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It's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
Our top story today - is the budget - and importantly - | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
how what the Government announce in a couple of hours | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
Who better to tell you that this morning | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
Stand by for no big spending spree as a careful, cautious Philip | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
Hammond keeps back the cash for difficult days ahead over Brexit, | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
and the deficit. Also on the programme - | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
spies inside your TVs. Yes, claims that the CIA had | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
the technology to hack into smart It seems to be an incredibly | :00:40. | :00:52. | |
dabbling leak in terms of the procedures, tactics and tools that | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
were used by the central intelligence to conduct legitimate | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
foreign intelligence. In other words it made my country and my country's | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
friends less safe. And why would anyone | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
want to volunteer for Especially after the so called | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
elephant man trials of a decade ago This morning we'll bring | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
you exclusive access inside a trial where people are volunteering | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
to test an ebola vaccine. There is a lot of us who realise | :01:13. | :01:21. | |
that there are a lot of medical issues in the world and we would | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
like to help, but instead of giving the money to charities where we | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
don't necessarily see exactly what's happening, with a medical trial we | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
can see that they're working towards something and we're actually a part | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
of it rather than just giving our money to someone and saying, "There | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
you go. Just go and do whatever." A little later in the programme | :01:43. | :01:53. | |
we'll meet a 21-year-old man Hear his moving story | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
just before 10am. Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria live | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today, | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
the Chancellor Philip Hammond will use his first Budget to help | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
prepare Britain for a "new chapter" He'll deliver an upbeat | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
assessment of the economy when he stands up at lunchtime, | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
but will admit that many families He's expected to find extra money | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
for social care in England and to help firms facing steep rises | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
in business rates. Here's our political | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
correspondent Eleanor Garnier. He's the man known in Westminster | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
as Spreadsheet Phil, the cautious Treasury Chief | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
in charge of the numbers. So, as the Chancellor does his sums, | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
what's he got to consider? Well, the big issue that's | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
dominating is Brexit. As the UK prepares to leave the EU, | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
Mr Hammond says he's focussed on keeping the economy resilient | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
with a warning this is no time Even so, there will be cash | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
for new free schools and money to shake up vocational and technical | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
training for 16 to 18-year-olds. But the Chancellor's under pressure | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
to spend more on public services with claims social care is in crisis | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
and repeated calls for more money for the NHS plus pleas to help | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
soften the blow for small firms hit But the Chancellor's under pressure | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
to spend more on public services Mr Hammond might have chucked | :03:20. | :03:31. | |
out his predecessor's timetable for dealing with the deficit, | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
but both he and the Prime Minister still believe balancing the books | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
is the only way to ensure a stable Let's get more on this from our | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
political guru Norman Smith. This, I mean it is his first Budget. | :03:40. | :03:57. | |
It is a big deal? Well, you might think it would be, but I suspect | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
it's going to be a bit like the weather here, damp, drizzly, dull, | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
something you're not going to remember and the reason for that | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
frankly is he just hasn't got any cash because he is still having to | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
deal with a great deficit. We spent something like 60 billion mds more | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
than we had last year. Our debt is ?1.7 trillion. So there is no cash | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
around, but also, there is the Brexit factor. Mr Hammond wants to | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
keep any money he has got spare back in case things get difficult down | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
the road with Brexit which means we'll get some little bits and | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
pieces. There has been talk about help for social care because of all | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
the terrible headlines we've read about the problems in social care, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
but it is not going to be much and I think we'll have to look carefully | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
whether that money has just come from cuts elsewhere. Similarly, | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
business rates. We know the business community have been up in arms about | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
the huge hike in local business rates that many traders are facing. | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
I think you'll find there is only a little bit of help for some | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
particular high street traders who have been hit hard. So there will be | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
a few bits and pieces, but my thinking this is going to be a sort | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
of Mother Hubbard Budget. There isn't much cash in the cupboard for | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
Mr Hammond to hand out. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
Newsroom with a summary Lord Heseltine has been sacked | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
as a Government adviser after rebelling in a vote over | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
Brexit. The former Conservative Deputy Prime | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
Minister backed calls for a "meaningful" parliamentary | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
vote on the final terms of withdrawal, inflicting | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
a second defeat in the Lords Ministers say they'll seek | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
to overturn the move when the bill Here's our political | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
correspondent, Chris Mason. Just like Ken Clarke in the Commons, | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
Lord Heseltine was determined to remain vociferously pro-European | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
after the referendum, It ensures that Parliament has | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
the critical role in determining the future that we will bequeath | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
to generations of young people and I urge your Lordships | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
to support the amendment. But, hours later, he learned he had | :06:09. | :06:16. | |
been fired from five This is the Prime Minister | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
exercising her perfectly legitimate right to get rid of opposition | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
in any way she thinks appropriate Whether it's the right | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
and the wise thing to do is a matter for her, | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
not for me. His sacking illustrates | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
Downing Street's determination to Next week the Bill heads down | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
the corridor, back to the Commons. Will Conservative rebels | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
there be up for a fight? I will continue to believe that | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
that is the right thing to do, for there to be a vote in both | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
Houses, deal or no deal and, if I have to vote | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
against my Government again, We've discussed, deliberated | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
and scrutinised both of these issues before, | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
at length, and we still declined to accept the amendments that have | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
been passed in the House of Lords. They've come up with no new ideas | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
so I expect the House of Commons Whatever happens next week, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
the Prime Minister does remain on course to be able to begin Brexit | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
negotiations before A former head of the CIA has said | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files | :07:33. | :07:46. | |
is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5 | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA have refused to comment | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
on the documents authenticity. But the agency's former director, | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
Michael Hayden said This seems to be an incredibly | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
damaging leak in terms of the tactics, techniques, | :08:14. | :08:21. | |
procedures and tools that were used by the Central Intelligence Agency | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
to conduct legitimate foreign In other words, it's made my country | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
and my country's friends less safe. Police searching for missing RAF | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
than first thought. A search of a landfill site | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
out on 24th September. A British backpacker | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
who was allegedly held captive for weeks and subjected to repeated | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
sexual assaults, has been released The 22-year-old woman | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
is being comforted by her family, A 22-year-old Australian | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
man has been charged with a number of offences, | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
and has been remanded in custody. The number of women getting top jobs | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
at sporting bodies is declining, The Women in Sport study found just | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
under half of organisations have failed to meet new government | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
guidelines calling for senior The profile of women playing sport | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
has never been higher. But step off the pitch | :09:26. | :09:40. | |
and into the boardroom, Today, the charity Women in Sport | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
released an audit of 68 national governing bodies | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
receiving public money. They found that nearly half didn't | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
meet the new target of 30% gender diversity on their boards including | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
those in football, cricket, Nine had no women at all | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
in senior leadership roles, while one organisation, | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
the British Tae Kwon Do Council, has Public investment in sport, | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
in any sports organisation, is dependent on organisations | :10:09. | :10:17. | |
reaching the standards of the code. So anybody who isn't able | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
to reach them, or doesn't have an adequate plan to do so, | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
won't be able to attract The FA has long been criticised | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
for failing to move with the times. Faced with having millions | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
of pounds of funding cut, this week it proposed reforms | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
to appoint more women to its board. England Hockey also needs | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
to diversify, although their CEO told me they will have no problem | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
meeting the new Government target. We will, over time, | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
as board members leave, look at recruiting people that | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
still meet the skillset, but enable us to meet the recommendations | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
within the guidelines. We will, over time, | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
as board members leave, Now, they are being told to better | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
reflect the people who fund them. Chocolate bars like Kit Kat, | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
Yorkie and Aero will contain 10% The manufacturer Nestle says sugar | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
will be replaced with higher quantities of existing ingredients | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
or other non-artificial ingredients and claims it | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
could have a significant impact Visitors on a tour of | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
the White House were given a surprise when President Trump | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
turned up to greet them" In the first tour of the White House | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
since his inauguration, he gestured for the children | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
in the crowd to come He posed with one boy under | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
a portrait of his election That's a summary of the latest BBC | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
News - more at 9:30am. We're going to talk about spying | :11:40. | :11:56. | |
software in your smart TV. Those claims which have comes through | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
thousands of documents leaked to the wicky leeks website are taken as | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
pretty credible. We'll talk more about that in a second. If you're | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
getting in touch, you're welcome. Use the hashtag Victoria live and | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
you will be charged the standard network rate. | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
It's Arsene Wenger's future in the headlines again. | :12:17. | :12:35. | |
Well, the pressure builds and builds on Arsene Wenger. | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
I'd love to say we should have some remorse for him after so many | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
accolades in his 20 years at the club, but the empire he built | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
There are more calls and increased fervour for him to leave Arsenal, | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
after they were knocked out of the Champions League last 16 | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
by German giants Bayern Munich, in humiliating fashion. | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
A second 5-1 defeat meant they lost 10-2 on aggregate. | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
That's the worst defeat suffered by an English | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
They were reduced to ten men on the night, but it didn't really | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
Their capitulation led to chants of "Wenger Out" | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
inside of the Emirates Stadium, on what was a chastening night | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
And those protests spilled out onto the streets | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
of North London last night, with thousands of fans | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
Wet want you to go. We want Wenger out! | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
They demanded an answer from their greatest ever boss, | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
Arsene Wenger, who was asked if it was his final Champions League | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
I don't know. You always are worried for headlines. I'm here to speak | :13:29. | :13:39. | |
about football, not about my future. What needs to change at this club, | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
what do you mean by that? I think this club is in a great shape. At | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
the moment it is going through a very difficult situation, but so | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
what needs to change is the result in the next game. | :13:55. | :14:09. | |
I admire his composure. All the stuff he has won for Arsenal fans, | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
all these years in the Champions League, for supporters of other | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
clubs, that's just, it is untold riches, you know. | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
The reaction is strong as well. They are the only British club to | :14:24. | :14:34. | |
have been in the last 16 of the Champions League, fans would be | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
wanting that record. Now he is perceived as a laughing stock. Even | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
Bayern Munich asked, "What time is it? It is 10-2." Today's papers | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
aren't much different. I mentioned they are being seen as a laughing | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
