14/03/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

This morning: How do firearms officers make split second

decisions on when to shoot a dangerous suspect?

In the worst case scenario you could end up in a situation

That's why it all comes down to decision-making,

that's why that's so crucial and I think you've got

to have confidence in your own ability to do that.

If you don't, then you shouldn't be here.

We've had exclusive access to a firearms training

academy in Cheshire following police recruits.

Watch the full report in the next few minutes.

Also on the programme, Theresa May has won her battle

in parliament on Brexit, but now she's got potential Scottish

We'll get reaction from a group of voters from right across the UK.

Hello, everybody, welcome back to my channel. I am joined by my favourite

present in the world. If I get this, you owe me a fiver.

As the popularity of vlogging soars we'll hear how organisers of a club

teaching kids how to be a successful vlogger say they've been blown away

Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

Throughout the morning the latest news and developing stories.

A little later in the programme we'll bring

with the food writer and blogger Jack Monroe who's just won a libel

case against Mail online columnist Katie Hopkins.

Monroe says the case led to her experiencing a "complete

Hear that full interview after 10 this morning.

Our top story today: The bill giving the Government the power to trigger

the formal process of leaving the European Union,

has cleared its final hurdle in Parliament,

Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to hold a second

referendum on Scottish independence, before the process

Will this call for a second independence referendum in Scotland

mess up Theresa May's timetable when it comes to the Brexit negotiations?

It is certainly a headache and for that reason the overwhelming view is

Theresa May were absolutely not want to consider a Scottish independence

referendum while she is having to grapple with Brexit. She does not

want to be fighting on two France at the same time, it would be

politically and extraordinarily difficult feat to pull off. The

expectation is any final decision on Scottish independence and a

referendum may be put off until safely after the Brexit negotiations

are completed and the UK has left the EU. As for Brexit itself,

Theresa May received a significant boost last night by the fact that

Parliament passed really without much opposition her bill triggering

the start of the process. I counted only nine Tory MPs actually

rebelling last night. The House of Lords pretty much through in the

towel straightaway, so where we are, despite all the threats of endless

amendments and getting bogged down in the House of Lords, Theresa May

has emerged with her bill not amended and to her timetable.

Frankly she conceded remarkably little beyond the verbal assurance

there will be a vote in two years' time. On the independence referendum

Theresa May will have to give permission for that to happen in

Scotland, otherwise it will really annoy people. Well, the bottom line

is Theresa May has control of the process. In other words, she is the

one who will decide if and when a Scottish independence referendum

takes place. The clear signals we are getting at Westminster is the

government want to play this long, they want to take the steam out of

Nicola Sturgeon's campaign and they want to see the momentum for

Scottish independence slow up. Yes, absolutely not having any referendum

before Brexit, but even after Brexit the government may seek to push it

down the line. There have been some suggestions that may be the

government could say, let's see if the SNP can win another mandate for

an independence referendum in the Scottish Parliamentary elections in

2021. The thinking is all the time they wanted take some of the head of

steam out of Nicola Sturgeon's campaign and slow down the rush and

demand for a second referendum. We will talk to a group of voters right

across the UK in the next hour or so and your views are very welcome.

Joanna is in the BBC newsroom with a summary

A former prison employee, who was convicted of smuggling

phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work.

The man, who worked at Stocken jail in Rutland, made the claim

in a documentary about prison corruption for BBC Radio Four.

The Ministry of Justice said the vast majority of prison staff

And we'll have more on that story at 10.45.

One crew member has been found after an Irish Coast Guard

helicopter with four on board went missing off

Those on board lost contact at about 1AM on this morning.

A search is under way about six miles to the west

The aircraft was providing cover for another coastguard helicopter

Turkey has severed all high-level contacts with the Dutch government

in an escalation of an ongoing row between the two countries.

Turkey has also told the Dutch ambassador to Ankara that he can't

It comes after Turkish ministers were banned

from speaking at Dutch rallies, organised in Rotterdam to gain

support for President Erdogan in a referendum next month.

Children become less active at an earlier age

than previously thought, according to new research.

It was widely believed that physical exercise started

But a study, carried out over eight years in the north-east of England,

showed that activity levels begin to drop among seven year olds,

Children are supposed to be active for an hour every day,

but most youngsters don't get enough exercise, and this study suggests

More than 400 children from Gateshead wore an activity

Their exercise levels were measured at the ages

Physical activity dropped off from the age of seven

The orthodox view is that this adolescent decline is not only

something which happens at adolescence, so it

coincides with puberty or with transition to high school,

but also it is something that particularly affects girls.

And our study shows that that is clearly not the case.

I think what that means in terms of public health programmes

is programmes and policies and practices all have

to focus much earlier, probably around about the time

Too much time spent looking at screens and sitting down

is storing up health problems for the future, according

It's campaigning to try and change the fact that one in five children

Smart phones and fitness trackers are being targeted by criminals

to hold people to ransom over personal data, according

The joint report from The National Crime Agency

and the new National Cyber Security Centre says digital crime

is becoming more aggressive, with a growing risk to business.

A new after school vlogging club says it's been "blown away"

by demand for its classes after it opened last month.

It says its sessions for the under 11 is has been very popular.

But the academy near Exeter says it's not all about creating

the next YouTube star, but encouraging creativity,

And we'll be finding out more about those classes

In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection against

unfair treatment, but a report by a number of charities claims the

reforms have only had minimal impact. The government intends to

publish a review of how it is working, but aggressive or action is

working, but aggressive or action is not acceptable.

The result of a ballot on whether to admit women as members

of the world's oldest golf club will be announced later this morning.

It's the second vote on the issue at Muirfield in East Lothian.

Motions require two-thirds of its eligible voters to back the move.

Only 64% backed the move at the last vote.

A state of emergency has been declared in New York as the city

Blizzard conditions are expected across the north-east United States,

with forecasters predicting over half a metre of snow in some areas.

The weather conditions have caused the first meeting

between President Trump and the German Chancellor Angela

The mayor of New York has called on people to stay indoors.

Stay off the streets for your own good, for your own safety,

but to help the sanitation department keep the streets clear.

If you must go out, do so for as limited

If you need to travel, use mass transit if at all possible,

but the best thing to do is stay in if you can stay in.

There are also some incredible sites. This is on the shores of Lake

on Taree. After a weekend of freezing wind and high waves this is

what one has looked like. It is a summer has, so it should have thawed

out before their next holiday. Imagine owning a summer house. We

have got a film for you in the next few minutes which is instructive. It

is incredible access to young police recruits going through firearms

training. Our home affairs correspondent has had access over a

period of months. You watch that in the next few minutes. Anthony on

Facebook says many believe we have the best police force in the world

and they do not need to be armed. Personally I believe we have the

right ratio of armed and unarmed officers in this country. Please get

in touch with us. Sport now with John and we are talking about

women's football because the FA have announced plans to increase

participation in the women's game. They have made quite a statement.

They have said they have let the women's game down following the way

in which it was marginalised in the early part of the last century and

they want to try and double the numbers of women and girls playing

the game by 2020, so they have announced a strategy aimed at

improving coaching and improving pathways for younger players to make

it through to the top, as well as trying to improve the facilities and

coaching as well. Let's hear from the chief executive of the FA. One

of the jobs of the FA is to promote football in the country, whether

small sided or 11 sided. It is such a great spot for everyone and

frankly half the population, female, have not had as much attention as

they might. That has changed in recent years, but today is about

saying, let's be ambitious, let's doubled the number of girls who are

playing and make it a mainstream sport. It is hoped that will see a

huge improvement in the number of girls and women playing again. Why

has the women's game be so overshadowed by the men's? In the

early part of the last century, certainly during the First World

War, the women's game was popular. They sold out grounds and there was

a huge amount of interest. But they FA made the decision in 1921 to ban

the playing of women's games at all the grounds for 20 years which

completely stunted the game. That changed in the 1960s with the

women's FA and the women's FA Cup and that boosted the numbers of

women playing once again. Then we saw the it was the fastest growing

sport in 2005 and we saw the emergence of the women's super

league which was launched in 2011. It is hoped now with this

implementation of the new plan it would see that addressed and the

game continuing to grow once again. What with the FA be expecting to

come out of this? They would like to see the women's team win the World

Cup by 2023. That is a possibility. Their manager says they could win a

major tournament earlier than that and they are targeting the European

Championships this year. They also want to host a major tournament.

