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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
This morning, why was a vulnerable 15-year-old girl removed | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
from her safe and loving foster family without any warning or even | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
We'll speak to the couple who had cared for the girl they brought up | :00:19. | :00:27. | |
After six years, they've finally been given an apology | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
After six years. We'll talk to them shortly. | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
Also on the programme, living in their trucks and claims | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
The truck drivers transporting your Ikea goods. | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
Look at the conditions. In many places there is no parking. There is | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
no toilet. No running water. This is not a good life. It is a | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
catastrophe. We'll bring you the full | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
exclusive story shortly. And the Royal Marine who shot dead | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan will learn the result | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
of an appeal against his murder Throughout the morning we'll bring | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
you the latest breaking news The latest unemployment figures | :01:06. | :01:25. | |
are due out in the next half hour. We'll also bring you the outcome | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
of some interesting court cases. A little later a mother of five | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
who was left out of her own mother's will will find out whether she's | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
entitled to any of the 6 figure sum her mother left | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
to three animal charities. It is a lengthy legal case which has | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
gone on for years now. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
we're talking about this morning - use #Victoria Live and if you text, | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
you will be charged Our top story today, | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
an investigation by this programme and Radio 4's Today programme has | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
found that lorry drivers moving goods in Western Europe for Ikea | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
and other retailers are living out The truckers, who are employed | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
by haulage firms based in Eastern Europe, say they can't | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
afford to live in the countries where they're actually | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
working and driving, What have you found Zoe? Well, it is | :02:23. | :02:34. | |
extraordinary. We spent four months on the road in Germany, Denmark and | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
Sweden and in the Netherlands and we went to truck stops and we met | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
drivers and they're being minibused into Western Europe to work for | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
months on end moving goods for a number of companies including IKEA | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
and they're minibused back again. They are spending months on the road | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
at a time, they are washing, sleeping and eating in their cabs. | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
One of the most extraordinary scenes was outside the IKEA warehouse in | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
Dortmund, the biggest in the world, we found truck drivers cooking and | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
butchering chickens and cooking omelettes and hanging out their | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
washing. It was like a campsite. It was an extraordinary thing to watch. | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
Why are they living like this? We met people on 150 euros a month | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
salary and Romanians on 250. They get expenses between 30 to 50 euros, | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
around ?40 a day which sounds like a lot, but actually, out of that, they | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
have got to pay for hotels and meals and if you're living in a really | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
expensive country like Denmark or Germany that doesn't go very far and | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
if you are on a wage of let's say ?100 a week, well then you're going | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
to use the expenses to top it up. So that's why some of them are talking | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
about feeling imprisoned in their cabs. What does IKEA say? They say | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
they take our report seriously and they say that they're piloting an | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
investigation into their subcontracting chain. We are talking | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
about big hauliers who are subcontracting this out to companies | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
in Eastern Europe and so IKEA are taking very seriously what we're | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
saying. You can see Zoe's film after 9.30am. | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
A rare glimpse into President Trump's private | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
finances has emerged with the leak of his | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
He refused to make the documents public | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
during his election campaign and was accused by Hillary Clinton | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
But the US TV network MSNBC has now published two | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
Presenter Rachel Maddow disclosed the numbers. | :04:45. | :04:58. | |
Aside from the numbers being large, these | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
He took a big write-down of $103 million. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
If you add up the lines for income, he made more than $150 | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
The people of the Netherlands are voting in the first of three | :05:12. | :05:19. | |
crucial elections in Europe this year which are being viewed | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
as important tests of the popularity of nationalist parties. | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
The anti-Islam, anti-EU, far-right leader Geert Wilder's | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
party performed best in polls leading up to the vote, but his | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
The Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutter, has said the election | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
is an opportunity for voters to "beat the wrong | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
A Conservative MP has been questioned for six hours by police, | :05:43. | :05:50. | |
about the expenses he claimed during his general | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
Craig MacKinlay beat the former Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
He submitted expenses for ?15,000 which is just under the legal limit. | :05:58. | :06:09. | |
With us now is our political correspondent Iain Watson. | :06:10. | :06:10. | |
Craig McKinlay beat Nigel Farage narrowly. It was a major target seat | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
of the his election expenses are beneath the legal limit, but this is | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
significant because if there were any evidence of wrongdoing and I say | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
if, then MPs can be disqualified and elections re-run and Nigel Farage | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
has indicated that he'd be willing to restand again in Kent. So we may | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
well see his return if this investigation was to conclude in a | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
way that wasn't favourable to Craig McKinlay. He denied any wrongdoing, | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
this is significant because, of course, Theresa May has a narrow | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
Parliamentary majority and there are 17 separate investigations going on | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
into election expenses around the country and in a separate | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
development, the Lincoln MP, Karl McCartney has been complaining about | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
the attitude of Conservative Party staff at head office. He suggested | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
he and his colleagues have been cast adrift during these investigations | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
and people at central office have been covering their own backs. So, I | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
think, that level of frustration shows how concerned some MPs and | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
indeed the police questioning someone under caution shows how | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
seriously they're taking the investigations, but no one has | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
charged and the investigations are continuing. Thank you, Iain. | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
A major appeal has been launched to help sixteen million people | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
facing starvation in what's being described as "the worst famine | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
The Disasters Emergency Committee, which is made up of | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
13 UK aid agencies, says drought and conflict | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
are to blame for the crisis which has left tens of thousands | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
of children at risk of starving to death. | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
The United Nations says the crisis in the four | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
affected countries - Nigeria, South Sudan, | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
Somalia and Yemen - is the worst since the Second World | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
Our Diplomatic Correspondent James Landale has more. | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
The Disasters Emergency Committee says drought and conflict has left | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
millions in East Africa in immediate need of food, water | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Across South Sudan, Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia, it says | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
16 million people don't know when they are next going to eat. | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
More than 800,000 children are severely malnourished, | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
The 13 aid agencies that make up the Disasters Emergency Committee | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
are already on the ground, delivering clean drinking water | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
But they are now appealing to the public for funds, | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
so they can do even more to help these people. | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
The Government has already promised ?200 million in emergency aid | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
for South Sudan and Somalia, and the International Development | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
Secretary, Priti Patel, said her department would match | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
the first ?5 million donated by the public in the new appeal. | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
She also urged other countries to follow Britain's lead, | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
before the crisis became what she called a stain | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
The world, she said, cannot afford to wait. | :08:50. | :09:02. | |
Police in Goa in India say they've found the body of a female | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
The body of the victim, believed to be in her late twenties, | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
was found in an isolated spot on Tuesday and police | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
say they are treating the death as murder. | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
Local reports suggest the woman was Irish. | :09:17. | :09:17. | |
A Royal Marine who shot and killed an injured Taliban fighter | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
in Afghanistan in 2011, will learn the result of an appeal | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
Sergeant Alexander Blackman was sentenced to life in prison. | :09:23. | :09:33. | |
But new psychiatric evidence has since emerged | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
that he was suffering from mental illness at the time of the killing | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
A group of men - who were filmed posing for a Mannequin Challenge - | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
are being sought in connection with two robberies in Salford. | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
The video was found on a phone in a car driven | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
It was made shortly after one of the crimes took place. | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
Officers said footage of the social media challenge was discovered | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
on the mobile in a Ford Focus used to flee the scene | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
Australian authorities have warned about the dangers | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
of using battery-powered devices on flights after a woman's | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
headphones caught fire, leaving her with a blackened | :10:07. | :10:07. | |
The woman was dozing on a flight from Beijing to Melbourne | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
when she was woken by the sound of an explosion and felt burning. | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
It's thought a fault with a lithium-ion battery | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :10:18. | :10:26. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :10:27. | :10:44. | |
Use #Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
Let's get some sport with Tim Hague - and Leicester City fans have | :10:47. | :11:00. | |
to wait until friday to see who'll they'll face in the Champions League | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
quarter finals after last night's victory. | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
Wes Morgan got the first. Leicester lost the first leg in Spain 2-1. The | :11:10. | :11:17. | |
victory last night sent them through on aggregate. It was pretty nervy at | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
times. They villa have won the Europa League for the last three | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
seasons and were a constant threat. Not only hitting the crossbar, but | :11:30. | :11:39. | |
missing a penalty too. Kasper Schmeichel saved one. His dad, | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Peter, infamous in the English game, celebrating like he'd saved it! | :11:45. | :12:04. | |
Wes Morgan, the captain and scorer last night simply says: "Just wow" | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
Andy King wrote "Unbelievable performance from the boys. | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
What a night, Leicester city into the last eight of the champions | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
league" and Christian Fuchs put "No words needed. | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
Gary Johnson is a leicester City fan who's | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
a friend of the show having done a video blog during their title | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
Gary, how are you feeling? I don't think, all the Leicester fans in the | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
stadium last night, around the world, wherever you were watching, | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
no one has got a voice left this morning. It was a fantastic evening | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
at the King Power stadium. I tell you what, the fairytale continues. | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
Did you believe Gary beforehand that Leicester could pull this off to get | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
through? This is Leicester City we're talking about! I wouldn't, | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
after last season, after the previous years that we've had, we've | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
come from League one and we've made our way up and become champions of | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
the championship and become Premier League champions, I was never going | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
to say that this wouldn't happen. A lot of the media, a lot of the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
public and managers have been on record saying that Leicester City | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
are going to get knocked out and here we are and we're in the last | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
eight. Gary, I'm loving that flag in the background. Who do you want in | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
