :12:24. | :12:25. | |
for the wrong film being announced as winner of Best Picture | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
at the Oscars have been given bodyguards, following reports | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
that they have received death They have been told they will not be | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
employed to do the Oscars job again, after they muddled up the envelopes | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
naming the winners. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:44. | :12:53. | |
News - more at 9.30am. Thank you, we want to hear from you | :12:54. | :13:02. | |
if you are on a zero hours contract or if you are a company that uses | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
them for people that work for you. They'd have said, I have been on | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
zero hours contracts for five years, working for a private amulets serve | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
as it was a choice I make at the decks ability suits my lifestyle. I | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
understand is might not suit everybody. Matt says, this is a | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
country fixated on cheap labour and business getting the maximum out of | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
workers for the bare minimum. Thank you for those, keep them coming in. | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
Let's get some sport and Hugh Woozencroft is at the BBC | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
You got the blue shirt memo as well! Let's talk about football because | :13:33. | :13:42. | |
there were ruled changes announced in golf this week and are looking | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
also football. Good morning. It is that when when it comes to respect, | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
football has an image problem, especially competitive likes of | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
cricket and rugby. The perception is that in those sports, players are | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
more measured and speak to referees and officials with a certain level | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
of decorum but in football it is deemed to be different with players | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
more than happy to hurl abuse at officials. The worry is that the | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
behaviour spills over to fans, Sunday league players and even kids | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
football and for a long time change was needed needed with rules brought | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
in at the start of this season that urged referees to punish intolerable | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
behaviour by players more strongly. The International Football | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
Association board are looking to change the dynamic by enhancing the | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
role of captain the team can play. The measures may stop players | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
crowding around referees with only the skipper having the authority to | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
talk to officials of the major incidents on the pitch. The former | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
Premier League referee David Ellery is their technical director. We see | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
in other sports sometimes the captain has a greater | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
responsibility, if you look at cricket, the captain of the England | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
team is almost more important during the match than the coach. We would | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
not want to move in that direction but suddenly we believe the captain | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
could play a much stronger role and we would move in this direction, not | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
least by players and coaches who say to use captain is more and we are | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
responding to that. We take the view that what does football want and we | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
have to respond to that and football wants better behaviour and better | :15:15. | :15:15. | |
image of the The annual meeting will propose a | :15:16. | :15:29. | |
series of changes including sin-bins. So there could be some | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
interesting and much-needed changes on the way for football. On to | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
tennis, a win for Andy Murray in Dubai but he didn't do it the easy | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
way. We know he is a very hard worker but you can't say he likes to | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
make things easy for himself. The longest tie-break since 1991. It | :15:51. | :16:03. | |
took an incredible 31 minutes, the tie-break alone, and as Murray had | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
lost the first set he managed to save seven, yes seven match points | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
to snatch victory from Kohlschreiber. Murray then powered | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
to victory, needing just 30 minutes. He said will will never play a | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
tie-break like that again. He move ops to face the Frenchman. But | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
Djokovic was beaten by Nick Turkish yobs at the Mexican open. 25 aces | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
for the 21-year-old in that one, it could be a turning point for him. A | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
talented youngster, if frustrated in most of his games. After the | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
football reforms, we will discuss a proposed ref re-strike, including a | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
referee from my league. We will see about that. Thank you very much. We | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
will talk to a couple of refs, the 18-year-old who has called the | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
strike and another who was abused on the pitch. | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
Robert Jones was only 19 years old when he was arrested | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
for the notorious killing of a British tourist, | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
Julie Stott, as well as three robberies and a brutal rape. | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
He had no previous convictions, and by the time of his trial, | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
another man had already been convicted of Julie's murder. | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
But still Robert was to spend the next 24 years of his life locked | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
up in some of Louisiana's most dangerous prisons for crimes | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
After a long campaign for justice, he was released in 2015 | :17:24. | :17:34. | |
but he was still on parole and facing a retrial. | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
Now, finally all charges against him have been dropped | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
Yesterday I spoke to Robert and his lawyers Richard Davis and Emily Maw. | :17:40. | :17:49. | |
Thank you all very much for joining us. | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
I know, Robert, you've got your lawyer Richard alongside you. | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
We'll speak to Richard and also emboli in a little while to hear | :17:54. | :18:04. | |
We'll speak to Richard and also Emily in a little while to hear | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
exactly what they are covered in terms of the legal process. | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
But for you, Robert, what did you think when you were first | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
arrested, and you knew that you had absolutely nothing | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
Well, initially I thought it was a prank, some type of joke, | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
I didn't do anything, so, I mean, it had to be some type of prank. | :18:20. | :18:29. | |
And when you ask the people that were there, in my house, | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
in my residence, where I was arrested from, I mean, | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
Were there many people around you who believed in you, | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
Being charged with those horrific crimes, that | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
wasn't my character as a person, but, individually, you know, | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
my family, as well as my friends, they knew I was innocent. | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
When you went to jail, what state of mind were you in? | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
There's no way in the world I can stay in prison | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
Fighting it to that extent, you know, it never came | :19:08. | :19:15. | |
to the equation, because I still, you know, had a sense of hope, | :19:16. | :19:26. | |
thinking that, you know, these charges would be | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
When you went to jail, you could barely read, | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
during your time in jail you passed your high school diploma | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
and you studied law so that you could become your own advocate. | :19:35. | :19:44. | |
When you had that focus and that reason to study, | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
you then find yourself a natural student? | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
Yes, I mean, I had no luxury to quit. | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
I was sentenced to life in prison, and life in Louisiana is, like, | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
life without parole or suspended sentence, you know, | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
I mean, I had to, you know, I was compelled, because | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
I stayed on the fact that I knew the truth, I was innocent, | :20:04. | :20:12. | |
and justice will prevail, I did not have a lot of choice. | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
You armed yourself with the knowledge of the legal system. | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
But in terms of actually producing evidence and knowing how | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
to go about doing that, how did you start to do that, | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
what was the starting point for you in terms | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
As a prisoner then, not a prisoner now, as a prisoner then... | :20:29. | :20:40. | |
There is very limited resources in the system. | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
You take a lot of resources into proceedings... | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
I mean, there were legal proceedings, | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
So, I mean, I did my very best in my position. | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
I mean, I wrote to district attorneys. | :20:59. | :21:07. | |
I researched as much as I could research. | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
I did the best I could do with the tools I had at that time. | :21:14. | :21:22. | |
When you said just then, I'm not a prisoner now, | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
and you smiled, and you looked utterly joyful, and it made me | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
smile, I'm sure it makes everybody around you smile when we see the joy | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
Let's bring in your lawyers, because these were the two | :21:32. | :21:47. | |
people you got in touch with at the Innocence | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
And what they went on to discover was mind blowing in terms | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
of the miscarriage of justice you had been a victim of. | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
And the fact you had been framed for crimes | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
Richard, when you first became aware of Robert's story, how quickly did | :22:01. | :22:09. | |
You didn't have to delve very deep into the case to see that someone | :22:10. | :22:23. | |
else owned the car used in the crime, someone else was found | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
with the victim's jewellery, and no evidence was presented | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
at Robert's trial, but showed these two men knew each other. | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
If Robert was guilty, how do you explain that this other | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
person owned the car used in the crime, and how do you explain | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
that this other person was found with the jewellery stolen | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
While the prosecutor argued the two men were connected, | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
there was actually no evidence of this, so, that, to ask, | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
there was actually no evidence of this, so, that, to us, | :22:53. | :22:54. | |
was quickly a very big red flag that we have an innocent man here. | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
And Emily, that is an extraordinary thing, isn't it, that even before | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
Robert actually went to trial, another man, Lester Jones, | :23:02. | :23:03. | |
had been convicted and was already in jail for these crimes, | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
but unpicking what had happened and the cover-up took some time. | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
Tell us what you found about how the cover-up had happened, | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
Robert's case presents every single thing that can go wrong | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
in a criminal case in an overcrowded courthouse, in a place that looks up | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
in a criminal case in an overcrowded courthouse, in a place that locks up | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
more young black men than any other place per capita in the world. | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
The judge, the court system failed Robert, | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
the district attorney's office failed Robert, and his | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
And whether some of those failings were deliberate, sorry, | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
whether they were a product of an overburdened system, | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
or whether when you get down to it there is certainly some deliberate | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
misconduct on part of the state, knowing that they had prosecuted | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
another man for this, and charging Robert with it anyway. | :23:56. | :23:57. | |
Those are the kinds of questions that are going to be answered over | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
the next couple of years in professional liability issues | :24:01. | :24:02. | |
with some of the lawyers who were involved. | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
Because it did emerge that actually one of the prosecutors knew | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
at a very early stage that Lester Jones, the man | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
who was convicted, and who had initially said that he knew Robert, | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
but then later retracted that, said he had it beaten out of him. | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
It emerged one of the prosecutors knew at a very early stage that that | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
One of the most amazing things about Robert's case is that he tried | :24:29. | :24:37. | |
to get back into court when he realised that the person | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
who he didn't know, who he was accused of committing | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
a bunch of crimes with, when he realised that this man, | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
Lester Jones, had told police and prosecutors I don't know | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
who Robert is, I've never met him, was told to say it but I wasn't | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
going to come to court to say that because it wasn't true. | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
