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Welcome to Landward, the programme that brings the very best

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of Scotland's countryside to your screen.

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This week, I'm hoping to trap the creatures of the night, bats.

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And here's what else is coming up on the programme.

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Sarah meets the farming family opening their doors to the public.

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What sort of questions do people ask when they come along?

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Sometimes, just, like, "Is that a cockerel or is that a chicken?"

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They're not quite sure which is which.

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Nick visits a traditional kipper smokehouse...

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-It's fishy.

-..and then gives the folk of Aberdeen a taste.

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-Mm. Yum!

-Yum?

-Yeah.

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But before all that, Euan's off to Fintray in Aberdeenshire.

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It's just a wee village,

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but its classic Hill Climb race is a big draw for motorsport fans.

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The Aberdeenshire countryside on a sleepy Sunday morning.

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ENGINES REV

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Did I say sleepy?

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Not this weekend.

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-TANNOY:

-Good morning and welcome to the Fintray Hill Climb.

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It's the Fintray Hill Climb,

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a highlight of the motor racing calendar,

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attracting drivers and fans from all over Scotland.

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And it's a celebration. This event is 50 years old.

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Now, it's easy to get blown away by the beautiful cars, the noise,

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the excitement and the smell, but putting on an event like this

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requires serious dedication and hard work.

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Challenge number one.

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'This hill climb is held on a working farm which has been

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'run by Stuart Johnston's family throughout the race's history.'

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-That's a bonny wee calf. How old is that?

-Just recently born.

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We're in the throes of calving just now.

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-Just about to start the hill climb?

-Yes.

-What about the animals?

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Does it have any impact on them at all?

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There's no effect on the stock at all.

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We were lambing using that field, they have to be off,

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but they've been off for three weeks now, anyway.

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The park at the top's left free for car parking.

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They'll just be up the road for a couple of days.

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Challenge number two, clearing the road.

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Volunteers from the Grampian Automobile Club

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cheerfully spend hours clearing muck and manure from the track.

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All 611 metres of it.

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And this is what the track looks like.

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Basically, you've got three bends.

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The first one's called Ruin

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because that's where the ruins of Fintray House used to be.

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The second one's called Combine

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because that's where the combine shed used to be.

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And the third one is Hairpin.

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And it's pretty obvious

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because this is the tightest bend

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in the Scottish Hill Climb Championships.

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Before anybody can race, if they're new to it,

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they have to walk the entire course.

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So I'd better get down there.

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I'm going to do your walkthrough this morning.

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As newcomers, you've obviously not been here before.

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We'll start at the very, very beginning.

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'Challenge number three, the course itself.

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'Club member Trevor Park is showing us around the track.

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'And he's well qualified.

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'He's been racing this hill since he was in short overalls.'

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-You're going to be biased, how good is the Fintray track?

-It's fantastic.

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It's just...

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Everybody says, because it's only got three corners,

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it's not exciting, but it is.

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It's a technically very, very difficult hill.

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Those technically-difficult bends have caused many

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a driver to come a cropper over the years.

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And they've attracted the crowds.

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At its peak in the '70s,

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around 5,000 people flocked to the farm to watch the event.

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Today, a whole generation are looking to experience the thrill.

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I'm not going to be actually racing today

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because you have to be properly licensed, but I love hill climbs.

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I used to watch them on the television when I was younger.

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I used the buy the magazines.

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I've restored a couple of cars in the past myself. An MGB and an MGA.

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So the club have agreed to let me

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go round the course with an experienced driver.

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I'm so excited!

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This is my driver, Alan Nicol.

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-Alan.

-Hi.

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'And this is my ride. A Caterham Super 7.

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'Safe to say it's pretty special.'

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It's won the Scottish Road Car Championship ten times.

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Six with me and four with my son, Craig.

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-So there's a bit of family rivalry?

-There is.

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-So, is he faster than you?

-Yes. The rivalry's gone.

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It did pass away quite a few years ago.

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So, what's the attraction of hill climbs for you?

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It's against the clock, it has to be right first time. Accuracy.

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The scare factor.

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There's no run-off areas in the hill climbs.

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It's trees and barriers everywhere you go.

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The engine roars and we head to the start line.

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Even the short journey has my adrenaline pumping.

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Oh! I've never been in anything as fast as this before.

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Goodness me!

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Screaming round the corners.

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Into first gear. He's not slowing down at all.

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He's going for it. I can see the finish line coming up.

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Goodness me, he's going for it.

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'And that's a time of 31.14 seconds.'

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That...is incredible.

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That was 30 seconds of just sheer adrenaline.

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I've never been...

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I was going to say scared, but really exciting at the same time.

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This has been going for 50 years and you can see why.

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Hopefully, it'll be going for another 50 years.

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Alan, that was brilliant. Fantastic!

