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Welcome to this BBC News special with me, Laura Trevelyan, | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
in Washington, where we'll be taking a look at the highlights | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
and analysing the fallout of the second TV presidential debate | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
between Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump. | :00:13. | :00:32. | |
It was at times an extremely fiery second presidential debate | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and her Republican rival | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
Donald Trump spoke about the fight against the so-called | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
Islamic State, Islamophobia and, of course, that lewd audio recording | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
of Mr Trump that he dismissed as "locker-room talk". | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
Well, that's where we will pick up the debate, as moderated | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
by Martha Raddatz from ABC News and CNN's Anderson Cooper. | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
We received a lot of questions online, Mr Trump, about the tape | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
You called what you said "locker room banter." | :01:02. | :01:10. | |
You described kissing women without consent, | :01:11. | :01:11. | |
You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
I don't think you understood what was said. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
I apologised to my family, I apologised to the American people. | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
Certainly I'm not proud of it, but this is locker room talk. | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
You know, when we have a world where you have Isis chopping off | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
And frankly drowning people in steel cages. | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over. | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
Where you have so many bad things happening. | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
Can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well | :01:42. | :01:51. | |
against us, with Isis, and they look at our country | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
Isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left | :01:57. | :02:14. | |
because of bad judgment, and I will tell you - | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
And you should get onto much more important things | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
women without consent, or grope women without consent? | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Nobody has more respect for women that I do. | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
So for the record, you're saying you never did that? | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
Frankly, you hear these things I said. | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
I was embarrassed by it but I have tremendous respect for women. | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
And I will tell you that I'm going to make our country safe, | :02:45. | :02:52. | |
we're going to have borders in our country which we don't have now. | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
People are pouring into our country and they're coming | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
in from the Middle East and other places. | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
We're going to make America safe again. | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
We're going to make America great again. | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
But we are going to make America safe again. | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
And we're going to make America wealthy again, because, | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
if you don't do that, it sounds harsh to say, | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
but we have to build up the wealth of our nation. | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
Now other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth. | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Secretary Clinton, do you want to respond? | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
Well, like everyone else, I've spent a lot of time thinking | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
over the last 48 hours about what we heard and saw. | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
You know, with prior Republican nominees for President, | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
I disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles. | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
But I never questioned their fitness to serve. | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
I said starting back in June that he was not fit to be president | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
And many Republicans and independents have | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald talking about women, | :03:57. | :04:07. | |
what he thinks about women, what he does to women. | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is. | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
represents exactly who he is, because we've seen this | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
We have seen him rate women on their appearance, | :04:25. | :04:35. | |
We have seen him embarrass women on TV and on Twitter. | :04:36. | :04:44. | |
We saw him after the first debate spent nearly a week denigrating | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
a former Miss Universe in the harshest most personal terms. | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
So, yes, this is who Donald Trump is. | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
But it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
questions about his fitness to be our president. | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
Because he has also targeted immigrants, African-Americans, | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
Latinos, people with disabilities, POWs, Muslims and so many others. | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
And the question for us, the question our country must answer | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
That's why, to go back to your question, I want to send | :05:26. | :05:38. | |
a message, we all should, to every boy and girl, | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
and indeed to the entire world - that America already | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
is great, but we are great because we are good. | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
And we will respect one another, and we will work with one another, | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
These are very important values to me, because this is the America | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
that I know and love, and I can pledge to you tonight | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
that this is the America that I will serve if I am so fortunate | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
And we want to get to some questions from online. | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
It's just words, folks, it's just words. | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
Those words, I've been hearing them for many years. | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
I heard them when they were running for the Senate in New York, | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
where Hillary was going to bring back jobs | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
I've heard them where Hillary is constantly talking | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
about the inner cities of our country, which are | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
a disaster, education-wise, job-wise, safety-wise. | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
I'm going to help the African Americans, I'm going to help | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
I am going to help with the inner cities. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
She has done a terrible job for the African-Americans. | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
She wants their vote and she does nothing and then she comes | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
We saw that first-hand, when she was United States senator. | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
I want to get to audience questions and online questions. | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
So she is allowed to do that but I am not allowed to respond? | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
You're going to get to respond right now. | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
This tape is generating intense interest. | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
