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Welcome to this BBC News special. I am Katty Kay at Hofstra University

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in New York, where in a couple of minutes, Hillary Clinton and Donald

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Trump will meet each other on the stage behind me for their first

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televised presidential debate. Some 100 million American viewers are

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expected to tune in to watch it live. We will be following the

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proceedings on the BBC. You can go to our live page on the website for

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all of the coverage. You can find all of the latest analysis and the

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debate as it unfolds. I am joined by Anthony Zurcher, our political

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reporter. Huge stakes for these two candidates. Absolutely, not just

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because there will be a lot of people watching. About 100 million

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is the estimate. There is a high number of undecided voters, more

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than past elections. 18% of the electorate right now is either

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supporting a third-party candidate or is on the fence of whether to

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support Donald or Hillary. A lot of people going into this with an open

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mind. We will see what they get out of it. We as showing you pictures

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from inside the debate hall, and that is Lester Holt, the moderator.

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He is an NBC News anchor. A lot of pressure for the moderator. He will

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bring on the candidates. The debate lasts for 90 minutes straight with

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no brakes. No time to get a cup of tea or go to the bathroom. Three big

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subjects, six different sections, 15 minute it. That is how the debate is

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structured. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will come onto the

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stage behind those podiums. There is a live audience in the hole behind

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me and a massive audience in America and around the world watching it on

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television. What are the candidates doing right now? They are probably

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doing last-minute preparations, touching up make up, getting

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well-wishers from staff, a couple of last-minute tips. They have prepared

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in their own way. Hillary Clinton has her briefing books and a lot of

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details. Donald Trump I imagine will be ready to do his from the calf

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more important to type of speaking style -- off the cuff. We will see

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what happens. It is not good did and they will have to adjust to each

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other's style. -- scripted. What they have been working on is what to

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expect. We sought Donald Trump debate during the primaries against

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several other Republican candidates. At times, he was combative and at

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times retreated. The trick for Hillary Clinton is to know how to

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take on Donald Trump. He has never been a candidate like him or a

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debater like him. During the Republican armoury debates, some of

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his candidates tried to goad him. There is frequent in coming onto the

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stage. The challenge for her, which Donald Trump? If you take a look at

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the polls, another challenge will be to reach millennial voters. She has

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had a weakness among younger voters. I will not be surprised if she talks

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about making education more affordable. That is the demographic

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in play. A New York Times columnist summed up as Donald Trump has to

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show he has a rain and Hillary Clinton has to show she has a hard.

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They are starting now welcome to the first presidential debate. The

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candidates are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. It is sponsored by a

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non-partisan non-profit organisation. The rules have been

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agreed to by the candidates. The 90 minute debate is divided into six

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segments, each 15 minutes long. We will explore three topic areas

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tonight, achieving prosperity, America's direction, and security.

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At the start of each segment, I will ask the same question to both

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candidates and they will have up to two minutes to respond. From that

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point until the end of the segment, we will have an open discussion. The

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questions are mine and have not been shared with the commission or the

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campaigns. The audience has agreed to remain silent so we can focus on

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what the candidates are saying. I will invite you to applaud at this

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moment as we welcome the candidates, Democratic nominee for president of

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the United States, Hillary Clinton, and Republican nominee for president

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of the night it stunk -- of the United States, Donald Trump.

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APPLAUSE CHEERING

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Jelinek how are you, Donald? I don't expect us to cover all of

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the issues of this campaign tonight, but I remind everyone, there are two

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more debates scheduled. We will focus on many issues voters tell us

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our most important. We will press for specifics. I am honoured to have

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this role, but this evening belongs to the candidates, and just as

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importantly, to the American people. We look forward to hearing you

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articulate your policy positions, visions and values. Let's begin. We

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are calling this opening segment achieving prosperity. Central to

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that is jobs. They are to economic realities in America today. There

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has been record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers

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show incomes have increased and a recordbreaker after years of

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stagnation. However, income inequality remains insignificant and

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nearly of Americans are living paycheque to paycheque. Beginning

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with you, Secretary Clinton, why are you a better choice than your

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opponent to create the kind of jobs that will put more money in the

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pockets of American workers? Thank you, and thank you to Hofstra

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University for hosting us. The central question in this election is

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really what kind of country we want to be in and what kind of future we

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will build together. Today is my granddaughter's second birthday, so

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I think about this a lot. First we have to build an economy that works

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for everyone, not just those at the top. That means we need new jobs and

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good jobs with rising incomes. I want us to invest in you. I want us

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to invest in your future. That means jobs and infrastructure and advanced

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Manufacturer. Innovation and technology. Clean renewable energy

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and small business. Most of the new jobs will come from small business.

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We also have to make the economy there. That starts with raising the

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national minimum wage. And also guarantee, finally, equal pay for

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women's Web. I want to see more companies do profit-sharing. If you

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help create profits you should be able to share in them, not just the

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executives at the top. I want us to do more to support people who are

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struggling to balance family and work. I have heard from so many of

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you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you are

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under. Let's have paid family leave. Sick days. Let's have affordable

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childcare in debt free college. We will do it by having the wealthy pay

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their fair share and close the corporate loopholes. Finally,

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tonight, we are on the stage tonight, Donald Trump and I. Donald,

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it is good to be with you. We are going to have a debate where we are

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talking about the important issues facing our country. You have to

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judge asked. Who can shoulder the immense awesome responsibilities of

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the presidency? Who can put into action the plans that will make your

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life better? I hope I will be able to own your vote on November the

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eighth. -- N. Thank you. The same question to you, about putting more

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money in the pockets of American workers. You have up to two minutes.

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Thank you. Our jobs are fleeing the country, going to Mexico and other

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countries. Look at what China is doing to our country. They are to

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value in their currency. There is nobody in our government to fight

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them. We have a very good fight and a winning five. They are using our

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country as a piggybank to rebuild China, and many countries are doing

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the same thing. -- winning fight. We are losing so many good jobs. When

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you look at what is happening in Mexico, a friend of mine said it is

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the eighth wonder of the world, building some of the biggest plants,

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some of the most sophisticated. With the United States, not so much. Ford

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is leaving. UCB small car division living. Thousands of jobs leaving

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Michigan, a higher, they are all living, and we cannot allow it to

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happen. As far as childcare and so many other things, I think Hillary

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Clinton and I agree, we probably disagree as to numbers and amounts

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and what we are going to do, but perhaps we will talk about that

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later. But we have to stop our jobs from being stolen from us. We have

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to stop our companies from leaving the United States, and with that,

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barring all of their people. All you have to do is look at the air

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conditioning in Indianapolis. They are going to Mexico. So many

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hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. We cannot let it

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happen. Under my plan, I will be reducing taxes, tremendously, from

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35% down to 15% for small and big businesses. That will be a job

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creator like we have not seen since Ronald Reagan. It will be a

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beautiful thing to watch. Companies will come and build and expand. You

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companies will start. I look forward to doing it. We have to renegotiate

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our trade Guilds and we have to stop these countries from stealing our

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companies and our jobs. Would you like to respond? I think trade is an

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important issue. We are 5% of the world's population and have to trade

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with the other 95%. We need to have smart and fair trade deals. We also

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need to have a tax system that rewards work and not just financial

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transactions. The kind of plan that Donald has put forward would be

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cheaper down economics all over again. It would be the most extreme

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version, tax cuts for the top % -- trickle down. I call it trumped up

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chicle down, because that is what it would be. That is not how we grow

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the economy. We just have a different view about what is best

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for growing the economy, how we make investments that will produce jobs

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and rising incomes. I think we come at it from someone different

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perspectives. I understand that. Donald was very unfortunate in his

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life, and that is all to his benefit. He started his business

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with $14 million borrowed from his father. He really believes that the

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more you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be in that

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everything will work out. I don't buy that. I have a different

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express. My father was a small businessmen. He worked hard printing

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Jo Frith fabrics on long tables, where he would pull out those

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fabrics and go down with a still screen and put the painting and get

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going. -- silkscreen. The more we can do for the and investing you,

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your education, law skills, the future, the better we will be in the

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better we will grow. That is the kind of economy I want us to see

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again. You have talked about creating 25 main jobs and promised

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to bring back millions of jobs for Americans -- 25 million. How will

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you bring back industries that have left is country the cheaper labour

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overseas? Specifically how will you tell manufacturers they have to come

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back? Before we start on that, my father gave me a small amount and I

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built it into accompanied with many billions of dollars with some of the

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greatest assets and the world. I say that the goods that is the kind of

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thinking our country needs. Our country is in deep trouble. We do

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not know what we are doing when it comes to devaluations. These

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countries, especially China, they are the best ever at it. What they

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are doing to us is a sad thing. We have to do that. We have to

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renegotiate our traders. They are taking our jobs, giving incentives,

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doing things we do not do. Let me give you an example of Mexico. They

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have a VAT tax. When we sell text into Mexico, there is a tax. When

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they sell into us, there is no tax. It is an defective agreement. But

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the politicians have not done anything about it. In all fairness

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to Secretary Clinton, yes, is that OK? Good. I want you to be very

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happy. It is very important to me. In all fairness, when she started

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talking about this, it was recently. She has been doing this for 30

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years. Why hasn't she make the agreement a better? The agreement is

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defective. Because of tax and many other reasons. Let me interact.

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Secretary Clinton and others, politicians, should have been doing

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this for years, not right now, just because we have created a movement.

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They should have been doing this for years. What happened to our jobs and

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our country and our economy generally, we owed $20 trillion. We

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cannot do it any longer. Back to the question, how do you specifically

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wingback jobs, American manufacturers? The first thing to do

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is not lead the jobs leave. The companies are leaving. There are

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thousands living and they are living in bigger numbers than ever. What

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you do is say fine, you want to go to Mexico or some other country, we

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wish you a lot of luck. But if you think you will make your cars,

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air-conditioners or cookies and bring them into our country without

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a tax, you are wrong. Once you say you will have to tax them coming in,

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and politicians never do this, because they have special interests,

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and they want those companies to leave, because in many cases, they

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own the companies. I am saying we can stop them from leaving. We have

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to stop them from leaving. That is a big factor. . HOLT: Secretary

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Clinton? Let us stop and remember where we were eight years ago. We

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were in the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. That was in large

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part because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed

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to invest in the middle took their eyes off Wall Street and created a

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perfect storm. In fact, Donald was one of the people who rooted for the

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housing crisis. Back in 2006 he said that he hoped it would collapse

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because he could go in, by some and make money. That is core business,

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by the way. 9 million people lost their jobs, 5 million lost their

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homes and trillions of dollars will wipe down in family wealth. We have

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come back from that abyss and it has not been easy. We are on the

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precipice of having a much better economy but the last thing we need

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to do is go back to the policies that failed us in the first place.

