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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

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This morning, these parents of a seven month old severely ill

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baby tell us why they're urging the courts not to grant doctors

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the rights to switch off his life support machine.

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7 month old Charlie is receiving 24-hour treatment for a genetic

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condition so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person

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We'll bring you the full heart-breaking story shortly.

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Also on the programme, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn tells

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this programme Theresa May's government has an issue

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with disabilities - he's calling on them to scrap plans

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to limit access to a key disability benefit.

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They seem to have an issue over disabilities, because last year they

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did try to remove the personal independence payments by ?4 billion.

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I just think they need to think about the kind of society we are,

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the way we support people. We'll bring you that full exclusive

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interview around 9:30 this morning. And how Facebook called

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the police on the BBC after we revealed potential flaws

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in their moderation system. Hello, welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11am. Throughout the morning we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news and developing stories -

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and a little later in the programme we'll hear from an army widow

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who says she had 5 miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

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attacked her in his sleep as a result of his post-traumatic

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stress disorder. She's now suing the

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Ministry of Defence. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Our top story today,

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the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has accused Theresa May's government

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of having an issue with Corbyn has previously claimed

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that the Prime Minister is turning the Conservatives back

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into the nasty party by quietly announcing a change to rules

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on disability benefits. Let's get more on this from our

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political guru Norman Smith. What is at issue? I think we learned

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today from your interview with Jeremy Corbyn that he wants to make

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disability benefits are key battle ground in the weeks ahead, over this

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issue of personal independence payments. Two courts ruled recently

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that many, many more people, around 160,000 more, should be able to get

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this disability benefit. These are people at the moment is

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predominantly with mental health issues, people with dementia etc,

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they would be eligible. The Government has insisted, no way.

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This is not what the benefit is meant for and it would come with a

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huge price tag, they say it would cost almost ?4 billion. Interesting,

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Mr Corbyn insisted today that as a society we have defined that money,

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but going one step forward and accusing the Tories of having a

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problem with disabled people. Have a lesson. They seem to have an

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issue over disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal

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independence payments by ?4 billion, they then reverse that Kurt asked

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Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later, then they agreed to

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carry on paying it. There is a deficit built into the budget

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already because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to

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prevent the bill rising further. I think they need to think about the

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kind of society we are, the way we support people. That was the issue

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of PIP. We also talked about a snap general election, former

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Conservative leader William Hague says that Theresa May should

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effectively call one and change the legislation. Unlikely, I think? Yes

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and no, Theresa May has made it very clear repeatedly that she does not

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want to hold an early general election and she thinks that it

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would be wrong now to change her mind. Whatever the electoral

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advantages. But an awful lot of Tories would think Mr Hague has a

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point, here we are going into the Brexit negotiations, possible

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revolts in the Commons, one way that Mrs May could strengthen her hand

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would be to go for an early election while Labour are at sixes and

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sevens. In the interview you did with Jeremy Corbyn he sounded a

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little knocked, almost riled when you kept pressing him, six times, I

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think I counted, about would he be in favour of an early general

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election. Let's have a listen. Are you telling me you are confident you

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would win a general election? We will take our case to the country.

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We are very confident of the support we can get in order to win an

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election, to take our case to the British people. Don't underestimate

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the support there is for the Labour Party and the anger out there at the

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levels of inequality and injustice. We will expose all of that, that is

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why the case is very, very strong. You have asked me the question many,

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many times. How many times do I have to tell you, we are taking our case

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to win because I believe we can. Sounding a bit sharp, maybe not

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surprising in the wake of the Copeland by-election defeat. As for

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the prospects of a snap general election, some in the Tory party

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think not just wouldn't strengthen the position of Mrs May here but

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also strengthen her hand in terms of the Brexit negotiations. I would

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class it as unlikely but not rule it out. Thank you, Norman. We will have

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the full interview with Jeremy Corbyn at just after 9:30am and we

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will hear from the former Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb on

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the issue of PIPs. Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Facebook's procedures for vetting

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content on its pages have been strongly criticised after a BBC

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investigation found it was failing to remove inappropriate

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and sexualised images of children. The chair of the commons media

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committee Damian Collins has said it casts grave doubts

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on the effectiveness Our correspondent

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Angus Crawford reports. Facebook says it removes nudity

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or sexually suggestive content. But our investigation last year

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found paedophiles using secret groups to swap obscene

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images of children. We informed the police,

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and this man was sent Facebook told us it had

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improved its systems, But we still found sexualised

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pictures of children, We reported 100 posts that we felt

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broke Facebook's own guidelines. They didn't breach Facebook's

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community standards. I'm concerned that that's been

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brought to Facebook's attention, and some of those images have not

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been dealt with and addressed. And this report, this investigation,

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it casts grave doubt on the effectiveness of the measures

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that Facebook has in place. Facebook asked us to send them

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examples of what we had The company then reported

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us to the police. Facebook issued

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a statement saying... But, even now, groups

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with inappropriate images and comments about children

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remain on Facebook. But, even now, groups

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with inappropriate images and comments about children

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remain on Facebook. Questions about how the company

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moderates content won't go away. A British woman has been

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rescued by police officers in Australia after allegedly

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being held against her will A 22-year-old man from Queensland

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has been charged with several counts of rape and assault

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after she was found with injuries Downing Street has rejected

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a call from the former Conservative leader,

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Lord Hague, to call Writing in the Daily Telegraph,

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he says Theresa May needs a decisive Commons majority to head

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off backbench rebellions. Mrs May has repeatedly ruled out

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going to the country before The Government is facing

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the prospect of another defeat in the House of Lords over

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the process of leaving the EU today. Peers are to vote on an amendment

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to the Brexit Bill which calls for Parliament to be given

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a meaningful vote on a final deal. The Prime Minister has said

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Parliament will have a vote - but only on a take it

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or leave it basis. Last week, the Upper House voted

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to guarantee the rights of EU A couple are asking

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the High Court to let them take their seven-month-old son

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to the USA for potentially life-saving treatment as they began

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a battle against Great Ormond Street Chris Gard and Connie Yates

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want to take their son Charlie Doctors at Great Ormond Street have

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applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not

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in his best interest. A judge will rule on the case

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at a hearing next month. And Charlie's parents will be

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speaking to Victoria here on this programme in just

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a few minutes' time. Senior members of Donald Trump's

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administration have defended a new executive order that puts

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a ban on people from six mainly Muslim countries

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travelling to the US. The revised travel ban

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is due to come into effect Iraq has been removed

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from the previous list. The Secretary of State,

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Rex Tillerson, said the new order signed by the US President

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was designed to keep The Malaysian Prime Minister

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has accused North Korea of holding his citizens hostage

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after Pyongyang banned Malaysians In a tit-for-tat response,

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Malaysia has imposed similar restrictions

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on North Korean visitors. The measures are an escalation

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in tensions sparked by the murder of the North Korean leader's

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half-brother in Kuala Lumpur. Wayne Rooney is backing a campaign

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encouraging boys to open up It comes after new figures

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from the charity Childline show that boys are six times less likely

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to seek help for suicidal But national figures show the number

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of suicides among boys is much That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9:30am. We have Kanye 's and Chris Cloete

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here, thank you for coming in. -- we have Connie and Chris here. They

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will talk about their legal battle with Great Ormond Street Hospital.

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Their seven-month-old baby is being treated on doctors there believe his

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life-support machine should be switched off, you as parents totally

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disagree? Why are you speaking out? To try to raise money for treatment

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in America. Thank you, we will speak to you later.

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Let's get some sport from Hugh Woozencroft.

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Hugh, Team Sky have urged their cyclists to praise boss

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Dave Brailsford according to reports in this morning's papers.

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Why? There is so much scrutiny on Team Sky, it is not going away in a

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hurry. Last week we spoke about a mystery package delivered to Sir

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Bradley Wiggins, a lack of evidence about what it contained, the chair

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of the select committee Damian Cullen said the credibility of Team

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Sky and British cycling is in tatters. The team was next to

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explain excessive quantities of another drug, users of which include

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prevention of asthma attacks. Dave Brailsford said the team medic gave

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him it after surgery. An academy coach says he was treated by the

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same medic with the same drug, the drug that was given to Bradley

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Wiggins before three major races using his therapeutic -- therapeutic

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use exemption. Durant Thomas has responded on social media, it

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shouldn't even need saying but we back Dave 100%. I have known him for

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a long time and I would not want anyone else leading Team Sky.

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Peter Kennaugh added I think all the riders on Team Sky would join me in

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saying they are completely behind Dave Brailsford. One rider is

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conspicuous by his absence, Chris Froome, the three-time Tour de

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France winner is yet to respond to the request, which does not look

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good for Team Sky. This response to something so serious as well. There

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have been plenty of questions and calling for Brailsford to resign, we

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will see if he can survive in the coming weeks.

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And a massive task facing Arsenal in the Champions League tonight.

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It'll be interesting to gauge the atmosphere between Arsene Wenger and

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various players? We might see a different side to Arsene Wenger, he

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has asked for lucid rage from his against Bayern Munich, who are

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looking to achieve the miraculous results, 5-1 down in the first leg

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from the Champions League last 16 tie, Wenger has caused for total

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commitment. The players are ready to fight but it is always a mixture of

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a little bit of success or a little bit of belief. I think we live in a

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world of small margins, if you drop off a little bit on the belief side

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or the confidence fronted looks like you do not want to fight. I won in

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2% believe these players want to do well and win.

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He will need them to fight pretty hard, they are 33-1 to make it to

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the next round. On the BBC sport website you can see what is more

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less likely to happen than matter. More or less likely that Vladimir

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Putin will win the next Russian election? That is more likely, just

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3-1. More less likely that Australia will win Eurovision? That is just

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10-1. The next James Bond being a female actor? More likely, just

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16-1. How about the existence of alien life being prudent 2017? Also

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more likely, just 20-1. Lots of fun to be had on the website, especially

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if you are a Spurs fan. We will see is a miracle happens. Thank you.

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The parents of a seven-month-old baby boy who are challenging doctors

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in court not to switch off his life support machine say they deserve

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the right to decide the fate of their son.

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Charlie Gard is receiving 24-hour treatment at

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London's Great Ormond Street Hospital for a genetic condition

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so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person

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With no accepted cure for the disease, doctors now believe

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Charlie should be allowed to die with dignity.

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But his parents say pioneering US treatment could save his life.

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They now have less than a month to prove that to a judge.

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Connie Yates and Chris Gard are here.

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When Charlie was born in August, perfectly healthy. Everything seemed

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normal. We had no worries. At what point did you start to worry? By six

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weeks he looked weaker and by eight weeks we took him into hospital

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because he appeared to have lost weight. What did they do? They did a

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few tests but they didn't know what was wrong at the time. He got

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transferred to great or Monday Street Hospital on 11th October. He

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has been there ever And pretty much since. You two as well. Tell us

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about the condition Charlie is in. It is hondrial depletion syndrome.

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He is missing an enzyme. So yeah. What does that mean about his

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condition on a day-to-day basis Chris? What you do and not do?

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Slight movements. Move his hands, move his fingers and eyes. He can't

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open them fully, but he can still open his eyes and see us and he

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responds to us. We don't feel he is in pain at all. We wouldn't say he's

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suffering. He has not got the same life as normal seven-month-old baby,

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but what we're asking for is something that can make him better.

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If we were going to court to either end care or to leave him how he is,

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we know that's not a life for the long-term, but it is having

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something out there which can, you know, improve him and give him a

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better quality of life and hopefully make him better is the reason why

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we're still sitting here fighting now. I'll ask you more about the

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treatment in America in a moment. In terms of the months that he has been

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in the hospital, October to now, do you believe his condition has

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deteriorated? It has since we got there, but in the last sort of

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couple of months he hasn't got any worse. He stayed very stable, hasn't

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he, the last couple of months. Yes. My understanding is the doctors feel

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he has deteriorated. He has since he got there, but not in recent months.

