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Welcome to this BBC News special. I am Katty Kay at Hofstra University | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
in New York, where in a couple of minutes, Hillary Clinton and Donald | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
Trump will meet each other on the stage behind me for their first | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
televised presidential debate. Some 100 million American viewers are | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
expected to tune in to watch it live. We will be following the | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
proceedings on the BBC. You can go to our live page on the website for | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
all of the coverage. You can find all of the latest analysis and the | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
debate as it unfolds. I am joined by Anthony Zurcher, our political | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
reporter. Huge stakes for these two candidates. Absolutely, not just | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
because there will be a lot of people watching. About 100 million | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
is the estimate. There is a high number of undecided voters, more | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
than past elections. 18% of the electorate right now is either | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
supporting a third-party candidate or is on the fence of whether to | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
support Donald or Hillary. A lot of people going into this with an open | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
mind. We will see what they get out of it. We as showing you pictures | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
from inside the debate hall, and that is Lester Holt, the moderator. | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
He is an NBC News anchor. A lot of pressure for the moderator. He will | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
bring on the candidates. The debate lasts for 90 minutes straight with | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
no brakes. No time to get a cup of tea or go to the bathroom. Three big | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
subjects, six different sections, 15 minute it. That is how the debate is | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
structured. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will come onto the | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
stage behind those podiums. There is a live audience in the hole behind | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
me and a massive audience in America and around the world watching it on | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
television. What are the candidates doing right now? They are probably | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
doing last-minute preparations, touching up make up, getting | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
well-wishers from staff, a couple of last-minute tips. They have prepared | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
in their own way. Hillary Clinton has her briefing books and a lot of | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
details. Donald Trump I imagine will be ready to do his from the calf | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
more important to type of speaking style -- off the cuff. We will see | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
what happens. It is not good did and they will have to adjust to each | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
other's style. -- scripted. What they have been working on is what to | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
expect. We sought Donald Trump debate during the primaries against | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
several other Republican candidates. At times, he was combative and at | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
times retreated. The trick for Hillary Clinton is to know how to | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
take on Donald Trump. He has never been a candidate like him or a | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
debater like him. During the Republican armoury debates, some of | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
his candidates tried to goad him. There is frequent in coming onto the | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
stage. The challenge for her, which Donald Trump? If you take a look at | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
the polls, another challenge will be to reach millennial voters. She has | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
had a weakness among younger voters. I will not be surprised if she talks | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
about making education more affordable. That is the demographic | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
in play. A New York Times columnist summed up as Donald Trump has to | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
show he has a rain and Hillary Clinton has to show she has a hard. | :03:45. | :03:55. | |
They are starting now welcome to the first presidential debate. The | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
candidates are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. It is sponsored by a | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
non-partisan non-profit organisation. The rules have been | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
agreed to by the candidates. The 90 minute debate is divided into six | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
segments, each 15 minutes long. We will explore three topic areas | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
tonight, achieving prosperity, America's direction, and security. | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
At the start of each segment, I will ask the same question to both | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
candidates and they will have up to two minutes to respond. From that | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
point until the end of the segment, we will have an open discussion. The | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
questions are mine and have not been shared with the commission or the | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
campaigns. The audience has agreed to remain silent so we can focus on | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
what the candidates are saying. I will invite you to applaud at this | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
moment as we welcome the candidates, Democratic nominee for president of | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
the United States, Hillary Clinton, and Republican nominee for president | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
of the night it stunk -- of the United States, Donald Trump. | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
APPLAUSE CHEERING | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
Jelinek how are you, Donald? I don't expect us to cover all of | :05:03. | :05:25. | |
the issues of this campaign tonight, but I remind everyone, there are two | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
more debates scheduled. We will focus on many issues voters tell us | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
our most important. We will press for specifics. I am honoured to have | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
this role, but this evening belongs to the candidates, and just as | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
importantly, to the American people. We look forward to hearing you | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
articulate your policy positions, visions and values. Let's begin. We | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
are calling this opening segment achieving prosperity. Central to | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
that is jobs. They are to economic realities in America today. There | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
has been record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
show incomes have increased and a recordbreaker after years of | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
stagnation. However, income inequality remains insignificant and | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
nearly of Americans are living paycheque to paycheque. Beginning | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
with you, Secretary Clinton, why are you a better choice than your | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
opponent to create the kind of jobs that will put more money in the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
pockets of American workers? Thank you, and thank you to Hofstra | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
University for hosting us. The central question in this election is | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
really what kind of country we want to be in and what kind of future we | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
will build together. Today is my granddaughter's second birthday, so | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
I think about this a lot. First we have to build an economy that works | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
for everyone, not just those at the top. That means we need new jobs and | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
good jobs with rising incomes. I want us to invest in you. I want us | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
to invest in your future. That means jobs and infrastructure and advanced | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
Manufacturer. Innovation and technology. Clean renewable energy | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
and small business. Most of the new jobs will come from small business. | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
We also have to make the economy there. That starts with raising the | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
national minimum wage. And also guarantee, finally, equal pay for | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
women's Web. I want to see more companies do profit-sharing. If you | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
help create profits you should be able to share in them, not just the | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
executives at the top. I want us to do more to support people who are | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
struggling to balance family and work. I have heard from so many of | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you are | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
under. Let's have paid family leave. Sick days. Let's have affordable | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
childcare in debt free college. We will do it by having the wealthy pay | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
their fair share and close the corporate loopholes. Finally, | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
tonight, we are on the stage tonight, Donald Trump and I. Donald, | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
it is good to be with you. We are going to have a debate where we are | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
talking about the important issues facing our country. You have to | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
judge asked. Who can shoulder the immense awesome responsibilities of | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
the presidency? Who can put into action the plans that will make your | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
life better? I hope I will be able to own your vote on November the | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
eighth. -- N. Thank you. The same question to you, about putting more | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
money in the pockets of American workers. You have up to two minutes. | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
Thank you. Our jobs are fleeing the country, going to Mexico and other | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
countries. Look at what China is doing to our country. They are to | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
value in their currency. There is nobody in our government to fight | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
them. We have a very good fight and a winning five. They are using our | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
country as a piggybank to rebuild China, and many countries are doing | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
the same thing. -- winning fight. We are losing so many good jobs. When | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
you look at what is happening in Mexico, a friend of mine said it is | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
the eighth wonder of the world, building some of the biggest plants, | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
some of the most sophisticated. With the United States, not so much. Ford | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
is leaving. UCB small car division living. Thousands of jobs leaving | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
Michigan, a higher, they are all living, and we cannot allow it to | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
happen. As far as childcare and so many other things, I think Hillary | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
Clinton and I agree, we probably disagree as to numbers and amounts | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
and what we are going to do, but perhaps we will talk about that | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
later. But we have to stop our jobs from being stolen from us. We have | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
to stop our companies from leaving the United States, and with that, | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
barring all of their people. All you have to do is look at the air | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
conditioning in Indianapolis. They are going to Mexico. So many | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. We cannot let it | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
happen. Under my plan, I will be reducing taxes, tremendously, from | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
35% down to 15% for small and big businesses. That will be a job | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
creator like we have not seen since Ronald Reagan. It will be a | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
beautiful thing to watch. Companies will come and build and expand. You | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
companies will start. I look forward to doing it. We have to renegotiate | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
our trade Guilds and we have to stop these countries from stealing our | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
companies and our jobs. Would you like to respond? I think trade is an | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
important issue. We are 5% of the world's population and have to trade | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
with the other 95%. We need to have smart and fair trade deals. We also | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
need to have a tax system that rewards work and not just financial | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
transactions. The kind of plan that Donald has put forward would be | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
cheaper down economics all over again. It would be the most extreme | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
version, tax cuts for the top % -- trickle down. I call it trumped up | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
chicle down, because that is what it would be. That is not how we grow | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
the economy. We just have a different view about what is best | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
for growing the economy, how we make investments that will produce jobs | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
and rising incomes. I think we come at it from someone different | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
perspectives. I understand that. Donald was very unfortunate in his | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
life, and that is all to his benefit. He started his business | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
with $14 million borrowed from his father. He really believes that the | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
more you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be in that | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
everything will work out. I don't buy that. I have a different | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
express. My father was a small businessmen. He worked hard printing | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Jo Frith fabrics on long tables, where he would pull out those | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
fabrics and go down with a still screen and put the painting and get | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
going. -- silkscreen. The more we can do for the and investing you, | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
your education, law skills, the future, the better we will be in the | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
better we will grow. That is the kind of economy I want us to see | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
again. You have talked about creating 25 main jobs and promised | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
to bring back millions of jobs for Americans -- 25 million. How will | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
you bring back industries that have left is country the cheaper labour | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
overseas? Specifically how will you tell manufacturers they have to come | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
back? Before we start on that, my father gave me a small amount and I | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
built it into accompanied with many billions of dollars with some of the | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
greatest assets and the world. I say that the goods that is the kind of | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
thinking our country needs. Our country is in deep trouble. We do | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
not know what we are doing when it comes to devaluations. These | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
countries, especially China, they are the best ever at it. What they | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
are doing to us is a sad thing. We have to do that. We have to | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
renegotiate our traders. They are taking our jobs, giving incentives, | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
doing things we do not do. Let me give you an example of Mexico. They | :13:26. | :13:35. | |
have a VAT tax. When we sell text into Mexico, there is a tax. When | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
they sell into us, there is no tax. It is an defective agreement. But | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