stock. The question is will Arsene Wenger stay at Arsenal? Shame old | :14:54. | :15:03. | |
story says the Star. 10-2. Shame again and Wenger out, that's the | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
main message from Arsenal fans. He must be considering his future. His | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
contract expires at the end of the season, although there is an offer | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
on the table, the next steps will be a mutual decision between he and the | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
club at the end of the season. Seven seasons in a row they have been | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
eliminated at the last 16 stage so where is the progression coming for | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
them? Their talisman, Sanchez and Ozil are likely to leave the club. | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
He won three Premier League title and six FA Cups as well, but with | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
the writing on the wall for Arsene Wenger. | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
It's the stuff of films and novels but, this | :15:49. | :15:50. | |
morning, there are claims - which many believe to be credible - | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
that the American intelligence agency the CIA hacked into Samsung | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
smart TVs and turned them into living-room spies. | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
Conversations were allegedly recorded. | :16:02. | :16:02. | |
The UK's MI5 agency is said to have helped. | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
The information has been released by Wikileaks. | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
The effort to compromise Samsung's F8000 range of smart TVs | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
was codenamed Weeping Angel, after a Doctor Who character, | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
according to documents dated June 2014. | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
They describe the creation of a "fake off" mode, | :16:23. | :16:31. | |
designed to fool users into believing that their screens | :16:32. | :16:33. | |
Instead, the documents indicate, infected sets were made to covertly | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
record conversations, which would later be | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
transferred over the internet to CIA computer servers, | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
once the TVs were fully switched back on, allowing their wi-fi | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
Under a "future work" section, the leaked documents suggest that | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
Other claims in the 9,000-plus documents released include | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
that the CIA was trying to find ways to infect cars' computer | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
Wikileaks claims these might have been used | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
So what kind of insight does this tell us into the work | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
What else could MI5, CIA and other intelligence agencies | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
across the world be doing right now to spy on us? | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
Major General Jonathan Shaw was the Ministry of Defence's first | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
Annie Machon, a former intelligence officer for MI5. | :17:30. | :17:39. | |
Peter Eckersley, Chief Computer Scientist for | :17:40. | :17:40. | |
the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is an organisation | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
defending civil liberties in the digital world, | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
And Troy Hunt is an internet security expert, joining us | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
And we have got Ben Owen as well who used to work for MI5 and he left a | :17:49. | :17:59. | |
couple of years ago. You are the most recently employed by the | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
intelligence services. What do you make of these claims about smart | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
TVs? I think it probably comes as no surprise to the general public that | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
intelligence services always look to enhance their technical | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
capabilities. I cannot comment specifically on the smart TV | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
scenario. It is ingenious, isn't it? It's certainly it is. I guess people | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
have to comprehend that technical companies, Google, Samsung, Sony, | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
they forever advance their technical capabilities each year, selling them | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
to the public, they probably do not pay as much attention to the | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
security of these devices as they should, making it relatively easy | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
for intelligence agencies and hackers in general. Can I ask you | :18:45. | :18:52. | |
about the fact that they are infecting the TVs, which would then | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
leave us, I am sure they are not spying on us having conversations | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
about what we are having for our tea, but leave us vulnerable to | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
being hacked by criminals. Of course. The issue is there is always | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
a back door and if that is left open, there is an issue for | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
criminality as well. What I would add is that intelligence agencies | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
and police communities are extremely targeted in what they are looking | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
for, it is not carte blanche. They cannot do it to everyone, it is very | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
specific. Keeping everybody safe from very harmful people. Jonathan, | :19:28. | :19:36. | |
do you think mere human beings, should they be reassured? I entirely | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
agree with what Ben Owens has just been saying, people should not be | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
surprised about this. Interesting debate this morning, Peter, your | :19:46. | :19:54. | |
other guests, out right -- outlined the porters and people at home and | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
attacking people overseas, to keep the public safe, which is what the | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
public demand of the state. To do that you are all with that great | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
paradox to infringe people's and to protect them. And getting that | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
balance right is the issue. But nobody should be surprised about | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
this because this is of intrusion is exactly the sort of stuff we pay | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
intelligence agencies to do in order to keep us safe, the question is | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
where you draw the line about what is legal? How do you create the | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
trust in the governance of this intrusion to make the public happy | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
with the level of intrusion that these agencies have? So where do you | :20:39. | :20:47. | |
draw the line? I am not sure it is drawn on the right place at the | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
moment. We are seeking these vulnerabilities. The ordinary | :20:53. | :21:00. | |
people, it is just bugs in software. Your vote when your laptop, it has | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
bugs, everything has this in it. Does your bones and your laptop. | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
Intelligence agencies use these to break into the device to be devised | :21:10. | :21:19. | |
or extreme cases, getting control. What we would like to see is more of | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
these intelligence pages help allergy is that hackers are foreign | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
powers cannot great devices stop the dead is more of these intelligence | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
agencies and the CIA and the FBI and equivalents in other countries we | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
fully go in and break things and speaking lot slower export | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
infrastructure stock the extremes of how that can go wrong with | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
documented several years ago when the British intelligence services | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
were documented to be watching everybody's Yahoo! Video | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
conversations, including a lot of conversations where people were | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
maybe being brought internet than the intelligence agencies had | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
expected full and a lot of people, a private calls without mothers would | :22:11. | :22:19. | |
be watched online. Is this what the CIA and MI5 are doing, so can the | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
intelligence agencies get cross about the Russians the US | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
presidential election? If so, we have yet to see evidence the | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
Russians did interfere in the election. I am concerned about this | :22:32. | :22:39. | |
development, if we have these bugs and these problems within our | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
domestic appliances, they can indeed and have already been hacked. We saw | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
last year the biggest attack affecting the West Coast of East | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
Coast of America and of Western Europe, which was developed over our | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
smart devices and our homes, so this is a real problem and the idiot you | :22:57. | :23:04. | |
are sitting watching the television Orwellian. They are not watching | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
normal people, are they? We don't know, that is the problem, | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
intelligence agencies in the UK are the least accountable and most | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
weakly accounted in Western democracies so we do not know what | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
they are getting up to. Ben is shaking his head in the | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
disagreement. With respect, I think individuals have missed the broader | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
subject on this. My big concern going forward with technical | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
capabilities of private companies is the companies. You are shaking your | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
head in disagreement when she said we just don't know if they are | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
spying on people normally going about their business in their homes. | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
Categorically from my experience, normal members of the public with | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
nothing to worry about, they are not being watched. The intelligence | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
services which do not have resources to do that, it would be a ridiculous | :23:59. | :24:08. | |
scenario, that is not happening. Sorry, I am going to bring in Troy, | :24:09. | :24:17. | |
Peter. If what you think about the intelligence agencies capitalising | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
on bugs in smart TVs and not telling the companies there are bugs so they | :24:21. | :24:29. | |
can use that, what you think? It is a delicate issue, we can appreciate | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
how valuable these bugs and beat the intelligence agencies and good | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
points in eight about wanting intelligence agencies look after our | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
well-being. The offset is if they have identified all abilities in | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
technology, there is a very good chance others have as well and that | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
the other nation states, and career criminals looking to put victims. By | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
not disclosing vulnerabilities that technology companies and allowing | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
them to fix it, it puts people at risk. We are trading of a privacy | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
national security issue with another issue if it falls into the wrong | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
hands. So as citizens of the world, do we have to accept we are | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
vulnerable to criminal activity for the greater good, that the | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
intelligence agencies can protect us? I think we accept that now every | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
time we collect something to the internet, whether it be a computer | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
or teddy bear with listening devices these days and this is the world we | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
live in, we want to connect everything and that will mean | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
opportunities for criminals and for both legitimate and invasive | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
surveillance by intelligence agencies as well. Can I widen this | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
out, who is the best person to answer this, I don't know? How are | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
other nations spying on each other? We have talked about Smart TVs and | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
we heard about devices and rocks in Russia, what else? I think it was | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
mentioned earlier saying Britain is the least accountable. I would | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
disagree, I think if we look at Russia as an example, and they are | :26:08. | :26:18. | |
extremely broad. There are no boundaries. Given the examples. I | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
could not give specific examples of what I have experienced, but that | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
intelligence services, they are fast. Tenfold to what Britain has | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
also looking at Manpower and money. They rely on hacking, and doing that | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
on a broader scale than Britain and America in my experience the Troy, | :26:43. | :26:51. | |
do you have an example? In terms of surveillance by Russia or national | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
states in general? Teddy bears! We have issue of the teddy bears as you | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
my knowledge was not used by nation-state what was a good example | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
of how we put examples of devices in devices with microphones which in | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
the case of the teddy bears last ended up looking very personal | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
conversations and if everyday hackers stumble across these on the | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
internet, nation-state certainly can find them. Perhaps the best example | :27:21. | :27:28. | |
we can talk about is the Chinese use of the internet to steal | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
intellectual property in order to catch what they would describe as | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
the Hundred years of suppression by the West. So you see all sorts of | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
businesses in the West going out of business because they put the R and | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
D Bassman creating new technology and the Chinese still big | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
intellectual property and bring products to market much cheaper and | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
beat people and there have been examples of wind turbines in | :28:00. | :28:08. | |
Blackburn out of business by them back jet fighters stop an example of | :28:09. | :28:16. | |
how the latest generation fighters, because they have stolen the | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
blueprint by intellectual property theft. The Chinese are much more | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
interested with catching up is complete with the West and they have | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
used the internet to do that so that is a key part of this. Annie, most | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
of you said we should not be surprised intelligence agencies use | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
smart TVs, but what we are saying I think is that the everyday | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
technologies that use in our daily lives smart meters in smartphones | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
and smart TVs and cars, drones, intelligence agencies can use those | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
to spy on people they want. They can, yes, and in the UK, we have a | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
new law from the beginning of this year, the investigatory Powers act, | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
the sleepers Charter, giving spies in the UK massive powers to hack | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
into our appliances as the Hoover information and store it for a set | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
period of time, which is very much out of proportion from what we | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
expect in terms of our privacy within the UK, as opposed to | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
protecting our security. The fact that these intelligence agencies, | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
the CIA and MI5, have developed these hacks and identified | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
vulnerabilities in technology and not blasted the companies which the | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
CIA legally obliged to do ever since the Snowdon releases Isabel, showing | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
they are working in the belly of accountable manner. Thank you, all. | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
Interesting insight, thank you. Karen has e-mailed, the CIA wants to | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
collect, analyse and disseminate foreign intelligence, criticising | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
them for doing their job, I am tired of hearing the paranoid mind about | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
security measures are why this amazement about what intelligence | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
