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Hallo and a very warm welcome to the Scottish parliament here at

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Holyrood. Topics on the agenda politically, well, there's the

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budget here, of course. There's always Brexit and I wouldn't be at

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all surprised if there are some questions on the subject of

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education, with the second report out overnight, painting a picture of

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fairly poor attainment at Scottish schools and a big attainment gap

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between those from wealthy and deprived backgrounds. Anyway, only

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one way to find out. We crossed to the chamber. We are

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just getting underway here. I would like to ask the vet Minister what

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engagement she has planned for the rest of the day. Engagement to take

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forward the Government's plan for Scotland. There is no specific plan

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where able children in Scotland exile. Over the past years, we have

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seen a decline in that. Not my words, but that is the verdict from

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education experts Sutton trust this morning. Can the First Minister

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explain why a 15-year-old south of the border is more likely to be a

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high achiever in science than a 15-year-old in Scotland? Well, Ruth

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Davidson refers to the Sutton trust's report which has just been

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published. It is an important report and helps to aid our understanding

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of the challenges we need to address in order to tackle the attainment

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gap. It is important to note though that the Sutton trust does not

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resent new data. Its analysis of these cause published in December

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and those scores are based on a survey carried out two years ago, a

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survey that predates the attainment challenge and predates the reforms

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to our education system that are now underway. This report certainly

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under lines the importance of those reforms. We will study the

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recommendations of the report carefully. In terms of the gap

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between the richest and poorest high achieving pupils, the gap is

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actually more in Scotland and it is in England. I take no comfort from

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that because the report says that we must do better and we must do that.

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As always, the First Minister has her long list of excuses ready but

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the answer to the question that I asked lies at the door of an SMP

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which has failed utterly over ten years of Government is set Scottish

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education on the right course. The First Minister fails to address some

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of the clear recommendations in that report this morning. Recommendations

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that could make a difference to a child's education, because the

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Sutton trust says that our best performing schools should help

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support children in underperforming schools. This could help support

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schools and develop leadership in staff. It's an idea we called for

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last year. We'll be First Minister act on it? It's one of four key

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recommendations that are in the report and indeed, we have already

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established what is called the insight system. That allows teachers

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in the senior based to see how their schools are performing compared to

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others, identify areas of success and identify where improvements

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could be made. Thus enabling schools to see where there is best practice

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and learn from that best practice is already underway. We are committed

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to taking forward clusters of schools to allow different schools

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to learn from each other. Then there are other recommendations within the

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report which we are taking forward in different ways. One of the key

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recommendations is about how we monitor people's and indeed I heard

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someone from the Sutton trust make this point this morning, the

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importance of monitoring pupils at all levels of ability, and that is

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what standardised assessment is all about and school by school day care

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that we are now publishing. We have a range of reforms underway to make

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sure that we do improve attainment overall but close the attainment gap

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and all of that programme of work is backed and underpinned by the

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attainment funded just last week, when it was announced ?120 million

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will be allocated directly to head so that they are equipped to take

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this work forward so that we see the further improvements that we need to

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see over the years to come. I have to say, presiding officer, I am

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surprised by the First Minister sounding so positive on that because

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we know that a project specifically to winning flagship schools with

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underperforming schools was recently dumped by this Government and with

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education Scotland confirming there was no money to keep it going. The

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blunt truth is that this garden trust findings on attainment sires

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are particularly shocking. We said that bursaries should be provided to

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attract the best scientists into teaching. Yesterday, the Scottish

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Government decided instead to launch a poster campaign. Does the First

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Minister really think that that's sufficient to get enough teachers

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into teaching? Let me take on all of these individual points. In terms of

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the programme Ruth Davidson talks about, that approach was in our

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attainment programme and was underpinned by the additional

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funding in our attainment challenge and the workaround clusters of

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schools. That is the right way to develop the work that has been done

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over the past few years. In terms of getting teachers into schools. For a

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party that south of the board is taking bursaries away from

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professional groups, it's a bit rich to talk about bursaries. We will

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continue to take the steps that we continue to be appropriate and what

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John Sweeney and the General teaching Council have announced over

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recent times is a way of different ways in which we attract our best

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and brightest into teaching, particularly into areas where there

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is identified to be a shortage. Ruth Davidson may mock some of what has

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been announced but these are important initiatives to make sure

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we get teachers coming into education generally but also into

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the same subjects. We continue to look if there is more action we

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should be taking. In terms of the attainment gap, I have said

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repeatedly and will continue to say that this is a focus for this

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Government and we are absolutely focused on making sure that we do

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leather further improvements. That is across a range of methods,

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whether that is on school exam passes, positive destinations, with

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signs in our education system that attainment gap narrowing. I want to

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see it narrow further and I want to see a faster which is why we are

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taking the action that we are doing. And yet Scotland still has 4000

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fewer teachers than when her Government came to power. Presiding

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Officer, we now see the consequences of ten wasted years of this SNP

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Government and the harm that it has done to the life chances of our

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peoples. In science, 15-year-olds in Scotland are two years behind

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children in Singapore. In reading, they are behind children in Canada