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I absolutely loved it.

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From the northeast to New Galloway in the southwest

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and the heart of the Galloway Forest District.

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The traditional perception is that forestry plantations like this

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are not good places for wildlife.

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But I'm off to meet a researcher who's trying to find out

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if, for bats, at least, that's really true.

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Here, there are 116,000 hectares of forest,

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producing half a million tonnes of timber every year.

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During the day, the woodlands around here are full of the hustle

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and bustle of people chopping, planting and tending trees.

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But at night, it's an entirely different creature

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which gets to work.

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Scotland is home to nine species of bat, ranging from the smallest,

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the pipistrelle, to the largest, the noctule.

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And in Dumfries and Galloway, you can find them all.

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They're hardy little mammals to be able to survive the short

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and often cold, wet and windy summer nights.

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You've also got to be pretty hardy if you want to spot them.

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-Hi, Lucy, how are you doing?

-I'm good. How are you?

-Very well.

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This looks a fairly remarkable contraption. What is it?

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This is a hub trap, which is

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one of the methods we have for catching bats.

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'Lucy Kirkpatrick, a PhD student from Stirling University, is here

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'in the Galloway Forest to find out exactly what the bats are up to.

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'And tonight, I'm helping her catch some.

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'Hopefully.'

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-This is pretty much a commercial plantation here.

-Yep.

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-Are we expecting to find bats here?

-Yeah.

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So this research came about because people generally have

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shown in studies that bats avoid conifer plantations.

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-That's what I thought.

-That's the general perception.

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But actually, in some bat boxes they put up in plantations,

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they've found good populations of bats.

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And there's a lot of anecdotal evidence.

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Even in quite sort of dense plantations,

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like the ones I'm working in.

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-So that's where this work has come from.

-OK.

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So, why in this particular part of the forest?

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What we're looking for is areas where the bats are going to

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fly into the forest to make it easy to catch them.

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So what we're looking at here is you've got a really nice

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space where the bats will fly in and then come into here

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-and it kind of funnels them in.

-Right.

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And hopefully, fly through here and that's how we'll catch them.

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-And you've got tension on this line now, so...

-Yeah.

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So you can see here, the bat sees the first one,

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turns and then hits the second one and drops down.

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OK.

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-We collect them in the bag.

-Quite midgie tonight.

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-Is that a good thing?

-It is for bats, it's not for us.

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But we think the bats are feeding on the midges.

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'As well as these harp traps, Lucy uses nets to capture the bats.

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'And while she finishes setting them up,

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'I catch up with Dr Sallie Bailey from the Forestry Commission.'

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The reason why we've asked Lucy to do the research is we're very

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interested to find out how bats are using the habitat.

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'The Commission are helping fund Lucy's work

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'and will use the results when planning their forest operations.'

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We can then use that information to inform

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the guidance for the forest sector

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to ensure that operations are working in harmony with bats

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and not disturbing them

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and disrupting their commutes and breeding.

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Because, obviously, they're a European protected species.

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One thing I reckon, it's just got windy

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and, when I think it's windy, no midges, no bats.

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-That's slightly worrying.

-Well, let's hope.

-Hope it changes!

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The traps are in place.

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All we can do now is retreat to a safe distance

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so our presence doesn't scare the bats

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and wait for darkness to fall.

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Well, it's after 11.30pm, it's well and truly dark,

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so we've switched to infrared camera.

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Haven't caught any bats just yet,

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but we know there are some in the area. We're using...

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-CLICKING

-Can you hear that? Bat detector.

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That tells us they're in the area.

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Now they just have to fly into the nets, or the harp trap,

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then we'll see them.

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'Yes, that was one behind me.

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'I can't see them, but our camera picks them out

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'quite easily as they fly over the water, feeding.

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'And Lucy can pick out the different species of bat from the noises

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'coming from the detector.

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'But will we have any luck in the nets?'

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-This is the net here.

-Yeah, net just here.

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-Nothing.

-Nothing.

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But you can see the way this is being blown open by the wind now

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-it's picked up. So the bats will detect this very easily.

-OK.

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And now it's drizzling, so, um...

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I don't think we're going to have much luck tonight, to be honest.

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It's 12.40am, it's cold, it's now starting to rain

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and I've just been bitten behind the ear by a midgie.

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How did that happen?

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'Midgie bites, then, but no bats tonight.

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'The wind, rain and cold have beaten Lucy's traps,

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'but at least we can get back indoors now... Can't we?'

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-Cold!

-THEY CHUCKLE

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At what point in the evening do you say,

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"Right, they're coming down, we're getting out of here"?

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-We stay out for four hours after sunset, regardless.

-Right.

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So even on the nights like this, when you think,

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"The bats aren't here,

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"the weather's not like I thought, I could go home," you don't.