That would see an interest within the game and boost participation.

The women's team are already exceeding the men's team. They

finished third in the World Cup in 2015. The results are certainly

there and it is expected they will win a World Cup or a major

tournament. It has been interesting to know that Gareth Southgate, the

manager of the England men's national team has been working

alongside the manager of the women's team. It is felt the progress in the

women's game is exceeding the men's and this is recognition for that.

As the national debate continues over whether police officers should

be more routinely armed, we've had exclusive access

to a firearms training centre in Cheshire, where officers

It's an intensive three-month course with many officers

By the end of the year, out of a total of 130,000 police

officers in England and Wales, around 7,500 are firearms officers,

a record number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism.

Over the next 15 minutes we'll show you the reality of what it's

like to undergo training, how officers are taught

to make split-second life-or-death decisions,

and later in the programme we'll hear from those who worry we already

The report contains realistic training exercises featuring hostage

scenarios, and you will hear repeated sound of gun shots.

If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away

We wanted to bring you this report to try and give

an insight into the kind of training officers undergo.

The UK will soon have more armed police than ever before, but will

Over three months, we've witnessed recruits

Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel.

Tested to see if they were capable of carrying a lethal weapon,

mentally and physically ready to walk into danger.

Have these recruits got what it takes...

..to graduate from the firearms training

I am the exercise conducting officer for this training event and

will be in charge of training site safety.

All students, observers and instructors must obey

my instructions irrespective of rank or role.

On hearing a long whistle blast or the word of command, "stop,

stop, stop" all students will stop what they're doing

In case of an incident resulting in injury all

activities will cease immediately and all weapons will be made safe.

All students will wear appropriate PPE commensurate with the training.

ARV kit, ear and eye protection, forced issue boots and helmets.

All loading and unloading of weapons will take place in the

Weapon safety rules must be complied with.

There are no officer down drills for today's

training, so any officer down will be treated as a genuine injury.

Is anyone suffering from the effects of

alcohol, taken any medication or have any injury or problem that may

It's week five of training at Cheshire Constabulary's firearms

Recruits have learned how to handle a gun,

now they need to learn when and where to use it.

All they have to do is approach each room in this

abandoned school and prove they can see the imaginary bad guys without

It's just a straightforward search, has anybody

Each individual officer has a role and

they actually have a role to perform when they are at the door.

So what we are trying to get them to do is

The roles are so fluent, so they can form up on one

door, deal with that specific threat area, OK,

but when they come out and

they form up at the next threat, they will be in a completely

As the day progresses, the instructors place

cardboard cutout suspects around the school.

And how to apprehend anyone left standing.

No need for you to be pointing your gun here

now is there, this is

They repeat the exercises, but it's hard to remember

The recruits are under intense pressure and making

That goes to safe before it goes down, OK?

Martin, one of the trainees makes a serious error in

You know yourselves when that fire selector

should go to safe and when it should go to fire.

And it shouldn't be, Martin, obviously down there.

You went to walk, took a couple of paces

The bullet magazine clatters out of that officer's gun

Kelly's magazine fell out in the previous

Her magazine and then basically we've sort of said, check

She's replaced her magazine then she's come out and gone into

And the target she's basically been faced with is a gun

And in that circumstances, because of the

mistake back there where the magazine got dropped,

It's easily the hardest thing I've ever had to do, mentally and

But, I can't fault it, I'm really enjoying it.

It's just a lot to take in and a lot to

remember, so just exhausting, really.

I just wanted to challenge myself, wanted to do something new.

Eight, four second exposures and when the target faces,

I couldn't go away from policing now.

It is about putting your life on the line, that's what I want

to do and I get a massive sense of achievement

Sometimes I go home from here of any evening and you see

what's going on in the news and you think,

in a few months' time, if I

pass this course, that could be me going out to that job.

First on the scene, having to discharge a weapon.

My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at first, but trying to

explain to them, obviously the training we get,

the weapons that we are carrying, actually I am going

to be more protected than I am now as a regular officer out on the

OK, slight angle, purely because of the angles of the shield.

My friends, I think they all love the fact I'm doing

They call me Lara Croft and all sorts, but everyone is

Put your hands on the steering wheel.

We are two months in and 12 trainees are left.

Put the drink down, show me your hands.

Now they've got to show they can apprehend armed suspects on the

Turned the engine of using one of your hands.

This scenario is typical of a great deal of armed

Emotionally or mentally distressed suspects, who are a

How the trainees choose to respond is crucial.

They need to know when to use words rather than bullets.

Put the gun onto the floor and let's talk.

Put the gun on the floor and we'll treat you with the respect you

deserve, but put it on the floor please.

In that case, put it on the bonnet of my car and then step

Walked towards me, walked towards me.

Stop there, Sean, put your hands on your head for me.

Put your hands on your head and interlock your fingers.

OK, stay where you are, try and keep your hands on the top of

Will keep your gun safe, don't worry.

Now it's time to reset the session and

Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel.

This time the suspect is far more volatile.

If I put gun down, will you shoot me?

The officers have a split second to make a tough call.

Ellie, the officer in the car pulled the

This of course is just a simulation and the instructors are

concerned some of the team, including Ellie on thinking fast

Ellie and Matt, very slow on the call of the shotgun.

I was looking at the shotgun, it was out

Matt, you were stood looking at it, you must have been able to

Throughout the exercises, all of the trainees are

They've got to show Steve that the tactics are

We look at the vehicle, dominate the vehicle,

dominate the occupants of the vehicle.

And then we look at controlling the vehicle, driver,

Driver take the keys out of the vehicle.

And at the end of a gruelling week, Ellie and one other officer fail to

Put your hands on the window where I can see them.

You can be called to deal with anything at any time,

the only difference between a fire officer

and a normal fire officer is

And from a personal point of view, I enjoyed dealing with the most

I tried two years ago and I was unsuccessful, so I've tried to

develop since then and I've given it another go now.

I think you've got to have a very cool, level head.

But also you've got to be able to think

clearly and also think really quickly and if you can't do that

In terms of getting through the course,

new goal to be able to pick up things on a daily basis.

It's the final week and now the hardest challenge.

Any cop who's armed, must also have the skills to save a life.

The recruits are at an emergency services training

They have been training on a simulated casualty

This piece of equipment allows us to simulate injuries on patients

So they are actually connected up to computers now.

When you watch this type of equipment being used

on your students, you'll see how it actually draws them

Guys, can we get the snips out straightaway to get

While his head is off the floor, can you get me that strap

After three long months, the trainees now need

Armed police, come and open the front door.

Hostages, an armed man, it's not going to end well.

The gunman hiding in the house, shoots the first hostage.

He's being played by Dave, the instructor.

They not only have to think tactical, they've got

We are asking you to make the decision, to eliminate a threat

And then at the end of that, we are asking you to preserve life.

The average person doesn't have the ability to kill,

and then be accountable in a court of law for their actions.

The second hostage escapes and despite having shot the suspect,

the team must now try to save his life as well has his victim.

And there's one final surprise waiting inside.

