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Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning: How do firearms officers make split second

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decisions on when to shoot a dangerous suspect?

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In the worst case scenario you could end up in a situation

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That's why it all comes down to decision-making,

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that's why that's so crucial and I think you've got

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to have confidence in your own ability to do that.

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If you don't, then you shouldn't be here.

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We've had exclusive access to a firearms training

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academy in Cheshire following police recruits.

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Watch the full report in the next few minutes.

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Also on the programme, Theresa May has won her battle

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in parliament on Brexit, but now she's got potential Scottish

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We'll get reaction from a group of voters from right across the UK.

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Hello, everybody, welcome back to my channel. I am joined by my favourite

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present in the world. If I get this, you owe me a fiver.

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As the popularity of vlogging soars we'll hear how organisers of a club

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teaching kids how to be a successful vlogger say they've been blown away

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

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Throughout the morning the latest news and developing stories.

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A little later in the programme we'll bring

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with the food writer and blogger Jack Monroe who's just won a libel

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case against Mail online columnist Katie Hopkins.

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Monroe says the case led to her experiencing a "complete

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Hear that full interview after 10 this morning.

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Our top story today: The bill giving the Government the power to trigger

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the formal process of leaving the European Union,

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has cleared its final hurdle in Parliament,

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Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to hold a second

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referendum on Scottish independence, before the process

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Will this call for a second independence referendum in Scotland

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mess up Theresa May's timetable when it comes to the Brexit negotiations?

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It is certainly a headache and for that reason the overwhelming view is

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Theresa May were absolutely not want to consider a Scottish independence

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referendum while she is having to grapple with Brexit. She does not

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want to be fighting on two France at the same time, it would be

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politically and extraordinarily difficult feat to pull off. The

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expectation is any final decision on Scottish independence and a

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referendum may be put off until safely after the Brexit negotiations

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are completed and the UK has left the EU. As for Brexit itself,

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Theresa May received a significant boost last night by the fact that

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Parliament passed really without much opposition her bill triggering

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the start of the process. I counted only nine Tory MPs actually

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rebelling last night. The House of Lords pretty much through in the

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towel straightaway, so where we are, despite all the threats of endless

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amendments and getting bogged down in the House of Lords, Theresa May

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has emerged with her bill not amended and to her timetable.

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Frankly she conceded remarkably little beyond the verbal assurance

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there will be a vote in two years' time. On the independence referendum

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Theresa May will have to give permission for that to happen in

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Scotland, otherwise it will really annoy people. Well, the bottom line

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is Theresa May has control of the process. In other words, she is the

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one who will decide if and when a Scottish independence referendum

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takes place. The clear signals we are getting at Westminster is the

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government want to play this long, they want to take the steam out of

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Nicola Sturgeon's campaign and they want to see the momentum for

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Scottish independence slow up. Yes, absolutely not having any referendum

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before Brexit, but even after Brexit the government may seek to push it

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down the line. There have been some suggestions that may be the

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government could say, let's see if the SNP can win another mandate for

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an independence referendum in the Scottish Parliamentary elections in

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2021. The thinking is all the time they wanted take some of the head of

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steam out of Nicola Sturgeon's campaign and slow down the rush and

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demand for a second referendum. We will talk to a group of voters right

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across the UK in the next hour or so and your views are very welcome.

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Joanna is in the BBC newsroom with a summary

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A former prison employee, who was convicted of smuggling

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phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work.

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The man, who worked at Stocken jail in Rutland, made the claim

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in a documentary about prison corruption for BBC Radio Four.

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The Ministry of Justice said the vast majority of prison staff

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And we'll have more on that story at 10.45.

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One crew member has been found after an Irish Coast Guard

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helicopter with four on board went missing off

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Those on board lost contact at about 1AM on this morning.

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A search is under way about six miles to the west

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The aircraft was providing cover for another coastguard helicopter

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Turkey has severed all high-level contacts with the Dutch government

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in an escalation of an ongoing row between the two countries.

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Turkey has also told the Dutch ambassador to Ankara that he can't

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It comes after Turkish ministers were banned

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from speaking at Dutch rallies, organised in Rotterdam to gain

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support for President Erdogan in a referendum next month.

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Children become less active at an earlier age

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than previously thought, according to new research.

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It was widely believed that physical exercise started

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But a study, carried out over eight years in the north-east of England,

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showed that activity levels begin to drop among seven year olds,

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Children are supposed to be active for an hour every day,

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but most youngsters don't get enough exercise, and this study suggests

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More than 400 children from Gateshead wore an activity

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Their exercise levels were measured at the ages

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Physical activity dropped off from the age of seven

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The orthodox view is that this adolescent decline is not only

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something which happens at adolescence, so it

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coincides with puberty or with transition to high school,

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but also it is something that particularly affects girls.

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And our study shows that that is clearly not the case.

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I think what that means in terms of public health programmes

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is programmes and policies and practices all have

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to focus much earlier, probably around about the time

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Too much time spent looking at screens and sitting down

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is storing up health problems for the future, according

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It's campaigning to try and change the fact that one in five children

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Smart phones and fitness trackers are being targeted by criminals

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to hold people to ransom over personal data, according

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The joint report from The National Crime Agency

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and the new National Cyber Security Centre says digital crime

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is becoming more aggressive, with a growing risk to business.

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A new after school vlogging club says it's been "blown away"

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by demand for its classes after it opened last month.

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It says its sessions for the under 11 is has been very popular.

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But the academy near Exeter says it's not all about creating

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the next YouTube star, but encouraging creativity,

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And we'll be finding out more about those classes

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In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection against

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unfair treatment, but a report by a number of charities claims the

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reforms have only had minimal impact. The government intends to

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publish a review of how it is working, but aggressive or action is

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working, but aggressive or action is not acceptable.

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The result of a ballot on whether to admit women as members

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of the world's oldest golf club will be announced later this morning.

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It's the second vote on the issue at Muirfield in East Lothian.

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Motions require two-thirds of its eligible voters to back the move.

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Only 64% backed the move at the last vote.

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A state of emergency has been declared in New York as the city

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Blizzard conditions are expected across the north-east United States,

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with forecasters predicting over half a metre of snow in some areas.

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The weather conditions have caused the first meeting

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between President Trump and the German Chancellor Angela

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The mayor of New York has called on people to stay indoors.

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Stay off the streets for your own good, for your own safety,

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but to help the sanitation department keep the streets clear.

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If you must go out, do so for as limited

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If you need to travel, use mass transit if at all possible,

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but the best thing to do is stay in if you can stay in.

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There are also some incredible sites. This is on the shores of Lake

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on Taree. After a weekend of freezing wind and high waves this is

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what one has looked like. It is a summer has, so it should have thawed

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out before their next holiday. Imagine owning a summer house. We

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have got a film for you in the next few minutes which is instructive. It

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is incredible access to young police recruits going through firearms

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training. Our home affairs correspondent has had access over a

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period of months. You watch that in the next few minutes. Anthony on

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Facebook says many believe we have the best police force in the world

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and they do not need to be armed. Personally I believe we have the

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right ratio of armed and unarmed officers in this country. Please get

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in touch with us. Sport now with John and we are talking about

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women's football because the FA have announced plans to increase

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participation in the women's game. They have made quite a statement.

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They have said they have let the women's game down following the way

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in which it was marginalised in the early part of the last century and

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they want to try and double the numbers of women and girls playing

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the game by 2020, so they have announced a strategy aimed at

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improving coaching and improving pathways for younger players to make

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it through to the top, as well as trying to improve the facilities and

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coaching as well. Let's hear from the chief executive of the FA. One

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of the jobs of the FA is to promote football in the country, whether

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small sided or 11 sided. It is such a great spot for everyone and

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frankly half the population, female, have not had as much attention as

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they might. That has changed in recent years, but today is about

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saying, let's be ambitious, let's doubled the number of girls who are

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playing and make it a mainstream sport. It is hoped that will see a

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huge improvement in the number of girls and women playing again. Why

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has the women's game be so overshadowed by the men's? In the

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early part of the last century, certainly during the First World

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War, the women's game was popular. They sold out grounds and there was

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a huge amount of interest. But they FA made the decision in 1921 to ban

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the playing of women's games at all the grounds for 20 years which

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completely stunted the game. That changed in the 1960s with the

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women's FA and the women's FA Cup and that boosted the numbers of

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women playing once again. Then we saw the it was the fastest growing

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sport in 2005 and we saw the emergence of the women's super

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league which was launched in 2011. It is hoped now with this

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implementation of the new plan it would see that addressed and the

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game continuing to grow once again. What with the FA be expecting to

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come out of this? They would like to see the women's team win the World

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Cup by 2023. That is a possibility. Their manager says they could win a

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major tournament earlier than that and they are targeting the European

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Championships this year. They also want to host a major tournament.

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That would see an interest within the game and boost participation.

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The women's team are already exceeding the men's team. They

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finished third in the World Cup in 2015. The results are certainly

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there and it is expected they will win a World Cup or a major

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tournament. It has been interesting to know that Gareth Southgate, the

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manager of the England men's national team has been working

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alongside the manager of the women's team. It is felt the progress in the

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women's game is exceeding the men's and this is recognition for that.

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As the national debate continues over whether police officers should

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be more routinely armed, we've had exclusive access

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to a firearms training centre in Cheshire, where officers

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It's an intensive three-month course with many officers

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By the end of the year, out of a total of 130,000 police

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officers in England and Wales, around 7,500 are firearms officers,

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a record number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism.

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Over the next 15 minutes we'll show you the reality of what it's

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like to undergo training, how officers are taught

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to make split-second life-or-death decisions,

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and later in the programme we'll hear from those who worry we already

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The report contains realistic training exercises featuring hostage

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scenarios, and you will hear repeated sound of gun shots.

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If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away

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We wanted to bring you this report to try and give

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an insight into the kind of training officers undergo.

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The UK will soon have more armed police than ever before, but will

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Over three months, we've witnessed recruits

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Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel.

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Tested to see if they were capable of carrying a lethal weapon,

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mentally and physically ready to walk into danger.

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Have these recruits got what it takes...

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..to graduate from the firearms training

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I am the exercise conducting officer for this training event and

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will be in charge of training site safety.

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All students, observers and instructors must obey

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my instructions irrespective of rank or role.

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On hearing a long whistle blast or the word of command, "stop,

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stop, stop" all students will stop what they're doing

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In case of an incident resulting in injury all

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activities will cease immediately and all weapons will be made safe.

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All students will wear appropriate PPE commensurate with the training.

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ARV kit, ear and eye protection, forced issue boots and helmets.

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All loading and unloading of weapons will take place in the

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Weapon safety rules must be complied with.