the next round then Gary? Well, they were talking about this last night | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
because we're at a stage where there is big cluns left and of course, | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
there was always big clubs in the Champions League, but we're getting | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
to it the nitty-gritty. I would like to go to Barcelona to see our team | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
play the very best. I have got a suspicion that we may end up at Man | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
City. And Champions League win or League title, Gary? The impossible | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
question! I tell you, as I say, we never ever dreamt that we would get | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
that trophy that's sitting behind me here on the flag, before mind into | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
the last eight. Let's just keep focus on the task in hand. We need | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
to stay in the League. This is a journey and an adventure that is | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
just creating magic at every opportunity. Who knows what would | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
happen with Leicester City? Gary Johnson, our Leicester fan, So good | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
to see those Doctor Who posters in his bedroom as well! | :14:33. | :14:43. | |
Two days until they find out who they will face. Jose Mourinho does | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
not enjoy long coach rides apparently! Victoria, we have spoken | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
about Jose Mourinho before. He's angry at times, isn't he? Manchester | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
United players didn't get back from their FA Cup defeat at Chelsea on | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
Monday night until 4am because the plane supposed to be taking them | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
home wasn't at Heathrow Airport. Now, Jose Mourinho, annoyed by this, | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
this is the Manchester United team arriving at Chelsea on a coach | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
incidentally, but Jose Mourinho probably not so much annoyed, the | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
fact that the plane wasn't there, but because he wasn't told until the | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
team coach was actually approaching Heathrow, it meant united had no | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
alternative, but to drive back north which took four-and-a-half hours | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
because of motorway road works on the M6. They didn't get back to 64 | :15:31. | :15:38. | |
hours before the second leg of their Cup tie which is tomorrow night. It | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
has been a long week for Jose Mourinho and Manchester United. | :15:43. | :15:52. | |
The foster parents of a teenage girl who was dramatically removed | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
from their care say she still has "nightmares" about what happened. | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
Aimee Gardiner, who has severe learning difficulties, | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
had lived with her aunt and uncle for most of her life when at the age | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
of 15 she was abruptly taken away without even being allowed | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
She was moved to a new family where she says she wasn't looked | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
after and had to eat cat biscuits because she was so hungry. | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
Aimee then ended up running away from that family. | :16:27. | :16:28. | |
Now the watchdog for councils, the Local Government Ombudsman, | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
has criticised Essex County Council for the way it handled the case. | :16:31. | :16:40. | |
The council now says it's reviewing all its decisions to remove | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
children from foster parents in the last 12 months. | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
Aimee is now back living with her aunt and uncle, | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
Carrie and Chris Stevens, who are here now along | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
with Mary and Alan Gardiner, Aimee's grandparents. | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
They join us now for their first TV interview. | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
Tell us about Aimee and the fact she is like one of your own. She is. She | :16:56. | :17:09. | |
has lived with me since she was two. Her cousins are like brothers. She | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
calls as mum and dad. She... She was very happy, happy-go-lucky girl. | :17:17. | :17:28. | |
This has made her very inward, all the ins and outs that went on with | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
her. It has changed her, definitely. Without a doubt she is not as | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
confident as he used to be and the smile was not there like she used to | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
have. Give us an insight into what happened on the day that she was | :17:45. | :17:53. | |
taken away. I received a phone call from our foster link worker's | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
manager to say they are removing Aimee in and around a half from the | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
school. We had no inkling of what was about to happen or anything, no | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
concerns were raised to us and it was frightful. I rang Carrie, she | :18:09. | :18:16. | |
had to come home from work. The foster link workers asked us if they | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
wanted us to come over -- if we wanted them to come over. What do | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
you think? You must have asked by? We did but we have still not been | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
given that answer because they came up with so many different and so as | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
to that question. -- also is. Emotional abuse, she is scared of | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
you, this and that. Not one of them has been proven. To us. The | :18:44. | :18:54. | |
ombudsman have looked into it. She did not meet the threshold for her | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
removal. Why was the protocol not followed? We will talk about that in | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
a moment. Grandparents, Aimee used to come and stay with you every | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
other weekend. What was it like when this happened to your family? | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
Devastating. We could not understand why. We had no concerns whatsoever | :19:14. | :19:25. | |
with the care and we could not understand why they had removed her. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
We asked the questions and one reply was that she was being removed on | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
the grounds of emotional abuse and when that was challenged by Chris | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
the following day they denied she was being removed on that basis and | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
it was her wishes. When I challenged this the following day I was told to | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
was being removed because the carers had broken their contract with the | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
social services. Every time you ask the question the seemed to change. | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
What was it like for you? Nightmare. We did not eat or sleep properly. | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
Inkling about all the times when I had her, I was a respite care. She | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
used to cook with me. With nanny and granddaughter time, I used to take | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
on into town. She cannot judge money. If you give her ?5 she would | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
not know how much change she should have back if there's thinking to ?4. | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
She did not know the times. I used to go on the bus with her. Because | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
of higher learning difficulties? She had the mental capacity of somebody | :20:42. | :20:50. | |
a lot younger. I totally understand. When they removed her we had no | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
contact. No phone calls, this was sorted out sometime later during a | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
stay at the other foster care's home but initially we had no contact, we | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
did not know where she was. We could not understand what was going on. | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
Presumably your minds are in overdrive thinking what have we | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
done? Is it something we have said? Going crazy. Precisely. Our main | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
concern was Aimee's welfare. Is she all right? Knowing her she would | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
have been crying for us. We could not speak to her. We did not know | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
where she was. Aimee is not able to join us but we * she would write | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
down how she felt. You are comfortable reading them out. This | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
is what Aimee wrote to contribute. When they took me away I did not | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
want to stay there. I felt really horrible and hurt when they took me | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
away from you guys. I just wanted to come home. When I was home... Are | :21:52. | :22:02. | |
you all right? You do not have to carry on. She is back and has been | :22:03. | :22:11. | |
with you for some time. It has turned out how you would have | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
wanted. My goodness, it has been a long time getting the council to | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
acknowledge they made mistakes. You may game complaint about what they | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
did. Yes. Asked several questions. We contacted a helpline for foster | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
carers who advised me everything to ask them. I ask those questions, | :22:36. | :22:44. | |
what meetings were held, and it never got answered. That was six | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
years ago. Indeed. You have finally had a report from the local | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
government ombudsman which says if it's going to council should not | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
have done this, they made a number of mistakes. How did you feel when | :22:59. | :23:07. | |
you got that? Relieved. Because we knew we were right from day one. We | :23:08. | :23:16. | |
knew. It has just been a battle. It is all we wanted from day one, an | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
apology. We would have accepted that. Because we never got that | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
apology we had to go through this prolonged complaints process that | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
has taken nearly six years and we were obstructed all the way by Essex | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
social services. And Essex local authority. I have a statement from | :23:36. | :23:44. | |
the council which I will read in a moment. It is worth talking about | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
how Aimee said she was treated in the other foster family. What did | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
she tell you about that period of time? Very unhappy there. Used to | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
sit in her room most of the time. Writing letters that she would store | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
in a box for us asking to come home. Those letters were promised to be | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
given to us but never came until she returned back to us. She said at | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
night she was so hungry she walked down the stairs into a cupboard and | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
eat cat biscuits because she was hungry. Goodness me. It is shocking | :24:27. | :24:35. | |
to hear that. Why was she? Why was she hungry? She ran away from there. | :24:36. | :24:45. | |
She did. And turned up where? There was a knock at the door and I could | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
see the shape and I looked and I thought that is Aimee. I told Gary | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
and she did not believe me at first. I opened the door and Aimee said, | :24:56. | :25:04. | |
can I come home, dad? How had she got to your place? She was in a | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
parkland left alone and she hitched a ride with a male person back to | :25:10. | :25:17. | |
our house which in itself... Evil child, a child -- a vulnerable | :25:18. | :25:28. | |
child, anything could have happened. We asked Essex County Council | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
to come on the programme. In a statement Cllr Dick Madden, | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
Essex County Council's Cabinet Member for Adults and Children says | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
"It is clear that mistakes were made We've sent letters of | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
apology to the family. I am confident appropriate | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
procedures are now being followed We still have not had an apology. | :25:47. | :26:01. | |
You have not had a letter? No. Maybe it is in the post. Probably. We do | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
not think that is adequate anyway. We would like a face-to-face | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
apology. We need an explanation. We need face-to-face contact with | :26:15. | :26:16. | |
someone in senior management to explain exactly what was going on. | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
We know for a fact that the correct procedures were not for lost when | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
they removed Aimee and the children's act states quite plainly | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
that before a foster care less and can be terminated that has to be a | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
review of the tile's case which would involve the child, parents, | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
carers, grandparents and extended family. That never took place. | :26:45. | :26:53. | |
Incredible. So many things. As the council acknowledge, not that that | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
is particularly any consolation after six years, so many procedures | :26:58. | :27:10. | |
were not followed. Some messages. LP says social services destroy another | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
child's life. It is absolute incompetence. Someone else's well | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
done to the team for highlighting issues regarding this Council | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
decision. How can Essex council justify taking Aimee away from her | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
family without any explanation? Heads should roll. Do you agree? | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
Absolutely. We have asked why these people have not been disciplined. It | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
is not within the ombudsman's remit to recommend disciplinary action but | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
someone from the council should be looking towards some form of | :27:46. | :27:55. | |
discipline against these people that have gone through and caused all | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
this trauma. You said Aimee is different, more insulin. Does she | :28:01. | :28:11. | |
still have flashbacks -- insular. She has nightmares. Very frequent | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
when she came back. Less frequent now but she's all has them. -- still | :28:16. | :28:23. | |
has them. She is frightened this person will taken away again. It | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
says here, I still worry they are going to take me away again. Roger | :28:31. | :28:38. | |
says that poor family, I am in shock and tears, how can something so | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
cruel happen? Throw the book at the council. I hope Aimee regains her | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
happiness and smile soon. If any other foster family find themselves | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
in a scenario similar to this, what would your advice be? Do not give | :28:53. | :28:59. | |
up. Keep fighting. Immediately contact the Member of Parliament | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
because that way you can ensure to a certain degree that the local | :29:05. | :29:06. | |
authority will be following the correct procedures. You did that. We | :29:07. | :29:15. | |
did. The complaints procedure put in place for such cases is less we | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
tried to follow but we were obstructed virtually every step. | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