Starting CPR, can someone carry on with the survey?

End ex, the call to finish the exercise.

I felt very comfortable, I could hear you shouting

commands to each other, so as a patient I can

hear you and I think, you know what, I'm in good,

They looked after me all the way to out.

The remaining ten recruits now have a nervous wait to find

I think it's reasonable that officers should be armed

because of the threat that posed against them now.

It doesn't scare me that more officers, I think

They are going in the right direction.

In the worst case scenario you could end up in a situation

Yes you could, that's why it all comes down

to your decision-making, that's why it's so crucial.

And I think you've got to have confidence in your

If you don't, then you shouldn't be here.

Up to a third of those who apply fail the training school.

This time, the final ten graduate, eight men and two women.

Today, they are all qualified to carry guns and may soon be

And after 10 we'll hear from people who think firearms officers aren't

Keen to hear your thoughts as always.

Jan says, I believe our peas need to be armed, but I would not like to

see them armed all the time. Lesley said I strongly believe the police

should be routinely armed, we have to move with the times, the UK is

violent place. This text from somebody who is anonymous, guns do

not cause problems, it is the people who carry them who are important and

the police are good about vetting their own, even better than the

army. People think carrying a gun is fun, it is not. The top brass will

not back you and the risk is high if you get it wrong. The officers who

do it need a medal and support. They do it because we need it. This is a

tweet from Jamie. I am reassured that if I get taken hostage, the

magazine will fall out of the gun. All that is needed now is the Naked

More discussion to come on that after ten.

Drugs are fuelling violence in prisons across the country.

We'll be hearing how corruption among prison staff

A school is blown away by demand for its new after

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request to

hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before the process of

Brexit is complete. Scotland's First Minister announced she would seek

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year and the

spring of 2019. The power to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in

Parliament and will become law. The House of Lords voted in favour of

A former prison employee, who was convicted of smuggling

phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work.

in Rutland, made the claim in a documentary about prison

The Ministry of Justice said the vast majority of prison staff

One crew member has been found after an Irish Coast Guard

helicopter with four on board went missing off

Those on board lost contact at about 1AM on this morning.

A search is under way about six miles to the west

The aircraft was providing cover for another coastguard helicopter

Charities say they are continuing to see widespread problems with the

behaviour of bailiffs towards vulnerable people in difficulty

despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection

against unfair treatment, but there are claims the reforms have only had

minimal impact. The government says aggressive enforcement action is not

acceptable. A state of emergency has been declared in New York as the

city faces a major snowstorm. Blizzard conditions are expected

across the North East with forecasters expecting half a metre

of snow in some areas. The weather conditions have caused the first

meeting between President Donald Trump and Angela Merkel to be

postponed. There are some incredible sights as well, though, such as this

house in upstate New York which has been completely encased in ice. It

is on the shores of Lake Ontario and after a week of freezing winds and

eyes this is what it looks like. It is used as a summer house, so it

will thaw out before then! News just in, the European Union's top court

has ruled that employers may ban staff from wearing visible religious

symbols at work. It was a joint judgment in the cases of two women

in France and Belgium who were sacked for refusing to remove their

headscarves. An internal company rule prohibiting the wearing of any

religious sign was not discriminatory. This is just in as

well. It is to do with the Bank of England Deputy Governor, Charlotte

Hogg. The Treasury Select Committee have just said that her professional

competence falls short of the standard required to fulfil her role

as Bank of England Deputy Governor. We will bring you more on that and

the reasons behind that in the next half an hour.

Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to reach the semifinals of

the FA Cup. There was a sending off for Parreira for a second yellow

card and then there was a great goal to win it. A little bit of afters as

well between the two managers. Jose Mourinho received plenty of

criticism from the fans on the touchline. The managers had to be

separated. The double Olympic gold medallist join arousal as announced

her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles and nobody will

forget the gold medals she won in London, 2012 and in Rio in the

summer. Women are to be admitted to Muirfield golf club, we will get the

result of a second ballot and it is likely to be a yes vote which means

the club could host the open championship. Birmingham and

Liverpool have expressed an interest in staging the Commonwealth Games in

2022. They were supposed to be held in Durban, but financial

difficulties that means the games Federation is looking for a new host

city. It could be their loss, but our game. We'll Theresa May reject

completely Nicola Sturgeon's request to hold a second referendum on

Scottish independence before the process of Brexit is complete?

The Prime Minister says it would be divisive and she's accused

Scotland's First Minister of playing political games.

It comes as the bill giving the Westminster government the power

to trigger Brexit has cleared its final hurdle

in parliament and will now become law, meaning the infamous Article 50

could be triggered in the coming days and weeks.

The British people have spoken and the answer is, we're out.

The UK is about to take its next big step towards Brexit.

This will happen when Prime Minister Theresa May triggers Article 50,

which means she will start the formal process of the UK

Negotiations with the EU will begin shortly after.

Nope, nada, nothing will change today, tomorrow next

The UK will remain a member of the EU for up to two years

EU laws and rules, including the freedom

Very long and very complex negotiations will take place

Think of it like an ongoing divorce case where the two sides

will discuss rights for Brits living abroad, cross-border security

The UK is currently in the European single market, a system designed

to help businesses by removing barriers to trade.

Theresa May however, wants to exit this system.

She says being part of it would mean the UK could not

Instead, she wants to enter what's known as a customs union

with the EU, a different kind of trade agreement.

There's a two-year limit for negotiations to be completed,

although this can be extended, but only if all other EU

If no agreement is reached in time, the UK will

According to Lord Kerr, the man who wrote Article 50, yes it could.

One thing we do know, it's all going to take a very long

time until the divorce officially happens.

We are going to talk about all those issues in a moment. We have breaking

news about the Ukip owner Aaron Banks. He said he had been suspended

from Ukip. He tweets, I understand why my membership has been

suspended. Interesting times. That is possibly an understatement. More

reaction to come on that no doubt. We are going to take a snapshot of

use from right around the UK. Four people supporting Brexit

are Beverly Stein, a Ukip voter. Jack Lewy, a politics student

who initially wanted to remain And Euan Blockley who is pro-leave

and anti-Scottish independence. Four people who are worried

about leaving the UK are Asma Butt, a recent graduate, Seyi Awikodo,

who works in education, Joanna Zawadkza who is originally

from Poland and is worried about her future, and Stefanie Muir,

who voted remain and will vote Also with us is Lord Nigel Lawson,

a former Conservative Chancellor Can Theresa May pull both these

negotiations of successfully? I hope everything will work out well and it

probably will, but one thing at a time. Theresa May is right, let's

get Brexit has done and dusted and then we will face the issue of

another Scottish independence referendum, which, incidentally, in

the opinion polls show the great majority that the Scottish people do

not want. I have not introduced you! Also with us is Lord Nigel Lawson,

a former Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer who supports

leaving the European Union, and James McGrory, co-Executive

Director of Open Britain Do you think she is thinking she has

to go but the referendum otherwise it will annoy people in Scotland? It

might well be unwise to say no, but what is certainly crazy would be to

get the two things mixed up together. It is one thing at a time.