In just 48 hours it has become the single most talked | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
about story of the entire 2016 election on Facebook. | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
With millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network. | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
As we said a moment ago, we do want to bring | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
in questions from voters around the country via social media. | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
Jeff, from Ohio, asks on Facebook- Trump says the campaign | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
When you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a different man, | :07:44. | :07:53. | |
or did that behaviour continue until just recently? | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
I am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, | :07:58. | :08:09. | |
for the people of this country, and certainly I'm not | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
proud of it, but that was something that happened. | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
His was, what he has done to women, there has never been anybody | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
in the history of politics in this nation that's been | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
So you can say any way you want to say it but Bill Clinton | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously, | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
Her client, she represented, got him off, and she is seen | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
Kathy Shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
Absolutely I apologise for those words. | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
But what President Clinton did, he was impeached, | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
he lost his licence to practise law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
to one of the women, Paula Jones, who is | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
And I will tell you that when Hillary brings up a point | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
like that and she talks about words that I said 11 years ago, | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
I think it's disgraceful and I think she should | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth. | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
Secretary Clinton, you have two minutes. | :09:42. | :09:49. | |
Well, first let me start by saying that so much of what he's | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
But he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
He gets to decide what he wants to talk about instead | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
laying out the plans that we have, that we think can make a better life | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
When I hear something like that, I am reminded of what my friend | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
And, look, if this were just about one video, maybe | :10:18. | :10:33. | |
what he's saying tonight would be understandable. | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
But everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
about whether or not the man in the video or the man | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
But he never apologises for anything to anyone. | :10:46. | :10:53. | |
He never apologised to Mr and Mrs Khan, the Gold Star family | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
whose son Captain Khan died in the line of duty in Iraq. | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
And Donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
He never apologised to the distinguished federal judge | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
who was born in Indiana, but Donald said he couldn't be | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
trusted to be a judge because his parents | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
He never apologised to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
on national television and our children were watching. | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
And he never apologised for the racist lie that | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
President Obama was not born in the United States of America. | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
He owes the president an apology, he owes our country an apology | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. | :11:47. | :11:56. | |
Well you owe the president an apology because, as you know very | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
well, your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal, he's another real | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
winner that you have, and he's the one that | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
got this started, along with your campaign manager, | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was, | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
You're the one who sent the pictures around your campaign, | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain garb. | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
That was long before I was ever involved, so you actually | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
I've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. | :12:23. | :12:31. | |
And I've gotten to see some of the most vicious | :12:32. | :12:33. | |
commercials I've ever seen, of Michelle Obama talking about you, | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
So you talk about friend, go back and take a look | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
A race where you lost fair and square, unlike | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
the Bernie Sanders race, where you won, but not fair | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
And all you have to do is take a look at Wikileaks | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
and just see what they said about Bernie Sanders and see | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
what Deborah Wasserman Schultz had in mind because Bernie Sanders | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
between superdelegates and Deborah Wasserman Schultz, | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
And I was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
But when you talk about apology, I think the one that you should | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
really be apologising for and the thing you should be | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
apologising for are the 33,000 e-mails that you deleted | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
And then the two boxes of e-mails and other things last week that | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
were taken from an office and are now missing. | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
And I'll tell you what, I didn't think I'd say this but I am | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
going to say it, and I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
to instruct my Attorney General to get a special prosecutor to look | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
into your situation because there has never been so many lies, | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
so much deception, there has never been anything like it. | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
And we are going to have a special prosecutor. | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
The people of this country are furious. | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
In my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
There has never been anything like this where e-mails, | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
and you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
you delete 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them, | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
or bleach them, as you would say, a very expensive process. | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
So we are going to get a special prosecutor. | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
And we are going to look into it because, you know what, people, | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
of what you have done and it's a disgrace. | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
And, honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
Everything he just said is absolutely false, | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
The audience needs to calm down here. | :14:41. | :14:49. | |
I told people that it would be impossible to be fact checking | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
I'd never get to talk about anything I want to do and how | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
we are going to really make lives better for people. | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