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He's stable. He's not on any painkillers. Just a ventilator. He

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doesn't have any IV lines or anything like that. In terms of what

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the specialists at great or Monday Street were saying, they could do

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for him, what sort of things were they looking at? What sort of things

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were you looking at? At what point did it come clear that they weren't

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going to be able to treat him? There isn't much they can do for hondrial

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depletion syndrome. They told us no treatment, no cure. So they have

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given him vitamins and stuff which can boost the mitochondria he

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has. You have done research. What did you find. There was another

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mitochondrial syndrome that had a treatment. There was a research

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article I read where they said that it should also work for Charlie's

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gene as well. Even though it is a different gene? It is a similar

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cell. I went out to try and find this particular doctor. He has been

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very helpful. He's waiting for Charlie in America. So he has agreed

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to treat Charlie? Yes. When did you realise that the doctors in the

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hospital weren't going to support you in this? Thursday. The day

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before court. They told us we could do Go to America subject to money

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and things like that, but and then they said that they don't think it

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is in his best interests. I said but he hasn't deteriorated recently

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since they said we could go to America. What was that like when you

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found out there was a really big fundamental difference of opinion,

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Chris? Well, it's difficult because we feel like we've been fighting for

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a long time. It seems like we've been fighting since the day we found

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out Charlie was ill, you know. At the end of the day, we want him to

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be given the chance, you're never going to find treatments or cures

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for these things if you never try anything. What we're asking to give

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him are not poisons, they're naturally occurring compounds that

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me and you can do produce and unfortunately he is deficient in

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them and he can't produce them himself. So, you know, there is no

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real known side-effects to the medications so I kind of think the

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hole time has been why not try? There is no side-effects. It is just

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something that his body requires, you know, it's very different, I

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know, people will say it is very different, insulin for diabetics, if

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a diabetic doesn't have insulin, they're in trouble and someone said

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it is very different, insulin is known to be safe in humans. Well,

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how did you find out who was the first person to try this? Because he

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has got a rare disease he doesn't have a treatment at the moment, but

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he's only number 16. We want to do this for Charlie. He always has been

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and always will be our number one priority, but we know how it feels

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to have someone born with this disease so if anyone in the future

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is born with this disease, we want something that can help this and we

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want to find a treatment and cure for mitochondrial disease. We want

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parents taken into the side room and told we have got something your

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child. We don't want the devastating news that there is nothing we can

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do. You have been taken into a side room many times. What did they say

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to you? They said they were the worst results they had seen in a

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living baby. They were amazed he made it to eight weeks. He was 13,

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or 14 weeks at that point. They said they were amazed he could move his

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little finger. We were so proud of him. He shouldn't be there at 13, 14

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weeks. We thought you're fighting here. As long as you're fighting

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we're going to keep fighting for you. Halfs he like in the first few

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weeks then? Perfect. He's still perfect. He's our little man. We

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didn't have any worries. He had his own little personality and started

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smiling and all the usual things. Just started getting weaker and

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yeah. When they said they are the worst results we have ever seen and

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he shouldn't really be here now. Was that the point at which they said

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there is no treatment? There is no cure for this? They did say that to

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us before. We got there on the Tuesday and then on the Friday they

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said, "We suspect he has got mitochondrial disease." We were told

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we had days left with him and that was in October/November. We're now

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March so... What is the atmosphere like at the hospital when there are

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medical specialists there who want to do the best for your baby. You're

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there, you want to do the best for your baby, but you have this really

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big difference of opinion? I don't see how the best is for him just to

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die. The best is for him to be given a chance. I think they say he's in

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pain. The people say that he's in pain don't spend all day with him

:24:24.:24:27.

and all night with him. He's not on painkillers. If they thought he was

:24:28.:24:32.

in pain, he would be in painkillers. We are there every day and all day

:24:33.:24:37.

and people who wrote the reports for court spend very little time with

:24:38.:24:40.

Charlie. So if anyone knows him, they're the experts when it comes to

:24:41.:24:44.

the clinical side of things, but if anyone knows him, do you think if we

:24:45.:24:48.

suspected he was in pain, we'd still be fighting this hard? If we were

:24:49.:24:52.

sitting there thinking he is in pain, we would have let him go a

:24:53.:24:55.

long time ago. He is our boy. We love him. We're doing all this for

:24:56.:25:00.

Charlie. He can't hear, is that right? He can't cry? His muscles are

:25:01.:25:08.

very weak. I can tell if he is unhappy and if he's crying, but I

:25:09.:25:11.

can understand how someone else couldn't see it because his muscles

:25:12.:25:15.

are very weak. So what would he do to show that he wasn't happy? You're

:25:16.:25:21.

going to make me pull silly faces on the telly. I didn't know what the

:25:22.:25:25.

answer is? You can see him do something with his mouth. He can get

:25:26.:25:29.

tears in his eyes. Really? It is a facial expression because the

:25:30.:25:32.

muscles are so weak. We do understand why. People can't tell.

:25:33.:25:36.

Are you, you are allowed to touch him and you are allowed to stroke

:25:37.:25:40.

him and are you allowed to hold him? Yeah. You lie alongside him. He has

:25:41.:25:45.

got a big bed now so we can lie alongside him. The scenario that

:25:46.:25:49.

you're in now is that actually the decision has been taken out of your

:25:50.:25:53.

hands? Yes. And out of the hands of the doctors and a decision about

:25:54.:25:57.

your son's life will now be made by a judge. Who has never met him

:25:58.:26:02.

before. What do you think about that? I hate it. I can't bear the

:26:03.:26:09.

thought of it. He's our boy. We've always had his best interests at

:26:10.:26:13.

heart. Those three words I've heard more are in Charlie's best

:26:14.:26:19.

interests. We're his mum and dad, his best interests always will be

:26:20.:26:22.

our main priority. What do you have to do at the next hearing? You have

:26:23.:26:27.

to persuade the judge that the treatment in America is what, I

:26:28.:26:32.

don't know, going to work, is worth it, how do you have to go about

:26:33.:26:38.

persuading this judge? Just... Do you have to give him evidence about

:26:39.:26:41.

the treatment? As much evidence as we can, but there is limited data on

:26:42.:26:45.

it. There is some scientific proof which I'll share with him, but and

:26:46.:26:51.

yeah... It's difficult because it is so rarement people are saying the

:26:52.:26:54.

data is not out there, but he's number 16 in the world to have the

:26:55.:26:59.

infantile version of this. The judge has described this as the most

:27:00.:27:04.

tragic situation. He talked about you as truly devoted parents and he

:27:05.:27:08.

will, "Have to balance on the one hand the risk of pain and suffering

:27:09.:27:13.

to Charlie against the possibility that the treatment in America could

:27:14.:27:20.

prove to be successful." I mean that's an impossible decision in a

:27:21.:27:22.

way, isn't it? I wouldn't like to be that judge.

:27:23.:27:30.

Rather him than me right now. I'm going to read you some messages from

:27:31.:27:34.

people watching you around the country KDB tweets this, "This is so

:27:35.:27:39.

heartbreaking, but the parents should decide." Nicky says, "I

:27:40.:27:42.

support the parents. They should be able to help their baby boy without

:27:43.:27:48.

a court case." You are trying to raise money. Tell our audience the

:27:49.:27:52.

reasons why you need over ?1 million. We need to get a private

:27:53.:27:58.

air ambulance there because he's ventilate sod we require a doctor

:27:59.:28:02.

and nurse just to look after him. And the care in America is very

:28:03.:28:06.

expensive because it's private healthcare. And then the medications

:28:07.:28:12.

that he'd require as well. They are just oral medications. They are not

:28:13.:28:17.

too overly expensive, but it is mostly the care. And where are you

:28:18.:28:22.

up to in that? In terms of raising the money? I didn't check this

:28:23.:28:31.

morning? About ?23,000. Is it? Wow. This is what great or Monday street

:28:32.:28:36.

say, "Charlie has a rare and complex disease which which there is no

:28:37.:28:40.

accepted care. Charlie was very ill when he was admitted to great or

:28:41.:28:44.

Monday Street Hospital and he remained under 24 hour care in our

:28:45.:28:52.

intensive care unit. We feel we have exhausted all available proven

:28:53.:28:56.

treatment options. We can't imagine how hugely distressing this is for

:28:57.:28:59.

the family. We continue to support them every way we can while

:29:00.:29:05.

advocating what we believe is best for Charlie."

:29:06.:29:10.

What do you say to that? I just wish we were trusted to know what was

:29:11.:29:15.

best for our son. I think we've shown the dedication we've got.

:29:16.:29:20.

We're not keeping him here just for our benefit, you know, because we

:29:21.:29:26.

can't bear to lose him. As I said, he has fought to save, to stay here

:29:27.:29:33.

and you know as I say, if we feel he's in pain and suffering which we

:29:34.:29:38.

don't because seriously we would not be doing this. We are not bad

:29:39.:29:41.

parents. We just want him to be given the chance and if he's not in

:29:42.:29:45.

pain and not suffering as we feel he is then you know we will fight to

:29:46.:29:48.

the very end to get him the treatment that we think will work,

:29:49.:29:52.

you know, we're convinced it will work. Jo says, "I feel so sorry for

:29:53.:29:56.

Charlie's parents. Of course, they want to fight for their son, but

:29:57.:29:59.

surely you have to listen to the doctors."

:30:00.:30:04.

You're listening to a doctor in America who has used these

:30:05.:30:09.

medications and in the research behind them, we think it will work

:30:10.:30:17.

-- we are listening to. He is a urologist specialising in

:30:18.:30:20.

mitochondrial disease and neurological conditions.

:30:21.:30:24.

Rowan says my heart goes out to the couple. Sandra says what an awful

:30:25.:30:29.

position. Another view says my heart goes out to them and Charlie. Debra,

:30:30.:30:34.

we need to support that is -- the parents, doctors are not always

:30:35.:30:39.

right. Helen says I would like to offer ?20,000 to help with Charlie's

:30:40.:30:44.

treatment in America. Thank you, Helen. That's amazing. Oh, my word.

:30:45.:30:51.

I know a lot of people say they have to listen to the doctors, but kids

:30:52.:30:56.

are Jura ball. Kids defied the doctors every day. We believe

:30:57.:31:02.

Charlie is a special boy. He is our son, we love him, of course we will

:31:03.:31:07.

be biased, but he is a special boy, a little warrior. Thank you both. We

:31:08.:31:13.

will report back for our audience on what happens in court in a few

:31:14.:31:17.

weeks. In the meantime, thank you for coming on the programme. Thank

:31:18.:31:21.

you for having us. If you want to get in touch about

:31:22.:31:28.

that, please do. You can send us an e-mail, you can message us on

:31:29.:31:29.

Twitter. Still to come, Jeremy Corbyn calls

:31:30.:31:30.

on the government to scrap plans to limit access

:31:31.:31:33.

to a key disability benefit. We'll have his full interview

:31:34.:31:35.

in the next few minutes. A British backpacker

:31:36.:31:39.

is allegedly raped and assaulted during a two-month hostage

:31:40.:31:41.

ordeal in Queensland. We'll have the latest

:31:42.:31:43.

live from Sydney. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:31:44.:31:53.

with a summary of the news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:31:54.:31:56.

programme that he believes Theresa May's government has

:31:57.:31:58.

an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:31:59.:32:00.

the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:32:01.:32:05.

disability benefits - particularly personal

:32:06.:32:08.

independent payments. The government has insisted that the

:32:09.:32:20.

welfare system is a strong safety net for those in need of it?

:32:21.:32:26.

They seem to have an issue over disabilities, last year they tried

:32:27.:32:30.

to remove the personal independence payments by ?4 billion, they then

:32:31.:32:33.

reversed that cut after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later, and

:32:34.:32:39.

then agreed to carry on paying it. There is a deficit built into the

:32:40.:32:43.

budget already because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to

:32:44.:32:48.

prevent the bill rising further. I think they just need to think about

:32:49.:32:52.

the kind of society we are, the way we support people.

:32:53.:32:55.

And you can listen to Victoria's full interview with Jeremy Corbyn

:32:56.:32:57.

right here in a couple of minutes' time.

:32:58.:32:59.

Facebook's procedures for vetting content on its pages have been

:33:00.:33:02.

strongly criticised after a BBC investigation found it was failing

:33:03.:33:04.

to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children.

:33:05.:33:07.

The chair of the commons media committee Damian Collins has said

:33:08.:33:10.

it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness

:33:11.:33:12.

Facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal

:33:13.:33:16.

Downing Street has rejected a call from the former

:33:17.:33:24.

Conservative leader, Lord Hague, to call

:33:25.:33:26.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, he says Theresa May needs a decisive

:33:27.:33:30.

Commons majority to head off backbench rebellions.

:33:31.:33:31.

Mrs May has repeatedly ruled out going to the country before

:33:32.:33:34.

A couple fighting a court battle from preventing Great Ormond Street

:33:35.:33:49.

Hospital from turning off their baby's live support they say they

:33:50.:33:53.

just want to improve his quality of life. Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:33:54.:33:58.

want to take their son Charlie to America for pioneering treatment.

:33:59.:34:01.

Doctors at Great Ormond Street have applied to withdraw life support on

:34:02.:34:05.

the grounds it is not in his best interests.

:34:06.:34:08.

If we were going to court to either end care or to leave him how he is,

:34:09.:34:14.

we know that is not a life for the long term, you know poster not but

:34:15.:34:18.

it is having something out that that will give him a better quality of

:34:19.:34:22.

life and hopefully make him better, that is the reason we are still

:34:23.:34:35.

sitting here fighting. More at 10am. This on personal independence

:34:36.:34:39.

payments, Martin text this, Jeremy Corbyn is 110% right what he says

:34:40.:34:45.

about PIP. I have tried six times to get on PIP payments because of my

:34:46.:34:49.

disabilities, now I am trying for my seventh with Atos. They are the

:34:50.:34:54.

private company which does the assessments. 99% of applicants will

:34:55.:35:03.

fail to qualify for PIP. He must, must come to Swindon and takes his

:35:04.:35:06.

seat from the Conservatives after years and years of neglect. More on

:35:07.:35:11.

that after the sport. Good morning.

:35:12.:35:12.

Well, Chelsea are looking pretty unstoppable in the race

:35:13.:35:14.

They survived the test of a London derby last night,

:35:15.:35:18.

Eden Hazard and Diego Costa goals helping them to

:35:19.:35:20.

The are now 10 points clear with 11 games left.

:35:21.:35:25.

Manchester United talisman Zlatan Ibrahimovic faces

:35:26.:35:26.

missing their FA Cup quarter final against Chelsea after being charged

:35:27.:35:29.

He appeared to try and elbow Tyrone Mings of Bounemouth

:35:30.:35:34.