Robert tried to present that to the courts. | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
And for 12 years prosecutors argued that there is no such evidence | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
that any conversation like that took place. | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
The prosecutors didn't know anything about Lester Jones. | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
Ultimately said they didn't about Robert Jones. | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
And all the while in their files they have a memo corroborating | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
And they fought and fought and fought to keep Robert Jones | :25:17. | :25:28. | |
They fought successfully to keep Robert Jones convicted on the basis | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
he was making up some statement from Lester Jones, | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
although in their file they had evidence of that statement. | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
Because if Lester Jones didn't know Robert Jones, | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
there was absolutely no way Robert could have committed those crimes. | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
Robert, you came out of prison at the age of 44. | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
You will, of course, be a very different man | :25:49. | :25:50. | |
During the years that you were in jail you had three | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
children who grew up without you being able | :25:57. | :25:58. | |
You can never get back the experiences that you would have | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
But, I mean, it's wrong, it's heartbreaking. | :26:04. | :26:26. | |
I mean, there's nothing you can basically do about that. | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
But the thing is, you know, I prepared myself | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
Not trying to make the years up, but just continue on with the years | :26:34. | :26:43. | |
we do have left, and just build on that, continue on, | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
Opposed to having all of this resentment and being angry, | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
and, you know, no, so, I mean I can have a beautiful | :26:55. | :27:05. | |
relationship with my children and my grandkids now. | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
I mean, in spite of the injustice that was done to me and what was set | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
out to be done to me in a sense of destroying me and making me | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
some kind of monster and destroyed my kids' lives, | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
I've got beautiful kids, I've got beautiful grandkids. | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
Statistically wise, like I always say, you know, | :27:22. | :27:31. | |
the system kind of set it up in a sense, saying that once | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
a parent, especially a black male father, | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
So, I mean, I'm OK with that, you know, and that's one thing that | :27:37. | :27:50. | |
I used to communicate with my kids about it. | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
The fact that, you know I want them to move forward, and try to do | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
Because I'm free now, I'm not a monster, I'm | :27:57. | :28:13. | |
a better person in the sense of understanding, you know, | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
what's going on in my society, opposed to when I came | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
I was a young, confused boy, didn't understand | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
The system didn't destroy me, it didn't destroy my kids, | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
we're moving on, and that don't make it right, because what happened | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
Would it make a difference if anybody did, would | :28:40. | :28:51. | |
It would be respectful in one sense, however, I mean, | :28:52. | :29:07. | |
it doesn't, it doesn't remove the stain, you know? | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
It would be respectful, to a degree, like I said, | :29:11. | :29:19. | |
because that's human dignity, but, obviously we are not dealing | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
Robert and his lawyers Richard Davis and Emily Maw | :29:23. | :29:36. | |
If you want to watch our discussion again it's on our programme page - | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
"Not fit for purpose" - the highly critical report | :29:41. | :29:50. | |
by the police watchdog into how the Cumbria force handled | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
the death of 13-month-old Poppi Worthington five years ago. | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
And as counting gets underway in Northern Ireland's Assembly | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
election vote, we'll hear from young voters born after the peace deal | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
Here's Rebecca in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news. | :30:05. | :30:16. | |
Police who investigated the sudden death of a baby in Cumbria | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
have been criticised as "unstructured and disorganised." | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
13-month-old Poppi Worthington collapsed | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
at her home in Barrow-in-Furness in December 2012 - | :30:28. | :30:29. | |
but the Independent Police Complaints Commission found | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
that the investigation into her death was "not fit for purpose". | :30:32. | :30:40. | |
We will have more reaction to that story in a few minutes. | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
Theresa May will make it clear that keeping Scotland in the UK | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
is a "personal priority" when she addresses the Scottish | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
Conservative party conference in Glasgow this morning. | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
Mrs May has met Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
Mrs Sturgeon maintains that she has a "cast iron mandate" to hold | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
a second ballot - after Scotland overwhelmingly voted | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
The US Attorney General is removing himself from an FBI investigation | :31:02. | :31:11. | |
into claims Russia meddled in November's presidential election. | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
Jeff Sessions has been under pressure to stand aside after it | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
emerged he met the Russian ambassador during the | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
President Trump insisted that Mr Sessions is an honest man | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
but said he could have been more accurate when questioned about his | :31:23. | :31:24. | |
Websites that sell prescription medicines can seem a tempting | :31:25. | :31:37. | |
alternative to visiting a GP, especially if you're having | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
problems getting a suitable doctor's appointment. | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
But there's a warning these online services | :31:44. | :31:45. | |
That's according to the health regulator in England, | :31:46. | :31:55. | |
Sir Bruce Forsyth has spent five nights in intensive | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
care after developing a severe chest infection. | :31:58. | :31:58. | |
The veteran entertainer, who's 89, was taken to hospital | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
Sir Bruce underwent surgery in 2015 after he suffered two aneurysms, | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
which were discovered when tests were carried out following a fall | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :32:08. | :32:20. | |
Here's Hugh now with the sports headlines. | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
Good morning, that could be big changes on the way for football come | :32:29. | :32:36. | |
especially around discipline. Ifab, the International Football | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
Association board, could enhance the role of the captain to stop players | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
from surrounding referees. At the start of this is an new rules were | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
brought in designed to punish players who abused officials more | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
harshly. Today Aston Villa's Leandro Bacuna has been given a six match | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
ban for another edition with an assistant referee last weekend. Andy | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
Murray saved seven match point in 831 minute second set tie-break | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
before beating Philipp Kohlschreiber. -- a 31 minute second | :33:02. | :33:10. | |
set tie-break. And Castleford kept up their 100% start to the season, | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
brushing aside leads. Back with more just after ten o'clock. Thank you. | :33:15. | :33:22. | |
The sad face of Poppi Worthington, a 13-month-girl who died | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
from serious injuries in hospital in December 2012 with a family court | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
judge finding she had probably been sexually assaulted by her father | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
He's consistently denied any wrongdoing and has | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
Now a report by the police watchdog has said | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
senior detectives in Cumbria investigating the death | :33:38. | :33:38. | |
of the toddler were "unstructured and disorganised" | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
The Independent Police Complaints Commission also said | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
police did not adequately investigate whether | :33:48. | :33:48. | |
Poppi had been abused, despite concerns raised | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
It also said witness accounts were not taken until after Poppi's | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
parents were arrested more than eight months after her death | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
and the incident wasn't recorded as a crime until then. | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
A second inquest into the death of Poppi Worthington | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
The local MP for Barrow is John Woodcock. | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
He said he is appalled by the report's findings. | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
And apologies for the poor camera quality. | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
We've known that the failings were terrible for some time | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
but seeing them set out in black and white is truly, truly shocking. | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
I mean, we get confirmation in this report, not only | :34:30. | :34:31. | |
was there a pathologist's report which suggested that Poppi had been | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
Not only should proper procedure, basic procedure should have been | :34:35. | :34:43. | |
followed, but there was also intelligence pertinent | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
to the father, a man who the family court judgment said it was probable | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
that he had actually sexually abused Poppi before her death, | :34:50. | :34:51. | |
It is vital now that the police, it is good they have apologised | :34:52. | :35:01. | |
again, but they need to be able to show and be scrutinised | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
that the safeguards they say they have put in place to ensure | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
How do you explain how all of that happened? | :35:09. | :35:24. | |
There was, I mean, there was gross, catastrophic incompetence | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
at individual level and I'm going to be pressing the Home | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
Secretary and the Prime Minister, who was Home Secretary at the time, | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
to be changing the rules so people cannot either retire, | :35:36. | :35:37. | |
as happened in this case, or actually be given another | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
job after being found guilty of incompetence. | :35:41. | :35:41. | |
But there was simply just not the system which allowed the work | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
of individual officers on such an important case to be properly | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
checked and that is as shocking as the individual failures. | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
The police say they have put that right but we need to be really | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
vigilant to ensure that has happened because of course, Poppi is now | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
unlikely to ever receive justice, if it is true, as the family court | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
judgment thought, that it was her father who was responsible | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
for her death, he will never be brought to justice. | :36:08. | :36:09. | |
He will be allowed to be free and that is devastating | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
for the individuals who knew her and for our whole | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
He obviously denies any involvement but as you say, | :36:16. | :36:27. | |
a coroner did suggest exactly what you are saying. | :36:28. | :36:29. | |
Just picking up on what you were talking about, officers retiring, | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
because in this case, the two officers had | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
been able to retire, they both have their full pensions, | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
it is a situation that happens over and again. | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
I'm going to be asking the government, the Home Secretary | :36:43. | :36:54. | |
and the Prime Minister, who was responsible for this | :36:55. | :37:02. | |
at the time, to change the rules finally so that this all-too-common | :37:03. | :37:04. | |
practice of officers escaping justice by retiring | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
But what is most disturbing is that one of these officers, | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
she has now subsequently retired, Amanda Sadler, but she was found | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
guilty of incompetence but although she was demoted, | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
she carried on with a job in the force. | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
Someone whose failings have been that catastrophic and that serious | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
in terms of consequence should never be allowed to stay | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
It sends a terrible message and that needs to be brought | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
I then spoke to the Cumbria Police and Crime Commissioner, | :37:35. | :37:44. | |
Peter McCall, and asked if he could account | :37:45. | :37:45. | |
Frankly I can't explain, well, I can explain, I know what happened and | :37:46. | :38:01. | |
what failed to happen. There is no excusing or covering up for this. It | :38:02. | :38:09. | |
was an abject failure at the time on the behalf of those who were first | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
on scene and the subsequent investigation. It was a complete | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
mistake and there is no dressing that up. Which is why come quite | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
rightly, the Chief Constable has absolutely accepted in full the | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
criticism which has appropriately been levelled by the IPCC. Is that | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
enough? Nobody in the police force loses out as a result of this, the | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
tee officers who were heavily criticised our both retired and on | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
pensions -- the tee officers. That is not quite true. One of the | :38:47. | :38:54. | |
officers retired in advance of disciplinary process and I'm very | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
pleased to say that actually legislation has changed since then | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