agencies get up to this remark is surely no thinking person is in | :30:13. | :30:14. | |
doubt about how technology surveillance creeps Deta -- deep | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
into our lives, I hope we can control this. | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
Lawrence says, I have never trusted my Towcester! | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
I think it has got it in for me. -- Towcester. | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
I talk to a man who says football saved his life, | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
after the sport helped him cope with mental health issues, following | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
He tried to take his life many times. And you will really want to | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
hear from the young man. And they act as first responders | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
in Syria's civil war. They have saved nearly 80,000 | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
people. Back They have saved | :30:53. | :30:54. | |
nearly 80,000 people. tells me about his experience | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
of helping others in a war zone. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom, | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
with a summary of today's news. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
will use his first Budget today to deliver what the Treasury has | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects, | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
with the deficit, although he's expected to find extra money | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
for social care in England and to help soften the impact | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
of changes to business rates. Lord Heseltine has been sacked | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
as a government adviser after rebelling over the legislation | :31:29. | :31:30. | |
that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers | :31:34. | :31:40. | |
backed calls for a parliamentary Speaking in the last hour, | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
Lord Heseltine said it was a great disappointment to have been sacked | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
but he had to vote according In the end Europe is the | :31:48. | :32:00. | |
transcending issue of our time and you have always to decide in public | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
life if you have a vote in Parliament where that national | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
interest lies and to me, it lies in the sovereignty of Parliament and I | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
therefore must vote in order to preserve the sovereignty of | :32:18. | :32:17. | |
Parliament. A former head of the CIA has said | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
is incredibly damaging. The documents - which have been | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
published by the website WikiLeaks - appear to reveal attempts to hack | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5 | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director, | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
Michael Hayden said Police searching for missing RAF | :32:46. | :32:46. | |
gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin | :32:47. | :32:59. | |
lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
than first thought. A search of a landfill site | :33:07. | :33:08. | |
in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
out on 24th September. A British backpacker | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
who was allegedly held captive for weeks, and subjected to repeated | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
sexual assaults, has been released The 22-year-old woman | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
is being comforted by her family A 22-year-old Australian | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
man has been charged with a number of offences, | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
and has been remanded in custody. That's a summary of | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
the latest BBC News. I get the impression that some of | :33:40. | :33:51. | |
you are not taking the spying through your TV seriously. A viewer | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
says, "I will only watch my smart TV when naked! | :33:57. | :33:56. | |
Arsene Wenger remains defiant after his side were knocked | :33:57. | :34:06. | |
out of the Champions League, 10-2 on aggregate | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
The German champions won 5-1 again - this time at the Emirates - | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
and Wenger blamed the referee for the extent of the defeat. | :34:14. | :34:22. | |
England ended the She Believes Cup with a narrow defeat 1-0 defeat | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
to European and Olympic champions Germany in Washington. | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
France beat hosts USA 3-0 to take the title. | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
The fixtures for this summer's women's cricket World Cup has been | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
England will begin their home tournament in Derby - | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
Team Sky say they've made mistakes and take full | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
responsibility for the controversy surrounding Sir Bradley Wiggins | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
and the mystery medical package he received in 2011. | :34:49. | :34:50. | |
They deny breaking anti-doping rules. | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
That's all the sport for now, we will be back with more after 10am. | :34:56. | :35:04. | |
The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, will deliver what's | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
being described as an "upbeat" assessment | :35:07. | :35:07. | |
of Britain's economic prospects in the Budget later. | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
The Budget is meant to update us all on the state of the economy, | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
the UK Government's spending plans and how they plan to pay for them. | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
The Chancellor's decisions will affect all of us. | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
Here's our political guru Norman Smith's guide | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
He's been dubbed Spreadsheet Phil, and that's because Mr Hammond | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
is a man with an eye on the bottom line, a cautious Chancellor. | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
I regard my job as Chancellor as making sure that our economy | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
is resilient, that we've got reserves in the tank. | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
So here's five top tips. some giveaways and handy headlines. | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
Social care: it's groaning at the seams. | :35:49. | :35:49. | |
So, stand by for an emergency injection of more than ?1 billion. | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
But no Budget comes without at least some giveaways and handy headlines. | :35:54. | :36:06. | |
Social care: it's groaning at the seams. | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
So, stand by for an emergency injection of more than ?1 billion. | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
And there will be a promise of yet another government review of how | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
Labour, however, are already promising a fight over the issue. | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
A million people aren't getting the care they need. | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
And family members, mostly women, are having to give up work | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
Every day that the Prime Minister fails to act, | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
Business rates, shops have been on the war path over a hefty | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
hike in their bills, so expect help for some | :36:32. | :36:33. | |
small high street traders who have been hit hardest. | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
Grammar schools will get the official go-ahead, | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
with cash to build new selective free schools, able to pick | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
and choose pupils on the basis of their academic ability. | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
T-levels, a new, simple technology qualification doing courage | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
of youngsters to acquire skills and trades. | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
The hope that T-levels will be seen as just as good as A-levels. | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
And finally, austerity, there's more of it, and it's | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
going to last until after 2020, with benefit freezes, pay caps | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
Labour are demanding a different approach. | :37:06. | :37:13. | |
I think this government lives in a different world | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
People are suffering at the moment, stagnating wages, prices increasing | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
because of inflation, insecure work, cuts | :37:21. | :37:21. | |
All in all, it's going to be a careful, cautious Budget. | :37:22. | :37:34. | |
And that is not just because Philip Hammond | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
is that sort of Chancellor, but because, as a nation, | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
So let's talk about some of the key issues - | :37:40. | :37:48. | |
social care, education, business rates and the gig economy - | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
where people are employed on temporary short-term contracts | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
or freelance work as opposed to permanent jobs. | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
To speak about business rate hikes are Lyn Knights, | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
who has a 165-year old clothing business in Southwold | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
and Alex Pose-Gil, who owns London's Buckingham Coffee Lounge | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
and is seeing his rates go from ?11,000 to ?22,000 a year. | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
Carly Hobbs is self-employed as a make-up artist, | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
tanner and beauty writer and says expected tax increases for the self | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
To talk about the Chancellor's widely trailed announcement | :38:20. | :38:30. | |
we have Geoff Barton, a secondary school headteacher who's | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
with us from Ipswich, and to discuss the anticipated | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
announcement on social care, ex-head of the association | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
of directors of adult social services, Ray James. | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
Welcome all of you. We're going to talk about business rates first. | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
What are you expecting in terms of your rates going up? I hope they're | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
going to go down. Do you? Yes. Do you think that's likely? Well, there | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
is a little murmur about it. That the Chancellor will put extra cash | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
for people who are expecting a big hike? I hope so. We're up in arms. | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
Southwold is a wonderful place. It is a lovely seaside town and it is | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
because of house prices. A beach hut goes for ?160,000. Which is obscene, | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
but it is a beautiful place. But that means the rates in the shops go | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
up. We've got all the chain stores coming into town now and they're | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
paying ?60,000, ?65,000 in rent. Now, who can afford that? The local | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
shops are closing. Are they actually closing? Well, the shoe shop has | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
gone and there is murmurs that people will close and go because | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
they can't afford it. Alex you're in a similar position. You're worried. | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
There are plenty of businesses where the rates are going down? I agree | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
with that. It is a different business model. We're in Central | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
London, we have to be competitive with what we have got around us. | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
There are people outside of London, warehouses have been put to me, but | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
we're not the same playing field. Yes, we're still business and we | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
have to pay everything, but they have the advantage of playing the | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
law and they can be away from where I can. I rely on foot fall. If I am | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
know not there, where do you want me to be? Central business will be | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
without the friendly businesses. That's not going to exist in London | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
anymore. So, I mean, what impact will there be on your business if | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
there is no relief from the Chancellor for you today? In | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
preparation I've made cuts. One of them, one of my staff members wants | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
to go back to studying so I've reduced her hours. So I have been | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
lucky in that respect, but I can't cut anymore. I've cut my own pocket | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
as much I can. I'm in the lucky position that I have a good family | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
behind me, but it is just my sole income, I would have to consider | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
closing down. Seriously. You have written to the chancellor and you | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
have sent him a postcard? I I sent a video to the Prime Minister at | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
Christmas time. OK, have you had any response? I have had a letter back | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
from her thanking me for the video, but nothing about the rates. I sent | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
a card with a picture of shop and sent the letter, "Please help us." | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
Fingers crossed. We will see. We will see. Let's talk to Karly, you | :41:20. | :41:27. | |
have self-employed as a make-up artist, a hair stylist and tanner, | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
you have been doing that for three years. In terms of the decision to | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
be self-employed. Tell us about that? My background was on glossy | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
women's magazines and that was competitive and there were a lot of | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
redundancies and I decided to open a portfolio career and train in all | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
the areas, I work four different jobs because I still write about | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
beauty well. In terms of the changes that are coming to me, although I | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
work a lot of hours every week, it is going to mean working even more | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
hours. Because you're expecting national insurance to be put up and | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
that's going to hit you as a self-employed person? Yeah, that's | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
right. For me, it seems unfair, while those are going up for | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
self-employed people which a lot of people are becoming even if they are | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
on zero contract hours, it is like being freelance for them. There is | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
no support of if I'm poorly, I need to take time off or further down the | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
line if I want to have a baby, maternity, there is no buffer for me | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
there. OK, I mean that is what is, you know, we're expecting that from | :42:26. | :42:27. | |
the Chancellor. So you're going to have to absorb that? Yeah, I'm going | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
to have to absorb it. I'm going to have to budget harder and save more | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
of my earnings and chase clients. That's another thing for | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
self-employed people, although you get the work aye do lovely photo | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
shoots, chasing clients for money takes a long time, it is not a | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
regular pay cheque every month so I'm really going to have to be | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
careful with my budget and how I manage my finances. OK. Thank you | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
for that. Let's talk to Geoff Barton about education and then we'll talk | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
to Ray James about social care the more money going into funding school | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
places, some of it will be going to fund new selective school places. | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
What do you think of that? Well, we will wait and see what the | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
Chancellor actually says this afternoon, Victoria, but from what | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
we've read so far, reminding ourselves that school are the places | :43:21. | :43:22. | |
that society passes on skills and values to the next generation, at a | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
time when we know we've got ?3 billion worth of funding cuts in | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
real terms. It will feel a bit rich particularly to taxpayers if it | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
looks like a pot has been set aside for vanity project for something | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
which has got no evidence behind it and which hasn't been consulted and | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
which may do damage to social justice. A vanity project, the words | :43:45. | :43:51. | |
used by the Shadow Education Secretary. There is a demand from | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
some parents for more grammar schools and more selective education | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