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and Finland by a year. In maths, they are a year behind children in

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Estonia. That is the legacy of this Government. It is a generation of

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Scottish children who are being left behind in the race for

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qualifications and full featured jobs. Scotland used to lead the

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world in education. Why under this Government are we always catching --

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playing catch up? I actually think Ruth Davidson in the final question

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does a disservice to teachers across this country, because I do not, do

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not and never will shy away from the challenges that we must address, but

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in our education system today, we have got record high exam passes, we

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have got a record numbers of young people going into positive

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destinations after they leave school and we also do see signs, weather is

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exam passes, positive destinations or access to university, signed the

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narrowing of that attainment gap, that is their reality. But as I

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repeatedly say, that is not good enough. That is why since the data

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was gathered for the Sutton trust report, we have embarked upon a

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programme of improvements underpinned by substantial funding

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going straight into the hands of headteachers. There are headteachers

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right across this country who last week got told of a substantial

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additional funding that they will have at their direct disposal to

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invest in additional teachers or the things that they think will help

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raise attainment. This is solid action, action we are continued --

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continuing to focus on so that we deliver the improvements that young

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people and parents across the country have got the right to see.

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What engagements does the First Minister have planned for the rest

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of the week? Engagements to take forward the plan for Scotland. A new

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report today exposes that S NP's catastrophic failure on education.

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They can grow in all they like, presiding officer, but it's true and

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they should read it. And in the subjects most important are growing

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Scotland's economy in the future, young people are being let down.

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Despite the hard work of pupils and Scotland -- and teachers, the SNP's

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failure is there for all to see and time and time again I have come here

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and argued that the SNP are leaving the poorest children behind. Now

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this report shows that they are also holding the brightest children back.

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The birds minister said education would be her defining priority, so

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why is her Government failing a whole generation of children? -- the

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First Minister. At risk of repeating the answers I gave earlier. This is

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an important report. I readily accept that. But the data in this

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report is based on a survey carried out two years ago. Why that is

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significant is that that predates the programme of reforms that we

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have underway. It predates the additional resources we have made

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available through the attainment challenge and the attainment fund.

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These approaches are not just getting additional resources into

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the hands of headteachers, they are introducing standardised assessment

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so that we track the progress of our young people more reading Lee and

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more robustly. They are leading to the publication of more transparent

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data and information on an ongoing basis than Scottish education so

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that we can track our progress. I think every politician in this

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chamber who raises these issues is absolutely right to do so, such is

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their importance. But I think they also have an obligation to get

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behind the reforms that we are introducing because on some of these

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reforms, we have seen members of the Labour benches having initially

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backed them, when they come under some pressure on them, decide they

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don't back them after all. I would say this Sutton trust report

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underlines the importance and the necessity of those reforms to

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education and that's why I hope all members across this chamber will

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enthusiastically back them. It's clear from that answer that when the

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First Minister runs out of excuses, she just repeats them. She dismisses

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the reporting today's paper but she can't dismiss every single report

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that preceded that and the question is, how many reports that she have

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to get about the state of education in Scotland before Steve accepts the

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simple truth that the heart of every single one, that there is the simple

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truth missed by the SMP and the Tories, that if we want to give

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young people the best possible chance in life, we have do invest in

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them. That means investing in local schools. What we get from the SNP

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though is ?1.5 billion worth of cuts since 2011. In the original report,

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the one that wasn't rewritten by the First Minister, the independent

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poverty adviser said this, any reduction in the services would be

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damaging for low income households. Who should we believe? The first

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Ministry or her own poverty adviser. Firstly, in terms of Kezia Dugdale's

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first comment that, I didn't dismiss the Sutton trust's report and

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anybody watching this at home will have heard me say it is an important

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report that aids our understanding of the challenges we face. I simply

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pointed out the fact that it is based on data that is already two

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years old and predates the work that we are doing. In terms of previous

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reports that Kezia Dugdale also wrongly claims that I'm dismissing,

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the Sutton trust report published this morning which I have read is

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based on the Pisa report which was published in December. It's not new

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data. That does not make it an important but it is an important

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contextual point to make. In terms of her point on investment in

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schools, absolutely, she is right. Which is why we have established the

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attainment fund. The attainment fund is putting ?120 million in the

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coming financial year into the hands of headteachers in 95% of the -- 95%

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of schools across this country. That adds to the ?50 million we were

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already investing in the attainment challenge. That is the kind of

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investment we need to see in our schools, the kind of investment that

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this Government is delivering in our schools. In my last point on

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budgets, we have heard a week in and week out in this chamber Kezia

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Dugdale stand-up here talking about what she claims our council cuts and

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yet this week we started to see Labour councils, Inverclyde

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yesterday, deciding that they have enough money available to them

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without using the flexibility we have given councils are in council

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tax. Labour here repeatedly say that tax rises are necessary to protect

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services like education but we have council is now saying the opposite,

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proving the point that we are giving resources to local councils to

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enable them not just to protect services but in the case of

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education to get more money into the hands of those who run our schools.