It is only three years, less than three years, since we had the last

referendum. Let's get Brexit sorted out as well as we can, have it done

and dusted and then we will address the Scottish issue. Stefanie, what

do you think of that? Separate exit and then possibly have an

independence referendum? Time is a privilege and it is a privilege we

do not have in Scotland. The fact we are not getting invited into the

discussions on Brexit is is a very democratic problem. Independence is

probably a last resort. This is a retaliation to being cut out. I do

not think there is enough time to wait. If there was an interest in

preserving the union, it would have been done so earlier instead of

being pushed to the limit. There is not enough time to wait. Let's say

there is another second referendum on independence, how would voters in

Scotland be able to compare Brexit deal with an independent future if

the deal was not completed? That is the problem with a lot of things up

in the air at the moment. We do not have a lot of certainty so we are

trying to find our feet in a place that does not have much of a

foundation. I am not sure how that would work out or how the public

would respond, but it is the only way to deal with the fact that

Scotland is not getting much of a voice at all at the moment. Is that

right? Of course it is not right, let's be completely honest here. The

devolved administrations have had a voice in the negotiations. Nicola

Sturgeon has been down to Downing Street to speak to Theresa May, said

the idea there has not been any conversation is preposterous. But

what is the most important thing in Scotland right now is the idea that

the Scottish people, as Lord Lawson said recently, the fact that there

is not an appetite for a second independence referendum and the idea

we will push Scotland is angering more Scots. I am bringing you

breaking news to do with the Deputy Governor of the Bank of England. She

has just resigned. Her name is Charlotte Hogg. She has only

recently been appointed to this role. She has just resigned from her

post. She was the deputy governor of the Bank of England. The Treasury

Select Committee has said that her professional competence falls short

of the standards required to fulfil that role. It comes a few weeks

after she apologised to the Treasury Select Committee for not formally

disclosing that her brother worked at Barclays and was the Barclays

group strategy director would could conflict with her work on a

particular committee. She had not declared a family link on a number

of occasions since joining the bank in 2013. The deputy governor of the

Bank of England has resigned in the last few seconds after being

criticised by the Treasury Select Committee for not revealing that her

brother worked at Barclays which could have been a conflict of

interest. The chairman of the committee was my

advisor and he and his committee have reached this conclusion and I

believe it was the right one. Following recent events, Charlotte

had offered her resignation. Mark Carney said he deeply regrets that

she has chosen to resign. You are businessmen, wanted to remain in the

EU. What do you think about the next couple of years? I would have

preferred certainty but we've never had it whether we were in the EU or

not. That is not necessarily the fault. We have to deal with what

we've got and be optimistic. There is going to be so much uncertainty.

We always have lived in uncertain times. We are just going to have an

optimistic attitude. Jude she stop this? Now because it is the end of

the union, if it is not then it will be another three years after that.

If you want the end of the union grant a referendum. Wasn't it

foreseen by David Cameron when he offered a referendum on weaving the

EU? He acknowledged it would put pressure on the United Kingdom. I

think he regrets a couple of referenda that he granted. He did

that to grab power. He thought he would win it comfortably. I think

Ukip grew from the ground up. It was a consensus across the country. We

are voicing opinions and dissatisfaction, we felt we were

being sidelined by the EU rules. I think you're being quite complacent

in saying that it is a grassroots movement. They have a millionaire

donor and they grew out of the fact that they were in opposition to the

Labour Party which was failing in its heartland. It is not so much a

grassroots movement, more that it came as a stand against the Tory

party. Let's not go into the history of Ukip but with the future. He says

you should not grant a second referendum. Is he right? We've just

heard from Lord Lawson that the Scottish don't want the referendum.

We don't need to give it at all then. Let's play safe and keep the

union intact. You are misjudging the entire situation. Scotland is being

marginalised, we are constantly being told that if you're living

here then your fault will mean nothing in a general election. Once

again we had an election where it was a referendum, once again the

vote was ignored. I'd feel sorry if the Scots feel like that but I want

to preserve the union. Is the union worth preserving when it has not got

democratic values instilled in it? When you have a nation that does not

get acknowledged, you cannot just ignore these people because you

don't agree with them. You sound like you are enslaved. I've been

there, it's not that bad. It will always be seen as a puppet

parliament in Westminster. We want to preserve the union. The

announcement is a product of the government's chosen course which is

to pursue the hardest possible Brexit, pull us out of the single

market and Customs union. It has gone down very badly in Scotland.

She has been invited to meetings but had no impact in a country that has

voted overwhelmingly to remain. We were assured that there is no threat

and that was palpably untrue. This is nonsense about a hard Brexit.

Brexit means Brexit, as Theresa May said. But that means nothing. The

fact is the Scottish people voted to have a referendum in 2014 and very

decisively to remain within the union. The union has been hugely

successful. This is what the majority of Scots put it far things

have changed dramatically. They haven't! That is a stronger reason

to remain! They thought they would be financing independence with oil

revenues. The fact of the matter is the SNP only exists to promote the

independence agenda and they will use any agenda. Oil has been

dropping for quite a while. America has started exporting oil, ignoring

Opec. That forced the price down. Under Barack Obama, dear I see it.

It has been steadily going down anyway so that clearly indicates

because they had too much shale gas they had to find another way of

maximising the revenue. We have not heard from Joanna, a Polish citizen.

How do you feel? There was something I wanted to mention about the

independence referendum in 2014 and how people voted. If I remember

correctly, at every event before the referendum, EU nationals were told

the only way for Scotland to stay in the European Union would be to vote

against independence. A couple of years later, we are where we are. I

have to say at least yesterday we have been guaranteed a choice, as

opposed to being told what we are getting. How I feel now, like I am a

patient on an operating table with no doctor at my side. I am in pain

and Scott is there holding my hand saying everything is going to be OK.

Thank you so much, we could talk much longer. Thank you for coming on

the programme. We will bring you an exclusive interview with Jack Munro

who has won a libel battle with Katie Hopkins. More on the breaking

story Charlotte Hogg said she had breached the bank rules by not

declaring that her... This was seen as a

breach of the rules. It was not the cleared as part of her appointment.

The Treasury Select Committee overseas appointments to the

monetary policy committee looked again at this evidence and the

question was why they had not been transparent in that. They said the

mistakes were significant but not deliberate. The fact she was going

to be controlling that relationship between the banks of England and the

banks it controls, they said it made her position untenable, they did not

back her promotion to be deputy governor and she announced that she

was resigning because of the controversy around her role. It was

a mistake she admitted to. I think it raises significant questions for

the Bank of England governor. He was somebody talked about as the first

possible female Governor of the Bank of England. Mark Carney gave her a

verbal warning and considered the issue closed but the politicians in

the Treasury Select Committee decided that was not enough, that

her appointment should be rescinded. They will make a decision to get rid

of her, and she has fallen on her sword. We've got her resignation

letter. I'm going to read some of it. As I have said, I'm very sorry

for the mistake I have made. It was an honest mistake. I fully accept it

was a mistake made worse by the fact that my involvement in drafting the

policy made it incumbent on me to get all my own declaration is

absolutely right. In the course of a long hearing I unintentionally

misheard as to whether I filed. I would like to apologise for that and

make clear my responsibility for those errors. I have not shared

confidential information or misused it in anyway. I recognise that being

sorry is not enough. We should not merely but exceed the standards we

are expecting of others. She offered the governor her resignation last

week and today has become clear that she should insist, she says. They

may be thought they could tough it out, that she could remain in the

bank. She been hugely praised for bringing it more diversely. Being a

senior woman was very important. The point made, if you are the rule

maker and break those rules, it becomes untenable. The issue would

have been for her, for the first time one of the commercial banks

grows and break the rules. She broke the rules but was allowed to stay.

Word processors transparent? This breach of the rules seems have

lasted for about four years and they've asked questions about the

transparency of the Bank of England. It was for her to tell the Treasury

Select Committee rather than it being part of the bank's process.

The fact that it lasted so long with no knowledge about that, they wonder

about that. The bank has announced that there will be new rules put in

place. We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. First,

the weather. This morning we have a fairly mild start to the day and

also a lot of cloud around. Temperatures today and any breaks in

the cloud could well hit 19 Celsius. At the same time, we've got deals,

severe gales in the far north of Scotland. -- wind. You can see from

looking at these pictures, the cold front is heading south, more cloud

and patchy rain. After a mild start across Scotland and Northern Ireland

you will find the temperatures are dropping a touch. Through the cause

of this morning we continue with this weather front, producing cloud.

