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Welcome to this BBC News special with me, Laura Trevelyan,

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in Washington, where we'll be taking a look at the highlights

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and analysing the fallout of the second TV presidential debate

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between Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump.

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It was at times an extremely fiery second presidential debate

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Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and her Republican rival

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Donald Trump spoke about the fight against the so-called

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Islamic State, Islamophobia and, of course, that lewd audio recording

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of Mr Trump that he dismissed as "locker-room talk".

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Well, that's where we will pick up the debate, as moderated

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by Martha Raddatz from ABC News and CNN's Anderson Cooper.

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We received a lot of questions online, Mr Trump, about the tape

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You called what you said "locker room banter."

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You described kissing women without consent,

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You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women.

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I don't think you understood what was said.

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I apologised to my family, I apologised to the American people.

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Certainly I'm not proud of it, but this is locker room talk.

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You know, when we have a world where you have Isis chopping off

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And frankly drowning people in steel cages.

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Where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over.

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Where you have so many bad things happening.

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Can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well

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against us, with Isis, and they look at our country

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Isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left

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because of bad judgment, and I will tell you -

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And you should get onto much more important things

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Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said

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on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss

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women without consent, or grope women without consent?

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Nobody has more respect for women that I do.

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So for the record, you're saying you never did that?

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Frankly, you hear these things I said.

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I was embarrassed by it but I have tremendous respect for women.

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And I will tell you that I'm going to make our country safe,

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we're going to have borders in our country which we don't have now.

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People are pouring into our country and they're coming

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in from the Middle East and other places.

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We're going to make America safe again.

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We're going to make America great again.

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But we are going to make America safe again.

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And we're going to make America wealthy again, because,

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if you don't do that, it sounds harsh to say,

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but we have to build up the wealth of our nation.

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Now other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth.

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Secretary Clinton, do you want to respond?

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Well, like everyone else, I've spent a lot of time thinking

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over the last 48 hours about what we heard and saw.

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You know, with prior Republican nominees for President,

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I disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles.

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But I never questioned their fitness to serve.

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I said starting back in June that he was not fit to be president

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And many Republicans and independents have

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What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald talking about women,

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what he thinks about women, what he does to women.

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And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is.

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But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it

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represents exactly who he is, because we've seen this

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We have seen him rate women on their appearance,

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We have seen him embarrass women on TV and on Twitter.

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We saw him after the first debate spent nearly a week denigrating

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a former Miss Universe in the harshest most personal terms.

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So, yes, this is who Donald Trump is.

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But it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises

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questions about his fitness to be our president.

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Because he has also targeted immigrants, African-Americans,

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Latinos, people with disabilities, POWs, Muslims and so many others.

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And the question for us, the question our country must answer

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That's why, to go back to your question, I want to send

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a message, we all should, to every boy and girl,

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and indeed to the entire world - that America already

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is great, but we are great because we are good.

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And we will respect one another, and we will work with one another,

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These are very important values to me, because this is the America

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that I know and love, and I can pledge to you tonight

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that this is the America that I will serve if I am so fortunate

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And we want to get to some questions from online.

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It's just words, folks, it's just words.

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Those words, I've been hearing them for many years.

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I heard them when they were running for the Senate in New York,

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where Hillary was going to bring back jobs

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I've heard them where Hillary is constantly talking

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about the inner cities of our country, which are

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a disaster, education-wise, job-wise, safety-wise.

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I'm going to help the African Americans, I'm going to help

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I am going to help with the inner cities.

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She has done a terrible job for the African-Americans.

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She wants their vote and she does nothing and then she comes

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We saw that first-hand, when she was United States senator.

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I want to get to audience questions and online questions.

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So she is allowed to do that but I am not allowed to respond?

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You're going to get to respond right now.

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This tape is generating intense interest.

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In just 48 hours it has become the single most talked

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about story of the entire 2016 election on Facebook.

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With millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network.

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As we said a moment ago, we do want to bring

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in questions from voters around the country via social media.

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Jeff, from Ohio, asks on Facebook- Trump says the campaign

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When you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a different man,

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or did that behaviour continue until just recently?

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I am a person who has great respect for people, for my family,

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for the people of this country, and certainly I'm not

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proud of it, but that was something that happened.

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If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse.

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His was, what he has done to women, there has never been anybody

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in the history of politics in this nation that's been

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So you can say any way you want to say it but Bill Clinton

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Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously,

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One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old,

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Her client, she represented, got him off, and she is seen

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laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped.

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Kathy Shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight.

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Absolutely I apologise for those words.

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But what President Clinton did, he was impeached,

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he lost his licence to practise law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine

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to one of the women, Paula Jones, who is

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And I will tell you that when Hillary brings up a point

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like that and she talks about words that I said 11 years ago,

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I think it's disgraceful and I think she should

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be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth.