the politicians have not done anything about it. In all fairness | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
to Secretary Clinton, yes, is that OK? Good. I want you to be very | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
happy. It is very important to me. In all fairness, when she started | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
talking about this, it was recently. She has been doing this for 30 | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
years. Why hasn't she make the agreement a better? The agreement is | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
defective. Because of tax and many other reasons. Let me interact. | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
Secretary Clinton and others, politicians, should have been doing | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
this for years, not right now, just because we have created a movement. | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
They should have been doing this for years. What happened to our jobs and | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
our country and our economy generally, we owed $20 trillion. We | :14:28. | :14:36. | |
cannot do it any longer. Back to the question, how do you specifically | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
wingback jobs, American manufacturers? The first thing to do | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
is not lead the jobs leave. The companies are leaving. There are | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
thousands living and they are living in bigger numbers than ever. What | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
you do is say fine, you want to go to Mexico or some other country, we | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
wish you a lot of luck. But if you think you will make your cars, | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
air-conditioners or cookies and bring them into our country without | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
a tax, you are wrong. Once you say you will have to tax them coming in, | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
and politicians never do this, because they have special interests, | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
and they want those companies to leave, because in many cases, they | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
own the companies. I am saying we can stop them from leaving. We have | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
to stop them from leaving. That is a big factor. . HOLT: Secretary | :15:26. | :15:34. | |
Clinton? Let us stop and remember where we were eight years ago. We | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
were in the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. That was in large | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
part because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
to invest in the middle took their eyes off Wall Street and created a | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
perfect storm. In fact, Donald was one of the people who rooted for the | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
housing crisis. Back in 2006 he said that he hoped it would collapse | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
because he could go in, by some and make money. That is core business, | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
by the way. 9 million people lost their jobs, 5 million lost their | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
homes and trillions of dollars will wipe down in family wealth. We have | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
come back from that abyss and it has not been easy. We are on the | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
precipice of having a much better economy but the last thing we need | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
to do is go back to the policies that failed us in the first place. | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
Independent experts have looked at what I have proposed and what Donald | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
has proposed and basically they have said that if his tax plan which | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
would blow up the debt I over $5 trillion and would, in some | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
instances, this advantage middle-class families, we would lose | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
3.5 million jobs and maybe have another recession. They looked at my | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
plans and they said OK, if we can do this, and I intend to get it done, | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
we will have 10 million more new jobs because we will be making | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
investments where we can grow the economy. Clean energy, for example, | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
some country will be the clean energy superpower of the century. | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
do not say that. I do not say that. I say we gripped this and deal with | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
it at home and abroad. We can employ more solar panels. We can have | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
enough clean energy to supply every home. We can build a new grid. That | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
is a lot of jobs and a lot of economic activity. I try to be very | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
specific about what we can and should do and I am determined that | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
we need to get the economy moving again, building on the progress we | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
have made over the last eight years but never returning to what got us | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
in trouble in the first place. She speaks about solar panels. It was a | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
disaster. There was plenty of money lost on that one. I am a great | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
believer in all forms of energy. But we are putting a lot of people out | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
of work. Al energy policies are a disaster. Our country is losing so | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
much in terms of energy, in terms of paying off our debts. You can not do | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
what you are looking at doing with $20 trillion in debt. The Obama | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
administration, since they have come in, is over 230 years worth of debt | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
and he has doubled it in 7.5 years. I will tell you this. We must do a | :18:47. | :18:54. | |
much better job at keeping our jobs. And we must do a better job at | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
giving companies incentive to build new companies and to expand because | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
we are not doing that. All you need to do is look at Michigan and Ohio | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
and all of these places where so many of their jobs and companies are | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
just leaving. They are gone. And, Hillary, I ask you this is- you have | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
been doing this for 30 years. Why are you thinking about these | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
solutions only now? Only now you are thinking of solutions. Excuse me. I | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
will bring back jobs. You cannot. Actually, I have thought about this | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
a lot. Yes, for 30 years. Not quite that long. I think my husband did a | :19:41. | :19:50. | |
good job in the 1990s. He approved NAFTA which is the single worst | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
trade deal ever in this country. Manufacturing jobs went up in the | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
1990s if we will look at fact. When I was in the Senate I had a number | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
of trade deals that came before me and I held them all to the same test | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
- will they create jobs in America? Will they raise income? Are they | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
good for our national security? The biggest one, a multi national one | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
known as CAFTA, I voted against. I hold the same standards as I look at | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
all these deals. Let us not assume that trade is the only challenge we | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
have in the economy. I think it is a part of it and I have said what I am | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
going to do, I will have a special prosecutor to enforce the trade | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
deals that we have and to hold people accountable. When I was | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
Secretary of State we increased American exported globally by 30%. | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
We increased 50% into China. I know how to really work to get new jobs | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
and exports that helped to create more new jobs. But you haven't done | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
it in 30 years or 26 years. I am a senator. I have been Secretary of | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
State and I have. Your husband signed NAFTA which is one of the | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
worst things that ever happened. You go to New England, Ohio, | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
Pennsylvania, anywhere you like, Secretary Clinton, and you will see | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
devastation with manufacturers down up to 50%. NAFTA is maybe the worst | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
trade deals signed anywhere, certainly in this country. And now | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
you want to approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership. You were | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
in favour of it and then you heard how is I said it was bad. You could | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
not approve it then. That is almost as bad as NAFTA. That is just | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
inaccurate. I was against it once. Once it was finally negotiated and | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
the terms were laid out. I wrote about that. You called it the gold | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
standard. You called it the gold standard of trade deals, the fine | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
deal you had ever seen and then you heard what I said and then you win | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
against it. I know, Donald, that you live in your own reality, but that | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
is not the facts. After it was negotiated, which I was not | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
responsible for, I concluded it was not a good deal. So is it the fault | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
of President Obama? Secretary, is it the fault of President Obama because | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
he is pushing it? There are differing views about what is good | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
for our country, our economy and our leadership in the world. I think it | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
is important to look at what we need to do to get the economy going | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
again. That is why I said that new jobs with rising incomes, | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
investments. Not more tax cuts that would add $5 trillion to the debt. | :22:48. | :22:56. | |
But you have no plan. I wrote a book about it. It is called Stronger | :22:57. | :23:05. | |
Together. You can purchase it in a book stall near you. We need strong | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
and sustained growth. We also need to look at how we help families | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
balance responsibilities at home and business. We have a robust set of | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
plans and people have looked at our plans and have concluded that mine | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
would create 10 million jobs and yours would lose us 3.5 million | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
jobs. You are going to approve one of the biggest tax breaks in | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
history. You are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
history. You will drive business out. Your regulations are a disaster | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
and you will increase regulations all over the place and, by the way, | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
my tax cut is the biggest since Ron Reagan. I am very proud of it. It | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
will create tremendous numbers of new jobs. But you will regulate | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
these businesses out of business. When I go around, Leicester, I tell | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
you I have been all over, when I go around, the singer businesses and | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
people like the most is the fact that I'm cutting regulation. You | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
have regulations on top of regulations and new companies cannot | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
form and old companies are going out of business and you want to increase | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
the regulations and make them even worse. I will cut them. But I will | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
cut taxes big-league and you will raise them big league. End of story. | :24:28. | :24:37. | |
Let's move to the next step. I assumed that there would be a lot of | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
these charges and claims. Facts. We have taken the homepage of my | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
website and we have turned it into a fact checker. If you would like to | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
see in real time what the facts are, please go and take a look. Please, | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
also take a look at mine. Your plans would add $5 trillion to the debt. | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
What I have proposed will cut regulations and streamline them for | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
small businesses. What I have proposed will be paid for by raising | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
taxes on the wealthy because they have made all of the gains in the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
economy and I think it is time that the wealthy and corporations paid | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
their fair share to support this country. You have just opened the | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
next segment. You go to her website and you take a look at our website. | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
She is going to raise taxes bite trillions of dollars. It is no | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
difference to this. She is telling us how to fight ISIS. Go to her | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
website, she tells you how to fight ices. I don't think General Douglas | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
MacArthur would like that too much. -- find ISIS. At least I have a plan | :25:49. | :25:57. | |
to fight them. You are telling the enemy everything you want to do. No | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
wonder you have been fighting ISIS your entire adult life. Folks, let | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
me... Please, go to the fact checker. You are an packing a lot | :26:10. | :26:29. | |
here and you in this next two-minute answer goes to you, Mr Trump. I am | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
calling for major jobs because the wealthy will create an tremendous | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
jobs, expand their companies and away tremendous job. I'm getting | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
would have provisions and, if you look, it is really not a tax, a | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
great thing for the wealthy, it is wonderful for the middle-class and | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
for companies to expand. When these people put billions and billions of | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
dollars into companies and when they bring $2.5 trillion back from | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
overseas where they can bring their money back because politicians | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
Secretary Clinton will not allow them to bring the money back because | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
the taxes are so owner is in the bureaucratic red tape is so bad. So | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
what they are doing as they are leaving our country and they are, | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
believe it or not, believe it or not, leaving because taxes are too | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
high and many of them have lots of money outside of our country and set | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
of bringing it back and putting our country to work. Everybody agrees it | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
should be brought back. Instead of that they are leaving our country to | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
get their money because they cannot bring their money back into our | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
country because of bureaucratic red tape because they can't get | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
together. We have a president that can't sit around the table and get | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
them to approve something. Here is the thing. Republicans and Democrats | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
agreed that this should be done. $2.5 trillion. I think it is double | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
that, wobbly $5 trillion we can bring into our country, Leicester, | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
and, with a little leadership you would get it in here very quickly | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
and it could be put to use on the inner cities and lots of other | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
things and it would be beautiful. But we have no leadership. And, | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