If given a three match ban he'd also miss league games

:35:35.:35:38.

Five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan beat Liang Wenbo 5

:35:39.:35:45.

frames to 1 to reach the second round at the Players

:35:46.:35:48.

And day-night cricket will be included in the Women's Ashes

:35:49.:35:56.

England and Australia will meet in Brisbane in October

:35:57.:35:59.

with the first of three one-day internationals, before

:36:00.:36:01.

-- test and Twenty20 matches as well. That is all, we will be back

:36:02.:36:10.

at just after 10am. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has

:36:11.:36:12.

told this programme the Government He's calling on them to scrap plans

:36:13.:36:15.

to limit access to a key disability The Government wants to reverse two

:36:16.:36:19.

recent court rulings that would have made another 160,000 people eligible

:36:20.:36:23.

for the personal independence PIP is a benefit paid to the long

:36:24.:36:26.

term ill or disabled. It is replacing an older payment

:36:27.:36:34.

called Disability Living Allowance. PIP has two parts -

:36:35.:36:38.

one to cover daily living expenses, the other to cover mobility

:36:39.:36:41.

or getting around. Under PIP you are scored

:36:42.:36:44.

based on your needs. More than eight points and you get

:36:45.:36:47.

the lower or standard rate. That is ?55.10 a week for expenses

:36:48.:36:56.

and ?21.10 a week for mobility. More than 12 points

:36:57.:37:01.

and you get an enhanced rate. That is around ?82 for living is and

:37:02.:37:05.

over 50 points for mobility. Last year judges at two tribunals

:37:06.:37:12.

said more points should be given if you suffer overwhelming

:37:13.:37:14.

psychological distress when making a journey or if you need

:37:15.:37:16.

help to take medication. That - says the Government -

:37:17.:37:19.

would make another 160,000 people eligible and would cost the taxpayer

:37:20.:37:21.

?3.7 billion over Whenever we talk about PIP on this

:37:22.:37:24.

programme we get hundreds of texts Last week we were contacted

:37:25.:37:28.

by Brian Rollinson who served with the British Army

:37:29.:37:31.

in Northern Ireland in the 1980s. He was injured back then and later

:37:32.:37:36.

diagnosed with Post Traumatic Our reporter Jim Reed went

:37:37.:37:39.

to meet him yesterday The first tour was very tough,

:37:40.:37:43.

walking the streets of Northern Ireland not knowing,

:37:44.:37:54.

would you be coming back safely? It had a massive effect

:37:55.:38:00.

on me later on in life. My day-to-day life, I have daily

:38:01.:38:09.

flashbacks, traumas, I try and avoid difficult

:38:10.:38:13.

situations like supermarkets, going on public transport and PTSD

:38:14.:38:23.

is an illness that I don't think So, you know, look at

:38:24.:38:28.

the paperwork I have to submit! I was very relieved after the first

:38:29.:38:45.

tribunal that we won our case and, I thought, right, I can

:38:46.:39:07.

get on now living. In 2015, we're looking two years

:39:08.:39:12.

straight after the first tribunal, I had a letter saying we need to do

:39:13.:39:15.

another assessment on your I was thinking to myself,

:39:16.:39:20.

"What's happening now?" I thought, "That's

:39:21.:39:35.

it, it's all done." The claim is being looked at

:39:36.:39:40.

and I've gone back down to standard. I don't want to be too

:39:41.:39:55.

blunt but it's pathetic. I don't think that these people

:39:56.:40:07.

making these decisions And it was a very

:40:08.:40:23.

difficult time yet again. You feel like a criminal

:40:24.:40:31.

because of what I had to go through over the last

:40:32.:40:38.

couple of years. Yes, I didn't want

:40:39.:40:40.

to be here any more. I think that speaks for itself

:40:41.:40:42.

without me saying those words, but, this really got

:40:43.:40:44.

me down, really did. I think ministers, government,

:40:45.:40:48.

need to have a look As we've been hearing,

:40:49.:40:50.

the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has told this programme that

:40:51.:41:04.

Theresa May's government appears to have an issue

:41:05.:41:06.

with people with disabilities. This is the full interview,

:41:07.:41:08.

and Mr Corbyn began by describing what action he's demanding

:41:09.:41:11.

from Ministers over personal The court made a ruling and the

:41:12.:41:22.

Government did not put it to the Social Security advisory committee,

:41:23.:41:26.

which is what they would normally do before introducing legislation. On

:41:27.:41:30.

the 23rd of February they laid a statutory instrument before

:41:31.:41:33.

Parliament to negate the decision of the court and thus 164,000 people

:41:34.:41:38.

did not receive enhanced PIP payments from the beginning of

:41:39.:41:43.

April. I think that is disgraceful, we will obviously oppose it when it

:41:44.:41:48.

comes before Parliament but that is the Government position, they are

:41:49.:41:54.

wrong. The Government say everybody currently on personal independence

:41:55.:41:56.

payments will continue to receive it.

:41:57.:42:03.

The current recipients will continue to receive it, these are new

:42:04.:42:07.

applications for people suffering from severe conditions such as

:42:08.:42:10.

post-traumatic stress and a number of others, who will not get the

:42:11.:42:15.

necessary enhanced payments to live an independent life. They are

:42:16.:42:19.

suffering from quite serious mental health conditions and I think they

:42:20.:42:23.

deserve to be supported. The Government's policy, in law there is

:42:24.:42:27.

a parity between physical and mental health, it seemed to be undermined

:42:28.:42:32.

by the Government's decision. The DWP says 65% of recipients, those

:42:33.:42:38.

getting PIP with the mental health condition, get the highest rate of

:42:39.:42:42.

the daily living expenses, versus 22% under the previous Labour policy

:42:43.:42:51.

of the disability living allowance. The number getting personal

:42:52.:42:52.

independence payments is considerable, they deserve it and

:42:53.:42:56.

are integral to bid. This is about new applicants are people suffering

:42:57.:42:59.

from mental health conditions who will not get the enhanced payments.

:43:00.:43:03.

I think they should, we will challenge this in Parliament and I

:43:04.:43:08.

think it is extremely unfair. Explain why having a mental health

:43:09.:43:13.

condition like anxiety, the condition referred to by Theresa

:43:14.:43:16.

May's head of policy units, is a serious in your view as having a

:43:17.:43:23.

severe disability? He is very derogatory language and sedatives

:43:24.:43:26.

eventually -- essentially people who do not have a serious condition at

:43:27.:43:33.

all. I think he should talk to people who have developed obsessive

:43:34.:43:36.

disorders, those with post-rheumatic stress and a number of others, they

:43:37.:43:43.

need support to live independently and get support to recover from it

:43:44.:43:46.

all together. Denying them the support they need in order to live

:43:47.:43:51.

independently is counter-productive because their condition will

:43:52.:43:55.

probably get worse, they will become a greater cost because they will

:43:56.:44:00.

possibly need care in a residential setting. I wonder if you think there

:44:01.:44:06.

should maybe be one payments that everyone receives regardless of the

:44:07.:44:10.

severity of their disability or mental health condition? The

:44:11.:44:15.

principle behind personal independence payments is the

:44:16.:44:18.

principal of independent living, where those who have conditions or

:44:19.:44:22.

to be able to live independently in their own home, and the costs vary

:44:23.:44:27.

between different parts of the country, different levels of

:44:28.:44:30.

conditions, meaning there has to be an assessment made. If you have a

:44:31.:44:34.

flat rate benefit to the whole country it is not necessarily

:44:35.:44:38.

reflect the costs to some people, and some need more current support

:44:39.:44:41.

than others, they might need some body to help them, others may be

:44:42.:44:50.

able to manage with minimal help -- some need more care and support than

:44:51.:44:52.

others. You cannot legislate simply for every single mental health

:44:53.:44:55.

condition. You will know the disability welfare bill has steadily

:44:56.:45:00.

increased for rent two decades, are you this morning saying you are

:45:01.:45:05.

except that it will keep increasing in the future? -- are you this

:45:06.:45:09.

morning saying that you access to that? I think it will increase for a

:45:10.:45:15.

number of reasons, one is the older population, medical research has

:45:16.:45:18.

moved on a lot and people are able to survive quite bad injuries when

:45:19.:45:21.

they end up with a disability condition which in previous decades

:45:22.:45:24.

maybe they would not have survived from. I think the costs will go up

:45:25.:45:31.

but I think we have to judge ourselves as a society. Do we

:45:32.:45:35.

believe that those with any form of disability can contribute? Yes. Do

:45:36.:45:39.

we believe they should live independently? Yes. Does that mean

:45:40.:45:43.

we have to support them? Obviously, that is part of the price of

:45:44.:45:47.

civilised living. The Government say the changes they want to make would

:45:48.:45:52.

save ?3.7 billion, where would you get that money from?

:45:53.:45:58.

I would continue by not reducing the level of inheritance tax. I would

:45:59.:46:04.

look at it as a cost that we all have to bear as a society for the

:46:05.:46:09.

benefit of all of us. That reversal in corporation tax

:46:10.:46:13.

cut, you've spent it quite a few times now. You've said you'll use it

:46:14.:46:18.

to plug the gap in social care funding and you'll use it to address

:46:19.:46:24.

the pay freeze on public sector workers and you'll abolish tuition

:46:25.:46:27.

fees and bring back grants and that adds up to ?14 billion a year. There

:46:28.:46:34.

would have to be other sources of income as well for central

:46:35.:46:40.

Government. That issue has to be decided upon. Has to be examined

:46:41.:46:44.

carefully, but I just make the point that this Government is moving in a

:46:45.:46:48.

trajectory of lowering the top rate of taxation, lowering the levels of

:46:49.:46:51.

corporate taxation, lowering the levels of inheritance tax, all that

:46:52.:46:55.

has a price to pay and it is all of us who have to pay that price.

:46:56.:47:02.

Reversing the corporation tax cut saves ?7.5 billion over five years,

:47:03.:47:07.

and reintroducing the 50 pence tax rate brings in ?100 million a year.

:47:08.:47:13.

Where else would you pay for this ?3.7 billion for these enhanced

:47:14.:47:17.

payments for more claimants? Let's start from the principle we should

:47:18.:47:21.

pay them. Start from the principle that these people are entitled to

:47:22.:47:25.

that care and support and we have to raise the taxation to deal with it

:47:26.:47:29.

and we're also considering the level which we would raise corporation tax

:47:30.:47:34.

in order to raise more funds for public needs because we do need it

:47:35.:47:39.

as you quite rightly identify to fund education improvements as well

:47:40.:47:43.

as maintain a decent level of funding for those with disabilities

:47:44.:47:46.

and also, of course, properly fund our NHS and social care system. You

:47:47.:47:51.

will know there is a certain level of public support for reducing the

:47:52.:47:56.

welfare bill? There is always a public support for lots of different

:47:57.:48:01.

things, but I think anyone who has talked to somebody, who has gone

:48:02.:48:06.

through a mental health crisis, somebody that's going through

:48:07.:48:10.

post-traumatic stress or somebody that's suffering from physical

:48:11.:48:12.

disability, everybody would recognise they have a right to be

:48:13.:48:15.

able to live their lives as independently as possible and as

:48:16.:48:19.

decently as possible. I think when you put to the public the simple

:48:20.:48:23.

human case for spending all of our resources or helping those people to

:48:24.:48:27.

live fuller lives then I think there is a lot of support for that. Do you

:48:28.:48:33.

think Theresa May and her Government have an I shall ub with people with

:48:34.:48:39.

disabilities? They seem to have an issue over social care and they seem

:48:40.:48:43.

to have an issue over disabilities because last year they did try toe

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remove the Personal Independence Payments by ?4 billion. They then

:48:49.:48:52.

reversed that cut after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and

:48:53.:48:57.

then agreed to carry on paying it. So there is a deficit built into the

:48:58.:49:02.

Budget already because of that. They then see this as a further

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opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. Well, I think they

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just need to think about the kind of society we are. The way we support

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people and hope they will change their minds on this. We will

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certainly oppose the statutory instrument in Parliament. That's the

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legal jargon for bringing this thing in and hope the Government will

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change its mind. We certainly have never changed our minds on this.

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People need support. Why would they have an issue with people with

:49:33.:49:37.

certain disabilities? I think they have an issue about being prepared

:49:38.:49:41.

to argue the case to spend public money in supporting people who need

:49:42.:49:44.

to be able to live as independently as possible. All the time I have

:49:45.:49:49.

been in Parliament there has been debates about disability, we have

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moved a long, long way. We got equalities legislation and

:49:54.:49:56.

disabilities right and we got parity of he is seem through on physical

:49:57.:49:59.

and mental health and things have changed a great deal. Clearly, there

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is a cost involved in that. It is how you judge and measure society.

:50:04.:50:08.

Let me ask you one or two other questions if I may. One of your own

:50:09.:50:13.

Labour MPs said the former Conservative Prime Minister John

:50:14.:50:16.

Major is more effective at attacking Theresa May than Labour right now.

:50:17.:50:21.

Is that colleague of yours right? I have no idea who he is or she is or

:50:22.:50:26.

why they say that. We are attacking this Government on issues of health

:50:27.:50:30.

and social care as we have just been discussing. We are attacking this

:50:31.:50:34.