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Resources they need, but she is putting in ?120 million and taking

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out ?1.5 billion. You have been in power for ten years, First Minister,

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and that is your record. And the Sutton Trust report proves beyond

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all doubt that teachers need more support to give young people the

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skills they need. But under the SNP thereafter 4000 fewer teachers in

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Scotland, and we have lost 826 science and maths teachers since the

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SNP took office. It is no wonder John Sweeney had to launch a

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recruitment drive for teachers yesterday. Teacher numbers down, the

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attainment gap widening, the only thing that is up under the SNP is

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cuts to schools. Beaver with records this poor, primary pupils could do

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the maths, why can't the First Minister? Maybe she should ask the

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leader of Inverclyde Council to do the maths for her. As a result of

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the changes announced last Thursday, there are now ?400 million of

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additional resources available for local services, that is the reality,

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and that includes ?120 million available for headteachers to

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deliver improvement in our schools. And for Kezia Dugdale to talk about

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cuts in local services the day after the Labour leader of Inverclyde

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Council took to social media to boast that he had enough money that

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enabled him to become the leader across Scotland that had frozen the

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council tax for longest, Labour go on contradicting themselves. As

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Labour go on contradicting themselves from the sidelines, we

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will get on with delivering the improvements in education that

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parents and children have a right to expect.

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APPLAUSE Two supplementary constituency

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questions. Will the First Minister join with me in welcoming the plan

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to make Andy and Angus a world centre for oil and gas

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decommissioning? I welcome the ?5 million fund to yesterday, although

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agree with Gary Smith of the GMB that considering the scale of the

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opportunity, it is a drop in the ocean. Wilshere back the proposal by

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guaranteeing at least half of this fund to Dundee to give us the best

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chance of securing decommissioning jobs? As this Government has

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demonstrated through its actions, we are enthusiast exporters of the city

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deals, and have supported already a number of deals and will continue to

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work with councils in Tayside to ensure we are doing everything we

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can to support development in Dundee and across Tayside. I'm glad she

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welcomed the ?5 million decommissioning challenge fund. I'm

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sure she has read the material published and will see that this is

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an initial fund with future funding expected in future years. Our supply

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chain already does very well in terms of winning work in aspects of

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the decommissioning process, for example project management,

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unplugging Wells, but we need to make sure that where we have got the

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infrastructure in place to enable firms to compete successfully for

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the work around removal of topsides and rakes onshore. That is why this

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fund is important and we will continue to make sure that as we

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support the oil and gas industry in terms of production, because it has

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a right future ahead of it, we will also make sure that Scottish firms,

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where ever they are are to take advantage of the benefits of

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decommissioning, and yesterday I met in Aberdeen two firms doing just

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that, and I want to see more of them able to compete in that way.

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Patients were turned away from the GP out of hours service at our local

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hospital last Sunday, it had to close because there were no doctors

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to cover the rotor. Yesterday was told of a private report from NHS

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Glasgow and Clyde that gives their preferred option of centralising the

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veil out of hours service to the royal Alexandra Hospital. Given that

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retaining out of hours GP services was a key commitment in the vision

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for the Vale, what action will the First Minister take to stop a health

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board for breaking her promise? She mentioned often the vision for the

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veil, but to remind her that the vision for the veil is what we had

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to come up with when I was Health Secretary to come up with the many

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health services that had been put under threat by the previous

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administration that was in place. In fact, had that Labour administration

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stayed in place, I very much doubt if

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the Vale would still be providing the excellent services that they

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still do. To ask the First Minister when the Cabinet will next meet. The

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Cabinet will next meet on the 21st of February. The aviation industry

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claims to have an aim of halving its CO2 emissions by 2050 compared with

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2005 levels. The UK climate change committee which is the Scottish

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Government's chosen adviser on climate change, has ruled that

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aviation emissions should be no higher than 2005 levels by the same

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date, and yet the Scottish Government's climate action plan

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published last month implies that there will be in mission reductions

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in aviation, but does say how much or how they will be achieved. And

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the Scottish Government is now setting about redesigning the

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aviation tax regime without appearing to have any such target in

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mind, and despite knowing that its tax proposal would actually increase

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emissions. Does the Scottish Government have any idea of the

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actual level of aviation emissions that they consider acceptable? The

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climate change plan sets out in detail across a range of different

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sectors how we will go about meeting our climate change obligations, and

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it will develop over time and on which we would expect input from

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this chamber and across a range of different sectors. As we have said

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repeatedly before and I will say again today, the environment must be

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a consideration in every decision we take, including any decisions around

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aviation and any decisions around APD which is what Patrick Harvie is

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getting at. We have also said before that if we pursue any policies that

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have lead in one area to an increase in emissions, what that means in

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order that we meet our targets is we have to work harder in other areas

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to ensure that we are driving down emissions overall, so as we develop

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we remember that we are meeting our current climate change targets ahead

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of schedule, and we are about to go into the process of legislation

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where we will toughen the targets, but as we do so, we will continue to

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ensure that not just our policy is there but across all of Government

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take account of the environmental of obligations that we have. I'm afraid

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that the climate action plan doesn't give details on aviation emissions

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that the First Minister seems to suggest it does. But I'm glad she

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thinks that environmental considerations should be a factor in