Some hill fog and coastal fog around the coast of Wales. The cloud will

break and we will see sunshine. Severe gusts coupled with showers.

Quite windy day across Scotland but for many of us there will be

showers. We're looking at conditions across Northern Ireland. But

remember, England and Wales seeing cloud. We could see up to 19 but in

the cloud it is more likely 13, 14. The Cheltenham Festival, there will

be bright weather and sunny skies. The weather front makes it down into

the South and pivots. The whole lot will push eastward and patchy rain

and called for a total of her contract with a mild but we had to

do. We will see the weather front in the West fishing steadily eastward.

Taking the cloud and the market conditions with it. Rather like

today, where you see breaks in the cloak the temperatures will get up

to 16, 17 Celsius. When we don't have them we are looking at around

13, 15. On Thursday, this cold front comes our way. The weather will come

in from the Atlantic. This band of rain will slowly slip southwards and

you will find it turning colder. We start off with a dry and bright

note. Temperatures will not be too bad in the South.

Hello it's Tuesday, ten o clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

The deputy governor of the Bank of England resigns.

Should we be seeing more armed police officers on our streets?

We'll be hearing about firearms officers' rigorous training.

Sometimes I go home from here of an evening and you see

what is going on in the news and you just think, in a few months,

if I pass this course, that could be me going out to that

job, first on scene, having to discharge a weapon.

We will hear from critics who think too many officers are already armed.

The blogger and writer Jack Monroe talks exclusively this programme,

about what it was like to win a libel case against

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

The Bank of England's newly appointed deputy governor has

resigned after failing to reveal her brother holds a senior role at

Barclays Bank. MPs said Charlotte Hogg's professional competence falls

short of the professional competence standard required to fill the role.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request

to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before

Scotland's First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year

It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power

to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament

The House of Lords voted in favour of the legislation

without reinstating amendments which were removed by the Commons.

Ukip's biggest financial backer Arron Banks has announced

that his membership of the party has been suspended but there

was confusion over his claim a Ukip spokesman said

that the millionaire's membership had lapsed earlier this year.

Mr Banks, who is a close friend of former leader Nigel Farage

and funded the Leave EU campaign in last year's Brexit referendum,

gave ?1 million to Ukip ahead of the 2015 general election.

But he has been sceptical about the leadership of Paul Nuttall

and has recently spoken of founding a new political movement to "drain

Norman, tell us what the implications are. More trouble and

strife in Ukip as if they had not had enough. But now we have Aaron

Banks saying he has been booted out of the party. He says, I understand

why my Ukip membership has been suspended, interesting times lie

ahead. People say he said that the current leadership could not knock

the skin off a rice pudding. They are still mulling it over, say UK,

and no decision has been made to boot him out. The new leader Paul

Nuttall would like to talk to him about his attitude towards Ukip. Mr

Banks threatened to stand against Douglas Carswell, the only Ukip MP

at the last election, and there is a tussle between the new Paul Nuttall

supporters and the old Nigel Farage supporters as Paul Nuttall tries to

assert his authority over the party and that is what this seems to be

about. Charities say they are continuing

to see widespread problems with the behaviour of bailiffs

towards vulnerable people in financial difficulty,

despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law

strengthened protection against unfair treatment,

but a report by a number of charities claims the reforms have

only had minimal impact. The Government intends

to publish a review of how the measures are working,

but says aggressive enforcement That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us throughout

the morning. This is an e-mail. I was a police firearms officer for

ten years and the cause was the most intense and stressful cause I have

ever completed. The public can be reassured the police officers

receive the best training in the world without doubt. Training is

ongoing on a monthly basis. It is vital the police continue to carry

firearms for the protection of the public. Police need confidence and

they are backed and supported by their fours in the event an officer

discharge of the public. Please need confident they are backed and

supported by their fours in the event an officer discharges their

weapon. Double Olympic gold medallist John

arousal has announced her retirement from international cycling. She said

she had achieved everything she ever wanted, including five world titles

and four European titles, a Commonwealth gold medal and two

Olympic gold medals. She will continue in cycling as a coach.

Manchester United manager Jose-Maria Newell told Chelsea fans he was

still number one after they heckled him during their FA Cup match last

night. They called him Judas. Chelsea beat Manchester United 1-0.

Chelsea had to play for almost an hour with ten men after this tackle.

He duly departed, but the goal was not a bad goal at all. Following

Jose Mourinho's sacking from Chelsea, he was given plenty of

stick. They can call me what they want. I am a professional. I defend

my club. Until the moment they have a manager that wins four Premier

League is for them, I am the number one. When that manager wins four

Premier League, I become number two, but at the moment Judas is number

one. And with women be admitted to Muirfield golf club? There is a

second ballot today and it is likely to be yes. The first vote narrowly

failed to achieve the vote needed. They were told they would no longer

be able to host the open championship. That will be

overturned if there is a positive vote today and women are admitted.

This morning, as the national debate continues over whether police

officers should be more routinely armed we've had exclusive access

to a firearms training centre in Cheshire where officers

It's an intensive three-month course with many officers

At the moment out of a total of 130,000 police officers

in England and Wales - around 7500 are firearms officers -

a record number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism.

We played you our full film earlier in the programme,

It lasts around three minutes and contains realistic training

exercises featuring hostage scenarios and repeated

If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away

These are the new recruits. Will they be up to the job? Each

individual officer has a role. They have a role to perform when they are

at the door, so we are trying to get them to memorise the roles, and the

roles are so fluent, so they can form up at one door and deal with

that specific area and when they come out and they have another

threat, they will be in a completely different position. Recruits must

prove they can handle a gun safely. Drop the gun now! They need to learn

how to search buildings and confront threats. Kelly Ellis is one of the

hopefuls from North Wales. My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at

first, but trying to explain to them the training we get and the weapons

we carry I will be more protected than I am now as a regular officer

out on the streets. My friends all love the fact I am doing firearms

training and they call me Lara Croft and allsorts! Everyone is really

supportive. Recruits who can search buildings graduate to threats on the

move. They must learn when to negotiate with an emotionally

distressed suspect and when to turn to their weapon. But the weapon on

the floor, mate. Get down. And this is the side of armed policing rarely

seen, training to save lives using a computer-controlled simulator

patient. We have got the briefing. Take that strap over his head. The

trainee is no need to put all these skills together in an armed hostage

scenario. Dave Alcock, one of the tutors, plays the role of the

suspect. We are asking you to make the decision to eliminate a threat

with a ballistic force. At the end of that we are asking you to

preserve life. Up to a third of applicants fail firearms training.

This time the final ten all pass. They are now qualified to carry guns

and they will soon be on a street near you.

Dominic Casciani is our Home Affairs Correspondent

Tony Long is a former Metropolitan police firearms officer who supports

Leroy Logan served 30 years in the Met Police and he's

opposed to an expansion of arming the police.

There was criticism from our audience. By putting this film out

it is sanitising the use of firearms. I understand where people

are coming from. There are concerns about how we portray armed policing

and we thought long and hard about whether or not to make this film. We

felt for some time we wanted to see in a fly on the wall weight what

kind of training officers go through if they are at the serious end of

armed policing. That means not just the guys hanging around at

Manchester or Heathrow airport, but the men and women who have to go to

critical incidents. What are they trained to do? When we got the

access, we made clear we wanted to fill whatever we wanted to film and

speak to whoever we wanted to speak to. The guys in the Cheshire school

which is allied to North Wales were happy for us to do it and they let

us get on with it and let us film what we wanted. What you see on the

camera is what we saw. We try to show it how it was. And the

background to this expansion of firearms training for officers? This

is where the controversy is. Firearms numbers reached a high of

7020 ten and then the numbers began to drop as police budgets were cut.