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Independent experts have looked at what I have proposed and what Donald

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has proposed and basically they have said that if his tax plan which

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would blow up the debt I over $5 trillion and would, in some

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instances, this advantage middle-class families, we would lose

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3.5 million jobs and maybe have another recession. They looked at my

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plans and they said OK, if we can do this, and I intend to get it done,

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we will have 10 million more new jobs because we will be making

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investments where we can grow the economy. Clean energy, for example,

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some country will be the clean energy superpower of the century.

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Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I

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do not say that. I do not say that. I say we gripped this and deal with

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it at home and abroad. We can employ more solar panels. We can have

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enough clean energy to supply every home. We can build a new grid. That

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is a lot of jobs and a lot of economic activity. I try to be very

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specific about what we can and should do and I am determined that

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we need to get the economy moving again, building on the progress we

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have made over the last eight years but never returning to what got us

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in trouble in the first place. She speaks about solar panels. It was a

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disaster. There was plenty of money lost on that one. I am a great

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believer in all forms of energy. But we are putting a lot of people out

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of work. Al energy policies are a disaster. Our country is losing so

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much in terms of energy, in terms of paying off our debts. You can not do

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what you are looking at doing with $20 trillion in debt. The Obama

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administration, since they have come in, is over 230 years worth of debt

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and he has doubled it in 7.5 years. I will tell you this. We must do a

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much better job at keeping our jobs. And we must do a better job at

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giving companies incentive to build new companies and to expand because

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we are not doing that. All you need to do is look at Michigan and Ohio

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and all of these places where so many of their jobs and companies are

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just leaving. They are gone. And, Hillary, I ask you this is- you have

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been doing this for 30 years. Why are you thinking about these

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solutions only now? Only now you are thinking of solutions. Excuse me. I

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will bring back jobs. You cannot. Actually, I have thought about this

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a lot. Yes, for 30 years. Not quite that long. I think my husband did a

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good job in the 1990s. He approved NAFTA which is the single worst

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trade deal ever in this country. Manufacturing jobs went up in the

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1990s if we will look at fact. When I was in the Senate I had a number

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of trade deals that came before me and I held them all to the same test

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- will they create jobs in America? Will they raise income? Are they

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good for our national security? The biggest one, a multi national one

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known as CAFTA, I voted against. I hold the same standards as I look at

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all these deals. Let us not assume that trade is the only challenge we

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have in the economy. I think it is a part of it and I have said what I am

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going to do, I will have a special prosecutor to enforce the trade

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deals that we have and to hold people accountable. When I was

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Secretary of State we increased American exported globally by 30%.

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We increased 50% into China. I know how to really work to get new jobs

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and exports that helped to create more new jobs. But you haven't done

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it in 30 years or 26 years. I am a senator. I have been Secretary of

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State and I have. Your husband signed NAFTA which is one of the

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worst things that ever happened. You go to New England, Ohio,

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Pennsylvania, anywhere you like, Secretary Clinton, and you will see

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devastation with manufacturers down up to 50%. NAFTA is maybe the worst

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trade deals signed anywhere, certainly in this country. And now

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you want to approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership. You were

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in favour of it and then you heard how is I said it was bad. You could

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not approve it then. That is almost as bad as NAFTA. That is just

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inaccurate. I was against it once. Once it was finally negotiated and

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the terms were laid out. I wrote about that. You called it the gold

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standard. You called it the gold standard of trade deals, the fine

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deal you had ever seen and then you heard what I said and then you win

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against it. I know, Donald, that you live in your own reality, but that

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is not the facts. After it was negotiated, which I was not

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responsible for, I concluded it was not a good deal. So is it the fault

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of President Obama? Secretary, is it the fault of President Obama because

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he is pushing it? There are differing views about what is good

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for our country, our economy and our leadership in the world. I think it

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is important to look at what we need to do to get the economy going

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again. That is why I said that new jobs with rising incomes,

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investments. Not more tax cuts that would add $5 trillion to the debt.

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But you have no plan. I wrote a book about it. It is called Stronger

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Together. You can purchase it in a book stall near you. We need strong

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and sustained growth. We also need to look at how we help families

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balance responsibilities at home and business. We have a robust set of

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plans and people have looked at our plans and have concluded that mine

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would create 10 million jobs and yours would lose us 3.5 million

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jobs. You are going to approve one of the biggest tax breaks in

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history. You are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in

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history. You will drive business out. Your regulations are a disaster

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and you will increase regulations all over the place and, by the way,

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my tax cut is the biggest since Ron Reagan. I am very proud of it. It

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will create tremendous numbers of new jobs. But you will regulate

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these businesses out of business. When I go around, Leicester, I tell

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you I have been all over, when I go around, the singer businesses and

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people like the most is the fact that I'm cutting regulation. You

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have regulations on top of regulations and new companies cannot

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form and old companies are going out of business and you want to increase

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the regulations and make them even worse. I will cut them. But I will

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cut taxes big-league and you will raise them big league. End of story.

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Let's move to the next step. I assumed that there would be a lot of

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these charges and claims. Facts. We have taken the homepage of my

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website and we have turned it into a fact checker. If you would like to

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see in real time what the facts are, please go and take a look. Please,

:24:56.:25:02.

also take a look at mine. Your plans would add $5 trillion to the debt.

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What I have proposed will cut regulations and streamline them for

:25:08.:25:10.

small businesses. What I have proposed will be paid for by raising

:25:11.:25:16.

taxes on the wealthy because they have made all of the gains in the

:25:17.:25:21.

economy and I think it is time that the wealthy and corporations paid

:25:22.:25:24.

their fair share to support this country. You have just opened the

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next segment. You go to her website and you take a look at our website.

:25:30.:25:36.

She is going to raise taxes bite trillions of dollars. It is no

:25:37.:25:40.

difference to this. She is telling us how to fight ISIS. Go to her

:25:41.:25:45.

website, she tells you how to fight ices. I don't think General Douglas

:25:46.:25:48.

MacArthur would like that too much. -- find ISIS. At least I have a plan

:25:49.:25:57.

to fight them. You are telling the enemy everything you want to do. No

:25:58.:26:02.

wonder you have been fighting ISIS your entire adult life. Folks, let

:26:03.:26:09.

me... Please, go to the fact checker. You are an packing a lot

:26:10.:26:29.

here and you in this next two-minute answer goes to you, Mr Trump. I am

:26:30.:26:35.

calling for major jobs because the wealthy will create an tremendous

:26:36.:26:39.

jobs, expand their companies and away tremendous job. I'm getting

:26:40.:26:43.

would have provisions and, if you look, it is really not a tax, a

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great thing for the wealthy, it is wonderful for the middle-class and

:26:48.:26:51.

for companies to expand. When these people put billions and billions of

:26:52.:26:56.

dollars into companies and when they bring $2.5 trillion back from

:26:57.:27:01.

overseas where they can bring their money back because politicians

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Secretary Clinton will not allow them to bring the money back because

:27:04.:27:07.

the taxes are so owner is in the bureaucratic red tape is so bad. So

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what they are doing as they are leaving our country and they are,

:27:12.:27:15.

believe it or not, believe it or not, leaving because taxes are too

:27:16.:27:19.

high and many of them have lots of money outside of our country and set

:27:20.:27:23.

of bringing it back and putting our country to work. Everybody agrees it

:27:24.:27:27.

should be brought back. Instead of that they are leaving our country to

:27:28.:27:31.

get their money because they cannot bring their money back into our

:27:32.:27:34.

country because of bureaucratic red tape because they can't get

:27:35.:27:39.

together. We have a president that can't sit around the table and get

:27:40.:27:43.

them to approve something. Here is the thing. Republicans and Democrats

:27:44.:27:47.

agreed that this should be done. $2.5 trillion. I think it is double

:27:48.:27:53.

that, wobbly $5 trillion we can bring into our country, Leicester,

:27:54.:27:57.

and, with a little leadership you would get it in here very quickly

:27:58.:28:01.

and it could be put to use on the inner cities and lots of other

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things and it would be beautiful. But we have no leadership. And,

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honestly, that starts with Secretary Clinton. You have two minutes on the

:28:09.:28:13.

same question to defend tax increases. I feel that by the end of

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this evening I will be blamed for everything that has ever happened.

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Why not? Just join the debate by saying more crazy things. There is

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nothing crazy about not letting our companies bring their money back

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into... This is Secretary Clinton's two minutes. Let's start the clock

:28:37.:28:41.

again, Leicester. We have looked at your tax proposals. I don't see

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changes in the corporate tax rates all the kinds of proposals are

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referring to that would call the repatriation of money that is

:28:54.:28:57.

stranded overseas. Then you did not read it. I happen to support that in

:28:58.:29:02.

a way that will actually work to our benefit. But when I look at what you

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have proposed you have what is called, now, the trump loophole

:29:09.:29:13.

because it would sell advantage you and the business you do. You have

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proposed... Who gave it that name? Mr Trump, this is Secretary Clinton

:29:20.:29:24.

is two minutes. How much for my family? As I said, Trumped-up

:29:25.:29:38.

trickle-down. That got us into the mess, trickle-down does not work.

:29:39.:29:41.

Slashing taxes of the wealthy does not work and a lot of smart wealthy

:29:42.:29:46.

people know that. They are saying, hey, we need to do more to make the

:29:47.:29:51.

contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle class. I do not

:29:52.:29:55.

think top-down works in America. I think building the middle class,

:29:56.:29:59.

investing in the middle class, making college debt free so that

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more people can get their education. Helping people refinance their debt

:30:04.:30:07.

from college at a lower rate. Those are the kind of things that will

:30:08.:30:12.

really boost the economy. Broad-based inclusive growth is what

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we need in America, not more advantages for people at the very

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top. Typical politician. All told, no

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action. Never going to happen. Our country is suffering because people

:30:29.:30:34.

like Secretary Clinton have made such bad decisions in terms of our

:30:35.:30:39.

jobs and in terms of what is going on. We have the worst revival of an

:30:40.:30:45.

economy since the great depression. And believe me, we are in a bubble

:30:46.:30:49.

right now. The only thing that looks good is the stock market. If you

:30:50.:30:53.

raise interest rates, that will come crashing down. We are in a league,

:30:54.:30:58.

fat, ugly bubble, and we have to be careful. This Janet Yellen of the

:30:59.:31:07.