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There are no officer down drills for today's

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training, so any officer down will be treated as a genuine injury.

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Is anyone suffering from the effects of

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alcohol, taken any medication or have any injury or problem that may

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It's week five of training at Cheshire Constabulary's firearms

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Recruits have learned how to handle a gun,

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now they need to learn when and where to use it.

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All they have to do is approach each room in this

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abandoned school and prove they can see the imaginary bad guys without

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It's just a straightforward search, has anybody

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Each individual officer has a role and

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they actually have a role to perform when they are at the door.

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So what we are trying to get them to do is

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The roles are so fluent, so they can form up on one

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door, deal with that specific threat area, OK,

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but when they come out and

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they form up at the next threat, they will be in a completely

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As the day progresses, the instructors place

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cardboard cutout suspects around the school.

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And how to apprehend anyone left standing.

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No need for you to be pointing your gun here

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now is there, this is

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They repeat the exercises, but it's hard to remember

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The recruits are under intense pressure and making

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That goes to safe before it goes down, OK?

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Martin, one of the trainees makes a serious error in

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You know yourselves when that fire selector

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should go to safe and when it should go to fire.

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And it shouldn't be, Martin, obviously down there.

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You went to walk, took a couple of paces

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The bullet magazine clatters out of that officer's gun

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Kelly's magazine fell out in the previous

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Her magazine and then basically we've sort of said, check

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She's replaced her magazine then she's come out and gone into

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And the target she's basically been faced with is a gun

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And in that circumstances, because of the

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mistake back there where the magazine got dropped,

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It's easily the hardest thing I've ever had to do, mentally and

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But, I can't fault it, I'm really enjoying it.

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It's just a lot to take in and a lot to

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remember, so just exhausting, really.

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I just wanted to challenge myself, wanted to do something new.

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Eight, four second exposures and when the target faces,

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I couldn't go away from policing now.

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It is about putting your life on the line, that's what I want

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to do and I get a massive sense of achievement

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Sometimes I go home from here of any evening and you see

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what's going on in the news and you think,

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in a few months' time, if I

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pass this course, that could be me going out to that job.

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First on the scene, having to discharge a weapon.

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My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at first, but trying to

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explain to them, obviously the training we get,

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the weapons that we are carrying, actually I am going

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to be more protected than I am now as a regular officer out on the

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OK, slight angle, purely because of the angles of the shield.

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My friends, I think they all love the fact I'm doing

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They call me Lara Croft and all sorts, but everyone is

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Put your hands on the steering wheel.

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We are two months in and 12 trainees are left.

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Put the drink down, show me your hands.

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Now they've got to show they can apprehend armed suspects on the

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Turned the engine of using one of your hands.

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This scenario is typical of a great deal of armed

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Emotionally or mentally distressed suspects, who are a

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How the trainees choose to respond is crucial.

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They need to know when to use words rather than bullets.

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Put the gun onto the floor and let's talk.

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Put the gun on the floor and we'll treat you with the respect you

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deserve, but put it on the floor please.

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In that case, put it on the bonnet of my car and then step

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Walked towards me, walked towards me.

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Stop there, Sean, put your hands on your head for me.

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Put your hands on your head and interlock your fingers.

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OK, stay where you are, try and keep your hands on the top of

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Will keep your gun safe, don't worry.

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Now it's time to reset the session and

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Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel.

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This time the suspect is far more volatile.

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If I put gun down, will you shoot me?

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The officers have a split second to make a tough call.

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Ellie, the officer in the car pulled the

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This of course is just a simulation and the instructors are

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concerned some of the team, including Ellie on thinking fast

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Ellie and Matt, very slow on the call of the shotgun.

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I was looking at the shotgun, it was out

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Matt, you were stood looking at it, you must have been able to

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Throughout the exercises, all of the trainees are

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They've got to show Steve that the tactics are

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We look at the vehicle, dominate the vehicle,

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dominate the occupants of the vehicle.

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And then we look at controlling the vehicle, driver,

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Driver take the keys out of the vehicle.

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And at the end of a gruelling week, Ellie and one other officer fail to

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Put your hands on the window where I can see them.

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You can be called to deal with anything at any time,

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the only difference between a fire officer

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and a normal fire officer is

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And from a personal point of view, I enjoyed dealing with the most

:25:43.:25:47.

I tried two years ago and I was unsuccessful, so I've tried to

:25:48.:25:52.

develop since then and I've given it another go now.

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I think you've got to have a very cool, level head.

:25:55.:25:57.

But also you've got to be able to think

:25:58.:26:00.

clearly and also think really quickly and if you can't do that

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In terms of getting through the course,

:26:04.:26:06.

new goal to be able to pick up things on a daily basis.

:26:07.:26:22.

It's the final week and now the hardest challenge.

:26:23.:26:25.

Any cop who's armed, must also have the skills to save a life.

:26:26.:26:28.

The recruits are at an emergency services training

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They have been training on a simulated casualty

:26:30.:26:34.

This piece of equipment allows us to simulate injuries on patients

:26:35.:26:54.

So they are actually connected up to computers now.

:26:55.:27:06.

When you watch this type of equipment being used

:27:07.:27:08.

on your students, you'll see how it actually draws them

:27:09.:27:11.

Guys, can we get the snips out straightaway to get

:27:12.:27:16.

While his head is off the floor, can you get me that strap

:27:17.:27:23.

After three long months, the trainees now need

:27:24.:27:39.

Armed police, come and open the front door.

:27:40.:27:59.

Hostages, an armed man, it's not going to end well.

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The gunman hiding in the house, shoots the first hostage.

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He's being played by Dave, the instructor.

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They not only have to think tactical, they've got

:28:10.:28:13.

We are asking you to make the decision, to eliminate a threat

:28:14.:28:27.

And then at the end of that, we are asking you to preserve life.

:28:28.:28:36.

The average person doesn't have the ability to kill,

:28:37.:28:39.

and then be accountable in a court of law for their actions.

:28:40.:28:42.

The second hostage escapes and despite having shot the suspect,

:28:43.:29:02.

the team must now try to save his life as well has his victim.

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And there's one final surprise waiting inside.

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Starting CPR, can someone carry on with the survey?

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End ex, the call to finish the exercise.

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I felt very comfortable, I could hear you shouting

:29:46.:29:50.

commands to each other, so as a patient I can

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hear you and I think, you know what, I'm in good,

:29:55.:29:56.

They looked after me all the way to out.

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The remaining ten recruits now have a nervous wait to find

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I think it's reasonable that officers should be armed

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because of the threat that posed against them now.

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It doesn't scare me that more officers, I think

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They are going in the right direction.

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In the worst case scenario you could end up in a situation

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Yes you could, that's why it all comes down

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to your decision-making, that's why it's so crucial.

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And I think you've got to have confidence in your

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If you don't, then you shouldn't be here.

:30:35.:30:37.

Up to a third of those who apply fail the training school.

:30:38.:30:40.

This time, the final ten graduate, eight men and two women.

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Today, they are all qualified to carry guns and may soon be

:30:44.:30:45.

And after 10 we'll hear from people who think firearms officers aren't

:30:46.:30:58.

Keen to hear your thoughts as always.

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Jan says, I believe our peas need to be armed, but I would not like to

:31:05.:31:11.

see them armed all the time. Lesley said I strongly believe the police

:31:12.:31:15.

should be routinely armed, we have to move with the times, the UK is

:31:16.:31:22.

violent place. This text from somebody who is anonymous, guns do

:31:23.:31:26.

not cause problems, it is the people who carry them who are important and

:31:27.:31:29.

the police are good about vetting their own, even better than the

:31:30.:31:34.

army. People think carrying a gun is fun, it is not. The top brass will

:31:35.:31:39.

not back you and the risk is high if you get it wrong. The officers who

:31:40.:31:44.

do it need a medal and support. They do it because we need it. This is a

:31:45.:31:50.

tweet from Jamie. I am reassured that if I get taken hostage, the

:31:51.:31:54.

magazine will fall out of the gun. All that is needed now is the Naked

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More discussion to come on that after ten.

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Drugs are fuelling violence in prisons across the country.

:32:07.:32:08.

We'll be hearing how corruption among prison staff

:32:09.:32:10.

A school is blown away by demand for its new after

:32:11.:32:16.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:32:17.:32:28.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request to

:32:29.:32:34.

hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before the process of

:32:35.:32:38.

Brexit is complete. Scotland's First Minister announced she would seek

:32:39.:32:42.

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year and the

:32:43.:32:49.

spring of 2019. The power to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in

:32:50.:32:53.

Parliament and will become law. The House of Lords voted in favour of

:32:54.:32:56.

A former prison employee, who was convicted of smuggling

:32:57.:33:00.

phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work.

:33:01.:33:02.

in Rutland, made the claim in a documentary about prison

:33:03.:33:07.

The Ministry of Justice said the vast majority of prison staff

:33:08.:33:12.

One crew member has been found after an Irish Coast Guard

:33:13.:33:20.

helicopter with four on board went missing off

:33:21.:33:21.

Those on board lost contact at about 1AM on this morning.

:33:22.:33:32.

A search is under way about six miles to the west

:33:33.:33:34.

The aircraft was providing cover for another coastguard helicopter

:33:35.:33:38.

Charities say they are continuing to see widespread problems with the

:33:39.:33:48.

behaviour of bailiffs towards vulnerable people in difficulty

:33:49.:33:52.

despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection

:33:53.:33:56.

against unfair treatment, but there are claims the reforms have only had

:33:57.:34:03.

minimal impact. The government says aggressive enforcement action is not

:34:04.:34:10.

acceptable. A state of emergency has been declared in New York as the

:34:11.:34:15.

city faces a major snowstorm. Blizzard conditions are expected

:34:16.:34:18.

across the North East with forecasters expecting half a metre

:34:19.:34:22.

of snow in some areas. The weather conditions have caused the first

:34:23.:34:26.

meeting between President Donald Trump and Angela Merkel to be

:34:27.:34:32.

postponed. There are some incredible sights as well, though, such as this

:34:33.:34:36.

house in upstate New York which has been completely encased in ice. It

:34:37.:34:42.

is on the shores of Lake Ontario and after a week of freezing winds and

:34:43.:34:46.

eyes this is what it looks like. It is used as a summer house, so it

:34:47.:34:54.

will thaw out before then! News just in, the European Union's top court

:34:55.:34:59.

has ruled that employers may ban staff from wearing visible religious

:35:00.:35:04.

symbols at work. It was a joint judgment in the cases of two women

:35:05.:35:09.

in France and Belgium who were sacked for refusing to remove their

:35:10.:35:13.

headscarves. An internal company rule prohibiting the wearing of any

:35:14.:35:17.

religious sign was not discriminatory. This is just in as

:35:18.:35:26.

well. It is to do with the Bank of England Deputy Governor, Charlotte

:35:27.:35:31.