Yes. Putting obstacles in our way. Not returning phone calls or emails. | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
Not answering our questions. Still you would say do not give up. No. Do | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
not give up. The ombudsman have been fantastic. They have dealt with that | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
within six months maximum. From the phone call. Bearing in mind we had | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
contacted them once before with the complaint and they were told to go | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
back and do the surgery again, the stage two and three mag again. As | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
part of the complaints process. Thank you. Best wishes to Aimee. | :30:02. | :30:12. | |
An investigation by this programme and Radio 4's | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
Today programme has found that lorry drivers moving goods | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
in Western Europe for Ikea and other retailers are living out | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
We'll bring you that exclusive report shortly. | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
And the appeal against the murder conviction of a Royal Marine | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
who shot an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan. | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
We'll bring you that judgement as it happens. | :30:32. | :30:42. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :30:43. | :30:49. | |
An investigation by this programme and Radio 4's Today programme has | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
found that lorry drivers moving goods in Western Europe for Ikea | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
and other retailers are living out of their cabs for months at a time. | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
The truckers, who are employed by haulage firms based | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
in Eastern Europe, say they can't afford to live in the countries | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
where they're actually working and driving, | :31:04. | :31:04. | |
Ikea said it was "saddened by the testimonies" of the drivers. | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
We will have the full report after 9.30am. | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
A rare glimpse into President Trump's private finances has | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
emerged with the leak of his 2005 tax return. | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
He refused to make the documents public | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
during his election campaign and was accused by Hillary Clinton | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
But the US TV network MSNBC has now published two pages of the document. | :31:26. | :31:39. | |
The people of the Netherlands are voting in the first of three | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
crucial elections in Europe this year which are being viewed | :31:44. | :31:45. | |
as important tests of the popularity of nationalist parties. | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
The anti-Islam, anti-EU, far-right leader Geert Wilder's | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
party performed best in polls leading up to the vote, but his | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
The Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutter, has said the election | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
is an opportunity for voters to "beat the wrong | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
A Conservative MP has been questioned for six hours by police | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
about the money he claimed during his general | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
Craig MacKinlay beat the former Ukip leader Nigel Farage | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
He submitted expenses for ?15,000 which is just under the legal limit. | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
Police in Goa in India say they've found the body of a female | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
The body of the victim, believed to be in her late 20s, | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
was found in an isolated spot on Tuesday and police | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
say they are treating the death as murder. | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
Local reports suggest the woman was Irish. | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am. | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
The unemployment figures are in. Unemployment fell by 31,000 to 1.58 | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
million. That's according to official figures. Unemployment fell | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
by 31,000 to 1.58 million in the three months up to January this year | :33:03. | :33:11. | |
and we've got average earnings. Average increases increased by 2.2%, | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
but that's down by 0.4% on the previous month. | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
Down by 0.4% on the previous month. Here's some sport | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
now with Tim Hague. Leicester City manager | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
Craig Shakespeare says they could be "the surprise team" | :33:30. | :33:30. | |
in the Champions League That's after they beat Sevilla 2-0 | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
last night, 3-2 on aggregate. They join the likes of Barcelona, | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid It has emerged that | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
Manchester United had to get a coach back north | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
after their defeat to Chelsea in the FA Cup on Monday | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
because their plane didn't Jose Mourinho was not best pleased | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
as he was only told when they were And can Nicky Henderson pick up | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
more winners on day two He became the most successful | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
trainer of the Champion Hurdle This morning a joint investigation | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
by this programme and Radio 4 Today's programme has discovered | :34:07. | :34:23. | |
lorry drivers transporting goods for Ikea and other retailers | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
in Western Europe are camping out in their cabs for months at a time | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
because they can't afford to live The East European drivers | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
are being paid at the levels they would receive in their home | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
countries, yet they are only working in more expensive countries | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
like Germany and Denmark. A judge has described as "inhumane" | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
the practice where companies are able to exploit loopholes | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
in European law. Ikea says it doesn't just | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
care about furniture. It wants to have a positive | :34:46. | :34:59. | |
effect on people. But just how positive do the people | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
transporting Ikea goods feel? We've met truck drivers camping out | :35:02. | :35:11. | |
in their cabs for months at a time. They work for companies paid | :35:12. | :35:20. | |
by Ikea to move their goods It has being called | :35:21. | :35:22. | |
an inhumane state of affairs. In a trailer on the edge | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
of Copenhagen in Denmark, Kristian and Emilian | :35:27. | :35:56. | |
are building their very There's a breakfast | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
bar, a tablecloth, Making their meals from scratch is | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
how they save money, and stay warm. So, this is very clever, | :36:05. | :36:16. | |
the way that you've assembled Is this how you want | :36:17. | :36:28. | |
to have your breakfast? I don't want to live like this, | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
but this is the condition. You can't afford to go | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
to a cafe, or a canteen? No, today we are lucky | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
because it's the weekend. Yes, we have a table, | :36:41. | :36:53. | |
which is very good. It's empty, but in the middle | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
of the week, we sleep and we make our food on the side | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
of the road. We don't have nothing | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
like a human person. Do you think that Ikea know | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
that this is how you live? Emilian is wearing | :37:10. | :37:11. | |
the uniform of Bring, He's moving goods for Ikea, | :37:12. | :37:27. | |
but Bring Norway does not employ His actual employer | :37:28. | :37:39. | |
is a Slovakian subsidiary, A Danish driver can expect to go | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
home every couple of weeks, but Emilian spends up to four months | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
on the road, sleeping, This is my language, | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
this is my Romanian flag, EU law states that drivers must take | :37:52. | :38:03. | |
45 hours weekly rest away from their cabs, | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
although governments have Emilian says that he cannot afford | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
to sleep anywhere else. He gets a 45 euros or ?40 a day | :38:13. | :38:22. | |
in expenses, which is meant to cover Bring says Emiliano is responsible | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
for taking his rest breaks, and the company says he can go home | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
whenever he likes. What is it like to be | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
in the cab all the time? It's not good for drivers, | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
and it's not good or safe for other Emilian has just driven Ikea stock | :38:37. | :38:51. | |
from Denmark into Sweden. He only ever works | :38:52. | :39:16. | |
in Western Europe. Sometimes it might be | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
Germany or Norway. Yet he is being paid | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
as if he was driving in Slovakia, Emilian shot this mobile | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
phone footage last month. This minibus took him | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
from Slovakia to Denmark, After a few months on the road, | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
he will be minibused back European Union rules state that | :39:34. | :39:44. | |
a driver posted temporarily away from home should be guaranteed | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
the host nation's minimum rates But, it seems that companies | :39:50. | :39:51. | |
are exploiting loopholes in the law. A Danish driver can expect | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
to take home 2,200 euros, Emilian is being paid | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
as if his place of work is Slovakia. He's been taking home an average | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
monthly salary of 477 Bring says that when it | :40:09. | :40:10. | |
comes to pay, it follows We've seen the contracts of drivers | :40:11. | :40:25. | |
working for some of Ikea's Each paid lower east European wages, | :40:26. | :40:34. | |
whilst working for months It's clear, this way of treating | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
drivers is widespread. Not just within the Ikea supply | :40:38. | :40:47. | |
chain, but in those of several This is how they spend the day | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
of rest, in Dortmund, Germany. It's a truck parked turned | :40:50. | :41:02. | |
campsite, right outside of the biggest Ikea distribution | :41:03. | :41:22. | |
centre in the world. They're almost all | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
from Eastern Europe. There are Lithuanians | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
and their luggage, waiting for a minibus to take them home | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
after months on the road. There are Moldovans | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
who told us off camera that their salary is 150 euros, | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
or ?130, a month. And there is this Bulgarian driver | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
who is really fed up. And, not just because he has to make | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
his mash on top of a fuel tank... There is no toilet, | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
no running water. We live like primitive people, | :41:57. | :42:19. | |
but at least this is work. The salary of 250 euros, | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
or ?215, a month. He's fully aware of what | :42:23. | :42:35. | |
he could be getting. Here in Germany, the minimum wage | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
is 8 euros 50 cents, That would work out | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
at ?1,200 a month salary. To create a better everyday life | :42:41. | :42:48. | |
for the many people, Ikea has never been shy | :42:49. | :42:59. | |
about talking about its values. We send as many containers | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
as possible directly The way we work with our suppliers, | :43:05. | :43:06. | |
I think is one part We have a very, very | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
close corporation with Ikea says it expects their suppliers | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
to follow a code of conduct, Suppliers must comply with the most | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
demanding demanding requirements, By systematically applying IWAY, | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
and supporting Ikea suppliers, Ikea has been able to initiate | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
thousands of improvements in social But when it comes to | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
who transports their goods, trade unions accuse Ikea of failing | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
to audit their supply Legal action is now being taken | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
against Ikea's contractors. In the Netherlands last month, | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
a court ruled that Brinkman, who deliver Ikea flowers | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
to the UK and Scandinavia, The court found that drivers | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
pay was not consistent The judge said it was an inhumane | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
state of affairs, that drivers were camping in their cabs and not | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
taking their weekly rest breaks, Ikea has been made aware | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
of trade union concerns. The International transport | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
Federation, the ITF, met with Ikea several times last | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
year to discuss the issue. Your trade union says that laws | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
are being broken right European driver resting time | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
legislation, methods We even see fake companies, | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
falsifying documents. There's a whole list of breaches, | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
and it happens like this. But Ikea would say this is many | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
different layers of companies Yeah, but these guys, the Moldovan, | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
Ukraine, Polish guys, So actually, there is | :44:54. | :45:03. | |
a direct connection? Yes, Ikea is the economic employer | :45:04. | :45:14. | |
of all of these workers. Ikea have to change their business | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
model with an eyeblink. In Immingham, Lincolnshire, | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
East European drivers There is so much cleaning going | :45:24. | :45:24. | |
on they look positively house-proud. This truck park reveals how | :45:25. | :45:35. | |
the industry here is changing. Increasing numbers of foreign | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
haulage companies are They are working for hundreds of | :45:39. | :45:39. | |
different companies, including IKEA. We spoke to a Polish | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
driver working for a Dutch company moving IKEA goods, | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
who wanted to stay anonymous. TRANSLATION: We spend a lot | :45:51. | :45:58. | |
of time living in lay-bys, where there are no toilets, | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
no showers, no facilities. The British road haulage | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
industry is nervous. They are worried they will be | :46:07. | :46:16. | |
undercut by companies that We are seeing far more foreign | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
lorries that are frankly less compliant with drivers' hours | :46:20. | :46:28. | |
and roadworthiness regulations. We believe they are driving | :46:29. | :46:30. | |
a coach and horses There is a road safety risk | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
and the Treasury is losing a fortune in tax revenue from employment taxes | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
and from general business tax. Big, well known, UK retailers | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