for their children? We don't see the evidence for that. There are good | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
grammar schools in the country at the moment, but it seems not | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
unreasonable that we should say before ?324 million is put aside, | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
there should be a sign of what the consultation is saying, we haven't | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
had the outcome of the consultation. There should be evidence and there | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
should be a real sign that this is going to help the poorest children | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
because what we know is those ?3 billion worth of cuts that I've | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
talked about are likely to hit the most disadvantaged school and the | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
most disadvantaged communities the most and a Government that talks | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
social justice really should put that into practise. Are you seeing | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
an impact of tightened budgets in your own school and if so, in what | :44:33. | :44:40. | |
way? Definitely. We have a loan of ?150,000. That doesn't mean that | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
we're going to make that money back by not paining the corridors. It is | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
not about not buying textbooks. The only way you can make savings is by | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
reducing the number of teachers and the way you do that is by increasing | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
class sizes and by putting fewer courses on. It will drive a scism | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
between those schools where parents can afford it make contributions and | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
those that can't and it is the disadvantaged schools who this | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
Government should be fighting for who look, if the information we've | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
been given so far is right, they are the ones who will be hit hardest by | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
?3 billion of cuts over the coming years at a time when we know 284,000 | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
secondary places will be needed. Ray James is here. He is former head of | :45:24. | :45:33. | |
adult social services. The Government is expected to inject | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
?1.5 billion into the social care sector, that's looking after elderly | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
people, people with disabilities in the community? Yes, so what will be | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
really good to hear today is the growing recognition that the number | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
of people needing care and support is growing in future years and that | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
the cost of providing care will increase. Frontline care workers | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
deserve the Living Wage and that will increase the cost of providing | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
care so the funding from Government needs to keep pace with the growing | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
demand for and the growing cost of care. | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
This will plug a shortfall for the moment stop Mac we need genuinely | :46:07. | :46:16. | |
new and additional money. I am fearful it might be existing money | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
brought forward rather than new and additional money, and a commitment | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
to finding a longer term and sustainable solution in terms of | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
funding and national policy stop Mac it does not matter what political | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
party, it seems difficult to come up with something long term and | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
sustainable. Because we have elections every couple of years. | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
What are the holds in provision? The biggest areas are care homes closing | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
for the first time despite an ageing population, there are more care | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
homes closing on opening and in many parts of the country, especially | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
rural areas, being able to recruit the front home care workers to | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
provide care and support in homes is becoming increasingly difficult. | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
Good look to you all, you will all be watching and listening. The coach | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
macro will stand up later. Thank you very much. Good luck with your | :47:14. | :47:15. | |
businesses -- the Chancellor. Next, I'd like to introduce | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
you to 21-year-old James Casling. Three years ago, he was sectioned | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
in a psychiatric hospital, having tried to take his life | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
"countless" times, following He says football saved his life and, | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
last night, he was invited to Parliament to speak publicly | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
for the first time His talk was moving | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
and inspirational, and he's agreed to share it with you too this | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
morning, Hello, James. How are you? All | :47:42. | :47:56. | |
right, thank you. In your own time, James, read out what you said the | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
Parliament last night. My story started three weeks after | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
my 18th birthday when I was admitted to Park Royal Centre for mental | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
health. I had become so all that for me, life was not worth living and | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
18, I was ready to die and had made many attempts on my own life. If I | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
had carried on down that path, I would not be here today. Something | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
had to change, I had to stop destroying myself and build myself | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
up again. That is when football and QPR and the community trust came in | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
and change my life. One morning, Tom, the occupational therapist, | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
woke me up and asked if I wanted to play football and of course I said | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
yes. I didn't really expect much at first, but I realised I had no peace | :48:44. | :48:52. | |
so I rang my mum and asked to get me some -- boots. Within an hour, she | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
got me a pair. I did not realise if my mum did not buy me those boots, | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
things might never have changed and I might have lost my life to my | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
mental illness. All right, take your time. | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
All the time in the world. So every week, I would attend training and it | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
gave me hope for the future that I could be someone my family and my | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
friends could be proud of. To me, it was not just football, it was my | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
life. It gave me stuff to build on. Instead of destroying. I had become | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
stronger and every week, I would put so much effort in that I could not | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
walk for days afterwards. It changed me into a better man and it made me | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
want to stay alive so my mother and brothers would not have to bury me. | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
Instead, they could say to everyone, my son and my brother plays for QPR. | :49:50. | :49:57. | |
They have done amazing things, QPR. My biggest achievement would be in | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
my first three seasons at the club, I was top goal-scorer, every time I | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
put on the kit, I was not a schoolboy any more, I was James, I | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
was free my Demons. Unfortunately, others are not so lucky. I made a | :50:13. | :50:21. | |
20th 2010, I lost my father to suicide. On my 15th birthday. But I | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
have taken the good from the bad and I have met amazing people and | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
travelled to places to play football, I get to meet people. For | :50:31. | :50:38. | |
a young boy like me, losing my dad left me confused in this big world. | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
I did not have any sense of direction. I met my coaches, and | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
Nathan and they helped me find my way. They stood in my corner and the | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
support I had from them was amazing. Just so thankful they came over. | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
They showed me that I am with something and I am lucky enough to | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
know them. We can never stop people getting mentally unwell, but we can | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
help them recover with the use of football. It worked for me and many | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
others that I have played for and against and with. Football saved my | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
life. Well done. Well done. That was | :51:19. | :51:30. | |
magnificent. All right? Do you think it is important to | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
speak out? People are suffering in silence because they don't have | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
someone to look up to and say enough is enough, we have got to change. | :51:41. | :51:51. | |
People are mentally unwell and they are seen as an outcast from society. | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
Once we start breaking down the stigma, people will come out and say | :51:59. | :52:06. | |
they have got problems. And sharing is a good thing? Yes. Because people | :52:07. | :52:18. | |
sit in their rooms, wherever, and they just think about stuff too | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
much. That is why we have such a high suicide rate, because people | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
don't want to get help and speak out. But if one person shares, other | :52:30. | :52:40. | |
people will follow that example. I have a mental illness, it is nothing | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
to be ashamed of. It is like any other illness, you can get better | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
from it. What does playing football do for you, James? How does it make | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
you feel? It is just like you step on the field, the pitch, and just | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
have a ball actual foot and just to be focused. Because it is not always | :53:05. | :53:11. | |
about you because you have got to work as a team. And you want your | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
team to do well and you know you have got to play well yourself, so | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
your focus is on being the best player you can be at that time. You | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
are relying on your team-mates and they rely on you, and it is that | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
sort of belonging to something... When I lost my dad, I had lost all | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
sense of belonging and I still had my mother and brothers, but it just, | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
it's really out of control. I didn't have anything, I felt like I | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
belonged to nothing. But I put on my kit and I played with my friends and | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
it feels like we are not just friends, we are family. I know your | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
mum and the mental health Football Association support you speaking out | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
today. Some people will never have heard of the organisation, can you | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
tell us about their work? It only recently started, three years ago. | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
That is when I started playing and it grew from there, Conor, the | :54:17. | :54:25. | |
founder, really nice guy, I have played against him and had nice | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
chats, and it is just about being able, as we were saying yesterday, | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
networking with different clubs who have mental health teams. So there | :54:35. | :54:42. | |
is one place they can all go, they can go, I fancy a game, and they | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
show you the right direction to go and your closest route to joining in | :54:48. | :54:54. | |
and stuff like that. It has helped a lot of people in the time it has | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
been running, it in three years. May I read your messages from people who | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
have just listened to you this morning? This tweet, a brave young | :55:05. | :55:13. | |
guy, I am sending him a hug. Julie says, a QPR fan, football saved his | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
life, brave bloke, top man. God bless him, take is real courage. | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
Thank you so much, James, for being brave enough to share this. | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
April says, in tears watching this brave young man and your programme, | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
people often get is as suicide risks, people need more and better | :55:33. | :55:39. | |
intervention. Brave lad for being so honest. | :55:40. | :55:48. | |
Can you remember what your state of mind was when you are first | :55:49. | :55:59. | |
sectioned? I disappointed... I was in such a dark place that life was | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
not worth it. To me, I was in so much pain that the Carry On and like | :56:07. | :56:14. | |
it was going to hurt more than to bend my life. It is a scary place | :56:15. | :56:24. | |
because people are like, are you afraid of dying? But you are not | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
afraid of dying. That is scary because what are you afraid of? If | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
you can take steps to end your own life, there is not much that is | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
scary to you. But to sit in a room, I have done it countless times, and | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
just be left alone with my thoughts, I think that is what kills people. | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
It is not sadness, it is their own heads telling them their life is not | :56:56. | :57:04. | |
worth it. When in fact, it is. There is not always going to be a light at | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
the end of the tunnel, you have got to be your own. That is what I mean. | :57:08. | :57:15. | |
I have stood up and I have said, I can't live like this any more. I | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
cannot live until the next time a self harm or try to kill myself. I | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
want to actually live. I am 21 now. I have got a good 40, 50, 60 years | :57:29. | :57:37. | |
ahead of me. So from the age of 15, I wanted to die. And that is not a | :57:38. | :57:47. | |
way to live your life. How lost were you when your dad died? He took his | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
own life. It was like my whole world had just | :57:50. | :58:13. | |
disappeared. The one person... He was supposed to be the strongest | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
person in the world, in my eyes. He had gone. I did not have that father | :58:18. | :58:25. | |
figure. And my mum had to step up and do the two jobs. But I have | :58:26. | :58:37. | |
always wondered why he would do it. And why my love for him was not | :58:38. | :58:46. | |
enough. But then I realised that if somebody is like that, I could not | :58:47. | :58:55. | |
have saved him. I think that hurts a lot more to note that there is | :58:56. | :58:57. | |
nothing I could have done to prevent it. It is like your whole world gets | :58:58. | :59:13. | |
turned upside down. You just can't explain it. Yes. You have explained | :59:14. | :59:25. | |
it. You have explained it. What do you think about? You said you have | :59:26. | :59:33. | |
40, 50, 60 years, what do you think about in the future? I wish I could | :59:34. | :59:44. | |
predict the future but obviously, we can't. It is looking a lot brighter | :59:45. | :59:52. | |
than it was. A couple of months ago. Years ago. As I said, I can't, I | :59:53. | :00:04. | |
have to accept there is nothing I can do to change my situation, I | :00:05. | :00:10. | |
have just got to be strong. And I have got to help people come out of | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
their darkness. I think that is the future, for me, it is just to help | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
other people, out and speak up about their problems and say, do you know | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
what, for me, I have got borderline personality disorder, I have that, | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
but that is not me, I am still the same boy before he died and I will | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
be the same boy that I am when I die. | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
Can I read some more messages, James? Phil says this "Don't stop | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
what you're doing. Thank you for sharing your words and for your | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
courage today." Julian says, "What a top bloke. I'm sitting in my hotel | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
room in tears." Peter, "I'm so proud of you. Honoured to be your coach | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
and to call you a friend. Hashtag QPR Family." Oh. Thank you very much | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
for talking to us. Thank you for talking to our audience. I do not | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
under estimate the strength it took for you to do that and I really | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much, James. | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
Thank you. James' mum and the Mental health | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
football organisation supported James speaking out. You can find | :01:48. | :01:56. | |
organisations offering support at: Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :01:57. | :02:04. | |