Federal Reserve, they been political keeping interest rates at this

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level. The day Barack Obama leaves and goes out to the golf course for

:31:12.:31:16.

the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you

:31:17.:31:19.

will see very bad things happen. The Fed is not doing their job. The Fed

:31:20.:31:23.

is being more political than Secretary Clinton. We are talking

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about the burden Americans have to pay, you have not released your tax

:31:30.:31:33.

returns. The recent nominees have released their returns for decades

:31:34.:31:37.

is so voters will know if their potential president owes money to

:31:38.:31:43.

who they to any business conflicts. Don't Americans have a right to know

:31:44.:31:47.

if there are any conflicts of interest? I am under a routine audit

:31:48.:31:51.

and it will be released as sinners it is finished. But you will learn

:31:52.:31:56.

more about Donald Trump by going down to the federal elections, where

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I filed a 104 page financial statement, the forms they have, that

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show income. I just looked today. The income is filed at $694 million

:32:08.:32:16.

for this past year. If you would have told me I was going to make

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that 15 or 20 years ago, I would have been surprised. But that is the

:32:21.:32:24.

kind of thinking our country needs. When we have a country doing so

:32:25.:32:28.

badly, being ripped off by every country in the world, it is the kind

:32:29.:32:32.

of thinking that our country needs. Everybody, we have a trade deficit,

:32:33.:32:39.

with all of the countries we do business with, of almost $800

:32:40.:32:43.

billion a year. You know what that is? Who is negotiating these trade

:32:44.:32:49.

deals? We have people who are political hacks negotiating our

:32:50.:32:56.

trade Guilds. The IRS said you are perfectly free to release your taxes

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during an audit. The question is does the public right to know

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outweigh? I will release them as sinners the order is finished. I

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have been under order for 15 years. I know a lot of wealthy people never

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audited. I get audited or missed every year. It has almost come away

:33:17.:33:22.

of life, being audited by the RS. But other people don't -- IRS. We

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have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. I will

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release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes, when she releases

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her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted, and as soon as she releases

:33:40.:33:43.

them, I will release my tax returns. CHEERING

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Element my lawyers say don't do it. Watching the shows and reading the

:33:52.:33:55.

papers, or missed every lawyer says you do not released your returns and

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to the order is complete. When it is complete, I will do it. But I will

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go against them if she does it. So it is negotiable? Why did she delete

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33,000 in us? -- in us. I would just admonish the audience, we did ask

:34:16.:34:20.

you for salads. Another example of bait and switch -- salads. Everybody

:34:21.:34:26.

running for president has released their tax returns. You can see 39 or

:34:27.:34:31.

40 years of tax returns. Everyone has done it. We know the IRS has

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made clear there is no prohibition on releasing it under order. You

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have to ask yourself, why won't he released his tax returns? -- audit.

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There may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he is not as rich as he

:34:47.:34:52.

says he is. Maybe he is not as charitable as he says. We don't know

:34:53.:34:58.

all of his business dealings, but we have been told three investigators

:34:59.:35:03.

reporting he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks.

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But maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching

:35:09.:35:14.

tonight, to know he is paying nothing in federal taxes. The only

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use anybody has seen a couple of years when he had to turn them over

:35:21.:35:24.

to state authorities when trying to get a casino licence, and they

:35:25.:35:27.

showed he did not pay federal income tax. If he has paid zero, that means

:35:28.:35:37.

04 trips, 04 vets, zero the schools by health -- or health, and he is

:35:38.:35:43.

not in the set stick about having the rest of the country see what the

:35:44.:35:49.

real reasons are, because it must be something important or terrible he

:35:50.:35:53.

is trying to hide -- zero for troops. The financial disclosure

:35:54.:35:56.

statements do not give you all of the details that tax returns would.

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It just seems to me that this is something the American people

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deserve to see, and I have no reason to believe that he is ever going to

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release his tax returns. There is something he is hiding. We will keep

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guessing at what it might be he is hiding. But I think the question is,

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where he ever to get me the White House, what would be those

:36:22.:36:28.

conflicts? Who does he own money to? He owes you the answers to that and

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should provide them. He also raised the issue of your e-mails. Do you

:36:33.:36:38.

want to respond? I do. I made a mistake using a private e-mail. That

:36:39.:36:44.

is the shore. If I had to do it again, I would do it differently.

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But I will not make excuses. It was a mistake and I take responsibility

:36:49.:36:53.

for that. Mr Charm. That was more than a mistake -- Trumper. That was

:36:54.:37:00.

done on purpose. When you have your staff taking the fifth Amendment,

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taking the face, so they are not prosecuted. When you have the men

:37:06.:37:10.

who set up the illegal server taking the fifth Amendment, I think it is

:37:11.:37:14.

disgraceful. This country thinks it is disgraceful. Really thinks it is

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disgraceful. As far as my tax returns, you don't learn much from

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tax returns. You learn a lot from financial disclosure, and you should

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go down and take a look at that. I am under leveraged. The report that

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said $650 million, which by the way a lot of friends of mine said that

:37:36.:37:39.

is not a lot of money, relative to what I had, the buildings in

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question, in the same report, which was not a bad story, to be honest,

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the buildings are worth $3.9 billion. The $659 is not even that.

:37:48.:37:59.

I could give you a list of banks, very fine institutions, very fine

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banks. I can do that quickly. I am under leveraged. I have a great

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company and a tremendous income. The reason I say that is not to brag but

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because it is about time this country had somebody running it that

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has an idea about money. When we have $20 trillion in debt, and our

:38:19.:38:22.

country is a mess, it is one thing to have $20 trillion in debt on our

:38:23.:38:27.

roads and bridges are good and everything is in great shape. Our

:38:28.:38:31.

airports are like from a world third World country. You land at Newark or

:38:32.:38:41.

LAX, you come in from to buy or China, is the these incredible

:38:42.:38:46.

airports and you land -- leg. We have become a third World country.

:38:47.:38:52.

We owe $20 trillion and we are a mess! We haven't even started. We

:38:53.:38:57.

have spent $16 in the Middle East, according to a report I just saw --

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$6 trillion. We could have rebuilt our country twice for that. It is

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with a shame. It is politicians like Secretary Clinton that have caused

:39:12.:39:14.

this problem. Our country has commenced problems. We are in debt,

:39:15.:39:20.

in serious debt, and we have a country that needs new roads,

:39:21.:39:26.

tunnels, bridges, airports, schools, hospitals, and we don't have the

:39:27.:39:30.

money because it has been squandered on so many of your ideas. Maybe

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because you have not paid any federal income taxes for a lot of

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years. The other thing I think is important... It would be squandered

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as well. If your main claim to be president of the United States is

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your business, I think we should talk about that. Your campaign

:39:49.:39:53.

manager said you built a lot of businesses is on the backs of little

:39:54.:39:59.

guys, and I have met a lot of the people who were stiffed by you and

:40:00.:40:04.

your businesses, Donald. I have met dishwashers, painters, architects,

:40:05.:40:12.

glass installers, marble installers, drapery installers, like my dad was,

:40:13.:40:18.

you refuse to pay when they finished the work that you ask them to do. We

:40:19.:40:23.

have an architect in the audience who designed one of your clubhouses

:40:24.:40:27.

at one of your golf courses. It is a beautiful facility. It immediately

:40:28.:40:34.

was put to use. And you would not pay what the men needed to be paid,

:40:35.:40:39.

what it was charging you. Maybe he did not do a good job and I was

:40:40.:40:45.

unsatisfied with his work. There are thousands of people you have stiffed

:40:46.:40:49.

over because of your business. Do they not deserve some kind of

:40:50.:40:54.

apology from someone who has taken their labour, taking the goods they

:40:55.:40:59.

produced, and then refuse to pay them? I can only say I am certainly

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believed my father never did business with you. He provided a

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good middle-class life for us, but the people he worked for, he

:41:09.:41:12.

expected the bargain to be kept on both sides. When we talk about your

:41:13.:41:17.

business, you have taken business bankruptcy six times. There are a

:41:18.:41:23.

lot of great business people that have never taken bankruptcy once.

:41:24.:41:27.

You call yourself the king of debt. You talk about leveraged. At one

:41:28.:41:32.

time, and even suggested you had tried to negotiate down the national

:41:33.:41:37.

debt of the United States. Wrong. Sometimes there is not a direct

:41:38.:41:43.

transfer of skills from business to government. But sometimes what

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happened in business would be really bad the government. I think it is

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time. I do think it is time. It is all words and sound bites. I built

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an unbelievable company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the

:42:01.:42:04.

world, and on to the United States, in Europe, lots of different places.

:42:05.:42:09.

It is an unbelievable company. But on occasion, four times, we used

:42:10.:42:17.

certain laws that are there, and when Secretary Clinton talks about

:42:18.:42:21.

people that did not get paid, first of all, they do get paid a lot. But

:42:22.:42:25.

taking advantage of the laws of the nation. If you want to change the

:42:26.:42:30.

laws, you have been there a long time, change the laws. But I have

:42:31.:42:35.

taken advantage of the laws of the nation. I am running a country. My

:42:36.:42:40.

obligation is to do well for myself, my family, my employees and my

:42:41.:42:44.

companies, and that is what I do. But she does not say that the tens

:42:45.:42:49.

of thousands of people who are unbelievably happy and love me, I

:42:50.:42:52.

will give you an example. We are just opening up on Pennsylvania

:42:53.:42:56.

Avenue, right next to the White House, so if I don't get their

:42:57.:43:00.

1-way, I will get to Pennsylvania Avenue another way. But we are

:43:01.:43:05.

opening the old Post Office, under budget, ahead of schedule, saving

:43:06.:43:10.

tremendous money. We are in year ahead of schedule. That is what this

:43:11.:43:16.

country should be doing. We build roads and a customary or four times

:43:17.:43:20.

what they are supposed to cost. We buy products for the military and

:43:21.:43:24.

they come in at costs so far above what they are supposed to be because

:43:25.:43:28.

we don't have people who know what they are doing. When we look at the

:43:29.:43:32.

budget, it is bad as we have people who have no idea as to what to do

:43:33.:43:37.

and how to buy. Trump International is way under budget and way ahead of

:43:38.:43:43.

schedule. We should be able to do that for our country. We are well

:43:44.:43:48.

behind schedule, so we will move to the next segment, talking about

:43:49.:43:52.