and other companies are making increasing use of these firms that | :46:45. | :46:54. | |
don't cost very much In a statement, IKEA said | :46:55. | :46:56. | |
"We take the reports by the BBC very seriously, | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
and recognise the fact that there is a discrepancy | :47:01. | :47:02. | |
between these reports and what we find in | :47:03. | :47:04. | |
our auditing process. We are saddened by the testimonies | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
and sympathise with the drivers. We put strict demands on suppliers | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
when it comes to wages, working conditions, | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
and following applicable We follow up and make regular audits | :47:17. | :47:17. | |
to check compliance. We are currently running | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
a pilot to investigate the subcontracting chain, | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
to reduce the risk of breaches and social conditions | :47:28. | :47:34. | |
within the chain, such as noncompliance with minimum wages, | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
working and rest times, They say they want to have | :47:37. | :47:38. | |
a positive affect on their workers? This company is not having | :47:39. | :47:48. | |
a positive effect on you? What would you like to say | :47:49. | :47:59. | |
to the boss of IKEA? I want to say come and work one week | :48:00. | :48:08. | |
with me in the same conditions. Because, with this situation, | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
they can see what has happened in reality, | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
with our lives. And it says he has to sleep in his | :48:19. | :48:42. | |
cab, they are not forced to hand they have the choice to take the | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
job. Graham says HGV drivers living in trucks is widespread across | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
Europe and the UK. Someone else says IKEA should be ashamed of | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
themselves, another good investigation. David says, I was a | :48:57. | :49:04. | |
tramper for years. I lived out of my cab for weeks on end. That is what | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
sleeper cabs were for. Stop this sensationalism turned out by this | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
sordid little programme. Do not laugh! Someone else is the sort of | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
horror story will continue until bosses are prohibited from abusing | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
workers from poorer countries. Backdated wages as a fine mate was | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
somewhere to making bosses think twice before abusing the poll. We | :49:34. | :49:44. | |
are going live to the Supreme Court. Anybody who has written a well, this | :49:45. | :49:53. | |
is significant. Identified areas of principal, substituting its own | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
decision, that decision was to award the claimant ?143,000 to buy at a | :49:57. | :50:05. | |
sitting tenant's discount the house where she and her family lived plus | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
an option to receive ?20,000 more in one or more instalments. The appeal | :50:12. | :50:21. | |
is against that decision. This Court unanimously allows the appeal | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
against that decision. It restores the order which the judge originally | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
made. There is a single judgment of mind with which everybody agrees and | :50:36. | :50:42. | |
an additional supplemental judgment addressing particularly claims by | :50:43. | :50:53. | |
adult non-dependent children and the other Lords agree with that also. | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
The principal decision is that the judge had not made either of the | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
errors of principal which the Court of Appeal thought he had. It follows | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
from that that the Court of Appeal had no basis to read the case. -- | :51:08. | :51:21. | |
re-decide. Without appreciating that a lump sum would reduce the | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
claimant's entitlement to benefits because of means testing. It is | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
thought that as a result the judge's order would be of little or no | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
advantage to her because she would lose in benefits what she gained | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
from the award. In fact the judge had been very well aware of the | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
benefits rules. He had made his order to give the claimant a lump | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
sum so that she could put decent modern household equipment into her | :51:56. | :52:04. | |
home instead of the very old and totally worn out things that the | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
family was currently managing with. That meant that the money was for | :52:10. | :52:16. | |
her maintenance and more if she spent it in that way she would not | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
retain a capital sum and her benefits would not be lost. The | :52:22. | :52:30. | |
judgment also deals with some of the rather technical questions about how | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
claims under this act ought to be approached. There is no need to | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
summarise all of them. Apart from what I have already mentioned just a | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
few will go. The judgment deals with how far it is relevant to ask | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
whether the deceased acted unreasonably. The answer is that is | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
not the main question, the main question is whether the outcome of | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
the will is to make for the claimant reasonable financial provision for | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
her maintenance in all the circumstances. So for example if an | :53:07. | :53:16. | |
adult son or daughter has her own independent finances and does not | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
need maintenance the court cannot alter the will even if it thinks | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
that the deceased or morally to have done something different. On the | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
other hand the behaviour of both the deceased and the claimant may well | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
be factors which go into the question of what it would have been | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
reasonable to do by way of maintenance provision. And they were | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
here. Secondly the judgment explains that these cases cannot be decided | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
simply by comparing the expectations or needs of the claimant with the | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
expectation or needs of the chosen beneficiaries. The people to whom | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
the test date chooses to leave her money, whether relatives, friends or | :54:09. | :54:18. | |
family, famine relief or other charity, those people do not have to | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
justify their entitlement by need or by expectation. So far as they are | :54:23. | :54:32. | |
concerned, being the choices enough. Their claim has to be balanced | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
against any application made by the limited class of people who are in | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
total to ask the court to change the world. -- entitled to ask to change | :54:42. | :54:53. | |
the world. In working out what was reasonable financial provision. It | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
holds the judge was right to say that it was significant. The | :54:58. | :55:05. | |
judgment confirms existing case law which reminds courts that although | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
you can make provision for maintenance by way of a lump sum for | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
either immediate or gradual spending on maintenance, as happened here, it | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
will not normally be right to Bristol appreciating capital on the | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
claimant because that goes beyond maintenance. If housing is to be | :55:29. | :55:37. | |
provided usually a life interest in the house will be the more | :55:38. | :55:44. | |
appropriate way of doing it. Lastly the court confirms what is again | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
well-established existing case law which makes it clear that an appeal | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
will not succeed unless the judge has made some error of principal. | :55:55. | :56:02. | |
Neither side can appeal... We will leave the Supreme Court ruling. The | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
Supreme Court effectively have reasserted the principal that you | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
can leave your money in your will to whoever you want to leave your money | :56:14. | :56:20. | |
too. You probably gathered, on one side of the casework three animal | :56:21. | :56:23. | |
charities and on the other a woman cut out of mother's well. In her | :56:24. | :56:31. | |
will she made it clear she did not want to leave anything to her | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
daughter. They had been estranged since Heather was 17. She had gone | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
out with a boyfriend the mother did not approve of. She left half ?1 | :56:41. | :56:47. | |
million to The Blue Cross, RSPCA and RSPB, of which she had no real | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
connection apparently, but she was clear in the will and in a letter to | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
lawyers, do not give anything to my daughters effectively. After her | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
death. Challenge that. On the basis that did not make reasonable | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
provision for her. The Supreme Court has unanimously allowed an appeal by | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
those three animal charities and they have won. We will bring you | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
reaction. We may hear from Heather. We will hear from lawyers on the | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
significance of this case. We will bring you the latest news and sport. | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
First, the weather. I pressure dominating the weather. | :57:31. | :57:40. | |
Things will be more unsettled later in the week. Plenty of sunshine | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
across the country. Cloud across southern and south-west areas and | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
cloud across the north-west but glorious morning pictures like this | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
one. The sunshine has been abundant across much of central and North | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
Wales. Showing how sunny the skies have been. We have high pressure | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
dominating the scene. This will bring thicker cloud, outbreaks of | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
rain across the west of Scotland and increasing wind. Not as wild across | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
Scotland as yesterday. The winds will continue to strengthen. Plenty | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
of sunshine across central, southern and eastern parts of the UK but | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
cloudier for north and west Scotland as afternoon with some of the rain | :58:26. | :58:27. | |
heavy across the north-west Highlands. The east of Scotland | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
probably staying dry with one or two back showers. Northern Ireland, | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
after sunshine this morning, the will thicken. A little bit of cloud | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
across south-western parts of Wales." The. The best of the | :58:46. | :58:52. | |
sunshine through the Midlands. A good-looking afternoon for the | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
Tottenham festival. Tomorrow looks cloudier and windier and we could | :58:56. | :59:03. | |
see a few spots of rain. The cloud will thicken up across the south and | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
the west. Increasing amounts of rain across Scotland and Northern Ireland | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
with Wales reaching gale force. Try your across the south-east with | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
coastal fog. It will be mild. Thursday, this weather front in the | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
north-west moves southwards and eastwards into not in England and | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
western parts of Wales and the south-west of England. Brighter with | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
sunshine and showers. Ahead of today's still went to be quite mild. | :59:31. | :59:39. | |
This is the remnant of Storm Stella. It will be heavily modified as it | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
crosses the Atlantic and it will reach as as a rain event with fairly | :59:44. | :59:47. | |
strong winds. Pretty wet across northern and western parts of the UK | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
with rain spreading to all areas and it will feel cooler. That is the | :59:53. | :59:57. | |
tone for the weekend, unsettled with weather fronts moving and, cooler, | :59:58. | :00:04. | |
temperatures close to normal, rain interspersed with sunshine. | :00:05. | :00:14. | |
An investigation by this programme and Radio 4's Today programme has | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
found that lorry drivers moving goods in Western Europe for Ikea | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
and other retailers are living out of their cabs for months at a time. | :00:20. | :00:34. | |
It's not good for drivers, not good and it's not | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
on the road, but this is the conditions. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Three animal charities have won a Supreme Court battle over a six | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
figure award to a woman who was left out of her estranged mum's will. | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
We'll bring you reaction. This court unanimously allows the appeal | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
against that decision and it restores the order which the judge | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
originally made. A Royal Marine who shot and killed | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan in 2011, | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
will learn the result of an appeal That's expected in the next | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
half an hour or so. We will bring it to you live as soon | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
as it happens. Good morning, here's | :01:17. | :01:25. | |
Joanna in the BBC Newsroom Three animal charities have won a | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
case at the Supreme Court. When the woman died in 2004 she made it clear | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
she didn't want her estranged daughter to benefit and left her | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
500,000 pound estate to three animal charities instead. In 2007, the | :01:45. | :01:52. | |
woman challenged her late mother's will. | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
An investigation by this programme and Radio 4's Today programme has | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
found that lorry drivers moving goods in Western Europe for Ikea | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
and other retailers are living out of their cabs for months at a time. | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
The truckers, who are employed by haulage firms based | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
in Eastern Europe, say they can't afford to live in the countries | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
where they're actually working and driving, | :02:11. | :02:11. | |
Ikea said it was "saddened by the testimonies" of the drivers. | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
A rare glimpse into President Trump's private finances has | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
emerged with the leak of his 2005 tax return. | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
He had refused to make the documents public | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
during his election campaign and was accused by Hillary Clinton | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
But the US TV network MSNBC has now published two pages of the document. | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
Presenter Rachel Maddow disclosed the numbers. | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
In terms of what is on here, let me give you the basics. | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
Aside from the numbers being large, these pages are straightforward. | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
He paid $38 million, it looks like $38 million in taxes. | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
He took a big write-down of $103 million, more on that later. | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
If you add up the lines for income he made more | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
The unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest | :02:58. | :03:10. | |
since the summer of 1975, with a record number | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
The number of people out of work fell by 31,000 | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
in the three months to January, to 1.58 million. | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
But there was a big increase in the number of people | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
on zero-hours contracts in their main job, with 905,000 | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
people on the controversial contracts in the last quarter | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30am. | :03:26. | :03:40. | |
Thank you for your comments. Many about the foster family who had | :03:41. | :03:49. | |
their foster daughter removed. The council acknowledge they have made | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
mistakes. The foster daughter is back with the family. LJ says, "This | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
is shocking. Foster placements are so precious." Amy was in a long-term | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
placement, it is little wonder she is traumatised. Another viewer says, | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
"Well done to the family for fighting." This texter says, "I had | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
to fight four years to have my children. The foster carers helped | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
me regain custody. I was told everything is OK. Have your children | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
home. We know you are a good parents. My children are still | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
damaged by this and I have never had an apology." | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
Use #Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
Another special performance from Leicester City, Victoria, | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
having stunned everyone last season with that Premier League title, | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
they stunned Sevilla last night in the Champions League. | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
Since Craig Shakespeare took over from Claudio Ranieri last month, | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
Leicester have won all three of their games. | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
And they went ahead last night thanks to the captain Wes Morgan. | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
In the second-half Marc Albrighton, another | :05:05. | :05:05. | |
ever-present in that title winning team, got the crucial second. | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
Leicester lost the first leg in Spain 2-1 so the 2-0 | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
victory last night - sent them through to the | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
Some of the players reacted on social media afterwards. | :05:14. | :05:23. | |
Wes Morgan, the captain and first scorer | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
Midfielder Andy King wrote "Unbelievable | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Leicester city into the last 8 of the Champions League". | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
And Christian Fuchs put "No words needed. | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
Well, here's what the manager thought. | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
We're in there on merit. Make no mistake about that. We might be the | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
surprise team, but we know the quality of teams in there is getting | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
down to the real serious business now. | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
Some brilliant teams left in there. So Leicester will have to wait | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
until Friday to find out who they'll They are among some of biggest teams | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
in football as you can see. Barcelona are there after that | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
amazing win when they came from 5-1 down to beat Paris Saint Germain | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
in the second leg, Holders Real Madrid too, | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
as well as multiple winners So you can leave your money to | :06:24. | :06:42. | |
whoever you want. Clive Coleman is outside the court. Fill us in. Are | :06:43. | :06:54. | |
you entitled to leave your children out of the will? Are you entitled to | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
cut them out? That was the issue that was at the heart of this case | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
because when Melita Jackson died in 2004 she made it crystal clear that | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
she didn't want her estranged daughter to get a penny. | :07:08. | :07:20. | |
Her estate was worth ?500,000. Her daughter, Heather Ilott, challenged | :07:21. | :07:29. | |
decision. You can amy to a court and ask for reasonable provision and | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
reasonable maintenance if you have been cut out of a will. She did that | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
and a district judge awarded her ?50,000. She appealed that to the | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal were far more generous. They made | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
the ruling that she was entitled to a third of the estate, ?140,000 to | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
buy her housing association property and another ?20,000 in a capital sum | :07:52. | :07:58. | |
that was structured so she would retain her state benefits. The | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
charities involved in this case, for them, it was a really important | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
issue and they appealed the case to the Supreme Court because the | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
charities get a huge amount of their income through legacies, the RSPCA, | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
one charity gets 50% of its income through legacies. So one in every | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
two animals that it looks after, that is funded through legacy | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
income. So it was a very important issue for them to appeal. The broad | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
principle as to whether people have the right to leave their estates to | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
charities, even if that means cutting their children out, of their | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
will. Today we have had, I can only describe as a thumping judgement | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
from the Supreme Court. A unanimous judgement by seven of the justices | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
of the Supreme Court that dismantles that Court of Appeal award and | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
restates, reaffirms a fundamental principle of our law in this | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
country, that you are entitled to leave your money to whoever you | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
choose to leave it to. Even if that means your children get little or | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
nothing. Now, I have with me James Aspen the solicitor from Wilson's | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
solicitors, who are the solicitors for the three animal charities. | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
First of all, James, you must be delighted. Thank you very much. This | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
is a very important decision, it reaffirms from the highest court in | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
the land that principle that we are free to choose who will benefit when | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
we die. Vital principle. And what we have seen the Supreme Court do today | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
is clear things up in the sense of how the inheritance Act works and | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
how far the freedom goes and our hope and our belief is we have a | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
better idea where we all stand. So, if we want to go out and make a | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
will, the solicitor should be better equipped now to advice us, how far | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
can you go with that? How free are you? An important principle | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
confirmed today. Thank you. Let's clear up what happened as a result | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
of this. The court has reaffirmed the original order for ?50,000, but | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
the court also said there have been discussions, there has been | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
agreement between Heather Ilott, the daughter, who was disinherited and | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
yourself and the three charities. Can you tell us about that? I have | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
to keep that private. It is a discussion about the mechanics of | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
how it works because the charities wouldn't want this to have an | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
adverse effect on Heather Ilott. What it means for everyone, the | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
broader picture here which is this is the highest court restauting | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
something we believed we had, but now we know we have which is freedom | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
to choose who will benefit when you die under your L your wishes matter | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
and this is what this confirms. One of the important issues was the | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
Court of Appeal, the court below, had said the charities need to prove | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
that they need the money. This court wasn't having any of that. They said | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
that's irrelevant? Again, it is a very important point because if you | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
think about it, charities are in the same position as you or me or anyone | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
else that someone chooses as their beneficiary in a will and what the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
court is saying is, it is not about us interfering and saying whether we | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
approve of your choice, whether we think you should have left your | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
money to charity or to someone you cared about, you're free to make | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
that decision and it has to be a limited power the court has to do | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
anything about that. So, vital decision as far as all of us are | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
concerned. We still have freedom to choose who benefit under our will. | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
The court was very clear, a long estrangement and clear wishes that | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
you don't want a particular child or your children to get any of your | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
money, that really matters in how the courts interpret whether the | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
child is entitled to anything? Precisely, that's one of the things | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
it clear up today. It is a misunderstanding about whether these | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
personal contributions could be taken into account. I think the | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
conclusion you have to come to is well, that's part of free do. That's | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
part of having freedom choose is the ability to take those things into | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
account. So all cleared up for us. John McCain Aspenu thank you very | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
much indeed. There you have it Victoria, a very, very clear | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
judgement from the highest court in the land that you can leave your | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
money to hover you want to, even if that means your children getting | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
little or nothing. Zl thank you very much, Clive. Thank you. | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
Clive Coleman live at the Supreme Court for that fascinating judgement | :12:20. | :12:20. | |
this morning. An investigation by this programme | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
and Radio 4's Today progrramme has found that lorry drivers moving | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
goods for Ikea and other retailers across Europe are camping out | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
in their cabs for months at a time, because they can't afford to live | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
in the countries they're working in. The Eastern European drivers | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
are receiving pay rates for their home countries | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
despite working in more expensive A judge has described | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
as "inhumane" the practice where companies are able to exploit | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
loopholes in European law. We played you Zoe Conway's | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
full report earlier, Ikea says it doesn't just | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
care about furniture, But just how valued do the people | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
transporting Ikea goods feel? In a trailer on the edge | :13:00. | :13:10. | |
of Copenhagen, Denmark, Kris Jenner and Emilian have created | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
their very own pop-up kitchen. Cooking from scratch | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
saves them money. Is this how you want | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
to have your breakfast? No, I don't want to live | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
like this, but this is the Emilian is moving goods for Ikea, | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
but they don't employ him. His actual employer is a Slovakian | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
firm, Bring Tracking. European Union employment | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
rules state that a driver temporarily posted away from home | :13:39. | :13:46. | |
should be guaranteed the host nation's minimum rates | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
of pay and conditions. But companies are exploiting | :13:52. | :13:53. | |
loopholes in the law. A Danish driver can expect to take | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
home 2,200 euros, or ?1,900 a month, But Emilian has been taking | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
home an average monthly salary of 477 euros, | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
or ?418, a month. This is my home. | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
This is how I live. Danish drivers go home every couple | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
of weeks, but Emilian spends Bring says Emilian is | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
responsible for taking his rest breaks, and the company | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
says he can go home whenever he Emilian has just driven some Ikea | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
stock from Denmark into Sweden. He only ever works | :14:32. | :14:41. | |
in Western Europe. Sometimes it might be | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
Germany or Norway. But, he's being paid | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
as if he was driving in This truck park turned campsite | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
is right outside the Drivers are making stew, | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
and truck drying their clothes. Many of the East European | :14:56. | :15:04. | |
truck drivers we spoke to said that they are | :15:05. | :15:05. | |
on a similar deal to Emilian. It's clear that this way | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
of treating drivers is widespread, not just | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
within the Ikea supply chain, but in those of several | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
other household names. The number of foreign truck | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
companies moving goods in Britain is We are seeing far more | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
foreign lorries that are frankly less compliant with | :15:27. | :15:39. | |
drivers' hours and roadworthiness We believe they are driving | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
a coach and horses through In a statement, IKEA said | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
"We take the reports by the BBC very seriously, and | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
recognise the fact that there is a discrepancy between these reports | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
and what we find in our auditing We are saddened by the testimonies, | :15:55. | :15:56. | |
and sympathise with the We put strict demands on suppliers | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