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setting aviation tax levels, I hope to have the government's support in

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writing that into the legislation so that no future government is able to

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ignore that important consideration. What I have found most astonishing

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in hearing witnesses give evidence in support of the Government's

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proposal is that none of them seem capable of producing a shred of

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credible evidence about what the impact will be, not on flight

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numbers or prices, not on job creation, they all produce different

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figures for that, mostly based on out of date research, figures

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plucked from the air. They are not able to tell us what the impact will

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be on the economy or public finances, even those that claim some

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baseless prediction of extra tax being generated in the economy

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reduced no robust evidence about how much of it will flow to the Scottish

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Government and how much of it will flow to the UK Treasury. Adding to

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that the lack of any clear impact of the effect of this policy on the

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environment, the one thing that we do know about this policy is that it

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will be an effective tax cut to a highly profitable, highly polluting

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industry while public transport languishes. Isn't it time to shelve

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this whole plan until the Scottish Government has got anything

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approaching an evidence base? The tax cuts for the individuals and

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families who use air travel, including families who go on holiday

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and who may well welcome a reduction in the cost of going on holiday, and

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in terms of some of the evidence from those who would support this

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policy, they do make very clear statement in terms of the impact of

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that in greater routes from Scotland, more flights, and more

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jobs in the industry. Of course, as we take forward both the legislation

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around the devolution of airport and Judy YouTube it also our budgets for

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future years, we take account of differing amounts today. -- the

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devolution of air passenger duty. Protecting the Barrett is key, and

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that is why the climate change plan backing up the legislation that is

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already in place, paving the way for the new legislation that we are

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going to bring in is so important. Let's not forget one of the central

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issues here. Scotland is already meeting its climate change target,

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and is seen as a world leader when it comes to reducing emissions and

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tackling climate change, that is something all of us should be proud

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of and we should continue to make sure that in everything we do we set

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environmental standards that the rest of the world want to emulate.

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Supplementary questions. Did the Prime Minister note that last night

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the Labour Party signed a blank cheque to the First Minister to ally

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without further democratic reference to determine the terms of the EU,

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and in particular the White Paper and paragraph 8.16 which said that

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there should be a mutually beneficial solution for the

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Spaniards in the UK in relation to fishing. Clearly con firm in a

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sell-out of an interest by the Tories once again!

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APPLAUSE Nobody should be surprised if the

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Tory Government are preparing to sell at the Scottish fishing

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industry, because they have done it on plenty of occasions before. But

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in terms of the wider issue about the vote in the House of Commons

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last night, I think it is deeply regrettable that amendment after

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amendment was rejected by the Government, and we are talking about

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amendments that ask for protection from EU nationals, ask the

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Government to commit to not doing things like breaching the Good

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Friday agreement in Northern Ireland, all of these amendments

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were rejected, not a single concession was won through any of

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these amendments, and yet we still have a Labour so-called opposition

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that decides to vote for that bill and hand the Conservative government

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a blank cheque. I think that is utterly pathetic, and shows the

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weakness of the opposition that there is in the UK Parliament in

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form of the Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn was treated last night that

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the real fight begins now, but how utterly pathetic, that is not so

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much bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, it is more

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like closing the stable door after the horse is dead and buried. The UK

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badly needs vigorous opposition in the House of Commons. The SNP is

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providing it every day, it is just a pity that the Labour Party are

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failing to do so. Thank you, Presiding Officer. This week the SNP

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have confirmed E.ON all doubt that they no longer accept the overall

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outcome of the democratic process. -- beyond all doubt. So in that same

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spirit, can the First Minister guarantee that my constituents, who

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neither voted for her as First Minister north this Scottish

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Government, will not be forced to take part in a second independence

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referendum against their express will? I think it is clear and

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becoming increasingly clear with every week that passes that the

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people the Tories in this chamber represent other Tory government in

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Westminster. That is who they are here to represent and stand up for.

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APPLAUSE Let me remind the member that 62% of

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the people of Scotland voted to remain in the European Union, and I

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have a duty as First Minister to stand up for the interests of this

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country and to do everything I can to make sure that the Tories do not

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get away with taking Scotland of a hard Brexit cliff edge with the

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implications that have jobs, investment, economy as a whole and

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the very society that we live in. On the question of a second

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independence referendum, I have been very clear about my determination to

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find compromise. It just so happens I am facing a UK Government that

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isn't willing to compromise with me. But I have also said that I am

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determined to ensure that Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU

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and dragged off that hard Brexit cliff edge against its will. My

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mandate for that, it was in the manifesto that I was elected on just

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under one year ago. APPLAUSE

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Politicians to... Both of which are designed to increase flights and

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flight paths. As I have said before and as I think most people

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recognise, we have to strike the right balance between ensuring our

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economy can grow and we are providing the infrastructure and the

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travel connections, whether they are road networks, public transport or

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aviation connections that support the economic growth of our economy

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but also making sure that we have that Baker is on the environment

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that I have already spoken about. Scotland is leading the world when

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it comes to climate change and that is something we should all be out

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of. Stuart McMillan. To ask the First Minister what legislation is