So, once again, go to Hillary Clinton.com. | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
Last time, the first debate, we had millions of | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
So I expect we'll have millions more fact checking, because, you know, | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
it is just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
is not in charge of the law in our country. | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
We want to remind the audience to please not talk out loud, | :15:25. | :15:35. | |
And Secretary Clinton, I do want to follow up | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
You said you're handling of the e-mails was a mistake. | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
You disagreed with the FBI director calling your handling | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
of classified information quote, extremely careless. | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
The FBI said there were 110 classified e-mails that | :15:55. | :15:56. | |
were exchanged, eight of which were top-secret. | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
And that it was possible hostile actors did gain | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
You don't call that extremely careless? | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
Martha, first let me say, and I've said it before, | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
but I'll repeat it because I want everyone to hear it. | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
That was a mistake and I take responsibility for using | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
Obviously, if I were to do it over again I would not. | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
I think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading | :16:21. | :16:32. | |
hacked the server I was using, and there is no evidence that anyone | :16:33. | :16:47. | |
can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
I take classified materials very seriously and always have. | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
When I was on the Senate armed services committee, | :17:03. | :17:04. | |
I was privy to a lot of classified material. | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
Obviously as Secretary of State I had some of the most | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
important secrets that we possess, such as going after Bin Laden. | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
So I am very committed to taking classified information seriously. | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
And as I said, there is no evidence that any classified information | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
And yet she didn't know the word the letter | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
She didn't even know what that letter meant. | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
It's amazing, I'm watching Hillary go over facts. | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
And she's going after fact after fact and she's lying again | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
because she said what she did with e-mails was fine. | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
Do you think it was fine to delete 33,000 e-mails? | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
She said the 33,000 e-mails had to do with her daughter's wedding, | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
Well maybe we will give three, or four, or five, or something. | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
33,000 e-mails deleted and now she is saying | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
And more importantly that was after getting a subpoena, | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
She got it from the United States Congress. | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
I'll be honest, I'm so disappointed in congressmen, including | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
Republicans, for allowing this to happen, our Justice Department | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
where her husband goes on to the back of an aeroplane | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
for 39 minutes, talks to the Attorney General, | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
days before a ruling is going to be made on her case. | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
But for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
39,000 e-mails again, you should be ashamed of yourself. | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
What you did, and this is after getting a subpoena | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
This next question comes from the public through | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
the bipartisan Open Debate Coalition's online forum, | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
where Americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
This question involves Wikileaks' release of purported excerpts | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
of Secretary Clinton's paid speeches, which she has refused | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
to release and one line in particular in which you Secretary | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
Clinton purportedly say you need both a public and private | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
So, To, from Virginia, asks, is it OK for politicians | :19:12. | :19:25. | |
Is it acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues? | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
As I recall that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln | :19:30. | :19:37. | |
after having seen the wonderful Stephen Spielberg movie called | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
It was a masterclass, watching President Lincoln get the Congress | :19:42. | :19:51. | |
It was principled and it was strategic. | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
And I was making the point that it is hard sometimes | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
to get the Congress to do what you want to do and you have | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
And yes, President Lincoln was trying to convince some people. | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
He used some arguments convincing other people, he used | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
That was a great, I thought, great display of presidential leadership. | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
But, let's talk about what's really going on here, Martha, | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
because our intelligence community just came out and said in the last | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
few days that the Kremlin, meaning Putin and the Russian government, | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
are directing the attacks, the hacking, on American accounts | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
And Wikileaks are part of that as our other sites where | :20:41. | :20:50. | |
We don't even know if it is accurate information. | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
We have never in the history of our country been in a situation | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
And believe me, they are not doing it to get me elected. | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
They are doing it to try to influence the election | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
Now maybe because he has praised Putin, maybe because he has said | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
he agrees with a lot of what Putin wants to do, maybe because he wants | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
to do business in Moscow, I don't know the reason. | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
But we deserve answers and we should demand that Donald release | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
all of his tax returns so that people can see what | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
are the entanglements and the financial relationships. | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
And we aren't going to get to that later. | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
Secretary Clinton, you are out of time. | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
Her papers went out to all her friends at the banks, | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
And she said things, Wikileaks, that just came out. | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
Now she is blaming the lie on the late, great Abraham | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. | :22:02. | :22:11. | |
That is a big, big difference we're talking about. | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
But, as far as other elements of what she was saying, | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