when it comes to wages, working conditions, and following | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
applicable legislation. We follow up and make | :16:09. | :16:09. | |
regular audits to check We are currently running | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
a pilot to investigate the subcontracting chain, to reduce | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
the risk of breaches and social conditions in the chain, such | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
as noncompliance with minimum wages, working and rest times, | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
and breaches of EU legislation". Let's talk now to one of the drivers | :16:25. | :16:33. | |
we saw in Zoe's film and who joins us from his home in Romania, | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
Clive Mills who runs a haulage firm in the UK and drives | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
in the UK and Europe, Dutch MEP Agnes Jongerius who sits | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
on an EU committee and is looking into how EU law can help change | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
these practices, and Sam McIntosh from the International | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
Transport Federation, who researched these | :16:52. | :16:53. | |
practices across Europe. You are the one driving | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
on the roads, we saw how you live at times, | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
how do you want the law Hello. I want the law protects for | :17:01. | :17:14. | |
all drivers and workers and it is not possible living in the cab a | :17:15. | :17:25. | |
long time. But I hope the politician make a lot for workers in the | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
future. How widespread is this? How many drivers are living like we saw | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
you living? 99%. Drivers east European living like me in the cab. | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
Some drivers take three, four, five months because it is expensive to go | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
home to Romania Bulgaria and come back. We make this with our money. | :17:54. | :18:01. | |
You run a college company. I these conditions familiar to you? Indeed. | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
It happens all over. We truck across Europe and then spend up to two | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
weeks away. We do not do months away. I would not put my drivers | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
into that. The problem we have, this goes down to the big companies. Over | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
the last few years prices of all each have crashed. The prices are | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
coming down. We cannot compete because of the minimum wage. Weepy | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
all of our drivers above the minimum wage. Two years ago traders coming | :18:36. | :18:46. | |
in and accompanied so they put a trailer on a boat to come into the | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
country and there used to be some where it needed to go under time to | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
port to go back to Europe but now you have Eastern European lorry | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
drivers camped in docs in Portsmouth. Between 15 and 20 of | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
them all the time for weeks on end living out of their lorries | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
undercutting our prices. We cannot compete. It is a big problem. You | :19:15. | :19:23. | |
have done research into this. Where do you think the responsibility | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
lies? Straight at the top. Meaning? The pressure comes from the top of | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
the supply chain. The retailers? Retailers like IKEA. Drivers then | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
back cabs feel like prisons on the road. Retailers have to step up and | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
take responsibility. They have to be made accountable. When you say take | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
responsibility what does that mean in practical terms? They can start | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
by meeting their standards, their codes of practice, this is basic | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
human rights. As the first step they need to order what they say they | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
will do. Companies who trade on ethics,... IKEA's statement | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
acknowledging there is some work they can do. What can you do to help | :20:14. | :20:24. | |
drivers? It is good that usual a picture of his drivers because | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
people in Europe should know that this is how we treat our drivers | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
nowadays. It is important that we close down all the loopholes in the | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
European system because on the one hand what is happening is not | :20:40. | :20:49. | |
illegal, it seems like, because if you are driving from Slovak to | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
Germany or Belgium or the Netherlands then you can pay your | :20:53. | :20:59. | |
Slovak wages but not a few key people camping throughout Western | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
Europe all the time and that is a loophole we have to stop. It should | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
be clear that the host member states wages should apply if people work | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
for longer time in that country and that is clearly the case. In this | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
case IKEA also should feel ashamed of itself because they know that the | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
prices they pay cannot afford a liveable wage for all these drivers | :21:25. | :21:33. | |
driving around for IKEA. You were shaking your head in disagreement. | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
Indeed. A few years ago Germany bought in if you are driving in | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
their country, does not matter if you are going through Germany, you | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
have to pay and prove you are paying the minimum wage for Germany. Also | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
Austria and also France. England have not brought that in yet of all | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
for our employers we have to pay the minimum wage. What we ought to be | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
doing, the trouble is it is enforcing. We bring these laws in, | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
it is enforcing laws. This is the problem. You represent billions of | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
transport workers across the globe. From Britain's point of view leaving | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
the EU, it will not happen for a while, what difference is that going | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
to make for the UK? I do not think it will make any difference because | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
fundamentally the problem is at the top of the supply chain so until you | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
tackle the root cause, the retailers like IKEA, until you tackle the root | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
cause, you are not going to get anywhere. Enforcement is important. | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
Critical. We have to improve enforcement, make sure we are | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
sharing information, making the system work, making it cohesive. | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
Until you tackle the top of the supply chain this story is not going | :22:53. | :23:04. | |
to change. Thank you all of you. If you want to see the fulfilment is on | :23:05. | :23:05. | |
our programme age. Hollywood film star Ben Affleck has | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
said that he has completed treatment The American actor and director said | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
in a Facebook post that he had dealt with addiction in the past | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
and that it was something Newsbeat's reporter | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
is here with me now. The strongest part of the statement | :23:21. | :23:31. | |
is where he says I want my kids to know there is no shame in getting | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
help when you need it. He says he is lucky to have their help of his | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
family and friends including his core parent, his ex-partner Jennifer | :23:39. | :23:49. | |
I wonder why you think he has revealed this. There has been lots | :23:50. | :24:00. | |
of speculation about him and his personal life. We'll about the | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
divorce, whether it is happening or not with Jennifer Garner. He is | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
pictured a lot out of the Hollywood stars, a lot of pictures of him. I | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
was discussing with some entertainment reporters earlier, we | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
remember interviewing him a while ago and we thought he did not look | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
fantastic and this kind of makes sense now. He is probably doing it | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
for his kids. They know what is going on. He wants to be a positive | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
role model. It has not been the greatest couple of years for him | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
professionally or personally. The breakdown of his marriage but also | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
he directed and starred in Batman versus Superman which is renowned as | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
one of the worst films in the last couple of years and that was him | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
directing. He has won an Oscar for directing. Professionally and | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
personally it has been quite difficult. This may be marked the | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
start of a fresh start for him going forward. A step down -- he has | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
stepped down from directing the next Batman movie. | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
Still to come, a Royal Marine found guilty of murdering a wounded | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
Taliban fighter will hear the result of his appeal against | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
We think that will be in the next ten minutes or so. | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
We'll bring you that result from the High Court, | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
Three animal charities who were left nearly ?500,000 by a mother | :25:29. | :25:41. | |
who cut her estranged daughter out of her will have won | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
the right to keep the money, in a case at the Supreme Court. | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
When Melita Jackson died in 2004 she made it crystal clear she didn't | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
want her estranged daughter Heather Ilott to benefit, | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
and so left her half a million pound estate to three | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
In 2007, Mrs Illott challenged her late mother's will on the basis it | :25:57. | :26:06. | |
did not make "reasonable provision" for her. | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
She won her challenge, but that has now been overturned | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
The unemployment rate has fallen to its laws level since the summer of | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
1975 with a record number of people in work. It is at 1.58 million. A | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
big increase in the number of people on zero hours contracts in their | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
main job. Average earnings rose by 2.2% in the year to January. | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
An investigation by this programme and Radio 4's Today programme has | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
found that lorry drivers moving goods in Western Europe for Ikea | :26:40. | :26:41. | |
and other retailers are living out of their cabs for months at a time. | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
The truckers, who are employed by haulage firms based | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
in Eastern Europe, say they can't afford to live in the countries | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
where they're actually working and driving, | :26:51. | :26:52. | |
Ikea said it was "saddened by the testimonies" of the drivers. | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
A rare glimpse into President Trump's private finances has | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
emerged with the leak of his 2005 tax return. | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
Mr Trump refused to make the documents public | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
during his election campaign and was accused by Hillary Clinton | :27:09. | :27:10. | |
But the US TV network MSNBC has now published two pages of the document. | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
Presenter Rachel Maddow disclosed the numbers. | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
He had paid about $38 million in tax that year. | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
The foster parents of a teenage girl who was dramatically removed | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
from their care have told this programme she still has "nightmares" | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
Aimee Gardiner, who has severe learning difficulties, | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
had lived with her aunt and uncle for most of her life when, | :27:41. | :27:42. | |
at the age of 15, she was abruptly taken away without even | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
The watchdog for councils, the Local Government Ombudsman, | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
has criticised Essex County Council for the way it handled the case. | :27:49. | :28:01. | |
The council now says it's reviewing all its decisions to remove | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
children from foster parents in the last 12 months. | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
Aimee's uncle Chris Stevens says he still doesn't know why | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
Aimee was taken from them in the first place. | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
We still are at the stage where we still have not been given | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
that answer because they came up with so many different | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
Emotional abuse, she is scared of you, there is this, there is that. | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
Not one of them has been proven to us. | :28:22. | :28:39. | |
After the ombudsman looked into it, she did not meet the threshold | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
Therein lies the question why wasn't all the protocol followed? | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
Someone says they should practice walking a mile in their shoes and | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
think about the effects of their actions. Caroline says there seems | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
to be happening too often. Some parents do not fight and lose their | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
child for good. Sharon says I have experienced social services | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
first-hand when we raised concerns for our grandchildren. We phoned dad | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
emailed on a weekly basis. One of our grandchildren already lived with | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
us. The council dismissed a school and police report amid concerns of | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
the remaining children at home. They acted when ex-daughter-in-law was | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
admitted into mental health hospital. My grandchildren were | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
living in squalid conditions. Social services were abysmal. Keep getting | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
in touch. Leicester City manager | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
Craig Shakespeare says they could be "the surprise team" | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
in the Champions League That's after they beat Sevilla 2-0 | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
last night, 3-2 on aggregate. They join the likes of Barcelona, | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid It has emerged that | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
Manchester United had to get a coach back north | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
after their defeat to Chelsea in the FA Cup on Monday | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
because their plane didn't Jose Mourinho was not best pleased | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
as he was only told when they were And can Nicky Henderson pick up | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
more winners on day two He became the most successful | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