Newsroom with a summary The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
will use his first budget today to deliver what the Treasury has | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects, | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
with the deficit, although he's expected to find extra money | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
for social care in England and to help soften the impact | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
of changes to business rates. Lord Heseltine has been sacked | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
as a Government adviser after rebelling over the legislation | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
backed calls for a parliamentary Speaking in the last hour, | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
the former Tory Deputy Prime Minister said it was a great | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
disappointment to have been sacked but he had to vote | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
according to his conscience. In the end, Europe is | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
the transcending issue of our time and you have always to decide | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
in public life if you have a vote in Parliament where that national | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
interest lies and to me, it lies in the sovereignty | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
of Parliament and I therefore must vote in order to preserve | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
the sovereignty of Parliament. A former head of the CIA has said | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5 | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
Michael Hayden said Police searching for missing RAF | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin | :03:47. | :03:59. | |
lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
than first thought. A search of a landfill site | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
out on 24th September. Some of the UK's biggest sports, | :04:10. | :04:17. | |
like cricket and football, are still failing to meet government | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
targets on female The report from the charity Women | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
in Sport suggests nearly half of sporting bodies have not met | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
the target of 30% gender diversity in the boardroom and there's been | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
a decline in the number of women A Canadian town has apologised | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
after its water treatment plan The Mayor of Onoway in Alberta said | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
there was no public health risk but the town "could have done | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
a better job communicating He said it was the unfortunate | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
side-effect of a common water-treatment chemical, | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
potassium permanganate, commonly That's a summary of | :04:54. | :04:54. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. | :04:55. | :05:14. | |
Good morning. Thank you for your many, many messages about James who | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
has just spoken in such raw terms about his own mental health. Kev | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
says, "I have just watched an extraordinary young man through | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
tears of my own. I feel his pain, but I take heart from his bravery. | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Good luck. Keep fighting." James says, "That wonderful young man who | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
has just spoken about mental health is so, so brave. Please tell him | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
that he is not alone and that I just want to hold him and let him know | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
that he is so wonderful. I cannot put into words how he had made me | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
feel. :. " There are many more of us and I will try and read as many as I | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
can in the next hour. Do get in touch with us | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Arsenal suffered a humiliating exit | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
in the Champions League last 16. For a second time they were beaten | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
5-1 from German giants Bayern Munich meaning they lost 10-2 on aggregate | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
- that's the worst defeat suffered by an English | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
side in the competition. They were reduced to ten men | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
on the night with boss Arsene Wenger saying he was "revolted" | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
by the referee's The capitulation led | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
to chants of "Wenger Out" And those objections spilled out | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
onto the streets of North London last night with thousands | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
of fans protesting. We want you to go. Arsene Wenger we | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
want you to go. They demanded an answer | :06:40. | :06:47. | |
from the club's greatest ever boss, who was asked if it was his final | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
Champions League match as a manager. I don't know. You are always worried | :06:50. | :07:03. | |
for headlines, I'm here to speak about football, not about my future. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
What needs to change at this club. What do you mean by that? I think | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
this club is in great shape, but it is going through a very difficult | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
situation, so what needs to change is the result in the next game. | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
A sad night for Arsene Wenger. England didn't have much joy | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
against German opponents either. They lost 1-0 to Germany, | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
in the She Believes Cup. Anya Mitaarg with the goal | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
for the European Champions France won the invitational | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
tournament. The first-half we were a bit | :07:39. | :07:47. | |
disappointed with ourselves. We set out to do what we had done. The | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
second half, we got to grips with the game and that was much more the | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
England that we want to be. I think we put Germany on the back foot and | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
it came down to fine margins and Germany took their chance when they | :07:59. | :07:59. | |
got it and we didn't unfortunately. The number of women | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
getting top jobs at UK sporting The Women In Sport group calls | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
the findings of their study Under a new rules coming | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
into effect next month, organisations must have a 30% female | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
representation on their boards, England's Director of | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
Women's Cricket is Clare Connor. The opportunity to host a World Cup | :08:21. | :08:31. | |
in any sport is a pinnacle time. It's something that all the | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
athletes, all the players aspire to be part of. As administrators it is | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
a huge opportunity for us to promote our game to as many people as | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
possible. We will be taking the tournament around the country, | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
starting with England's opening game in Derby on 24th June. To have that | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
opportunity to take our team and the sport and the trophy around the | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
country, to try to inspire girls to pick up bats and balls for the first | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
time is a wonderful opportunity. Almost a once-in-a-lifetime | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
opportunity. We haven't had the World Cup in this country for 24 | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
years. So a huge amount has changed since that time. We're really | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
looking forward to making the most of that opportunity. | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
The women's cricket World Cup launched today. We will be focussed | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
on the Budget after 11am, but you can keep up-to-date with the sports | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
stories on the website. Thank you. | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
Before any new medicine can be given to patients, | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
detailed information about how it works and how safe it | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
This is done through clinical medical trials. | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
And without volunteers to take part in the trials, | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
there would be no new treatments for serious diseases such as cancer, | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
But one disastrous drug trial at a London hospital in 2006 | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
In what became known as the Elephant Man trial, | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
six healthy young men were treated for organ failure after experiencing | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
a serious reaction within hours of taking the drug TGN1412 | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
After they were all admitted to intensive care, two | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
The worst affected lost his fingers and toes, and all the men | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
were subsequently told they would be likely to develop cancers | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
or auto-immune diseases as a result of their exposure to the drug. | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
They described feeling like their brains were "on fire" | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
and their "eyeballs were going to pop out". | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
So, why would anyone want to take part in such a trial now? | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
Researchers in the UK are currently part of a worldwide effort | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
to develop a vaccine for Ebola, should another outbreak occur. | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
Our reporter, Catrin Nye, went to visit the Oxford Vaccine Group, | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
a place where they are constantly looking for volunteers | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
Henry is a student in Oxford - one of the people trialling | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
REPORTER: How many blood tests have you had so far? | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
Probably about six or seven, something like that, | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
This is a phase two trial, looking at the response | :11:06. | :11:14. | |
of the immune system in a large group of people, | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
Participants can either get a placebo, so a saline injection, | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
or they get two different Ebola vaccinations. | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
I had some slight fever and chills afterwards, | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
which is an indicator that I had had a vaccine rather than | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
Henry will get paid around ?450 in total for this trial. | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
He'll come here more than a dozen times. | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
I get paid about ?45 a session every time I come in. | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
As a student, you know, you can't complain. | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
He won't actually be given Ebola, that's too dangerous. | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
There was definitely an aspect of, it's quite a current issue. | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
You see it in the news every day, the statistics. | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
How many dead in west Africa with new infections | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
It was definitely a motivator to want to help out. | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
You did some decent research to find out the risks involved in the trial. | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
Just to make sure I wasn't going to get Ebola, as a lot | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
So, I did research just for peace of mind for myself. | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
2014 saw the biggest outbreak of Ebola in history. | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
The viral illness starts with sudden fever and intense weakness but can | :12:25. | :12:34. | |
lead to horrific bleeding, sometimes from the eyes and ears. | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
There was a vaccine available when this happened but it hadn't | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
Thousands of miles away in Oxford, that's what's happening now. | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
When we're in the laboratory, don't touch anything. | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
How many different samples have you got? | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
The vaccine hadn't been tested at the time of the Ebola outbreak | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
because there wasn't really a mechanism to fund that process. | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
There wasn't a commercial argument for development | :13:07. | :13:08. | |
So, it wasn't until it was a big problem that public funding came in. | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
What he's basically saying is the pharmaceutical companies | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
don't have much incentive to pour research and development money | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
into a vaccine that will be used mostly in poor countries | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
by relatively few people, like one for Ebola. | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
It wasn't until public money was provided that | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
The Ebola trial running here today is funded entirely | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
There must be a constant difficulty, or a constant struggle, | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
to know that maybe tens of thousands of people have to die | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
for someone to put the money in to develop a drug. | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
I think we are in such a different position now, | :13:48. | :13:55. | |
where we have a global recognition that there are a number of other | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
Now there are mechanisms being put in place to make sure we are no | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
longer in a position where we have the potential to make | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
vaccines but no-one has actually done it yet. | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
One of the reasons it can be so difficult to get volunteers | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
for clinical trials is that when they go wrong it can make | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
One of the most famous being a private trial | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
at Northwick Park in London in 2006 in what became known | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
Six healthy men were treated for organ failure after a severe | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
reaction just hours after taking the drug they were testing. | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
The worst affected lost his fingers and toes. | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
These are the trials we often hear about, | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
rather than the successful ones happening here today. | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
Anyone that takes part in a clinical trial here needs to go | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
Because of various requirements, and the fact that some trials need | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
very healthy volunteers, around half of people won't make it | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
The research team here allowed me to sit in on one of those screenings | :14:56. | :15:04. | |
Maria's also a student in Oxford and has come to talk | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
There are already two existing licensed vaccines against typhoid, | :15:12. | :15:19. | |
but they're only around 60% effective in adults and far | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
This trial is much more serious than the Ebola one because she'll | :15:22. | :15:29. | |
actually be given typhoid and then treated for it. | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
Because the study involves us deliberately infecting | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
people with typhoid, we have to be fairly strict | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
It's also important that anyone we do enroll understands exactly | :15:36. | :15:44. | |
what it involves and the risks associated with that. | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
We obviously do a screen for hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HIV. | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
There you go, you get a health check as well. | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
Today, Marie and I are learning about the process, | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
the risks and what the study is trying to establish. | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
In this study, we are going to be randomly allocating people. | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
You won't know which and I won't know which. | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
When we challenge people with a normal strain of typhoid, | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
about two thirds of them develop symptoms of illness. | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
You're giving some people a strain of typhoid and some people the same | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
To look at the effects of that toxin. | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
And then with a view to seeing if that could be | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
Crucial here is that Marie does not spread typhoid | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