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Secretary Clinton, you have two minutes.

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Well, first let me start by saying that so much of what he's

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But he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses.

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He gets to decide what he wants to talk about instead

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of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda,

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laying out the plans that we have, that we think can make a better life

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When I hear something like that, I am reminded of what my friend

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And, look, if this were just about one video, maybe

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what he's saying tonight would be understandable.

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But everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point

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about whether or not the man in the video or the man

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But he never apologises for anything to anyone.

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He never apologised to Mr and Mrs Khan, the Gold Star family

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whose son Captain Khan died in the line of duty in Iraq.

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And Donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion.

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He never apologised to the distinguished federal judge

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who was born in Indiana, but Donald said he couldn't be

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trusted to be a judge because his parents

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He never apologised to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked

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on national television and our children were watching.

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And he never apologised for the racist lie that

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President Obama was not born in the United States of America.

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He owes the president an apology, he owes our country an apology

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and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words.

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Well you owe the president an apology because, as you know very

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well, your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal, he's another real

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winner that you have, and he's the one that

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got this started, along with your campaign manager,

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and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was,

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You're the one who sent the pictures around your campaign,

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sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain garb.

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That was long before I was ever involved, so you actually

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I've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you.

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And I've gotten to see some of the most vicious

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commercials I've ever seen, of Michelle Obama talking about you,

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So you talk about friend, go back and take a look

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A race where you lost fair and square, unlike

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the Bernie Sanders race, where you won, but not fair

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And all you have to do is take a look at Wikileaks

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and just see what they said about Bernie Sanders and see

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what Deborah Wasserman Schultz had in mind because Bernie Sanders

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between superdelegates and Deborah Wasserman Schultz,

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And I was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil.

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But when you talk about apology, I think the one that you should

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really be apologising for and the thing you should be

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apologising for are the 33,000 e-mails that you deleted

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And then the two boxes of e-mails and other things last week that

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were taken from an office and are now missing.

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And I'll tell you what, I didn't think I'd say this but I am

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going to say it, and I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going

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to instruct my Attorney General to get a special prosecutor to look

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into your situation because there has never been so many lies,

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so much deception, there has never been anything like it.

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And we are going to have a special prosecutor.

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The people of this country are furious.

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In my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers

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There has never been anything like this where e-mails,

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and you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena,

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you delete 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them,

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or bleach them, as you would say, a very expensive process.

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So we are going to get a special prosecutor.

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And we are going to look into it because, you know what, people,

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their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth

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of what you have done and it's a disgrace.

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And, honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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Everything he just said is absolutely false,

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The audience needs to calm down here.

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I told people that it would be impossible to be fact checking

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I'd never get to talk about anything I want to do and how

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we are going to really make lives better for people.

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So, once again, go to Hillary Clinton.com.

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Last time, the first debate, we had millions of

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So I expect we'll have millions more fact checking, because, you know,

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it is just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump

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is not in charge of the law in our country.

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We want to remind the audience to please not talk out loud,

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And Secretary Clinton, I do want to follow up

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You said you're handling of the e-mails was a mistake.

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You disagreed with the FBI director calling your handling

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of classified information quote, extremely careless.

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The FBI said there were 110 classified e-mails that

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were exchanged, eight of which were top-secret.

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And that it was possible hostile actors did gain

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You don't call that extremely careless?

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Martha, first let me say, and I've said it before,

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but I'll repeat it because I want everyone to hear it.

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That was a mistake and I take responsibility for using

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Obviously, if I were to do it over again I would not.

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I think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading

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hacked the server I was using, and there is no evidence that anyone

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can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis,

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that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands.

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I take classified materials very seriously and always have.

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When I was on the Senate armed services committee,

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I was privy to a lot of classified material.

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Obviously as Secretary of State I had some of the most

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important secrets that we possess, such as going after Bin Laden.

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So I am very committed to taking classified information seriously.

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And as I said, there is no evidence that any classified information

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And yet she didn't know the word the letter

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She didn't even know what that letter meant.

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It's amazing, I'm watching Hillary go over facts.

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And she's going after fact after fact and she's lying again

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because she said what she did with e-mails was fine.

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Do you think it was fine to delete 33,000 e-mails?

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She said the 33,000 e-mails had to do with her daughter's wedding,

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Well maybe we will give three, or four, or five, or something.

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33,000 e-mails deleted and now she is saying

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And more importantly that was after getting a subpoena,

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She got it from the United States Congress.

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I'll be honest, I'm so disappointed in congressmen, including

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Republicans, for allowing this to happen, our Justice Department

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where her husband goes on to the back of an aeroplane

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for 39 minutes, talks to the Attorney General,

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days before a ruling is going to be made on her case.