and that could happen again in future. I welcome that very | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
strongly. The other officer who was also alleged to have conducted gross | :39:11. | :39:19. | |
misconduct was disciplined, reduced in rank, and has subsequently left | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
the force. In both cases, the professional reputation of both of | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
those officers has had a very severe knock. While that in no way in my | :39:30. | :39:38. | |
view is justice in this case for Poppi, I don't think it is quite | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
true to say that they have got off scot-free. It can never be made up | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
to her family. What do you say to them? Of course not. The tragedy | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
here is that, because of those failings, we cannot deliver justice | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
to Poppi and I think that is a source of deep regret for us all. | :40:02. | :40:09. | |
And quite rightly we make a full and frank apology to the family. Nothing | :40:10. | :40:16. | |
will bring Poppi back. And it is quite important to make the point | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
that the failings of the Constabulary of course occurred | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
after the death of Poppi and it is important to draw that distinction. | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
What do you mean? It is very easy to think that the failings of the | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
Constabulary failed to prevent her death and I don't think that is in | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
question at all. Nobody is saying that is what the police force should | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
have been poor, but if somebody else's job, but the job of the | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
police is to investigate when something happened and that did not | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
happen here. Absolutely and it was a complete failure, no question about | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
it and nobody is trying to press that up in any other way. That was | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
Peter McCall, the Police and Crime Commissioners for Cumbria. Coming | :41:02. | :41:02. | |
up... A warning for patients | :41:03. | :41:03. | |
in England about the risk It might be an easy way to get | :41:04. | :41:13. | |
something if you need it but there are concerns are being discussed on | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
it today and we will have the details. And a couple of comments on | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
the interview with Robert Jones we played a while ago, the man who was | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
jailed at the age of 19 for a crime he did not commit. He was inside for | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
24 years before it was uncovered quite what had happened to him and | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
the fact that he had effectively been framed for the crime. We heard | :41:39. | :41:46. | |
from him. Mandy says, what a cracking blog, I hope we have the | :41:47. | :41:48. | |
best light and enjoys every second of it. Gordon says, enjoy your | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
freedom, I looked across the pond but I'm sorry. It was remarkable to | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
see the absolute joy that he exudes in spite of everything he has been | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
through, the resilience he showed an Nabli is a free man. -- now he is. | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
Votes are being counted in Northern Ireland | :42:13. | :42:13. | |
following the collapse of the power-sharing | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
It's the second election to be held in ten months. | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
Our correspondent Annita McVeigh is in Belfast. | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
Tell us why we are where we are ten months after the last election. Good | :42:28. | :42:35. | |
morning from Belfast. Ten months since the last time voters were | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
asked to go to the polls and in that time the relationship between the | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
two main parties in Northern Ireland's devolved government, the | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
Unionist DUP and Republican Sinn Fein, that relationship really | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
deteriorated, culminating in the row over a botched renewable heating | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
scheme set to cost the taxpayer around half ?1 billion, and in | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
January that row led to the collapse of the power-sharing assembly. If | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
you think being asked to go to the polls for the second time in less | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
than a year would put voters off, you would be wrong. Last time round | :43:10. | :43:16. | |
the turnout was around 55%, just less, but this time, although we do | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
not have an official figure yet, we are hearing anecdotally of high | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
turnout in some constituencies, more than 70% or 80%, almost 90% I saw | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
being suggested in one constituency this morning. That really is quite | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
an incredible and interesting way to start this counting process. We can | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
look now at what has been going on with Chris Butler. Stormont's | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
power-sharing government collapsed in January forcing this election. | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
The DUP and Sinn Fein fell out over a range of issues including the | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
financial scandal surrounding what is known as the RHI, the renewable | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
heat incentive, a botched scheme which was at one stage projected to | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
cost the taxpayer around half ?1 billion. It has been a bitter | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
campaign and it has felt more divisive than the last election held | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
less than a year ago. We can see those result in a virtual assembly | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
chamber. The DUP returned as the biggest party with 38 of the 108 | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
assembly members while Sinn Fein was in second place with 28 seats. The | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
opposition parties, the SDLP, the Oster unionists and the Alliance | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
will all be hoping to their share of the votes after the coalition fell | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
apart and that is true for the smaller parties but some politicians | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
will definitely lose their seats because the number of members is | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
being reduced from 108 down to just 90. And another number to watch, the | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
size of the DUP in the last assembly gave the party what is known as a | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
petition of concern. In effect that is a veto to prevent any legislation | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
they don't like. For example, they used it to block a vote in favour of | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
the introduction of same-sex marriage which is still illegal in | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
Northern Ireland. They need to hold onto 30 seats to keep that veto. | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
Even when all of the votes are counted, there will need to be a | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
deal between the parties to give this assembly up and running again | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
and most people are predicting that those negotiations could be | :45:21. | :45:21. | |
difficult. Those negotiations could be very | :45:22. | :45:32. | |
difficult. Sinn Fein's leader here has already said that she won't go | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
back in to a power-sharing relationship with the DUP, former | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
First Minister Arlene Foster until an inquiry into that botched | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
renewable heating initiative has been completed. So on the face of | :45:46. | :45:54. | |
it, that would seem to put a pretty insurmountable obstacle in the way. | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
Nonetheless, come Monday, after the votes have been counted and the | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
seats have been won or lost, those MLAs who have been re-elected or | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
elected for the first time will go to Stormont and then, there is a | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
period of three weeks, taking us to 27th March. That the point the | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
parties are supposed to elect a new First Minister, and Deputy First | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
Minister, of course as you will know the assembly is set up really, to | :46:21. | :46:29. | |
reflect the main political groupings in Northern Ireland, both | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
Republican, nationalist and unionist, loyalist, so if they can't | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
elect the First Minister and deputy firm, what happens next? The | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
Northern Ireland Secretary could in theory call another election, would | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
there really be an an title for a third election in such a short time | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
frame? He could suspend the assembly again, he could impose direct rule, | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
but that would require new legislation at Westminster, and | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
certainly there is no suggestion that the Government in Westminster | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
has any appetite for direct rule, it has enough on its hands with the | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
Brexit process, finally and most likely there could be some sort of | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
call it a fudge, call it breathing space, call it what you will, an | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
extended period in which Westminster hopes the politicians here in | :47:18. | :47:19. | |
Northern Ireland can work out some sort of deal that means they get | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
back to governing Northern Ireland directly. | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
As we wait for the votes to be counted, we want to hear | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
from the Good Friday generation, those Northern Irelander's not born | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
when the peace agreement was signed nearly 19 years ago. | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
What do they think about the country's political | :47:37. | :47:38. | |
climate and how optimistic are they for the future? | :47:39. | :47:41. | |
We have a group of students from Hazlewood College. | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
Ben Malcolmson is 18, so could vote yesterday in the election. | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
17-year-old Claudia Marshall couldn't vote yesterday | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
but would love to see parties other than the Democratic Unionist Party | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
Rachel Fitzsimons and Fran Collins are both 17-years-old, Catholic, | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
and want to see religion separated from politics. | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
Thank you'll very much for joining us. How did you feel then, Ben as | :48:03. | :48:09. | |
you voted in this second election in ten months? I felt great, as my | :48:10. | :48:16. | |
first time voting I felt like I could make a change with my vote. I | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
felt great, I felt optimistic, it is uncertain with our Government at the | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
moment, but I felt as my duty to vote and get my opinion out there. | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
Were you, are you aware of the shadow of the past, the fact that | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
the system there is obviously designed to, it was designed as a | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
way forward from the history, and you were born after the agreement | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
was reached. How conscious are you of all of that in I feel like after | :48:46. | :48:53. | |
the agreement, I feel, I think we look forward and be optimistic about | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
the future. Times are uncertain especially in Stormont. I feel like | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
people dwell on the past a lot. I feel we need an optimistic future to | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
progress, I feel like our generation, my generation as a whole | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
needs to find their feet and look forward to the future. Claudia, I | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
said that you want religion and politics to be completely separated. | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
How do you see what is happening there? I do agree with that and with | :49:23. | :49:30. | |
Ben that we are a country that is very behind, a country that lives in | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
the past a lot. We need to look to the future and focus more on the | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
future and stop delling on the past as much as we are. I do agree that | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
religion needs to be separated from politics because it wouldn't be | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
happening anywhere else really. Do you understand why it is as it is? | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
Yes, like I do understand, and I don't think that we should forget | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
the past but I do think that we need to start moving forward with ideas | :50:01. | :50:07. | |
and just, there has been so much arguing and just... Unnecessary | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
obstacle in our way that could be removed if we Knorr got some of the | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
things and moved on with what we are trying to do in this country. How do | :50:17. | :50:24. | |
you esee it Rachel I feel the same. Religion should be separate from | :50:25. | :50:34. | |
politics, we need to move forward, we need people in power who don't | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
knows can on religion or who focus on religion but everyone's religion. | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
As we have said, you are the post Good Friday generation, do you have | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
conversations with your parents about this and other people who | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
obviously, you know, previous generations who lived through who, | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
very well understand why the system is as it is? Yes. Well I feel like | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
older generations have a lot more history and they have grown up and | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
experienced much more than any engeneration has. But I feel it's a | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
conversation to have. I feel like a lot of young people don't talk about | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
politics because it is something their parents or grandparents say | :51:17. | :51:19. | |
forget about it, ignore it because it is all scrap in a way. I feel | :51:20. | :51:26. | |
like our generation needs to find its own feet. I feel like a lot of | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
the older generation trickle down to our generation, we need to find our | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
own fate and think for yourselves instead of listening to older ones | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
but take their experience to make a better society for us. Claudeia Ben | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