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in place to deal with drug trials. -- drug driving. Drug driving can

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ruin lives like drink-driving and taking illegal drugs and driving is

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completely irresponsible. We have long-standing legislation in place

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which makes it illegal to drive was impaired by drugs. This is used by

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the police and our courts to ensure that those who take drugs and drive

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can be held to account for putting their lives and the lives of others

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at risk. Our priority is to help make Scotland's raids say that we

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will always consider policies careful -- carefully that can make

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them safer. Thank you for that. I would like to refer ministers to my

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interest in this. The drug driving limits were introduced in 2015 and

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an evaluation of those limits is likely to be published in the next

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few months. Can the First Minister tell me whether the Scottish

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Government will be looking at the effect these limits have had and

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whether she will be looking at further efforts in Scotland if it is

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deemed appropriate to do so? Yes, we will, and I think he raises a point

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that is important. We prioritise legislation in 2014 to lower the

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drink-drive limit as evidence showed that lives would be saved by doing

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that. We will study very carefully the valuation of the drug driving

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limits introduced in England and Wales to see whether we should

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introduce similar, if the evidence shows that that would be beneficial

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here. I welcome some of the comments the First Minister has made but as

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legislation changed in England and Wales two years ago, we'll ready now

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has been a fourfold increase in the number of motorists charged with

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drink-driving and conviction rates have moved to 95% from 52%. Is that

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not the evidence that we need and why are we so behind the curve

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compared with the rest of the UK? I think that some of the evidence we

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will want to look at and make sure that we are responding it. It is

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important to stress this so that anybody listening to this is it

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loudly and clearly, it is already an offence to be in charge of a motor

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vehicle while unfit to drive through drink or drugs. It is very clear

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that all of us while taking part in what is an important discussion

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don't allow that message to be underplayed. When police suspect a

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motorist of drug driving, they can already carry out a roadside test

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and if the driver failed that test, they can arrest the driver and take

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them to the police station where further tests are carried out. So it

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is already an offence to drive a car in this country if you are employer

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-- impaired due to drugs and nobody, absolutely nobody, should do such a

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thing. We will wait for the evaluation of the drug driving

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limits in England and Wales to inform our consideration of the best

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approach to that in Scotland to see whether that development would help

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us make our roads even safer. I'm sure all members would understand

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that it is a complex area. I understand there are individual

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limits for 70 different drug types in England and Wales. I know the

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evaluation is due to be published this year. We expect that to be

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helpful and it will build on the evidence the member has already

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cited so that we can understand the ball practical implications of drug

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driving limits and whether the potential benefits have been

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realised in England and Wales. The final point I would make here was

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distressing absolutely that one death on our roads is too many, our

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roads are generally becoming safer overall but that should also

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increase our determination to do anything reasonable to make our

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roads safer still. In relation to legislation to open relation to

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driving offences, under the Scotland act 2004, the police have authority

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to issue a written warning for driving they consider is causing

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alarm, distress or annoyance and, if indeed, there is a repeat of that

:36:17.:36:20.

offence within 12 months, to confiscate the vehicle. Yet there is

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no appeal procedure in relation to the written warning. Can I ask if

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the Government will revisit this legislation as it seems to me that

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is in breach of article six, the right to a fair hearing? I am happy

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to look into this matter and I ask the Justice Secretary to reply to

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Christine Grahame. Without prejudging the response, I would say

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that I think it is important the police have the tools they need to

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make our roads as safe as they possibly can be which is why I

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stress the law as it currently stands but also say readily that we

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must look at evidence elsewhere in the UK to see if there are further

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steps we can take. It's police -- it's imported the police have the

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steps they need but I will ask the Justice Secretary to look into the

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specifics that Christine Grahame races and get back to her as soon as

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possible. To ask the First Minister to look at what steps the Scottish

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Government has taken to reduce the number of delayed discharges from

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hospital. The introduction of health and social care integration is a key

:37:24.:37:29.

driver in driving discharge. We have seen a deep crease in the number of

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bed days last impaired the last year and every month compared to last

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that have continued. In 2017 to 2018, the budget plans for almost

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half ?1 billion of NHS investment in social care and health. Cabinet

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minister promised to abolish a bed blocking two years ago but

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statistics show that over 45,000 days were spent in hospital by

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people that were fit to leave. Last month, it was revealed that 700

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people died in Scotland's hospitals whilst waiting to be discharged and

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this week we have that one patient was stuck in hospital for 508 days

:38:19.:38:23.

awaiting discharge. For the avoidance of any doubt, we all thank

:38:24.:38:31.

the professional and committed NHS staff. However, does the First

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Minister accept that more needs to be done to prevent vulnerable people

:38:36.:38:41.

being stranded in hospital? I absolutely accept the importance of

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us continuing to make progress in reducing and eradicating delayed

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discharges from our hospitals. In terms of some of the report with the

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about very, very long waits, whilst I won't get into individual cases,

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it is important that we take care in talking about these cases. What we

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will also find with what appeared to be exceptionally long waits is that

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they are very conjugated cases. Often they will be people who are

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adults with incapacity and legislation is the reason for them