Government on issues of economic development, of unemployment, under

:50:35.:50:38.

employment, zero-hours contracts and insecurity in work, we're attacking

:50:39.:50:42.

this Government on all these fronts. Because John Major is critical of

:50:43.:50:45.

the Government over the European Union, so are we. We have accepted

:50:46.:50:49.

the result of the referendum. But we also want to make sure there is a

:50:50.:50:53.

good, effective tariff-free trading relationship with Europe in the

:50:54.:50:58.

future. Former Conservative leader William Hague says Theresa May

:50:59.:51:02.

should scrap the legislation that would then allow her to call a snap

:51:03.:51:05.

general election. Would you welcome that? Well, the legislation was put

:51:06.:51:11.

in with all party support only in the last Parliament which is known

:51:12.:51:17.

as a fixed term parliaments Act, the fixed Parliament Acts require that

:51:18.:51:22.

Parliament goes for five years unless two-thirds of MPs vote for

:51:23.:51:26.

dissolution of Parliament. We supported that legislation because

:51:27.:51:29.

we wanted to ensure greater stability in politics, but if there

:51:30.:51:33.

is a proposal to get rid of it then I'm sure we'd consider it. Does that

:51:34.:51:37.

mean you would welcome the snap general election or not? I want to

:51:38.:51:41.

see a different Government. I don't want to see this Government in

:51:42.:51:44.

office. So you would welcome the snap general election.

:51:45.:51:49.

Theoretically, are you saying you'd win it then? We would take our case

:51:50.:51:59.

out to the country. The case out for dealing with the housing crisis

:52:00.:52:03.

rather than leaving so many people living in housing stress or homeless

:52:04.:52:12.

or unable to buy because they can't find anywhere to buy. The latest

:52:13.:52:20.

poll puts Labour 18 points behind the Conservative Government. That's

:52:21.:52:24.

the biggest lead since you became leader and it has been like that for

:52:25.:52:28.

a few months which suggests even if voters agree with your message, they

:52:29.:52:32.

like your message, they've stopped listening to you as the messenger?

:52:33.:52:38.

We're getting out there with our case, our case for national Health

:52:39.:52:41.

Service, our case for social care, our case for jobs, our case for

:52:42.:52:45.

housing, our case for decency in society. We will put that out there.

:52:46.:52:49.

We'll put that out there because the levels of inequality in this country

:52:50.:52:53.

are totally unacceptable and the inability of so many young people to

:52:54.:52:57.

make the most of their lives because of the levels of debt they get into

:52:58.:53:02.

in university or the very low levels of pay they get, or the high cost of

:53:03.:53:06.

rent in the private rented sector. If you put that out there, do you

:53:07.:53:10.

think that's enough for you to win a snap general election? We will be

:53:11.:53:12.

out there campaigning. We will be out there taking our message, taking

:53:13.:53:16.

our message of hope to the people of this country. And we're very

:53:17.:53:19.

confident that that message will be well received. Does that mean yes,

:53:20.:53:22.

you could win a snap general election? We will take our case out.

:53:23.:53:29.

We will do our very best to win an election. Nobody knows the result of

:53:30.:53:33.

an election before they go into it, but we do know that we have a

:53:34.:53:37.

strong, moral and just case to put to the people of this country, of

:53:38.:53:43.

the kind of country we could be. You definitely won't say yes, you could

:53:44.:53:48.

win a snap general election. Nobody can say they're going to win an

:53:49.:53:52.

election. All you can say is you go into an election determined to win

:53:53.:53:55.

it so that you can deliver for the people of this country the kind of

:53:56.:53:58.

society they deserve and we believe is possible.

:53:59.:54:04.

I wonder is the soft coup that your shod owe chancellor revealed

:54:05.:54:07.

recently, is that over or still ongoing? I'm asking all Labour MPs

:54:08.:54:13.

to get behind the strategy we're putting forward. Get behind an

:54:14.:54:17.

investment-led economy, get behind our opposition to what this

:54:18.:54:22.

Government is doing in creating greater inequality in our society.

:54:23.:54:25.

We have a large party membership campaigning week in and week out and

:54:26.:54:29.

we have council and mayoral elections coming up. We're going to

:54:30.:54:32.

be together on those doorsteps winning the elections. Do you think

:54:33.:54:35.

privately there are some of your colleagues who are plotting against

:54:36.:54:40.

you still? I think there is a media obsession with the internal workings

:54:41.:54:43.

of the Labour Party. Well, it was John McDonnell, it was your Shadow

:54:44.:54:46.

Chancellor who told us about a soft coup... I know. I know. Listen,

:54:47.:54:54.

let's get out there on the policies, let's get out there united as a

:54:55.:54:57.

party, determined to change the way that people live in our society so

:54:58.:55:01.

they can live better lives, that's what politics is really all about.

:55:02.:55:04.

What do you want to see from the Chancellor in tomorrow's Budget?

:55:05.:55:10.

What I would like to see is sufficient funding for the NHS and

:55:11.:55:12.

social care. I think that's a key. What I would also like to see is

:55:13.:55:16.

addressing the issues of the school funding crisis which means that many

:55:17.:55:20.

schools are now faced with a horrible prospect of laying off

:55:21.:55:24.

teachers or teaching assistants. Classes gotting bigger and

:55:25.:55:27.

children's support in education getting less. I want to see those

:55:28.:55:31.

issues addressed and I also want to see something very positive about

:55:32.:55:35.

housing particularly development of council housing so that people can

:55:36.:55:38.

get somewhere decent to live rather than having to pay often very

:55:39.:55:42.

excessive rents for inadequate quality of private rented

:55:43.:55:46.

accommodation. We are expecting an announcement on an increase in

:55:47.:55:49.

funding for school places in the Budget including for new grammar

:55:50.:55:52.

school places, what do you think of those Conservative plans? I think

:55:53.:55:58.

they're barking up the wrong tree completely on this. The issue of

:55:59.:56:02.

school funding and school places. The issue isn't going around to

:56:03.:56:07.

develop selective education. The issue is supporting the schools that

:56:08.:56:11.

we've got and supporting the principal of local community schools

:56:12.:56:14.

rather than selection. There is no great public support for selection

:56:15.:56:17.

because they realise if you have selection for one group of people,

:56:18.:56:22.

somebody else doesn't get selected. Please forgive me Mr Corbyn, I will

:56:23.:56:26.

come back to my question about whether you think you would win a

:56:27.:56:29.

snap general election. Are you telling me... Are you telling me

:56:30.:56:35.

that you're confident you would win a general election? We're going to

:56:36.:56:41.

take our case out to the countriment we're very confident of the support

:56:42.:56:44.

we can get to win an election to take our case to the British people.

:56:45.:56:47.

Don't under estimate the support there is for the Labour Party. Don't

:56:48.:56:51.

under estimate the anger that there is out there of the levels of

:56:52.:56:54.

inequality and injustice in our society. We'll expose that. That's

:56:55.:56:59.

where our case is very, very strong. Can you answer yes or no, please?

:57:00.:57:03.

You've asked me the question, many, many times, how many times do I have

:57:04.:57:06.

to tell you, we're taking our case out there to win because we believe

:57:07.:57:10.

we can win. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you.

:57:11.:57:14.

We will get reaction to that from the former Work and Pensions

:57:15.:57:23.

Secretary, Stephen Crabb. Denise says, "He can't answer a simple

:57:24.:57:26.

question as to how he would pay for it. I fully support the welfare cuts

:57:27.:57:32.

and the Government." Vivy says, "I agree with Jeremy Corbyn. I'm

:57:33.:57:35.

concerned about the Government's attitude to the disabled." Emma

:57:36.:57:38.

says, "It isn't just people with mental health issues that will be

:57:39.:57:42.

affected by PIP changes is this is a huge issue, but not the only issue."

:57:43.:57:47.

Sarah says, "Corbyn is talking rubbish. He's plucking his money

:57:48.:57:56.

tree again." Ness says, "The system is cruel. It is judgemental and it

:57:57.:58:03.

belittles you. ." Another viewer says, "I am a carer. Are there any

:58:04.:58:08.

stats on how many suicides occurred as a result of the forms and the

:58:09.:58:11.

process? If only the Government could see the despair and defeat on

:58:12.:58:16.

the faces of the vulnerable people I go to to look after." Thank you. The

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latest news and sport in a moment after the weather. Here is Stav.

:58:22.:58:27.

Good morning. What a chilly one it has been. It will be the last of the

:58:28.:58:37.

chilly mornings. Plenty of sunshine to compensate the cold morning.

:58:38.:58:41.

Further west the cloud is continuing to thicken like this picture shows

:58:42.:58:44.

in Somerset. That's because we've got this weather front which is

:58:45.:58:48.

slowly creeping in off the Atlantic to brood deuce stronger winds and

:58:49.:58:51.

thicker cloud and rain to western areas as the day wears on. There is

:58:52.:58:56.

another weather front affecting the north-east corner of Scotland and

:58:57.:59:00.

the Northern Isles. Lots of sunshine around, but the rain will continue

:59:01.:59:04.

to march in slowly across more western areas. For Scotland, not a

:59:05.:59:07.

bad afternoon. There should be good sunshine around on the mainland.

:59:08.:59:11.

Sunshine and showers continuing across the Northern Isles. More

:59:12.:59:14.

prolonged rain at times and feeling cold with the wind there. Some of

:59:15.:59:17.

the rain getting in towards Western Scotland because for Northern

:59:18.:59:20.

Ireland here, for you, it will be turning cloudier and wetter and

:59:21.:59:23.

breezier for this part of the afternoon and the rain gotting in

:59:24.:59:26.

towards parts of Wales and the south-west of England, but the

:59:27.:59:28.

Midlands eastwards will hold on to the drier and the brighter weather.

:59:29.:59:32.

The sunshine becoming hazier at times too, but in the brighter spots

:59:33.:59:37.

we could make ten or 11 Celsius. Elsewhere, staying in single

:59:38.:59:41.

figures. It isn't until this evening and overnight the rain gets its act

:59:42.:59:45.

together and marches across the UK. A bit of snow over the higher ground

:59:46.:59:49.

of Scotland for a while before that mild air pumps in right across the

:59:50.:59:53.

UK. So by the end of tonight, we're looking at temperatures of four to

:59:54.:59:56.

maybe nine Celsius across the south. So it means for Wednesday, we're in

:59:57.:00:01.

the mild air. It is going to be a tale of two halfs. Northern areas

:00:02.:00:04.

will see blustery showers. For Scotland and Northern Ireland and

:00:05.:00:06.

the far north of England Arsunshine. For much of England and Wales the

:00:07.:00:09.

weather front will be stubborn to clear so it will be damp here.

:00:10.:00:14.

Outbreaks of rain. Some hill fog and mist and murk, but very mild

:00:15.:00:17.

across-the-board, but across central and southern parts of Britain with

:00:18.:00:20.

top temperatures of around 14 Celsius. If we pull out to show the

:00:21.:00:25.

big picture into Thursday, you can see the area of low pressure moves

:00:26.:00:28.

away from the north of Scotland and we will have a weather front across

:00:29.:00:30.

the south of the country, but I think it is a ridge of high pressure

:00:31.:00:34.

dominating so for many areas, it should be dry with sunshine, and

:00:35.:00:37.

probably the best of the sunshine across eastern areas. A lot of cloud

:00:38.:00:40.

further south and west. A few showers across the south and very

:00:41.:00:45.

mild again with top temperatures of 14 Celsius or 15 Celsius. The mild

:00:46.:00:48.

air will be with us until the end of the week and into the weekend, but

:00:49.:00:52.

don't expect wall to wall sunshine. There is going to be a lot of cloud

:00:53.:00:56.

around and outbreaks of rain too. It stays mild into the start of next

:00:57.:00:57.

week too. That's your weather. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10am,

:00:58.:01:02.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire. In a court battle to keep

:01:03.:01:05.

their seventh month old baby alive, we hear from a couple who tell us

:01:06.:01:08.

exclusively why they are fighting to take their seriously ill

:01:09.:01:11.

son Charlie to the USA for potentially

:01:12.:01:14.

lifesaving treatment. At the end of the day, we just want

:01:15.:01:25.

him to be given a chance because, you know, you will never find

:01:26.:01:30.

treatments or cures for these things if you never try anything. What

:01:31.:01:36.

we're asking to give him are not poisons, they are naturally

:01:37.:01:41.

occurring compounds that me and you can produce, unfortunately he is

:01:42.:01:46.

deficient in them. So many of you getting untouched, Mark says my

:01:47.:01:50.

heart and love go to you two and you... Your boy. -- so many of you

:01:51.:01:55.

getting into edge. You will be able to watch the full

:01:56.:01:57.

interview shortly. We'll also bring you reaction

:01:58.:01:59.

to our exclusive interview with Jeremy Corbyn -

:02:00.:02:01.

he's told us Theresa an issue with people

:02:02.:02:03.

with disabilities. They seem to have an issue of the

:02:04.:02:10.

disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence

:02:11.:02:17.

payments by ?4 billion. I think they have to think about the kind of

:02:18.:02:20.

society we are, the way we support people. In the next few minutes we

:02:21.:02:27.

will bring you an interview with former Work and Pensions Secretary

:02:28.:02:29.

for the Conservatives, Stephen Crabb, he flatly rejects the idea

:02:30.:02:35.

that the Conservative Government has an issue with people with

:02:36.:02:36.

disabilities. And the army widow who says she has

:02:37.:02:37.

suffered five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

:02:38.:02:40.

attacked her in his sleep. She says post-traumatic

:02:41.:02:42.

stress was involved. She tells us why she is suing the

:02:43.:02:47.

