Yr Alwad i Rochdale Y Byd ar Bedwar


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-THIS PROGRAMME CONTAINS

-OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.

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-We're in Rochdale to meet

-a Welshman who moved to the town...

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-..to live amongst

-the Muslim community.

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-It's like returning to Pakistan.

-People from the same background.

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-Hate crimes against people

-of Islamic faith are increasing...

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-..and tensions here

-are simmering under the surface.

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-I don't like seeing girls

-with their faces covered up.

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-With immigration causing splits

-in communities across Britain...

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-..tonight we take an unique look

-at the call to prayer in Rochdale.

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-Rochdale, in the shadow

-of the Pennines, near Manchester.

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-The town has become a destination...

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-..for Asian

-and Eastern European immigrants.

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-It's home to a Muslim family

-of Pakistani descent...

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-..which moved from Caernarfon.

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-It's an ideal place.

-Everyone here is friendly.

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-Basically, you'll see more

-Pakistanis, Bengalis, Africans here.

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-There's a community of Muslims

-all together here.

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-Waseem Khan works in a call centre

-selling mobile phone plans...

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-..whilst also studying

-at a local college.

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-His Pakistani background

-is important to him.

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-People move to Rochdale,

-to Manchester or wherever...

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-..they've come from Pakistan,

-from Bangladesh...

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-..they've settled here,

-their children have settled here.

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-Basically, first, second generation,

-third generation.

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-The lineage starts somewhere.

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-If you're Pakistani,

-you've come from Pakistan.

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-When you have children here...

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-..they'll grow up here.

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-They're part of Rochdale.

-If that's how you see it.

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-Waseem moved here three years ago

-along with his family...

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-..so that his sisters could have

-their education in a Muslim school.

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-Where are you from?

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-Where are you from?

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-Wales. North Wales.

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-My father-in-law's from Wales.

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-My father-in-law's from Wales.

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-In North Wales?

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-I can't pronounce it.

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-I can't pronounce it.

-

-Machynlleth.

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-I can't pronounce it.

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-I can't pronounce it.

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-As immigration has increased, so has

-the number of Islamic prayer houses.

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-There are more mosques in Rochdale,

-than there is, I'd say...

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-..in Caernarfon, Bangor,

-Llandudno, Rhyl...

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-..40, 50-mile radius

-from Caernarfon.

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-You have one here

-and another just down the road.

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-There's another 100 metres away.

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-You have three literally in

-a two, three hundred-metre distance.

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-The Golden Mosque

-stands in the middle of Rochdale.

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-It's one of the largest in the town.

-800 Muslims can worship here.

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-Muslims pray five times a day.

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-Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib, Isha'a.

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-We're going in to see Asr now.

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-Before worshipping, Muslims wash

-so that they are clean before God.

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-The basis of Waseem's faith

-is the Qur'an...

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-..an instruction

-on how to live life.

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-You get a manual for a car...

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-..you get manual on how to use

-a microwave or a fridge.

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-No-one knows how to use it.

-The first person doesn't know.

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-This is a manual for life.

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-There's nothing bad in it. There

-are English copies of it everywhere.

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-It's the miracle. It teaches you

-how to live your life.

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-How our prophets,

-how Muhammad lived his life too.

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-That's what that is?

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-That's what that is?

-

-Yeah.

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-In the mosque,

-Waseem wears Muslim clothes.

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-He's more comfortable doing that

-here than he was in Caernarfon.

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-If you wore Pakistani clothes

-in Caernarfon or Bangor...

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-..people would stare at you.

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-Here, they don't.

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-Basically, it's the normal thing.

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-As Pakistanis

-living in Caernarfon...

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-..there were people from Pakistan

-there you could speak to...

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-..about things

-you wanted to speak about.

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-If you move here, it's like

-you've returned to Pakistan.

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-Your people are here,

-people from the same background.

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-And stuff like that.

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-15% of Rochdale's population

-are of Asian descent.

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-Waseem feels

-that they are targets for racists.

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-The people who live here,

-who've moved from another country...

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-..wearing different clothes...

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-..they get racial abuse from people.

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-White people

-tell the brown and black people...

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-..to return to their countries.

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-Just because they wear

-different clothes...

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-..they wear a scarf across their

-faces, they're treated differently.

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-Rochdale has a long history

-of accepting immigrants.

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-They've contributed

-to thriving businesses in the town.

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-Co-operation

-is part of Rochdale's DNA.

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-The Co-operative institution

-was formed in the town in the 18thC.