honestly, that starts with Secretary Clinton. You have two minutes on the | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
same question to defend tax increases. I feel that by the end of | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
this evening I will be blamed for everything that has ever happened. | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
Why not? Just join the debate by saying more crazy things. There is | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
nothing crazy about not letting our companies bring their money back | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
into... This is Secretary Clinton's two minutes. Let's start the clock | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
again, Leicester. We have looked at your tax proposals. I don't see | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
changes in the corporate tax rates all the kinds of proposals are | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
referring to that would call the repatriation of money that is | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
stranded overseas. Then you did not read it. I happen to support that in | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
a way that will actually work to our benefit. But when I look at what you | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
have proposed you have what is called, now, the trump loophole | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
because it would sell advantage you and the business you do. You have | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
proposed... Who gave it that name? Mr Trump, this is Secretary Clinton | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
is two minutes. How much for my family? As I said, Trumped-up | :29:25. | :29:38. | |
trickle-down. That got us into the mess, trickle-down does not work. | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
Slashing taxes of the wealthy does not work and a lot of smart wealthy | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
people know that. They are saying, hey, we need to do more to make the | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle class. I do not | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
think top-down works in America. I think building the middle class, | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
investing in the middle class, making college debt free so that | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
more people can get their education. Helping people refinance their debt | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
from college at a lower rate. Those are the kind of things that will | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
really boost the economy. Broad-based inclusive growth is what | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
we need in America, not more advantages for people at the very | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
top. Typical politician. All told, no | :30:19. | :30:28. | |
action. Never going to happen. Our country is suffering because people | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
like Secretary Clinton have made such bad decisions in terms of our | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
jobs and in terms of what is going on. We have the worst revival of an | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
economy since the great depression. And believe me, we are in a bubble | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
right now. The only thing that looks good is the stock market. If you | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
raise interest rates, that will come crashing down. We are in a league, | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
fat, ugly bubble, and we have to be careful. This Janet Yellen of the | :30:59. | :31:07. | |
Federal Reserve, they been political keeping interest rates at this | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
level. The day Barack Obama leaves and goes out to the golf course for | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
will see very bad things happen. The Fed is not doing their job. The Fed | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
is being more political than Secretary Clinton. We are talking | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
about the burden Americans have to pay, you have not released your tax | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
returns. The recent nominees have released their returns for decades | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
is so voters will know if their potential president owes money to | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
who they to any business conflicts. Don't Americans have a right to know | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
if there are any conflicts of interest? I am under a routine audit | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
and it will be released as sinners it is finished. But you will learn | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
more about Donald Trump by going down to the federal elections, where | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
I filed a 104 page financial statement, the forms they have, that | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
show income. I just looked today. The income is filed at $694 million | :32:08. | :32:16. | |
for this past year. If you would have told me I was going to make | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
that 15 or 20 years ago, I would have been surprised. But that is the | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
kind of thinking our country needs. When we have a country doing so | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
badly, being ripped off by every country in the world, it is the kind | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
of thinking that our country needs. Everybody, we have a trade deficit, | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
with all of the countries we do business with, of almost $800 | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
billion a year. You know what that is? Who is negotiating these trade | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
deals? We have people who are political hacks negotiating our | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
trade Guilds. The IRS said you are perfectly free to release your taxes | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
during an audit. The question is does the public right to know | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
outweigh? I will release them as sinners the order is finished. I | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
have been under order for 15 years. I know a lot of wealthy people never | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
audited. I get audited or missed every year. It has almost come away | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
of life, being audited by the RS. But other people don't -- IRS. We | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. I will | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes, when she releases | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted, and as soon as she releases | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
them, I will release my tax returns. CHEERING | :33:44. | :33:51. | |
Element my lawyers say don't do it. Watching the shows and reading the | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
papers, or missed every lawyer says you do not released your returns and | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
to the order is complete. When it is complete, I will do it. But I will | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
go against them if she does it. So it is negotiable? Why did she delete | :34:05. | :34:15. | |
33,000 in us? -- in us. I would just admonish the audience, we did ask | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
you for salads. Another example of bait and switch -- salads. Everybody | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
running for president has released their tax returns. You can see 39 or | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
40 years of tax returns. Everyone has done it. We know the IRS has | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
made clear there is no prohibition on releasing it under order. You | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
have to ask yourself, why won't he released his tax returns? -- audit. | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
There may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he is not as rich as he | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
says he is. Maybe he is not as charitable as he says. We don't know | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
all of his business dealings, but we have been told three investigators | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
reporting he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks. | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
But maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
tonight, to know he is paying nothing in federal taxes. The only | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
use anybody has seen a couple of years when he had to turn them over | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
to state authorities when trying to get a casino licence, and they | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
showed he did not pay federal income tax. If he has paid zero, that means | :35:28. | :35:37. | |
04 trips, 04 vets, zero the schools by health -- or health, and he is | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
not in the set stick about having the rest of the country see what the | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
real reasons are, because it must be something important or terrible he | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
is trying to hide -- zero for troops. The financial disclosure | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
statements do not give you all of the details that tax returns would. | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
It just seems to me that this is something the American people | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
deserve to see, and I have no reason to believe that he is ever going to | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
release his tax returns. There is something he is hiding. We will keep | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
guessing at what it might be he is hiding. But I think the question is, | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
where he ever to get me the White House, what would be those | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
conflicts? Who does he own money to? He owes you the answers to that and | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
should provide them. He also raised the issue of your e-mails. Do you | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
want to respond? I do. I made a mistake using a private e-mail. That | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
is the shore. If I had to do it again, I would do it differently. | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
But I will not make excuses. It was a mistake and I take responsibility | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
for that. Mr Charm. That was more than a mistake -- Trumper. That was | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
done on purpose. When you have your staff taking the fifth Amendment, | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
taking the face, so they are not prosecuted. When you have the men | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
who set up the illegal server taking the fifth Amendment, I think it is | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
disgraceful. This country thinks it is disgraceful. Really thinks it is | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
disgraceful. As far as my tax returns, you don't learn much from | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
tax returns. You learn a lot from financial disclosure, and you should | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
go down and take a look at that. I am under leveraged. The report that | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
said $650 million, which by the way a lot of friends of mine said that | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
is not a lot of money, relative to what I had, the buildings in | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
question, in the same report, which was not a bad story, to be honest, | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
the buildings are worth $3.9 billion. The $659 is not even that. | :37:48. | :37:59. | |
I could give you a list of banks, very fine institutions, very fine | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
banks. I can do that quickly. I am under leveraged. I have a great | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
company and a tremendous income. The reason I say that is not to brag but | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
because it is about time this country had somebody running it that | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
has an idea about money. When we have $20 trillion in debt, and our | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
country is a mess, it is one thing to have $20 trillion in debt on our | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
roads and bridges are good and everything is in great shape. Our | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
airports are like from a world third World country. You land at Newark or | :38:32. | :38:41. | |
LAX, you come in from to buy or China, is the these incredible | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
airports and you land -- leg. We have become a third World country. | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
We owe $20 trillion and we are a mess! We haven't even started. We | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
have spent $16 in the Middle East, according to a report I just saw -- | :38:58. | :39:06. | |
$6 trillion. We could have rebuilt our country twice for that. It is | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
with a shame. It is politicians like Secretary Clinton that have caused | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
this problem. Our country has commenced problems. We are in debt, | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
in serious debt, and we have a country that needs new roads, | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
tunnels, bridges, airports, schools, hospitals, and we don't have the | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
money because it has been squandered on so many of your ideas. Maybe | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
because you have not paid any federal income taxes for a lot of | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
years. The other thing I think is important... It would be squandered | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
as well. If your main claim to be president of the United States is | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
your business, I think we should talk about that. Your campaign | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
manager said you built a lot of businesses is on the backs of little | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
guys, and I have met a lot of the people who were stiffed by you and | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
your businesses, Donald. I have met dishwashers, painters, architects, | :40:05. | :40:12. | |
glass installers, marble installers, drapery installers, like my dad was, | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
you refuse to pay when they finished the work that you ask them to do. We | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
have an architect in the audience who designed one of your clubhouses | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
at one of your golf courses. It is a beautiful facility. It immediately | :40:28. | :40:34. | |
was put to use. And you would not pay what the men needed to be paid, | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
what it was charging you. Maybe he did not do a good job and I was | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
unsatisfied with his work. There are thousands of people you have stiffed | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
over because of your business. Do they not deserve some kind of | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
apology from someone who has taken their labour, taking the goods they | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
produced, and then refuse to pay them? I can only say I am certainly | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
believed my father never did business with you. He provided a | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
good middle-class life for us, but the people he worked for, he | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
expected the bargain to be kept on both sides. When we talk about your | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
business, you have taken business bankruptcy six times. There are a | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
lot of great business people that have never taken bankruptcy once. | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
You call yourself the king of debt. You talk about leveraged. At one | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
time, and even suggested you had tried to negotiate down the national | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
debt of the United States. Wrong. Sometimes there is not a direct | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
transfer of skills from business to government. But sometimes what | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
happened in business would be really bad the government. I think it is | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
time. I do think it is time. It is all words and sound bites. I built | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
an unbelievable company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
world, and on to the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
It is an unbelievable company. But on occasion, four times, we used | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
certain laws that are there, and when Secretary Clinton talks about | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
people that did not get paid, first of all, they do get paid a lot. But | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
taking advantage of the laws of the nation. If you want to change the | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
laws, you have been there a long time, change the laws. But I have | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
taken advantage of the laws of the nation. I am running a country. My | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
obligation is to do well for myself, my family, my employees and my | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
companies, and that is what I do. But she does not say that the tens | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
of thousands of people who are unbelievably happy and love me, I | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
will give you an example. We are just opening up on Pennsylvania | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