said, a lot of your generation don't talk about politics but you three | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
seem to be very sort of engages and -- engaged and switched on about | :51:53. | :52:00. | |
politics, how would you say your generation regards politics, and the | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
history there? I agree. I think a lot of people our age may not talk | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
about politics but maybe some of the older generation think none of our | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
generation we really care, and we are all, like focussing on ourself, | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
and I don't think that is particularly true. I am focussed on | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
what is happening in my country. I am focusseded on the political | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
standing. It's a conversation I have with my mum most nights, she is very | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
involved with the election, she couldn't wait to get out and vote. | :52:34. | :52:40. | |
My mum and dad both voted. I really encourage younger generation and | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
people my age and maybe younger to go out and talk about politics, | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
because this is our future we are talking about. I go to an integrated | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
school. We all accept each other, that is how it should be, that is | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
how we need to start moving on, we need to come together and just make | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
a change. And I said that you are an atheist, was that a decision taken | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
because of the past there or is that just not a factor for you? It's a | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
decision that I don't think religion really needs to rule my life, | :53:18. | :53:24. | |
necessarily. I wouldn't call myself as much an atheist. I just say I | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
don't have no particular religion. I don't want one, I see it causing a | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
lot of problems, I never really grew up adds a religious person, my mum | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
is Catholic and my dad is Protestant so we came from a mixed family any | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
way, and if we wanted to have a religion my parents were for it, | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
they wanted us to make our own decision this is the decision I came | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
to. It is is really great to talk to you all. Thank you. Ben, Claudia and | :53:55. | :54:04. | |
Rachel. Coming up the extreme extremist some amateur referees are | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
subjected to on the pitch. Thousands of amateur referees are planning a | :54:09. | :54:10. | |
strike in protest. Patients could be at risk of harm | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
when buying medication on the internet warns | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
the Care Quality Commission. The health care watchdog, | :54:17. | :54:18. | |
has, for the first time, published a clear set of guidelines | :54:19. | :54:20. | |
for online companies in England This follows the publication of two | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
inspection reports which found that two online providers failed | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
to deliver safe care and potentially In our Salford studio this morning | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
is journalist and locum GP Dr Faye Kirkland, | :54:30. | :54:36. | |
who investigated some Tell us first of all, how many | :54:37. | :54:45. | |
people are using them, because it can be difficult to get a GP's | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
appointment, it is very tempting to go online and short circuit the | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
system? It is an interesting question, the short answer is the | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
Care Quality Commission doesn't know, a lot of providers are private | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
so they don't have to feedback on how many patients are using them. | :55:02. | :55:08. | |
One companies they inspected say they issued more than 3,000 | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
prescriptions, with one doctor working for them. The Care Quality | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
Commission say it is a booming industry. So issues have been | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
flagged up by the Care Quality Commission, what are the concerns? | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
The main concerns that relate to the two sites they inspected fall into a | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
number of category, they felt the sites were inadequately identifying | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
the patients going online. They would fill in an online | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
questionnaire and passed on the a doctor. They said did they provide a | :55:45. | :55:52. | |
good enough history of the medical concerns so were the appropriate? | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
Did the patients understand the risk and benefits? I spoke to a Professor | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
about my investigation, which I did for 5 Live about this topic last | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
October. He said he was very concerned. | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
Your investigation was really important. We just started to look | :56:11. | :56:17. | |
at the remote consulting doctors online prescribing, it helped us | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
prioritise and we brought forward a number of inspections so we had now | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
looked at 11 providers, two of which have been published today, and we | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
are quite shocked about what we found. Indeed in those other | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
providers we have also found serious problems and those reports will be | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
published ore the next few weeks. How do you sigh the people going | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
online and getting prescriptions, what would your concerns be? They | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
don't know what they are get, are they getting the same quality of | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
care. They are working like family doctors but online, the doctors | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
should be giving the same care as face to face online. That could be | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
difficult. Doctors need to think about if their care is truly | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
adequate. I think the GMC will look at this further. We know that the | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
Care Quality Commission has issued guidance for patients, it is hard | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
for them to know if the site is offering quality care, they need to | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
look at the site and see where it is registered. Is it registered with | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
the Care Quality Commission if it is in England. Are they asking | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
questions about their GP? If not patients need to use them with | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
caution. The fact this has been looked at by the Care Quality | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
Commission. What does that indicate in terms of the oversight? They are | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
taking it seriously. They are concerned about the two sites and | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
there is 43 of them. They have insected another nine. They are | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
planning to look at this by the end of testify year. They are doing it | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
because of the concern, hopefully by the end of the year all the sites | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
will havest will have been looked at. There are probably excellent | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
ones but because they haven't been all inspected that is why the Care | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
Quality Commission is saying act with caution. | :58:22. | :58:22. | |
Let's get the latest weather update, with Helen Willetts. | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
Some flip-flopping with the weather this weekend. Let us look. We have | :58:28. | :58:34. | |
contrast in the weather today, some, I can show you those, what a | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
stunning morning in high land Scotland. Contrast this with many | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
parts of England and Wales under cloud and rain. This is Essex a | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
while ago. Those pictures cross England and Wales, really, the them | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
for today, but for the weekend that rain flips northwards, we will | :58:58. | :59:00. | |
hopefully see something brighter in the south, but there is rain on | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
horizon. It is unsettled this weekend. This area of rain in the | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
north has been giving cold weather, foggy weather for some hills. There | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
is just still the slightest risk of snow on the hills. The rain heads | :59:17. | :59:22. | |
northwards but northern Scotland fewer showers, plenty of sunshine, | :59:23. | :59:29. | |
what a lovely day. So, for the south, let us start here. There will | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
be heavy bursts of rain or showers round. The south and east may be | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
lucky enough to dry up. We could see 13 or 14 but for most with the rain | :59:40. | :59:45. | |
it feels chilly. It will be across Northern Ireland, and into southern | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
Scotland grey, but north of that, as you can see, a respectable six or | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
seven, then it changes, but through the evening and overnight the rain | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
is heading in. Notice still the risk of snow on the hills. Elsewhere, we | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
clear not Northern Ireland but for England and Wales we clear some of | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
the main rain but remain showery, mild, murky and grey over the hills, | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
a breeze still broing tomorrow, look at the difference for Scotland. | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
Shetland should do you OK. For the bullet of Scotland's, a damp day | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
again here, England and Wales does look better today, it is brighter. | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
Should be sunshine hopefully but again the risk of showers or longer | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
spells at time so it is better than today. It is not drew. Still | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
slow-moving low pressure round on Sunday. We could have disruptive | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
snow this weekend. It is down to low pressures across our country again. | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
Your can see the low pressure has moved. We return to the rain for | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
parts of England and Wales, while Scotland have a drier day. Northern | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
Ireland hopefully as well but round this area there will be the ribs of | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
unsettled weather and beyond. At least it is relatively mild. That is | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
how it is looks at the minute. Hello it's Friday it's 10 o'clock, | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
I'm Joanna Gosling. Theresa May accuses the SNP | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
of having tunnel vision over independence and says the country | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
doesn't want another referendum. This is the scene at | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
the Scottish Conservative's conference in Glasgow, | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
where the Prime Minister will be making a speech | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
in a few minutes time - Head-butted, spat at | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
and verbally abused. This kind of treatment is why 2000 | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
referees up and down the country will be on strike this weekend - | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
to try and get the FA to do more And - the oven gloves are off | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
as the BBC's new version Here's Rebecca in the BBC Newsroom | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
with a summary of today's news. Theresa May will make it clear that | :01:53. | :02:08. | |
keeping Scotland in the UK is a "personal priority" | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
when she addresses the Scottish Conservative party conference | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
in Glasgow this morning. Mrs May has met Scotland's First | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, Mrs Sturgeon maintains that she has | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
a "cast iron mandate" to hold a second ballot - | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
after Scotland overwhelmingly voted The US Attorney General is removing | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
himself from an FBI investigation into claims Russia meddled | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
in November's presidential election. Jeff Sessions has been under | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
pressure to stand aside after it emerged he met the Russian | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
ambassador during the President Trump insisted that | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
Mr Sessions is an honest man but said he could have | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
been more accurate when questioned under oath | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
about his Websites that sell prescription | :02:58. | :02:58. | |
medicines can seem a tempting alternative to visiting a GP, | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
especially if you're having problems getting a suitable | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
doctor's appointment. But there's a warning | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
these online services That's according to the health | :03:09. | :03:09. | |
regulator in England, Police who investigated the sudden | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
death of a baby in Cumbria have Their handling of the case was | :03:16. | :03:36. | |
described as unstructured and disorganised. | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
13-month-old Poppi Worthington collapsed | :03:39. | :03:38. | |
at her home in Barrow-in-Furness in December 2012 | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
but the Independent Police Complaints Commission found | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
that the investigation into her death was "not fit for purpose". | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
The number of people on controversial zero hours contracts | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
has reached a record high and is close to hitting 1 million. | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
New figures based on analysis of Office | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
for National Statistics data revealed that 110,000 more people | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
were on contracts that do not guaranteed work in 2016 compared to | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
Sir Bruce Forsyth has spent five nights in intensive | :04:07. | :04:16. | |
care after developing a severe chest infection. | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
The veteran entertainer, who's 89, was taken to hospital | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
Sir Bruce underwent surgery in 2015 after he suffered two aneurysms, | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
which were discovered when tests were carried out following a fall | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