into the general population, so she's also given | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
strict instructions on hygiene during the trial. | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
This is, of course, a big undertaking for Marie. | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
Researchers here say it is crucially important that people like her do | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
They currently need 60 more people for this typhoid trial. | :16:39. | :16:49. | |
The biggest challenge is finding people who will take part | :16:50. | :16:58. | |
in the studies that involve quite a time commitment to work with us | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
but, actually, the benefits are that it can transform the health | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
of our population and globally in the future. | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
Marie will get paid much more for this typhoid trial | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
She'll have to come in for tests much more, every day at one point. | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
How much of a motivation is the money? | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
I would do it even if the money wasn't there. | :17:21. | :17:22. | |
There's quite a lot of us who realise there are a lot | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
of medical issues in the world and we would like to help but, | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
instead of giving the money to charities where we don't | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
necessarily see exactly what's happening, with a medical trial, | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
we can see that they are working towards something, and a cure, | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
and we are a part of it, rather than just giving our money | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
to someone, saying, "Here you go, just go and do whatever..." | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
So, for you, this is a very, very direct charity. | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
Let's speak now to Bob Berry, a 60-year-old lung cancer patient | :17:49. | :18:04. | |
who was given 18 months to live, but has been left with no trace | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
of the disease after going on a trial of a new drug | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
which hadn't been tested on humans before. | :18:12. | :18:20. | |
And to Nicola Murrells who, October 2014, was given just | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
weeks to live after being diagnosed with bowel cancer. | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
She was involved in a six-month trial of a drug called IMM 101. | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
Hello, both. Bob, tell our audience, you are given 18 months to live, | :18:28. | :18:37. | |
three years ago, what happened? I was diagnosed with lung cancer, the | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
first part of it was having my lungs taken away at Wythenshawe followed | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
by chemotherapy, radiotherapy, another dose of chemotherapy. And | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
none of those worked. I was then referred to the clinical trials at | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
Christies. What we're told about the strokes trail? Pros and cons and I | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
first went through the cons and I thought, do I want to put myself | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
through this because I have escaped side-effects from the chemotherapy | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
already, or radiotherapy? And I did have a bit of a hiccup at first, but | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
they did reassure me and said they were so minor, they have just got to | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
tell you but the chances are you would not be affected. What you | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
think of what has happened? Well, an absolute miracle! That is what it | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
is. It is amazing, it really is. In terms of how you feel and your | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
health now, how well do you feel? To be honest, I have never felt ill | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
from the start to the finish, from when I was first aid nose to where I | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
am now. No side-effects whatsoever. I have been very lucky. It is really | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
interesting to hear from you. Nicola, back in 2014, you were told | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
you had about nine weeks to live. Last year, I was told I had nine | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
weeks to live. It was last year, my mistake, sorry. After being | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
diagnosed with bowel cancer. First, how did you do deal with that | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
diagnosis? I am a mother, I have a little girl who is four and my | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
natural instinct was to think about her and it was heartbreaking to | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
think she will call out for me at night and I will not be there, and | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
had you explain to a four-year-old mummy has only got weeks left to | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
live? It was a real shock to the system and since I have been | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
diagnosed, which was originally in 2014, I have had a strong belief I | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
would survive, and instinct, so to hear the news, was devastating for | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
my husband, my mum, my brother, my close family and friends, it was | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
awful. The drugs you were involved in, the drugs trial, had been tested | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
already on other humans, what were you told about what it might do for | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
you? There is no promises with a drugs trial, as there should not be. | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
When you get to the stage you are classed as terminal, your appetite | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
to try something new changes and drastically increases. So for me, it | :21:21. | :21:29. | |
was about, I have a strong belief in immunotherapy and boosting and | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
giving the body the tools to do the job, so the trial was immunotherapy | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
based and the drugs I am taking, they are also immunotherapy based. | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
There was a risk of autoimmune disease and I also knew there was a | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
chance it could help me. And I really... I am still here, I did not | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
die after the nine weeks. My disease has stabilised and I have got a 20% | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
reduction in tumours which for me, as a mother and a wife, I am 42, it | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
is unbelievable. Do you know how the drug has worked on you? Can you | :22:08. | :22:16. | |
explain? It stimulates your immune system. It sends your immune system | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
into overdrive. Different parts depending on different drugs. One | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
part acts as a vaccine and tries to contain the cancer. Immunotherapy | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
booster is about your body recognising the cancer and being | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
able to detect it and destroy it. It is based on giving your body the | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
tools to do the job. It knows. Our body does not know how to fight back | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
with cancer. Thank you so much, Nicola, it is good to talk to you. | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
Thank you very much. Bob, continued good health, keep on keeping on! | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
Absolutely, yes. Thank you very much, we really appreciate it. Thank | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
you. Some of your amazing comments now | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
reacting to James, the 21-year-old who was on the programme before ten | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
o'clock, who spoke in very brutal terms about his mental health | :23:18. | :23:26. | |
issues. And the fact that joining a football team really is helping him. | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
He says football saved his life. He gave a talk to Parliament last | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
night, which is a massive thing for him. And he agreed to be on the | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
programme to give the talk to you, and so many appreciated it. Jordan | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
e-mailed, thank you so much for showing this on your programme. I am | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
in a dark place at the moment and I cannot see the light, but this is | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
making me see there are people who can help, so thank you, all. | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
Durham says, I have suffered with mental illness all my life, I am 56 | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
and had my first anxiety attack at three and a half. My heart goes out | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
to James, I need to tell James Howell proud I am of him and to | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
thank him with all my heart for being so brave, courageous and | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
amazing, what a young man! You are loved and needed by so many, never | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
forget that. Debra says, James is a very brave | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
young man, if I were there now, I would give him the biggest hug! He | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
has shown tremendous courage and I wish he goes on to a bigger and | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
better life. Alfie says, what a remarkable and | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
brave young man, God bless him and good book for his future. | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
Holly, what a courageous young man. David, marvellous young lad, well | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
done. What a brave young man James is, | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
well done, make to come at your words will help others. | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
April, I hope he feels proud and connects with those who often | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
overlook mental health which is such an important issue. | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
Caroline, just be watching a very brave young man talking about his | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
mental health difficulties, please, everyone, take the time to watch | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
this interview. And so it goes on. I could | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
seriously... There are a lot of these messages, thank you for | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
getting in touch. But sharing your love with him. His mum was backing | :25:17. | :25:29. | |
him coming on and the Mental Mental health Football Association backing | :25:30. | :25:30. | |
his decision to speak out. The Crown Prosecution Service has | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
been forced to look again at its decision not to prosecute | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
a far right activist with links to Nazi sympathisers whose comments | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
had included saying England should His name is Jeremy Bedford-Turner - | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
this is him speaking Step back, close our eyes and look | :25:43. | :26:05. | |
at the world as it really is. Look at the problems in this world and | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
look at their source. Let's call a spade a spade! A dog a dog! A rat a | :26:10. | :26:21. | |
rat! Tony Bloom work -- Tony Blair, a well criminal sort it out! | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
The legal action was brought by the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
who say they're increasingly concerned that the CPS is failing | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
They say of the over 15,000 hate crimes prosecuted | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
by the CPS in 2015, only 12 were prosecutions | :26:38. | :26:39. | |
With us now is our legal correspondent, Clive Coleman. | :26:40. | :26:50. | |
Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, from Reform Judaism. | :26:51. | :26:52. | |
And Gideon Falter, Chairman of Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, | :26:53. | :26:54. | |
who brought the legal action against the Crown Prosecution Service. | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
Clive, the background first of this man and what else he was saying. You | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
have a flavour of it. He said, it was a long speech, he said that the | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
French Revolution and the first and second world was, they were | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
massacres that were perpetrated by the Jewish people, that gives a | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
sense of the speech. What happened was that the Crown Prosecution | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
Service, there is evidence because the speech was filmed and it has | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
been posted on YouTube and it has been transcribed. With that | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
evidence, the Crown Prosecution Service decided they would not | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
prosecute him for incitement to racial or religious hatred there | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
then an application for a victim is right of review, a right any | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
potential victim of a potential crime has to ask the CPS to | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
reconsider that decision, and they will apply their normal tests and | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
they will look at the evidence to see if there is a realistic prospect | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
of conviction and if so, whether it is in the public interest to do so. | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
Having declined to prosecute and the claims the requests for a victim | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
right to review, the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism looked to | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
bring a judicial review, to review both decisions. I understand this | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
week, before that, they were successful and before the full | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
judicial review was to take place, the CPS agreed to get a senior | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
lawyer to review the original decision not to prosecute. The | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
reason, they say, is they have advice from a senior lawyer in | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
relation to the consideration of the human rights aspects of the | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
prosecution and it was that that forced them to rethink. More | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
broadly, can I talk with you two about anti-Semitic hate crime | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
generally and the figures I mentioned in the introduction from | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
2015. Gideon, what sort of a year was that for anti-Semitic hate | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
crime? We rely on police statistics and it was the worst year on record, | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
we do not have on the statistics for 2016, but there was a 26% rise in | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
anti-Semitic crime and within that, a 51% rise in violent anti-Semitism. | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
We seen the continued shift from anti-Semitic hate speeches and | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
incitement to actual acts of violent anti-Semitism. For there to only | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
have been 12 prosecutions for anti-Semitism that year is | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
absolutely staggering. Why do you think that is? I don't know why, I | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
am listening to the important thing that it has doubled and that is very | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
worrying. It also needs to be taken in context, that dues live in | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
Britain very happily and safely mainly and we know that the | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
mainstream Community Security Trust who live with the police, they happy | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
beta for all Asian ships and they do get taken extremely seriously. When | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
you look at those figures, one would expect more prosecutions and a | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
higher number than 12. Yes, and something that is interesting is the | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
Community Security Trust complained about this individual and they were | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
also told, we are not going to prosecute. We work very closely with | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
the Home Office and Downing Street and none of that helps when you get | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
to the lower levels of the machinery, so the police who were | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
surrounding him when he made the speech outnumbered him by 15-1 and | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
they failed to make an arrest. And they failed to realise a crime was | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
taking place in front of them until we reported it. The Crown | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
Prosecution Service, supposedly there to do with these cases, it is | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
abjectly failing to bring prosecutions and we are constantly | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
contacted and in this case it was unusual because I was there and I | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
was the victim and I was able to make that complaint. And I assumed | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
that as the person who runs the reading Campaign Against | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
Anti-Semitism in the UK, I assumed this would be taken very seriously | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