Avenue, right next to the White House, so if I don't get their | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
1-way, I will get to Pennsylvania Avenue another way. But we are | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
opening the old Post Office, under budget, ahead of schedule, saving | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
tremendous money. We are in year ahead of schedule. That is what this | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
country should be doing. We build roads and a customary or four times | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
what they are supposed to cost. We buy products for the military and | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
they come in at costs so far above what they are supposed to be because | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
we don't have people who know what they are doing. When we look at the | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
budget, it is bad as we have people who have no idea as to what to do | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
and how to buy. Trump International is way under budget and way ahead of | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
schedule. We should be able to do that for our country. We are well | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
behind schedule, so we will move to the next segment, talking about | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
America's direction. Let's start by talking about race. The share of | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
Americans who say reservations are bad in this country is the highest | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
in decades. Much of it amplified as shootings of African Americans by | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
police as we have seen recently in Charlotte and toss. Race has been a | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
big issue and one of you will have to bridge a very wide and bitter gap | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
-- Tulsa. How do you heal the divide? You are right. Race remains | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
a significant challenge in our country. Unfortunately, race still | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
determined to much, it often determines where people live, what | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
kind of education in their public schools they can get, and yes, it | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
determines how they are treated in the criminal justice system. We have | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
seen those two tragic examples in Tulsa and Charlotte. We have to do | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
several things at the same time. We have to restore trust between | :44:49. | :44:58. | |
communities and the police. We have to work to make sure our police are | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
using the best training, the best techniques, that they are well | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
prepared to use force only when necessary. Everyone should be | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
respected by the law, and everyone should respect the law. Right now, | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
that is not the case in a lot of our neighbourhoods. So I have, ever | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
since the first day of my campaign, called for criminal Justice reform. | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
I have laid out a platform that I think would begin to remedy some of | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
the problems we have in the criminal justice system. But we also have to | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
recognise in addition to the challenges that we face with | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
policing, there are so many good and brave police officers who equally | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
one reform. So we have to bring communities together in order to | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
begin working on that as a mutual goal. And we have to get guns out of | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
the hands of people who should not have them. The gun epidemic is the | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
leading cause of death of young African American men, more than the | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
next nine courses put together. We have to do two things, we have to | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
restore trust, work with the police, we have to make sure they respect | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
the committees and communities respect them, and we have to tackle | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
the plague of gun violence which is a big contributor to a lot of the | :46:21. | :46:22. | |
problems we are seeing today. . Mr Trump, you have to make | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
minutes. How do you heal the divide? Secretary Clinton does not want to | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
use a couple of words- law and order. We need law and order. If we | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
do not have it, we do not have a country. And when I look at what is | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
going on in Charlotte, a city I love, a city where I have | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
investments, when I look at what is going on for our various parts of | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
our country, I could keep naming the more they long. We need law and | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
order in our country. I just got today, as you know, the endorsement | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
of the fraternal order of police who just came in. We have endorsements | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
from, I think, almost every police group. A large percentage of them in | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
the United States. We have a situation where we have our inner | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
cities, African-Americans and Hispanics are living in hell because | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
it is so dangerous. You walk down the street you get shot. In Chicago | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
have had thousands of shootings. Thousands. Since January one. | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
Thousands of shootings. Where is this? Is this a war-torn country? | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
What are we doing? We have to stop the violence, we have to bring back | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
Laura and order. In a place like Chicago where thousands of people | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
have been killed over the last number of years. Almost 4000 have | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
been killed since Barack Obama became president. Almost 4000 people | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
in Chicago have been killed. We have to bring back law and order. Now | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
whether or not in a place like Chicago you do stop and Frisk which | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
worked very well in New York. We brought the crime rate way down. You | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
take the gun away from criminals and should not be having it. We have | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
gangs roaming the street and in many cases they are illegally here, | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
illegal immigrants, and they have guns and they shoot people. We have | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
to be very strong and we have to be very vigilant. We have to know what | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
we are doing. Right now our police, in many cases, are afraid to do | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
anything. We have to protect our inner cities because | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
African-American communities are being decimated by crime. Your two | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
minutes expired but I do want to follow-up. Stop and Frisk was ruled | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
unconstitutional in New York because it singled out black and Hispanic | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
young men. You are wrong. It went before a judge who was a very | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
against police judge. It was taken away from her and our men are, our | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
new mayor refused to go forward with the case. They won it on appeal. The | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
argument is that it is a form of racial profiling. The argument is | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
that we need to take guns away from them, from people who should not | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
have them. These are felons, these are bad people... When you have 3000 | :49:26. | :49:31. | |
shootings in Chicago from January one, when you have 4000 people | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
killed in Chicago by guns from the beginning of the presidency of | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
Barack Obama, his hometown, you have to have stop and Frisk. You need | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
more police. You need better community relations. You do not have | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
good community relations in Chicago. It is terrible. I have property | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
there. It is terrible what is going on there. You go to Ferguson, you go | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
to so many different places... You need a better relationships. I agree | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
with Secretary Clinton on this. You need better relations between the | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
communities and police because in some cases it is not good. Look at | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
Dallas where the relationship was studied. The relationship was a | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
beautiful thing and then five police officers were killed. Very violently | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
one night. So there are bad things going on. Some really bad things. | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
Secretary Clinton... Lester. We need law and order. And we need law and | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
order in the inner cities because the people that are most affected by | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
what is happening are African-American and Hispanic people | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
and it is very unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
happen. HOLT: Secretary Clinton. I heard Donald say this at his rallies | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
and it is really unfortunate that he paints such a dire negative picture | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
of black communities in our country. The vibrancy of the black church, | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
the black businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
so many families are working to provide for their kids. There is a | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting and lifting | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
up. But we do always have to make sure we keep people safe. There are | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
right ways of doing it and then there are ways that are ineffective. | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
Stop and Frisk was found to be unconstitutional. In part, because | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
it was ineffective. It did not do what it needed to do. I believe in | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
community policing and, in fact, violent crime is one half of what it | :51:43. | :51:48. | |
was in 1991. Property crime is down 40%. We just want to see it creep | :51:49. | :51:56. | |
back up. We have had 25 years of very good cooperation but there were | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
some problems. There were unintended consequences. Too many young African | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
American and Latina men ended up in jail for non-violent offences and it | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
is just a fact that if you are a young African-American man and you | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
do the same thing as a young white man, you are more likely to be | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated. So we have to address | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. We cannot just say | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
at Laura and order, we have to say, we have to come forward with a plan | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
that is going to divert people from the criminal justice system, deal | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
with mandatory minimum sentences which have put too many people away | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
for too long. We need to have more second chance programmes. I am glad | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
that we are renting private set isn't in the federal system. I want | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
to see them ended in the state system. There should not be a profit | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
motivation to fill prison cells. There are positive ways we can work | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
on this. And I believe strongly that common sense gun safety measures | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
would assist us. Right now. And this is something that Donald has | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
supported along with the gun lobby, right now we have got too many | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
military style weapons on the street. In a lot of places our | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
police are outgunned. We need comprehensive background checks and | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
we need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm and | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
we finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who was on the | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
terrorist watch list being able to buy a gun in our country. If you are | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to purchase a gun. There | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
are things we ought to do... Last week you said that we need to do | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
everything possible to improve the implicit bias in the police. Do you | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
believe they are implicitly biased against black people? I think it is | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
a problem for everybody, not just the police. Too many of us in our | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
great country jump to conclusions about each other. Therefore I think | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
we need, all of us, to be asking hard questions about... Why am I | :54:18. | :54:25. | |
feeling this way? When it comes to policing it can have literally fatal | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
consequences. I have said in my first budget we would put money into | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
that budget to help us deal with implicit bias we retraining a lot of | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
our police officers. I met with a group of very distinguished | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
experienced police chiefs a few weeks ago. They admit it is an | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
issue. They have many concerns. Mental health is a big concern | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
echoes now police need to handle a lot of difficult mental health | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
problems on the street. They want support. They want more training. | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
They want more assistance. I think the Federal government could be in a | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
position where we would offer and provide that. Would you like to | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
respond? First of all, I agree and a lot of people even within my own | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
party want to give certain rights to people on the watch lists and no-fly | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
list. I agree with you. When somebody is on a watch list and the | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
no-fly list. I have the endorsement of the NRA and is a very good people | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
and I am very proud of that. They are supporting the second Amendment. | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
When people are on the watchlist, even if they should not be on there, | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
we will help them legally to get off it, but I tend to agree with that. | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
Very strongly. I do want to bring up the fact that you were the one who | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
brought up the word super predator about young black sea. That is a | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
term that I think has been horribly met, as you know. You have | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
apologised for it. But I think it was a terrible thing to say. And | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
when it comes to stop and Frisk, you are talking about taking guns away, | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
I am talking about taking guns away from gangs. Disagree with me if you | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
want to know the truth, I think there is a political reason, you | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
can't say, but I really do not believe. In New York City, stop and | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
Frisk, we had 2200 murders and stop and Frisk brought back down to 500 | :56:20. | :56:25. | |
murders. That is a lot of murders. 500. Is that supposed to be good? | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
But we went from 2200 down to 500 and it was continued by Mayor | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
Bloomberg and terminated by the current mayor. It had a tremendous | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
impact on the safety of New York City. Tremendous beyond belief. So | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
