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Welcome to this special edition of Witness, from here in Mumbai. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
In the year that marks 70 years since Indian independence, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I will bring you five witnesses who have experienced extraordinary | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
moments in this country's history. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
This month on the programme, India's first track and field | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
gold-medallist, the woman who brought this country's first | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
case of sexual harassment to court and the curious case of Indian | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
deities appearing to drink milk. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
First, we travel to Delhi. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
In 1947, when India and Pakistan split during partition, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
millions were forced to leave their homes | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
because of the ensuing violence. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Kuldip Nayar was one of many who began a desperate journey | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
in search of safety. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
NEWSREEL: A subcontinent larger than the whole of Europe becomes two | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
self-governing dominions within the British | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Commonwealth of Nations. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
But India's future welfare largely depends upon communal harmony. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
I'm a Hindu and I was living in Pakistan. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
I wanted to live in Pakistan, but I was not allowed to. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
Some extremists drove us out of our house. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:33 | |
NEWSREEL: The novelty of independence has worn | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
thin and all the time the bloodshed goes on. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Throughout this vast land, Hindus and Muslims seek safety | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
in new surroundings. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
We had to leave Pakistan, now a Muslim state. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
We decided, why don't we go to Delhi? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
When things settle down we will come back. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
But we never realised there was no coming back. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
NEWSREEL: Fleeing from their looted, bloodstained towns | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
comes a new exodus. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
Already 1.5 million have been exchanged between the two dominions. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
Another 2 million are preparing for their trek. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I was very unhappy, but I had to leave my home. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
One cardinal, Indian cardinal, who had been transferred | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
to India, who met my father. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
My father was a medical practitioner. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
He said, now that he was going to India, could he do something for me? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
He said, take my three children to India. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
He said, I can't accommodate three, but I can accommodate one. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
So I was the one who had to go there. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
I was crying, because I did not know whether I would see them again. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:47 | |
As soon as we reached that main road, I found | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
thousands of people there, as if the whole of humanity had come | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
on the street, the road. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
Women, with trailing children, littered luggage, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
piled up bodies, stench. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
All these things I saw. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:16 | |
But in this Jeep, when we went further, this was now | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
surrounded by the people. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
They stopped us. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
They said, "You take us along". | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
We said, "There's no space". | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
An old, sick gentleman, with a flowing beard, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
he had this small child and said, "Take this, my grandson". | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
I said, "But I am still a student". | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
I couldn't do that. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
But I still remember his face - helplessness. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
As soon as we reached no-man's-land, which was the border | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
on the Pakistan side, there was a convoy of Muslims | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
going into Pakistan and we were entering India. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
We looked at each other. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
We didn't speak, but there was a strange kind of kinship, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:11 | |
a kinship that both of us have left our homes, our friends | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
and neighbourhoods and both had been broken on the rack of history. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:25 | |
They moved on and we moved on, but we didn't exchange any words. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
We only looked at each other. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
That thing I can never forget. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
Kuldip Nayar went on to become one of India's most | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
celebrated journalists. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
And now to another man whose life has been shaped | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
by the violence of partition. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Milkha Singh was a young boy when both his parents | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
were killed in front of him. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
His father's last words spurred him to do great things, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
as he told Witness. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
NEWSREEL: Independence was proclaimed and celebrated, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
NEWSREEL: Independence was proclaimed and celebrated, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
but it had been obtained at a terrible price, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
and the price was division of India - partition. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
For a while the north of India ran with blood, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
as Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs grimly slaughtered one another. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Men and women pass Prince Philip on the saluting base. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
COMMENTATOR: And for the very first time he's going | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
hard round that bend. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
And in 2013, Milkha Singh's extraordinary story was turned | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
into the Bollywood film Bhaag Milkha Bhaag, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
'Run Milkha Run'. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Now to 1983 and the first case of sexual harassment brought | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
to court in the country. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Rupan Deol Bajaj took on Punjab's top policeman and changed Indian | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
legal history in the process. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
She may be educated, uneducated, working class, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
she may be an officer, a high-ranking officer | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
like me, all women. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Nobody is immune. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
And it happens every day. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
In 1988, I was serving as special secretary of finance. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:28 | |
I had about 20,000 people under me. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
90% were men. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
There was a dinner party, hosted by the home secretary, and Mr | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
KPS Gill, who was the director general of police, was also there. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
He called out to me and he said, "Mrs Bajaj, I want to talk | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
to you about something." | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
He got up and he came and stood in front of me, towering above me. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
He put a finger in my face, like that, and he said, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
"Up, come on, up." | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
"Come along with me." | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
"Come on, you come along with me." | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
So I said... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
I said, "Mr Gill, go away from here." | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
"You're misbehaving." | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
And I got out from the gap in between him and me | 0:10:19 | 0:10:26 | |
and when I was going, that is the time when he... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
Well, he slapped me on the bottom. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
That's what he did. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
Always people have considered it to be a very trivial thing, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
but I could not get over the enormity of it. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Letting it go meant living with a lowered self-esteem, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