America's direction. Let's start by talking about race. The share of

:43:53.:43:56.

Americans who say reservations are bad in this country is the highest

:43:57.:44:01.

in decades. Much of it amplified as shootings of African Americans by

:44:02.:44:05.

police as we have seen recently in Charlotte and toss. Race has been a

:44:06.:44:09.

big issue and one of you will have to bridge a very wide and bitter gap

:44:10.:44:14.

-- Tulsa. How do you heal the divide? You are right. Race remains

:44:15.:44:21.

a significant challenge in our country. Unfortunately, race still

:44:22.:44:27.

determined to much, it often determines where people live, what

:44:28.:44:32.

kind of education in their public schools they can get, and yes, it

:44:33.:44:37.

determines how they are treated in the criminal justice system. We have

:44:38.:44:41.

seen those two tragic examples in Tulsa and Charlotte. We have to do

:44:42.:44:48.

several things at the same time. We have to restore trust between

:44:49.:44:58.

communities and the police. We have to work to make sure our police are

:44:59.:45:02.

using the best training, the best techniques, that they are well

:45:03.:45:07.

prepared to use force only when necessary. Everyone should be

:45:08.:45:14.

respected by the law, and everyone should respect the law. Right now,

:45:15.:45:20.

that is not the case in a lot of our neighbourhoods. So I have, ever

:45:21.:45:24.

since the first day of my campaign, called for criminal Justice reform.

:45:25.:45:28.

I have laid out a platform that I think would begin to remedy some of

:45:29.:45:33.

the problems we have in the criminal justice system. But we also have to

:45:34.:45:38.

recognise in addition to the challenges that we face with

:45:39.:45:43.

policing, there are so many good and brave police officers who equally

:45:44.:45:47.

one reform. So we have to bring communities together in order to

:45:48.:45:51.

begin working on that as a mutual goal. And we have to get guns out of

:45:52.:45:56.

the hands of people who should not have them. The gun epidemic is the

:45:57.:46:01.

leading cause of death of young African American men, more than the

:46:02.:46:06.

next nine courses put together. We have to do two things, we have to

:46:07.:46:11.

restore trust, work with the police, we have to make sure they respect

:46:12.:46:15.

the committees and communities respect them, and we have to tackle

:46:16.:46:20.

the plague of gun violence which is a big contributor to a lot of the

:46:21.:46:22.

problems we are seeing today. . Mr Trump, you have to make

:46:23.:46:29.

minutes. How do you heal the divide? Secretary Clinton does not want to

:46:30.:46:34.

use a couple of words- law and order. We need law and order. If we

:46:35.:46:39.

do not have it, we do not have a country. And when I look at what is

:46:40.:46:43.

going on in Charlotte, a city I love, a city where I have

:46:44.:46:47.

investments, when I look at what is going on for our various parts of

:46:48.:46:51.

our country, I could keep naming the more they long. We need law and

:46:52.:46:56.

order in our country. I just got today, as you know, the endorsement

:46:57.:47:00.

of the fraternal order of police who just came in. We have endorsements

:47:01.:47:05.

from, I think, almost every police group. A large percentage of them in

:47:06.:47:11.

the United States. We have a situation where we have our inner

:47:12.:47:17.

cities, African-Americans and Hispanics are living in hell because

:47:18.:47:23.

it is so dangerous. You walk down the street you get shot. In Chicago

:47:24.:47:28.

have had thousands of shootings. Thousands. Since January one.

:47:29.:47:35.

Thousands of shootings. Where is this? Is this a war-torn country?

:47:36.:47:42.

What are we doing? We have to stop the violence, we have to bring back

:47:43.:47:46.

Laura and order. In a place like Chicago where thousands of people

:47:47.:47:49.

have been killed over the last number of years. Almost 4000 have

:47:50.:47:53.

been killed since Barack Obama became president. Almost 4000 people

:47:54.:47:59.

in Chicago have been killed. We have to bring back law and order. Now

:48:00.:48:04.

whether or not in a place like Chicago you do stop and Frisk which

:48:05.:48:09.

worked very well in New York. We brought the crime rate way down. You

:48:10.:48:13.

take the gun away from criminals and should not be having it. We have

:48:14.:48:19.

gangs roaming the street and in many cases they are illegally here,

:48:20.:48:22.

illegal immigrants, and they have guns and they shoot people. We have

:48:23.:48:27.

to be very strong and we have to be very vigilant. We have to know what

:48:28.:48:33.

we are doing. Right now our police, in many cases, are afraid to do

:48:34.:48:38.

anything. We have to protect our inner cities because

:48:39.:48:41.

African-American communities are being decimated by crime. Your two

:48:42.:48:45.

minutes expired but I do want to follow-up. Stop and Frisk was ruled

:48:46.:48:50.

unconstitutional in New York because it singled out black and Hispanic

:48:51.:48:55.

young men. You are wrong. It went before a judge who was a very

:48:56.:49:01.

against police judge. It was taken away from her and our men are, our

:49:02.:49:08.

new mayor refused to go forward with the case. They won it on appeal. The

:49:09.:49:13.

argument is that it is a form of racial profiling. The argument is

:49:14.:49:19.

that we need to take guns away from them, from people who should not

:49:20.:49:25.

have them. These are felons, these are bad people... When you have 3000

:49:26.:49:31.

shootings in Chicago from January one, when you have 4000 people

:49:32.:49:36.

killed in Chicago by guns from the beginning of the presidency of

:49:37.:49:41.

Barack Obama, his hometown, you have to have stop and Frisk. You need

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more police. You need better community relations. You do not have

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good community relations in Chicago. It is terrible. I have property

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there. It is terrible what is going on there. You go to Ferguson, you go

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to so many different places... You need a better relationships. I agree

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with Secretary Clinton on this. You need better relations between the

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communities and police because in some cases it is not good. Look at

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Dallas where the relationship was studied. The relationship was a

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beautiful thing and then five police officers were killed. Very violently

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one night. So there are bad things going on. Some really bad things.

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Secretary Clinton... Lester. We need law and order. And we need law and

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order in the inner cities because the people that are most affected by

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what is happening are African-American and Hispanic people

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and it is very unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to

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happen. HOLT: Secretary Clinton. I heard Donald say this at his rallies

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and it is really unfortunate that he paints such a dire negative picture

:50:55.:51:00.

of black communities in our country. The vibrancy of the black church,

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the black businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that

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so many families are working to provide for their kids. There is a

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lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting and lifting

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up. But we do always have to make sure we keep people safe. There are

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right ways of doing it and then there are ways that are ineffective.

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Stop and Frisk was found to be unconstitutional. In part, because

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it was ineffective. It did not do what it needed to do. I believe in

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community policing and, in fact, violent crime is one half of what it

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was in 1991. Property crime is down 40%. We just want to see it creep

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back up. We have had 25 years of very good cooperation but there were

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some problems. There were unintended consequences. Too many young African

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American and Latina men ended up in jail for non-violent offences and it

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is just a fact that if you are a young African-American man and you

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do the same thing as a young white man, you are more likely to be

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arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated. So we have to address

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the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. We cannot just say

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at Laura and order, we have to say, we have to come forward with a plan

:52:33.:52:38.

that is going to divert people from the criminal justice system, deal

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with mandatory minimum sentences which have put too many people away

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for too long. We need to have more second chance programmes. I am glad

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that we are renting private set isn't in the federal system. I want

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to see them ended in the state system. There should not be a profit

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motivation to fill prison cells. There are positive ways we can work

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on this. And I believe strongly that common sense gun safety measures

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would assist us. Right now. And this is something that Donald has

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supported along with the gun lobby, right now we have got too many

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military style weapons on the street. In a lot of places our

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police are outgunned. We need comprehensive background checks and

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we need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm and

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we finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who was on the

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terrorist watch list being able to buy a gun in our country. If you are

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too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to purchase a gun. There

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are things we ought to do... Last week you said that we need to do

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everything possible to improve the implicit bias in the police. Do you

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believe they are implicitly biased against black people? I think it is

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a problem for everybody, not just the police. Too many of us in our

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great country jump to conclusions about each other. Therefore I think

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we need, all of us, to be asking hard questions about... Why am I

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feeling this way? When it comes to policing it can have literally fatal

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consequences. I have said in my first budget we would put money into

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that budget to help us deal with implicit bias we retraining a lot of

:54:36.:54:40.

our police officers. I met with a group of very distinguished

:54:41.:54:43.

experienced police chiefs a few weeks ago. They admit it is an

:54:44.:54:47.

issue. They have many concerns. Mental health is a big concern

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echoes now police need to handle a lot of difficult mental health

:54:52.:54:55.

problems on the street. They want support. They want more training.

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They want more assistance. I think the Federal government could be in a

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position where we would offer and provide that. Would you like to

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respond? First of all, I agree and a lot of people even within my own

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party want to give certain rights to people on the watch lists and no-fly

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list. I agree with you. When somebody is on a watch list and the

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no-fly list. I have the endorsement of the NRA and is a very good people

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and I am very proud of that. They are supporting the second Amendment.

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When people are on the watchlist, even if they should not be on there,

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we will help them legally to get off it, but I tend to agree with that.

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Very strongly. I do want to bring up the fact that you were the one who

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brought up the word super predator about young black sea. That is a

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term that I think has been horribly met, as you know. You have

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apologised for it. But I think it was a terrible thing to say. And

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when it comes to stop and Frisk, you are talking about taking guns away,

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I am talking about taking guns away from gangs. Disagree with me if you

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want to know the truth, I think there is a political reason, you

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can't say, but I really do not believe. In New York City, stop and

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Frisk, we had 2200 murders and stop and Frisk brought back down to 500

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murders. That is a lot of murders. 500. Is that supposed to be good?

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But we went from 2200 down to 500 and it was continued by Mayor

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Bloomberg and terminated by the current mayor. It had a tremendous

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impact on the safety of New York City. Tremendous beyond belief. So

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when you say it has no WinPad, it really did. It had a very big

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impact. It is also fair to say that if we are going to talk about method

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under the current mayor, crime has continued to drop including murders.