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But for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting

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39,000 e-mails again, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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What you did, and this is after getting a subpoena

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This next question comes from the public through

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the bipartisan Open Debate Coalition's online forum,

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where Americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes.

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This question involves Wikileaks' release of purported excerpts

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of Secretary Clinton's paid speeches, which she has refused

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to release and one line in particular in which you Secretary

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Clinton purportedly say you need both a public and private

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So, To, from Virginia, asks, is it OK for politicians

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Is it acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues?

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As I recall that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln

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after having seen the wonderful Stephen Spielberg movie called

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It was a masterclass, watching President Lincoln get the Congress

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It was principled and it was strategic.

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And I was making the point that it is hard sometimes

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to get the Congress to do what you want to do and you have

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And yes, President Lincoln was trying to convince some people.

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He used some arguments convincing other people, he used

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That was a great, I thought, great display of presidential leadership.

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But, let's talk about what's really going on here, Martha,

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because our intelligence community just came out and said in the last

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few days that the Kremlin, meaning Putin and the Russian government,

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are directing the attacks, the hacking, on American accounts

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And Wikileaks are part of that as our other sites where

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We don't even know if it is accurate information.

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We have never in the history of our country been in a situation

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where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence

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And believe me, they are not doing it to get me elected.

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They are doing it to try to influence the election

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Now maybe because he has praised Putin, maybe because he has said

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he agrees with a lot of what Putin wants to do, maybe because he wants

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to do business in Moscow, I don't know the reason.

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But we deserve answers and we should demand that Donald release

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all of his tax returns so that people can see what

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are the entanglements and the financial relationships.

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And we aren't going to get to that later.

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Secretary Clinton, you are out of time.

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Her papers went out to all her friends at the banks,

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And she said things, Wikileaks, that just came out.

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Now she is blaming the lie on the late, great Abraham

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That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you.

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That is a big, big difference we're talking about.

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But, as far as other elements of what she was saying,

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I think it would be great if we get along with Russia because we could

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But I notice any time any thing wrong happens, they like to say...

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She doesn't know if it is the Russians doing the hacking.

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And the reason they blame Russia is they think they are trying

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I know about Russia, but I know nothing about the inner

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I have no businesses there, I have no loans from Russia.

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I have a great balance sheet, so great that when I did

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the old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue,

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the United States government, because of my balance sheet,

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which they actually know very well, chose me to do the old post office

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between the White House and Congress, chose me to do

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One of the primary things, perhaps the primary thing

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You could go to the United States government and they would probably

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tell you that because they know my sheet very well.

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I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes.

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Many of our friends took bigger deductions.

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Soros, a friend of hers, took a massive deduction.

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Many of the people that are giving her all this money

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that she can do many more commercials than me

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I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes,

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but as soon as my routine audit's finished I'll release my returns.

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We are going to turn to the topic of taxes.

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We have a question from Spencer Moss.

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Good evening, my question is - what specific tax provisions

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will you change to ensure the wealthiest Americans

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One thing I'd do is get rid of carried interest.

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One of the greatest provisions, for people like me,

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to be honest with you, I give up a lot when I run

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And she could have done this years ago.

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She complains that Donald Trump took advantage of the tax code.

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Why didn't you change it when you were a senator?

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The reason you didn't is that all your friends take the same

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You have provisions in the tax code that frankly we could change,

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but you wouldn't change it because all of these people give

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you the money so you can take negative ads on Donald Trump.

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And I say that about a lot of things.

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I've heard Hillary complaining about so many different things

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over the years but she's been there 30 years,

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She'll never change and she never will change.

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We're getting rid of carried interest provisions.

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I'm lowering taxes, actually, because I think it's

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so important for corporations because we have corporations,

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massive corporations and little ones, little ones can't form.

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We're getting rid of regulations that go hand in hand

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with the lowering of the taxes but we're bringing the tax rate down

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We're cutting taxes for the middle-class and I will tell

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you we are cutting them big league for the middle-class.

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Hillary Clinton is raising your taxes, folks.

:25:33.:25:33.

She's raising your taxes really high.

:25:34.:25:40.

And what that is going to do is a disaster for the country,

:25:41.:25:43.

but she is raising your taxes and I am lowering your taxes.

:25:44.:25:46.

If China has a GDP of 7%, it's like a national catastrophe.

:25:47.:26:00.

And we're going lower, in my opinion.

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And a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high.

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And I'm bringing them down to one of the lower in the world.

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One of the most important things we can do.

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But she is raising everybody's taxes massively.

:26:19.:26:21.

Senator Clinton you have two minutes.

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The question was, what specific tax provisions will you change to ensure

:26:24.:26:26.

the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share of taxes?

:26:27.:26:31.

Well everything you've heard just now from Donald is not true.

:26:32.:26:34.

I'm sorry I have to keep saying this but he lives

:26:35.:26:36.