Ministry of Defence. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:02:48.:02:51.

with a summary of today's news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:02:52.:02:54.

programme that he believes Theresa May's Government has

:02:55.:02:56.

an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:02:57.:02:58.

the Government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:02:59.:03:02.

disability benefits - particularly personal

:03:03.:03:04.

independent payments. The Government has insisted

:03:05.:03:08.

that the welfare system is a strong safety net for those who are in need

:03:09.:03:11.

of it. They seem to have an issue over

:03:12.:03:15.

disabilities because last year they did try to remove

:03:16.:03:18.

the Personal Independence They then reversed that cut

:03:19.:03:20.

after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and then agreed

:03:21.:03:27.

to carry on paying it. So there is a deficit built

:03:28.:03:32.

into the Budget already They then see this as a further

:03:33.:03:34.

opportunity to prevent Well, I think they just need

:03:35.:03:38.

to think about the kind of society we are and the way

:03:39.:03:43.

we support people. The NSPCC has strongly condemned

:03:44.:03:48.

Facebook after it failed to remove some content featuring inappropriate

:03:49.:03:51.

and sexualised images of children. A BBC investigation found

:03:52.:03:56.

a hundred such images, but after reporting them,

:03:57.:03:58.

only 18 were removed. Facebook said it had taken down

:03:59.:04:03.

all items that were illegal A British woman has been rescued

:04:04.:04:05.

by police officers in Australia after allegedly being held

:04:06.:04:11.

against her will for A 22-year-old man from Queensland

:04:12.:04:13.

has been charged with several counts of rape and assault

:04:14.:04:17.

after she was found with injuries A couple who are fighting

:04:18.:04:20.

a court battle to prevent Great Ormond Street from turning

:04:21.:04:30.

off their baby's life support have told this programme they just

:04:31.:04:33.

want to improve their son's Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:04:34.:04:35.

want to take their son Charlie Doctors at Great Ormond Street have

:04:36.:04:39.

applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not

:04:40.:04:42.

in his best interest. He has fought to stay here. You

:04:43.:04:58.

know, as I say, if we feel he was in pain and suffering, which we don't,

:04:59.:05:02.

seriously, we would not be doing this. We are not bad parents. We

:05:03.:05:08.

just want him to be given a chance. If he is not in pain or suffering,

:05:09.:05:12.

as we feel he is, we will fight to the very end to get him the

:05:13.:05:13.

treatment. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:14.:05:14.

News - more at 10:30am. I want to read you this e-mail from

:05:15.:05:24.

Louise. I have been watching Charlie's parents with tears in my

:05:25.:05:27.

eyes. I want to tell you what happened to my family. The doctors

:05:28.:05:32.

wanted to turn off my dad's life support after he suffered a brain

:05:33.:05:35.

haemorrhage and heart attack in 1990. They told us he would be a

:05:36.:05:40.

vegetable. We defied the doctors and we kept my father alive. It took a

:05:41.:05:46.

long time for my father to recover, to live independently, but I am

:05:47.:05:49.

happy to say that we did the right thing.

:05:50.:05:52.

He was not a vegetable, my father went on to live another 20 years

:05:53.:05:55.

with the family that lived in very much and we are so pleased that we

:05:56.:05:59.

did not give up on him. The doctors are not always right, never give up

:06:00.:06:02.

hope. Obviously you are seeing pictures of

:06:03.:06:07.

Charlie being treated in Great Ormond Street Hospital, he is seven

:06:08.:06:09.

months of age. A text from one viewer, I feel so

:06:10.:06:14.

sad for Charlie and his parents, I say to them, go for it. I have

:06:15.:06:25.

personal experience with some doctors playing God, particularly

:06:26.:06:27.

babies being born with syndromes. Some parents will be told that their

:06:28.:06:30.

babies will be a cabbage only to find later they live a full life.

:06:31.:06:33.

Good luck, I hope it works. David says, come on, if there is a

:06:34.:06:36.

chance for this child to live and thrive they have to try. All life is

:06:37.:06:41.

precious and for doctors to say, let the baby die, it seems ludicrous.

:06:42.:06:44.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:06:45.:06:46.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:06:47.:06:50.

Arsenal will need to make Champions League history tonight

:06:51.:06:54.

and become the first club to overhaul a four-goal first-leg

:06:55.:06:57.

deficit when they line up against Bayern Munich

:06:58.:06:59.

We may be seeing a different side to Arsene Wenger -

:07:00.:07:04.

he's asked for a lucid rage from his players.

:07:05.:07:09.

The players are ready to fight, but it is always a mixture of a little

:07:10.:07:18.

bit success all a little bit belief, you know? I think we live in the

:07:19.:07:25.

world of small margins and it should drop off a little bit. On the belief

:07:26.:07:31.

site. And on the confidence fronted looks always like you do not want to

:07:32.:07:36.

fight. These players, I wanted to present believe that these players

:07:37.:07:37.

wants to do well and want to win. Chelsea continue their march

:07:38.:07:40.

towards the Premier League title. They're now ten points clear

:07:41.:07:43.

after a 2-1 win at West Ham. They haven't been beaten since

:07:44.:07:46.

losing to Spurs on January 4th. After the break, Diego Costa added

:07:47.:07:50.

a second with his thigh. Manuel Lanzini grabbed

:07:51.:07:56.

a consolation goal in injury time Chelsea are now

:07:57.:07:58.

unbeaten in ten games. We must think that we're able to

:07:59.:08:18.

take 26 points to win this title. But it goes step-by-step. It is

:08:19.:08:25.

important to see it again by game, to dream is good but it is important

:08:26.:08:28.

to keep our feet on the ground. India's cricketers have pulled off

:08:29.:08:30.

a dramatic win over Australia in Bangaluru to level the four match

:08:31.:08:33.

test series at one-all. Australia needed just 188 to win

:08:34.:08:35.

but were skittled out for just 112. They were already in deep

:08:36.:08:41.

trouble when captain Smith was unsure whether to review

:08:42.:08:43.

the decision and seemed to try to communicate

:08:44.:08:51.

with his dressing room - India skipper Virat Kohli was angry

:08:52.:08:53.

at Smith's antics and the umpires Ravi Ashwin took six wickets

:08:54.:08:58.

as India sealed a 75 run victory. The third Test is

:08:59.:09:05.

a week on Thursday. Ronnie O'Sullivan is

:09:06.:09:10.

through to the second round of the Players Championship

:09:11.:09:12.

in Wales after a 5 frames to 1 The Rocket, who's a five

:09:13.:09:15.

time world champion, was rarely troubled as he eased

:09:16.:09:18.

through to a second round clash against either Judd Trump

:09:19.:09:21.

or Mark King in a tournament which sees the world's top

:09:22.:09:24.

16 players take part. That's all the sport for now.

:09:25.:09:32.

Thank you. Welcome to the programme. An army widow who says

:09:33.:09:38.

she had five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

:09:39.:09:40.

attacked her in his sleep is suing Lindsey Roberts says she lost

:09:41.:09:43.

the babies when her husband, Andrew, mistakenly hit her

:09:44.:09:48.

during his nightmares. She claims the military

:09:49.:09:50.

knew her late husband had a post-traumatic stress disorder yet

:09:51.:09:53.

sent him on nine tours of duty in ten years,

:09:54.:09:55.

including two in Iraq He died following a Taliban

:09:56.:09:57.

mortar attack in 2012. Lindsey Roberts is now

:09:58.:10:04.

pursuing two legal claims against the Ministry of Defence,

:10:05.:10:07.

one for failing its duty of care towards her husband by allowing him

:10:08.:10:11.

to return to Afghanistan in 2012 and the other a personal injury

:10:12.:10:15.

claim for the injuries she suffered It's the first time an Army widow

:10:16.:10:17.

has sued the government Good morning. Thank you for coming

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on the programme. Tell us about Andrew when you first met him? He

:10:37.:10:41.

was a good guy. I was working in the NAAFI on the army base, one of the

:10:42.:10:47.

barmaids, I was 18, he was 19. We got married two years later and

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shortly after Andrew went on his first tour of Iraq. As you would

:10:52.:11:00.

expect, he experience and pretty horrendous things. When he came

:11:01.:11:05.

home, did he seem different? Yes, but every soldier keen is different

:11:06.:11:09.

when they are home. Nobody goes to these two zones, the things they see

:11:10.:11:14.

are horrendous. Nobody comes back the same. Nobody comes back the same

:11:15.:11:19.

at all, you expect them to be a bit disjointed and a bit emotional. For

:11:20.:11:28.

us, the real problem is caked in about five weeks after he got back,

:11:29.:11:33.

I fell pregnant, our first pregnancy, five weeks into my

:11:34.:11:37.

pregnancy Andrew had his first serious night terror where he

:11:38.:11:41.

thrashed out in the night. Could you explain what a night to raise? It is

:11:42.:11:47.

a nightmare. Andrew, when he had his, he would be in a sleepwalking

:11:48.:11:52.

state in bed. -- can you explain what a night terror is? He would be

:11:53.:11:57.

moving around or doing things but was not awake, he had no knowledge

:11:58.:12:01.

whatsoever of what he was doing, did not know where he was, did not know

:12:02.:12:04.

he was at home all who was around him. If you see somebody

:12:05.:12:09.

sleepwalking, you cannot control what is going on in their head. It

:12:10.:12:14.

is the same thing, he had no clue. What did he do to you that led to a

:12:15.:12:19.

miscarriage? He was thrashing round the bed trying to fight, he was not

:12:20.:12:26.

aware where he was. On Andrew's first tour, his job was that a

:12:27.:12:29.

prisoner of war camp, I don't know what he saw that caused those

:12:30.:12:34.

nightmares but I know that when he woke up, there were occasions when

:12:35.:12:38.

he said he dreamt he was captured. I don't know what he was fighting

:12:39.:12:43.

against, who he thought he was fighting, he certainly did not know

:12:44.:12:46.

it was me in the bed next to him. But as a result, you say, you lost

:12:47.:12:55.

the baby? We lost five pregnancies in total. One in three women in the

:12:56.:13:00.

UK miscarry, it is hard to prove they are connected to the night

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terrors. We cannot win any compensation from taking that part

:13:04.:13:07.

to court, that is purely to make people stand up and realise that it

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is not just... The series of the PTSD and the lads that are

:13:15.:13:18.

suffering, but this affects families, too. Over Christmas, I

:13:19.:13:22.

work at something called The Roberts Project, we were inundated with

:13:23.:13:28.

messages from wives and girlfriends of soldiers suffering PTSD, they are

:13:29.:13:31.

crying out for help because their husbands and boyfriends are having

:13:32.:13:35.

night terrors. I had somebody that ended up in hospital because she was

:13:36.:13:40.

smashed in the face with something. She is awaiting surgery. We had

:13:41.:13:48.

another girl that has just ended up in an absolute state, her husbands

:13:49.:13:51.

can't remember doing a single thing about it. It is unwinnable, the

:13:52.:13:59.

compensation claim. You want to raise awareness. It is purely about

:14:00.:14:04.

awareness. Of former soldiers with PTSD that are not getting the

:14:05.:14:08.

specialist help they need? One of the problems I hear about on a

:14:09.:14:12.

regular basis through our projects is that these soldiers... Soldiers

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have a lot of banter that goes on in camp, they are conditioned to

:14:17.:14:20.

certain way, they tend to swear a lot, it is all in jest. But when

:14:21.:14:25.

they go into the NHS services, obviously any chess has a zero

:14:26.:14:31.

policy, zero-tolerance on swearing and abuse -- obviously the NHS has.

:14:32.:14:37.

Soldiers swear. They swear. There is no skirting around it. They don't do

:14:38.:14:43.

it in an abusive way, they swear in general conversation. When they

:14:44.:14:46.

swear and they are around somebody that works in the NHS in a mental

:14:47.:14:50.

health capacity, they are told to stop swearing and they will be

:14:51.:14:55.

refused treatment. Tell a soldier suffering from PTSD that he is about

:14:56.:14:59.

to be refused treatment because he swore, he will react. You say you

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had five miscarriages because of Andrew, in the middle of the night,

:15:06.:15:09.

effectively sleepwalking but kind of attacking you. Why didn't you move

:15:10.:15:14.

out of the bed? Quite frankly, your kids don't have nightmares every

:15:15.:15:18.

night, neither did Andrew. You could not get out of the room? Once we had

:15:19.:15:27.

our children, the first time it happened it was a massive shock. It

:15:28.:15:32.

is like your kids. Your kids will have nightmares once in awhile, they

:15:33.:15:36.

won't have them every single night of the week. Do you know what I

:15:37.:15:39.

mean? You would not lock your child in a room because they might go

:15:40.:15:43.

somewhere, that is not how life works. We a happily married couple

:15:44.:15:48.

at the time and obviously Andrew could not have guessed when the

:15:49.:15:51.

nightmares would happen, I could not have guessed, one thing we have

:15:52.:15:58.

linked now looking into the case, when Andrew was suffering the worst

:15:59.:16:04.

of these nightmares he was on a medication called Larry, an

:16:05.:16:08.

antimalarial drug. We have reported on that and some people who have

:16:09.:16:11.

taken it have been subjected to those nights terrors.