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Now, murder is up. New York has done an excellent job. I give credit

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across the board going back to make mayors, two police chiefs because it

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has worked and other communities that need to come together to do

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what will work as well. One murder is too many. But it is important

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that we learn about what has been effective and not go to things that

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sound good that really did not have the kind of impact that we would

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want. Who disagrees with keeping neighbourhoods safe? Let's also add,

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no-one should disagree about respecting the rights of young men

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who live in those neighbourhoods. And, so, we need to do a better job

:57:43.:57:48.

about working again with the communities, Faith communities,

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business communities as well as the police to try to deal with this

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problem. This conversation is about race. Mr drum, I must ask... I would

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like to respond. The African-American community has been

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let down by our politicians. They talk good around election time like

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right now and then after the election they say to you later. I

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will see when four years. The African-American community... The

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community, the community in the inner cities has been so badly

:58:20.:58:24.

treated they have been abused and used in order to get votes by

:58:25.:58:28.

Democrat politicians because that is what it is. They have controlled

:58:29.:58:32.

these communities for up to 100 years. Mr Trump... I tell you. Look

:58:33.:58:40.

at the inner cities. I just left Detroit and Philadelphia. I have

:58:41.:58:43.

been all over the place. You decide to stay home and that is OK. I will

:58:44.:58:49.

tell you, I have been all over and I have met some of the greatest people

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live will ever meet within these communities. They are very, very

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upset with what the politicians have told them and what their politicians

:58:57.:59:02.

have done. I think Donald just criticise me for preparing for this

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debate. And, yes, I did. And you know what also prepare for? I

:59:10.:59:12.

prepare to be president. I think that is a good thing. Mr Trump, you

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have perpetuated for a number of years and questioned the legitimacy

:59:29.:59:32.

of the presidency of the nation 's first African-American president.

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Recently you have changed this. What has changed your mind? Sidney

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Blumenthal works for the campaign, a very close friend of Secretary

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Clinton. Her campaign manager, Paddy Doyle, went to, during the campaign,

:59:50.:59:54.

her campaign against President Obama, fought very hard and you can

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go look it up and you can check it out and if you look at CNN this past

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week, Paddy was an Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened. Bloom in

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Blumenthal send a reporter to Kenya to find out about it. She failed to

:00:17.:00:20.

get the birth certificate. When I got involved I did not fail. I got

:00:21.:00:25.

him to give the birth certificate. So I am satisfied with it. And I

:00:26.:00:29.

will tell you why aren't satisfied with it. Because I want to get on

:00:30.:00:33.

with defeating Isis. I want to get onto creating jobs. I want to get

:00:34.:00:37.

onto having a strong border. Because I want to get onto things that are

:00:38.:00:41.

very important to me and are very important the country.

:00:42.:00:46.

I will let you respond, but I want to get an answer. He questioned the

:00:47.:00:56.

president's Bridges is me -- legitimacy over several years. What

:00:57.:01:01.

changed your mind? Nobody was caring about it. I figured he would ask the

:01:02.:01:06.

question, but nobody was caring much about it. I got him to produce the

:01:07.:01:11.

birth certificate, and I think I did a good job. Secretary Clinton also

:01:12.:01:17.

faulted. Now everybody is going to say that is not true -- fought it.

:01:18.:01:24.

Sidney Blumenthal said you just have to take a look at CNN, the last

:01:25.:01:28.

week, the interview with your former campaign manager, and she was

:01:29.:01:32.

involved. But just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce.

:01:33.:01:36.

I will let you respond to that. There is a lot there. But we are

:01:37.:01:44.

talking about racial healing. What you say to Americans? I say nothing

:01:45.:01:49.

because they should have produced it earlier. When you talk about killing

:01:50.:01:57.

it -- healing, I have developed good relationships over the last little

:01:58.:01:59.

while with the African-American committee. I think you can see that.

:02:00.:02:06.

-- committee. I feel they really wanted me to come to that

:02:07.:02:09.

conclusion, and I think I did a great job and a great service not

:02:10.:02:13.

only for the country but also that the president in getting him to

:02:14.:02:18.

produce his. Secretary Clinton. Just listen to what you heard.

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LAUGHTER Clearly, as Donald just admitted, he

:02:23.:02:27.

knew he would stand on this debate stage and Leicester hope would ask

:02:28.:02:31.

us questions, so he tried to put the whole racist birth lie to bed --

:02:32.:02:38.

Lester Holt. But it can't be dismissed that easily. He has really

:02:39.:02:44.

started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first

:02:45.:02:50.

black president was not an American citizen. There was absolutely no

:02:51.:02:56.

evidence for it, but he persisted, year after year, because some of his

:02:57.:03:03.

supporters, people he was trying to bring into his fault apparently

:03:04.:03:08.

believed it wanted to believe it. But remember, Donald started his

:03:09.:03:16.

career back in 1973 being sued at the Justice Department for racial

:03:17.:03:20.

discrimination. Because he would not rent apartment in one of these

:03:21.:03:24.

departments to African Americans, and he made sure the people who work

:03:25.:03:30.

the him understood that was the policy. He was sick twice by the

:03:31.:03:37.

Justice Department. -- sued twice. He has a long record of engaging in

:03:38.:03:43.

racist behaviour. And the birth lie was a very hurtful one. Barack Obama

:03:44.:03:51.

is a man of great dignity, and I could tell how much it bothered him

:03:52.:03:56.

and annoyed him that this was being touted and used against him, but I

:03:57.:04:04.

like to remember what Michelle Obama said in her amazing speech at out

:04:05.:04:09.

Democratic National Convention, when they go though, we go higher. And

:04:10.:04:14.

Barack Obama went high despite Donald Trump's best efforts to bring

:04:15.:04:20.

him down -- go low. You can respond. I would like to respond. I got to

:04:21.:04:26.

watch some of your debate against President Obama. You treated him

:04:27.:04:29.

with terrible disrespect. I watched the way you talk about how

:04:30.:04:34.

everything is lovely, but it doesn't work that way. You were after him,

:04:35.:04:40.

you even Santa pictures, or your campaign sent out pictures of him in

:04:41.:04:47.

a certain garb, but just last week, you'll campaign manager said it was

:04:48.:04:51.

true -- sent out pictures. When you try to act holier than thou, it

:04:52.:04:55.

doesn't work. As far as the lawsuit, when I was very young, I went into

:04:56.:05:02.

the real estate company in Brooklyn, Queens, and along with many

:05:03.:05:05.

companies, a federal lawsuit, we were sued. We settled the suit with

:05:06.:05:11.

no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do. But they sued many

:05:12.:05:16.

people. I notice you bring that up a lot. And the nasty commercials you

:05:17.:05:22.

do, which I don't do. Maybe I am trying to save money. But frankly, I

:05:23.:05:27.

look at that and I say, isn't that amazing? I settled that lawsuit with

:05:28.:05:34.

no admission of guilt. But that was able suit brought against many real

:05:35.:05:38.

estate firms, and it is just one of those many things -- lawsuit. In a

:05:39.:05:45.

tough community, a brilliant and wealthy timidity, probably the

:05:46.:05:50.

wealthiest in the world, I opened a club, and rarely get great credit

:05:51.:05:57.

for it. No discrimination against African Americans, against Muslims,

:05:58.:06:03.

against anybody. It is a tremendously successful club, and I

:06:04.:06:07.

am so glad I did it. I have been given great credit for what I did,

:06:08.:06:15.

and I am very proud of it. That is the way I feel. That is the true way

:06:16.:06:20.

I feel. Our next segment is called securing America. We want to start

:06:21.:06:24.

with a 21st-century war happening every how institutions under cyber

:06:25.:06:28.

attack on our secret rings stolen. Who is behind it and how do we fight

:06:29.:06:37.

it? -- secrets being stolen. I think cyber security and cyber warfare

:06:38.:06:40.

will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next

:06:41.:06:44.

president. Clearly, we are facing, at this point, two different kinds

:06:45.:06:48.

of either serious. The independent hacking groups who do at Moseley for

:06:49.:06:55.

commercial reasons, to steal information they can use to make

:06:56.:07:01.

money -- at the serious. But we are seeing cyber attacks coming from

:07:02.:07:06.

state, organs of state. The most recent and troubling of these has

:07:07.:07:10.

been rational. There is no doubt now that Russia has used cyber attacks

:07:11.:07:15.

against all kinds of organisations in our country, and I am deeply

:07:16.:07:22.

concerned about this. I know Donald is very praiseworthy of Vladimir

:07:23.:07:28.

Putin, but he is playing a tough long game here. One of the things he

:07:29.:07:33.

has done is let loose cyber attackers to hack into government

:07:34.:07:40.

files, to hack into personal files, into the Democratic National

:07:41.:07:43.

committee, and we have recently learned that this is one of their

:07:44.:07:51.

preferred methods of trying to rig cabinet and collect information. We

:07:52.:07:57.

need to make it very clear whether it is China, Russia, Iran or anybody

:07:58.:08:01.

else, the United States has much greater capacity -- wreak havoc. We

:08:02.:08:08.

will not sit by and allow state actors to go after our information,

:08:09.:08:13.

our private sector or public sector information. And we are going to

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have to make it clear that we don't want to use the kinds of tools that

:08:18.:08:23.

we have. We don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare. But we

:08:24.:08:28.

will defend the citizens of this country, and the Russians need to

:08:29.:08:31.

understand that. I think they have been treating it almost as a

:08:32.:08:36.

probing. How far can we go? How much will we do? That is why I was so

:08:37.:08:40.

shocked when Donald publicly invited Vladimir Putin to hack into

:08:41.:08:45.

Americans. That is just unacceptable. That is why 50

:08:46.:08:52.

national security officials who served in Republican administrations

:08:53.:08:56.

have said Donald is unfit to be commander in chief. It is comments

:08:57.:09:02.

like that really worry people who understand the threats we face. Two

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minutes on the same question. I was just endorsed by over 200 and roles

:09:09.:09:18.

and generals -- admirals, to lead this country. That just happened.

:09:19.:09:24.

Many more are coming. I am very proud of it. I was just endorsed by

:09:25.:09:34.

ICE. I was just recently endorsed by 16,500 border patrol agents. When

:09:35.:09:39.