And it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal

:26:37.:26:40.

income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he's

:26:41.:26:43.

going to do, but I'll tell you what he is going to do.

:26:44.:26:46.

His plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax

:26:47.:26:52.

More than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two.

:26:53.:26:58.

Donald always takes care of Donald and people like Donald and this

:26:59.:27:01.

Indeed, the way he talks about his tax cuts would

:27:02.:27:13.

end up raising taxes in middle-class families,

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I have said nobody who makes less than $250,000 a year,

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and that is the vast majority of Americans, as you know,

:27:25.:27:27.

Because I think we've got to go where the money is and the money

:27:28.:27:36.

is with people who take advantage of every single break

:27:37.:27:38.

When I was a Senator, I did vote to close

:27:39.:27:42.

I voted to close I think one of the loopholes he took advantage

:27:43.:27:46.

of when he claimed a $1 billion loss that enabled him to

:27:47.:27:49.

I want to have a tax on people who are making $1 million.

:27:50.:27:53.

Yes, Warren Buffett who has gone out and said somebody like him should

:27:54.:27:57.

not be paying a lower tax rate than his secretary.

:27:58.:28:00.

I want to have a surcharge on incomes above 5 million.

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We have to make up for lost times because I want to invest

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in you, I want to invest in hard-working families.

:28:11.:28:12.

And I think it's been unfortunate, but it's happened, that

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since the great recession, the gains have all gone to the top.

:28:15.:28:18.

People like Donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets,

:28:19.:28:24.

zero for our military, zero for health and education,

:28:25.:28:26.

And we're going to make sure that nobody, no

:28:27.:28:33.

corporation and no individual, can get away without

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Mr Trump, I want to give you the chance to respond.

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I just want to tell viewers what she is referring to.

:28:43.:28:45.

In the last month, taxes were the number one issue

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on Facebook for the first time in the campaign.

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The New York Times published three pages of your 1995 tax returns.

:28:50.:28:52.

They show you claimed a $916 million loss, which means you could have

:28:53.:28:55.

avoided paying personal federal income taxes for years.

:28:56.:28:57.

You've said you paid state taxes, employee taxes, real estate taxes,

:28:58.:29:00.

property taxes, you have not answered, though, a simple question.

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Did you use that $960 million loss to avoid paying personal

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And so do all of her donors, or most of her donors.

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Her donors took massive tax write-offs.

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A lot of my write-off was depreciation and other things

:29:19.:29:21.

The people who give her all this money, they want it.

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See, I understand the tax code better than anyone that's ever

:29:29.:29:32.

Hillary Clinton, and it's extremely complex, Hillary Clinton has friends

:29:33.:29:38.

that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried

:29:39.:29:40.

interest provision, which is very important to Wall Street people,

:29:41.:29:43.

but they really want carried interest provision,

:29:44.:29:47.

And very interesting why she is leaving carried interest,

:29:48.:29:53.

but I will tell you that number one I pay tremendous numbers of taxes.

:29:54.:29:56.

I absolutely used it and so did Warren Buffett and so did

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George Soros and so did many of the other people that

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Now, I won't mention their names because they are rich,

:30:02.:30:08.

but they are not famous, so we won't make them famous.

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Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal

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No, but I pay tax and I pay federal tax.

:30:17.:30:20.

A lot of it is depreciation, which is a wonderful charge,

:30:21.:30:23.

Hey, if she had a problem, for 30 years she has been doing this.

:30:24.:30:30.

Why didn't she do something about it?

:30:31.:30:34.

Why doesn't she do something about it?

:30:35.:30:37.

She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk.

:30:38.:30:40.

With her, it's all talk and no action.

:30:41.:30:45.

And again, Bernie Sanders, it's really bad judgment.

:30:46.:30:48.

She has made bad judgment, not only on taxes.

:30:49.:30:51.

She's made bad judgements on Libya, on Syria, on Iraq.

:30:52.:30:56.

I mean, her and Obama, whether you like it or not,

:30:57.:30:59.

the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they've left, that's why

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They started from that little area and now they're in 32

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I want you to be able to respond, Secretary Clinton.

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I've been in favour of getting rid of carried interest for years.

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Starting when I was a senator from New York.

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Because I was a senator with a Republican president.

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I will be the President who will get it done.

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If you were an effective senator, you could have done it.

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But you were not an effective senator.

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You know, under our Constitution, presidents have something

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Look, he has now said repeatedly, "30 years this and 30 years that".

:31:45.:31:54.

So, let me talk about my 30 years in public service.

:31:55.:31:57.

8 million kids, every year, have health insurance

:31:58.:32:03.

because when I was First Lady I worked with Democrats

:32:04.:32:06.

and Republicans to create the Children's Health

:32:07.:32:07.

Hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be

:32:08.:32:12.

adopted because I worked to change our adoption

:32:13.:32:15.