Hogg. The Treasury Select Committee have just said that her professional

:35:32.:35:36.

competence falls short of the standard required to fulfil her role

:35:37.:35:40.

as Bank of England Deputy Governor. We will bring you more on that and

:35:41.:35:43.

the reasons behind that in the next half an hour.

:35:44.:35:49.

Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to reach the semifinals of

:35:50.:35:57.

the FA Cup. There was a sending off for Parreira for a second yellow

:35:58.:36:00.

card and then there was a great goal to win it. A little bit of afters as

:36:01.:36:08.

well between the two managers. Jose Mourinho received plenty of

:36:09.:36:12.

criticism from the fans on the touchline. The managers had to be

:36:13.:36:16.

separated. The double Olympic gold medallist join arousal as announced

:36:17.:36:22.

her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles and nobody will

:36:23.:36:27.

forget the gold medals she won in London, 2012 and in Rio in the

:36:28.:36:32.

summer. Women are to be admitted to Muirfield golf club, we will get the

:36:33.:36:36.

result of a second ballot and it is likely to be a yes vote which means

:36:37.:36:43.

the club could host the open championship. Birmingham and

:36:44.:36:48.

Liverpool have expressed an interest in staging the Commonwealth Games in

:36:49.:36:53.

2022. They were supposed to be held in Durban, but financial

:36:54.:36:56.

difficulties that means the games Federation is looking for a new host

:36:57.:37:00.

city. It could be their loss, but our game. We'll Theresa May reject

:37:01.:37:08.

completely Nicola Sturgeon's request to hold a second referendum on

:37:09.:37:11.

Scottish independence before the process of Brexit is complete?

:37:12.:37:15.

The Prime Minister says it would be divisive and she's accused

:37:16.:37:18.

Scotland's First Minister of playing political games.

:37:19.:37:20.

It comes as the bill giving the Westminster government the power

:37:21.:37:22.

to trigger Brexit has cleared its final hurdle

:37:23.:37:24.

in parliament and will now become law, meaning the infamous Article 50

:37:25.:37:28.

could be triggered in the coming days and weeks.

:37:29.:37:31.

The British people have spoken and the answer is, we're out.

:37:32.:37:47.

The UK is about to take its next big step towards Brexit.

:37:48.:37:51.

This will happen when Prime Minister Theresa May triggers Article 50,

:37:52.:37:55.

which means she will start the formal process of the UK

:37:56.:37:57.

Negotiations with the EU will begin shortly after.

:37:58.:38:08.

Nope, nada, nothing will change today, tomorrow next

:38:09.:38:13.

The UK will remain a member of the EU for up to two years

:38:14.:38:18.

EU laws and rules, including the freedom

:38:19.:38:22.

Very long and very complex negotiations will take place

:38:23.:38:29.

Think of it like an ongoing divorce case where the two sides

:38:30.:38:35.

will discuss rights for Brits living abroad, cross-border security

:38:36.:38:37.

The UK is currently in the European single market, a system designed

:38:38.:38:48.

to help businesses by removing barriers to trade.

:38:49.:38:52.

Theresa May however, wants to exit this system.

:38:53.:38:56.

She says being part of it would mean the UK could not

:38:57.:38:59.

Instead, she wants to enter what's known as a customs union

:39:00.:39:04.

with the EU, a different kind of trade agreement.

:39:05.:39:07.

There's a two-year limit for negotiations to be completed,

:39:08.:39:19.

although this can be extended, but only if all other EU

:39:20.:39:22.

If no agreement is reached in time, the UK will

:39:23.:39:28.

According to Lord Kerr, the man who wrote Article 50, yes it could.

:39:29.:39:37.

One thing we do know, it's all going to take a very long

:39:38.:39:44.

time until the divorce officially happens.

:39:45.:39:52.

We are going to talk about all those issues in a moment. We have breaking

:39:53.:39:59.

news about the Ukip owner Aaron Banks. He said he had been suspended

:40:00.:40:04.

from Ukip. He tweets, I understand why my membership has been

:40:05.:40:11.

suspended. Interesting times. That is possibly an understatement. More

:40:12.:40:23.

reaction to come on that no doubt. We are going to take a snapshot of

:40:24.:40:26.

use from right around the UK. Four people supporting Brexit

:40:27.:40:29.

are Beverly Stein, a Ukip voter. Jack Lewy, a politics student

:40:30.:40:32.

who initially wanted to remain And Euan Blockley who is pro-leave

:40:33.:40:35.

and anti-Scottish independence. Four people who are worried

:40:36.:40:45.

about leaving the UK are Asma Butt, a recent graduate, Seyi Awikodo,

:40:46.:40:48.

who works in education, Joanna Zawadkza who is originally

:40:49.:40:53.

from Poland and is worried about her future, and Stefanie Muir,

:40:54.:40:57.

who voted remain and will vote Also with us is Lord Nigel Lawson,

:40:58.:41:02.

a former Conservative Chancellor Can Theresa May pull both these

:41:03.:41:26.

negotiations of successfully? I hope everything will work out well and it

:41:27.:41:31.

probably will, but one thing at a time. Theresa May is right, let's

:41:32.:41:34.

get Brexit has done and dusted and then we will face the issue of

:41:35.:41:39.

another Scottish independence referendum, which, incidentally, in

:41:40.:41:43.

the opinion polls show the great majority that the Scottish people do

:41:44.:41:45.

not want. I have not introduced you! Also with us is Lord Nigel Lawson,

:41:46.:41:51.

a former Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer who supports

:41:52.:41:54.

leaving the European Union, and James McGrory, co-Executive

:41:55.:41:56.

Director of Open Britain Do you think she is thinking she has

:41:57.:42:08.

to go but the referendum otherwise it will annoy people in Scotland? It

:42:09.:42:15.

might well be unwise to say no, but what is certainly crazy would be to

:42:16.:42:19.

get the two things mixed up together. It is one thing at a time.

:42:20.:42:25.

It is only three years, less than three years, since we had the last

:42:26.:42:29.

referendum. Let's get Brexit sorted out as well as we can, have it done

:42:30.:42:33.

and dusted and then we will address the Scottish issue. Stefanie, what

:42:34.:42:40.

do you think of that? Separate exit and then possibly have an

:42:41.:42:49.

independence referendum? Time is a privilege and it is a privilege we

:42:50.:42:53.

do not have in Scotland. The fact we are not getting invited into the

:42:54.:42:58.

discussions on Brexit is is a very democratic problem. Independence is

:42:59.:43:08.

probably a last resort. This is a retaliation to being cut out. I do

:43:09.:43:14.

not think there is enough time to wait. If there was an interest in

:43:15.:43:20.

preserving the union, it would have been done so earlier instead of

:43:21.:43:25.

being pushed to the limit. There is not enough time to wait. Let's say

:43:26.:43:30.

there is another second referendum on independence, how would voters in

:43:31.:43:34.

Scotland be able to compare Brexit deal with an independent future if

:43:35.:43:40.

the deal was not completed? That is the problem with a lot of things up

:43:41.:43:44.

in the air at the moment. We do not have a lot of certainty so we are

:43:45.:43:49.

trying to find our feet in a place that does not have much of a

:43:50.:43:53.

foundation. I am not sure how that would work out or how the public

:43:54.:43:57.

would respond, but it is the only way to deal with the fact that

:43:58.:44:00.

Scotland is not getting much of a voice at all at the moment. Is that

:44:01.:44:08.

right? Of course it is not right, let's be completely honest here. The

:44:09.:44:12.

devolved administrations have had a voice in the negotiations. Nicola

:44:13.:44:16.

Sturgeon has been down to Downing Street to speak to Theresa May, said

:44:17.:44:21.

the idea there has not been any conversation is preposterous. But

:44:22.:44:24.

what is the most important thing in Scotland right now is the idea that

:44:25.:44:30.

the Scottish people, as Lord Lawson said recently, the fact that there

:44:31.:44:33.

is not an appetite for a second independence referendum and the idea

:44:34.:44:38.

we will push Scotland is angering more Scots. I am bringing you

:44:39.:44:42.

breaking news to do with the Deputy Governor of the Bank of England. She

:44:43.:44:46.

has just resigned. Her name is Charlotte Hogg. She has only

:44:47.:44:49.

recently been appointed to this role. She has just resigned from her

:44:50.:44:56.

post. She was the deputy governor of the Bank of England. The Treasury

:44:57.:45:00.

Select Committee has said that her professional competence falls short

:45:01.:45:03.

of the standards required to fulfil that role. It comes a few weeks

:45:04.:45:09.

after she apologised to the Treasury Select Committee for not formally

:45:10.:45:12.

disclosing that her brother worked at Barclays and was the Barclays

:45:13.:45:16.

group strategy director would could conflict with her work on a

:45:17.:45:21.

particular committee. She had not declared a family link on a number

:45:22.:45:26.

of occasions since joining the bank in 2013. The deputy governor of the

:45:27.:45:30.

Bank of England has resigned in the last few seconds after being

:45:31.:45:33.

criticised by the Treasury Select Committee for not revealing that her

:45:34.:45:36.

brother worked at Barclays which could have been a conflict of

:45:37.:45:37.

interest. The chairman of the committee was my

:45:38.:46:05.

advisor and he and his committee have reached this conclusion and I

:46:06.:46:12.

believe it was the right one. Following recent events, Charlotte

:46:13.:46:21.

had offered her resignation. Mark Carney said he deeply regrets that

:46:22.:46:29.

she has chosen to resign. You are businessmen, wanted to remain in the

:46:30.:46:35.

EU. What do you think about the next couple of years? I would have

:46:36.:46:44.

preferred certainty but we've never had it whether we were in the EU or

:46:45.:46:47.

not. That is not necessarily the fault. We have to deal with what

:46:48.:47:01.

we've got and be optimistic. There is going to be so much uncertainty.

:47:02.:47:05.

We always have lived in uncertain times. We are just going to have an

:47:06.:47:18.

optimistic attitude. Jude she stop this? Now because it is the end of

:47:19.:47:24.

the union, if it is not then it will be another three years after that.

:47:25.:47:28.

If you want the end of the union grant a referendum. Wasn't it

:47:29.:47:32.

foreseen by David Cameron when he offered a referendum on weaving the

:47:33.:47:38.

EU? He acknowledged it would put pressure on the United Kingdom. I

:47:39.:47:44.

think he regrets a couple of referenda that he granted. He did

:47:45.:47:58.

that to grab power. He thought he would win it comfortably. I think

:47:59.:48:08.