A lot of officers started to retire. Now because certainly in the light

of Paris and the taxpayer, the decision has been to lift the

numbers up. In a year we will have 1500 officers and because of the

extra number of vehicles the public will see a much work visible

policing presence, certainly in the metropolitan cities. Do you back

that? I believe we need to have the capacity to deal with any sort of

risks to the public. If we are having an increase in the form of

terrorism as we have seen in other parts of Europe, then we need to

have officers armed with the commensurate firepower to eliminate

that threat to the public. My issue is around on foot patrol officers

being armed or having more regular arming of officers when they could

be kept in vehicles or at least stations, so we do not change the

look and feel of policing. We are of the world and why would we want to

change that? Is there much push for foot officers to be armed or is it

about training more officers in the use of firearms? This has become a

bit of a grey area in some forces. There was a controversy at the back

end of last year where there was a suggestion armed officers were going

on patrol in parts of Scotland. The Scottish Constabulary pushed back

hard and said it was not happening. Officers who were trained to carry

firearms were out on the streets in a much more visible way. There are

concerns from within the forces themselves. You have got to

volunteer to be a firearms officer. Your average PC, your average cop,

never has to go anywhere near a gun and they want that contact with the

public. One of the things Chief constables say feeding back from

their officers it is the lack of guns which means they are able to

engage with the public. Let me add that the Met Police

Federation are always banging on about officers feeling at risk. We

are at risk -- we were at risk from the IRA and we did not get armed,

but we canvass on a regular basis. Let me bring in a Met police

firearms officer. If someone hires a massive articulated lorry and drive

it into a shopping centre, I would extra firearms protect us? The

reality is they would not. This is my issue. The attack in Berlin

happened because the lorry got to a point when it could go no further.

In Nice the lorry carried on until it was stopped by armed

intervention. They were not the type that you reported on. The officers

but stopped the attack were regular patrol officers. Bobbies on the beat

that happened to be policing a firework events. If that was to

happen in London or any major city, that lorry would travel further. I

point to the Lee Rigby incident. The armed response vehicles took 15

minutes to get to the sight of that. The reality was the unarmed police

force we are so proud of had to stand by for 10-12 minutes. They

watched the public that we are sworn to protect doing our job for us. But

those members of the public that an amazing job. Absolutely but it is

their job to protect the public. It is good that they enjoy the job,

says Graham on Facebook, but if you're confronted by a firearms

officer do not pick up your purse, mobile phone or anything else

because they will kill you. They don't need to see a gun, they need

to feel threatened. There is a degree of truth in that. Policemen

do not need to see a gun. If they have good reason to believe, I made

it clear that as a result of the intelligence I strongly believe him

to have docked down and picked up a gun. I believe to this day the gun

was recovered on the back-seat. I made it clear that it was a

ludicrous situation. You were charged with murder, it took ten

years to clear your name. How many people have you killed through your

job? I've shot five people over a 25 year career. Three of those died,

sadly. Does that keep you awake at night? Not at all. That's what you

trained to do and if you're not prepared to take on that

responsibility, my way of justifying it to myself, it is not in human

nature to take another human being's life. They were all bad people. The

first person I shot had murdered a woman and held that woman's child

hostage for over 24 hours and was in the process of stabbing this

four-year-old girl when I shot him. These are people who have chosen to

go down a certain routes because of anger. Going back to the person that

text that on that message. If young men go out to commit crime and take

a firearm with them they've got to realise that the police will do

their level best to arrest them safely without them being injured

and police being injured. If it comes to a split-second decision

they will come a preferred. It is like kids taking out lives speak --

knives because they think it will make them safer. It will not. It

will endanger their lives. That is the message that needs to go out.

Thank you for coming on the programme. Thanks for your comments.

Keith is a firearms instructor. He says armed police are necessary but

99% of what the deal with are not firearms are so introducing a

firearm into a non-firearms situation, when you look at the

stats from these countries were officers are routinely armed, the

majority of officers who shot are shot with their own weapons which

are taken from them. Still to come, Theresa May might have got Brexit

through the Commons but now the government faces a second referendum

on Scottish independence. We will find out what that means as the UK

withdraws from the EU. This morning, in an exclusive food interview, the

writer and food blogger tells us how the legal action has destroyed their

life. Jack Munro was offered ?24,000 in damages but it is estimated that

Katie Hopkins's case could end up costing ?300,000.

The case centred on a Twitter exchange in May 2015,

in which Katie Hopkins suggested Jack Monroe approved

of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity

When Monroe, who is from an armed forces family, responded furiously

and demanded ?5,000 for a migrants' charity on threat of a libel action,

Hopkins deleted the original tweet but followed it up with one

describing Jack Monroe as "social anthrax".

Jack Monroe is here along with Mark Lewis, Jack's lawyer.

Katie Hopkins said she confused you with a journalist when she sent that

first tweet. What was your first reaction? I was absolutely

horrified. I'm from a family with a strong Armed Forces background and I

was aware of the news leading up to that tweets. The defacement of the

war memorial and the public outrage. To be connected with it, I was

absolutely horrified. I did not want my brother who was in the royal air

Force connected either. So you said, I don't believe that, make a

donation to charity. Were you surprised when she didn't? Few

things happened in between that. I corrected her. Quite strong terms.

Secondly I said I'm asking you to delete this and if I ask you again

it will be through a lawyer. Because she did not respond to either of

those, I decided to flex a bit of muscle, make her do something that

will make her respond. Initially, the ?5,000 was flippant, I wanted to

prod her and get her to respond. I left slightly more polite requests

when she didn't respond. Were you surprised when she didn't take you

up on that? I was and I wasn't. What abuse did you receive as a result of

her tweaks? It was an endless torrent of messages. I knew there

were people who felt strongly about the forces and if they thought I was

connected they would hurl a lot of mud at me. There were things I could

not respond to on this programme. It is so colourful, abusive. I had lots

of people sending the awful messages. Including death threats.

Give us an insight without using that language. People sending

pictures of nurses. It sounds trite when you're talking about that but

when you're caught in the middle of that storm, your phone is flashing

up with people calling you every name under the sun and telling you

that you are the worst human being in the world, it permeates every

corner of your life. The impact of the abuse as a result of those

tweets, what has that been on your personal life? It has been

stressful. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. It has been almost two