After 9/11, I went to work with Republican Mayor, Governor,

:32:16.:32:20.

and President to rebuild New York and to get health care for our first

:32:21.:32:24.

responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger

:32:25.:32:28.

Hundreds of thousands of National Guard and Reserve

:32:29.:32:32.

members have health care because of work that I did.

:32:33.:32:36.

And children have safer medicines because I was able to pass a law

:32:37.:32:39.

that required the dosing to be more carefully done.

:32:40.:32:45.

When I was Secretary of State, I went around the world,

:32:46.:32:49.

advocating for our country, but also advocating for women's rights,

:32:50.:32:53.

to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a better life.

:32:54.:32:59.

And negotiated a treaty with Russia to lower nuclear weapons.

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400 pieces of legislation have my name on it, as a sponsor,

:33:06.:33:09.

or co-sponsor, when I was a senator for eight years.

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I worked very hard and was very proud to be re-elected in New York

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by an even bigger margin than I had been elected the first time.

:33:17.:33:21.

And as president, I will take that work, that bipartisan work,

:33:22.:33:24.

that finding common ground, because you have to be able to get

:33:25.:33:27.

along with people to get things done in Washington.

:33:28.:33:32.

And for 30 years, I've produced results for people.

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She has said a lot of things that are false.

:33:37.:33:43.

I mean, I think we should be allowed to maybe dispute.

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She has been a disaster as a Senator.

:33:47.:33:49.

The heartbreaking video of a five-year-old Syrian boy,

:33:50.:33:53.

named Omran, sitting in an ambulance after being pulled from the rubble

:33:54.:33:57.

after an air strike in Aleppo focused the world's attention

:33:58.:34:00.

on the horrors on the war in Syria with 136 million views

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But there are much worse images coming out of Aleppo every day now

:34:04.:34:11.

where in the past four weeks alone, 400 people have been killed,

:34:12.:34:14.

Just days ago the State Department called for a war crimes

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investigation of the Syrian regime of Bashar Al Assad and its ally,

:34:24.:34:26.

Russia, for the bombardment of Aleppo.

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This next question comes from social media through Facebook.

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Diane from Pennsylvania asks - if you were president,

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what would you do about Syria and the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo?

:34:36.:34:41.

Isn't it a lot like the Holocaust when the US waited too

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Secretary Clinton, we will begin with your two minutes.

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The situation in Syria is catastrophic.

:34:50.:34:54.

And every day that goes by, we see the results of the regime,

:34:55.:34:59.

by Assad, in partnership with the Iranians on the ground,

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the Russians in the air, bombarding places, in particular

:35:04.:35:07.

Aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people,

:35:08.:35:11.

probably about 250,000 still left and there is a determined effort

:35:12.:35:15.

by the Russian air force to destroy Aleppo in order to eliminate

:35:16.:35:21.

the last of the Syrian rebels who are really holding out

:35:22.:35:27.

Russia hasn't paid any attention to Isis.

:35:28.:35:33.

They're interested in keeping Assad in power.

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So I, when I was Secretary of State, advocated, and I advocate today,

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We need some leverage with the Russians because they are not

:35:41.:35:46.

going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution

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unless there is some leverage over them.

:35:54.:35:57.

We have to work more closely with our partners

:35:58.:36:01.

But I want to emphasise that what is at stake

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here is the ambitous and aggressiveness of Russia.

:36:08.:36:12.

Russia has decided that it's all in in Syria.

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They have also decided who they want to see

:36:18.:36:19.

become President of the United States too.

:36:20.:36:21.

I think wherever we can cooperate with Russia, that's fine,

:36:22.:36:32.

That's how we got a treaty reducing nuclear weapons,

:36:33.:36:38.

it's how we got the sanctions on Iran that put a lid

:36:39.:36:41.

on the Iranian nuclear programme without firing a single shot.

:36:42.:36:44.

So I would go to the negotiating table with more leverage

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But I do support the effort to investigate for crimes,

:36:48.:36:52.

war crimes, committed by the Syrians and the Russians and try

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First of all, she is there as Secretary of State

:36:57.:37:01.

with the so-called line in the sand, which...

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No I wasn't, I was gone, I hate to interrupt you.

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At some point we need to do some fact-checking here.

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You were in total contact with the White House and perhaps

:37:11.:37:13.

sadly Obama probably still listened to you.

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I don't think he'll be listening very much any more.

:37:16.:37:18.

It was laughed at all over the world what happened.

:37:19.:37:24.

With that being said, she talks tough against Russia.

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But our nuclear programme has fallen way behind and they have gone wild

:37:29.:37:31.

Our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen.

:37:32.:37:39.

Russia is new in terms of nuclear, we are old, we are tired,

:37:40.:37:42.

we are exhausted in terms of nuclear.

:37:43.:37:46.