Secretary Clinton talks about this, I will take the admirals and the

:09:40.:09:44.

generals any day over the political hacks I see that of lead our country

:09:45.:09:48.

so greatly over the last ten years with their knowledge. Look at the

:09:49.:09:53.

mess we are in. Look at the mess we are in. As far as cyber, I agreed to

:09:54.:09:58.

part of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody

:09:59.:10:02.

else and perhaps we are not. I don't think anybody knows it was Russia

:10:03.:10:07.

who broke into the DNC, and maybe it was. But it could also be China and

:10:08.:10:12.

lots of other people. It could be somebody setting over there. You

:10:13.:10:18.

don't know who broke in to the DNC. What did we learn? We learned that

:10:19.:10:25.

Bernie Sanders was taking advantage -- taking advantage of by your

:10:26.:10:30.

people. By Debbie Wiseman Schultz. But Bernie Sanders was taken

:10:31.:10:35.

advantage of. Whether that was Russia or China or another country,

:10:36.:10:41.

we don't know. The truth is, under President Obama, we have lost

:10:42.:10:46.

control of things we used to have control of. We came in with the

:10:47.:10:51.

Internet, we came up with the Internet, and I think Secretary

:10:52.:10:54.

Clinton and myself would agree new look at what ISIS is doing with the

:10:55.:10:58.

Internet, they are beating us at our own game. I suspect not we have to

:10:59.:11:06.

get very tough on cyber warfare -- ISIS! . My son is ten years old and

:11:07.:11:12.

is so good with computers is unbelievable. The security aspect of

:11:13.:11:18.

cyber is very tough. And maybe, it is hardly doable, but I will say, we

:11:19.:11:23.

are not doing the job we should be doing. That is true throughout our

:11:24.:11:28.

whole governmental society. We have so many things we have to do better,

:11:29.:11:36.

and cyber is one of them. There are a number of issues we should be

:11:37.:11:40.

addressing. I have put forward a plan to defeat ISIS. It does involve

:11:41.:11:45.

going after them online. I think we need to do much more with our tech

:11:46.:11:52.

companies to prevent ISIS and their operatives from being able to use

:11:53.:11:58.

the Internet and radicalise, even direct people in our country and

:11:59.:12:02.

Europe and elsewhere. But we also have to intensify our air strikes

:12:03.:12:11.

against ISIS. And eventually, support our Arab and Kurdish

:12:12.:12:14.

partners to be able to actually take out ISIS in Raqqa and their claim of

:12:15.:12:19.

being a caliphate. We are making progress. Our military is assisting

:12:20.:12:25.

in Iraq. We are hoping that within the year, we will be able to push

:12:26.:12:31.

ISIS out of Iraq, and then really squeeze them in Syria. But we have

:12:32.:12:35.

to be cognisant of the fact that they have hired foreign fighters

:12:36.:12:40.

coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons. We

:12:41.:12:46.

have to make this the top priority, and I would also do everything

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possible to take out their leadership. I was involved in a

:12:51.:12:53.

number of efforts to take out al-Qaeda leadership and I was

:12:54.:12:57.

Secretary of State, including taking out a summer Bin Laden. We need to

:12:58.:13:02.

go after a daddy as well. Make that one of our organising principles --

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Baghdadi. We have to do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda

:13:10.:13:15.

efforts online. We think of ices over there, but American citizens

:13:16.:13:20.

have been inspired to commit acts of terror on American cell, the latest

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incident in bombings in New York and New Jersey, a knife attack in a mall

:13:26.:13:30.

in Minnesota, and deadly attacks in Orlando in San Bernardino. I will

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ask you both. Tell us specifically how you will prevent homegrown

:13:36.:13:39.

attacks American citizens? I have to say one thing first. Secretary

:13:40.:13:43.

Clinton is talking about taking out ISIS. We will take out ISIS.

:13:44.:13:49.

President Obama and Secretary Clinton created a vacuum the weight

:13:50.:13:54.

they got out of Iraq. They got out when they should not have been in,

:13:55.:13:58.

but once they got in, where they out was a disaster. And ISIS was fun.

:13:59.:14:05.

She has been trying to take them out for a long time. -- was formed. But

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they would not have even been formed if they left 10,000 or maybe more

:14:12.:14:15.

troops behind. Then you would not have had that. As I have been saying

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for a long time, and I said it you once, had we taken the oil, and we

:14:22.:14:25.

should have taken the oil, ISIS would not have been able to form

:14:26.:14:29.

either occurs the oil was their primary source of income. Now they

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have oil all over the place, including a lot of oil in Libya,

:14:34.:14:38.

which is another one of her disasters. I hope the fact checkers

:14:39.:14:46.

are turning up the volume and working hard. Donald supported the

:14:47.:14:52.

invasion of Iraq. Wrong. That has been proved over and over again. He

:14:53.:14:56.

advocated for the actions taken in Libya and urged that Getafe be taken

:14:57.:15:02.

out after doing business with him one time -- Getafe. He says this

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constantly, that George W Bush maybe agreement about when American troops

:15:12.:15:14.

would leave Iraq -- Gaddhafi. Not Barack Obama. The only way American

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troops could have stayed in Iraq is to get an agreement from the then

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Iraqi government that would have protected our troops, and the Iraqi

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government would not give that. The question you asked, Lester, is

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what we do here in the United States. That is the most important

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part. How do we protect our people? How do we event attacks? We need an

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intelligent search where we look for every scrap of information. I was so

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proud of law enforcement in New York in Minnesota in New Jersey. They

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responded so quickly and professionally to the attacks that

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occurred. They brought the culprit down. We may find out more

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information because he is still alive which may be proved to be a

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benefit to intelligence. We need to do everything we can to vacuum up

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intelligence from Europe and the Middle East. We need to work more

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closely with our allies. That is something that Donald has been very

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dismissive of. We're working with Nato, the longest military alliance

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in history of the world, to really turn our attention to terrorism. We

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are working with our friends in the Middle East, many of which, as you

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know, a Muslim majority nations. Donald has consistently insulted

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Muslims are broad, Muslims at home. When we need to be cool operating

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with Muslim nations and with the American Muslim community. They are

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on the front lines. They can provide information to us that we may not

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get anywhere else. They need to have close work in cooperation with law

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enforcement in these communities, not be alienate them pushed away as

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some of Donald's retreat, unfortunately, has led to. May I

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respond? The secretary said very strongly about working with... We

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have been working with them for many years. We have the greatest mess

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anyone has ever seen. Look at the Middle East, it is a total mess.

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Under your direction, to a large extent, look at the Middle East. The

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Orion deal, that is another beauty where a country that was ready to

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fall, they were trekking on the sanctions and now they are going to

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be actually a major power at some point pretty soon, the way they are

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going. When you look at Nato, I was asked on a major show what I thought

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of Nato. For I have common sense. I will will tell you. I have not given

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a lot of thought to Nato. Early on, many of the nations involved are not

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paying their fair share. They should at least be paying us, that bothers

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me because we are defending them. Number two, I said in very strongly,

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Nato could be obsolete because... And I was very strong about this and

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was covered accurately in the New York Times which is unusual for the

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New York Times, to be honest, I said they do not focus on Terror. I was

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very strong. I said that numerous times and about what a month ago I

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read on the front page of the Wall Street Journal that Nato was opening

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up a major terror division and I think that is brilliant. I think we

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should get, because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of

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Nato, a lot of money to protect other people, I am all for Nato but

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I said they have to focus on terror as well. They are going to do that.

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I am not going to get credit for it but that was largely because of what

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I was saving and my criticism of Nato. I think we have to get Nato to

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go into the Middle East with us in addition to surrounding nations and

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we have to knock the hell out of Isis and we have to do it fast. When

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Isis formed in this vacuum created by Barack Obama and Secretary

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Clinton and, believe me, you were the ones who took out the troops.

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Not only that, you name the day. They could not believe it. Lester...

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Wait a minute. When they formed, this is something that never should

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have happened. You are talking about taking out Isis but you were there

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and you were Secretary of State when it was a little infant. Now it is in

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over 30 countries. And you are going to stop them? I don't think so. A

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lot of these are judgement questions. You supported the war in

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Iraq before the invasion. I did not support the war in Iraq. That is a

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mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she, frankly, had the

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best person in her campaign was mainstream media. Why is your... Why

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is your judgement... I was against the war in Iraq. Why is your

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judgement any... When I did an interview with how wouldst Owen, the

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first time anybody asked me that, I said I don't know, maybe, who knows.

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-- an interview with how would stone. I then spoke to Sean Hannah T

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which everybody refuses to call him. I had numerous conversations with

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him. He called me the other day. I spoke to him about it. He said you

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were totally against the wall. Excuse me. That was before the war

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started. Sean Hannity said very strongly to me and other people. He

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is willing to say this but nobody will quote him. I am against the

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war. He was in favour of the war. We used to have fights. I understand

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that is... We should not have been there. Nobody calls Hannity. And

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then they did alien article in a major magazine shortly after the war

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started, I think in 2004, which had me totally against the war in Iraq.

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One of your compatriots said whether was before or after, Trump was

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deafening. When you read this article there is no doubt. And I

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will ask the press, call up Hannity. Before the war started he and I used

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to argue about it. I said it was terrible and stupid and would

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destabilise the Middle East and that is exactly what it has done. I am

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referencing what you said in 2002. Why is your judgement any different

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to that of Mrs Clinton? I have much better judgement than she. I also

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have a better temperament than she. She spent, let me tell you, she

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spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising... You

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know, they get Madison Avenue into a room. I think my strongest asset may

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be by far is my temper meant. I have a winning temperament. I know how to

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win. She does not know how to win. HOLT: Secretary Clinton? The other

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day, behind third blue screen, I do not know who you were talking to but

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you were totally out of control. I said there is somebody with a

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temperament that has a problem. Ooh OK. Let's talk about two important

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issues that were briefly mentioned by Donald. First, Nato. Nato as a

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military alliance has something called article five and it basically

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says this call in an attack on wine is an attack on all. And the only

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time it has ever been invoked after 9/11 when the 28 nations of Nato

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said that they would go to Afghanistan with us to fight

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terrorism. Something that they still are doing by our side. With respect

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to run, when I became Secretary of State, Iran was weeks away from

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having enough nuclear material to form a bomb. They had mastered the

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nuclear. -- nuclear fuel cycle, they had stopped resources. We sanctioned

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for them I voted for every sanction against them but it was not enough.