years. I've got to delve back down that rabbit hole. I had stress on my

personal life. I've not been in a relationship, because everybody

thought I was mad to take her on. It has been stressful maths and on

Friday the first feeling from walking out, complete shellshock

that it was over. Why did you take her on? She said something about me

that was not only untrue but not even remotely true about the core of

who I am and what I am made of. I have never vandalised anything let

alone a war memorial. I was devastated that one person

would believe this about me. I felt my reputation was ruined and I had

no choice but to respond to it. And the judge ruled that the tweets

caused you real and substantial distress and you are entitled to

fear and reasonable compensation but also that your reputation had not

necessarily suffer gravely but the publication of the tweaks caused

serious harm to your reputation. Some untreated, very satisfying to

see the rectory discussed. Trevor says, I think Jack Munro is terrific

for taking on that nasty piece of work, Katie Hopkins. Well done. --

Nice. Let me bring in Mark Lewis. Will the successful conclusion of

this case encourage more people to take action for Twitter libel? It

has certainly helped coin the phrase of Twibel. There are professional

trawls, the likes of Katie Hopkins, who will go against people. What she

did with Jack was set her followers on her. She claims free speech but

she is the one who would not enter into an argument or say sorry. She

just set lots of people on her. She knew what she was doing. The final

costs are yet to be established but Katie Hopkins has to pay your legal

bill as well as her own, what do you think of that? She could have very

easily avoided the situation. That the steep bill to pay and

unimaginable to me. It is the price of not saying sorry. She could have

said that at the beginning but she did not. The second was an act of

defiance. She was so keen of not seeing it she said it is deserved,

what is the difference. That's why she had to pay more. If she stopped,

it would have not cost her a penny. She did not stop. After she lost,

she tweeted a picture of her looking like this, dressed up as what

appears to be the Virgin Mary. She says she sees herself as the Jesus

of the outspoken. What do you think of that? She is verging on the

ridiculous. I cannot see any of her values being any values I remember

from the Bible. It takes a certain kind of person to compare themselves

to a deity. That is all you need to say about that. What are your

thoughts towards her? I feel quite compassionate and sympathetic

because nobody needs a ?300,000 legal bill and I had no idea when I

started this, what lawyers cost, and I think I've emerged the victor and

had a lot of public support. I cannot even begin to imagine how she

feels at the moment. I bear no ill will towards and I've told my

followers not to be unkind or abusive. I hope it means people will

be a bit kinder to each other on the Internet. This will undo all that.

Claudia says that on Twitter, Katie Hopkins should have paid more. Maybe

people will learn lessons from this. Graham said, we love you, many of us

are victims of a hateful mob. This week says Jack is amazing. Katie

Hopkins is a bully and a trawl. The lesson is if you make a mistake

on Twitter and say something defamatory, make an apology. Very

quickly say sorry and moved in from it. Thank you both very much for

coming in. Now the latest news headlines.

The Bank of England's newly appointed deputy governor,

Charlotte Hogg, has resigned after MPs criticised her for failing

to reveal that her brother holds a senior role at Barclays Bank.

MPs said Charlotte Hogg's professional competence fell short

of the standards required to fulfil her role.

They found that Ms Hogg failed over a period of nearly

four years to comply with the Bank's Code of Conduct.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request

to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before

Scotland's First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year

It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power

to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament

The House of Lords voted in favour of the legislation

without reinstating amendments which were removed by the Commons.

Ukip's biggest financial backer Arron Banks has announced

that his membership of the party has been suspended, but there

was confusion over his claim, as a Ukip spokesman said

that the millionaire's membership had lapsed earlier this year.

Mr Banks, who is a close friend of former leader Nigel Farage,

and funded the Leave EU campaign in last year's Brexit referendum,

gave ?1 million to Ukip ahead of the 2015 general election.

But he has been sceptical about the leadership of Paul Nuttall

and has recently spoken of founding a new political movement

to "drain the swamp" of Westminster politics.

A severely disabled man born from incestuous rape has lost his Court

of Appeal fight to claim compensation. The 29-year-old man

whose mother was abused with her own father was born with a genetic

disorder and has epilepsy, severe learning and developmental

difficulties and hearing and sight problems. The Court of Appeal

decision overturned a ruling by the other tribunal last year that the

man was eligible for a reward under the criminal injuries compensation

scheme. Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock.

Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to join the semifinals of the

FA Cup. There was a sending off for her error for this second yellow

card. There was also a great winning goal to win it 1-0. Jose Mourinho

received plenty of criticism on the touchline with both managers having

to be separated at times. Double Olympic gold medallist join arousal

announced her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles,

one of those pictured here. She won two gold medals in London and in

rear. We are expected to hear today whether women will be admitted to

Muirfield golf club. It is likely to be a yes vote which means Muirfield

could host the open championship. Liverpool and Birmingham have

expressed an interest in hosting the common wealth games in 2022. They

were supposed to be held in Durban, but financial difficulties means the

federation is looking for a new host city.

Theresa May looks set to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request to hold

a second referendum on Scottish independence before the process

It comes as the Brexit secretary, David Davis, confirms Article 50

will be triggered by the end of the month to begin

the formal process of leaving the European Union.

# World, the time has come to push that button.

The British people have spoken and the answer is we are out.

The UK is about to take its next big step towards Brexit.

This will happen when Theresa May triggers Article 50,

which means she will start the formal process of the UK

Negotiations with the EU will begin shortly after.

No, nothing will change today, tomorrow, next week or next month.

The UK will remain a member of the EU for up to two years,

EU laws and rules, including the freedom

Very long and very complex negotiations will take place

Think of it like an ongoing divorce case, where the two sides

will discuss rights for Brits living abroad, cross-border security

The UK is currently in the European single market, a system designed

to help businesses by removing barriers to trade.

Theresa May wants to exit this system.

She says being part of it would mean the UK could not

Instead, she wants to enter a customs union with the EU,

a different kind of trade agreement, but will the other side agree?

There is a two-year limit for negotiations to be completed.

Although this can be extended, but only if all other EU

If no agreement is reached in time, the UK will

According to the man who wrote Article 50, yes, it could,

It will take a very long time until the divorce

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP is the SNP spokesperson for Trade

and Investment in Westminster, and Dominic Raab who's

a Conservative MP and was part of the official Vote Leave Campaign.

It was David Cameron who set the wheels in motion for the second

Scotland independence referendum. He acknowledged a vote for leaving the

EU would see pressure for that second referendum. We knew from the

SNP itself they had made this one of the things they were going to

campaign on. What is surprising and telling is the SNP and Nicola

Sturgeon came out all guns blazing saying they want to have a second

referendum before we know the outcome of the Brexit negotiations

with the EU. They will be quite a few people north of the border who

would like to know what that choice is before they have the referendum.

That is a good point. You cannot have a real discussion, you cannot

have that independence referendum sensibly until the Brexit deal is

complete. Dominik did not listen to a word the First Minister said. The

time frame she suggested, or to year up to spring 2019, by that time we

should have an idea of the way things are going. Not necessarily.

Despite UK ministers giving us assurances... We should have a final

deal. What about businesses and EU nationals are waiting for an outcome

with this? Wait until the final deal so people can have an informed

choice. By that time Scotland will be presented with two clear choices.

One about what Brexit will look like and the other option for Scotland.

What kind of a country do we want to be? Genuinely giving people in

Scotland a choice. At the end of the day they have not been given a

choice, they did not vote to leave the European Union. The Prime

Minister has had ample opportunities to look at Scotland in Europe and

has ignored it completely. A meeting was cancelled on a whim. It is about

time people of Scotland were given some respect and the way we do that

is this. We have been left with no option. The government has not

budged an inch, they did not look at or accept any of our amendments and

they wanted to ride roughshod over Scotland's amendments. It is only

right the First Minister has done what she could only do in this

situation. The Prime Minister has to be careful in the way she responds?

Yes, I think so, not least on the Brexit negotiations. We are poised

to start this two-year period you covered in your plate and there are

a huge amount of positive as well. We want to get the best deal for

every nation in the UK, on things like this whiskey, financial

services, big exports for the people of Scotland, and we want to take

powers from Brussels and there will be opportunity to devolve further

powers to Scotland. You have to wait until the end of the process so you

can see the full deal if you want to have another referendum in Scotland.