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continuing to be in hospital, outside of the control of our health

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and social care system. That would be the first point I would make. The

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second point I would make is that whilst we still have work to do, we

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are seeing a steady reduction in bed days lost to delayed discharge in

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Scotland. That is down to, and I have spoken to professionals who

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tell me this, that it is down to the benefits now coming free from the

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health and social care integration and into expanding social care

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services. It is important that we accelerate and keep focused on that

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work. The last point I would make is not in any way to say that we don't

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have more work to do here in Scotland or to absolve the Scottish

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Government of our responsibilities, but what we are seeing in delayed

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discharges, let similarly to what we see in AMD, is a real divergences of

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performance comparing Scotland to the rest of the UK. Delayed

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discharge is going up in England and I think we have seen the King 's

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fund and the Nuffield trust saying that the official figures there do

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not even show the true story and they hide a lot of the reality of

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the situation. We have got more work to do but let's get behind those in

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our Health Service and social care services and the to do that, because

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this Government has made the reform in the shape of integration and is

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putting in the resources to equipment to do just that so that we

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can eventually eradicate delayed discharge from our hospitals. I'd

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like to thank Billy Carson for raising the attention of the Liberal

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Democrat investigation into that. Further to this, today we publish

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additional statistics which show that as of mid-January, patients in

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Lothian, Highland, Ayrshire and Arran were waiting as many as 200

:41:07.:41:09.

days and more to be discharged from hospital after they were deemed fit

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to go home. In Glasgow, there is a patient who has waited 370 days

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after being deemed fit to go home. A consultant neurosurgeon two weeks

:41:21.:41:27.

ago came to my constituency to be mowing the biggest crisis in his

:41:28.:41:31.

career. Every week his colleagues and himself are having to turn away

:41:32.:41:36.

patients and cancel operations due to bed blocking in that hospital.

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Will the First Minister accept his in -- his invitation to his hospital

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this afternoon to explain to his patients by their operations have

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been cancelled? I have visited the Western General Hospital many, many

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times in the years that I've been in Government, particularly when I was

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Health Secretary. I am always delighted to visit the Western

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general and look forward to doing so in the not too distant future. This

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is a very important issue but I would say to the member, as I would

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take to the previous member who raised this question, we don't want

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to see anyone delayed in hospital any longer than they have to be

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that, but when we are dealing with very long waits particularly, more

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often than not when I go into this specific cases mentioned in the

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chamber, there are very complex situations often involving the

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adults with incapacity legislation. What that means is that this is not

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a situation where somebody has been delayed because of anything the

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health and social care services are not doing, it is the court process

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in terms of adults with incapacity. Often there will be other

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complexities in these cases. For example, I heard of a case, and I

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would go into details, but the reason the person was delayed longer

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than they should have been was because the accommodation that had

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to be provided for that person was very specialist that it took longer

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to that. I simply caution members from citing these particular cases

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as evidence of a wider issue. The wider issue in terms of delayed

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discharge in Scotland is yes, we have still got work to do, but

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unlike other places in the UK, we are seeing delayed discharge coming

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down and I would say again that that is not happening accidentally. It is

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happening because of social care and health integration and because of

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the hard work of those who work in our health and social care systems

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right across the country. To ask the First Minister what the Scottish

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Government's responses to recent NSPCC figures which show that

:43:48.:43:50.

thousands of children with serious mental health problems rang

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ChildLine last year. More children and young people are coming forward

:43:58.:44:00.

to ask for help and that shows that in the past there were far too many

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children who were not seen and his needs were not met. We do want

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people to come forward for help to whatever age and they feel most

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comfortable, including ChildLine. It is not the wrong response for a

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young person to contact ChildLine and that is why the Government

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continues to support ChildLine financially, this year to the tune

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of ?310,000. I thank the First Minister for her answer. This week,

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the Scottish children services highlighted that the number of

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children with identified mental health issues in schools more than

:44:37.:44:40.

doubled between 2012 and 2016. This is according to the Scottish

:44:41.:44:46.

Government's and statistics. Over the same period, Scottish Government

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statistics confirmed that the number of educational psychologists

:44:51.:44:54.

employed in Scotland continues to fall and applications for

:44:55.:44:56.

postgraduate study have been plummeting since 2012, the same year

:44:57.:45:02.

that the bursary funding for trainee psychologists was removed by the

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Scottish Government. Is the best Minister willing to give

:45:06.:45:11.

consideration to reinstating funding support for trainee psychologists

:45:12.:45:14.

and what insurances can to get that the mental health Minister and

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preparatory -- the Cabinet secretary of education are working urgently to

:45:19.:45:21.

adjust the mental health crisis in our classrooms

:45:22.:45:23.