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-The fabric mills

-attracted thousands of workers here.

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-It was one of the first

-industrial towns.

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-John Jones has also moved

-to Rochdale from Wales.

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-He moved here with his wife

-from Bethesda 30 years ago.

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-He worked for Rochdale Council.

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-He says poverty has gripped

-the town for many years.

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-The old places were pulled down

-and new factories were built.

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-Some workers

-only have a zero hours contract.

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-That doesn't help people

-hoping to improve their lives.

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-He says immigration

-has increased beyond all reason...

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-..over the past few years.

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-That's contributed

-to the town's decline.

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-Over the past seven or eight years,

-more and more have moved in.

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-We're surrounded

-by charity shops and takeaways.

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-They don't employ local staff...

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-..or contribute greatly

-to the local community.

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-I worked with people from Pakistan

-and they were experienced workers...

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-..and it was very nice

-to work with them...

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-..but a large percentage

-of the population...

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-..they don't speak English,

-they still don't speak English...

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-..and keep themselves

-to themselves.

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-That's fine if that's what they

-want but it doesn't help the town...

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-..to become more inclusive.

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-According to John,

-the character of some areas...

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-..has changed dramatically as Asian

-people have moved there to live.

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-There's a primary school

-on the left.

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-I don't think there are

-any white children in the school.

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-I'd like to see more integration

-in schools.

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-It's difficult.

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-The local community

-needs the school there.

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-Only those children go there.

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-I don't know if I'd be happy

-to have my children in that school.

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-I don't know.

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-Rochdale is

-a culturally diverse town.

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-35 different religions

-are practised here.

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-From a population of 210,000...

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-..most, 190,000, were born

-in Great Britain and Ireland.

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-10,000 were born in Pakistan.

-4,000 are Polish.

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-The last Census shows Christianity

-as Rochdale's primary religion.

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-60% claimed to be Christians.

-19% said they were Muslims.

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-In specific neighbourhoods such as

-this one in the heart of Rochdale...

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-..over 50% say they are Muslims.

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-Over the past few years, right-wing

-groups have been active in Rochdale.

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-They claim that multi culturalism

-is creating a split in society.

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-Have you seen tensions

-within communities?

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-Oh, yes.

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-Like what then?

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-Like Asian people fighting.

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-We've seen two Asians

-fighting on the trams a month ago.

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-Are there tensions?

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-Sometimes it happens

-but mostly, everyone is fine.

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-What kind of things can happen?

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-Fights and stuff. Sometimes you

-get people shouting racist slurs.

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-Once in a blue moon it'll happen.

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-I am not against immigration

-at all...

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-..because they have got

-a right to have a life as well...

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-..but we are suffering.

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-Rochdale is one of the most

-impoverished towns in Britain.

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-Over a third of the population

-live in poverty.

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-9% are unemployed and one in four

-households claim housing benefit.

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-It's mostly because of the houses,

-there's not enough houses.

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-There's not enough jobs. Everyone

-I've spoke to, that's their opinion.

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-Immigration is the reason?

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-Immigration is the reason?

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-Yeah.

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-All the foreigners are taking

-the houses. I can't even get one.

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-I've been homeless for two years

-sleeping on people's couches.

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-There are a thousand asylum seekers

-in Rochdale.

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-John Jones says immigration has

-placed unfair pressure on Rochdale.

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-There needs to be a system

-where they are taught English...

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-..a system where work

-is available to them...

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-..and a system to ensure

-they have somewhere to live.

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-You don't want to create ghettos.

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-That's the danger -

-creating ghettos.

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-That won't benefit the town - it'll

-turn people against each other.

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-THIS PROGRAMME CONTAINS

-OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.

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-Waseem Khan lives in Rochdale

-near Manchester.

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-He's a Muslim of Pakistani descent.

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-He was born and raised

-in Caernarfon.

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-We're off to Bangor today,

-to visit the mosque.

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-We'll meet Connor,

-one of my mates from Caernarfon.

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-Something that worries Waseem,

-along with many other Muslims...

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-..is the way the media

-portrays Islam.

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-In the news, in the papers.

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-A newspaper's job is to...

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-..brainwash people.

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-That's what I think,

-brainwash people.

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-They criticise Islam

-as much as they can.

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-They're directing hate

-at people like me.

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-They paint us all

-with the same brush.

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-They say we're all the same.

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-If one Muslim

-does something wrong...

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-..apparently, all of us do it.

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-He returns to North Wales

-about three times a year...