I think it would be great if we get along with Russia because we could | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
But I notice any time any thing wrong happens, they like to say... | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
She doesn't know if it is the Russians doing the hacking. | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
And the reason they blame Russia is they think they are trying | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
I know about Russia, but I know nothing about the inner | :22:41. | :22:51. | |
I have no businesses there, I have no loans from Russia. | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
I have a great balance sheet, so great that when I did | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
the old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue, | :22:59. | :22:59. | |
the United States government, because of my balance sheet, | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
which they actually know very well, chose me to do the old post office | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
between the White House and Congress, chose me to do | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
One of the primary things, perhaps the primary thing | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
You could go to the United States government and they would probably | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
tell you that because they know my sheet very well. | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
Many of our friends took bigger deductions. | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
Soros, a friend of hers, took a massive deduction. | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
Many of the people that are giving her all this money | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
that she can do many more commercials than me | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes, | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
but as soon as my routine audit's finished I'll release my returns. | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
We are going to turn to the topic of taxes. | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
We have a question from Spencer Moss. | :24:01. | :24:01. | |
Good evening, my question is - what specific tax provisions | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
will you change to ensure the wealthiest Americans | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
One thing I'd do is get rid of carried interest. | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
One of the greatest provisions, for people like me, | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
to be honest with you, I give up a lot when I run | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
And she could have done this years ago. | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
She complains that Donald Trump took advantage of the tax code. | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
Why didn't you change it when you were a senator? | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
The reason you didn't is that all your friends take the same | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
You have provisions in the tax code that frankly we could change, | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
but you wouldn't change it because all of these people give | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
you the money so you can take negative ads on Donald Trump. | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
And I say that about a lot of things. | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
I've heard Hillary complaining about so many different things | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
over the years but she's been there 30 years, | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
She'll never change and she never will change. | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
We're getting rid of carried interest provisions. | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
I'm lowering taxes, actually, because I think it's | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
so important for corporations because we have corporations, | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
massive corporations and little ones, little ones can't form. | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
We're getting rid of regulations that go hand in hand | :25:19. | :25:20. | |
with the lowering of the taxes but we're bringing the tax rate down | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
We're cutting taxes for the middle-class and I will tell | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
you we are cutting them big league for the middle-class. | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
Hillary Clinton is raising your taxes, folks. | :25:33. | :25:33. | |
She's raising your taxes really high. | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
And what that is going to do is a disaster for the country, | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
but she is raising your taxes and I am lowering your taxes. | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
If China has a GDP of 7%, it's like a national catastrophe. | :25:47. | :26:00. | |
And we're going lower, in my opinion. | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
And a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
And I'm bringing them down to one of the lower in the world. | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
One of the most important things we can do. | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
But she is raising everybody's taxes massively. | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
Senator Clinton you have two minutes. | :26:22. | :26:23. | |
The question was, what specific tax provisions will you change to ensure | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share of taxes? | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
Well everything you've heard just now from Donald is not true. | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
I'm sorry I have to keep saying this but he lives | :26:35. | :26:36. | |
And it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he's | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
going to do, but I'll tell you what he is going to do. | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
His plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
More than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
Donald always takes care of Donald and people like Donald and this | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
Indeed, the way he talks about his tax cuts would | :27:02. | :27:13. | |
end up raising taxes in middle-class families, | :27:14. | :27:15. | |
I have said nobody who makes less than $250,000 a year, | :27:16. | :27:24. | |
and that is the vast majority of Americans, as you know, | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
Because I think we've got to go where the money is and the money | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
is with people who take advantage of every single break | :27:37. | :27:38. | |
When I was a Senator, I did vote to close | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
I voted to close I think one of the loopholes he took advantage | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
of when he claimed a $1 billion loss that enabled him to | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
I want to have a tax on people who are making $1 million. | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
Yes, Warren Buffett who has gone out and said somebody like him should | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
not be paying a lower tax rate than his secretary. | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
I want to have a surcharge on incomes above 5 million. | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
We have to make up for lost times because I want to invest | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
in you, I want to invest in hard-working families. | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
And I think it's been unfortunate, but it's happened, that | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
since the great recession, the gains have all gone to the top. | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
People like Donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
zero for our military, zero for health and education, | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
And we're going to make sure that nobody, no | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
corporation and no individual, can get away without | :28:34. | :28:35. | |
Mr Trump, I want to give you the chance to respond. | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
I just want to tell viewers what she is referring to. | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
In the last month, taxes were the number one issue | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
on Facebook for the first time in the campaign. | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