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I spent 1.5 years putting together a coalition that included Russia and

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China to impose the toughest sanctions on Iraq. And we drove them

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to the negotiating table. My successor, John Kerry and president

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Obama got a deal that put a lid on it run's nuclear programme. Without

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firing a single shot. That is diplomacy. That is coalition

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building. That is working with other nations. The other day I saw Donald

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saying that there were some Iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off

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of Iran and they were taunting American sailors who were on a

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nearby ship. He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors I would

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blow them out of the water. And start another war. That is... That

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would not start a war. That is not the right temperament to be

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commander-in-chief. They were taunting us. The worst I have heard

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Donald says about nuclear weapons. They have said repeatedly that he

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did not care of other weapons got nuclear weapons. Japan, South Korea,

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even Sony Africa. It has -- even Saudia Arabia. In fact he is

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cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling, that

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is the number-1 we face in the world. And it becomes particularly

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threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material.

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A man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere

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near the nuclear codes as far as I think anyone with any sense about

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this should be concerned. That is getting a little bit old, as far as

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I am concerned. It is not accurate at all. I just want to give a lot of

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things just to respond. I agree with her on one thing. The single

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greatest problem the world has is nuclear armament and nuclear

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weapons. Not global warming, like you think in Europe. And your

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president of things. Nuclear is the single greatest threat. Just to go

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down the list, we defend Japan, we defend Germany, South Korea, Saudi

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Arabia, we defend countries. They do not pay us, but they should be

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paying us because we are providing tremendous service and that is why

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we are losing everything. Who makes these? We lose on everything. I said

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that it is very possible that if they don't pay a fair share because

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this is not 40 years ago where we could do what we do. We can not

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defend the Japan, but he must selling of cars... We need to move

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on. This is important. They need to help us out. They have to help us

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out. As for is nuclear is concerned I agree that is the single greatest

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threat that this country has. Which leads to my next question as we

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enter our last segment. An nuclear weapons, Obama consider changing the

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nation's long-standing policy on first use. Do you support the

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current policy, Mr Trump? You have to make minutes. As Secretary

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Clinton was saying about nuclear with Russia, she was quite cavalier

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about how she speaks about various countries. Russia has been

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expanding. They have a much newer capability than we do. We have not

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been updating from the new standpoint. I look the other night,

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I was seeing B-52s old enough that your father or your grandfather

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could be flying them. We are not keeping up with other countries. I

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would like everybody to end it, just get rid of it but I would certainly

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not to first-rate. I think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it

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is over. At the same time, we must be prepared. I can't take anything

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of the table because you look at some of these countries, look at

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North Korea. We are doing nothing there. China should solve that

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problem for us. China should go into North Korea. China is totally

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powerful as it relates to North Korea. And, by the way, another one

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powerful is the worst deal I ever saw negotiator, you studied is the

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Orion deal. Mac three is power to North Korea and when they made that

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horrible deal with Iran they should have included the fact that they do

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something with respect to North Korea. And they should have done

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something with respect to Yemen and all of these other places. And when

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asked Secretary Kerry why did you not do that? Why did you not at

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other things into the deal, one of the great giveaways of all time, of

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all time, including $400 million in cash. Nobody has ever seen before.

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It turned out to be wrong. It was actually $1.7 billion in cash.

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Obviously, I guess, for the hostages. It certainly looks that

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way. So you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal?

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This is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. The

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deal with Iran will lead to nuclear problems. All they have to do is set

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back ten years and they do not need to do much. I met with Netanyahu the

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other day. He is not a happy camper. Secretary Clinton, you have to make

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minutes. Let me start by saying that words matter. They really matter

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when you are president. And I want to reassure our allies in Japan and

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South Korea and elsewhere that we have mutual defence treaties and we

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will honour them. It is essential that America's word be good. And so

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I know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on

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the part of many leaders across the globe. I have spoken with a number

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of them. But I want to come on behalf of myself and I think on

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behalf of a majority of the American people, say that our word is good.

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It is also important that we look at the entire global situation. There

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is no doubt that we have other problems with Iran but personally I

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would deal with the other problems having put that lid on their

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programme, their nuclear programme. Donald never tells you what he would

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do. Would he have started a war? Would he have bombed Iran. If he

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will criticise a deal that has been very successful in giving us access

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to a rainy and facilities that we never had before, then he should

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tell us what his alternative would be. It is like his plan to defeat

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Isis, he says it is a secret plan but the only secret is that he has

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no plan. We need to be more precise in how we speak about these issues.

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People around the world follow a presidential campaigns so closely,

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trying to get hints about what we will do. Can they rely on us? Will

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we lead the world with strength and with accordance to our values. That

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is what I intend to do. I intend to be a leader of our country that

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people can count on, both here at home and around the world. To make

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decisions that will further peace and prosperity but also stand up to

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bullies whether they are abroad or at home. We cannot let those who

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would try to destabilise the world to interfere with American interests

:31:56.:31:59.

and security. They cannot have any opportunities at all.

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Hillary will tell you to go to the website and tell you all about how

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to defeat ISIS which she could have defeated by never having gone in in

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the first place. It is getting Mordt half to defeat them because they are

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in more and more nations and it's a big problem. I want to help all of

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our allies but we are losing billions and billions of dollars. We

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cannot be the policemen of the world. We cannot protect countries

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all over the world without them paying us what we need and she

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doesn't say that because she has no business ability. We need heart, we

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need a lot of things but you need some basic ability and sadly, she

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doesn't have that. All of the things that she's talking about, could have

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been taken care of in the last ten years while she had great power but

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they weren't taken care of and if she ever wins this race, they won't

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be taken care of. Secretary Clinton became the first woman nominated for

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President and earlier this month, you said she doesn't have a

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presidential look. What did you mean by that? She doesn't have the look,

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she doesn't have the stamina. I said she doesn't have the stamina. And I

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don't believe she does have the stamina. To be president of this

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country, you need tremendous stamina. You asked me a question.

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Did you ask me a question? You have to be able to negotiate our trade

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deals. You have to be able to negotiate. That's right, with Japan,

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with Saudi Arabia. Can you imagine us descending Saudi Arabia and with

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all of the money that they have, we are defending them and they don't

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pay us? They have so many different things you have to be able to do and

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I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. Lets let her response.

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Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiate a peace

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deal, a ceasefire and release of dissidents and opening of new

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opportunities and nations around the world or even spends 11 hours

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testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk

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to me about stamina. APPLAUSE. And tell you, Hillary has experience but

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it is bad experience. She has experience but I agree, it bad, bad

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experience. Whether it is the macro will

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Iran deal. I agree, she has experience but it is bad. This

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country cannot afford to have another four years of that

:34:59.:35:09.

experience. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING. He tried to shift from looks the

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stamina but this is from a man who has called women pigs, dogs, sluts.

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Someone who said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. One of

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the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves

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hanging around those anti- called this woman Miss Piggy, then he

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called her miss housekeeping because she was Latinos. She has become a US

:35:49.:35:58.

citizen and you can bet she's going to vote this November. OK, good. Let

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me tell you. Ten seconds. Hillary is hitting me with tremendous

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commercials. Some of it is from Rosie O'Donnell. I said very tough

:36:15.:36:19.

things to her and people will agree that she deserves it. But you know

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what, I was going to say something extremely rough to Hillary, to her

:36:25.:36:30.

family, and I said to myself, I can't do it. I just can't do it.

:36:31.:36:36.

It's inappropriate, it's not nice. But she spent hundreds of million

:36:37.:36:41.

dollars of negative ads on me, many of which are untrue and

:36:42.:36:46.

misrepresentations and I will tell you this, it's not nice and I don't

:36:47.:36:52.

deserve that but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. It

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hundreds of millions of ads as the only gratifying thing is, I saw the

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polls come in today and with all of that money... I am either winning or

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tired. One of you will not win this election so my final question to

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you, are you willing to set the outcome as the will of the voters

:37:15.:37:19.

are Secretary Clinton? I support democracy. Sometimes you win,

:37:20.:37:25.

sometimes lose. But I certainly will support the outcome of this election

:37:26.:37:30.

and I know Donald Trump's trying to plan doubts about it but I hope the

:37:31.:37:35.

people out there understand that this election is really up to you.

:37:36.:37:39.

It's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the

:37:40.:37:43.

kind of country and future that you want so I sure hope that you will

:37:44.:37:47.

get out and vote as though your future depended on it because I

:37:48.:37:51.

think it does. Mr Trump, will you accept the outcome? I want to make

:37:52.:37:57.

America great again. We are a nation that is seriously troubled. We are

:37:58.:38:01.

losing jobs, people are pouring into our country. The other day, we were

:38:02.:38:05.

deporting 800 people and perhaps they passed the wrong button, they

:38:06.:38:09.

pressed the wrong button, or perhaps, worse than that, it was

:38:10.:38:13.

corruption that these people that we were going to deport for good

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reason, ended up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens. It was

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800 and now it turns out it might be 1800 and they don't even know. I

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want to make America great again. I'm going to be able to do it, I

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don't believe Hillary will. The answer is, if she wins, I will

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absolutely support it. That concludes our debate for this

:38:37.:38:40.

evening. We covered a lot of ground. Not everything, I suspected we

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wouldn't. The next debate is scheduled for October nine in St

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Louis. October 19 at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas. The

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conversation will continue. A reminder that the vice presidential

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debate is scheduled for October four. Thank you to the university

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for hosting us tonight. Good night, everyone. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING.

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That was the first US presidential debate, 90 minutes long, Ed and did

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a bit over time. It ended with Donald Trump saying that he would

:39:22.:39:28.

support Hillary Clinton. An important issue as he has raised

:39:29.:39:32.

questions about the legitimacy of the vote of whether it would be what

:39:33.:39:37.

he thought a read election. It touched on the economy trade, taxes,

:39:38.:39:42.

Islamic State national security, race relations in America and at the

:39:43.:39:46.

end they are, you heard it, they touched on the issue of gender and

:39:47.:39:52.

whether Hillary Clinton, "Looks like a president." I am joined by a North

:39:53.:39:57.

American reporter. You and I were discussing this as we walked over to

:39:58.:40:00.

this position from the press briefing room. Was there a clear

:40:01.:40:06.

winner in this debate? Is very good -- clear that this was thought on

:40:07.:40:11.

the very friendly for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump's foundation

:40:12.:40:16.

and his support for the Iraq War, Obama's certificate. Those were all

:40:17.:40:21.

issues that Donald Trump was on the offensive. When Donald Trump tried

:40:22.:40:26.

to turn it, talk about Hillary's e-mails, she and said that she was

:40:27.:40:30.

wrong and apologised and cut it short. In past times where Hillary

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Clinton has gotten down and talked about these very legal defences

:40:35.:40:39.

about how things were classified. She did not do that the night and so

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I think it moved on talking more about Donald Trump's taxes. This was

:40:46.:40:47.

a debate that was friendly for for Hillary Clinton. Is unforgiving

:40:48.:40:59.