In terms of psychology, CAHMS children and support has increased

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by 60%, and psychologists posts are up by 60% as well, and overall, the

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CAHMS workforce has increased by 58%, and that reflect the additional

:45:47.:45:53.

investment we are putting into mental health services, but she is

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right to raise this issue, and she raises it regularly and I commend

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her for doing so. She talks about the increase of the number of young

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people with identified health needs. We know that many young people in

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the past did not become identified and didn't get the help they need,

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and we now have because of the reduced stigma and other factors

:46:17.:46:21.

more young people being identified, and therefore able to access the

:46:22.:46:24.

support they need. We continue to invest in mental health services, to

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increase the workforce, to reduce waiting times and to make sure young

:46:28.:46:31.

people get access to the services they need in a timely fashion. In

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terms of the issue about school liaison, I have said before and I

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said in the last couple of weeks in this chamber, the health service

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cannot deal with this on its own, so the joint working with our education

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system between councils and services is important, and the mental health

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strategy when that is published will reflect the need for joint working.

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On the issue of child line, given that that was the thrust of the

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question, we will continue to make sure that we are providing bursary

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and financial support where we consider that to be necessary. In

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terms of ChildLine, let me not finish before I thank them for their

:47:15.:47:19.

work that they do. ChildLine is an essential resource for young people,

:47:20.:47:22.

which is why the Government want to go on supporting it with the

:47:23.:47:25.

financial help that we do. APPLAUSE

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That concludes First Minister's questions.

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And there we have it, the close of questions to the First Minister.

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Brexit featuring, but a bigger opening section on attainment in

:47:41.:47:45.

Scotland's schools, the Sutton Trust report based is the First Minister

:47:46.:47:50.

said repeatedly upon international figures, and based upon data that

:47:51.:47:53.

was two years old, but nonetheless, I will discuss it now with a couple

:47:54.:47:58.

of colleagues, it was not a good day at the office the First Minister,

:47:59.:48:02.

you could see the Education Secretary looking glum. Indeed,

:48:03.:48:05.

Nicola Sturgeon said she wants to be judged on education, and I think the

:48:06.:48:09.

opposition party leaders were only too happy to oblige today. She is at

:48:10.:48:14.

her best with her back against the wall, she comes out fighting, but

:48:15.:48:17.

that report that came out today was so damning, it gave the party leader

:48:18.:48:22.

so much ammunition, she got a verbal pummelling, and you could tell that

:48:23.:48:26.

she was struggling by saying that Ruth Davidson was talking down

:48:27.:48:31.

teachers. I think the basic problem is she is saying we are starting to

:48:32.:48:36.

put measures now in 2015 after I became First Minister to try to

:48:37.:48:39.

improve the situation, and the opposition party leaders are saying,

:48:40.:48:44.

that is near zero, you have been a senior member of this Government

:48:45.:48:47.

Ranegie ten years now, on the record is pretty appalling. Rebecca, the

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two issues arising, the attainment gap between those from less well-off

:48:54.:48:57.

families and those families that are doing OK, but there was also the

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issue that even those families that are doing OK economically, it would

:49:02.:49:07.

seem from this analysis that their children are struggling as well by

:49:08.:49:11.

comparison with elsewhere. That's right, so these are two issues that

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the First Minister has been struggling with the sometime now,

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and as Simon says, it is no longer possible to fall back on blaming the

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previous government, ten years in power. The other difficulty that

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they have is that in fairness to the Scottish Government, they don't have

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all the levers of control over education. Many of them reside with

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local government. We have seen in the budget the Scottish Government

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trying to circumvent that problem by giving this ?120 million fund

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directly to head teachers to deal with the problems, but no doubt

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about it, there are problems. You just have to look at the gloomy

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faces, it has to work, giving ?120 million directly to schools, but is

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controversial because local councils don't like power being taken away

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from them, and this has got to get better politically for the First

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Minister. This is a very difficult, intractable, long-standing problem.

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Throwing money at it might not work, structural change might not work, it

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will be long and difficult and there is no quick fix to this. Nicola

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Sturgeon having tied her reputation to this so closely, the stakes are

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high for her personally in getting this to work. Ms resonate with her,

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given her personal background, seeing children from deprived

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backgrounds being able to fulfil their potential, and a report today

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says that isn't happening. She was adamant in saying she was not

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dismissing the report, she wasn't dismissing other reports, Kezia

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Dugdale try to pin that on her, and she said, no, we are facing this.

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There was a definite tone of humility coming across from the

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First Minister on this, and as you say, higher education Minister

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looking very solemn. He is usually Heckerling B opponents, but he was

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looking very sombre, serious. And you might have expected talk to be

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dominated by the second referendum on Brexit, but this was pursued so

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heavily, and it was perhaps not surprising that they went away from

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the Brexit issue, but nevertheless, this is not going to go away. We are

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going to talk later about the budget process, of course there is a deal

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between the Scottish Government and the Greens. It sounded like Patrick

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Harvie was trying to get in his bid for the next tax fight over air

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passenger duty. He has been accused recently of cosying up to the SNP,

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being a patsy was the term one person used. You try to stop the use

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of that phrase, said it was unpleasant line which. Some of the

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questions have been quite a Molly and, criticising west Mr Rather than

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the Scottish Government, -- emollient, criticising Westminster

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rather than the Scottish Government. There did seem to be a contradiction

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in the First Minister's answer, she was saying that this move will help

:52:29.:52:33.

drive up the number of routes to and from Scotland, but at the same time,

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it won't put up carbon emissions, which seems to be counterintuitive.