The New York Times published three pages of your 1995 tax returns. | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
They show you claimed a $916 million loss, which means you could have | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
avoided paying personal federal income taxes for years. | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
You've said you paid state taxes, employee taxes, real estate taxes, | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
property taxes, you have not answered, though, a simple question. | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
Did you use that $960 million loss to avoid paying personal | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
And so do all of her donors, or most of her donors. | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
Her donors took massive tax write-offs. | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
A lot of my write-off was depreciation and other things | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
The people who give her all this money, they want it. | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
See, I understand the tax code better than anyone that's ever | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
Hillary Clinton, and it's extremely complex, Hillary Clinton has friends | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried | :29:39. | :29:40. | |
interest provision, which is very important to Wall Street people, | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
but they really want carried interest provision, | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
And very interesting why she is leaving carried interest, | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
but I will tell you that number one I pay tremendous numbers of taxes. | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
I absolutely used it and so did Warren Buffett and so did | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
George Soros and so did many of the other people that | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
Now, I won't mention their names because they are rich, | :30:02. | :30:08. | |
but they are not famous, so we won't make them famous. | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
No, but I pay tax and I pay federal tax. | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
A lot of it is depreciation, which is a wonderful charge, | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
Hey, if she had a problem, for 30 years she has been doing this. | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
Why didn't she do something about it? | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
Why doesn't she do something about it? | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk. | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
With her, it's all talk and no action. | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
And again, Bernie Sanders, it's really bad judgment. | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
She has made bad judgment, not only on taxes. | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
She's made bad judgements on Libya, on Syria, on Iraq. | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
I mean, her and Obama, whether you like it or not, | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they've left, that's why | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
They started from that little area and now they're in 32 | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
I want you to be able to respond, Secretary Clinton. | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
I've been in favour of getting rid of carried interest for years. | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
Starting when I was a senator from New York. | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
Because I was a senator with a Republican president. | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
I will be the President who will get it done. | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
If you were an effective senator, you could have done it. | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
But you were not an effective senator. | :31:39. | :31:40. | |
You know, under our Constitution, presidents have something | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
Look, he has now said repeatedly, "30 years this and 30 years that". | :31:45. | :31:54. | |
So, let me talk about my 30 years in public service. | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
8 million kids, every year, have health insurance | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
because when I was First Lady I worked with Democrats | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
and Republicans to create the Children's Health | :32:07. | :32:07. | |
Hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
adopted because I worked to change our adoption | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
After 9/11, I went to work with Republican Mayor, Governor, | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
and President to rebuild New York and to get health care for our first | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
Hundreds of thousands of National Guard and Reserve | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
members have health care because of work that I did. | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
And children have safer medicines because I was able to pass a law | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
that required the dosing to be more carefully done. | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
When I was Secretary of State, I went around the world, | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
advocating for our country, but also advocating for women's rights, | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a better life. | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
And negotiated a treaty with Russia to lower nuclear weapons. | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
400 pieces of legislation have my name on it, as a sponsor, | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
or co-sponsor, when I was a senator for eight years. | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
I worked very hard and was very proud to be re-elected in New York | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
by an even bigger margin than I had been elected the first time. | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
And as president, I will take that work, that bipartisan work, | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
that finding common ground, because you have to be able to get | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
along with people to get things done in Washington. | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
And for 30 years, I've produced results for people. | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
She has said a lot of things that are false. | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
I mean, I think we should be allowed to maybe dispute. | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
She has been a disaster as a Senator. | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
The heartbreaking video of a five-year-old Syrian boy, | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
named Omran, sitting in an ambulance after being pulled from the rubble | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
after an air strike in Aleppo focused the world's attention | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
on the horrors on the war in Syria with 136 million views | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
But there are much worse images coming out of Aleppo every day now | :34:04. | :34:11. | |
where in the past four weeks alone, 400 people have been killed, | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
Just days ago the State Department called for a war crimes | :34:15. | :34:23. | |
investigation of the Syrian regime of Bashar Al Assad and its ally, | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
Russia, for the bombardment of Aleppo. | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
This next question comes from social media through Facebook. | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
Diane from Pennsylvania asks - if you were president, | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
what would you do about Syria and the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo? | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
Isn't it a lot like the Holocaust when the US waited too | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
Secretary Clinton, we will begin with your two minutes. | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
The situation in Syria is catastrophic. | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
And every day that goes by, we see the results of the regime, | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
by Assad, in partnership with the Iranians on the ground, | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