trainer of the Champion Hurdle In normal times, it's fair to say, | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
few outside Holland would have paid much attention | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
to the parliamentary But today's poll takes place | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
against a backdrop of election results that have taken | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
many by surprise. The anti-Islam, anti-EU politician | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
Geert Wilders is pitted against the conservative | :30:43. | :30:44. | |
Prime Minister Mark Rutte. Our reporter Jim Reed | :30:45. | :30:46. | |
has the background. On 15th March, 13 million people get | :30:47. | :30:56. | |
to vote in the Dutch election. Much has been made of this | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
man, Geert Wilders. We have to close our borders, | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
for all asylum seekers, and for all immigrants | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
from Islamic countries. The front-runner in the polls | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
until just recently, his Freedom Party wants to leave | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
the EU, close down mosques, These elections, for | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
sure, are historical. But Geert Wilders has been sliding | :31:16. | :31:29. | |
in the polls recently, and even if he wins the most votes, | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
the way that the Dutch political system works means | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
that he is unlikely to win power. The current Prime Minister | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
Mark Rutte, who's been He has a business background, | :31:40. | :31:47. | |
and a fondness for playing We've done a great deal | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
in the last couple of years, Whoever wins this election will also | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
tell us something about where Europe If Geert Wilders gets the most | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
votes, then other populist leaders, in countries like France | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
and Germany, will get a boost. To have criticism about | :32:07. | :32:13. | |
the Islamisation of our societies, which I believe is an enormous | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
threat... I do believe that there is a real | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
risk that on March the 16th, we can wake up in this country | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
and Geert Wilders is The polls can, of course, | :32:27. | :32:28. | |
the very wrong. Just this week, more than half | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
of the Dutch electorate said they still haven't decided | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
who to vote for. And with 28 different | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
parties all campaigning up to the last minute, | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
no one can ever be sure Breaking news. Alexander Blackman, | :32:39. | :33:01. | |
the Royal Marine who shot and injured a Taliban fighter in | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
Afghanistan has just had his murder conviction reduced to manslaughter | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
by five judges at the court marshal Appeal Court in London. So Sergeant | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
Blackman who became known as Marine A had his murder conviction for | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
shooting dead an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan, he has had | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
his murder conviction reduced to manslaughter which is what he wanted | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
by five judges at the court marshal Appeal Court in London. That | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
breaking news in the last couple of seconds. You will remember that | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
Marine A has been serving a life sentence for murdering the wounded | :33:42. | :33:48. | |
Afghan insurgent. The fresh evidence that the five judges, at the court | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
marshal Appeal Court have been considering were the mental health | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
condition of Marine A, of Sergeant Blackman, he said he had | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
post-traumatic stress disorder so they have considered that fresh | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
evidence in the appeal today and those five judges have been | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
persuaded that Sergeant Blackman's murder conviction should be reduced | :34:10. | :34:17. | |
to manslaughter. That just in from the appeal in court. Let's talk to | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
our correspondent Daniel Bircher who is there. Daniel, fill us in on | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
this. Yes, this judgement has just been handed down. So what has | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
happened is that Alexander Blackman's murder conviction has | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
been quashed and the five judges have substituted a verdict of | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
manslaughter on the grounds diminished responsibility. Now, this | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
follows a hearing last month in front of five senior judges who were | :34:50. | :35:02. | |
sitting as the court martial Appeal Court. Alexander Blackman remains in | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
prison and there will be a further hearing to decide what sentence will | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
be appropriate and we expect to hear reaction here on the steps of the | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
court shortly. In the meantime if I just fill you in on the background. | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
What happened was that Alexander Blackman was convicted following a | :35:23. | :35:29. | |
court martial in 2013. He was convicted of murder. This was after | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
he had shot a Taliban, a wounded Taliban insurgent in Helmand | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
province in 2011. The following year he appealed. That appeal did not | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
succeed though his minimum term was reduced from ten to eight years. The | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
case was then referred to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
This is the independent body which looks at potential miscarriages of | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
justice and the CCRC then brought the case back to the Appeal Court | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
for a fresh appeal. That, as I say, was heard last month and has now led | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
to this conclusion that the murder conviction has been quashed. Instead | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
he is convicted of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished | :36:16. | :36:16. | |
responsibility. Thank you very much, Daniel. | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
Reaction to come in a second. This is the culmination of a long, legal | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
fight and campaign on behalf of Sergeant Blackman who killed the | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
insurgent dead in September 2011. He had been filmed, Sergeant Blackman | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
had been filmed on a colleague's webcam. | :36:37. | :36:50. | |
Sergeant Blackman's appeal focussed on claims he had been plagued by | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
mental scars after facing death every day while on the frontline in | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
Afghanistan. In an exclusive interview in September 2015, his | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
wife Clare Blackman, told us about the moment her husband was arrested. | :37:04. | :37:11. | |
The first we knew was the knock on the door for him to be aretsed. It | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
was a huge shock. Happened? It was a quiet weekend morning and there was | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
a knock on the door. I opened the door and invited the individuals in | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
who announced who they were and as they came in, my husband came | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
downstairs and they read out the charge of breaches of the Geneva | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
convention at that stage. And did you know what that meant then? No, | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
not at all. When did it become clear that he was going to be charged with | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
murder? I think as the investigation continued, the charge changed a week | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
or so after that first arrest. How did you react? Shocked. Completely | :37:59. | :38:07. | |
shocked. It was something, as I said, was totally out of the blue, | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
but obviously, talked to my husband about it. Talked through what had | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
happened. More live reaction to come from the court. The news in the last | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
few minutes is that Sergeant Blackman who became known as Marine | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
A who had been serving a life sentence for murdering a wounded | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
Afghan insurgent has had his murder conviction quashed and replaced by | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
one of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. We can | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
talk to Patrick Hennessy who served as an officer in Afghanistan in 2007 | :38:43. | :38:49. | |
and works as a barrister. He is an author and wrote The Junior Officers | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
Reading Club. How do you react? It is good news for Simon Blackman and | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
one of the things that his appeal has been focussed on is it really | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
suit yble for him to be in prison still? He is clearly not a threat to | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
society. It is probably good for him and his family that he's released, | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
but will be fascinating is to see the reasons that the Appeal Court | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
have given because if this is, it has been reduced to manslaughter on | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
the grounds of diminished responsibility so they have | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
considered expert evidence as to his mental state and there will be a | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
really interesting ramification into what that mental state was. If | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
you're a commander in the field, well, not Afghanistan anymore, there | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
is going to be a responsibility on all commanders to look at all their | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
soldiers and think because of the pressures that they have been under, | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
can I even allow them out of the gate? I think there is a mismatch. I | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
thinked the public will watch that video and listen to the awed dwro | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
and they will hear a man who is not under fire and who was calm and | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
collected and who shoots somebody who is injured. He's posing no | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
threat to him or his men and says to his colleague, "Don't tell anyone. | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
I've just broken the Geneva convention." We will have to look at | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
the detail the Court of Appeal considered. You accepted that the | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
short clip doesn't necessarily tell us the whole picture about the state | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
of mind of Sergeant Blackman, having served for however long he had been | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
serving in Afghanistan until that point? That's why the detail, the | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
medical evidence, they have considered is going to be crucial, | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
but you could see now if you were a general, you would be looking at | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
this and thinking this is potentially problematic for me. If a | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
Tour of Afghanistan lasts six to seven months and you send 8,000 | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
troops and old at most a few thousand will be on the front, | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
frontline, but are we going to have to look very carefully at the | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
guidelines for how much we expose our soldiers too? The reality is if | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
you're... I'm going to interrupt. We're going to hear from Clare | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
Blackman on the steps of the court. Is my old friend Freddie Forsyth who | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
did not know Blackman and did not know Clare, but who knew a | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
miscarriage of justice when he smelt one and he brought me in, was it | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
last summer? And when I read these papers I was staggered at what I | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
read. And the heroine is of course, Clare Blackman because without her | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
efforts to keep the flame alive on behalf of her husband and to get | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
that debate in Parliament which sparked the interest of the public | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
and The Daily Mail and which led directly to today's victory, none of | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
this would have happened. So with that I'm going ask Freddie to say a | :41:48. | :41:57. | |
few words and then Clare. Thank you. It is really not, it's not merited. | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
I just want to say this however. It's not over yet. We always wanted | :42:02. | :42:13. | |
to get justice, an elusive word word. It is a two-playeded weapon. | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
Firstly one blade, to get a man who should never haven't been put in | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
prison, out of prison. Secondly, we go after those people who wrongly | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
and I think villainously put him there. The Establishment won't do | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
that, it is our job. We're the media, we do the examining, we | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
uncover things that we're not supposed to know. From now on, what | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
really happened there is down to you. I think we'll do our job just | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
as well as the lawyers did theirs and the judges did theirs. Because | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
there are things that need to be said about what was done to that man | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
and who did it to him and why and how and how they got away with it so | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
far, but not much further. So back to the mead why now. The ones who | :43:04. | :43:12. | |
will not be discouraged from doing what has to be done. OK, let's go | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
for it. APPLAUSE | :43:19. | :43:31. | |
We are delighted at the judges' decision to substitute manslaughter | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
by diminished responsibility. This is a crucial decision and one that | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
much better reflects the circumstances that my husband found | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
himself in during that terrible tour of Afghanistan. We must now wait for | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
the sentencing hearing and hope to secure a significant reduction in | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
Al's sentence. We would, of course, like to thank our fantastic legal | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
team, Jonathan Goldberg, Jeffrey Israel for their excellent work to | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
date and we must also thank the tens of thousands of supporters | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
especially from the Royal Marines family who stood behind us | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
throughout and who have played such an important role in getting us to | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
this point. Thank you. We'll stick with this in case the | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
media ask any questions of Clare Blackman. | :44:25. | :44:33. | |
We heard from Clare Blackman, Sergeant Blackman's wife who has | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
been campaigning for years on this issue. We also heard from author, | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