Ukip grew from the ground up. It was a consensus across the country. We

:48:09.:48:17.

are voicing opinions and dissatisfaction, we felt we were

:48:18.:48:24.

being sidelined by the EU rules. I think you're being quite complacent

:48:25.:48:30.

in saying that it is a grassroots movement. They have a millionaire

:48:31.:48:35.

donor and they grew out of the fact that they were in opposition to the

:48:36.:48:38.

Labour Party which was failing in its heartland. It is not so much a

:48:39.:48:44.

grassroots movement, more that it came as a stand against the Tory

:48:45.:48:52.

party. Let's not go into the history of Ukip but with the future. He says

:48:53.:49:01.

you should not grant a second referendum. Is he right? We've just

:49:02.:49:05.

heard from Lord Lawson that the Scottish don't want the referendum.

:49:06.:49:10.

We don't need to give it at all then. Let's play safe and keep the

:49:11.:49:16.

union intact. You are misjudging the entire situation. Scotland is being

:49:17.:49:19.

marginalised, we are constantly being told that if you're living

:49:20.:49:23.

here then your fault will mean nothing in a general election. Once

:49:24.:49:28.

again we had an election where it was a referendum, once again the

:49:29.:49:33.

vote was ignored. I'd feel sorry if the Scots feel like that but I want

:49:34.:49:38.

to preserve the union. Is the union worth preserving when it has not got

:49:39.:49:43.

democratic values instilled in it? When you have a nation that does not

:49:44.:49:47.

get acknowledged, you cannot just ignore these people because you

:49:48.:49:54.

don't agree with them. You sound like you are enslaved. I've been

:49:55.:50:05.

there, it's not that bad. It will always be seen as a puppet

:50:06.:50:09.

parliament in Westminster. We want to preserve the union. The

:50:10.:50:17.

announcement is a product of the government's chosen course which is

:50:18.:50:21.

to pursue the hardest possible Brexit, pull us out of the single

:50:22.:50:24.

market and Customs union. It has gone down very badly in Scotland.

:50:25.:50:29.

She has been invited to meetings but had no impact in a country that has

:50:30.:50:35.

voted overwhelmingly to remain. We were assured that there is no threat

:50:36.:50:44.

and that was palpably untrue. This is nonsense about a hard Brexit.

:50:45.:50:48.

Brexit means Brexit, as Theresa May said. But that means nothing. The

:50:49.:50:58.

fact is the Scottish people voted to have a referendum in 2014 and very

:50:59.:51:03.

decisively to remain within the union. The union has been hugely

:51:04.:51:17.

successful. This is what the majority of Scots put it far things

:51:18.:51:19.

have changed dramatically. They haven't! That is a stronger reason

:51:20.:51:29.

to remain! They thought they would be financing independence with oil

:51:30.:51:36.

revenues. The fact of the matter is the SNP only exists to promote the

:51:37.:51:42.

independence agenda and they will use any agenda. Oil has been

:51:43.:51:51.

dropping for quite a while. America has started exporting oil, ignoring

:51:52.:51:59.

Opec. That forced the price down. Under Barack Obama, dear I see it.

:52:00.:52:06.

It has been steadily going down anyway so that clearly indicates

:52:07.:52:09.

because they had too much shale gas they had to find another way of

:52:10.:52:18.

maximising the revenue. We have not heard from Joanna, a Polish citizen.

:52:19.:52:23.

How do you feel? There was something I wanted to mention about the

:52:24.:52:29.

independence referendum in 2014 and how people voted. If I remember

:52:30.:52:38.

correctly, at every event before the referendum, EU nationals were told

:52:39.:52:44.

the only way for Scotland to stay in the European Union would be to vote

:52:45.:52:50.

against independence. A couple of years later, we are where we are. I

:52:51.:52:59.

have to say at least yesterday we have been guaranteed a choice, as

:53:00.:53:07.

opposed to being told what we are getting. How I feel now, like I am a

:53:08.:53:21.

patient on an operating table with no doctor at my side. I am in pain

:53:22.:53:28.

and Scott is there holding my hand saying everything is going to be OK.

:53:29.:53:37.

Thank you so much, we could talk much longer. Thank you for coming on

:53:38.:53:43.

the programme. We will bring you an exclusive interview with Jack Munro

:53:44.:53:46.

who has won a libel battle with Katie Hopkins. More on the breaking

:53:47.:54:04.

story Charlotte Hogg said she had breached the bank rules by not

:54:05.:54:11.

declaring that her... This was seen as a

:54:12.:54:29.

breach of the rules. It was not the cleared as part of her appointment.

:54:30.:54:33.

The Treasury Select Committee overseas appointments to the

:54:34.:54:38.

monetary policy committee looked again at this evidence and the

:54:39.:54:45.

question was why they had not been transparent in that. They said the

:54:46.:54:51.

mistakes were significant but not deliberate. The fact she was going

:54:52.:54:55.

to be controlling that relationship between the banks of England and the

:54:56.:54:58.

banks it controls, they said it made her position untenable, they did not

:54:59.:55:05.

back her promotion to be deputy governor and she announced that she

:55:06.:55:10.

was resigning because of the controversy around her role. It was

:55:11.:55:17.

a mistake she admitted to. I think it raises significant questions for

:55:18.:55:22.

the Bank of England governor. He was somebody talked about as the first

:55:23.:55:26.

possible female Governor of the Bank of England. Mark Carney gave her a

:55:27.:55:30.

verbal warning and considered the issue closed but the politicians in

:55:31.:55:33.

the Treasury Select Committee decided that was not enough, that

:55:34.:55:41.

her appointment should be rescinded. They will make a decision to get rid

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of her, and she has fallen on her sword. We've got her resignation

:55:48.:55:52.

letter. I'm going to read some of it. As I have said, I'm very sorry

:55:53.:55:58.

for the mistake I have made. It was an honest mistake. I fully accept it

:55:59.:56:07.

was a mistake made worse by the fact that my involvement in drafting the

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policy made it incumbent on me to get all my own declaration is

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absolutely right. In the course of a long hearing I unintentionally

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misheard as to whether I filed. I would like to apologise for that and

:56:24.:56:26.

make clear my responsibility for those errors. I have not shared

:56:27.:56:33.

confidential information or misused it in anyway. I recognise that being

:56:34.:56:37.

sorry is not enough. We should not merely but exceed the standards we

:56:38.:56:45.

are expecting of others. She offered the governor her resignation last

:56:46.:56:52.

week and today has become clear that she should insist, she says. They

:56:53.:56:59.

may be thought they could tough it out, that she could remain in the

:57:00.:57:05.

bank. She been hugely praised for bringing it more diversely. Being a

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senior woman was very important. The point made, if you are the rule

:57:16.:57:25.

maker and break those rules, it becomes untenable. The issue would

:57:26.:57:29.

have been for her, for the first time one of the commercial banks

:57:30.:57:37.

grows and break the rules. She broke the rules but was allowed to stay.

:57:38.:57:48.

Word processors transparent? This breach of the rules seems have

:57:49.:57:54.

lasted for about four years and they've asked questions about the

:57:55.:57:57.

transparency of the Bank of England. It was for her to tell the Treasury

:57:58.:58:01.

Select Committee rather than it being part of the bank's process.

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The fact that it lasted so long with no knowledge about that, they wonder

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about that. The bank has announced that there will be new rules put in

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place. We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. First,

:58:26.:58:30.

the weather. This morning we have a fairly mild start to the day and

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also a lot of cloud around. Temperatures today and any breaks in

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the cloud could well hit 19 Celsius. At the same time, we've got deals,

:58:40.:58:44.

severe gales in the far north of Scotland. -- wind. You can see from

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looking at these pictures, the cold front is heading south, more cloud

:58:50.:58:53.

and patchy rain. After a mild start across Scotland and Northern Ireland

:58:54.:58:56.

you will find the temperatures are dropping a touch. Through the cause

:58:57.:59:01.

of this morning we continue with this weather front, producing cloud.

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Some hill fog and coastal fog around the coast of Wales. The cloud will

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break and we will see sunshine. Severe gusts coupled with showers.

:59:22.:59:32.

Quite windy day across Scotland but for many of us there will be

:59:33.:59:37.

showers. We're looking at conditions across Northern Ireland. But

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remember, England and Wales seeing cloud. We could see up to 19 but in

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the cloud it is more likely 13, 14. The Cheltenham Festival, there will

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be bright weather and sunny skies. The weather front makes it down into

:00:02.:00:07.

the South and pivots. The whole lot will push eastward and patchy rain

:00:08.:00:17.

and called for a total of her contract with a mild but we had to

:00:18.:00:26.

do. We will see the weather front in the West fishing steadily eastward.

:00:27.:00:30.

Taking the cloud and the market conditions with it. Rather like

:00:31.:00:34.

today, where you see breaks in the cloak the temperatures will get up

:00:35.:00:39.

to 16, 17 Celsius. When we don't have them we are looking at around

:00:40.:00:47.

13, 15. On Thursday, this cold front comes our way. The weather will come

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in from the Atlantic. This band of rain will slowly slip southwards and

:00:52.:00:58.

you will find it turning colder. We start off with a dry and bright

:00:59.:01:03.

note. Temperatures will not be too bad in the South.

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Hello it's Tuesday, ten o clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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The deputy governor of the Bank of England resigns.

:01:29.:01:34.

Should we be seeing more armed police officers on our streets?

:01:35.:01:36.

We'll be hearing about firearms officers' rigorous training.

:01:37.:01:38.

Sometimes I go home from here of an evening and you see

:01:39.:01:41.

what is going on in the news and you just think, in a few months,

:01:42.:01:44.

if I pass this course, that could be me going out to that

:01:45.:01:47.

job, first on scene, having to discharge a weapon.

:01:48.:01:49.

We will hear from critics who think too many officers are already armed.

:01:50.:01:58.

The blogger and writer Jack Monroe talks exclusively this programme,

:01:59.:02:01.

about what it was like to win a libel case against

:02:02.:02:04.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:02:05.:02:11.

The Bank of England's newly appointed deputy governor has

:02:12.:02:16.

resigned after failing to reveal her brother holds a senior role at

:02:17.:02:22.

Barclays Bank. MPs said Charlotte Hogg's professional competence falls

:02:23.:02:25.

short of the professional competence standard required to fill the role.

:02:26.:02:32.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request

:02:33.:02:34.

to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before

:02:35.:02:38.

Scotland's First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek

:02:39.:02:49.

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year

:02:50.:02:52.

It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power

:02:53.:03:03.

to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament

:03:04.:03:04.

The House of Lords voted in favour of the legislation

:03:05.:03:08.

without reinstating amendments which were removed by the Commons.