the Russians in the air, bombarding places, in particular | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
Aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people, | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
probably about 250,000 still left and there is a determined effort | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
by the Russian air force to destroy Aleppo in order to eliminate | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
the last of the Syrian rebels who are really holding out | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
Russia hasn't paid any attention to Isis. | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
They're interested in keeping Assad in power. | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
So I, when I was Secretary of State, advocated, and I advocate today, | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
We need some leverage with the Russians because they are not | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
unless there is some leverage over them. | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
We have to work more closely with our partners | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
But I want to emphasise that what is at stake | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
here is the ambitous and aggressiveness of Russia. | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
Russia has decided that it's all in in Syria. | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
They have also decided who they want to see | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
become President of the United States too. | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
I think wherever we can cooperate with Russia, that's fine, | :36:22. | :36:32. | |
That's how we got a treaty reducing nuclear weapons, | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
it's how we got the sanctions on Iran that put a lid | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
on the Iranian nuclear programme without firing a single shot. | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
So I would go to the negotiating table with more leverage | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
But I do support the effort to investigate for crimes, | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
war crimes, committed by the Syrians and the Russians and try | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
First of all, she is there as Secretary of State | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
with the so-called line in the sand, which... | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
No I wasn't, I was gone, I hate to interrupt you. | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
At some point we need to do some fact-checking here. | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
You were in total contact with the White House and perhaps | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
sadly Obama probably still listened to you. | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
I don't think he'll be listening very much any more. | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
It was laughed at all over the world what happened. | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
With that being said, she talks tough against Russia. | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
But our nuclear programme has fallen way behind and they have gone wild | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
Our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen. | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
Russia is new in terms of nuclear, we are old, we are tired, | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
we are exhausted in terms of nuclear. | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
She talks really tough against Putin and against Assad. | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
Every time we take rebels, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere | :37:55. | :38:02. | |
else, we are arming people, and you know what happens? | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
They end up being worse than the people. | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
Look at what she did in Libya with Gadaffi. | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
By the way Isis has a good chunk of their oil. | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
I'm sure you probably have heard that. | :38:16. | :38:16. | |
The fact is almost everything she has done in foreign policy has | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
been a mistake and it's been a disaster. | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
Just take a look at Russia and look at what they did this week | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
where I agree she wasn't there but possibly she was consulted. | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
What Russia did with Assad and, by the way with Iran, | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
who you made very powerful with the dumbest deal, perhaps, | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
I have ever seen in the history of deal making, the Iran | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
deal with $150 billion, with the 1.7 billion in cash | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
which is enough cash to fill up this room. | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
Iran now, and Russia, are now against us. | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
I don't like Assad at all but Assad is killing Isis. | :38:57. | :39:16. | |
Those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy. | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
Mr Trump, let me repeat the question. | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
If you were President, what would you do about Syria and | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
I want to remind you what your running mate said. | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
He said provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength, | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
and that if Russia continues to be involved in air strikes, | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
along with the Syrian forces of Assad the United States | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
of America should be prepared to use military force to strike | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
the military targets of the Assad regime. | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
He and I haven't spoken, and I disagree. | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
We have people who want to fight both at the same time. | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
Syria is Russia and it's Iran who she made strong and carry | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
and Obama made into a very powerful nation and a very rich nation, | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
We have to worry about Isis before we can get too much more involved. | :40:14. | :40:26. | |
She had a chance to do something with Syria. | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
What do you think will happen if Aleppo falls? | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
I think Aleppo is a disaster humanitarian-wise. | :40:33. | :40:34. | |
What do you think will happen if it falls? | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
I think that it basically has fallen, OK. | :40:38. | :40:39. | |
You look take a look at Mosul, the biggest problem | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
I have with the stupidity of our foreign policy. | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
They think a lot of the Isis leaders are in Mosul. | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
We have announcements coming out of Washington and coming out of Iraq | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
- we will be attacking Mosul in three weeks or four weeks. | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
All of these bad leaders from Isis are leaving Mosul. | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
Why can't they do the attack, make it a sneak attack, | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
and after the attack is made, inform the American public | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
that we have knocked out the leaders, we have had | :41:11. | :41:12. | |
Why do they have to say we are going to be attacking Mosul | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
within the next four to six weeks, which is what they're saying? | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
There are sometimes reasons the military does that. | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
It might be to help get civilians out. | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
Look, I have 200 generals and admirals who endorse me, | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