gulping down my humiliation, facing that person every day, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
facing all the other people. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
The consequences of complaining I had not really | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
estimated at that time. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
Nobody was willing to take up the case for me because they were | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
so frightened of the DGP - he was the highest ranking | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
police officer, with all the powers of life and death. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
No one wanted to do anything against him. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
And I found that no one had ever filed in section 509 and 354, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
which were the lesser offences against the modesty of women. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
17 years, long years, of my life, all of it was taken | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
up by this one case. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
The lower courts had quashed the case, they had thrown it out. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
The case reached the Supreme Court and they called for all the records, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
reinstated the matter and also gave their definition of modesty. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:47 | |
They reprimanded the High Court judge and said, this can't be | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
treated as something trivial. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
All the people in every household, this was the talk | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
between husband and wife. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
The limelight was not on KPS Gill. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
The entire focus was on me. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Why have I registered a case? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
There must be something wrong with me! | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
I attended the proceedings of the trial throughout, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
along with my husband, but on the day the verdict came, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
I specially requested - I said, "I didn't want to go there". | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
KPS Gill was expecting to win, so they had the police band there. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
Then my husband's driver rang up and said, "Madam, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
he had been convicted on both counts". | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
It's the mindset I fought against. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
I never fought against KPS Gill, I fought against | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
the mindset of society. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
People started saying now offences against women are increasing. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
They are increasing. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
No, now more women are speaking up. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Mrs Bajaj, at her home in Chandigarh. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
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Next, after the trauma of partition, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru persuaded modernist architect | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Le Corbusier to reinvent India, by building a new capital city | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
for the province of Punjab. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Our next witness, Sumit Kaur, is the former chief | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
architect of Chandigarh. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
Le Corbusier got his first opportunity to design | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
a whole new city in India, where Nehru commissioned him | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
to lay out the capital city of the Punjab - | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Chandigarh. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
He wanted the citizens of the state of Punjab and India as a whole | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
to regain their confidence, which could have been shattered | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
due to this traumatic partition of the country | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
into India and Pakistan. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
And to bring back the faith in the future. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
He wanted revolutionary ideas. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Buildings have to become santuaries from the climate. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
The sunbreakers break the summer sun when it is high in the sky, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
and admit the winter sun when it is low. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Corbusier was very concerned about the harsh climate of this | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
particular city and the region and he wanted to provide comfortable | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
conditions, living conditions for all the residents. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
The city is cut up into 30 residential sectors | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
by the road system. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Each residential sector has its own shops, post | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
office, school, health centre, playground, gardens. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
The road system is designed in such a way that no door of any | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
house or building opens onto a thoroughfare of fast traffic. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
My grandparents were migrants from Pakistan and I do remember them | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
very clearly telling us that we were lucky to have taken | 0:14:55 | 0:15:02 | |
this house in Chandigarh where we had because of this a huge | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
lot, which we had, which had an abundance of green, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
both on the front and the rear. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:17 | |
We used to cycle and I remember feeling like | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
a lord because the roads | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
were so wide and we used to have just fun going up and down. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
The Indians are also proud of the city centre, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
the business area with its banks and administrative buildings, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
which to a Westerner look monotonous, grey and empty. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
The Indians regard it as dignified and clean. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
A mark of maturity. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Le Corbusier was given a mandate, that you have this limited | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
budget and the city cannot afford beyond that. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:49 | |
Because of his creative genius, he was able to use local material, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
locally available materials. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
They were very good bricks, the soil was very good, you know. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
What is architecturally one of the most modern cities | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
in the world is being built by men and women who have to cut | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
each brick, each measure of earth and concrete | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
as they would 4,000 years ago. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:22 | |
The Open Hand monument signifies the very concept of the city. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
The open palm signifies open to give and open to receive and a lot | 0:16:28 | 0:16:35 | |
of people from Pakistan had to migrate to India and they had | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
to be suitably housed and it stands majestically, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
beautifully positioned against the backdrop | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
of the Shivalik hill. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:52 | |
As so often, Le Corbusier has put his work on a grandiose scale, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
using the mountains as a background. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Today we are fighting to preserve the backdrop of the Shivalik hills. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
It is marred by urbanization and the intent of keeping it green | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
as Corbusier envisioned is lost, I think the city would | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
lose quite a bit. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:18 | |
It is our duty as citizens that we must save Chandigarh. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Now our final film this month. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
In the mid-1990s, millions of Indians were gripped by reports | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
of sacred statues drinking milk. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
We we look at a tale of what some believe was a miracle. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
We look at a tale of what some believe was a miracle. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
The elephant god credited for bringing prosperity | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
is seen drinking milk. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Some declared it a miracle others cashed in, charging five times | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
the normal price for milk. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:59 | |
So widespread were the reports of a miracle that India's Federal | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
Department of Science and Energy was asked to investigate. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
They were sceptical and said the molecules of milk | 0:20:29 | 0:20:35 | |
were being drawn by the texture of the statue. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
He still worships at the same temple. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
We will be back at the British library later this month to give | 0:21:54 | 0:22:02 | |
you another round-up of Witness, but for now thank you for watching. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 |