The two accountants responsible for the wrong film being announced | :04:29. | :04:38. | |
as winner of Best Picture at the Oscars have been given | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
bodyguards, following reports that they have received death | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
They have been told they will not be employed to do the Oscars job again, | :04:43. | :04:51. | |
after they muddled up the envelopes naming the winners. | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
The Hollywood actor Tom Hanks has offered his support | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
for journalists at the White House, by buying them an espresso machine. | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
He also sent a note, hinting at Donald Trump's feud | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
with some media which the president accused of peddling "fake news" - | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
urging them to "keep up the good fight for truth, | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am. | :05:16. | :05:28. | |
Thank you, an unexpected present from Tom Hanks! A couple of comments | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
on zero hours contracts, Ralph says, they should be banned. As a former | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
supervisor in the NHS I have seen the misery and uncertainty they have | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
caused to workers lives. Employers are not treating workers fairly or | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
with respect with these contracts. Chris says, I run a small company | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
and my men operate on zero hours contracts. I would love to be able | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
to employ them on normal contract but our work is very sporadic soap | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
without them, we simply could not exist and we would all lose our | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
jobs. It annoys me that the only publicity you hear on the subject is | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
negative and assumes that the contract are exploited by | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
unscrupulous bosses. Of course, like any system, it can be abused and | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
unfortunately there are those who will visit is a press pay but there | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
must be many firms like ours which have zero hours contracts out of | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
necessity so I strongly within the accusation that we are using them as | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
a method of low-paid and I can tell you that when we have worked, my men | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
can earn a considerable sum each week. Thank you for those. | :06:36. | :06:35. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
Here's Hugh now with the morning's sport. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
Captains could be given more was possibility in top-level football to | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
encourage a better relationship between players and officials under | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
new proposals from Ifab, the International Football Association | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
board, saying that captains would be the only players permitted to speak | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
to referees about major incidents. They will discuss the possible | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
changes at their annual meeting later. We see in other sports | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
sometimes the captain have a greater responsibility. In cricket, the | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
captain of the England team is almost more important during the | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
match ban the coach. We would not want to move in that direction but | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
certainly we believe the captain could play a much stronger role and | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
we would move in this direction, not least by players and coaches who say | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
to use the captain is more so we are responding to that. We take a view, | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
what does football want? We have to respond that and football wants | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
better behaviour and better image of the game and the captains might play | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
role in that area. That is all we have time for now. Thank you. | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Theresa May is addressing the Scottish Conservative Party | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
Last May, you achieved our party's best ever result in a Scottish | :07:46. | :08:02. | |
parliament election, doubling the number of Conservative MSP is. You | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
took second place in the Scottish election for the first time in 25 | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
years, and you beat the Scottish Labour Party for the first time in | :08:12. | :08:25. | |
60 years. APPLAUSE Every MSP, candid and activists can | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
take pride in that result. But there is one person without whom none of | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
it would have been possible, the Leader of the Opposition in the | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
Scottish Parliament, the MSP for Edinburgh Central, your leader and | :08:38. | :08:50. | |
my friend, Ruth Davidson. APPLAUSE Last year Ruth had a clear and | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
simple message. Vote Scottish Conservative to sign a much needed | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
light on the SNP's record and to hold ministers to account. Since | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
last May, she and her team in Holyrood have been doing just that | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
and at Westminster Scotland has a strong and respected voice at the | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
Cabinet table in David Mundell. APPLAUSE | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
I have worked alongside David for years and have seen first hand what | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
a champion he is for Scotland for our party and our United Kingdom. He | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
may be one man but his hard work and determination have achieved far more | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
for Scotland than the noisy antics of all the SNP MPs combined. | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
APPLAUSE While others fail to hold the SNP to | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
account, Ruth and David's job in doing so is ever more vital. Because | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
for too long, a feeble and incompetent Scottish Labour | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
opposition did nothing to scrutinise the SNP for their failures. An SNP | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
government interested in only stoking up endless constitutional | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
grievance and furthering their obsession with independence at the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
expense of Scottish public services like the NHS and education, was | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
given a free pass by Labour. With roof now leading the charge, the | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
SNP's holiday from democratic accountability has come to an end -- | :10:27. | :10:38. | |
with Ruth. APPLAUSE Take education. Ruth and her | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
formidable team of dreich have exposed the SNP's mismanagement of | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
Scotland's schools. Scottish schools, which once led the world in | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
setting the highest standards of attainment are now outperformed in | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
every category by schools in England, Northern Ireland, Estonia | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
and Poland. Education, fully devolved since 1999 and under the | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
SNP's stewardship for ten years. But standards have fallen all stop the | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
attainment gap remains and Scottish Young people are losing out. 150,000 | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
further education places cut by the Nationalists, a cap on the number of | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
Scottish students who can enter higher education, fewer young people | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
from the poorest backgrounds make it to university than in the rest of | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
the UK. And just this week, we have learned the SNP government has | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
delayed its planned education Bill. Such is their obsession with the | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
single issue of independence. APPLAUSE | :11:45. | :11:56. | |
The SNP's neglect and mismanagement of Scottish education has been a | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
scandal but sadly it does not stop there. The abysmal failure of their | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
farm payment system, the replacement of stamp duty with a new tax which | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
judges Scottish home-buyers more but bring in less revenue than promised. | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
Starving a health service by refusing to match the spending | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
increases on the NHS in England. The SNP government demands that the | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
powers for the Scottish parliament but fails to pass powers onto local | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
people in Scotland's villages, towns and cities. They have scrapped the | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
right to buy, denying ordinary working families a chance to their | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
own home. They opposed our nuclear deterrent which keeps us all safe | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
and on which tens of thousands of Scottish jobs rely. The simple truth | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
is their policies are not in the best interests of Scotland but in | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
the political interest of the SNP. APPLAUSE | :12:52. | :13:01. | |
A party resolutely focused on just one thing, independence. For them it | :13:02. | :13:09. | |
is not about doing the right thing, the SNP play politics as if it were | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
a game. But politics is not a game. And the management of devolved | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
public services in Scotland is too important to be neglected. People in | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
Scotland deserve a First Minister who is focused on their priorities, | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
raising standards in education, taking care of the health service, | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
reforming criminal justice, helping the economy prosper, improving | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
people's lives. Instead they have an SNP government obsessed with its own | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
priority of independence, using the mechanisms of devolved government to | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
further its political aims, and all the while neglecting and mismanaging | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
public services in Scotland. The SNP have been allowed to get away with | :13:57. | :14:05. | |
it for too long. APPLAUSE But not any more. Now in Ruth | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
Davidson Scotland has a fighter who will stand up to the SNP | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
establishment in the interests of the Scottish people and provide a | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
real alternative to the SNP. But as well as taking on the SNP for their | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
failures in office, we have another important job. When I stood outside | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
Downing Street on the day I became Prime Minister, I reminded people in | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
the full title of our party is the Conservative and Unionist party. And | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
that word Unionist is very important to me. My first visit as Prime | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
Minister was here to Scotland. I wanted to make clear that | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
strengthening and sustaining the bonds that unite us is a personal | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
priority for me. I am confident about the future of our United | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
Kingdom and optimistic about what we can achieve together at the country | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
will stop the fundamental strengths of our union and the benefits it | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
brings to all of its constituent parts are clear. But we all know | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
that the SNP will never stop twisting the truth and distorting | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
reality in their effort to denigrate our United Kingdom and further their | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
obsession of independence. It is their single purpose in political | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
life. And we need to be equally determined to ensure that the truth | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
about our United Kingdom is heard loudly and clearly. | :15:40. | :15:50. | |
As we forge a new role for ourselves in the world, the strength and | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
stability of our union will become ever more important. We must take | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
this opportunity, to bring our United Kingdom closer together, | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
because the union which we care about is not simply a constitutional | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
artefact. It is a union of people, affections and loyalties. It is | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
characterised by sharing together as a country, the challenges which we | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
all face, and freely pooling the resources we have to tackle them. | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
The existence of the union rests on some simple but powerful principles. | :16:30. | :16:36. | |
Solidarity, unity, family. Our United Kingdom has evolved over | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
time, and has a proud history. Together, we form the world's | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
greatest family of nations. But the real story of our union, is not to | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
be found in treaty or acts of Parliament, it is written in our | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
collective achievements both at home and in the world. Together, we led | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
the world into the industrial age. From the Derbyshire Dales to the | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
South Wales valleys and the workshops of Clydeside. British | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
industrialists inventors and workers, charted the course to | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
modernity and made the United Kingdom the world's engine room. The | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
union eenabled the social scientific and economic developments which | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
powered our collective achievement. Bringing people and communities | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
closer together, allowed new connections to be made. The steam | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
engine, perfected in the 1790s by a partnership between an engineer from | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
Greenock, James watt and a manufacturer from, Matthew Bolton. | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
The Menai straits. Collective achievement has been the story of | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
our union ever since. Penicillin discovered in 1928 by a Scottish | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