She talks really tough against Putin and against Assad.

:37:47.:37:54.

Every time we take rebels, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere

:37:55.:38:02.

else, we are arming people, and you know what happens?

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They end up being worse than the people.

:38:05.:38:07.

Look at what she did in Libya with Gadaffi.

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By the way Isis has a good chunk of their oil.

:38:11.:38:15.

I'm sure you probably have heard that.

:38:16.:38:16.

The fact is almost everything she has done in foreign policy has

:38:17.:38:21.

been a mistake and it's been a disaster.

:38:22.:38:24.

Just take a look at Russia and look at what they did this week

:38:25.:38:29.

where I agree she wasn't there but possibly she was consulted.

:38:30.:38:32.

What Russia did with Assad and, by the way with Iran,

:38:33.:38:39.

who you made very powerful with the dumbest deal, perhaps,

:38:40.:38:41.

I have ever seen in the history of deal making, the Iran

:38:42.:38:44.

deal with $150 billion, with the 1.7 billion in cash

:38:45.:38:48.

which is enough cash to fill up this room.

:38:49.:38:51.

Iran now, and Russia, are now against us.

:38:52.:38:56.

I don't like Assad at all but Assad is killing Isis.

:38:57.:39:16.

Those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy.

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Mr Trump, let me repeat the question.

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If you were President, what would you do about Syria and

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I want to remind you what your running mate said.

:39:30.:39:36.

He said provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength,

:39:37.:39:39.

and that if Russia continues to be involved in air strikes,

:39:40.:39:41.

along with the Syrian forces of Assad the United States

:39:42.:39:44.

of America should be prepared to use military force to strike

:39:45.:39:49.

the military targets of the Assad regime.

:39:50.:39:53.

He and I haven't spoken, and I disagree.

:39:54.:39:57.

We have people who want to fight both at the same time.

:39:58.:40:05.

Syria is Russia and it's Iran who she made strong and carry

:40:06.:40:09.

and Obama made into a very powerful nation and a very rich nation,

:40:10.:40:13.

We have to worry about Isis before we can get too much more involved.

:40:14.:40:26.

She had a chance to do something with Syria.

:40:27.:40:28.

What do you think will happen if Aleppo falls?

:40:29.:40:32.

I think Aleppo is a disaster humanitarian-wise.

:40:33.:40:34.

What do you think will happen if it falls?

:40:35.:40:37.

I think that it basically has fallen, OK.

:40:38.:40:39.

You look take a look at Mosul, the biggest problem

:40:40.:40:44.

I have with the stupidity of our foreign policy.

:40:45.:40:46.

They think a lot of the Isis leaders are in Mosul.

:40:47.:40:50.

We have announcements coming out of Washington and coming out of Iraq

:40:51.:40:53.

- we will be attacking Mosul in three weeks or four weeks.

:40:54.:40:57.

All of these bad leaders from Isis are leaving Mosul.

:40:58.:41:00.

Why can't they do the attack, make it a sneak attack,

:41:01.:41:06.

and after the attack is made, inform the American public

:41:07.:41:10.

that we have knocked out the leaders, we have had

:41:11.:41:12.

Why do they have to say we are going to be attacking Mosul

:41:13.:41:18.

within the next four to six weeks, which is what they're saying?

:41:19.:41:21.

There are sometimes reasons the military does that.

:41:22.:41:25.

It might be to help get civilians out.

:41:26.:41:32.

Look, I have 200 generals and admirals who endorse me,

:41:33.:41:35.

I have 21 congressional medal of honour recipients who endorse me.

:41:36.:41:40.

Why can't they do something secretly where they go in and they knock

:41:41.:41:47.

How - why would these people stay there?

:41:48.:41:52.

..For weeks about Mosul that it's the harbour,

:41:53.:41:58.

between Raqqa and Mosul, this is where they think

:41:59.:42:01.

Because everybody is talking about how Iraq, which is us,

:42:02.:42:11.

with our leadership, goes into to fight Mosul.

:42:12.:42:15.

With these 200 admirals and generals they can't believe it.

:42:16.:42:18.

All I say is General George Patton, General Douglas MacArthur

:42:19.:42:21.

are spinning in their grave at the stupidity of what we are doing

:42:22.:42:27.

I'm going to go to Secretary Clinton.

:42:28.:42:30.

Secretary Clinton, you want Assad to go, you advocated arming rebels.

:42:31.:42:33.

But it looks like that may be too late for Aleppo.

:42:34.:42:36.

Would you introduce the threat of US military force beyond a no-fly

:42:37.:42:44.

against the Assad regime to back up diplomacy?

:42:45.:42:51.

I would not use American ground forces in Syria.

:42:52.:42:55.

I think that would be a very serious mistake.

:42:56.:42:58.

I don't think American troops should be holding territory

:42:59.:43:04.

which is what they would have to do as an occupying force.