when you say it has no WinPad, it really did. It had a very big | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
impact. It is also fair to say that if we are going to talk about method | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
under the current mayor, crime has continued to drop including murders. | :56:54. | :57:00. | |
Now, murder is up. New York has done an excellent job. I give credit | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
across the board going back to make mayors, two police chiefs because it | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
has worked and other communities that need to come together to do | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
what will work as well. One murder is too many. But it is important | :57:15. | :57:22. | |
that we learn about what has been effective and not go to things that | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
sound good that really did not have the kind of impact that we would | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
want. Who disagrees with keeping neighbourhoods safe? Let's also add, | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
no-one should disagree about respecting the rights of young men | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
who live in those neighbourhoods. And, so, we need to do a better job | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
about working again with the communities, Faith communities, | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
business communities as well as the police to try to deal with this | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
problem. This conversation is about race. Mr drum, I must ask... I would | :57:57. | :58:04. | |
like to respond. The African-American community has been | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
let down by our politicians. They talk good around election time like | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
right now and then after the election they say to you later. I | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
will see when four years. The African-American community... The | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
community, the community in the inner cities has been so badly | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
treated they have been abused and used in order to get votes by | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
Democrat politicians because that is what it is. They have controlled | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
these communities for up to 100 years. Mr Trump... I tell you. Look | :58:33. | :58:40. | |
at the inner cities. I just left Detroit and Philadelphia. I have | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
been all over the place. You decide to stay home and that is OK. I will | :58:44. | :58:49. | |
tell you, I have been all over and I have met some of the greatest people | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
live will ever meet within these communities. They are very, very | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
upset with what the politicians have told them and what their politicians | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
have done. I think Donald just criticise me for preparing for this | :59:03. | :59:09. | |
debate. And, yes, I did. And you know what also prepare for? I | :59:10. | :59:12. | |
prepare to be president. I think that is a good thing. Mr Trump, you | :59:13. | :59:28. | |
have perpetuated for a number of years and questioned the legitimacy | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
of the presidency of the nation 's first African-American president. | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
Recently you have changed this. What has changed your mind? Sidney | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
Blumenthal works for the campaign, a very close friend of Secretary | :59:42. | :59:49. | |
Clinton. Her campaign manager, Paddy Doyle, went to, during the campaign, | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
her campaign against President Obama, fought very hard and you can | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
go look it up and you can check it out and if you look at CNN this past | :00:00. | :00:06. | |
week, Paddy was an Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened. Bloom in | :00:07. | :00:16. | |
Blumenthal send a reporter to Kenya to find out about it. She failed to | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
get the birth certificate. When I got involved I did not fail. I got | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
him to give the birth certificate. So I am satisfied with it. And I | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
will tell you why aren't satisfied with it. Because I want to get on | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
with defeating Isis. I want to get onto creating jobs. I want to get | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
onto having a strong border. Because I want to get onto things that are | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
very important to me and are very important the country. | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
I will let you respond, but I want to get an answer. He questioned the | :00:47. | :00:56. | |
president's Bridges is me -- legitimacy over several years. What | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
changed your mind? Nobody was caring about it. I figured he would ask the | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
question, but nobody was caring much about it. I got him to produce the | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
birth certificate, and I think I did a good job. Secretary Clinton also | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
faulted. Now everybody is going to say that is not true -- fought it. | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Sidney Blumenthal said you just have to take a look at CNN, the last | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
week, the interview with your former campaign manager, and she was | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
involved. But just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
I will let you respond to that. There is a lot there. But we are | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
talking about racial healing. What you say to Americans? I say nothing | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
because they should have produced it earlier. When you talk about killing | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
it -- healing, I have developed good relationships over the last little | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
while with the African-American committee. I think you can see that. | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
-- committee. I feel they really wanted me to come to that | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
conclusion, and I think I did a great job and a great service not | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
only for the country but also that the president in getting him to | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
produce his. Secretary Clinton. Just listen to what you heard. | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
LAUGHTER Clearly, as Donald just admitted, he | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
knew he would stand on this debate stage and Leicester hope would ask | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
us questions, so he tried to put the whole racist birth lie to bed -- | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
Lester Holt. But it can't be dismissed that easily. He has really | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
black president was not an American citizen. There was absolutely no | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
evidence for it, but he persisted, year after year, because some of his | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
supporters, people he was trying to bring into his fault apparently | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
believed it wanted to believe it. But remember, Donald started his | :03:09. | :03:16. | |
career back in 1973 being sued at the Justice Department for racial | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
discrimination. Because he would not rent apartment in one of these | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
departments to African Americans, and he made sure the people who work | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
the him understood that was the policy. He was sick twice by the | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
Justice Department. -- sued twice. He has a long record of engaging in | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
racist behaviour. And the birth lie was a very hurtful one. Barack Obama | :03:44. | :03:51. | |
is a man of great dignity, and I could tell how much it bothered him | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
and annoyed him that this was being touted and used against him, but I | :03:57. | :04:04. | |
like to remember what Michelle Obama said in her amazing speech at out | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
Democratic National Convention, when they go though, we go higher. And | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
Barack Obama went high despite Donald Trump's best efforts to bring | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
him down -- go low. You can respond. I would like to respond. I got to | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
watch some of your debate against President Obama. You treated him | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
with terrible disrespect. I watched the way you talk about how | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
everything is lovely, but it doesn't work that way. You were after him, | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
you even Santa pictures, or your campaign sent out pictures of him in | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
a certain garb, but just last week, you'll campaign manager said it was | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
true -- sent out pictures. When you try to act holier than thou, it | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
doesn't work. As far as the lawsuit, when I was very young, I went into | :04:56. | :05:02. | |
the real estate company in Brooklyn, Queens, and along with many | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
companies, a federal lawsuit, we were sued. We settled the suit with | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do. But they sued many | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
people. I notice you bring that up a lot. And the nasty commercials you | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
do, which I don't do. Maybe I am trying to save money. But frankly, I | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
look at that and I say, isn't that amazing? I settled that lawsuit with | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
no admission of guilt. But that was able suit brought against many real | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
estate firms, and it is just one of those many things -- lawsuit. In a | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
tough community, a brilliant and wealthy timidity, probably the | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
wealthiest in the world, I opened a club, and rarely get great credit | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
for it. No discrimination against African Americans, against Muslims, | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
against anybody. It is a tremendously successful club, and I | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
am so glad I did it. I have been given great credit for what I did, | :06:08. | :06:15. | |
and I am very proud of it. That is the way I feel. That is the true way | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
I feel. Our next segment is called securing America. We want to start | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
with a 21st-century war happening every how institutions under cyber | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
attack on our secret rings stolen. Who is behind it and how do we fight | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
it? -- secrets being stolen. I think cyber security and cyber warfare | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
president. Clearly, we are facing, at this point, two different kinds | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
of either serious. The independent hacking groups who do at Moseley for | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
commercial reasons, to steal information they can use to make | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
money -- at the serious. But we are seeing cyber attacks coming from | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
state, organs of state. The most recent and troubling of these has | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
been rational. There is no doubt now that Russia has used cyber attacks | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
against all kinds of organisations in our country, and I am deeply | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
concerned about this. I know Donald is very praiseworthy of Vladimir | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
Putin, but he is playing a tough long game here. One of the things he | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
has done is let loose cyber attackers to hack into government | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
files, to hack into personal files, into the Democratic National | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
committee, and we have recently learned that this is one of their | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
preferred methods of trying to rig cabinet and collect information. We | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
need to make it very clear whether it is China, Russia, Iran or anybody | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
else, the United States has much greater capacity -- wreak havoc. We | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
will not sit by and allow state actors to go after our information, | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
our private sector or public sector information. And we are going to | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
have to make it clear that we don't want to use the kinds of tools that | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
we have. We don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare. But we | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
will defend the citizens of this country, and the Russians need to | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
understand that. I think they have been treating it almost as a | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
probing. How far can we go? How much will we do? That is why I was so | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
shocked when Donald publicly invited Vladimir Putin to hack into | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
Americans. That is just unacceptable. That is why 50 | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
national security officials who served in Republican administrations | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
have said Donald is unfit to be commander in chief. It is comments | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
like that really worry people who understand the threats we face. Two | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
minutes on the same question. I was just endorsed by over 200 and roles | :09:09. | :09:18. | |
and generals -- admirals, to lead this country. That just happened. | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
Many more are coming. I am very proud of it. I was just endorsed by | :09:25. | :09:34. | |
ICE. I was just recently endorsed by 16,500 border patrol agents. When | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Secretary Clinton talks about this, I will take the admirals and the | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
generals any day over the political hacks I see that of lead our country | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
so greatly over the last ten years with their knowledge. Look at the | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
mess we are in. Look at the mess we are in. As far as cyber, I agreed to | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
part of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
else and perhaps we are not. I don't think anybody knows it was Russia | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
who broke into the DNC, and maybe it was. But it could also be China and | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
lots of other people. It could be somebody setting over there. You | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
don't know who broke in to the DNC. What did we learn? We learned that | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
Bernie Sanders was taking advantage -- taking advantage of by your | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
people. By Debbie Wiseman Schultz. But Bernie Sanders was taken | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
advantage of. Whether that was Russia or China or another country, | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
we don't know. The truth is, under President Obama, we have lost | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
control of things we used to have control of. We came in with the | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
Internet, we came up with the Internet, and I think Secretary | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
Clinton and myself would agree new look at what ISIS is doing with the | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
Internet, they are beating us at our own game. I suspect not we have to | :10:59. | :11:06. | |
get very tough on cyber warfare -- ISIS! . My son is ten years old and | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
is so good with computers is unbelievable. The security aspect of | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
cyber is very tough. And maybe, it is hardly doable, but I will say, we | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
are not doing the job we should be doing. That is true throughout our | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
whole governmental society. We have so many things we have to do better, | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
and cyber is one of them. There are a number of issues we should be | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
addressing. I have put forward a plan to defeat ISIS. It does involve | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
going after them online. I think we need to do much more with our tech | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
companies to prevent ISIS and their operatives from being able to use | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
the Internet and radicalise, even direct people in our country and | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
Europe and elsewhere. But we also have to intensify our air strikes | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