:16:12.:16:18.

We can't know for certain. Andrew isn't here anymore and it is

:16:19.:16:26.

important for people to realise he was an amazing soldier and he was an

:16:27.:16:31.

amazing dad. He would have done anything for anybody. I know for a

:16:32.:16:35.

fact if he could save lives with his story being told now to help these

:16:36.:16:39.

soldiers that are suffering PTSD, that are not getting the help that

:16:40.:16:46.

they need and potentially, are the on the route to committing suicide,

:16:47.:16:51.

the Army only, the MoD only keep stats on suicides that have happened

:16:52.:16:55.

within service. They don't keep stats on suicides that happen after

:16:56.:16:58.

service because they say it is too hard to keep track of these

:16:59.:17:03.

ex-servicemen. Andrew tried to take his own life in 2011? He did, yes.

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He was killed in a mortar attack in Afghanistan in 2012. Do you have any

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idea if the MoD were aware of his mental health? In 2009, and we

:17:17.:17:19.

staoully, this is the evidence that has gun to the papers and this is

:17:20.:17:23.

why they printed it and took it seriously. In 2009, it is in his

:17:24.:17:27.

doctor's records and in my doctor's records that a meeting with the MoD,

:17:28.:17:34.

Army welfare, the doctors and the police took place and it actually

:17:35.:17:38.

states on the records the exact words are to discuss with the Army

:17:39.:17:44.

welfare the problems that the husband was having after his return

:17:45.:17:48.

from Afghanistan. Yeah, they knew he was having problems. If he got care.

:17:49.:17:55.

If he got the right care, things might be different? Rchlt He

:17:56.:18:01.

shouldn't have been on that tour. My children might still have their dad.

:18:02.:18:06.

If he hadn't been on that tour, he wouldn't have been gone.

:18:07.:18:09.

Unfortunately you can't go back and change things and we can't change

:18:10.:18:13.

what happened to Andrew. What we're hoping is we can take a stand and

:18:14.:18:18.

stop this happening to anybody else. We have a statement from the

:18:19.:18:19.

Ministry of Defence. "Whilst we wouldn't comment

:18:20.:18:23.

on a specific legal case, the mental health of everyone

:18:24.:18:25.

who serves our country is of the utmost importance

:18:26.:18:28.

and that's why we encourage anyone needing help to come forward and get

:18:29.:18:30.

the assistance they deserve before, Thank you very much for coming on

:18:31.:18:33.

the programme. Thank you. And Lindsay Roberts will be taking

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part in a Facebook live on the BBC news account shortly -

:18:42.:18:44.

do send her any questions you have. Still to come, we'll have more

:18:45.:18:47.

reaction to comments made by Jeremy Corbyn over planned cuts

:18:48.:18:49.

to a key disability benefit. He told us Theresa May's government

:18:50.:18:54.

has an "issue over disabilities". The Prime Minister is facing another

:18:55.:19:09.

defeat in the House of Commons over Brexit. Peers have voted that

:19:10.:19:13.

European nationals living in Britain can stay once the UK has left. They

:19:14.:19:16.

are expected to call on Theresa May to give a legal commitment that MPs

:19:17.:19:22.

and peers are given a vote before departure in two years time. So what

:19:23.:19:26.

will it mean? Norman Smith is back with us. Hi again, Norman. Hi Vic.

:19:27.:19:32.

No wonder we learned this morning that William Hague was suggesting

:19:33.:19:38.

Mrs May may want to call an early election to bolster her majority

:19:39.:19:41.

because she has been getting a tough time in the House of Lords over

:19:42.:19:45.

Brexit where peers have been coming up with all sorts of changes they

:19:46.:19:49.

want to see in her approach to Brexit. So let's just remind

:19:50.:19:53.

ourselves where we've got to. Mrs May turned up in the Lords the other

:19:54.:19:58.

week to eyeball peers to put pressure on them, not to try and

:19:59.:20:01.

change her Brexit Bill, what did they do? Well, they delivered that

:20:02.:20:06.

clunking great defeat on EU nationals. In effect, telling Mrs

:20:07.:20:10.

May she should guarantee their right to remain in the UK straightaway

:20:11.:20:14.

regardless of what other EU countries do. But tonight, we are

:20:15.:20:20.

expecting more trouble over a so-called meaningful vote. Now, what

:20:21.:20:25.

that would do would give Parliament the final say on any Brexit deal.

:20:26.:20:31.

They would have the power to veto whatever Mrs May finally sorted out.

:20:32.:20:35.

There is pressure for a second vote. A second referendum. This is

:20:36.:20:38.

something the Liberal Democrats are pushing and it seems they have

:20:39.:20:41.

actually been encouraging their peers to buy camp beds so they can

:20:42.:20:47.

stay here late at night to make sure they're here to vote for that second

:20:48.:20:53.

referendum! Lastly, updates. Peers want Mrs May to have to give

:20:54.:20:58.

Parliament regular, three month updates on how the negotiations are

:20:59.:21:03.

going. So, how does the Prime Minister respond? Well, in the

:21:04.:21:10.

Commons Mrs May will seek to overturn all those defeats. She try

:21:11.:21:16.

to use her majority to reverse any defeats inflicted here. Why? Well,

:21:17.:21:22.

because she says don't delay. All these amendments risk slowing down

:21:23.:21:25.

our departure from the EU and she wants to be able to trigger Article

:21:26.:21:31.

50 by the end of March. She will also argue it is the unelected House

:21:32.:21:37.

that is doing all this. When MPs, the elected House, have already

:21:38.:21:40.

voted in favour of Article 50. Why should peers be allowed to hold

:21:41.:21:45.

things up? And lastly she will warn that all these changes risk tying

:21:46.:21:50.

her hands, limiting her ability to negotiate. But Mrs May faces a

:21:51.:21:55.

difficult time because some of her MPs may think, you know what, those

:21:56.:22:00.

peers have got a good point. The real risk for her is that she might

:22:01.:22:07.

even lose in the House of Commons. I think that's perhaps unlikely, but

:22:08.:22:10.

it is a sign of the pressure she is under and why perhaps leading

:22:11.:22:14.

figures like William Hague are saying, you know, what Theresa, you

:22:15.:22:17.

ought to think about a snap election. Cheers, Norman, thank you

:22:18.:22:25.

very much. We have heard quotes from Jeremy

:22:26.:22:31.

Corbyn that he thinks Mrs May's Government has an issue over people

:22:32.:22:42.

with disabilities. They seem to have an issue over

:22:43.:22:46.

disabilities because last year they did try to remove the personal

:22:47.:22:50.

independence payments by ?4 billion. They then reversed that cut after

:22:51.:22:55.

Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and then agreed to carry

:22:56.:23:00.

on paying it. So there is a deficit built into the budget already

:23:01.:23:05.

because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to prevent the

:23:06.:23:08.

bill rising further. Well, I think they just need to think about the

:23:09.:23:12.

kind of society we are, the way we support people.

:23:13.:23:16.

We asked Number Ten and the Department for Work and Pensions to

:23:17.:23:19.

respond to Mr Corbyn's claims and no one was avail yable. We asked

:23:20.:23:26.

Stephen Crabb why the Government hadn't followed the tribunal's

:23:27.:23:29.

rulings in giving higher personal independence payments. Well, what

:23:30.:23:36.

the tribunals have done is broaden the eligibility criteria for

:23:37.:23:39.

personal independence payments. They have gone way beyond what the

:23:40.:23:42.

intention of Government was when they designed the policy. So in the

:23:43.:23:45.

first place, we don't think it's right that the courts make policy,

:23:46.:23:50.

but more importantly, what the courts themselves said is look the

:23:51.:23:55.

regulations aren't clear. We think that the judgements themselves risk

:23:56.:23:58.

creating more confusion and look, when you've got a system that gives

:23:59.:24:03.

out as much cash payment as personal independence payments you do need

:24:04.:24:07.

clear criteria and so in this case the Government is right in saying

:24:08.:24:12.

that they are going to bring forward regulations that restore what the

:24:13.:24:15.

original policy was. Now, there are problems with the way the personal

:24:16.:24:19.

independent payment system works, but in this case, Government

:24:20.:24:23.

ministers have got it right. But they're independent judges.

:24:24.:24:26.

Independent of Government looking at the issues legally. And that's the

:24:27.:24:29.

decision they have reached. Why won't you follow what they say?

:24:30.:24:33.

Well, their job is to interpret what is in the legislation and the

:24:34.:24:38.

criteria and they themselves said it is not clear. Up until the point of

:24:39.:24:45.

the judgement, the criteria sought to draw a distinction in two

:24:46.:24:50.

important areas between the way the symptoms affect people with

:24:51.:24:53.

different kinds of disabilities in the area of being able to move

:24:54.:24:58.

around, and people then taking therapy and medication at home. Now,

:24:59.:25:03.

we think those distinctions are important. The tribunal made a

:25:04.:25:07.

judgement that risks lumping together different kinds of cases in

:25:08.:25:11.

a way that we don't think is clear. We think it will lead to operational

:25:12.:25:14.

confusion and I think it is right for ministers to bring the policy

:25:15.:25:18.

back to what it was originally intended. How much is it do to with

:25:19.:25:23.

not spending another ?3.7 billion? Well, the critics and Labour Party

:25:24.:25:26.

have said this is about cutting benefit. Nobody, absolutely nobody,

:25:27.:25:31.

will see a cut this their Personal Independence Payment as a result of

:25:32.:25:33.

the new regulations that the Government will bring forward. No,

:25:34.:25:38.

but you don't want to spend the ?3.7 billion? Well, costs are important

:25:39.:25:45.

in consideration of any policy, but I think more importantly, it is

:25:46.:25:47.

about operational clarity and actually have you got a clear set of

:25:48.:25:52.

criteria by which a Government department can distribute billions

:25:53.:25:56.

of pounds of cash every year to vulnerable people up and down the

:25:57.:26:01.

country. It is clear, people with anxiety, who suffer psychological

:26:02.:26:05.

distress when travelling alone, deserve the enhanced payment. That's

:26:06.:26:08.

really clear. With the regulations that they're bringing in people who

:26:09.:26:16.

suffer overwhelming psychological distress will still qualify. People

:26:17.:26:21.

who had a stroke won't. People with schizophrenia? The mistake that a

:26:22.:26:27.

lot of people make when they look at that this is thinking it is about

:26:28.:26:32.

what condition you have? It is not. Personal independent payments are

:26:33.:26:36.

about the impact, the simp tolls of your condition, how they affect your

:26:37.:26:40.

daily life to move around and the additional costs that arise from

:26:41.:26:43.

that. It doesn't matter whether it is a mental disability, a

:26:44.:26:46.

psychological illness or a physical disability, we have tried to design

:26:47.:26:50.

a system that takes account of how those different kinds of diverse

:26:51.:26:56.

disabilities affects your ability to live your every day life. What is it

:26:57.:27:00.

about the Conservative Government and some people with disabilities?

:27:01.:27:05.

Well, I'm proud that we have a welfare support system in this

:27:06.:27:09.

country that spends as much money as it does supporting people living

:27:10.:27:15.

with as diverse a range of physical and mental disabilities than we

:27:16.:27:19.

support. Name another country on earth that spends as much cash

:27:20.:27:22.

payment week in and week out as Britain does supporting people with

:27:23.:27:26.

all kinds of illnesses and disabilities. That's not to say...

:27:27.:27:29.

Every year? The system is not perfect. Lever year there is another

:27:30.:27:35.

attempt by the Conservative Government to squeeze the benefits

:27:36.:27:38.

that help people with disyakets live a full life? That's not true. Nobody

:27:39.:27:43.

is trying to squeeze benefits in the regulations that we're talking about

:27:44.:27:46.

this morning. It is about restoring the policy to that which Parliament

:27:47.:27:50.

originally intended and money, the money being spent on personal

:27:51.:27:54.

independence payments will continue to increase and there is no question

:27:55.:27:58.

of trying to reduce it. It is a question of whether we have clear

:27:59.:28:03.

criteria that the system can operate to, that provides clarity for all

:28:04.:28:06.

users of the system, not least the people applying and seeking the cash

:28:07.:28:10.

support that they need. So the Government doesn't have a problem

:28:11.:28:15.

with some people with disyakets? The Government works extremely closely

:28:16.:28:20.

with people with disabilities and their representative organisations

:28:21.:28:22.

and when the personal independence payments system was designed, it was

:28:23.:28:26.

designed in close consultation with disability charities, mental health

:28:27.:28:31.

organisations, medical specialists, so it has tried to create a benefit

:28:32.:28:36.

that captures as wide a possible range of symptoms and conditions as

:28:37.:28:42.

possible. Ricardo says, "It scares me how

:28:43.:28:45.

cavalier Jeremy Corbyn is with our money. Money that doesn't exist.

:28:46.:28:52.

Luckily he is unelectable." Sue says, "Jeremy Corbyn lives in

:28:53.:28:57.

cloud-cuckoo-land. I think he could win a general election. He's

:28:58.:29:02.

delusional." Another viewer says, "It is shocking that people are

:29:03.:29:06.

treated like criminals when thul' need is money to live." A viewer

:29:07.:29:10.

says, "Jeremy Corbyn won me over this morning. It is about the sort

:29:11.:29:14.

of society we want to be a part of and I'm in full agreement with him."

:29:15.:29:20.