I have 21 congressional medal of honour recipients who endorse me. | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
Why can't they do something secretly where they go in and they knock | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
How - why would these people stay there? | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
..For weeks about Mosul that it's the harbour, | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
between Raqqa and Mosul, this is where they think | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
Because everybody is talking about how Iraq, which is us, | :42:02. | :42:11. | |
with our leadership, goes into to fight Mosul. | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
With these 200 admirals and generals they can't believe it. | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
All I say is General George Patton, General Douglas MacArthur | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
are spinning in their grave at the stupidity of what we are doing | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
I'm going to go to Secretary Clinton. | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
Secretary Clinton, you want Assad to go, you advocated arming rebels. | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
But it looks like that may be too late for Aleppo. | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
Would you introduce the threat of US military force beyond a no-fly | :42:37. | :42:44. | |
against the Assad regime to back up diplomacy? | :42:45. | :42:51. | |
I would not use American ground forces in Syria. | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
I think that would be a very serious mistake. | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
I don't think American troops should be holding territory | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
which is what they would have to do as an occupying force. | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
I don't think that is a smart strategy. | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
I do think the use of Special Forces which we are using, the use | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
of enablers and trainers in Iraq, which has had some positive effects. | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
You said that half of Donald Trump's supporters are deplorable, | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
you later said you regretted saying half, you didn't express regret | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
for using the term deplorables, to Mr Carter's question, | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
how can you unite a country if you have written off tens | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
Within hours I said I was sorry about the way I talked about that. | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
Because my argument is not with his supporters, | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
it's with him and with the hateful and divisive campaign that he has | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
run, and the inciting of violence at his rallies and the very brutal | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
kinds of comments about, not just women, but all Americans, | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
What he has said about African Americans and Latinos, | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
about Muslims, about POWs, about immigrants, about people | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
with disabilities, he has never apologised for. | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
So, I do think a lot of the tone and tenor he has set, | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
I am proud of the campaign that Bernie Sanders and I ran. | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
We ran a campaign based on issues, not insults. | :44:25. | :44:26. | |
Because we talked about what we wanted to do. | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
We might have had some differences and we had a lot of debates. | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
But we believed that we could make the country better | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
You look at Baltimore, you look at the violence | :44:41. | :44:49. | |
that is taking place in the inner cities, Chicago. | :44:50. | :44:52. | |
We have a increase in murder within our cities. | :44:53. | :44:59. | |
We have a divided nation because people like her and believe me, | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
she has tremendous hate in her heart, and when she said | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
And when she said irredeemable you didn't mention that. | :45:10. | :45:18. | |
But when she said they are irredeemable, to me that may have | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
She said some of them are irredeemable. | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
She has tremendous hatred and this country cannot take another four | :45:26. | :45:27. | |
years of Barack Obama, and that's what you | :45:28. | :45:29. | |
My question to both of you is, regardless of the current rhetoric, | :45:30. | :45:47. | |
would either of you name one positive thing that you respect | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
APPLAUSE Mr Trump, would you like to go first? | :45:50. | :46:06. | |
I certainly will because I think that's a very fair | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
His children are incredibly able and devoted and I think that says | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
I don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does | :46:19. | :46:26. | |
I think that is something that as a mother and a grandmother | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
So, I believe that this election has become in part so - | :46:32. | :46:41. | |
so conflict oriented, so intense because there is a lot at stake. | :46:42. | :46:49. | |
We are going to be choosing a president who will set policy | :46:50. | :46:59. | |
for not just four or eight years but because of some of the important | :47:00. | :47:08. | |
decisions we have to make at home and around the world, | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
from the Supreme Court to energy and so much else, | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
It is one of the most consequential elections that we've had. | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
That's why I have tried to put forward specific policies and plans, | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
trying to get it off the personal and put it | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
on to what it is I want to do as President. | :47:27. | :47:28. | |
That's why I hope people will check on that for themselves. | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
So that they can see that, yes, I've spent 30 years actually maybe | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
a little more, working to help kids and families | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
and I want to take all that experience to the White | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
House and do that every single day. | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
Well, I consider her statement about my children to be | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
I don't know if it was meant to be a compliment - but it is. | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
They have done a wonderful job and they have been | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
I disagree with much of what she is fighting for. | :48:01. | :48:20. | |
I do disagree with her judgement in many cases. | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
But she does fight hard and she doesn't quit | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
I consider that to be a very good trait. | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
I want to thank the university here, this concludes the town | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
hall meeting our thanks to the candidates, the Commission, | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
Washington University and to everybody who watched. | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
Please tune in on October 19th for the final presidential debate | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
which will take place at the University | :48:46. | :48:46. | |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in that tense and sometimes extremely | :48:47. | :49:15. | |
feisty second televised presidential debate. | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
For reaction to that debate, I'm joined here | :49:22. | :49:23. | |
in Washington by Peter Fenn - a Democratic strategist who worked | :49:24. | :49:25. | |
on presidential campaigns for Al Gore and John Kerry. | :49:26. | :49:27. | |
And the Republican strategist and former special sssistant | :49:28. | :49:29. | |
Donald Trump's campaign was in freefall going into that debate, he | :49:30. | :49:37. | |