:43:05.:43:07.

I don't think that is a smart strategy.

:43:08.:43:10.

I do think the use of Special Forces which we are using, the use

:43:11.:43:14.

of enablers and trainers in Iraq, which has had some positive effects.

:43:15.:43:19.

You said that half of Donald Trump's supporters are deplorable,

:43:20.:43:22.

racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic,

:43:23.:43:25.

you later said you regretted saying half, you didn't express regret

:43:26.:43:29.

for using the term deplorables, to Mr Carter's question,

:43:30.:43:31.

how can you unite a country if you have written off tens

:43:32.:43:34.

Within hours I said I was sorry about the way I talked about that.

:43:35.:43:41.

Because my argument is not with his supporters,

:43:42.:43:44.

it's with him and with the hateful and divisive campaign that he has

:43:45.:43:47.

run, and the inciting of violence at his rallies and the very brutal

:43:48.:43:55.

kinds of comments about, not just women, but all Americans,

:43:56.:44:00.

What he has said about African Americans and Latinos,

:44:01.:44:06.

about Muslims, about POWs, about immigrants, about people

:44:07.:44:12.

with disabilities, he has never apologised for.

:44:13.:44:16.

So, I do think a lot of the tone and tenor he has set,

:44:17.:44:21.

I am proud of the campaign that Bernie Sanders and I ran.

:44:22.:44:24.

We ran a campaign based on issues, not insults.

:44:25.:44:26.

Because we talked about what we wanted to do.

:44:27.:44:32.

We might have had some differences and we had a lot of debates.

:44:33.:44:36.

But we believed that we could make the country better

:44:37.:44:40.

You look at Baltimore, you look at the violence

:44:41.:44:49.

that is taking place in the inner cities, Chicago.

:44:50.:44:52.

We have a increase in murder within our cities.

:44:53.:44:59.

We have a divided nation because people like her and believe me,

:45:00.:45:06.

she has tremendous hate in her heart, and when she said

:45:07.:45:09.

And when she said irredeemable you didn't mention that.

:45:10.:45:18.

But when she said they are irredeemable, to me that may have

:45:19.:45:21.

She said some of them are irredeemable.

:45:22.:45:25.

She has tremendous hatred and this country cannot take another four

:45:26.:45:27.

years of Barack Obama, and that's what you

:45:28.:45:29.

My question to both of you is, regardless of the current rhetoric,

:45:30.:45:47.

would either of you name one positive thing that you respect

:45:48.:45:49.

APPLAUSE Mr Trump, would you like to go first?

:45:50.:46:06.

I certainly will because I think that's a very fair

:46:07.:46:10.

His children are incredibly able and devoted and I think that says

:46:11.:46:18.

I don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does

:46:19.:46:26.

I think that is something that as a mother and a grandmother

:46:27.:46:31.

So, I believe that this election has become in part so -

:46:32.:46:41.

so conflict oriented, so intense because there is a lot at stake.

:46:42.:46:49.

We are going to be choosing a president who will set policy

:46:50.:46:59.

for not just four or eight years but because of some of the important

:47:00.:47:08.

decisions we have to make at home and around the world,

:47:09.:47:11.

from the Supreme Court to energy and so much else,

:47:12.:47:13.

It is one of the most consequential elections that we've had.

:47:14.:47:20.

That's why I have tried to put forward specific policies and plans,

:47:21.:47:23.

trying to get it off the personal and put it

:47:24.:47:26.

on to what it is I want to do as President.

:47:27.:47:28.

That's why I hope people will check on that for themselves.

:47:29.:47:31.

So that they can see that, yes, I've spent 30 years actually maybe

:47:32.:47:36.

a little more, working to help kids and families

:47:37.:47:39.

and I want to take all that experience to the White

:47:40.:47:42.

House and do that every single day.

:47:43.:47:45.

Well, I consider her statement about my children to be

:47:46.:47:49.

I don't know if it was meant to be a compliment - but it is.

:47:50.:47:56.

They have done a wonderful job and they have been

:47:57.:48:00.

I disagree with much of what she is fighting for.

:48:01.:48:20.

I do disagree with her judgement in many cases.

:48:21.:48:23.

But she does fight hard and she doesn't quit

:48:24.:48:28.

I consider that to be a very good trait.

:48:29.:48:32.

I want to thank the university here, this concludes the town

:48:33.:48:38.

hall meeting our thanks to the candidates, the Commission,

:48:39.:48:40.

Washington University and to everybody who watched.

:48:41.:48:42.

Please tune in on October 19th for the final presidential debate

:48:43.:48:45.

which will take place at the University

:48:46.:48:46.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in that tense and sometimes extremely

:48:47.:49:15.

feisty second televised presidential debate.

:49:16.:49:21.