doctor Alexander Fleming, working in a London hospital, St Mary's. The | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
Harry Potter books, which have sold over 500 million copies, begun in a | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
cafe in Edinburgh by an author from Gloucestershire. That cooperation | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
economic social and cultural, has been the bedrock our success as a | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
union of nations and people. Together, we make up the fifth | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
largest economy in the world. Despite accounting for less than 1 % | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
of the world's population. Together we fought against and defeated | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
tyranny. Ours is not a marriage of convenience. Or a fair weather | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
friendship, but a true and enduring union. Tested in adversity and found | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
to be true. True. And the great institutions we have built together, | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
the pillars of our national life are the result of common endeavour. The | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
National Health Service. The BBC. Our Armed Forces, our Parliamentary | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
democracy, our constitution a monarchy, our commitment to rule of | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
law, our respect for fundamental human right, all have been admired | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
and imitated round the world. And all were crated here, as a | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
consequence of our common life together. These achievements are the | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
fruits of our union, they are the signs which signify its deep and | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
fundamental strengths and we should never be shy of making that positive | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
case for the union, because logic and facts are on our side. | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
APPLAUSE Take the economic arguments one of | :19:33. | :19:50. | |
driving forces be Hinds the union reaction was the logic that greater | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
economic security came from being united. Not the trans yacht and | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
shifting benefits of international alliance but the strength of being | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
one people. Those enduring economic strengths are obvious. Our wholly | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
integrated domestic market for businesses means no barriers to | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
trade with. That has been of immense value to firms here in Scotland. The | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
SNP point out the importance of the European market to Scottish | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
businesses. And agree. It is important. That is why I am | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
determined to get the best possible access to it, for Scottish firms as | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
I am for Welsh, English and Northern Irish firm, but what the SNP don't | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
point out is that the UK domestic market is worth four times more to | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
Scottish firms. In fact the you've comes third, after the -- EU comes | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
third after the rest of the UK and the rest of the world as a market | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
for Scottish goods. Yet the SNP proposed Scottish independence which | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
would wrench Scotland out of its biggest market. They think | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
independence is the answer to every question in every circumstances | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
regard also of fact and reality. It simply does not add up, and we | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
should never stop saying so. APPLAUSE | :21:16. | :21:32. | |
And the UK is not just a market place. The financial stability of a | :21:33. | :21:40. | |
strong shared currency and central bank underpins all sectors of the | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
the economy across all four nations of the UK. The broad shoulders of | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
the world's fifth largest economy provide security for businesses and | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
workers alike. Ten years ago, banks head quartered inned brud borough | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
and London which employ tens of thousands of people and look after | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
the savings of millions were rescued by the UK Treasury. Action that was | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
only possible because of the size and strength of the British economy. | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
In the oil and gas sector, a vital industry on the east coast from | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
Aberdeen to Lowestoft. The shoulder of our economy have allowed the UK | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
Government to take unprecedented action following the decline in the | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
oil price. Public spending here in Scotland has been protected, even as | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
North Sea tax receipts have dwindled to nothing. Time and again the | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
benefits of the union, of doing together collectively what will be | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
impossible to do apart are clear. Indeed the economic case for the | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
union has never been stronger. There is no economic case for breaking up | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
the you United Kingdom, or of losening the ties that bind us | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
together. But the economics are only part of the story. The national | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
security of the union in a changing world has never been more important. | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
The United Kingdom has led the world in developing a strategy for | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
preventing violent extremism and we are working with allies to take on | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
and defeat the ideology of Islamistic extremism. It is firmly | :23:17. | :23:25. | |
in our national interest to defeat Dyche that -- Daesh. | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
And in this task we are fortunate to draw on intelligence, provided by | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
the finest security agencies in the world and the greatest armed forced | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
anywhere. As a permanent member of the UN | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
Security Council, we promote peace and security round the world and | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
help to up hold the rules based order on which they rest. As a | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
leading member of Nato, and the foremost military power in western | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
Europe, we are a garage toe of the freedom and democracy of our euro | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
partners. -- guarantor. It is because we take these international | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
obligations seriously, that the United Kingdom is one of the few | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
countries to meet our Nato target of spending 2% of national income on | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
defence, and our UN target to spend 0.7% of income on aid. The United | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
Kingdom is a responsible member of the international community and | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
Scotland makes a huge contribution the UK's role. The Department for | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
International Development has its main head quartered in east kill | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
Brid. From there work is can ordinated which saves lives round | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
the world. Leading international efforts to end the outrages of | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
female genital mutilation, child marriage and violence against women | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
and children. The second largest donor to the Syrian crisis, helping | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
millions of families access food, water, sanitation and shelter. Tens | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
of millions of children around the world, immunised against preventable | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
disease and given access to a basic education. All work grich height | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
here in Scotland. In defence, Scotland is central to the United | :25:15. | :25:22. | |
Kingdom's capability. HMNV Clyde is not only the home of the nuclear | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
deterrent which keeps us safe in a changing world, by the end of 2020 | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
it will be the home of the Royal Navy's submarines, a major | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
investment in future of the west of Scotland. This summer, the steel | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
will begin to be cut on a new generation of Royal Navy frigates, | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
right here in the Clyde. APPLAUSE | :25:47. | :25:56. | |
Our great Scottish shipyards don't just have a proud past, they have a | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
great future too. Firms like Ferguson Marine which is marrying | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
traditional shipbuilding skills with innovation in equipment and | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
processes. Despite the scaremongering of the SNP and their | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
shameful attempts to use the jobs of workers as a political football, | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
shipbuilding jobs in Scotland will be sustained, thanks to UK | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
Government orders. APPLAUSE | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
These practical examples of the benefit of the United Kingdom, | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
reflect a deeper truth. The pooling and sharing of risks and resources, | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
on the basis of need across the UK is the essence of our unity as a | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
people. All of the practical benefits which flow from the union | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
and which are hallmarks of out depend on that deep and essential | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
community of interest which we all share. It has been shaped by'd I | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
don't think few and history. It has shone itself to be adaptable. | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
Devolution is an example of that. No-one can doubt our party's | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
credentials on devolution. Conservatives in Government have | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
taken through landmark pieces of legislation, to strengthen the | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
devolution settlements: The Scotland act 2016 implemented in full the | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
legislative emlocations of the all party Smith Commission, making the | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved legislatures in | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
the world. The comparison between a United Kingdom which has passed more | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
powers down to it parts and a European Union which has sought to | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
centralise more power in Brussels could not be clearer, the devolution | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
of powers across the United Kingdom must not mean we become a loser and | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
weaker union, we cannot alhour United Kingdom to drift apart. For | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
too long the attitude has been to devolve and forget. As Prime | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
Minister of the United Kingdom, I am just as concerned that young people | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
in Dundee get a good start in life and receive the education they need | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
to reach their full potential as I am about young people in Doncaster | :28:18. | :28:26. | |
and Dartford. The economic prosperity of the UK as a whole | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
depends on young people in all pars of the UK, having the skills they | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
need to reach their full potential. And people who have worked hard all | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
their lives and made a contribution to society, are eeeveryone's | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
concern. It goes back to the fundamental unity of the British | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
people, which underwrites our economies tense as a United Kingdom. | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
We are all diminished when any part of the UK is held back, we all share | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
in the success when we prosper, in Government, that principle is called | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
collective responsibility. We need to build a new collective | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
responsibility across the United Kingdom, which united all layers of | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
Government, to works of #2i6ly together, to improve the lives of | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
everyone in our country. As the Government serving the whole United | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
Kingdom, formed in a Parliament, drawn from the whole United Kingdom, | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
the UK Government exercises a responsibility on behalf of the | :29:29. | :29:37. | |
whole UK, that transcends party politics and encompasses or life. | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
While strengthening the devolution settlements and the devolved | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
administrations across the UK, we must assert this fundamental | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
responsibility on our part. So in those policy areas where we govern | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
directly for the whole of the United Kingdom we will look to the | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
interests of the union, both the parts and the whole, in our policy | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
making. And in policy areas where responsibilities are devolved we | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
will look for ways to collaborate and work together to improve the | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
outcomes for The modern industrial strategy which | :30:18. | :30:25. | |
the UK is consulting on is the point. This truly UK wide strategy | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
wrapped in a new approach to government, stepping up to a new | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
active role that backs businesses and ensures people in all parts of | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
the UK share in the benefits of economic success. Scotland stand to | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
benefit from this new approach, whether it is shipbuilding, oil and | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
gas or food and drink exports, Scotland has huge industrial | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
potential. In those areas where the UK Government holds the policy | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
levers, we will use them wisely, to the benefit of Scottish firms and | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
workers. Where the Scottish Government holds the levers in areas | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
like skills and infrastructure, we will seek to work with them to | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