Laura says, "People who claim PIP and other benefits are taxpayers

:29:21.:29:24.

too. We all contribute. Stop being divisive." Another viewer says,

:29:25.:29:28.

"They cut my friend's payments by ?300. She has a disability scooter,

:29:29.:29:33.

can't get around. Has several illnesses and is 69 years of age and

:29:34.:29:38.

the can't work. It is disgraceful. She challenged the decision, but it

:29:39.:29:43.

was upheld. It has had a devastating effect on her life."

:29:44.:29:50.

There has been an avalanche in a French ski resort in the south-west

:29:51.:29:57.

of the country, the regional police say that many skiers are stuck.

:29:58.:30:01.

According to witnesses there are many people and to the avalanche in

:30:02.:30:08.

Tignes in south-eastern France, where an avalanche has swamped a ski

:30:09.:30:13.

slope. -- there are many people under the avalanche.

:30:14.:30:19.

Could the vendors from black and minority ethnic backgrounds be given

:30:20.:30:23.

lighter punishments? -- could offenders from? And how

:30:24.:30:28.

Facebooked called the police on the BBC after we revealed potential

:30:29.:30:33.

flaws in their moderation system. That is an astonishing story coming

:30:34.:30:34.

up in the next five minutes. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:30:35.:30:37.

with a summary of the news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:30:38.:30:40.

programme that he believes Theresa May's government has

:30:41.:30:42.

an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:30:43.:30:44.

the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:30:45.:30:47.

disability benefits - particularly personal

:30:48.:30:49.

independent payments. The government has insisted

:30:50.:30:54.

that the welfare system is a strong They seem to have an issue over

:30:55.:30:57.

disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence

:30:58.:31:03.

payments by ?4 billion, they then reversed that cut

:31:04.:31:05.

after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later,

:31:06.:31:09.

and There is a deficit built into

:31:10.:31:12.

the Budget already because of that. They see this as a

:31:13.:31:21.

further opportunity to I think they just

:31:22.:31:23.

need to think about the kind of society we are,

:31:24.:31:27.

the way we support people. A rescue operation is under way

:31:28.:31:42.

after an avalanche struck a ski resort in the French Alps. Several

:31:43.:31:45.

people are said to be buried under the snow after it had to resort at

:31:46.:31:49.

Tignes. Emergency services are said to be on the scene.

:31:50.:31:51.

Facebook's procedures for vetting content on its pages have been

:31:52.:31:54.

strongly criticised after a BBC investigation found it was failing

:31:55.:31:56.

to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children.

:31:57.:31:58.

The chair of the commons media committee Damian Collins has said

:31:59.:32:00.

it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness

:32:01.:32:02.

Facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal

:32:03.:32:06.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:32:07.:32:14.

We will, thank you. Many of you getting in touch about the interview

:32:15.:32:25.

with parents Chris Gard and Connie Yates about their little boy

:32:26.:32:28.

Charlie, they are in accord bottle with doctors that's -- in a court

:32:29.:32:35.

battle with doctors at Great Ormond Street who believe Charlie's

:32:36.:32:37.

life-support should be turned off because he is in pain and

:32:38.:32:41.

deteriorating. His parents believe there is the chance for treatment in

:32:42.:32:46.

America, a doctor has agreed to treat him. A judge will make the

:32:47.:32:50.

final decision in this court battle. Jim says these parents are against a

:32:51.:32:53.

system that has already made a decision and there is no longer

:32:54.:32:57.

looking, therefore Charlie needs an advocate prepared to give them every

:32:58.:33:01.

chance. The NHS or anyone else does not have the right to take away the

:33:02.:33:06.

parents' last hope of treating Basson.

:33:07.:33:08.

Audrey says this is heartbreaking, if there is a chance of help from

:33:09.:33:15.

the USA for Charlie it comes down to money, someone must be able to

:33:16.:33:16.

assist. I really, really wish them well. Ron

:33:17.:33:21.

says a very sad case but how long should the NHS, in effect the

:33:22.:33:26.

taxpayer, pay for a baby being kept in hospital? As soon as they go to

:33:27.:33:30.

the USA, they will have to pay for everything. Run, that is why they

:33:31.:33:33.

are crowdfunding. Well, Chelsea are looking pretty

:33:34.:33:34.

unstoppable in the race They survived the test

:33:35.:33:37.

of a London derby last night. Eden Hazard and Diego Costa

:33:38.:33:40.

goals helping them to The are now 10 points clear

:33:41.:33:42.

with 11 games left. Arsenal will need to make

:33:43.:33:46.

Champions League history tonight if they are to overhaul

:33:47.:33:48.

a four-goal first-leg deficit when they line up

:33:49.:33:50.

against Bayern Munich The winners will reach

:33:51.:33:52.

the last eight. India plasma cricketers have

:33:53.:34:04.

labelled the four match Test series at one all against Australia after

:34:05.:34:08.

the tourists collapsed to 112 all out.

:34:09.:34:09.

And five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan beat Liang Wenbo

:34:10.:34:12.

five frames to one to reach the second round at the Players

:34:13.:34:14.

That's all the sport for this morning, I will be back with more

:34:15.:34:21.

after 11am in newsroom live. A British backpacker was allegedly

:34:22.:34:38.

beaten, raped and attacked after a two month-long ordeal in Australia.

:34:39.:34:41.

Queensland police say that she is traumatised.

:34:42.:34:44.

Police say the female person did have injuries consisting

:34:45.:34:46.

of facial fractures, scratches, and abrasions to her neck

:34:47.:34:48.

area, and other bruising consistent with the offences

:34:49.:34:50.

From that, we have subsequently charged that male person

:34:51.:34:54.

They are very serious offences and would have been quite traumatic

:34:55.:35:01.

Hywel Griffith is in Sydney. What is the latest on how this happened? The

:35:02.:35:20.

police are still trying to piece together exactly what this woman

:35:21.:35:24.

went through. We know she met the man right at the start of the deer

:35:25.:35:28.

up in Cairns in northern Queensland and very soon the violence followed.

:35:29.:35:35.

We understand she was subjected to rapes and assaults. The timeline

:35:36.:35:38.

follows that at some point in the next few weeks they went on a road

:35:39.:35:43.

trip, travelling in a way to by four vehicle that was eventually flagged

:35:44.:35:52.

down on Sunday the 5th of March -- in a white 4x4 vehicle. Staff in the

:35:53.:35:59.

petrol station say she was disoriented and visibly bruised,

:36:00.:36:01.

because she left without paying the police than flagged down the

:36:02.:36:05.

vehicle, but when they spoke to her they could tell there was something

:36:06.:36:08.

deeply wrong, that is when she started to tell them that she had

:36:09.:36:12.

been the victim of abuse, held against her will, police say when

:36:13.:36:19.

they looked in the boot of the 4x4 they found the 22-year-old man they

:36:20.:36:23.

have now arrested and charged coming he was hiding. The woman is

:36:24.:36:29.

receiving hospital treatment, severe physical injuries, traumatic

:36:30.:36:32.

emotional injuries. They say she has been very brave so far in giving

:36:33.:36:36.

evidence and has also been able to speak to her family back home. It is

:36:37.:36:41.

understood she will have to stay here maybe for some time yet in

:36:42.:36:45.

order to give more evidence, it is unclear when she made be able to

:36:46.:36:49.

return back to the UK. Thank you, Hywel Griffith.

:36:50.:36:52.

A BBC investigation has found that Facebook's content moderation system

:36:53.:36:54.

is failing to remove pornography and obscene content from its pages.

:36:55.:36:57.

Our reporter Angus Crawford reported 100 images that appeared to breach

:36:58.:37:00.

the company's own rules on nudity and obscenity using it's

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He's with us now and I should say we will get into some

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Tell us what you found on Facebook? Before we start you are right,

:37:10.:37:21.

excuses for some of the language and content you are about to hear and

:37:22.:37:24.

see, if you are watching with a young family you might want to turn

:37:25.:37:28.

off the television, turn it down or do something else for the moment, or

:37:29.:37:32.

put them in another room. Last year we were tipped off that there were

:37:33.:37:35.

secret groups on Facebook being used by members of sexual interest in

:37:36.:37:41.

children to swap obscene images. Touch men with a sexual interest in

:37:42.:37:47.

children. We did the report, it created headlines and concerned

:37:48.:37:52.

Facebook. Facebook said it had improved regulations, particularly

:37:53.:37:56.

on the sexualisation of children. We decided to test them against their

:37:57.:38:00.

own standards, not ours or criminal standards, their own standards

:38:01.:38:04.

against nudity and sexualised content. We reported something like

:38:05.:38:10.

100 images and posts, 82 stayed up. I will tell you about some of the

:38:11.:38:16.

groups that we found, the content is unpleasant. One was called Hot Sexy

:38:17.:38:21.

Schoolgirls, containing images you can imagine of real children in

:38:22.:38:27.

school uniform, some stolen. We found pages with pictures of very

:38:28.:38:32.

young, 11 and 12-year-old girls in very, very flimsy clothing saying

:38:33.:38:36.

appalling comments below them by people looking at them. We found a

:38:37.:38:39.

group openly talking about exchanging what they called CP,

:38:40.:38:47.

child pornography. And very unpleasantly, a group that is still

:38:48.:38:51.

up for men that like to mass debate over images and show those results

:38:52.:39:00.

online. That is still up. Many of the images we thought were against

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Facebook's own standards, they said did not breach community standards.

:39:06.:39:06.

Let's have a look. The BBC exposes the secret groups

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set up by paedophiles. It was February last year

:39:33.:39:40.

when we broadcast our investigation We found men with a sexual

:39:41.:39:42.

interest in children Many of the pictures in these groups

:39:43.:39:48.

are obscene, indecent. But what's as disturbing is that

:39:49.:39:54.

many other pictures appear to have been stolen and disgusting comments

:39:55.:39:58.

have been written about We told the police about one

:39:59.:40:00.

particular group, a man was arrested A year on, we wanted to find out

:40:01.:40:10.

if the situation had improved. Using Facebook's own system,

:40:11.:40:21.

we reported 100 images or posts we felt breached

:40:22.:40:28.

Facebook's own guidelines. Facebook said those that

:40:29.:40:36.

remained didn't breach I've been very disturbed

:40:37.:40:43.

by what I've seen, very disappointed that one year on we are still seeing

:40:44.:41:33.

images that are very sexualised, totally, in my view, unacceptable,

:41:34.:41:36.

to be online on the Facebook page. The moderation clearly

:41:37.:41:43.

isn't being effective. I would question whether humans

:41:44.:41:49.

are actually moderating this Also, I think it's

:41:50.:41:51.

failing to take account Facebook has a policy that bars sex

:41:52.:41:56.

offenders from having an account. But we found and reported

:41:57.:42:05.

the profiles of five We even reported a group where users

:42:06.:42:07.

were openly swapping what they called child

:42:08.:42:18.

pornography, or CP. If you reported that,

:42:19.:42:28.

if it was looked at correctly, there can only be a decision that

:42:29.:43:06.

that it should be taken down. We wanted to ask Facebook about

:43:07.:43:11.

their content moderation system, At their request, we sent them

:43:12.:43:14.

a copy of the image and asked them That's when Facebook

:43:15.:43:21.

reported us to the police. That's extraordinary

:43:22.:43:29.

because you're helping them, you're trying to help them clean

:43:30.:43:31.

up their network from material When you give them examples

:43:32.:43:34.

that they themselves have asked for to back up your complaint,

:43:35.:43:39.

for them to act by referring you to the police, referring

:43:40.:43:42.

the BBC to the police, rather than acting upon

:43:43.:43:45.

the information they've been given, that is extraordinary and shows

:43:46.:43:47.

a complete lack of understanding of the issues that were presented

:43:48.:43:49.

to the people of Facebook, whoever dealt with this complaint,

:43:50.:43:52.

and it's concerning. Anyone who questions industry

:43:53.:43:58.

members and indeed Facebook comes under attack and you're seen in some

:43:59.:44:00.

way to be questioning modernity The fact that Facebook sent images

:44:01.:44:03.

that have been sent to them and appear on their site

:44:04.:44:12.

for their response about how Facebook deals with inappropriate

:44:13.:44:15.

images on the Facebook site, the fact that they sent those

:44:16.:44:21.

on to the police seemed to me to be extraordinary and one can only

:44:22.:44:24.

assume that the Facebook executives were unwilling or certainly

:44:25.:44:27.

reluctant to engage in an interview or a debate about why these images

:44:28.:44:29.

are available on Facebook's site. And, right now, groups

:44:30.:44:53.

with inappropriate images and comments about children can

:44:54.:44:55.

still be found. There are a number of things really

:44:56.:45:32.

astonishing but, oh, my gosh, they reported you to the police? As you

:45:33.:45:37.

can imagine, we were a little surprised. Understatement of the

:45:38.:45:41.

Iraq formation not you need to understand that this was content on

:45:42.:45:46.

Facebook, first of all, that we reported to Facebook's own

:45:47.:45:49.

moderation system. The moderators said it is fine, it can stay up.

:45:50.:45:54.

Facebooked, for the purposes of being informed before we interviewed

:45:55.:46:00.

them, we were meant to last week, they said you need to send as

:46:01.:46:03.

examples of the kind of content you are talking about, so at their

:46:04.:46:06.

request we sent a material that was on Facebook that had been approved

:46:07.:46:10.

by them moderator is. There was total silence, and then we found out

:46:11.:46:14.

they reported as to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection

:46:15.:46:18.