and acted on and the fact is, we have had to fight for nearly two | :31:08. | :31:08. | |
years just to get this point. We have to say alleged crime. The | :31:09. | :31:19. | |
Crown Prosecution Service, it is a balancing act, it is a difficult | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
balancing act. There is article 10 of the Human Rights Act which gives | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
the right to freedom of expression. That has to be balanced against | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
Article 17 of the Act which prohibits someone from exercising | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
rights if they are going to be extinguishing the rights of others | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
across the Human Rights Act. It is a balancing act for them, but they | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
have obviously taken on board the fact that they didn't give enough | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
contribution to Article 17 and they will be look at that now in carrying | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
out the balancing act. In the middle of a balance you have this image of | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
a woman of justice, especially on international women's day, holding | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
those two scales and my question is when you have that balance, what is | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
our Prime Minister saying in order to weight that balance in a certain | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
way? And when someone says, I mean, the most unsubtle, pew trid | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
anti-Semitic lies, you don't need a lot in the balance, but what you | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
need is that stabiliser, the pillar in the middle that holds the scales | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
of justice to give clear messages. So one of the reasons maybe, and I | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
don't know, that the CPS didn't move forward with it, is that there | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
hasn't been a strong enough message and particularly now, when we have | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
seen what happened with the Casey review. The Casey review has shown | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
in a way that we have never seen before how parallel, how separate, | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
how enclave so much of Britain is and it has shone a light | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
particularly on white working class areas where hate crimes, speech and | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
crimes are up. So what we see is a total change in the balance in | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
Britain and we're out of balance at the moment because we have Brexit | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
and that is shaky and it makes us feel anxious and we see more | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
expressions of hate across-the-board and so when I look at why this may | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
have happened, I think, what needs to happen in the future, who is | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
holding us in the balance? And the narratives and the enforcement needs | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
to be much stronger. A final word. There are two main questions that | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
need to come out of this. The first is how on earth was it necessary | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
that we should have to take this action in order for the CPS to | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
reconsider its decision? Why is it that Jews have to fight so hard to | :33:32. | :33:42. | |
obtain justice? Why do you think you have to fight harder than others? | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
Anti-semitism, I don't believe in the hierarchy, but anti-semitism is | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
different and anti-semitism casts Jews not as inferior, it casts Jews | :33:55. | :34:02. | |
as superior, you heard what Jeremy Bedford-Turner said there. There is | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
something acceptable about that abuse? A lot of what Jeremy Bedford | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
Turner said was directed at Jewish conspiracy as the state of Israel | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
for example. People, not just on the far-right, but also on the far left | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
and also Islamic extremists use this coded language to refer to Jews and | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
I suppose the second question that comes out of this as well, which is | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
important, is that the CPS got this point of law so badly wrong for two | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
years until they hired a senior QC to defend the case and he told them | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
that they just couldn't win. Thank you all. Thank you very much for | :34:41. | :34:41. | |
coming on the programme. Thank you. Women in Ireland will be protesting | :34:42. | :34:55. | |
on the country's total ban on abortion. We will hear about calls | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
to get more med wives into specialist bereavement training. | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
-- midwives. With the news, here's Annita | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
will use his first Budget today to deliver what the Treasury has | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
with the deficit. Lord Heseltine has been sacked | :35:25. | :35:26. | |
as a Government adviser after rebelling over the legislation | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
backed calls for a parliamentary The mother of a missing RAF airman | :35:41. | :35:42. | |
has said new evidence linking a bin lorry to his disappearance "can only | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
mean one thing." Suffolk Police have said the vehicle | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
which was in the area where Corrie McKeague was last seen | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
was carrying a much heavier Mr McKeague, who's 23, | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
vanished during a night out A landfill site is | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
now being searched. A former head of the CIA has said | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been | :36:14. | :36:14. | |
published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5 | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone | :36:21. | :36:29. | |
in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director, | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
Michael Hayden said Join me for BBC | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
Newsroom live at 11am. Thank you. | :36:40. | :36:54. | |
Janet says, "It isn't often that I get as emotional watching television | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
as I did watching James. Well done James. It must have been so hard, | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
but I'm certain you will be an inspiration to young people out | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
there. And your brave words could help save lives." Ann says, "James | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
your words resounded with me after I lost my mum. What an intelligent | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
young man and so courageous to speak out about your experience. It is the | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
hardest thing when you feel like your world is shattered and picking | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
up the pieces seem impossible at times. Keep doing what you love, | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
football." Jen says, "James, an extraordinary young man. His courage | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
by appearing on your programme be rewarded by highlighting mental | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
health issues and also the importance of talking about suicide | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
and its effect on families. Also how sport is playing such a huge part in | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
providing a safe, inclusive and supportive environment for young and | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
old to engage with others. Amid so many worrying news issues we need to | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
remember there is a great deal of good in the world." There are so | :37:54. | :38:03. | |
many. One more. Carmen says, "What a brave young man James is. I was in | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
tears. Please let him know. If he was my son, I would be proud of him. | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
I hope he finds happiness which he and his family deserve. Well done, | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
James. Love from Carmen and Mike." We will make sure James gets them | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
all. In sport, Arsene Wenger remains | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
defiant after his side were knocked out of the Champions League, | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
10-2 on aggregate The German champions won 5-1 again, | :38:34. | :38:34. | |
this time at the Emirates, and Wenger blamed what he described | :38:35. | :38:42. | |
as a "revolting" performance from the referee for | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
the extent of the defeat. England ended the She Believes Cup | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
with a narrow 1-0 defeat to European and Olympic champions | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
Germany in Washington. France beat hosts USA | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
3-0 to take the title. The fixtures for this summer's | :38:57. | :38:58. | |
Women's cricket World Cup has been England will begin their home | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
tournament in Derby facing Team Sky say they've made mistakes | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
but take full responsibility for the controversy surrounding | :39:05. | :39:14. | |
Sir Bradley Wiggins and the mystery They deny breaking | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
anti-doping rules. Ireland has a near-total ban | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
on abortion, meaning thousands of women every year travel abroad | :39:20. | :39:31. | |
for a termination, with others breaking the law | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
by taking abortion pills. Today, women around Ireland will | :39:34. | :39:44. | |
protest for a change in the law. They want to see a referendum | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
on the issue in the mainly Our reporter Joel Gunter has been | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
talking to women in Dublin affected This woman was 20 weeks pregnant | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
when she was told her baby had a fatal abnormality and was likely | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
to die before she was born. I sat down and I kind of planned | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
out her life and everything that she was going to do, | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
and all the love I was Claire wanted to have an abortion, | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
but she lives in Ireland where abortion is illegal | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
unless a woman's life is at risk. She couldn't afford to pay | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
for a termination abroad, so she was forced to wait five weeks | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
for her daughter, Alex, I knew she was getting weaker | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
and I knew she was going to die. I couldn't get my head around how | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
I was going to go through with it. How physically, emotionally | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
and mentally was I going Thousands of Irish women every year | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
travel abroad for a termination, or take illegal abortion | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
pills ordered online. Women across Ireland will take part | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
in protest today to call for the repeal of the 8th Amendment, | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
Ireland's constitutional Despite the 8th Amendment, | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
women are having abortions The reason that we're taking | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
this provocative stance is because our government is 50 | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
years behind where On the other side of the debate, | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
one of the largest pro-life groups, Youth Defence, uses graphic abortion | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
images to get its message across. Why are you still using the kind | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
of shock tactics we have here today? Well, because they are | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
the reality of abortion. These are children. | :41:10. | :41:11. | |
They are as human as you or I. Just because their lives are short, | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
that doesn't mean their lives And that their lives | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
should be ended. A recent poll suggests more people | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
in Ireland support legalising abortion in limited circumstances, | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
rather than for all women. Pro-choice MP Ruth Coppinger said | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
she feared the anti-abortion laws would be watered down | :41:28. | :41:29. | |
rather than scrapped. The constitution is meant | :41:30. | :41:37. | |
to be of broad statement It shouldn't be dealing | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
with women's bodies. My generation was prevented | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
from changing the 8th Amendment Campaigners at this meeting | :41:43. | :41:44. | |
of pro-choice parents know They said they would continue | :41:45. | :41:57. | |
fighting to give their daughters Abortion is only legal in Ireland | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
if the mother's life it at risk, and not in cases of rape, | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
incest or foetal anomaly. Having one carries | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
a 14-year prison sentence. We can speak now to Niamh Ui Bhriain | :42:10. | :42:18. | |
from The Life Institute. They're based in Ireland, | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
and Campaign Against Abortion. Also with us is Aoife Frances, | :42:23. | :42:24. | |
from Strike4Repeal, in Dublin, which has organised | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
today's planned action. What is the significance of what's | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
happening today? So, we launched the campaign in the end of January and | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
we are calling on the Government to give us a date for a referendum to | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
repeal the eighth. We have been waiting for decades and we have been | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
organising for decades and so obviously the date for the | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
referendum wasn't given so today we are going on strike and we are | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
having action all over Ireland and all over the world to demand that | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
the Government gives us the date for the referendum. | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
What do you think of this action today? Well, think it is very | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
important that your viewers understand that there is no strike | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
for repeal. The media coverage of this campaign is just akin to fake | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
news. We hear a lot about fake news and this is a prime example it. If | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
anybody understands what a strike is, it is when people collectively | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
leave their workplace without the authority of their employees, | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
without pay, to agitate for better conditions. What the abortion | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
campaigners have called for in Ireland is that people take a paid | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
day's leave or wear black or do something else and they're calling | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
that a strike for repeal. It is no such thing and the media coverage of | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
this is just typical of everything abortion campaigners do in this | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
country is covered enthusiastically and eager by by the media here and | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
abroad. They don't reflect the reality of the situation. This is | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
not a strike for repeal because the organisers understand they wouldn't | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
get anybody to come out on strike. Are you saying there is no demand | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
for an amending of the abortion laws in your country? In the case of a | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
woman what has been raped and becomes pregnant, in the case of | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
somebody who is the victim of incest and becomes pregnant. It would be | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
illegal to have an abortion in both those circumstances? Well, I think | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
it is very interesting when you look at the polls, Victoria and they are | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
bad news for the people who are campaigning to repeal the right to | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
life of unborn children because what we're seeing is that despite the | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
enormous amount of money that's come in from abroad for the abortion | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
campaign in Ireland and despite the media support the polls show that | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
support for repealing the eighth amendment has actually fallen and I | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
understand that there are circumstances that are very | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
difficult, and everybody feels for women who are pregnant in these | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
difficult circumstances, but ma the majority of Irish people see is | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
there is always a better answer than abortion. Abortion kills a bye-by. | :44:55. | :45:05. | |