ensure the best outcomes for Scotland. At all times we will seek | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
to strengthen and enhance the ties that bind us together. APPLAUSE | :31:14. | :31:26. | |
And I am determined to ensure that as we leave the EU, we do so as one | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
United Kingdom, which prospers outside the EU as one United | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
Kingdom. That means achieving a deal with the EU which works for all | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
parts of the UK, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and for | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
the United Kingdom as a whole also and when the UK Government begins | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
negotiations with the EU on Brexit, we will do so in the interests all | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
parts of the UK and of the UK as a whole. That is what I mean by | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
governing for the whole United Kingdom. And as well as ensuring | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
that we get the best possible deal from Brexit, we also need to ensure | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
that the United Kingdom can operate as effectively as possible in the | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
future. The UK devolution settlements were designed in 1998 | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
without any thought of potential Brexit, in areas like agriculture, | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
fisheries and the environment the devolution settlement in effect | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
devolved to the legislatures of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast the | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
power to EU directives in these areas within a common EU framework. | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
The essential common standards which underpin the operation of a single | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
market were provided at the European level. As we bring powers and | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
control back to the UK, we must ensure that the right powers sit at | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
the right level to ensure our United Kingdom can operate effectively and | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
in the interests of all its citizens including people in Scotland. We | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
must also ensure that the UK which emerges from the EU is able to | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
strike the best possible trade deals internationally. In short, we must | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
avoid any unintended consequences for the coherence and integrity of a | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
devolved United Kingdom as a result of our leaving the EU. As I have | :33:16. | :33:22. | |
made clear repeatedly, no decisions currently taken by the Scottish | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
parliament will be removed from them. While the SNP propose that | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
decision-making should remain in Brussels, we will use the | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
opportunity Brexit to ensure that more decisions are devolved back | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
into the hands of the Scottish. APPLAUSE | :33:40. | :33:50. | |
Our aim will be to achieve the most effective arrangements to maintain | :33:51. | :33:57. | |
and strengthen the United Kingdom while also respecting the devolution | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
settlements and we will work constructively with the devolved | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
administrations on that basis. But unlike any of the individual | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
devolved administrations, the United Kingdom Parliament elected by the | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
whole UK and the UK Government serves the whole UK. That place is | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
on as a unique responsibility to preserve the integrity and future | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
viability of the United Kingdom, which we will not shirk. And I | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
believe that the opportunities which Brexit presents for all parts of the | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
UK are real. Take Scotch whiskey. A truly great Scottish and British | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
industry, adding ?5 billion to the UK economy annually, and now the | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
largest net contributor to the UK's trade balance in goods. If directly | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
supports tens of thousands of jobs from farmers in the Highlands to | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
ceramics workers in Stoke. After Brexit its potential for growth in | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
exports across the world is immense. India, our Commonwealth partner, is | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
one of the world's largest spirits markets. But within the EU, Scotch | :35:08. | :35:15. | |
whiskey faces a tariff of 150% for selling to India. And Scotch Whisky, | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
the world's pre-eminent spirit, as just a 1% share of the Indian | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
market. I am determined that we should do better than that for our | :35:26. | :35:38. | |
key industries. APPLAUSE That's why I lead a major trade | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
delegation to India last year and why I was delighted to take the | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
Scotch Whisky Association with me. Purely for trading purposes! This | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
underlines the potential which exists for Scottish business at the | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
UK embarks on a new global role and free trading nation and it is an | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
opportunity we should seize as one strong United Kingdom. It is in the | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
interest of everyone in our country that we seize those opportunities | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
and make a success of what lies ahead. Because politics is not a | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
game and government is not a platform for which to pursue | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
constitutional obsessions. It is about taking the serious decisions | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
to improve people's lives. A tunnel vision nationalism which focuses | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
only on independence at any cost sells Scotland short. APPLAUSE | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
Yellow As unionists, our job is clear. We | :36:39. | :36:55. | |
know we are united together by a proud, shared history but we are | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
also bound together by enduring common interests. The United Kingdom | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
we cherish is not a thing of the past but a union vital to our | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
prosperity and security, today and in the future. The union I am | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
determined to strengthen and sustain is one that works for working people | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, UK to which | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
everyone can feel secure in. A union in which our national and local | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
identities are recognised and respected but where our common bonds | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
are strengthened. Where different and diversity are celebrated but | :37:34. | :37:43. | |
where those things we share our people, a unity of interests, Al | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
Kellock and principles. This transcends politics and | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
institutions, the Constitution and the economy, it is about the values | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
we share in our family of nations. Our polling and sharing of risks and | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
resources, our social and economic solidarity, social union is the glue | :38:03. | :38:09. | |
which holds us together. But we should never forget that the people | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
who benefit the most from solidarity across the United Kingdom are not | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
the strong and be successful but the poorest and most vulnerable in our | :38:19. | :38:29. | |
society. APPLAUSE We are four nations but at heart we | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
are one people. That solidarity is the essence of our United Kingdom | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
and is the surest, -- or the surest safeguard of our future. Let us live | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
up to the high ideals and let us never stop making loudly and clearly | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
the positive, optimistic and passionate case for our precious | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
union of nations and of people. Thank you. APPLAUSE | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
Theresa May speaking at the Scottish Conservative conference talking | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
about the importance of the union as we prepare to leave the EU. There | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
will be more analysis of her speech on newsroom live from 11 o'clock | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
including reaction from the SNP. Head-butted, spat at | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
and verbally abused. My next guest - who referees amateur | :39:24. | :39:24. | |
football matches - is not alone. This weekend, thousands of amateur | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
referees are planning a strike in protest at the treatment | :39:29. | :39:30. | |
they receive on the pitch. Ryan Hampson - who has | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
organised the walk-out - says more than 2,000 people up | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
and down the country We can speak to Ryan Hampson | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
who organised the walk-out, chief executive of the charity | :39:38. | :39:46. | |
Ref Support, who does not think Tell us why you have organised this | :39:47. | :39:57. | |
strike. It is because referees up and down the country are getting | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
abused and assaulted on a regular basis. Myself included. Tell us what | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
has happened to you. I have been head-butted, punched and spat at. | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
And who is doing that? It is players on a Sunday league pitch. You are | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
18, how old are the players? It varies from 16 right the way through | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
to 40 or 50. Give us some more specifics on these sorts of things. | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
I was doing a match a few months ago and a player disagreed with one of | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
my decisions and he has come up to me in my face and put his head | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
towards mine and pushed me, pushed me flat on the chest. He didn't get | :40:41. | :40:49. | |
banned for it. It is upsetting, it really is. You are organising the | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
strike and is get this issue out there and people are talking about | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
it but before this, what have you done to try to get this issue looked | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
at? I have been and spoke to my county FA, to several people, and I | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
kept getting ignored and getting the door shut in my face and that is | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
where the charity I am an ambassador for, they got involved, Recari | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
Support Uk and said we can help you out. -- Referee. They are not for | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
the strike but I am and we have got it going and there are over 2000 | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
involved. Today is a prime example. Leandro Bacuna, who barged into an | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
assistant referee, has only been given a six-game ban by the FA and | :41:40. | :41:47. | |
to me that is madness. Martin Cassidy is the Chief Executive of | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
the charity, Referee Support so how much of a problem is it? It is | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
becoming more common. The FA released some statement which said | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
there were 111 cases of assault nationwide. We're not sure if that | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
is over a year or a football season but if you dig into those figures, | :42:07. | :42:14. | |
52 weeks, that is over two per week and that in itself tells us this is | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
on the increase and we have to do something about it. As Ryan said, we | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
are not in favour of the strike but we are in favour of doing something | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
about the reasons for it. We have asked to change policies and | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
processes, ask for banning orders, talking to MPs and councillors to | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
try to get changes for bringing stuff outside football, measures | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
into bubble gum like banning orders. It is ridiculous to think you can | :42:41. | :42:50. | |
streak on a pitch and you get banned from every football ground in Great | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
Britain but if you are in a fight in the ground, you will get banned from | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
every ground but if you had but the referee, you don't so we should | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
bring in the same banning orders for when players commit violent as for | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
when fans commit it. Obviously you are concerned this is not being | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
taken seriously enough so what is the way to focus attention if you | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
don't support the strike? We're not support it but we support the | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
reasons for it. How do you get change to actually happen? What was | :43:24. | :43:31. | |
a wonderful progressive move was that the FA invited Ryan to when the | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
stadium and we went with him to represent him and give him some | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
support and we talked about changes in policy and process. Such as when | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
the county FAs received a written report from a referee who has been | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
assaulted, that should immediately go to the police. At the moment, the | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
onus is on the rhetoric and when you are from a background like Ryan, a | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
council estate in Manchester, the ramifications are going to the | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
police will last you a lifetime -- with the onus is on the police. We | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
should take it away from the referee, the county FA should | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
forward it to the police and it should go back the match officials | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
and things can be sorted that way. It sounds like you are being | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
listened to at quite a high level? Yeah, listened, but no action has | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
been taken yet. I have another meeting with the FA with the new | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
respect officer, Nathan French, who has not met a referee from | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
grassroots level before. That is a good move but I'm just hoping it is | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