against ISIS. And eventually, support our Arab and Kurdish | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
partners to be able to actually take out ISIS in Raqqa and their claim of | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
being a caliphate. We are making progress. Our military is assisting | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
in Iraq. We are hoping that within the year, we will be able to push | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
ISIS out of Iraq, and then really squeeze them in Syria. But we have | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
to be cognisant of the fact that they have hired foreign fighters | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons. We | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
have to make this the top priority, and I would also do everything | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
possible to take out their leadership. I was involved in a | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
number of efforts to take out al-Qaeda leadership and I was | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
Secretary of State, including taking out a summer Bin Laden. We need to | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
go after a daddy as well. Make that one of our organising principles -- | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
Baghdadi. We have to do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
efforts online. We think of ices over there, but American citizens | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
have been inspired to commit acts of terror on American cell, the latest | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
incident in bombings in New York and New Jersey, a knife attack in a mall | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
in Minnesota, and deadly attacks in Orlando in San Bernardino. I will | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
ask you both. Tell us specifically how you will prevent homegrown | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
attacks American citizens? I have to say one thing first. Secretary | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
Clinton is talking about taking out ISIS. We will take out ISIS. | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
President Obama and Secretary Clinton created a vacuum the weight | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
they got out of Iraq. They got out when they should not have been in, | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
but once they got in, where they out was a disaster. And ISIS was fun. | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
She has been trying to take them out for a long time. -- was formed. But | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
they would not have even been formed if they left 10,000 or maybe more | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
troops behind. Then you would not have had that. As I have been saying | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
for a long time, and I said it you once, had we taken the oil, and we | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
should have taken the oil, ISIS would not have been able to form | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
either occurs the oil was their primary source of income. Now they | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
have oil all over the place, including a lot of oil in Libya, | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
which is another one of her disasters. I hope the fact checkers | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
are turning up the volume and working hard. Donald supported the | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
invasion of Iraq. Wrong. That has been proved over and over again. He | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
advocated for the actions taken in Libya and urged that Getafe be taken | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
out after doing business with him one time -- Getafe. He says this | :15:03. | :15:11. | |
constantly, that George W Bush maybe agreement about when American troops | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
would leave Iraq -- Gaddhafi. Not Barack Obama. The only way American | :15:15. | :15:21. | |
troops could have stayed in Iraq is to get an agreement from the then | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
Iraqi government that would have protected our troops, and the Iraqi | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
government would not give that. The question you asked, Lester, is | :15:28. | :15:38. | |
what we do here in the United States. That is the most important | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
part. How do we protect our people? How do we event attacks? We need an | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
intelligent search where we look for every scrap of information. I was so | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
proud of law enforcement in New York in Minnesota in New Jersey. They | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
responded so quickly and professionally to the attacks that | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
occurred. They brought the culprit down. We may find out more | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
information because he is still alive which may be proved to be a | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
benefit to intelligence. We need to do everything we can to vacuum up | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
intelligence from Europe and the Middle East. We need to work more | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
closely with our allies. That is something that Donald has been very | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
dismissive of. We're working with Nato, the longest military alliance | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
in history of the world, to really turn our attention to terrorism. We | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
are working with our friends in the Middle East, many of which, as you | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
know, a Muslim majority nations. Donald has consistently insulted | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
Muslims are broad, Muslims at home. When we need to be cool operating | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
with Muslim nations and with the American Muslim community. They are | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
on the front lines. They can provide information to us that we may not | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
get anywhere else. They need to have close work in cooperation with law | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
enforcement in these communities, not be alienate them pushed away as | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
some of Donald's retreat, unfortunately, has led to. May I | :17:09. | :17:18. | |
respond? The secretary said very strongly about working with... We | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
have been working with them for many years. We have the greatest mess | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
anyone has ever seen. Look at the Middle East, it is a total mess. | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
Under your direction, to a large extent, look at the Middle East. The | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
Orion deal, that is another beauty where a country that was ready to | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
fall, they were trekking on the sanctions and now they are going to | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
be actually a major power at some point pretty soon, the way they are | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
going. When you look at Nato, I was asked on a major show what I thought | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
of Nato. For I have common sense. I will will tell you. I have not given | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
a lot of thought to Nato. Early on, many of the nations involved are not | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
paying their fair share. They should at least be paying us, that bothers | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
me because we are defending them. Number two, I said in very strongly, | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
Nato could be obsolete because... And I was very strong about this and | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
was covered accurately in the New York Times which is unusual for the | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
New York Times, to be honest, I said they do not focus on Terror. I was | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
very strong. I said that numerous times and about what a month ago I | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
read on the front page of the Wall Street Journal that Nato was opening | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
up a major terror division and I think that is brilliant. I think we | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
should get, because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
Nato, a lot of money to protect other people, I am all for Nato but | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
I said they have to focus on terror as well. They are going to do that. | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
I am not going to get credit for it but that was largely because of what | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
I was saving and my criticism of Nato. I think we have to get Nato to | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
go into the Middle East with us in addition to surrounding nations and | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
we have to knock the hell out of Isis and we have to do it fast. When | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
Isis formed in this vacuum created by Barack Obama and Secretary | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
Clinton and, believe me, you were the ones who took out the troops. | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
Not only that, you name the day. They could not believe it. Lester... | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
Wait a minute. When they formed, this is something that never should | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
have happened. You are talking about taking out Isis but you were there | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
and you were Secretary of State when it was a little infant. Now it is in | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
over 30 countries. And you are going to stop them? I don't think so. A | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
lot of these are judgement questions. You supported the war in | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
Iraq before the invasion. I did not support the war in Iraq. That is a | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she, frankly, had the | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
best person in her campaign was mainstream media. Why is your... Why | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
is your judgement... I was against the war in Iraq. Why is your | :20:13. | :20:21. | |
judgement any... When I did an interview with how wouldst Owen, the | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
first time anybody asked me that, I said I don't know, maybe, who knows. | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
-- an interview with how would stone. I then spoke to Sean Hannah T | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
which everybody refuses to call him. I had numerous conversations with | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
him. He called me the other day. I spoke to him about it. He said you | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
were totally against the wall. Excuse me. That was before the war | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
started. Sean Hannity said very strongly to me and other people. He | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
is willing to say this but nobody will quote him. I am against the | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
war. He was in favour of the war. We used to have fights. I understand | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
that is... We should not have been there. Nobody calls Hannity. And | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
then they did alien article in a major magazine shortly after the war | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
started, I think in 2004, which had me totally against the war in Iraq. | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
One of your compatriots said whether was before or after, Trump was | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
deafening. When you read this article there is no doubt. And I | :21:32. | :21:39. | |
will ask the press, call up Hannity. Before the war started he and I used | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
to argue about it. I said it was terrible and stupid and would | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
destabilise the Middle East and that is exactly what it has done. I am | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
referencing what you said in 2002. Why is your judgement any different | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
to that of Mrs Clinton? I have much better judgement than she. I also | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
have a better temperament than she. She spent, let me tell you, she | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising... You | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
know, they get Madison Avenue into a room. I think my strongest asset may | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
be by far is my temper meant. I have a winning temperament. I know how to | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
win. She does not know how to win. HOLT: Secretary Clinton? The other | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
day, behind third blue screen, I do not know who you were talking to but | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
you were totally out of control. I said there is somebody with a | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
temperament that has a problem. Ooh OK. Let's talk about two important | :22:42. | :22:51. | |
issues that were briefly mentioned by Donald. First, Nato. Nato as a | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
military alliance has something called article five and it basically | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
says this call in an attack on wine is an attack on all. And the only | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
time it has ever been invoked after 9/11 when the 28 nations of Nato | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
said that they would go to Afghanistan with us to fight | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
terrorism. Something that they still are doing by our side. With respect | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
to run, when I became Secretary of State, Iran was weeks away from | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
having enough nuclear material to form a bomb. They had mastered the | :23:29. | :23:42. | |
nuclear. -- nuclear fuel cycle, they had stopped resources. We sanctioned | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
for them I voted for every sanction against them but it was not enough. | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
I spent 1.5 years putting together a coalition that included Russia and | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
China to impose the toughest sanctions on Iraq. And we drove them | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
to the negotiating table. My successor, John Kerry and president | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
Obama got a deal that put a lid on it run's nuclear programme. Without | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
firing a single shot. That is diplomacy. That is coalition | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
building. That is working with other nations. The other day I saw Donald | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
saying that there were some Iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
of Iran and they were taunting American sailors who were on a | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
nearby ship. He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors I would | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
blow them out of the water. And start another war. That is... That | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
would not start a war. That is not the right temperament to be | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
commander-in-chief. They were taunting us. The worst I have heard | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
Donald says about nuclear weapons. They have said repeatedly that he | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
did not care of other weapons got nuclear weapons. Japan, South Korea, | :24:59. | :25:14. | |
even Sony Africa. It has -- even Saudia Arabia. In fact he is | :25:15. | :25:23. | |
cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling, that | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
is the number-1 we face in the world. And it becomes particularly | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material. | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
A man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
near the nuclear codes as far as I think anyone with any sense about | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
this should be concerned. That is getting a little bit old, as far as | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
I am concerned. It is not accurate at all. I just want to give a lot of | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
things just to respond. I agree with her on one thing. The single | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
greatest problem the world has is nuclear armament and nuclear | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
weapons. Not global warming, like you think in Europe. And your | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
president of things. Nuclear is the single greatest threat. Just to go | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
down the list, we defend Japan, we defend Germany, South Korea, Saudi | :26:20. | :26:26. | |
Arabia, we defend countries. They do not pay us, but they should be | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
paying us because we are providing tremendous service and that is why | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
we are losing everything. Who makes these? We lose on everything. I said | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
that it is very possible that if they don't pay a fair share because | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
this is not 40 years ago where we could do what we do. We can not | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
defend the Japan, but he must selling of cars... We need to move | :26:52. | :27:00. | |
on. This is important. They need to help us out. They have to help us | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