For reaction to that debate, I'm joined here

:49:22.:49:23.

in Washington by Peter Fenn - a Democratic strategist who worked

:49:24.:49:25.

on presidential campaigns for Al Gore and John Kerry.

:49:26.:49:27.

And the Republican strategist and former special sssistant

:49:28.:49:29.

Donald Trump's campaign was in freefall going into that debate, he

:49:30.:49:37.

needed to stabilise it and stop the bleeding. Already we have a verdict

:49:38.:49:42.

because the speaker of the house Paul Ryan has said he will not

:49:43.:49:47.

defend or campaign for Donald Trump. Did Mr Trump fail? I don't think he

:49:48.:49:52.

failed. For all the political debates I've seen, for all the

:49:53.:49:55.

political candidates I've watched, I did think we'd ever seen anything

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like this. Heading into the debate last night, Donald Trump had to

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prove he was prepared. He had to prove he could be president, that he

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had the intellect. I think he largely scored a lot of important

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debate points in his fracas with the former Secretary of State. Mr Ryan's

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announcement was significant. A lot of Republicans in the House of

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Representatives are very concerned that Donald Trump will hurt the down

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ticket. I think Paul Ryan gave a lot of cover today for a lots of

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Republicans to distance themselves from Mr Trump in order to save their

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own re-election prospects. This Hillary Clinton we saw in this

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debate, she wasn't calm, collected and confident as she was in the

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first debate. Donald Trump was much more collected. Why was it not such

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a great night for her? I think she did fine. I think being confronted

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with Bill Clinton's past and the front row of some of the women

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accusers, it's going to unnerve anybody. Even someone who has been

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in politics as long as she has. She so comfortable on policy, she is so

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comfortable on her plans and what she's trying to do for the country.

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Should love to talk about that. She's less confident in this back

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and forth. Trump is a little more comfortable to be honest. At the end

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of the day if you look at some of these polls, in the first debate 62%

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thought she had won the debate. 57% thought she'd won this debate. It

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depends which Paul you look at. Frank Luntz's polls were saying the

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attacks on Donald Trump on her e-mails and the idea of a special

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prosecutor, that was going down well with undecided voters. One of the

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things you will see and we'll find out in the next several days is what

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is happening in those undecided voters. My guess is that the

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aftermath with people being afraid to support Trump will have a greater

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effect than the debate. Ron, did Donald Trump do enough last night?

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Did he do anything to reach out to those moderate women who live in the

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suburbs of Philadelphia and that key swing state of Pennsylvania who are

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concerned about that tape? Or was he just really there to make sure that

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the base turns out? I think he did both. For a good bit of the debate

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he was more tempered than we have seen. He seemed more in control of

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his facts and what he wanted to say and what he wanted to convey. At the

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same time, I think what Peter said is right. He did use those attacks

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and he did talk about the e-mail to get those folks who really are going

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to go out and vote for him to go out and get their friends to vote for

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him as well. I think the third debate is going to be so critical of

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what we are going to see from Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,

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and what is going to happen in the next two weeks as they go on the

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campaign trail. Is there really anybody in the electorate who has

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truly not decided? That is the question. What does Hillary Clinton

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have to do in the next debate in Nevada? What she really needs to do

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is make it very clear again that he is not fit to be president of the

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United States. But he goes low and she is going to go high. I think

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that's where she should take it. The other thing I think is very

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important is, and I think we advise our clients to do the same thing,

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turn off the sound on these and just watch the movement on this. If I

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were coaching Donald Trump and say, for crying out loud, don't show all

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these facial expressions. Don't move around the stage like a panther.

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Hillary Clinton was looking pained. She covers her pain with that smile.

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I think that she is... I think this is a tough situation for him. There

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really is body language and women and men are reading it and they

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don't like it. Donald Trump has been accused of looking somewhat

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predatory on the stage, of getting a bit too much in the eye line behind

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Hillary Clinton. The question I have is, is his strategy doubling down

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and hoping for historic turnout among non-college-educated white

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voters? Is that the path for him to the White House? It seems like it to

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me. There's no question he is not going to do nearly as well amongst

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African Americans, amongst Latinos voters. The question is since

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politics is addition, how can he add enough votes to his coalition that

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will allow him to get those 270 electoral college votes. It's going

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to be an educated white men at the top of the ticket for him and the

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question is what other coalitions can he moved to his side of the

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ledger? There is a poll out today showing that Hillary Clinton is up

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but this election has been so volatile. She went from a 9-point

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lead in August to a virtual tie, you must be worried. I've been worried

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for a year and a half! This has been so unpredictable. Anything could

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happen in the next couple of weeks, anything did happen in the last 72

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hours. You just don't know. We are going to see WikiLeaks and all kinds

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of stuff. We do not know, exactly. Thank you so much. Thank you for

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joining us for this special report here on BBC news about that second

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