:03:09.:03:16.

Ukip's biggest financial backer Arron Banks has announced

:03:17.:03:19.

that his membership of the party has been suspended but there

:03:20.:03:21.

was confusion over his claim a Ukip spokesman said

:03:22.:03:23.

that the millionaire's membership had lapsed earlier this year.

:03:24.:03:26.

Mr Banks, who is a close friend of former leader Nigel Farage

:03:27.:03:28.

and funded the Leave EU campaign in last year's Brexit referendum,

:03:29.:03:31.

gave ?1 million to Ukip ahead of the 2015 general election.

:03:32.:03:34.

But he has been sceptical about the leadership of Paul Nuttall

:03:35.:03:36.

and has recently spoken of founding a new political movement to "drain

:03:37.:03:39.

Norman, tell us what the implications are. More trouble and

:03:40.:03:48.

strife in Ukip as if they had not had enough. But now we have Aaron

:03:49.:03:58.

Banks saying he has been booted out of the party. He says, I understand

:03:59.:04:05.

why my Ukip membership has been suspended, interesting times lie

:04:06.:04:11.

ahead. People say he said that the current leadership could not knock

:04:12.:04:19.

the skin off a rice pudding. They are still mulling it over, say UK,

:04:20.:04:26.

and no decision has been made to boot him out. The new leader Paul

:04:27.:04:31.

Nuttall would like to talk to him about his attitude towards Ukip. Mr

:04:32.:04:36.

Banks threatened to stand against Douglas Carswell, the only Ukip MP

:04:37.:04:41.

at the last election, and there is a tussle between the new Paul Nuttall

:04:42.:04:47.

supporters and the old Nigel Farage supporters as Paul Nuttall tries to

:04:48.:04:50.

assert his authority over the party and that is what this seems to be

:04:51.:04:52.

about. Charities say they are continuing

:04:53.:04:56.

to see widespread problems with the behaviour of bailiffs

:04:57.:04:59.

towards vulnerable people in financial difficulty,

:05:00.:05:00.

despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law

:05:01.:05:03.

strengthened protection against unfair treatment,

:05:04.:05:05.

but a report by a number of charities claims the reforms have

:05:06.:05:08.

only had minimal impact. The Government intends

:05:09.:05:10.

to publish a review of how the measures are working,

:05:11.:05:12.

but says aggressive enforcement That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:13.:05:14.

News, more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us throughout

:05:15.:05:31.

the morning. This is an e-mail. I was a police firearms officer for

:05:32.:05:34.

ten years and the cause was the most intense and stressful cause I have

:05:35.:05:39.

ever completed. The public can be reassured the police officers

:05:40.:05:42.

receive the best training in the world without doubt. Training is

:05:43.:05:47.

ongoing on a monthly basis. It is vital the police continue to carry

:05:48.:05:51.

firearms for the protection of the public. Police need confidence and

:05:52.:05:55.

they are backed and supported by their fours in the event an officer

:05:56.:05:58.

discharge of the public. Please need confident they are backed and

:05:59.:06:00.

supported by their fours in the event an officer discharges their

:06:01.:06:01.

weapon. Double Olympic gold medallist John

:06:02.:06:07.

arousal has announced her retirement from international cycling. She said

:06:08.:06:10.

she had achieved everything she ever wanted, including five world titles

:06:11.:06:15.

and four European titles, a Commonwealth gold medal and two

:06:16.:06:19.

Olympic gold medals. She will continue in cycling as a coach.

:06:20.:06:24.

Manchester United manager Jose-Maria Newell told Chelsea fans he was

:06:25.:06:27.

still number one after they heckled him during their FA Cup match last

:06:28.:06:32.

night. They called him Judas. Chelsea beat Manchester United 1-0.

:06:33.:06:39.

Chelsea had to play for almost an hour with ten men after this tackle.

:06:40.:06:48.

He duly departed, but the goal was not a bad goal at all. Following

:06:49.:06:57.

Jose Mourinho's sacking from Chelsea, he was given plenty of

:06:58.:07:03.

stick. They can call me what they want. I am a professional. I defend

:07:04.:07:15.

my club. Until the moment they have a manager that wins four Premier

:07:16.:07:20.

League is for them, I am the number one. When that manager wins four

:07:21.:07:29.

Premier League, I become number two, but at the moment Judas is number

:07:30.:07:37.

one. And with women be admitted to Muirfield golf club? There is a

:07:38.:07:41.

second ballot today and it is likely to be yes. The first vote narrowly

:07:42.:07:46.

failed to achieve the vote needed. They were told they would no longer

:07:47.:07:51.

be able to host the open championship. That will be

:07:52.:07:53.

overturned if there is a positive vote today and women are admitted.

:07:54.:07:58.

This morning, as the national debate continues over whether police

:07:59.:08:05.

officers should be more routinely armed we've had exclusive access

:08:06.:08:07.

to a firearms training centre in Cheshire where officers

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It's an intensive three-month course with many officers

:08:10.:08:14.

At the moment out of a total of 130,000 police officers

:08:15.:08:19.

in England and Wales - around 7500 are firearms officers -

:08:20.:08:21.

a record number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism.

:08:22.:08:24.

We played you our full film earlier in the programme,

:08:25.:08:26.

It lasts around three minutes and contains realistic training

:08:27.:08:29.

exercises featuring hostage scenarios and repeated

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If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away

:08:32.:08:37.

These are the new recruits. Will they be up to the job? Each

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individual officer has a role. They have a role to perform when they are

:09:05.:09:09.

at the door, so we are trying to get them to memorise the roles, and the

:09:10.:09:14.

roles are so fluent, so they can form up at one door and deal with

:09:15.:09:18.

that specific area and when they come out and they have another

:09:19.:09:23.

threat, they will be in a completely different position. Recruits must

:09:24.:09:29.

prove they can handle a gun safely. Drop the gun now! They need to learn

:09:30.:09:33.

how to search buildings and confront threats. Kelly Ellis is one of the

:09:34.:09:44.

hopefuls from North Wales. My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at

:09:45.:09:48.

first, but trying to explain to them the training we get and the weapons

:09:49.:09:52.

we carry I will be more protected than I am now as a regular officer

:09:53.:09:58.

out on the streets. My friends all love the fact I am doing firearms

:09:59.:10:03.

training and they call me Lara Croft and allsorts! Everyone is really

:10:04.:10:09.

supportive. Recruits who can search buildings graduate to threats on the

:10:10.:10:13.

move. They must learn when to negotiate with an emotionally

:10:14.:10:18.

distressed suspect and when to turn to their weapon. But the weapon on

:10:19.:10:30.

the floor, mate. Get down. And this is the side of armed policing rarely

:10:31.:10:35.

seen, training to save lives using a computer-controlled simulator

:10:36.:10:40.

patient. We have got the briefing. Take that strap over his head. The

:10:41.:10:46.

trainee is no need to put all these skills together in an armed hostage

:10:47.:10:53.

scenario. Dave Alcock, one of the tutors, plays the role of the

:10:54.:10:58.

suspect. We are asking you to make the decision to eliminate a threat

:10:59.:11:04.

with a ballistic force. At the end of that we are asking you to

:11:05.:11:10.

preserve life. Up to a third of applicants fail firearms training.

:11:11.:11:16.

This time the final ten all pass. They are now qualified to carry guns

:11:17.:11:19.

and they will soon be on a street near you.

:11:20.:11:23.

Dominic Casciani is our Home Affairs Correspondent

:11:24.:11:25.

Tony Long is a former Metropolitan police firearms officer who supports

:11:26.:11:34.

Leroy Logan served 30 years in the Met Police and he's

:11:35.:11:41.

opposed to an expansion of arming the police.

:11:42.:11:46.

There was criticism from our audience. By putting this film out

:11:47.:11:51.

it is sanitising the use of firearms. I understand where people

:11:52.:11:56.

are coming from. There are concerns about how we portray armed policing

:11:57.:12:00.

and we thought long and hard about whether or not to make this film. We

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felt for some time we wanted to see in a fly on the wall weight what

:12:05.:12:08.

kind of training officers go through if they are at the serious end of

:12:09.:12:14.

armed policing. That means not just the guys hanging around at

:12:15.:12:17.

Manchester or Heathrow airport, but the men and women who have to go to

:12:18.:12:23.

critical incidents. What are they trained to do? When we got the

:12:24.:12:29.

access, we made clear we wanted to fill whatever we wanted to film and

:12:30.:12:33.

speak to whoever we wanted to speak to. The guys in the Cheshire school

:12:34.:12:38.

which is allied to North Wales were happy for us to do it and they let

:12:39.:12:43.

us get on with it and let us film what we wanted. What you see on the

:12:44.:12:47.

camera is what we saw. We try to show it how it was. And the

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background to this expansion of firearms training for officers? This

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is where the controversy is. Firearms numbers reached a high of

:12:59.:13:03.

7020 ten and then the numbers began to drop as police budgets were cut.

:13:04.:13:09.

A lot of officers started to retire. Now because certainly in the light

:13:10.:13:14.

of Paris and the taxpayer, the decision has been to lift the

:13:15.:13:19.

numbers up. In a year we will have 1500 officers and because of the

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extra number of vehicles the public will see a much work visible

:13:23.:13:27.

policing presence, certainly in the metropolitan cities. Do you back

:13:28.:13:35.

that? I believe we need to have the capacity to deal with any sort of

:13:36.:13:40.

risks to the public. If we are having an increase in the form of

:13:41.:13:44.

terrorism as we have seen in other parts of Europe, then we need to

:13:45.:13:49.

have officers armed with the commensurate firepower to eliminate

:13:50.:13:54.

that threat to the public. My issue is around on foot patrol officers

:13:55.:14:02.

being armed or having more regular arming of officers when they could

:14:03.:14:07.

be kept in vehicles or at least stations, so we do not change the

:14:08.:14:12.

look and feel of policing. We are of the world and why would we want to

:14:13.:14:17.

change that? Is there much push for foot officers to be armed or is it

:14:18.:14:21.

about training more officers in the use of firearms? This has become a

:14:22.:14:29.

bit of a grey area in some forces. There was a controversy at the back

:14:30.:14:34.

end of last year where there was a suggestion armed officers were going

:14:35.:14:38.

on patrol in parts of Scotland. The Scottish Constabulary pushed back

:14:39.:14:43.

hard and said it was not happening. Officers who were trained to carry

:14:44.:14:47.

firearms were out on the streets in a much more visible way. There are

:14:48.:14:51.

concerns from within the forces themselves. You have got to

:14:52.:14:58.

volunteer to be a firearms officer. Your average PC, your average cop,

:14:59.:15:02.

never has to go anywhere near a gun and they want that contact with the

:15:03.:15:06.

public. One of the things Chief constables say feeding back from

:15:07.:15:10.

their officers it is the lack of guns which means they are able to

:15:11.:15:12.

engage with the public. Let me add that the Met Police

:15:13.:15:24.