out. As for is nuclear is concerned I agree that is the single greatest | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
threat that this country has. Which leads to my next question as we | :27:11. | :27:19. | |
enter our last segment. An nuclear weapons, Obama consider changing the | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
nation's long-standing policy on first use. Do you support the | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
current policy, Mr Trump? You have to make minutes. As Secretary | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Clinton was saying about nuclear with Russia, she was quite cavalier | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
about how she speaks about various countries. Russia has been | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
expanding. They have a much newer capability than we do. We have not | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
been updating from the new standpoint. I look the other night, | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
I was seeing B-52s old enough that your father or your grandfather | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
could be flying them. We are not keeping up with other countries. I | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
would like everybody to end it, just get rid of it but I would certainly | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
not to first-rate. I think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
is over. At the same time, we must be prepared. I can't take anything | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
of the table because you look at some of these countries, look at | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
North Korea. We are doing nothing there. China should solve that | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
problem for us. China should go into North Korea. China is totally | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
powerful as it relates to North Korea. And, by the way, another one | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
powerful is the worst deal I ever saw negotiator, you studied is the | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
Orion deal. Mac three is power to North Korea and when they made that | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
horrible deal with Iran they should have included the fact that they do | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
something with respect to North Korea. And they should have done | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
something with respect to Yemen and all of these other places. And when | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
asked Secretary Kerry why did you not do that? Why did you not at | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
other things into the deal, one of the great giveaways of all time, of | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
all time, including $400 million in cash. Nobody has ever seen before. | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
It turned out to be wrong. It was actually $1.7 billion in cash. | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
Obviously, I guess, for the hostages. It certainly looks that | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
way. So you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal? | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
This is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. The | :29:20. | :29:26. | |
deal with Iran will lead to nuclear problems. All they have to do is set | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
back ten years and they do not need to do much. I met with Netanyahu the | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
other day. He is not a happy camper. Secretary Clinton, you have to make | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
minutes. Let me start by saying that words matter. They really matter | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
when you are president. And I want to reassure our allies in Japan and | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
South Korea and elsewhere that we have mutual defence treaties and we | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
will honour them. It is essential that America's word be good. And so | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
I know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
the part of many leaders across the globe. I have spoken with a number | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
of them. But I want to come on behalf of myself and I think on | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
behalf of a majority of the American people, say that our word is good. | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
It is also important that we look at the entire global situation. There | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
is no doubt that we have other problems with Iran but personally I | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
would deal with the other problems having put that lid on their | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
programme, their nuclear programme. Donald never tells you what he would | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
do. Would he have started a war? Would he have bombed Iran. If he | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
will criticise a deal that has been very successful in giving us access | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
to a rainy and facilities that we never had before, then he should | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
tell us what his alternative would be. It is like his plan to defeat | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
Isis, he says it is a secret plan but the only secret is that he has | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
no plan. We need to be more precise in how we speak about these issues. | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
People around the world follow a presidential campaigns so closely, | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
trying to get hints about what we will do. Can they rely on us? Will | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
we lead the world with strength and with accordance to our values. That | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
is what I intend to do. I intend to be a leader of our country that | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
people can count on, both here at home and around the world. To make | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
decisions that will further peace and prosperity but also stand up to | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
bullies whether they are abroad or at home. We cannot let those who | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
would try to destabilise the world to interfere with American interests | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
and security. They cannot have any opportunities at all. | :32:00. | :32:07. | |
Hillary will tell you to go to the website and tell you all about how | :32:08. | :32:14. | |
to defeat ISIS which she could have defeated by never having gone in in | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
the first place. It is getting Mordt half to defeat them because they are | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
in more and more nations and it's a big problem. I want to help all of | :32:24. | :32:31. | |
our allies but we are losing billions and billions of dollars. We | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
cannot be the policemen of the world. We cannot protect countries | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
all over the world without them paying us what we need and she | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
doesn't say that because she has no business ability. We need heart, we | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
need a lot of things but you need some basic ability and sadly, she | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
doesn't have that. All of the things that she's talking about, could have | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
been taken care of in the last ten years while she had great power but | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
they weren't taken care of and if she ever wins this race, they won't | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
be taken care of. Secretary Clinton became the first woman nominated for | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
President and earlier this month, you said she doesn't have a | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
presidential look. What did you mean by that? She doesn't have the look, | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
she doesn't have the stamina. I said she doesn't have the stamina. And I | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
don't believe she does have the stamina. To be president of this | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
country, you need tremendous stamina. You asked me a question. | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
Did you ask me a question? You have to be able to negotiate our trade | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
deals. You have to be able to negotiate. That's right, with Japan, | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
with Saudi Arabia. Can you imagine us descending Saudi Arabia and with | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
all of the money that they have, we are defending them and they don't | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
pay us? They have so many different things you have to be able to do and | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. Lets let her response. | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiate a peace | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
deal, a ceasefire and release of dissidents and opening of new | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
opportunities and nations around the world or even spends 11 hours | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk | :34:21. | :34:32. | |
to me about stamina. APPLAUSE. And tell you, Hillary has experience but | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
it is bad experience. She has experience but I agree, it bad, bad | :34:36. | :34:42. | |
experience. Whether it is the macro will | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
Iran deal. I agree, she has experience but it is bad. This | :34:47. | :34:58. | |
country cannot afford to have another four years of that | :34:59. | :35:09. | |
experience. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING. He tried to shift from looks the | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
stamina but this is from a man who has called women pigs, dogs, sluts. | :35:15. | :35:23. | |
Someone who said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. One of | :35:24. | :35:34. | |
the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
hanging around those anti- called this woman Miss Piggy, then he | :35:41. | :35:48. | |
called her miss housekeeping because she was Latinos. She has become a US | :35:49. | :35:58. | |
citizen and you can bet she's going to vote this November. OK, good. Let | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
me tell you. Ten seconds. Hillary is hitting me with tremendous | :36:06. | :36:14. | |
commercials. Some of it is from Rosie O'Donnell. I said very tough | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
things to her and people will agree that she deserves it. But you know | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
what, I was going to say something extremely rough to Hillary, to her | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
family, and I said to myself, I can't do it. I just can't do it. | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
It's inappropriate, it's not nice. But she spent hundreds of million | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
dollars of negative ads on me, many of which are untrue and | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
misrepresentations and I will tell you this, it's not nice and I don't | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
deserve that but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. It | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
hundreds of millions of ads as the only gratifying thing is, I saw the | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
polls come in today and with all of that money... I am either winning or | :37:02. | :37:10. | |
tired. One of you will not win this election so my final question to | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
you, are you willing to set the outcome as the will of the voters | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
are Secretary Clinton? I support democracy. Sometimes you win, | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
sometimes lose. But I certainly will support the outcome of this election | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
and I know Donald Trump's trying to plan doubts about it but I hope the | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
people out there understand that this election is really up to you. | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
It's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
kind of country and future that you want so I sure hope that you will | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
get out and vote as though your future depended on it because I | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
think it does. Mr Trump, will you accept the outcome? I want to make | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
America great again. We are a nation that is seriously troubled. We are | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
losing jobs, people are pouring into our country. The other day, we were | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
deporting 800 people and perhaps they passed the wrong button, they | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
pressed the wrong button, or perhaps, worse than that, it was | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
corruption that these people that we were going to deport for good | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
reason, ended up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens. It was | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
800 and now it turns out it might be 1800 and they don't even know. I | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
want to make America great again. I'm going to be able to do it, I | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
don't believe Hillary will. The answer is, if she wins, I will | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
absolutely support it. That concludes our debate for this | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
evening. We covered a lot of ground. Not everything, I suspected we | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
wouldn't. The next debate is scheduled for October nine in St | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
Louis. October 19 at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas. The | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
conversation will continue. A reminder that the vice presidential | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
debate is scheduled for October four. Thank you to the university | :39:01. | :39:07. | |
for hosting us tonight. Good night, everyone. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING. | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
That was the first US presidential debate, 90 minutes long, Ed and did | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
a bit over time. It ended with Donald Trump saying that he would | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
support Hillary Clinton. An important issue as he has raised | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
questions about the legitimacy of the vote of whether it would be what | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
he thought a read election. It touched on the economy trade, taxes, | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
Islamic State national security, race relations in America and at the | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
end they are, you heard it, they touched on the issue of gender and | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
whether Hillary Clinton, "Looks like a president." I am joined by a North | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
American reporter. You and I were discussing this as we walked over to | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
this position from the press briefing room. Was there a clear | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
winner in this debate? Is very good -- clear that this was thought on | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
the very friendly for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump's foundation | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
and his support for the Iraq War, Obama's certificate. Those were all | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
issues that Donald Trump was on the offensive. When Donald Trump tried | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
to turn it, talk about Hillary's e-mails, she and said that she was | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
wrong and apologised and cut it short. In past times where Hillary | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
Clinton has gotten down and talked about these very legal defences | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
about how things were classified. She did not do that the night and so | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
I think it moved on talking more about Donald Trump's taxes. This was | :40:46. | :40:47. | |
a debate that was friendly for for Hillary Clinton. Is unforgiving | :40:48. | :40:59. | |
Hillary Clinton one. If you are talking about in a boxing ring and | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
asking who was on the defensive, yes, Hillary Clinton one. There was | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
no course of the debate where a chic landed a knockout blow. -- where she | :41:09. | :41:17. | |
landed. Did you feel there was a moment where it seems like Donald | :41:18. | :41:25. | |
Trump was not qualified? At the end, he seemed a bit off message and | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
rattled. You saw what he was trying to do. It was to paint Hillary | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
Clinton at someone who has been doing this time and time again | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
presented with these problems and wasn't going to come up with | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
solutions. You mentioned the 30 years, he pinned her as being in | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
office for 30 years which suggests she's been around for a long time | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
and not part of change. A couple of times, he also said, it's all just | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
words, it doesn't mean anything, it's what politicians do and say. I | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
think that will resonate with a lot of Americans who, polls show us, are | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