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-..to visit family and friends

-who still live there.

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-Connor. OK, mate?

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-How are you? Not bad.

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-Connor Holmes

-is one of Waseem's best friends.

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-Sport brought them together in

-Ysgol Syr Hugh Owen in Caernarfon.

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-How are things in Rochdale?

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-How are things in Rochdale?

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-It's OK.

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-Same old same old.

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-The fact that Waseem is a Muslim

-has never bothered Connor.

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-We'd been friends for six months

-and I went to get a sandwich.

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-He told me he couldn't eat the meat

-because it had to be Halal.

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-He explained to me why.

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-After that,

-I slowly learnt more about it.

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-It didn't change him as a person.

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-I didn't know anything

-when I met him.

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-It doesn't make any difference.

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-It doesn't matter what someone does

-behind closed doors.

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-He doesn't harm anyone

-doing what he does.

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-It's up to him, he leads a peaceful

-life. He's still the same person.

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-Islam is the world's

-fastest-growing religion.

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-The number of people

-from different backgrounds...

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-..being attracted to Islam

-is also increasing.

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-People think

-that all Muslims are Asians.

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-It's not only Asians,

-it's whatever you see.

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-It doesn't matter which country

-you visit, there are Muslims there.

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-The difference between you

-is your culture.

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-Times change, Islam is spreading.

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-Wales is home to 46,000 Muslims.

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-Islam is the country's

-second largest religion.

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-In Bangor's mosque,

-500 regularly worship.

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-Waseem's uncle, Miraz Khan,

-is an Imam in the mosque.

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-Everything OK, was the trip OK?

-Family OK and everything, yes?

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-Waseem's grandfather helped build

-the mosque back in 1985.

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-The Imam says everyone

-is welcome there.

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-Last month,

-they held a public open day.

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-It was something that started

-in early-2010...

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-..to try and remove the barriers

-that exist...

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-..which unfortunately started

-in 2001 with 9/11.

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-We opened our mosque

-from eleven until five on Sunday.

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-Hamdullah, all thanks to God,

-we had over 150 people here.

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-It was a really good day.

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-We were shocked with the numbers.

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-We wanted to get the message out

-that we're just people like you.

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-However, he still thinks

-a fear factor exists in Britain...

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-..due to rising immigration and

-a misunderstanding about Muslims.

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-We've been so welcoming

-to people who've come here...

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-..that might result in

-more people moving here.

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-Like everything else,

-it needs to be controlled.

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-If there are no controls, these

-things will happen unfortunately.

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-People will start coming here

-for the wrong reasons.

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-Unfortunately,

-there is a fear factor.

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-In 2015,

-Greater Manchester Police...

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-..dealt with one racially-motivated

-hate crime every three hours.

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-Since then,

-the situation has deteriorated.

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-There was an increase

-in hate crimes...

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-..in the three months

-following the Brexit vote.

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-The worst area in terms of numbers

-was the Metropolitan Police area.

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-The second worst

-was the Manchester Police area...

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-..which includes Rochdale,

-with over 1,000 incidents.

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-Adnan Mashrur

-was the victim of one such crime.

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-A student in Bradford, he travels

-home every weekend to work.

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-Late one Friday,

-he caught a tram in Rochdale...

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-..on the last leg

-of his journey home.

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-The tram was pulling up

-to the tram spot.

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-A lad was walking

-alongside the tram...

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-..swearing at me through the window.

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-You fuckin' twat, you Paki bastard.

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-I can't remember fully but those

-are some of the words I remember.

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-When the tram stopped, the situation

-went from bad to worse.

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-I asked him, "What's your problem?"

-He pushed me and hit me.

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-I fell off the tram at the time.

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-As I fell off the tram, the tram

-drove off and we got into a fight.

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-About 30 seconds later,

-I looked to the right.

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-I seen about eight, nine other lads.

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-After that, I just got hit

-and I don't remember much from that.

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-The crew hit him

-until he was unconscious.

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-They broke his nose

-and he was covered in bruises.

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-The police are continuing

-with their inquiries...

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-..but no arrests have been made.

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-It's upsetting

-because it was down to the fact...

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-..that I'm Asian.

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-I'm a different skin colour.

-There's nothing more to it.

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-I've never met the guys before,

-I don't know who they are.

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-Last May, during the

-European Union referendum...

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-..60% of people in Rochdale

-voted for Brexit.

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-John and Morfudd Jones have lived

-in Rochdale for 30 years.

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-They also voted to leave.