Centre, the commander in the National Crime Agency.

:46:19.:46:25.

We asked Facebook to speak to us about this. They gave us a

:46:26.:46:33.

statement. He said, "We have reviewed the content referred to us

:46:34.:46:37.

and have removed all items that were illegal or against our standards.

:46:38.:46:41.

This content is no longer on our platform. We take this matter

:46:42.:46:44.

extremely seriously. And we continue to improve our reporting and take

:46:45.:46:48.

down measures. Facebook has been recognised as one of the best

:46:49.:46:51.

platforms on the internet for child safety. It is against the law for

:46:52.:46:56.

anyone to distribute images of child exploitation when the BBC sent us

:46:57.:47:01.

such imablings we followed our industry standard practise and

:47:02.:47:07.

reported them to CEOP. This matter is now in the hands of the

:47:08.:47:09.

authorities." Melissa Price who twice

:47:10.:47:16.

had photos she put up She is recovering from breast

:47:17.:47:18.

cancer and posted photos Vicki Shotbolt is the chief

:47:19.:47:24.

executive of an organisation called Parent Zone that advises parents how

:47:25.:47:29.

to tackle exposure to Dr Linda Papadopoulos

:47:30.:47:31.

is a child psychologist and ambassador for the charity,

:47:32.:47:35.

Internet Matters. Welcome all of you. First of all

:47:36.:47:42.

your reaction to what Facebook did to Angus effectively? I think it is

:47:43.:47:48.

disgusting. I think what you have done was appropriate and I applaud

:47:49.:47:52.

you for doing that, but for Facebook to take that stance and for you to

:47:53.:47:57.

be reported for doing that is ridiculous. Can I just say, people

:47:58.:48:02.

who are watching around the country say, "I am deleting my Facebook

:48:03.:48:07.

account now." I have decided to deactivate my account. Laurie says,

:48:08.:48:12.

"This sickens me. Mike says, "I don't think anything that I have

:48:13.:48:18.

reported has been removed. Cat lover says so it goes on. Another viewer

:48:19.:48:23.

says, "This is disgusting." Linda? It is a sign of the fact that we

:48:24.:48:28.

don't know how to handle these. We don't have the measuresment we know

:48:29.:48:31.

social media has been around a long time. One of the most interesting

:48:32.:48:37.

stats, the majority of online child porn is produced by children

:48:38.:48:40.

themselves through sectioning. I have been involved in cases where

:48:41.:48:43.

boyfriend and girlfriend have done this, where they break up and the

:48:44.:48:47.

boy is then, you know, made, is put on a register because he is a couple

:48:48.:48:51.

of years older. I think we really need to look at the measures. Yours

:48:52.:48:55.

shocks me just as much. I didn't realise what happened to you. It is

:48:56.:49:00.

the fact that we are learning as we go. I think as mental health

:49:01.:49:03.

specialists so I have been, you know, working in this area for

:49:04.:49:08.

years, but we have kids now who are in effect self-harming online,

:49:09.:49:12.

bullying themselves online. There is no textbooks how to deal with this.

:49:13.:49:17.

We are learning as we go and this is another case of that. Vicky, how do

:49:18.:49:23.

you react that some of the images are up because they didn't breach

:49:24.:49:26.

Facebook's standards and the fact they called the police on the BBC?

:49:27.:49:29.

It is extraordinary. I think one of the real difficulties for parents

:49:30.:49:32.

with these services is that we rely on them to do the right thing. We

:49:33.:49:36.

trust that when we report, they're going to respond and they're going

:49:37.:49:39.

to respond appropriately and clearly, they don't and that's one

:49:40.:49:42.

of the really big problems, for not just parents, but for people using

:49:43.:49:45.

the platforms that we have no transparency. We don't know how they

:49:46.:49:48.

respond to reports and we can't test that out. You have tested it and

:49:49.:49:52.

clearly, their response was, I don't know what the word is to use, was it

:49:53.:49:56.

bizarre, is it deliberately confusing the issue to say we've

:49:57.:50:00.

just reported the BBC to the police? It is very hard to know what was

:50:01.:50:06.

going through Facebook's mind. To point out, we weren't judging them

:50:07.:50:09.

by our standards or a criminal standard, we were judging them by

:50:10.:50:13.

their own standards on their own advice pages they say they have

:50:14.:50:17.

effectively a zero tolerance for nudity and sexualised content. So we

:50:18.:50:21.

reported those on the basis that it was sexualised content of children.

:50:22.:50:24.

We have been told by Facebook that they have tightened that up, but our

:50:25.:50:28.

results appear to show that there maybe holes within that system.

:50:29.:50:33.

Melissa what standards did you breach by posting pictures of your

:50:34.:50:39.

breasts post surgery? They said, I believe, it was because there was

:50:40.:50:44.

nipples showing. Right. I don't have any nipples, I have tattoos. Right.

:50:45.:50:48.

Because you had breast cancer. Because I had breast cancer surgery.

:50:49.:50:53.

Yeah, they said I broke those guidelines. Linda, a brief word

:50:54.:50:59.

about, young people in particular, children, in particular, who stumble

:51:00.:51:03.

across the kind of sexualised images online on Facebook? . What impact

:51:04.:51:10.

can it have on them? There is things that you are ready to see when you

:51:11.:51:15.

are emotionally and cognitively developed. We had the watershed on

:51:16.:51:20.

TV. We still have it on games, it is a 12 or a 15 there, doesn't exist

:51:21.:51:25.

online. As a consequence parents need to be aware. So whether it is

:51:26.:51:30.

ensuring that, you know, and they really need to educate they will

:51:31.:51:32.

selves about what kids are doing. So I have got parents that will say, "I

:51:33.:51:36.

think they're on this platform and that, but I'm not sure how it works.

:51:37.:51:40.

Learn how it works. Understand how it works because unless you do, you

:51:41.:51:44.

can't speak to them correctly and we know when a child is confronted with

:51:45.:51:48.

images they don't understand it will affect the way they view their own

:51:49.:51:55.

sexuality and their own boundaries? If this is normalised then is it OK

:51:56.:52:00.

if I do it? The other big thing if they stumble on something in the way

:52:01.:52:03.

that someone who is trying to abuse a child will say, "Don't say

:52:04.:52:07.

anything." They feel guilty so I've stumbled on it. If I feel I can't

:52:08.:52:11.

talk to my mum or dad, if I can't have my parents there, it becomes

:52:12.:52:14.

worsemed be open with your kids and encourage them to speak about it.

:52:15.:52:18.

Ensure that you normalise the idea, you know what, you probably will be

:52:19.:52:21.

confronted with something. It is in the region of 75% of ten to

:52:22.:52:25.

12-year-olds are on social media. By the time they're 13, that's 96%. So

:52:26.:52:32.

the notion that we can somehow police it, it needs to be at a

:52:33.:52:38.

parental level and at an ISP level and a Government level.

:52:39.:52:42.

A number of skiers are feared to be buried under snow following an

:52:43.:52:59.

avalanche at Tignes. Lucy Williamson is in Paris. This

:53:00.:53:03.

avalanche seem to have taken the resort by surprise. You've got

:53:04.:53:07.

pictures from a webcam showing the scene. We're told there is a large

:53:08.:53:12.

rescue operation going with mountain police and even local ski companies

:53:13.:53:16.

getting involved, sending people out with probes to look for those buried

:53:17.:53:20.

under the snow. We are not sure how many people may have been swept away

:53:21.:53:24.

by the avalanche, but some witnesses say they saw a lot of people that

:53:25.:53:27.

they thought might have been caught up in it. So there is a lot of

:53:28.:53:31.

concern to try and dig them out. It is very difficult for helicopters to

:53:32.:53:35.

get there we're told because the visibility is so bad. The conditions

:53:36.:53:39.

have been quite severe. There has been a lot of snow in recent days

:53:40.:53:43.

and in fact one sports journalist, who was at the resort, this morning,

:53:44.:53:48.

is telling French Television that the mountain guides were out in

:53:49.:53:53.

force this morning setting off preventative avalanches to try and

:53:54.:53:55.

reduce that threat. We know that some of the slopes in the area have

:53:56.:54:00.

been closed. This one, apparently was still open. It is seen as an

:54:01.:54:05.

easy slope, a family slope, so obviously they thought the risk was

:54:06.:54:09.

not that great on this slope. Sadly, it seems they were wrong, but we'll

:54:10.:54:13.

try and bring you some more information in the coming hours once

:54:14.:54:17.

things become clearer. More on BBC News throughout the day.

:54:18.:54:22.

Next this morning, could young offenders from black or ethnic

:54:23.:54:24.

minorities be given lighter punishments under new

:54:25.:54:26.

Judges are being told to consider the "discrimination and negative

:54:27.:54:29.

experience of authority" they may have experienced and they should

:54:30.:54:32.

take into account "particular factors which arise" in the case

:54:33.:54:34.

of black and ethnic minority children and young people.

:54:35.:54:42.

With us in the studio is Nathaniel Peat, founder

:54:43.:54:44.

the Safety Box charity which works with young people who're at risk

:54:45.:54:47.

of offending and those who have been in young offender institutions,

:54:48.:54:49.

Ali Wigzell, chair of the Standing Committee for Youth Justice,

:54:50.:54:52.

an alliance of organisations campaigning for a better youth

:54:53.:54:54.

justice system, and Noel Williams, a Youth Justice Consultant

:54:55.:54:56.

Hello all of you. I haven't given you loads of time. But this is a

:54:57.:55:02.

really important issue. Do you think it is right that somebody's

:55:03.:55:05.

background including whether they are from a black and minority ethnic

:55:06.:55:08.

background should be taken into account when a judge is looking at

:55:09.:55:12.

possibly mitigating factors before sentencing? Yeah, absolutely. If you

:55:13.:55:15.

can get the background around a young person it helps to beat a lot

:55:16.:55:20.

of perceptions. Perceptions are held about young black men being in gangs

:55:21.:55:24.

already. Many of them don't, are not involved in gangs and you have got

:55:25.:55:26.

to measure that against the background. When you can get a

:55:27.:55:30.

bigger picture it helps you to have a better understanding of the type

:55:31.:55:33.

of sentence which you can actually give. So definitely, yes. Noel, does

:55:34.:55:38.

that mean someone carrying a knife from a well-to-do family will get a

:55:39.:55:41.

tougher sentence than someone carrying a knife from a black or

:55:42.:55:47.

minority background? Well, I don't know. But what people need to

:55:48.:55:51.

understand there has been a high proportion of discrimination against

:55:52.:55:54.

young black people in that community and it has been known, the Prime

:55:55.:55:57.

Minister has spoke about it, but what I think we shouldn't lose is,

:55:58.:56:01.

of course, if somebody is carrying a knife they deserve to be punished as

:56:02.:56:05.

much as somebody else does. I'm sure the judge can make a good judgement,

:56:06.:56:09.

but it would be fantastic to know that you have got a bit of

:56:10.:56:12.

background before you make that judgement on how to proceed. If

:56:13.:56:16.

somebody is carrying a knife whether you're black or from a middle-class

:56:17.:56:22.

background or an Asian young man, that viable punishment should be

:56:23.:56:25.

fair across-the-board. The guidelines say, you know, there

:56:26.:56:30.

should be the correct punishment regarding the severity of the

:56:31.:56:37.

offence. What's your view, Ali? We would agree with what has been said.

:56:38.:56:41.

It is about the seriousness of the crime. And that dictates what the

:56:42.:56:48.

sentence should be. If we are to prevent teenagers who commit crime

:56:49.:56:53.

from re-offending... Which is what they say this is about? We need to

:56:54.:57:00.

understand what their fwak ground and what and why it happened if we

:57:01.:57:03.

are to put a sentence in place to stop it from happening again. The

:57:04.:57:06.

new guidelines talk about whether that young person has been exposed

:57:07.:57:11.

to pornography or abuse or alcohol abuse or drug abuse? Often at times

:57:12.:57:18.

you're looking at trauma and putting them into an institution is not

:57:19.:57:22.

going to help them. If they're locked up for 23 hours, the young

:57:23.:57:26.

person needs support for the mental state of the mind. It is mindsets

:57:27.:57:29.

and when you can get into the minute of a young person and you can show

:57:30.:57:33.

that that trust is there, many of the issues that are found, you've

:57:34.:57:39.

got 27% which come through arrest, but you've got 50%, the amount that

:57:40.:57:45.

go into prison is more than the amount that are arrested. There is

:57:46.:57:49.

some type of prnlg dissome type of thing that's happening in the

:57:50.:57:52.

courts. I think this step, this is a step in the right direction to help

:57:53.:57:56.

that. Yes, and children in care as well. They want people to look at,

:57:57.:57:59.

they want to take into account the fact that somebody might have been

:58:00.:58:06.

in care. I think we have to take that into account. If you have been

:58:07.:58:09.

in care and you happen to be committing a crime under the age of

:58:10.:58:14.

18, you will be considered as a child, the state are your parents

:58:15.:58:17.

and therefore we need to look at that because that's going to come

:58:18.:58:21.

with its own problems. What we want as a society, rehabilitation would

:58:22.:58:24.

be the best. Thank you. You stopped just in time. Thank you.

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