Frederick Forsyth. And you heard Patrick Hennessy Clare Blackman say | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
that for her husband it was a terrible tour of Afghanistan. Some | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
indication which is what he has persuaded the judges' of that he, | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
his mental health was not as it should have been when he was out on | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
the battlefield? I know there will be questions to be answered as to | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
who was in the role of monitoring the mental health of someone like | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
Simon Blackman? Should he have been leading patrols if he was under that | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
pressure? Should there have been greater rotation of individual | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
units. I'm not how much of a conspiracy there is to unearth. The | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
court was obviously persuaded by the evidence. You were telling us that | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
this will have real implications for officers and their groups of | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
soldiers and who they allow to be on the frontline? | :45:40. | :45:46. | |
You are looking at the robustness of people you put in leadership roles | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
and how they are responding over the duration of a tour. And people will | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
be in perfect mental health at the beginning and go through things that | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
degrade them and the implication here is that his unit had been | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
involved in such a degree of fighting that had been so intense, | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
the losses they had encountered were so severe it had that effect on him. | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
All individuals are different. Some people who are totally fine soldiers | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
may take more to break them or less. That is something you are going to | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
have to be realigned to in future. You cannot have this sort of thing | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
being somehow justified or allowed because at the end of the day in a | :46:27. | :46:34. | |
matter what crime he did did not commit this is bad at being a | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
soldier. You do not want to be sitting, shooting injured | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
insurgents. It is going to be damaging for the international | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
reputation of the British military. We have to find a way to look after | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
the mental health of our people but maintain the highest possible | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
standards in the field. Someone says I come from a military family and I | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
disagree with this verdict. With the case of his mental health should the | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
man in the grips of battle be trusted with a loaded rifle and the | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
feet of another human being, regardless of him being a Taliban | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
insurgent? With regards to the video he clearly knew what he had done was | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
wrong and illegal, it did not sound like someone of Owens and blamed. | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
Where is the justice for the family of the young man murdered? Another | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
person says this judgment will serve to put people off joining the armed | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
forces on the whole. The country does not deserve people like Sargent | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
Blackman, that they will be make the rules do not have the balls to do | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
what people like sergeant like-minded. You raised your | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
eyebrows. I do not think it will put people off joining the armed forces. | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
I do not think people join thinking they will be looked after completely | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
if they should somebody who was injured and posing no threat. They | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
have not said you did not do anything wrong, they have said you | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
should not be convicted of murder. It sounds as if there were failings | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
in the original court martial. There may have been failings in the way | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
the defence was prepared. Perhaps from the outset they should've been | :48:08. | :48:17. | |
looking more closely at the ministry sponsored ability and that was not | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
done. A host of reasons why the verdict might be quashed which do | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
not go so far as to say it is acceptable to do what he did. | :48:23. | :48:29. | |
Because it is not. The manslaughter option was not available at the | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
original trial. What about the mental health of people who serve in | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
Afghanistan and elsewhere? You believe the Ministry of Defence | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
takes it seriously? It is something the Ministry of Defence has been on | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
a steep learning curve for. When I first joined the armed forces in | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
2004 it was not done particularly regular slip it in the brief time I | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
served we got much more aware of the importance of looking after people. | :48:57. | :49:03. | |
My unit was attacked by suicide bombers than the driver of one of | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
the vehicles was the only survivor and it had clearly rattled him -- | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
one of the only survivors. We did not want to serve him on but we | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
thought we would take a couple of weeks and give him a different role, | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
do not make him feel like a dead weight, he is doing something useful | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
but he is not in quite a pinch point and he gets his mental fortitude | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
back-up, and it maybe that was not being done in this case. As he been | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
in a situation similar to the one sided Blackman found yourself -- | :49:33. | :49:41. | |
found himself in? I have been responsible for recovering severely | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
injured insurgents who up to ten minutes before had been shooting at | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
us. Part of your training is the ability to switch from trying to | :49:49. | :49:54. | |
kill the enemy while they are engaging new to then giving them | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
first eight and making sure they get back to a hospital in one piece. | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
There is a very powerful military imperative to do that. If he is | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
alive you do not know what information he is going to give you. | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
We fight to break the will of the enemy. If the enemy thinks the only | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
thing that is going to happen to them is they are going to get shot, | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
they will fight to the death, but if they know they are going to be | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
treated well, the first signs of things getting to the crunch | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
Biddulph Road down their arms. There is a vast historical precedent for | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
effective military operations being carried out humanely. It is bad at | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
being a soldier of people think the only way out of it is if you tell | :50:36. | :50:48. | |
them or they kill you. -- Umax to them or they kill you. You rock that | :50:49. | :51:00. | |
on the head? I do not think there is a conspiracy. It sounds as if | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
possibly mistakes were made by the first defence team. There were | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
verdict is not available. It sounds as if might have been issues as to | :51:09. | :51:11. | |
how rotations were being done at the camp. It will be interesting to see | :51:12. | :51:19. | |
but who knows what is out there? When a ruling like this happens what | :51:20. | :51:26. | |
sort of significance to the MOD in terms of the MOD, how significantly | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
will they be looking at this? They will be looking at it because they | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
will think we need to keep a very close eye on everyone going out on | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
offensive operations. They will think maybe there has to be | :51:41. | :51:43. | |
re-emphasis of certain parts of the education we are doing. They will | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
also see a slight indication insofar as what the court appeal said is | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
this guy is not a murderer, he had a very illustrious career and was a | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
good marine up until that point. While you want to take something | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
like that on board you do not want to drastically think, we are going | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
to have to rethink everything we do. There remained over the course of | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
the Afghan conflict tens of thousands if not hundreds of | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
thousands of rotations of British service personnel and an incident | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
like this very rare which is how it should be. Thank you. Patrick served | :52:21. | :52:30. | |
as an officer in Afghanistan in 2007 and works as a barrister and is also | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
an author. Let's get more on that | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
Supreme Court ruling, saying people should be able | :52:39. | :52:40. | |
to leave money to The case today focussed | :52:41. | :52:42. | |
on a mother who gave most of her estate to charity, | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
rather than to her The daughter had argued she should | :52:47. | :52:48. | |
get more money from her mother and the daughter won | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
in early court cases. But today the Supreme Court | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
reduced the amount that Joining us now is Martin Oliver, | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
the lawyer representing The reaction of you and your clients | :52:59. | :53:16. | |
to this today? My client is very disappointed by the judgment today. | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
As you said she was awarded ?50,000 at the very first instance by the | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
district judge and the Supreme Court has found that is reasonable | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
financial provision for her. As it is the highest court in the land, | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
that is it. How is this going to affect Heather? Heather is naturally | :53:36. | :53:44. | |
very disappointed by everything. This is the highest court. It is not | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
going to go any further than this and this is the final judgment. In | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
practical terms? She is not going to get any more money. In practical | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
terms years of very hard-working mother who brought this claim. She | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
was looking for in her opinion reasonable financial provision. | :54:06. | :54:07. | |
She's going to struggle going forward. She certainly did not wish | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
to be brought into the limelight on this type of matter. In the end | :54:12. | :54:19. | |
probably most sensible people will think the Supreme Court came to the | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
correct decision today. When you write a well you leave your stuff to | :54:24. | :54:30. | |
whoever you want to. I can understand why they may come to that | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
but there is legislation that says that reasonable financial provision | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
if it has not been left, and Heather was in that category to bring the | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
claim, it is an objective test, but there is quite a wide discretion as | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
to the amount people are entitled to. He had been estranged for some | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
time. What was the relevance of that? The strange and is one of the | :54:53. | :55:01. | |
factors that was looked at by the judge but it was phoned by the | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
district judge at the beginning that the reasons for the estrangement, | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
there was some fault on behalf of the mother which led her to make the | :55:09. | :55:17. | |
will that she did. Thank you. The lawyer representing Heather. Our | :55:18. | :55:28. | |
correspondent has been bringing you the news about marine marine A who | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
has had his murder conviction register manslaughter on the grounds | :55:33. | :55:41. | |
diminished responsibility. This a decision by five senior judges. They | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
heard there's fresh appeal last month setting of the court-martial | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
Appeal Court. The judgment was handed down a short time ago and in | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
that judgment they have quashed his conviction for murder and | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
substituted a verdict of manslaughter on the grounds of | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
diminished responsibility. This is the second appeal. He appealed after | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
he was convicted initially of murder. He was sentenced to life | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
with a 10-year minimum turn. That was reduced to eight years but that | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
first appeal did not succeed. The case was considered by the criminal | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
cases review commission, the independent body that looks that | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
potential miscarriages of justice and it was referred back for this | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
fresh appeal and that judgment today that the murder conviction is | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
quashed. Alexander Blackman was not in court himself to hear the | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
judgment. He remains in prison and what happens is a date will be set | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
for a further hearing at which the appropriate sentence will be | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
decided. That is the point at which Alexander Blackman will find out how | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
much longer he will serve in prison. They could make a decision to | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
release him. He could go free finally. Yes. It is possible. We | :57:02. | :57:10. | |
will have to wait and see what they consider the appropriate sentence to | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
be. At the moment because of his murder conviction he had been | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
sentenced to a minimum of eight years. That has been quashed and we | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
have to see what the judges decide will be appropriate for the | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
substituted manslaughter conviction and at the moment we do not have a | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
date for that. His wife in her statement as she came out of court | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
said this was the crucial aspect to find out what the sentencing would | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
be and said this manslaughter conviction was more appropriate to | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
what had happened, a more appropriate conviction than the | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
murder conviction which she had faced until today. The reaction from | :57:57. | :58:04. | |
clear Blackman, third and Blackman's wife, she was delighted. Yes, it has | :58:05. | :58:12. | |
been a long campaign. For her and for other supporters. That have been | :58:13. | :58:26. | |
in court throughout this long illegal process. -- legal process. | :58:27. | :58:31. |