more progressive and more positive than the last meeting because I did | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
not get much out of it. I will not sit here and lie about it, we have | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
got another meeting and hopefully this next one is important. We do | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
want change, we want referees to be able to wear body cameras and on the | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
6th of March, the FA have the referees committee meeting and they | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
will be bringing up the issue surrounding body cameras. They will | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
be speaking more detail in March so when we have the meeting with the FA | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
in Manchester, hopefully were at more to say. We'll check in with you | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
after that. Thank you. First, the exclusive story | :45:12. | :45:22. | |
of a young Syrian who had Sama - which is not his real name - | :45:23. | :45:24. | |
travelled more than three thousand miles and across ten countries | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
to escape death threats. The 17-year-old is now starting | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
a new life in the UK and is facing the sorts of issues most teenagers | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
in this country might When I was child, and because am | :45:36. | :45:37. | |
gay, and I keep secret, I heard my dad, sometimes he speaks | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
with his friends, sometimes talk about gay, like kill him | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
or put him in jail. They can't imagine | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
have gay in the world. And he told me, go out home, | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
you are not my son. I took boat from Turkey and I saw 54 | :45:56. | :46:05. | |
people inside and children, When I saw these people, | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
I said, I don't want to go and he has a gun and he says, | :46:09. | :46:19. | |
if I don't go, maybe he'd kill me. Between country and country | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
and sleeping in street and jungle. I just have a little | :46:24. | :46:34. | |
bread and some dates. I left Turkey to Greece | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
and Greece to Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Austria, | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
Germany, France and the UK. I had interview for refugee to stay | :46:42. | :46:50. | |
here and I told them I'm gay so I can't go back to Syria | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
because the war and because I'm gay but they don't believe me, like, | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
they want to see my Facebook, Like a lot of question like, | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
I feel like horrible, like why They told me, don't worry, | :47:01. | :47:12. | |
you are safe here and I told I'm gay and they say, | :47:13. | :47:30. | |
this isn't a problem. It's a really lovely family, | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
I really love them. It is my first time here, | :47:34. | :47:41. | |
to seem like a lot of gays, lesbian here and everybody | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
is like crazy, dancing, drinking. I've got friends in Syria, | :47:45. | :47:54. | |
my friend in my school but because he just say, | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
I don't like Isis, the next day they took him and they put him | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
like in middle of street. I miss everything in Syria | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
but when I saw the news, the pictures in my city, | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
it's so hard. I'm really grateful | :48:15. | :48:16. | |
about this nice family. Sometimes I feel like I am | :48:17. | :48:17. | |
now friends, family, The number of people | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
on controversial zero hours The figures now stands at 910,000 | :48:20. | :48:49. | |
people on the zero hours contract That's 110,000 more people | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
on contracts that do not guarantee That's an increase of nearly 14% | :48:54. | :49:01. | |
and 30% higher than 2014. To put it into prospective in 2005 - | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
just 100,000 people Let's discuss this now | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
with Conor D'Arcy from the Resolution Foundation who's | :49:09. | :49:17. | |
researched the long term future Kate Bell who is Head | :49:18. | :49:19. | |
of Economics and Social Affairs And Diane Cawood who works on a zero | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
hours contract for the NHS. She use to work full time but says | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
that a zero hours contract Thank you for joining us. Connor, | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
it's a record high, but at a slower growth in the -- number, tell us | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
more about the overall picture. When we compare it to the last few months | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
of 2015. That growth has been over 100,000. When we focussed on the | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
last six months of 2016, that growth is slower, less than an extra 10,000 | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
people. Partly that is probably because of slower employment growth | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
we have seen, but it, there is probably other things behind this, | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
like employers deciding it isn't for them any more. Kate, you are sorry, | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
not Kate, Diane, you have on a zero hours contract and you don't like it | :50:13. | :50:20. | |
I do. Tell us why? It gives me a greater degree of flexibility. It am | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
studying to be a nurse, it fits round my study, my partner is ill so | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
if I need to drop down my hours I have the flexibility to do that, | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
that said there are negative aspects, for example I don't get an | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
average of my unsocial hours payments on annual leave, which the | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
full-time people do. I don't get the same sick pay that full-time people | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
do either, and if I found myself suspended I would get no money | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
whereas somebody who is full-time would get their salary. OK, and Kate | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
Bell you from the TUC, you don't like them? We do think there is some | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
people for whom it works but for a huge number of people on the | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
contracts they cause problem, like not knowing how many hours you will | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
be working, problems like missing out on key rights that most people | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
expect at work so the write to a written statement of terms and | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
conditions, the right to sick pay you can miss out on some time, or | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
the right to some key family friendly rights so the right to | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
return to the same job after maternity leave or to request | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
flexible learning. Connor, you said about the possibly the reasons for | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
why number of people going on zero hours contracts is slowing, in terms | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
of predicting where it is going, it is difficult, but it has become a | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
very publicised issue in terms of what the politicians are doing it is | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
an area that is being looked at. The Prime Minister has in some of her | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
first speeches raised this issue of insecurity at work, there is a | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
similar number of people on agency contracts which can be insecure and | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
lack basic rights so I think in the future, there is things that could | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
be done, if you are on a zero -- zero hours contract long-term, I | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
don't think it is extreme to say you should be given a fixed number of | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
hours that reflect the number you have been working, I think is one of | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
the directions we need to look down, keeping this discussion beyond just | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
zero hours contract and across insecure work is important. We heard | :52:36. | :52:45. | |
from Diane who likes them. Tree say says my experience is a different | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
one. My partner has refusal of annual leave payment, there is no | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
Government monitoring on company, no checks on rules and regulations | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
being properly followed. Kate, in terms of what the Government is | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
going to be doing, to look at this, in the budget it is expected that | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
the Chancellor might outline plans for workers on score roar hours | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
contracts to pay if same tax adds workers who are employed, do you | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
think the Government is looking at it the right way. We are glad they | :53:18. | :53:24. | |
have said that. Will that stop employers... The key is what changes | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
employer behaviour, as Diane explains, sometimes flexibility can | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
be good, we think it is employers driving this and pushing the costs | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
on to workers and away from their cost, we think that is a simple step | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
the Government could take, it could guarantee it won't use zero hours | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
contract in its supply chains, as Connor set out we do think that | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
people who are working regular hours should have a regular contract. Then | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
it is about what rights people on the more insecure types of work get, | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
making sure that everyone has a day one right to protection from unfair | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
dismissal. An written statement of your terms and conditions, and we do | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
think the Government needs to step up here, to tackle this huge right | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
in zero hours contracts where we see nearly one million people on them | :54:17. | :54:17. | |
today. Thank you all very much. So big announcement, | :54:18. | :54:30. | |
what do we think of the new concept and will it be able | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
to compete with Bake-Off? Frances Taylor is the TV Critic | :54:33. | :54:34. | |
for the Radio Times and Bake-Off fan, and Chetna Makan, | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
Bake-Off semi-finalist in 2014. The big family cooking somehow down | :54:38. | :54:49. | |
will be going up against Bake Off. What do we make of the new concept? | :54:50. | :55:01. | |
Thank you both very much for joining us. So, Frances, what do you think? | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
I have to say, I am not too impressed which doesn't sound good. | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
We don't know that much. The problem is the thing with Bake Off it was so | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
magical, because nobody sat down in a room and said let's create the | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
biggest show on tell Vicks. It was a happy accident. You don't sit down | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
to create something that is not going to be a disaster. There wasn't | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
a legacy behind it when it launched. It came on to BBC Two and it was an | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
underground hit and people found it and it grew, the problem is the BBC | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
is saying this is going to be the new Bake Off, put Nadiya on, it is | :55:42. | :55:44. | |
not going to have the same impact. Let us talk to kept that, so het | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
that, you were a Bake Off semifinalist in 2014. There is going | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
to be a huge amount of expectation round this new format, which is | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
going to be focussed on family, of course by the title. What to you | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
think about it? I think that it definitely cannot, and you know, I | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
don't know what will happen once it is on air, right now, it doesn't | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
look like it can be compared to Bake Off at all, because it has no kind | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
of, other than there are four people, on the face of it, there are | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
no other similar particularities to the Bake Off, so I don't know, but | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
it might still be a really good show to watch. When you were on the Bake | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
Off, obviously it was already a big deal. How much of a factor in its | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
success do you think was the fact that as we were haring from Frances, | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
it started very quietly and it slowly builds. It is nice when you | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
feel like you are in on something from the start and invest in it. | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
There is not an expectation from the outset you will like it. Yes, I | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
totally agree with that fact, you know, people didn't know what, what | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
they were going to be watching and the first two series were so slow to | :57:01. | :57:08. | |
start off. But it was such a simple, a heart-warming programme, and like | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
Frances said there were no expectations and every year after | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
year, people didn't know what to expect. Expect. Just people fell in | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
love with the four, you know, Mary, Paul, Mel and Sue so the chemistry | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
was amazing, but this new format that has come out, there are four | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
people, we don't know whether they will work together, because they | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
haven't worked together before. We don't know, really whacks is going | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
to happen. We will have to wait and see, thank you both very much. | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
Chetna and Frances, we have a bit more time. So Frances, tell me | :57:47. | :57:49. | |
quickly what you think about the line up? It's a good line up. I | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
would say that, but when we have so many cooking shows, the beauty of | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
Bake Off is it brought something different, we have so many cooking | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
shows, so, to just commission another one, seems... Not one round | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
family. Again with Bake Off when we got to know the individuals that was | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
fantastic. This she it will be about 80 contestant so you won't get to | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
know them. Thank you very much for your company today. News room live | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
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