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-Why?

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-Why?

-

-People are moving in here...

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-..and it's free

-for anyone to move here.

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-Enoch Powell once said

-that whenever you open a door...

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-..you'll never close it.

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-Before retiring, Morfudd and her

-husband worked for Rochdale Council.

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-The area where they bought

-their first house...

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-..has been completely transformed

-by now.

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-There's no community

-at all there now.

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-As I was saying,

-Asians have bought every house.

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-According to the 2011 Census,

-there's been a dramatic rise...

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-..over the last decade

-in immigration from overseas.

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-The number of people from Pakistani

-descent has increased almost 50%.

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-I don't like seeing girls

-with their faces covered up.

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-Why?

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-They scare me and I don't know why.

-I like seeing someone's face.

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-I wouldn't want to tell them

-they had to remove them.

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-I have no right to do that.

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-They say that there's

-a strong feeling locally...

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-..that families of Asian descent

-are favoured over local people.

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-There definitely is, of some kind.

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-There's hatred towards them and

-there's a feeling in some places...

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-..that they're treated

-more fairly than us.

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-I don't feel that personally

-but I see it happen.

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-It's Saturday night in Rochdale.

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-Waseem's meeting two of his cousins

-for supper.

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-You know where it is?

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-Straight down.

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-Shuaib Khan also moved

-from Caernarfon to Rochdale...

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-..to work for

-a technology company in Wigan.

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-Plenty to do.

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-There are a lot of restaurants.

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-Halal too, so it's ideal.

0:20:510:20:53

-You don't miss Caernarfon?

0:20:540:20:55

-You don't miss Caernarfon?

-

-Miss my friends more than anything.

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-Friends and family.

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-Tonight, they're visiting Eastern

-restaurant in the Spotland area.

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-Saeed Ahmed, Waseem's other cousin,

-moved here from Hong Kong...

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-..just over a year ago,

-to study and work.

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-All three voted

-in the Brexit referendum.

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-Do you worry about Brexit,

-what happens with Brexit?

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-What was your take on it?

0:21:230:21:25

-I voted out.

0:21:260:21:28

-You wanted out, yeah,

-I remember you voted out.

0:21:290:21:32

-Did you vote out too?

0:21:320:21:34

-Did you vote out too?

-

-No. I voted in.

0:21:340:21:36

-Did you watch the news?

-Some immigrants voted out.

0:21:370:21:41

-From Pakistan.

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-A lot from Rochdale.

0:21:430:21:45

-A lot of people, Asian people...

0:21:450:21:47

-..Pakistanis and Bengalis

-voted out.

0:21:470:21:50

-Waseem believes the real reason

-many voted to leave...

0:21:500:21:55

-..is jealousy towards immigrants.

0:21:550:21:58

-Jealousy.

-They went to school, didn't do well.

0:21:580:22:02

-They went to high school

-and didn't do well.

0:22:030:22:06

-They went to college

-and didn't do well.

0:22:060:22:09

-They blame them

-for their disappointment in life.

0:22:090:22:12

-He says that immigration

-is healthy...

0:22:130:22:15

-..and crucial to attract

-the right people here to work.

0:22:160:22:19

-If you go to hospital,

-if you go to Ysbyty Gwynedd...

0:22:200:22:24

-..if you go to hospital

-in Rochdale..

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-..most staff come

-from outside the UK.

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-India, Pakistan, Africans.

0:22:310:22:34

-Anywhere besides UK.

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-They're educated.

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-More than us, I'd say,

-more than people in the UK.

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-Waseem hopes for a job in education

-after completing his studies.

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-He wants people to see the person

-beyond the religion...

0:22:490:22:53

-..and the scaremongering

-about Islam.

0:22:540:22:56

-I live in the UK,

-I live in Manchester.

0:22:570:22:59

-I'm a normal person.

-I work, I go to the gym.

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-Socialising.

0:23:040:23:05

-So, yeah,

-I'm nothing to do with terrorism.

0:23:070:23:11

-Islam is nothing

-to do with terrorism.

0:23:110:23:13

-Next week we visit one of Britain's

-busiest emergency departments.

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-71 patients in the department.

0:23:200:23:22

-That's a lot at this time.

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-With waiting times higher than ever,

-we hear from the patients.

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-I dread to think

-about a family member in A&E.

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-I don't think they're coping,

-it's dangerous.

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-It's like a warzone.

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-It's like a warzone.

-

-Y Byd ar Bedwar, next Tuesday night.

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