Baby, it hurts a woman. We could do better than reverting to abortion. | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
Why do you believe it is right to force a woman to have a baby, a baby | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
that is conceived because the woman has been raped? | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
This is a very difficult situation, nobody wants to become pregnant | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
after being raped, I understand that. Why is it OK to force women to | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
carry it out? I am answering your question. I am not trying to force | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
anybody. The legislation does. If you would let me finish, Victoria, I | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
am trying to ensure women's support -- received the support they need. | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
Up to 80% of women in any given year who become pregnant because of rape | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
do not look to have an abortion and women have said what they need in | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
these circumstances is long-term support and care. Sorry, can I just | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
finished? They also acknowledge one reason they do not look for an | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
abortion is they see their baby as an innocent party as well, so we | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
need to protect and love them both rather than looking to kill a child | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
is a solution to a crisis in pregnancy. How do you respond to | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
that? I did not think we would be talking about fake news, anyway. The | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
strike today is symbolic and follows symbolic strikes around the world, | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
we have as people to take an annual leave day which people have, | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
thousands of students and parents have organised. We have over 50 | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
regional groups in Ireland and the world, from Aberdeen to Argentina so | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
that thousands taking part today, so not sure what the significance of | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
the point about the strike was, it is a social strike. We would not as | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
people to work -- into their workplaces because that is not an | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
industrial dispute. But there is a huge amount of support. In terms of | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
the comments about rape and incest, I don't feel like that and so was | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
sufficient. 4,000 women a year travel from Ireland to the UK to | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
access abortion, that is 12 women a day. I don't think she has the right | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
to speak on behalf of women and what they choose to do because women are | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
already making this choice, Irish abortions happen, women who live | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
here travel to the UK and thousands more get abortion help. These | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
abortions already happen and we need to support women's rights to choose | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
and make sure the abortions are safe and accessible because they are | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
already happening. A couple of points to go back on, Ireland's | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
abortion rate in contract to Britain is very low and has been falling for | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
the last 11 years. One in every five babies in Britain is aborted before | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
birth and in Ireland, that is one in every 20. If we adopted the British | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
model of abortion, we would see an increase of 10,000 abortions every | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
year and I know from going door and my organisation is doing a massive | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
national canvass on this issue and most reasonable people would tell | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
you they don't want more abortion, in my view, any decent person should | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
not want more abortions to take place. They say this precisely | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
because they recognise that our two people involved in any pregnancy and | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
they want a model created where we look after both mother and baby. | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
People never seem to grasp this reality and they do not recognise | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
the humanity of the baby, and science and medicine says that | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
cannot be denied. That our two human beings involved in every pregnancy | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
and if we want to be progressive and compassionate, and I believe this | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
country does, we need to look at solutions to care for both mother | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
and baby instead of all the same, let's kill the child. | :48:51. | :48:51. | |
Thank you, both. Today's the day where the man | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
in charge of Government finances - the Chancellor, Philip Hammond - | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
updates us all on the state of the economy, the UK | :48:59. | :49:00. | |
Government's spending plans, The Chancellor's decisions | :49:01. | :49:02. | |
will affect all of us. Norman is in Westminster. A grey day | :49:03. | :49:14. | |
in Westminster and that is possibly appropriate as it might be a great | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
Budget. You normally get a big drum roll and promises of all sorts of | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
policies and announcements, quite the reverse this time. The attitude | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
is almost, move along, please, nothing is happening here. The | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
reason, the Chancellor believes there is no SPAM money around. That | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
comment? Let's discuss that with Labour MP Wes Streeting and former | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
Chief Whip Mark Harper. It is a choice the Chancellor is making, he | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
could find the money for public services struggling, through taxes, | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
borrowing, taxes, but he does not want to. The Chancellor made it | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
clear early in the week that although the economic news may be | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
reasonably upbeat, we are still running a deficit. He does not have | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
suddenly spare --. He may have the ability to borrow more money but as | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
he said, because your credit card limit has increased, you do not have | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
the run up more debt, that is how we got into the public finance mess. We | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
have been borrowing for years and we face a crisis now in social care, so | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
why does he not step in? The Government already has made | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
available more money for social care, both directly and enabling | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
councils to increase the social care precept part of the council tax, but | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
as he pointed out, some local authorities deal with social care | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
really well and do not have severe problems, others not so well. Part | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
of it is about money and part of its spending money most effectively. The | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
Labour response seems to be to keep borrowing and borrowing. That is our | :50:49. | :50:55. | |
message today, there are areas the Government needs to invest in | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
property tree care because per head spending in the NHS is going down in | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
coming years although pressures are going up because of the ageing | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
population, and schools in my constituency face Budget cuts. | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
Budget is determined the priorities of the Government and by any | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
measure, people across the country... Spending in real terms on | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
health and education are going down when they should be priorities. | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
Maybe the Chancellor is being canny, Brexit is down the road and we don't | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
know what it will be like when we leave and the impact on the economy | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
so maybe he is playing it cautious and keeping money back. Some of the | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
cuts he is making now, particularly around Health and Social Care Act, | :51:42. | :51:44. | |
will have longer term impacts the cost is more. You are right to talk | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
about the looming backdrop which is Europe. Just last week, the former | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
Conservative Prime Minister John Major argued the government has set | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
us on a course with a different economic model, so we can no longer | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
afford public service the way we could, and even George Osborne said | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
the House of Commons the comment has chosen not to make the economy the | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
priority. If I was Philip Hammond against a structural weakness in the | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
economy, pressure on finances, and Brexit, and would be very worried. | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
Is the reason public services do not get money because of fears of what | :52:17. | :52:24. | |
Brexit means? No, we have protected spending on the health service and | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
schools in real terms, so we are investing for the future. I am very | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
pleased the Chancellor is cautious and the public want a Finance | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
Minister who is cautious and careful with their money. Thanks very much. | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
I am seriously concerned for the well-being of the White Rabbit | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
because it looks like this is the first Budget in a long time when we | :52:43. | :52:44. | |
don't see any! Thank you very much. | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
The Royal College of Midwives is calling for more midwives to be | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
trained to specialise in bereavement as, at the moment, there is no | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
mandatory training for maternity staff to deal with the issue and no | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
That's despite around 15 babies dying before, | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
during or soon after birth every day in England and Wales. | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
And in the UK in 2015, one in every 227 births was a stillbirth. | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
We can speak now to Laura Wyatt who, last night, was named | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
She's been a midwife for 16 years and was nominated by Jodie Vaughan, | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
whose first son died whilst she was in labour in 2015. | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
Laura went on to provide antenatal care during Jodie's very | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
Jodie is in Cardiff now with her eight-month-old, Henry. Hello, thank | :53:25. | :53:38. | |
you for coming on. Jodie, how did Laura help you? She helped immensely | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
as a family going through such an awful time. She helped with very | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
small tasks, two massive things that we could never have done it by | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
ourselves. From the funeral arrangements to supporting, | :53:55. | :54:02. | |
supporting and chasing nationals and helping others and being there for | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
us and laughing with those and crying with ours. And just being her | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
caring self, really. Without her, but would not have had my necklace | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
with my baby's fingerprint, Archie's fingerprint. So she has just been | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
immense and she helped us through a pregnancy with Henry and hopefully | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
for future pregnancies as well. Any time I was worried all scared or | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
anxious, about anything that would happen in pregnancy with Henry, she | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
helped me and got me a scan as soon as was possible. Let me bring in | :54:37. | :54:44. | |
Laura. From what Jodie has described, it is a practical side of | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
things, it is very much the emotional side of things. Yes, | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
absolutely, and doing things at the pace of the parent, not to overwhelm | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
them. They are going to a process of immense grief. So it is just | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
sometimes a case of going, going three things time and time again | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
will stop at their own pace. And they need, then needs for the | :55:09. | :55:16. | |
funeral arrangements. Getting the fingerprints for Jodie's necklace. | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
Little things. That was Jodie's idea, but I did it. Just those | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
little practical things that you want to make it a bit easier for the | :55:26. | :55:33. | |
parents during their immense grief. Have you had that specialist | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
training? I have been very proactive myself with regards to going on | :55:38. | :55:44. | |
bereavement training courses. I have done counselling courses, so it is | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
something I have been very proactive in, the Royal College of Midwives | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
has a learning package, to develop by role, so I have been very | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
proactive with regards to bereavement care and I am very much | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
involved in the maternity network in Wales for the bereavement subgroup | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
and I am very lucky that I have got a head of midwifery and senior | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
management colleagues that really support my role. What does this | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
would mean to you and the facts Jodie nominated you? To win the | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
regional was absolutely amazing, but to win overall! Still in a bit of | :56:21. | :56:29. | |
shock, I think. For Jodie to even explore, and think that is what, it | :56:30. | :56:38. | |
was that gut feeling. Yes, Jodie felt that I have given her the care | :56:39. | :56:46. | |
that she wanted. Bless them. Parents, it is unbelievable. And | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
well done to the other nominees as well, I think we all do a great job. | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
Thank you very much. Thank you so much for going into our studio in | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
Cardiff and thank you to Henry. Thank you. So many comments from you | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
about James, the 21-year-old on our programme before ten o'clock, | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
talking about his mental health issues after he lost his father who | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
took his own life and James's 15th birthday. James told us how when he | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
was sectioned in a psychiatric unit, one of the occupational therapist | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
said, do you want to play football? You said, O K. | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
And football has saved his life. Kevin says, I am a 60-year-old man | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
with cancer and clinical depression, I have a 24-year-old son. I have | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
felt less like living and have thoughts of ending my life. It must | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
have been fake I turned on to watch games this morning. My son is as | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
wonderful as James and to put him through what James has gone through | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
and is going through is something I can no longer contemplate after | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
watching James. Thank you, James, you have to stick standard my life | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
and saved damaging my son's, good luck. | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
-- you have just saved my life. Debbie says, I have never contacted | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
a TV programme, I am moved to conduct you because of the young man | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
James. I suffered from psychosis when I was 15 in the 1980s. I still | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
feel like a misfit, watching and listening to James has inspired me | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
to do something else. With my life. James can go on national TV to bare | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
his soul, so I can do this as well. He is inspirational and I am | :58:26. | :58:27. | |
grateful to him. Thank you so much for getting in | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
touch. Joanna is here tomorrow from nine a.m., have a good day. | :58:33. | :58:34. | |
The thing that's so clear is that it's 100% honest. | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
We're right in the middle of the action. | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
The remarkable story of British photography. | :58:42. | :58:46. |