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She said if there was an impact on carbon emissions, it would just mean

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they would have to succeed more strongly in other areas? That is

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right, I'm not sure how easy in practice that would be to achieve.

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It is interesting seeing Patrick Harvie returning to green territory

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with this one, and trying to differentiate himself from the

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Scottish Government. And we did get Brexit and the budget. She didn't

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seem awfully keen on Jeremy Corbyn. She didn't, that was definitely the

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best line of the morning, wasn't it? Yes, giving no quarter to Labour on

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this. And once again, using the opportunity to repeat her mandate,

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her manifesto commitment, to call a second referendum. And it has felt I

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think this week as if we are almost entering a phoney war period even

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though the second referendum hasn't yet been called and it may not be.

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Where are we on this one? Was it game on, or was there still room for

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compromise? I think we are where we have been over the past couple of

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weeks, I think it is almost inevitable it is going to be called.

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I can't see how she would have managed to macho party back down of

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the top of the hill. She said she wanted compromise, the UK Government

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would do so and so she had a mandate. And one of the things they

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are really looking at here is the labour angle. Before the 2014

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referendum, there were a lot of Labour Party supporters who thought

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that there might be a Labour government next May under Ed

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Miliband, now that is off the table, she says Labour has folded, they are

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not there for people and that will play a major part in the campaign

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for a second independence referendum. So, game on eventually.

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We will come back to you in a minute. The budget is moving this

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week. We had stage two, the consideration committee, going

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through fairly briskly, but it went few after some sharp exchanges over

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the nature of the agreement, the process that led up to the agreement

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between the Scottish Government and the Greens. Here are those exchanges

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from the committee. It turns out you had down the back of the sofa the

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best part of 200 William Hams you were not telling us about. So how

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can it have been fair to Parliament and this committee which is trying

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to scrutinise your draft budget and trying to carry out detailed and

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proper Parliamentary scrutiny of that when you have all this money

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squirrelled away that you were not telling us about? I was trying to

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make you work for your money, to see if you could find any more resources

:55:25.:55:30.

that I wasn't able to allocate! That is unlikely to change for a while.

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What do you think it says for the transparency of the budget Cabinet

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Secretary when effectively you have been sitting on a slush fund which

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you had at the time of the publication of the draft budget

:55:46.:55:47.

several weeks ago, and you hold that back in order for the negotiations

:55:48.:55:53.

therefore not being completely open with Parliament at the time of the

:55:54.:55:57.

draft budget? Is to Kelly, that is not an accurate, fair or reasonable

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characterisation of the budget process, a process that your party

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had also engaged in. I think it is very constructive of government to

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listen to Parliament, to listen to the parties in parliament and to do

:56:12.:56:15.

everything it possibly can to make decisions to try to find consensus

:56:16.:56:19.

to get a budget through. I don't think it is unreasonable to make

:56:20.:56:23.

decisions to enable us to do that, and I totally refute any suggestion

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that I was sitting on any sort of fund ready to go. It was political

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decisions that ensure that I could arrive at a proposition to be able

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to allocate ?160 million extra resources on ring fenced to local

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Government, and I would have thought that Mr Kelly would have welcomed

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it, but he seems bitter about it. Defending the budget process and

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having a go at the Tories. We expect the final two votes the week after

:56:52.:56:57.

next, one on tax, and then a vote on stage three. The tax rate will be a

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big moment. Absolutely. I know it is a minor tweak at the edges in terms

:57:03.:57:08.

of changing the thresholds of the rates, they are not overhauling the

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bands, but it is hugely symbolic, that is the first time that Scottish

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Parliament has voted on all income tax rates. So those who earn that

:57:16.:57:22.

much will be paying more than in England. Absolutely, and the only

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reason they want we pay more in absolute terms is the Chancellor in

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England is putting up a personal allowance, so it is a hugely

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symbolic moment, and the Tories will be claiming that tax increase for

:57:34.:57:37.

all it is worth. And what about the claims that the processes to secret

:57:38.:57:42.

and behind-the-scenes? You might expect that coming from opposition

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MSPs. Especially the ones you want to be involved in the deal! But it

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is a bit more serious than that, because it was the group of

:57:55.:57:59.

independent economist who scrutinised it who has been raising

:58:00.:58:03.

concerns about the budget process ever since the first budget document

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was published, and so it is hard to see how the same kind of approach

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can be taken next year. They have been calling for greater

:58:15.:58:16.

transparency in the budget documents, and certainly if MSPs

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next year are going to be looking for what they claim is money down

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the back of the sofa. Money down the back of the sofa, probably be

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necessary 18th century, since the Marquis was in charge! Thank you

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both very much indeed for joining me today. We are coming to the end of

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our programme here today, and we will bring you further details on

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Brexit of Europe and all that stuff, and Lookout also, the week after

:58:43.:58:47.

next, those two big votes, probably on the Tuesday, and finalising the

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budget probably on the Thursday. Square sausages!

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La creme de la creme. The French kiss.

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THEY LAUGH When author

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Sir Terry Pratchett died, They called on Death to

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give Terry back.

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