We were told the referendum in Scotland in 2014 was once in a

generation by the SNP. Things have changed dramatically since then, not

least the collapse in the oil price. The UK wide approach that was wanted

by the Prime Minister is so wide that we do not even know when

Article 50 will be trickled -- triggered. We do know, it is the end

of March. You are going all guns blazing. We well know by the end of

March that we will start the negotiations. To say Nicola Sturgeon

does not know when Brexit negotiations will start is false. We

have been clear from the start. We presented a compromise agreement to

the government. Scotland voted to stay in the EU, however we were

prepared to reach an agreement within the constitutional framework

to stay with in the UK if Scotland could stay in the single market and

the Prime Minister has ignored us completely. How much of a gamble is

this for Nicola Sturgeon? I do not think it is a gamble at all. The

First Minister has to do what is best for Scotland. She is doing what

is best for the people of this country and they will have the

opportunity to make a decision. Thank you very much. A former prison

employee who was convicted of smuggling phones for inmates has

claimed he was never searched at work. He is called James Ormond and

he worked in Rutland and he has been speaking exclusively to our home

affairs correspondent. What did he tell you? He said he had got a job

at the prison with an agency and was initially recruited to do

non-prisoner rolls, he was escorting building renovators, so he had no

contact with prisoners at the start. Then his role developed and he

started having to guard prisoners, to guard the classrooms where they

were taking courses, and do some random searches of prisoners. During

that time he got talking to an inmate and they started chatting

about football and things like that. Eventually the conversation

developed and this inmate started to tell him that he wanted him to bring

in a mobile phone. This is what he told me. I felt vulnerable in the

role, especially because at the time I was suffering very heavily with

depression. My father had passed away. That is the kind of thing

these prisoners can pick up on easily. They have a lot of time to

think. He kept asking daily and became aggressive at times. He said,

I will have you followed, I will have somebody hurt your answer. He

said, I know about your niece and nephew. Those threats really worried

him and he claimed he eventually gave in to those threats and he

agreed to bring in a mobile telephone for the prisoner. He got

?500 for taking the package in. It is possible that package also

contained the potent cannabis spice. He never looked inside it, but it is

possible it contained drugs. In total he took in four packages for

this prisoner. He said it was easy to get the parcels into prison.

There was that point am I going to get somebody coming to my house?

This gentleman was in prison for armed robbery. I did not know what

he was capable of. Taking that flowed into the prison it was a

calculated risk that that was not going to be the day that they

decided they were going to do a Star search. I was playing it nice and

cool and being normal walking through the gate. He was eventually

caught. The conversations he was having with the prisoner aroused

suspicions amongst the colleagues and he confessed in front of the

governor and he was sentenced and he spent three months in prison and is

now managing to rebuild his life. He led a national unit tackling

corruption and describes it as an inconvenient truth. Also with us,

Tracey McMann, who founded a project working with women transitioning out

of jail and says the stories of contraband are rampant. And Mike is

a prison officer and national chair for the union for prison officers.

If you want to join us over here... John, how serious is this issue of

corruption in jails? It is a very serious issue and is getting worse

as we've lost staff. We've lost a lot of experience. What do we need

to do about it? Acknowledge there is a problem. There is corruption in

the media, in sport, why wouldn't there be corruption in prisons? We

need to wake up and smell the copy. We need much more in the way of

training and the way of resources. We need to investigate staff. How

often are you pressurised into smuggling stuff into jail? It is

true that there are periods where prisoners will try it on. Does it

happen to you? Nine out of ten times it is a joke. It starts off as a

joke. Most prison staff are trained to deal with it and I don't accept

it is rife within presence. Most prison officers turn up because they

are honest and have integrity. The last thing they want to do is see

corruption and Co. Is round. The estimate is five in every prison.

The vast majority are professional and full of integrity. There is a

small minority, and they have a disproportionate effect. The working

assumption is in every prison across England and Wales 3-5 staff are

corrupt. That is out of a total workforce of 60,000. What are you

being told about contraband inside? It is not a conversation that

naturally emerges. Women who often come back to East Lancashire. These

conversations, naturally, in their head, from what we are hearing and

for anybody that knows about the prisoners, women make 5% of prison

population. It is a scattered and fractured estate. The women coming

back through the gates, often serving short sentences, there is a

staff problem and a small... What other women telling you? It comes in

through the post, to visitors, to counteract staff corruption, we are

getting it through the mail and from visits, drugs are coming in, they

are prescribed, but also heroin replacements, that is what we call

currency within the present estate. Those are going round, selling for

large amounts. It is easy to transport from one person to

another. You don't need formal qualifications. You can... You will

not find any sympathy from fellow prison staff. They will try to turn

up and do their job with integrity. This undermines that. I think Tracy

touches on some valid points. Prisoners sometimes will distracts

from real trafficking routes, they are blaming staff because of two

reasons, one because it takes the focus away from their activities and

the prison staff but also it negates any sort of charges. The issue must

be investigated. No charges are brought against the prisoner. Having

been a prison governor at three prisons have you come across people

who joined the prison service in order to make money this way? Being

paid to smuggle stuff into prisons? I carried out an investigation when

I was at Brixton and somebody joined who had been a prisoner two years

beforehand. He was an illegal immigrant. Those cases RA. I think

what this programme has highlighted is the vulnerability of staff. I

would disagree with talk of training. The training is the

shortest in the world. We should be in mind that the prison staff is not

just people in uniform. The workforce is complex. I don't think

any of those get any training at all to help them with the threat is

highlighted in the programme. Thank you very much, everybody. Let me ask

you before you go, the latest prison figures. These are compelled by the

Council of Europe and they show that Britain imprisons more people than

virtually any other country in Europe apart from Russia or Turkey,

around 45 in the Council of Europe. A higher proportion of those in jail

in England and Wales are six offenders, people sentenced for

violence crimes and life imprisonment, much greater in the UK

than elsewhere. Thank you for coming on the programme. Really appreciate

it. Much more on corruption in jails. The investigation will be on

Radio 4 tonight. The top court has ruled this morning that companies

can ban staff from wearing religious or political symbols including

headscarves. Our Paris correspondent can fill us in. This was a case

featuring two women, one from France and one from Belgium. Tell us more.

It very, the kid. I've been reading the ruling and it is impenetrable

but I think I've got my brain round it. Ever-2-mac cases. One was a

woman who worked as a receptionist. Back in 2006, she had a religious

conversion, started wearing a headscarf and she was fired. The

other case was a woman who worked as a consultant analyst and when a

client said they wanted to have this woman without a headscarf, the

company employer asked her to remove it, she refused and was sacked. In

both cases it has gone to the High Court of two different countries,

and said, we don't understand this directive. Can you give some

guidance? It has not ruled in these cases and has given guidance. The

guidance is that if there is a pre-existing rule in the company,

that says you cannot show this display, then it is possible to ask

a person to remove her headscarf but not possible on an ad hoc basis to

produced this idea and say we are thinking that you are putting the

clients off. It all comes down to this idea of whether there is a

pre-existing policy. If there was, according to their interpretation,

it is possible to insist that she take off the headscarf. Does it

apply to the UK? Why not? As long as Britain was within the EU this

ruling has application. Two things. This is guidance, not the court

saying you've got it wrong. You interpret it your way. This is how

we see the directive. These cases go back a decade or more. This kind of

issue, it would drag on and drag on. By the time it came round, Britain

might have left. Let us go. How do you react to this? I am frustrated

and deeply disturbed by the guidance coming out of Europe at the moment.

We were talking about headscarf is. It is not just about Muslim dress,

it is about political and philosophical symbols. Which seemed

to disproportionately involved cases of Muslim women. Looking at the

stats, it disproportionately impact Muslim women more than men, the

guidance it could have on our communities. What could it do? The

message it sends out is that diversity is not welcome in Europe

and if the concern is about national security I would say... You think if

this is a case of women wearing crosses and the company asked them

to remove it, strict company policy, you would feel the same? I would. I

want to know how it is that these impact on a woman's ability to do

their job. The second woman was an IT consultant. At no point was there

a mention of their incompetency in the ability to do the job. That was

what was most frustrating because women should not be discriminated

against. The fact that they are women, who belong to particular

thing, because of what they're wearing. I am going to pause you

because it is the end of the programme but thank you so much

coming on programme. We appreciate it. Thank you for your company

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