needed to stabilise it and stop the bleeding. Already we have a verdict | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
because the speaker of the house Paul Ryan has said he will not | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
defend or campaign for Donald Trump. Did Mr Trump fail? I don't think he | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
failed. For all the political debates I've seen, for all the | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
political candidates I've watched, I did think we'd ever seen anything | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
like this. Heading into the debate last night, Donald Trump had to | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
prove he was prepared. He had to prove he could be president, that he | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
had the intellect. I think he largely scored a lot of important | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
debate points in his fracas with the former Secretary of State. Mr Ryan's | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
announcement was significant. A lot of Republicans in the House of | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
Representatives are very concerned that Donald Trump will hurt the down | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
ticket. I think Paul Ryan gave a lot of cover today for a lots of | :50:30. | :50:32. | |
Republicans to distance themselves from Mr Trump in order to save their | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
own re-election prospects. This Hillary Clinton we saw in this | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
debate, she wasn't calm, collected and confident as she was in the | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
first debate. Donald Trump was much more collected. Why was it not such | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
a great night for her? I think she did fine. I think being confronted | :50:54. | :51:02. | |
with Bill Clinton's past and the front row of some of the women | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
accusers, it's going to unnerve anybody. Even someone who has been | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
in politics as long as she has. She so comfortable on policy, she is so | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
comfortable on her plans and what she's trying to do for the country. | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
Should love to talk about that. She's less confident in this back | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
and forth. Trump is a little more comfortable to be honest. At the end | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
of the day if you look at some of these polls, in the first debate 62% | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
thought she had won the debate. 57% thought she'd won this debate. It | :51:38. | :51:45. | |
depends which Paul you look at. Frank Luntz's polls were saying the | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
attacks on Donald Trump on her e-mails and the idea of a special | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
prosecutor, that was going down well with undecided voters. One of the | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
things you will see and we'll find out in the next several days is what | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
is happening in those undecided voters. My guess is that the | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
aftermath with people being afraid to support Trump will have a greater | :52:07. | :52:15. | |
effect than the debate. Ron, did Donald Trump do enough last night? | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
Did he do anything to reach out to those moderate women who live in the | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
suburbs of Philadelphia and that key swing state of Pennsylvania who are | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
concerned about that tape? Or was he just really there to make sure that | :52:29. | :52:36. | |
the base turns out? I think he did both. For a good bit of the debate | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
he was more tempered than we have seen. He seemed more in control of | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
his facts and what he wanted to say and what he wanted to convey. At the | :52:45. | :52:49. | |
same time, I think what Peter said is right. He did use those attacks | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
and he did talk about the e-mail to get those folks who really are going | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
to go out and vote for him to go out and get their friends to vote for | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
him as well. I think the third debate is going to be so critical of | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
what we are going to see from Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
and what is going to happen in the next two weeks as they go on the | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
campaign trail. Is there really anybody in the electorate who has | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
truly not decided? That is the question. What does Hillary Clinton | :53:20. | :53:29. | |
have to do in the next debate in Nevada? What she really needs to do | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
is make it very clear again that he is not fit to be president of the | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
United States. But he goes low and she is going to go high. I think | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
that's where she should take it. The other thing I think is very | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
important is, and I think we advise our clients to do the same thing, | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
turn off the sound on these and just watch the movement on this. If I | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
were coaching Donald Trump and say, for crying out loud, don't show all | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
these facial expressions. Don't move around the stage like a panther. | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
Hillary Clinton was looking pained. She covers her pain with that smile. | :54:06. | :54:13. | |
I think that she is... I think this is a tough situation for him. There | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
really is body language and women and men are reading it and they | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
don't like it. Donald Trump has been accused of looking somewhat | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
predatory on the stage, of getting a bit too much in the eye line behind | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
Hillary Clinton. The question I have is, is his strategy doubling down | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
and hoping for historic turnout among non-college-educated white | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
voters? Is that the path for him to the White House? It seems like it to | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
me. There's no question he is not going to do nearly as well amongst | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
African Americans, amongst Latinos voters. The question is since | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
politics is addition, how can he add enough votes to his coalition that | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
will allow him to get those 270 electoral college votes. It's going | :55:01. | :55:07. | |
to be an educated white men at the top of the ticket for him and the | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
question is what other coalitions can he moved to his side of the | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
ledger? There is a poll out today showing that Hillary Clinton is up | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
but this election has been so volatile. She went from a 9-point | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
lead in August to a virtual tie, you must be worried. I've been worried | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
for a year and a half! This has been so unpredictable. Anything could | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
happen in the next couple of weeks, anything did happen in the last 72 | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
hours. You just don't know. We are going to see WikiLeaks and all kinds | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
of stuff. We do not know, exactly. Thank you so much. Thank you for | :55:46. | :55:52. | |
joining us for this special report here on BBC news about that second | :55:53. | :55:54. | |
US presidential debate. Easterly winds continue | :55:55. | :56:21. | |
to dominate our weather this week. The pressure pattern hasn't changed | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
much from last week. | :56:25. | :56:27. |