Federation are always banging on about officers feeling at risk. We

:15:25.:15:35.

are at risk -- we were at risk from the IRA and we did not get armed,

:15:36.:15:42.

but we canvass on a regular basis. Let me bring in a Met police

:15:43.:15:53.

firearms officer. If someone hires a massive articulated lorry and drive

:15:54.:15:57.

it into a shopping centre, I would extra firearms protect us? The

:15:58.:16:06.

reality is they would not. This is my issue. The attack in Berlin

:16:07.:16:12.

happened because the lorry got to a point when it could go no further.

:16:13.:16:20.

In Nice the lorry carried on until it was stopped by armed

:16:21.:16:25.

intervention. They were not the type that you reported on. The officers

:16:26.:16:37.

but stopped the attack were regular patrol officers. Bobbies on the beat

:16:38.:16:41.

that happened to be policing a firework events. If that was to

:16:42.:16:51.

happen in London or any major city, that lorry would travel further. I

:16:52.:17:03.

point to the Lee Rigby incident. The armed response vehicles took 15

:17:04.:17:09.

minutes to get to the sight of that. The reality was the unarmed police

:17:10.:17:14.

force we are so proud of had to stand by for 10-12 minutes. They

:17:15.:17:21.

watched the public that we are sworn to protect doing our job for us. But

:17:22.:17:33.

those members of the public that an amazing job. Absolutely but it is

:17:34.:17:38.

their job to protect the public. It is good that they enjoy the job,

:17:39.:17:44.

says Graham on Facebook, but if you're confronted by a firearms

:17:45.:17:48.

officer do not pick up your purse, mobile phone or anything else

:17:49.:17:52.

because they will kill you. They don't need to see a gun, they need

:17:53.:18:00.

to feel threatened. There is a degree of truth in that. Policemen

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do not need to see a gun. If they have good reason to believe, I made

:18:11.:18:16.

it clear that as a result of the intelligence I strongly believe him

:18:17.:18:22.

to have docked down and picked up a gun. I believe to this day the gun

:18:23.:18:29.

was recovered on the back-seat. I made it clear that it was a

:18:30.:18:44.

ludicrous situation. You were charged with murder, it took ten

:18:45.:18:50.

years to clear your name. How many people have you killed through your

:18:51.:18:59.

job? I've shot five people over a 25 year career. Three of those died,

:19:00.:19:08.

sadly. Does that keep you awake at night? Not at all. That's what you

:19:09.:19:14.

trained to do and if you're not prepared to take on that

:19:15.:19:20.

responsibility, my way of justifying it to myself, it is not in human

:19:21.:19:28.

nature to take another human being's life. They were all bad people. The

:19:29.:19:37.

first person I shot had murdered a woman and held that woman's child

:19:38.:19:41.

hostage for over 24 hours and was in the process of stabbing this

:19:42.:19:51.

four-year-old girl when I shot him. These are people who have chosen to

:19:52.:20:00.

go down a certain routes because of anger. Going back to the person that

:20:01.:20:14.

text that on that message. If young men go out to commit crime and take

:20:15.:20:20.

a firearm with them they've got to realise that the police will do

:20:21.:20:26.

their level best to arrest them safely without them being injured

:20:27.:20:35.

and police being injured. If it comes to a split-second decision

:20:36.:20:38.

they will come a preferred. It is like kids taking out lives speak --

:20:39.:20:42.

knives because they think it will make them safer. It will not. It

:20:43.:20:46.

will endanger their lives. That is the message that needs to go out.

:20:47.:20:50.

Thank you for coming on the programme. Thanks for your comments.

:20:51.:21:03.

Keith is a firearms instructor. He says armed police are necessary but

:21:04.:21:10.

99% of what the deal with are not firearms are so introducing a

:21:11.:21:13.

firearm into a non-firearms situation, when you look at the

:21:14.:21:18.

stats from these countries were officers are routinely armed, the

:21:19.:21:21.

majority of officers who shot are shot with their own weapons which

:21:22.:21:27.

are taken from them. Still to come, Theresa May might have got Brexit

:21:28.:21:32.

through the Commons but now the government faces a second referendum

:21:33.:21:35.

on Scottish independence. We will find out what that means as the UK

:21:36.:21:45.

withdraws from the EU. This morning, in an exclusive food interview, the

:21:46.:21:52.

writer and food blogger tells us how the legal action has destroyed their

:21:53.:22:00.

life. Jack Munro was offered ?24,000 in damages but it is estimated that

:22:01.:22:07.

Katie Hopkins's case could end up costing ?300,000.

:22:08.:22:10.

The case centred on a Twitter exchange in May 2015,

:22:11.:22:12.

in which Katie Hopkins suggested Jack Monroe approved

:22:13.:22:14.

of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity

:22:15.:22:17.

When Monroe, who is from an armed forces family, responded furiously

:22:18.:22:20.

and demanded ?5,000 for a migrants' charity on threat of a libel action,

:22:21.:22:25.

Hopkins deleted the original tweet but followed it up with one

:22:26.:22:28.

describing Jack Monroe as "social anthrax".

:22:29.:22:38.

Jack Monroe is here along with Mark Lewis, Jack's lawyer.

:22:39.:22:45.

Katie Hopkins said she confused you with a journalist when she sent that

:22:46.:22:50.

first tweet. What was your first reaction? I was absolutely

:22:51.:22:56.

horrified. I'm from a family with a strong Armed Forces background and I

:22:57.:23:03.

was aware of the news leading up to that tweets. The defacement of the

:23:04.:23:08.

war memorial and the public outrage. To be connected with it, I was

:23:09.:23:21.

absolutely horrified. I did not want my brother who was in the royal air

:23:22.:23:37.

Force connected either. So you said, I don't believe that, make a

:23:38.:23:41.

donation to charity. Were you surprised when she didn't? Few

:23:42.:23:45.

things happened in between that. I corrected her. Quite strong terms.

:23:46.:23:50.

Secondly I said I'm asking you to delete this and if I ask you again

:23:51.:23:53.

it will be through a lawyer. Because she did not respond to either of

:23:54.:23:59.

those, I decided to flex a bit of muscle, make her do something that

:24:00.:24:05.

will make her respond. Initially, the ?5,000 was flippant, I wanted to

:24:06.:24:12.

prod her and get her to respond. I left slightly more polite requests

:24:13.:24:16.

when she didn't respond. Were you surprised when she didn't take you

:24:17.:24:21.

up on that? I was and I wasn't. What abuse did you receive as a result of

:24:22.:24:27.

her tweaks? It was an endless torrent of messages. I knew there

:24:28.:24:40.

were people who felt strongly about the forces and if they thought I was

:24:41.:24:46.

connected they would hurl a lot of mud at me. There were things I could

:24:47.:24:52.

not respond to on this programme. It is so colourful, abusive. I had lots

:24:53.:25:00.

of people sending the awful messages. Including death threats.

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Give us an insight without using that language. People sending

:25:08.:25:15.

pictures of nurses. It sounds trite when you're talking about that but

:25:16.:25:18.

when you're caught in the middle of that storm, your phone is flashing

:25:19.:25:24.

up with people calling you every name under the sun and telling you

:25:25.:25:26.

that you are the worst human being in the world, it permeates every

:25:27.:25:39.

corner of your life. The impact of the abuse as a result of those

:25:40.:25:43.

tweets, what has that been on your personal life? It has been

:25:44.:25:50.

stressful. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. It has been almost two

:25:51.:26:04.

years. I've got to delve back down that rabbit hole. I had stress on my

:26:05.:26:19.

personal life. I've not been in a relationship, because everybody

:26:20.:26:25.

thought I was mad to take her on. It has been stressful maths and on

:26:26.:26:30.

Friday the first feeling from walking out, complete shellshock

:26:31.:26:38.

that it was over. Why did you take her on? She said something about me

:26:39.:26:50.

that was not only untrue but not even remotely true about the core of

:26:51.:27:03.

who I am and what I am made of. I have never vandalised anything let

:27:04.:27:04.

alone a war memorial. I was devastated that one person

:27:05.:27:22.

would believe this about me. I felt my reputation was ruined and I had

:27:23.:27:30.

no choice but to respond to it. And the judge ruled that the tweets

:27:31.:27:34.

caused you real and substantial distress and you are entitled to

:27:35.:27:39.

fear and reasonable compensation but also that your reputation had not

:27:40.:27:42.

necessarily suffer gravely but the publication of the tweaks caused

:27:43.:27:47.

serious harm to your reputation. Some untreated, very satisfying to

:27:48.:27:54.

see the rectory discussed. Trevor says, I think Jack Munro is terrific

:27:55.:28:00.

for taking on that nasty piece of work, Katie Hopkins. Well done. --

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Nice. Let me bring in Mark Lewis. Will the successful conclusion of

:28:09.:28:13.

this case encourage more people to take action for Twitter libel? It

:28:14.:28:21.

has certainly helped coin the phrase of Twibel. There are professional

:28:22.:28:25.

trawls, the likes of Katie Hopkins, who will go against people. What she

:28:26.:28:29.

did with Jack was set her followers on her. She claims free speech but

:28:30.:28:36.

she is the one who would not enter into an argument or say sorry. She

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just set lots of people on her. She knew what she was doing. The final

:28:41.:28:46.

costs are yet to be established but Katie Hopkins has to pay your legal

:28:47.:28:53.

bill as well as her own, what do you think of that? She could have very

:28:54.:29:00.

easily avoided the situation. That the steep bill to pay and

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unimaginable to me. It is the price of not saying sorry. She could have

:29:13.:29:17.

said that at the beginning but she did not. The second was an act of

:29:18.:29:23.

defiance. She was so keen of not seeing it she said it is deserved,

:29:24.:29:28.

what is the difference. That's why she had to pay more. If she stopped,

:29:29.:29:33.

it would have not cost her a penny. She did not stop. After she lost,

:29:34.:29:41.

she tweeted a picture of her looking like this, dressed up as what

:29:42.:29:48.

appears to be the Virgin Mary. She says she sees herself as the Jesus

:29:49.:29:52.

of the outspoken. What do you think of that? She is verging on the

:29:53.:30:04.

ridiculous. I cannot see any of her values being any values I remember

:30:05.:30:10.

from the Bible. It takes a certain kind of person to compare themselves

:30:11.:30:15.

to a deity. That is all you need to say about that. What are your

:30:16.:30:24.

thoughts towards her? I feel quite compassionate and sympathetic

:30:25.:30:27.

because nobody needs a ?300,000 legal bill and I had no idea when I

:30:28.:30:40.

started this, what lawyers cost, and I think I've emerged the victor and

:30:41.:30:50.

had a lot of public support. I cannot even begin to imagine how she

:30:51.:30:57.

feels at the moment. I bear no ill will towards and I've told my

:30:58.:30:59.

followers not to be unkind or abusive. I hope it means people will

:31:00.:31:04.

be a bit kinder to each other on the Internet. This will undo all that.