Hillary Clinton one. If you are talking about in a boxing ring and

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asking who was on the defensive, yes, Hillary Clinton one. There was

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no course of the debate where a chic landed a knockout blow. -- where she

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landed. Did you feel there was a moment where it seems like Donald

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Trump was not qualified? At the end, he seemed a bit off message and

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rattled. You saw what he was trying to do. It was to paint Hillary

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Clinton at someone who has been doing this time and time again

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presented with these problems and wasn't going to come up with

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solutions. You mentioned the 30 years, he pinned her as being in

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office for 30 years which suggests she's been around for a long time

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and not part of change. A couple of times, he also said, it's all just

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words, it doesn't mean anything, it's what politicians do and say. I

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think that will resonate with a lot of Americans who, polls show us, are

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really fed up with the state of -- political life in America. It's

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interesting to see that 40% of American public that support Donald

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Trump, they probably didn't see anything that will change their

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mind. They didn't support him because he is a policy guru. They

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support him because he is the outsider, he is the change

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candidate. The question is, whether people who are independent, the

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people that might have been supporting Hillary Clinton after the

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Democratic convention and then shifted away to third-party

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candidates. I think Clinton's message was tailored to that. She

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made some inroads. Eggs very much the joining us. -- banks.

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We will be covering this on all of our website as well. I am joined in

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Washington by Peter Fenton, a Democratic strategist and a

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Republican strategist. Sometimes it's better to watch this on

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television in a nice, quiet room. How did your Democratic candidate

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do? I thought she did extremely well tonight. I do think there were any

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problems, flubs, anything that is going to come back to haunt her.

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Clearly she is very culpable in a 90 minute format. The problem with

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Donald Trump is that he is not. He has real trouble stopping his train

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of thought from going on, the end of the debate was kind of embarrassing

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especially on foreign policy issues where she was a strong. His stamina,

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look question at the end, I thought that was a total disaster the Donald

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Trump. I am balanced. I think that this was a very, very strong

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performance from her. She is the problem solver in this stage, it

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seems. OK, Ron, what did you make of this performance? I thought that he

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did well in the first 30 minutes and put Hillary Clinton on the offensive

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in terms of trade. -- defensive. She was struggling to defend herself and

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had to go through her husband's economic record which was quite some

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time ago. I think Donald Trump also did a very good job of painting her

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as a politician that has been around for a very long time. That she has

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these plans and policies but they have already been tried and they

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have failed. He did a good job painting that picture through the

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course of the debate. I thought that she did not disqualify him as an

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alternative for change in the selection at this point. Donald

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Trump still is very much alive in this debate and that should be

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concerning to the Clinton campaign because his momentum is still moving

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in a direction where right now they are tired that he could be

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surpassing her. OK. Both both of you said your

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candidates did well. Only one of you can be racked. Stay with us.

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Our North America editor, John Sopel, is in the debate Spin

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This is where they send their surrogates to where the press are to

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make the case that Canada to win. What has been happening? --

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candidate. It has been busy. We will swing the camera around to get a

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picture of the people coming out under the banners to spend their

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argument. We have had 1.5 hours of television. 100 million people

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potentially were watching. Now it is up to the party acrobatics to shape

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the reality people have seen to say why their person did better and the

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other did worse. I think I agree with you. There was no one knockout

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moment that will be played again and again. But I felt as as the debate

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went on, Hillary Clinton seemed more comfortable and confident. She did

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not overly disrupt Donald Trump, which I think was her tactic. Donald

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Trump got more flustered and irritated as the debate went on and

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progressed. And I thought she was under a lot of pressure over what we

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have been talking about, the questions over the birther movement

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and other issues as well, like Donald Trump and his tax returns,

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where he found himself on the defensive. Now, of course, it is up

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to the people here to shape the debate. The Democrats are coming

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out, Hillary Clinton's senior people, looking pretty satisfied

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with their night's work. Will he change the debate completely? That

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is a very big question. I still think it will be continued

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tightness. People expecting Donald Trump to fall flat on his face...

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Well, he didn't do that. OK. Jon. One of the key bits of debate is not

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what happens in the 90 minutes but the little moments of the debate

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that get picked up and played constantly on cable television and

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network television. That is what many people will see and will be

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their takeaway from the of them. What moments will be replayed, do

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you think? I thought Donald Trump was pretty effective over attacking

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Hillary Clinton over disastrous trade deals that she had supported

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and the fact she had been part of the political establishment for 30

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years and had not made changes that America needed. Was very good on

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what was wrong with America and the Clinton was much better on

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solutions. A good she was effective on questions about him releasing his

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tax returns and the question over the birther movement. And actually,

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at the end of the debate, when Donald Trump was questioning whether

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Hillary Clinton had the stamina, I Ashley thought it was him, he looked

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rather more tired. -- actually. OK. Done so pull. Thank you. And you

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were convinced your candidate won. I will agree with Jon Sopel before the

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first 20- 30 minutes, when it was on economic trade in particular, Donald

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Trump knew his stuff and many people would agree that trade deals have

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been unfair to American voters. Even on his tax policy at the beginning

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he sounded like the businessman that he is. That is also something that

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appeals to Americans. Do you agree? I don't. I was following the Twitter

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from the press on this and they were giving the first half-hour to

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Hillary Clinton. Part of it was that Donald Trump said trickle-down. We

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have tried this before. Your plan would result in $5 trillion more to

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the deficit. You would cost this country 3.5 million jobs if we go

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with your plan. And I thought the comeback on that really made his

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basic argument is very weak. And then she came back with her economic

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plan, which I thought was strong. And I think what you will find is

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when you look at the Twitter feeds for that and also the fact checking,

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especially on the trade issue, I think you are going to find that at

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first half-hour was actually pretty good. But you are correct, it was

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supposed to be on his turf, his territory, his strong is the point

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throughout the campaign, which is bashing trade deals. So, you know, I

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felt he did not make nearly as much out of it as he could of and a felt

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she was very prepared to counter it. That third party up on the debate

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stage, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Mr and Ms is Twitter were

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up there as well. Ron, I also felt towards the end of the debate,

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whether it is the 90 minutes, the attention issue, somehow, almost the

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real Donald Trump, an element of being thin-skinned, revealed itself,

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especially in the last three minutes. I cannot believe that what

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he was saying about the way Hillary Clinton looks and her stamina is

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going to be something that wins votes among female voters. I would

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have to say in response to Peter that I felt Donald Trump... You have

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two minutes. LAUGHING. He was very strong because

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he is a show man. He understands that millions of viewers only care

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about the first 30-40 minutes of the debate. She was in quicksand and he

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kept her on defence. I totally agree that towards the end of the debate

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Donald Trump should not have set up a question unless he had a zinger to

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go after her with. Because she came right back at him with very prepared

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1-liners. Most of her 1-liners fell flat but I felt that one was rather

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a good one. I think that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will have

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to rethink that strategy. Me ask you about the birther movement section.

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That struck me during the debate. How little time was spent on Hillary

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Clinton's e-mail is. She managed to dispatch that quickly when that

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could have been a week section four hurt in the debate. Weak section for

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her. How do you think he handled the issue? I think Donald Trump could

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have refocused the questions by getting off of the birther issue

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fast and taking it right back on her with the e-mails. The same thing

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happened when she was talking about her solution to cyber security. He

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could have simply taken control of that part of the debate by asking

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her, what argued talking about? You don't have any cyber security over

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your own server. ISight he allowed her and the debate to spend too long

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on that section. -- I felt. At the same time, I don't know how many

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millions of Americans really care about that at the moment. They are

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looking for candidates to talk about the solutions and problems of the

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country. While that certainly was the focus, I am not sure how well or

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poor rally that was spelt out. OK. One of the issues that faced Hillary

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Clinton tonight was coming out and persuading people who feel she is

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not trustworthy and that she has been around too long and that she

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was a regular politician. That she is likeable. It was a personality

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contest of sorts to her. If you talk to Democrats, that is one of the

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reasons that they give for why the polls have been against the

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recently. It didn't seem there was anything personal or personable

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about the debate. No. There really wasn't that much. She talked about

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her father's job as a middle-class tool kind of guy. But, you know, the

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interesting thing to me was that she was very disciplined about not

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rolling her eyes, not scowling, not appearing angry at all, even when

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she was being attacked. A felt Donald Trump probably could learn

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something from looking at this and saying, you know, I have to stop

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interrupting so much and I better watch the rolling of the eyes and

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stuff. It isn't presidential. It doesn't look good. And I felt in

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this debate she was extraordinarily disciplined on that. So in a sense,

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if folks are looking for someone who isn't petulant, they did not get

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that from Donald Trump. Is that the case? With a lorry Clinton, I felt

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she did not connect emotionally with Americans. I think Donald Trump's

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goal here was, number one, talk about the problems of the country,

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two, keep the Clinton on defence. He did for the start with her solution

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is. I think he had moments where he had centres of you must be you know,

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he did show some attention issue is by interrupting her. I thought that

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was trying to get inside her head. He did not, however, this has in

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Donald Trump all along, he has talked about personal stories of

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people. He always goes wholesale, not retail. You does large rallies,

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not diner talk and shaking hands. -- he does. People know that. It is

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whether he is a safe, alternative change to, you know, The Democratic

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Party that has run the White House for the past eight years. Some

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people will still be asking themselves whether or not they are

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ready to vote for him, but he still put up a fight with Hillary Clinton.

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I think that is what is most significant tonight. OK. Very

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briefly, Ron, first of all, how many undecided voters would have changed

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their mind? Literally ten seconds. Very few would have changed their

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minds. But those looking for change in an outsider, they will go for

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Donald Trump, because they want something new, and they know Hillary

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Clinton are quite OK. I don't think there will be huge change after this

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debate. I think there is no question that people are now questioning what

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kind of change is he talking about? Is he competent enough to handle it?

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Dusty have the temperament? I have to jump in. Thank you, both of you.

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Thank you so much for joining me to be this has been the first

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presidential debate. I am Katty

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