really fed up with the state of -- political life in America. It's | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
interesting to see that 40% of American public that support Donald | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
Trump, they probably didn't see anything that will change their | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
mind. They didn't support him because he is a policy guru. They | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
support him because he is the outsider, he is the change | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
candidate. The question is, whether people who are independent, the | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
people that might have been supporting Hillary Clinton after the | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
Democratic convention and then shifted away to third-party | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
candidates. I think Clinton's message was tailored to that. She | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
made some inroads. Eggs very much the joining us. -- banks. | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
We will be covering this on all of our website as well. I am joined in | :42:51. | :43:00. | |
Washington by Peter Fenton, a Democratic strategist and a | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
Republican strategist. Sometimes it's better to watch this on | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
television in a nice, quiet room. How did your Democratic candidate | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
do? I thought she did extremely well tonight. I do think there were any | :43:13. | :43:26. | |
problems, flubs, anything that is going to come back to haunt her. | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
Clearly she is very culpable in a 90 minute format. The problem with | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
Donald Trump is that he is not. He has real trouble stopping his train | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
of thought from going on, the end of the debate was kind of embarrassing | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
especially on foreign policy issues where she was a strong. His stamina, | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
look question at the end, I thought that was a total disaster the Donald | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
Trump. I am balanced. I think that this was a very, very strong | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
performance from her. She is the problem solver in this stage, it | :43:59. | :44:06. | |
seems. OK, Ron, what did you make of this performance? I thought that he | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
did well in the first 30 minutes and put Hillary Clinton on the offensive | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
in terms of trade. -- defensive. She was struggling to defend herself and | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
had to go through her husband's economic record which was quite some | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
time ago. I think Donald Trump also did a very good job of painting her | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
as a politician that has been around for a very long time. That she has | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
these plans and policies but they have already been tried and they | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
have failed. He did a good job painting that picture through the | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
course of the debate. I thought that she did not disqualify him as an | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
alternative for change in the selection at this point. Donald | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
Trump still is very much alive in this debate and that should be | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
concerning to the Clinton campaign because his momentum is still moving | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
in a direction where right now they are tired that he could be | :45:03. | :45:04. | |
surpassing her. OK. Both both of you said your | :45:05. | :45:15. | |
candidates did well. Only one of you can be racked. Stay with us. | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
Our North America editor, John Sopel, is in the debate Spin | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
This is where they send their surrogates to where the press are to | :45:21. | :45:28. | |
make the case that Canada to win. What has been happening? -- | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
candidate. It has been busy. We will swing the camera around to get a | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
picture of the people coming out under the banners to spend their | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
argument. We have had 1.5 hours of television. 100 million people | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
potentially were watching. Now it is up to the party acrobatics to shape | :45:50. | :45:57. | |
the reality people have seen to say why their person did better and the | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
other did worse. I think I agree with you. There was no one knockout | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
moment that will be played again and again. But I felt as as the debate | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
went on, Hillary Clinton seemed more comfortable and confident. She did | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
not overly disrupt Donald Trump, which I think was her tactic. Donald | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
Trump got more flustered and irritated as the debate went on and | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
progressed. And I thought she was under a lot of pressure over what we | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
have been talking about, the questions over the birther movement | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
and other issues as well, like Donald Trump and his tax returns, | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
where he found himself on the defensive. Now, of course, it is up | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
to the people here to shape the debate. The Democrats are coming | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
out, Hillary Clinton's senior people, looking pretty satisfied | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
with their night's work. Will he change the debate completely? That | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
is a very big question. I still think it will be continued | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
tightness. People expecting Donald Trump to fall flat on his face... | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
Well, he didn't do that. OK. Jon. One of the key bits of debate is not | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
what happens in the 90 minutes but the little moments of the debate | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
that get picked up and played constantly on cable television and | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
network television. That is what many people will see and will be | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
their takeaway from the of them. What moments will be replayed, do | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
you think? I thought Donald Trump was pretty effective over attacking | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
Hillary Clinton over disastrous trade deals that she had supported | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
and the fact she had been part of the political establishment for 30 | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
years and had not made changes that America needed. Was very good on | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
what was wrong with America and the Clinton was much better on | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
solutions. A good she was effective on questions about him releasing his | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
tax returns and the question over the birther movement. And actually, | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
at the end of the debate, when Donald Trump was questioning whether | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
Hillary Clinton had the stamina, I Ashley thought it was him, he looked | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
rather more tired. -- actually. OK. Done so pull. Thank you. And you | :48:17. | :48:27. | |
were convinced your candidate won. I will agree with Jon Sopel before the | :48:28. | :48:36. | |
first 20- 30 minutes, when it was on economic trade in particular, Donald | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
Trump knew his stuff and many people would agree that trade deals have | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
been unfair to American voters. Even on his tax policy at the beginning | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
he sounded like the businessman that he is. That is also something that | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
appeals to Americans. Do you agree? I don't. I was following the Twitter | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
from the press on this and they were giving the first half-hour to | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
Hillary Clinton. Part of it was that Donald Trump said trickle-down. We | :49:08. | :49:14. | |
have tried this before. Your plan would result in $5 trillion more to | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
the deficit. You would cost this country 3.5 million jobs if we go | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
with your plan. And I thought the comeback on that really made his | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
basic argument is very weak. And then she came back with her economic | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
plan, which I thought was strong. And I think what you will find is | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
when you look at the Twitter feeds for that and also the fact checking, | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
especially on the trade issue, I think you are going to find that at | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
first half-hour was actually pretty good. But you are correct, it was | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
supposed to be on his turf, his territory, his strong is the point | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
throughout the campaign, which is bashing trade deals. So, you know, I | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
felt he did not make nearly as much out of it as he could of and a felt | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
she was very prepared to counter it. That third party up on the debate | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
stage, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Mr and Ms is Twitter were | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
up there as well. Ron, I also felt towards the end of the debate, | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
whether it is the 90 minutes, the attention issue, somehow, almost the | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
real Donald Trump, an element of being thin-skinned, revealed itself, | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
especially in the last three minutes. I cannot believe that what | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
he was saying about the way Hillary Clinton looks and her stamina is | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
going to be something that wins votes among female voters. I would | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
have to say in response to Peter that I felt Donald Trump... You have | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
two minutes. LAUGHING. He was very strong because | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
he is a show man. He understands that millions of viewers only care | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
about the first 30-40 minutes of the debate. She was in quicksand and he | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
kept her on defence. I totally agree that towards the end of the debate | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
Donald Trump should not have set up a question unless he had a zinger to | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
go after her with. Because she came right back at him with very prepared | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
1-liners. Most of her 1-liners fell flat but I felt that one was rather | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
a good one. I think that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will have | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
to rethink that strategy. Me ask you about the birther movement section. | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
That struck me during the debate. How little time was spent on Hillary | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
Clinton's e-mail is. She managed to dispatch that quickly when that | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
could have been a week section four hurt in the debate. Weak section for | :51:48. | :52:00. | |
her. How do you think he handled the issue? I think Donald Trump could | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
have refocused the questions by getting off of the birther issue | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
fast and taking it right back on her with the e-mails. The same thing | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
happened when she was talking about her solution to cyber security. He | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
could have simply taken control of that part of the debate by asking | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
her, what argued talking about? You don't have any cyber security over | :52:23. | :52:31. | |
your own server. ISight he allowed her and the debate to spend too long | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
on that section. -- I felt. At the same time, I don't know how many | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
millions of Americans really care about that at the moment. They are | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
looking for candidates to talk about the solutions and problems of the | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
country. While that certainly was the focus, I am not sure how well or | :52:50. | :52:56. | |
poor rally that was spelt out. OK. One of the issues that faced Hillary | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
Clinton tonight was coming out and persuading people who feel she is | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
not trustworthy and that she has been around too long and that she | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
was a regular politician. That she is likeable. It was a personality | :53:10. | :53:16. | |
contest of sorts to her. If you talk to Democrats, that is one of the | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
reasons that they give for why the polls have been against the | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
recently. It didn't seem there was anything personal or personable | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
about the debate. No. There really wasn't that much. She talked about | :53:28. | :53:36. | |
her father's job as a middle-class tool kind of guy. But, you know, the | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
interesting thing to me was that she was very disciplined about not | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
rolling her eyes, not scowling, not appearing angry at all, even when | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
she was being attacked. A felt Donald Trump probably could learn | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
something from looking at this and saying, you know, I have to stop | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
interrupting so much and I better watch the rolling of the eyes and | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
stuff. It isn't presidential. It doesn't look good. And I felt in | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
this debate she was extraordinarily disciplined on that. So in a sense, | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
if folks are looking for someone who isn't petulant, they did not get | :54:19. | :54:26. | |
that from Donald Trump. Is that the case? With a lorry Clinton, I felt | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
she did not connect emotionally with Americans. I think Donald Trump's | :54:33. | :54:41. | |
goal here was, number one, talk about the problems of the country, | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
two, keep the Clinton on defence. He did for the start with her solution | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
is. I think he had moments where he had centres of you must be you know, | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
he did show some attention issue is by interrupting her. I thought that | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
was trying to get inside her head. He did not, however, this has in | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
Donald Trump all along, he has talked about personal stories of | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
people. He always goes wholesale, not retail. You does large rallies, | :55:12. | :55:18. | |
not diner talk and shaking hands. -- he does. People know that. It is | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
whether he is a safe, alternative change to, you know, The Democratic | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
Party that has run the White House for the past eight years. Some | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
people will still be asking themselves whether or not they are | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
ready to vote for him, but he still put up a fight with Hillary Clinton. | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
I think that is what is most significant tonight. OK. Very | :55:40. | :55:47. | |
briefly, Ron, first of all, how many undecided voters would have changed | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
their mind? Literally ten seconds. Very few would have changed their | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
minds. But those looking for change in an outsider, they will go for | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
Donald Trump, because they want something new, and they know Hillary | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
Clinton are quite OK. I don't think there will be huge change after this | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
debate. I think there is no question that people are now questioning what | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
kind of change is he talking about? Is he competent enough to handle it? | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
Dusty have the temperament? I have to jump in. Thank you, both of you. | :56:24. | :56:31. | |
Thank you so much for joining me to be this has been the first | :56:32. | :56:38. | |
presidential debate. I am Katty | :56:39. | :56:39. |