:31:05.:31:13.

Claudia says that on Twitter, Katie Hopkins should have paid more. Maybe

:31:14.:31:19.

people will learn lessons from this. Graham said, we love you, many of us

:31:20.:31:26.

are victims of a hateful mob. This week says Jack is amazing. Katie

:31:27.:31:32.

Hopkins is a bully and a trawl. The lesson is if you make a mistake

:31:33.:31:46.

on Twitter and say something defamatory, make an apology. Very

:31:47.:31:50.

quickly say sorry and moved in from it. Thank you both very much for

:31:51.:31:58.

coming in. Now the latest news headlines.

:31:59.:32:01.

The Bank of England's newly appointed deputy governor,

:32:02.:32:02.

Charlotte Hogg, has resigned after MPs criticised her for failing

:32:03.:32:08.

to reveal that her brother holds a senior role at Barclays Bank.

:32:09.:32:11.

MPs said Charlotte Hogg's professional competence fell short

:32:12.:32:13.

of the standards required to fulfil her role.

:32:14.:32:15.

They found that Ms Hogg failed over a period of nearly

:32:16.:32:17.

four years to comply with the Bank's Code of Conduct.

:32:18.:32:20.

Theresa May seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request

:32:21.:32:22.

to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence before

:32:23.:32:25.

Scotland's First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek

:32:26.:32:30.

permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year

:32:31.:32:32.

It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power

:32:33.:32:37.

to trigger Brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament

:32:38.:32:39.

The House of Lords voted in favour of the legislation

:32:40.:32:44.

without reinstating amendments which were removed by the Commons.

:32:45.:32:50.

Ukip's biggest financial backer Arron Banks has announced

:32:51.:32:52.

that his membership of the party has been suspended, but there

:32:53.:32:55.

was confusion over his claim, as a Ukip spokesman said

:32:56.:32:57.

that the millionaire's membership had lapsed earlier this year.

:32:58.:33:01.

Mr Banks, who is a close friend of former leader Nigel Farage,

:33:02.:33:04.

and funded the Leave EU campaign in last year's Brexit referendum,

:33:05.:33:07.

gave ?1 million to Ukip ahead of the 2015 general election.

:33:08.:33:11.

But he has been sceptical about the leadership of Paul Nuttall

:33:12.:33:15.

and has recently spoken of founding a new political movement

:33:16.:33:17.

to "drain the swamp" of Westminster politics.

:33:18.:33:27.

A severely disabled man born from incestuous rape has lost his Court

:33:28.:33:32.

of Appeal fight to claim compensation. The 29-year-old man

:33:33.:33:36.

whose mother was abused with her own father was born with a genetic

:33:37.:33:41.

disorder and has epilepsy, severe learning and developmental

:33:42.:33:44.

difficulties and hearing and sight problems. The Court of Appeal

:33:45.:33:48.

decision overturned a ruling by the other tribunal last year that the

:33:49.:33:53.

man was eligible for a reward under the criminal injuries compensation

:33:54.:33:58.

scheme. Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock.

:33:59.:34:04.

Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to join the semifinals of the

:34:05.:34:10.

FA Cup. There was a sending off for her error for this second yellow

:34:11.:34:15.

card. There was also a great winning goal to win it 1-0. Jose Mourinho

:34:16.:34:21.

received plenty of criticism on the touchline with both managers having

:34:22.:34:26.

to be separated at times. Double Olympic gold medallist join arousal

:34:27.:34:30.

announced her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles,

:34:31.:34:34.

one of those pictured here. She won two gold medals in London and in

:34:35.:34:43.

rear. We are expected to hear today whether women will be admitted to

:34:44.:34:47.

Muirfield golf club. It is likely to be a yes vote which means Muirfield

:34:48.:34:54.

could host the open championship. Liverpool and Birmingham have

:34:55.:34:57.

expressed an interest in hosting the common wealth games in 2022. They

:34:58.:35:04.

were supposed to be held in Durban, but financial difficulties means the

:35:05.:35:07.

federation is looking for a new host city.

:35:08.:35:08.

Theresa May looks set to reject Nicola Sturgeon's request to hold

:35:09.:35:14.

a second referendum on Scottish independence before the process

:35:15.:35:16.

It comes as the Brexit secretary, David Davis, confirms Article 50

:35:17.:35:22.

will be triggered by the end of the month to begin

:35:23.:35:25.

the formal process of leaving the European Union.

:35:26.:35:28.

# World, the time has come to push that button.

:35:29.:35:30.

The British people have spoken and the answer is we are out.

:35:31.:35:42.

The UK is about to take its next big step towards Brexit.

:35:43.:35:59.

This will happen when Theresa May triggers Article 50,

:36:00.:36:02.

which means she will start the formal process of the UK

:36:03.:36:05.

Negotiations with the EU will begin shortly after.

:36:06.:36:10.

No, nothing will change today, tomorrow, next week or next month.

:36:11.:36:15.

The UK will remain a member of the EU for up to two years,

:36:16.:36:19.

EU laws and rules, including the freedom

:36:20.:36:23.

Very long and very complex negotiations will take place

:36:24.:36:27.

Think of it like an ongoing divorce case, where the two sides

:36:28.:36:34.

will discuss rights for Brits living abroad, cross-border security

:36:35.:36:36.

The UK is currently in the European single market, a system designed

:36:37.:36:43.

to help businesses by removing barriers to trade.

:36:44.:36:45.

Theresa May wants to exit this system.

:36:46.:36:48.

She says being part of it would mean the UK could not

:36:49.:36:51.

Instead, she wants to enter a customs union with the EU,

:36:52.:36:57.

a different kind of trade agreement, but will the other side agree?

:36:58.:37:07.

There is a two-year limit for negotiations to be completed.

:37:08.:37:11.

Although this can be extended, but only if all other EU

:37:12.:37:14.

If no agreement is reached in time, the UK will

:37:15.:37:21.

According to the man who wrote Article 50, yes, it could,

:37:22.:37:29.

It will take a very long time until the divorce

:37:30.:37:43.

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP is the SNP spokesperson for Trade

:37:44.:37:50.

and Investment in Westminster, and Dominic Raab who's

:37:51.:37:52.

a Conservative MP and was part of the official Vote Leave Campaign.

:37:53.:37:57.

It was David Cameron who set the wheels in motion for the second

:37:58.:38:03.

Scotland independence referendum. He acknowledged a vote for leaving the

:38:04.:38:06.

EU would see pressure for that second referendum. We knew from the

:38:07.:38:12.

SNP itself they had made this one of the things they were going to

:38:13.:38:16.

campaign on. What is surprising and telling is the SNP and Nicola

:38:17.:38:20.

Sturgeon came out all guns blazing saying they want to have a second

:38:21.:38:23.

referendum before we know the outcome of the Brexit negotiations

:38:24.:38:28.

with the EU. They will be quite a few people north of the border who

:38:29.:38:32.

would like to know what that choice is before they have the referendum.

:38:33.:38:37.

That is a good point. You cannot have a real discussion, you cannot

:38:38.:38:44.

have that independence referendum sensibly until the Brexit deal is

:38:45.:38:48.

complete. Dominik did not listen to a word the First Minister said. The

:38:49.:38:54.

time frame she suggested, or to year up to spring 2019, by that time we

:38:55.:39:05.

should have an idea of the way things are going. Not necessarily.

:39:06.:39:10.

Despite UK ministers giving us assurances... We should have a final

:39:11.:39:19.

deal. What about businesses and EU nationals are waiting for an outcome

:39:20.:39:25.

with this? Wait until the final deal so people can have an informed

:39:26.:39:29.

choice. By that time Scotland will be presented with two clear choices.

:39:30.:39:35.

One about what Brexit will look like and the other option for Scotland.

:39:36.:39:40.

What kind of a country do we want to be? Genuinely giving people in

:39:41.:39:43.

Scotland a choice. At the end of the day they have not been given a

:39:44.:39:48.

choice, they did not vote to leave the European Union. The Prime

:39:49.:39:50.

Minister has had ample opportunities to look at Scotland in Europe and

:39:51.:39:57.

has ignored it completely. A meeting was cancelled on a whim. It is about

:39:58.:40:02.

time people of Scotland were given some respect and the way we do that

:40:03.:40:07.

is this. We have been left with no option. The government has not

:40:08.:40:10.

budged an inch, they did not look at or accept any of our amendments and

:40:11.:40:16.

they wanted to ride roughshod over Scotland's amendments. It is only

:40:17.:40:19.

right the First Minister has done what she could only do in this

:40:20.:40:24.

situation. The Prime Minister has to be careful in the way she responds?

:40:25.:40:30.

Yes, I think so, not least on the Brexit negotiations. We are poised

:40:31.:40:34.

to start this two-year period you covered in your plate and there are

:40:35.:40:39.

a huge amount of positive as well. We want to get the best deal for

:40:40.:40:42.

every nation in the UK, on things like this whiskey, financial

:40:43.:40:48.

services, big exports for the people of Scotland, and we want to take

:40:49.:40:52.

powers from Brussels and there will be opportunity to devolve further

:40:53.:40:57.

powers to Scotland. You have to wait until the end of the process so you

:40:58.:41:01.

can see the full deal if you want to have another referendum in Scotland.

:41:02.:41:06.

We were told the referendum in Scotland in 2014 was once in a

:41:07.:41:12.

generation by the SNP. Things have changed dramatically since then, not

:41:13.:41:17.

least the collapse in the oil price. The UK wide approach that was wanted

:41:18.:41:23.

by the Prime Minister is so wide that we do not even know when

:41:24.:41:28.

Article 50 will be trickled -- triggered. We do know, it is the end

:41:29.:41:36.

of March. You are going all guns blazing. We well know by the end of

:41:37.:41:43.

March that we will start the negotiations. To say Nicola Sturgeon

:41:44.:41:46.

does not know when Brexit negotiations will start is false. We

:41:47.:41:52.

have been clear from the start. We presented a compromise agreement to

:41:53.:41:56.

the government. Scotland voted to stay in the EU, however we were

:41:57.:42:00.

prepared to reach an agreement within the constitutional framework

:42:01.:42:03.

to stay with in the UK if Scotland could stay in the single market and

:42:04.:42:07.

the Prime Minister has ignored us completely. How much of a gamble is

:42:08.:42:13.

this for Nicola Sturgeon? I do not think it is a gamble at all. The

:42:14.:42:17.

First Minister has to do what is best for Scotland. She is doing what

:42:18.:42:21.

is best for the people of this country and they will have the

:42:22.:42:24.

opportunity to make a decision. Thank you very much. A former prison

:42:25.:42:31.

employee who was convicted of smuggling phones for inmates has

:42:32.:42:33.

claimed he was never searched at work. He is called James Ormond and

:42:34.:42:41.

he worked in Rutland and he has been speaking exclusively to our home

:42:42.:42:45.

affairs correspondent. What did he tell you? He said he had got a job

:42:46.:42:55.

at the prison with an agency and was initially recruited to do

:42:56.:42:58.

non-prisoner rolls, he was escorting building renovators, so he had no

:42:59.:43:04.

contact with prisoners at the start. Then his role developed and he

:43:05.:43:08.

started having to guard prisoners, to guard the classrooms where they

:43:09.:43:13.

were taking courses, and do some random searches of prisoners. During

:43:14.:43:18.

that time he got talking to an inmate and they started chatting

:43:19.:43:22.

about football and things like that. Eventually the conversation

:43:23.:43:26.

developed and this inmate started to tell him that he wanted him to bring

:43:27.:43:30.

in a mobile phone. This is what he told me. I felt vulnerable in the

:43:31.:43:37.

role, especially because at the time I was suffering very heavily with

:43:38.:43:43.

depression. My father had passed away. That is the kind of thing

:43:44.:43:47.

these prisoners can pick up on easily. They have a lot of time to

:43:48.:43:52.

think. He kept asking daily and became aggressive at times. He said,

:43:53.:44:02.

I will have you followed, I will have somebody hurt your answer. He

:44:03.:44:06.

said, I know about your niece and nephew. Those threats really worried

:44:07.:44:13.

him and he claimed he eventually gave in to those threats and he

:44:14.:44:17.

agreed to bring in a mobile telephone for the prisoner. He got

:44:18.:44:21.

?500 for taking the package in. It is possible that package also

:44:22.:44:27.

contained the potent cannabis spice. He never looked inside it, but it is

:44:28.:44:33.

possible it contained drugs. In total he took in four packages for

:44:34.:44:37.

this prisoner. He said it was easy to get the parcels into prison.

:44:38.:44:43.

There was that point am I going to get somebody coming to my house?

:44:44.:44:49.

This gentleman was in prison for armed robbery. I did not know what

:44:50.:44:54.

he was capable of. Taking that flowed into the prison it was a

:44:55.:45:01.

calculated risk that that was not going to be the day that they

:45:02.:45:05.

decided they were going to do a Star search. I was playing it nice and

:45:06.:45:09.

cool and being normal walking through the gate. He was eventually

:45:10.:45:14.

caught. The conversations he was having with the prisoner aroused

:45:15.:45:19.

suspicions amongst the colleagues and he confessed in front of the

:45:20.:45:25.

governor and he was sentenced and he spent three months in prison and is

:45:26.:45:27.

now managing to rebuild his life. He led a national unit tackling

:45:28.:45:43.

corruption and describes it as an inconvenient truth. Also with us,

:45:44.:45:47.

Tracey McMann, who founded a project working with women transitioning out

:45:48.:45:52.

of jail and says the stories of contraband are rampant. And Mike is

:45:53.:45:57.

a prison officer and national chair for the union for prison officers.

:45:58.:46:06.

If you want to join us over here... John, how serious is this issue of

:46:07.:46:15.

corruption in jails? It is a very serious issue and is getting worse

:46:16.:46:21.

as we've lost staff. We've lost a lot of experience. What do we need

:46:22.:46:30.

to do about it? Acknowledge there is a problem. There is corruption in

:46:31.:46:34.

the media, in sport, why wouldn't there be corruption in prisons? We

:46:35.:46:38.

need to wake up and smell the copy. We need much more in the way of

:46:39.:46:43.

training and the way of resources. We need to investigate staff. How

:46:44.:46:54.

often are you pressurised into smuggling stuff into jail? It is

:46:55.:47:00.

true that there are periods where prisoners will try it on. Does it

:47:01.:47:10.

happen to you? Nine out of ten times it is a joke. It starts off as a

:47:11.:47:15.

joke. Most prison staff are trained to deal with it and I don't accept

:47:16.:47:21.

it is rife within presence. Most prison officers turn up because they

:47:22.:47:25.

are honest and have integrity. The last thing they want to do is see

:47:26.:47:37.

corruption and Co. Is round. The estimate is five in every prison.

:47:38.:47:43.

The vast majority are professional and full of integrity. There is a

:47:44.:47:47.

small minority, and they have a disproportionate effect. The working

:47:48.:47:55.

assumption is in every prison across England and Wales 3-5 staff are

:47:56.:48:02.

corrupt. That is out of a total workforce of 60,000. What are you

:48:03.:48:08.

being told about contraband inside? It is not a conversation that

:48:09.:48:19.

naturally emerges. Women who often come back to East Lancashire. These

:48:20.:48:23.

conversations, naturally, in their head, from what we are hearing and

:48:24.:48:27.

for anybody that knows about the prisoners, women make 5% of prison

:48:28.:48:37.

population. It is a scattered and fractured estate. The women coming

:48:38.:48:45.

back through the gates, often serving short sentences, there is a

:48:46.:48:59.

staff problem and a small... What other women telling you? It comes in

:49:00.:49:08.

through the post, to visitors, to counteract staff corruption, we are

:49:09.:49:12.

getting it through the mail and from visits, drugs are coming in, they

:49:13.:49:18.

are prescribed, but also heroin replacements, that is what we call

:49:19.:49:28.

currency within the present estate. Those are going round, selling for

:49:29.:49:38.

large amounts. It is easy to transport from one person to

:49:39.:49:46.

another. You don't need formal qualifications. You can... You will

:49:47.:49:58.

not find any sympathy from fellow prison staff. They will try to turn

:49:59.:50:03.

up and do their job with integrity. This undermines that. I think Tracy

:50:04.:50:16.

touches on some valid points. Prisoners sometimes will distracts

:50:17.:50:26.

from real trafficking routes, they are blaming staff because of two

:50:27.:50:30.

reasons, one because it takes the focus away from their activities and

:50:31.:50:37.

the prison staff but also it negates any sort of charges. The issue must

:50:38.:50:44.

be investigated. No charges are brought against the prisoner. Having

:50:45.:50:48.

been a prison governor at three prisons have you come across people

:50:49.:50:52.

who joined the prison service in order to make money this way? Being

:50:53.:51:00.

paid to smuggle stuff into prisons? I carried out an investigation when

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I was at Brixton and somebody joined who had been a prisoner two years

:51:05.:51:09.

beforehand. He was an illegal immigrant. Those cases RA. I think

:51:10.:51:16.

what this programme has highlighted is the vulnerability of staff. I

:51:17.:51:20.

would disagree with talk of training. The training is the

:51:21.:51:26.

shortest in the world. We should be in mind that the prison staff is not

:51:27.:51:33.

just people in uniform. The workforce is complex. I don't think

:51:34.:51:39.

any of those get any training at all to help them with the threat is

:51:40.:51:48.

highlighted in the programme. Thank you very much, everybody. Let me ask

:51:49.:51:53.

you before you go, the latest prison figures. These are compelled by the

:51:54.:52:02.

Council of Europe and they show that Britain imprisons more people than

:52:03.:52:05.

virtually any other country in Europe apart from Russia or Turkey,

:52:06.:52:17.

around 45 in the Council of Europe. A higher proportion of those in jail

:52:18.:52:23.

in England and Wales are six offenders, people sentenced for

:52:24.:52:28.

violence crimes and life imprisonment, much greater in the UK

:52:29.:52:34.

than elsewhere. Thank you for coming on the programme. Really appreciate

:52:35.:52:37.

it. Much more on corruption in jails. The investigation will be on

:52:38.:52:48.

Radio 4 tonight. The top court has ruled this morning that companies

:52:49.:52:52.

can ban staff from wearing religious or political symbols including

:52:53.:52:58.

headscarves. Our Paris correspondent can fill us in. This was a case

:52:59.:53:04.

featuring two women, one from France and one from Belgium. Tell us more.

:53:05.:53:10.

It very, the kid. I've been reading the ruling and it is impenetrable

:53:11.:53:13.

but I think I've got my brain round it. Ever-2-mac cases. One was a

:53:14.:53:25.

woman who worked as a receptionist. Back in 2006, she had a religious

:53:26.:53:34.

conversion, started wearing a headscarf and she was fired. The

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other case was a woman who worked as a consultant analyst and when a

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client said they wanted to have this woman without a headscarf, the

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company employer asked her to remove it, she refused and was sacked. In

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both cases it has gone to the High Court of two different countries,

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and said, we don't understand this directive. Can you give some

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guidance? It has not ruled in these cases and has given guidance. The

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guidance is that if there is a pre-existing rule in the company,

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that says you cannot show this display, then it is possible to ask

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a person to remove her headscarf but not possible on an ad hoc basis to

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produced this idea and say we are thinking that you are putting the

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clients off. It all comes down to this idea of whether there is a

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pre-existing policy. If there was, according to their interpretation,

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it is possible to insist that she take off the headscarf. Does it

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apply to the UK? Why not? As long as Britain was within the EU this

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ruling has application. Two things. This is guidance, not the court

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saying you've got it wrong. You interpret it your way. This is how

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we see the directive. These cases go back a decade or more. This kind of

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issue, it would drag on and drag on. By the time it came round, Britain

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might have left. Let us go. How do you react to this? I am frustrated

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and deeply disturbed by the guidance coming out of Europe at the moment.

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We were talking about headscarf is. It is not just about Muslim dress,

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it is about political and philosophical symbols. Which seemed

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to disproportionately involved cases of Muslim women. Looking at the

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stats, it disproportionately impact Muslim women more than men, the

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guidance it could have on our communities. What could it do? The

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message it sends out is that diversity is not welcome in Europe

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and if the concern is about national security I would say... You think if

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this is a case of women wearing crosses and the company asked them

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to remove it, strict company policy, you would feel the same? I would. I

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want to know how it is that these impact on a woman's ability to do

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their job. The second woman was an IT consultant. At no point was there

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a mention of their incompetency in the ability to do the job. That was

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what was most frustrating because women should not be discriminated

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against. The fact that they are women, who belong to particular

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thing, because of what they're wearing. I am going to pause you

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because it is the end of the programme but thank you so much

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