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You just drink a lot of coffee, eat a lot of biscuits. Flies past!

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-Unlike the bats.

-THEY CHUCKLE

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Better luck next time.

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Let's hope Nick has more success tracking down some kippers.

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It's the beginning of the Scottish herring season.

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So we sent him to Portsoy on the northeast coast to learn

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the traditional craft of smoking.

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NEWSREEL: 'Under the swell of the northern seas,

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'there's a continual coming and going of uncountable millions of herring.

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'The shoals are rich.'

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In the 19th and early 20th century,

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the fishing villages on the northeast coast, like this one

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here at Portsoy, were once home to a thriving herring industry.

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The industry reached its zenith in 1907, when 2.5 million barrels of

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herring were exported from Scotland to the Continent in one year.

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Five years later, there were still 10,000 boats

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employed in the Scottish herring industry, but it was not to last.

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Overfishing brought stocks to the brink of destruction.

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By the 1970s, the herring industry had collapsed.

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There are now strict quotas in place to control how many

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fish can be taken during the relatively short herring season.

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And this means that stocks have been allowed to recover

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to create what is now a sustainable fishery.

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These days, the Scottish herring fleet set out on 1st June

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to intercept the massive shoals of herring

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and catch their annual quota.

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Usually in around six weeks.

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The majority of the catch will be landed in Peterhead and Fraserburgh

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before heading for the Continent.

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But some of the catch ends up here, at Sutherlands of Portsoy,

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to be made into one of my culinary favourites, the kipper.

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-Morris.

-Hi, Nick. How are you doing?

-Very good.

-Pleased to meet you.

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-We find ourselves next to kippers in the making.

-Yes.

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'Morris Sutherland's family have been in the business for five generations.'

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So, Morris, where are these kippers going to end up?

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Well, basically, all over the world.

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We do have a big market over in Singapore, Japan, um...UAE.

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Some of these are going down to England as well.

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Italy, Germany, just all over the world.

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-And closer to home, do people still have a kipper for breakfast?

-Yes.

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Mainly hotels that we supply,

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the kipper's a big seller for the hotels.

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And what about the bones? What about them?

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That sets a bit of a contentious issue.

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Basically, what I say to that is, just give them a good grilling.

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THEY LAUGH

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And is the kippering...? I can see the guys doing it here.

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It's all done by hand. Is it a simple enough process or...?

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-It's very simple to do. Just a bit of practice.

-Even I could do it?

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Absolutely.

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-Shall we put that to the test?

-Definitely.

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Basically, take the knife, in through the fin.

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Until you feel the backbone?

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So you can feel the backbone, that's correct. And then straight down.

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-Turn it around.

-Back in and up. And then guillotine all the way up here.

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-OK.

-And then it's quite tough going through the head, the bone.

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-That's pure bone.

-OK.

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-And then just split him apart.

-Yeah.

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So actually, I should've cut through those bones as well.

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That's it. That's perfect.

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And then out come the guts and bits and pieces.

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And how long would it have taken them back in the day to do this?

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Probably about three or four times quicker.

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-So, I'm not going to get a job, then?

-No.

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THEY LAUGH

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Once the herring are filleted and racked,

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it's time for the main event, the smoke.

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And Morris has a secret ingredient.

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This is oak shavings we get from the local area.

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-You can smell the whisky.

-You really can smell it.

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But also, when you light the kiln, you get a blue flame.

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-And do you think that gives it a really unique character?

-It does.

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The oak shavings we use from the whisky barrels does give it a distinctive flavour.

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The smoking process takes four hours

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and I can't wait to try a Portsoy kipper.

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So here they are, the finished product.

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And there's something quite unique about the smell of kippers.

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It's not something you get every day.

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Oh!

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That flavour is just extraordinary.

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It's deep, it's smoky, you get a little bit of a hint of the whisky.

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There's a bit of seaweed, there's a bit of sea in there.

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It really is amazing.

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And I have a fantastic idea of what I'm going to do with

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these in the Landward street food van.

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So stay with us and see what I come up with.

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'Travelling around filming Landward, we get to see all parts of Scotland.

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'And we like to find out what the locals like about the places they live in.

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'Not far from the forest where the bats should have been

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'is Castle Douglas.

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'It's lovely, but what's the best thing about it?'

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The shops in the town. Some of them are quite individual.

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It's not your normal high-street shops.

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Just it's a nice, friendly town, so it is.

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The people, they're, like, so friendly. They like to talk.

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They'll stop and give you time in the street.

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-A nice butchers.

-People can identify with the local businesses.

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-And that's what they love.

-The best cakes in Marchbank's.

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The best place to get a cake is Corson's Bakery.

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Sulwath's Brewery. It's got really nice beer and really nice lager

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and it's all locally made. Can't beat it.

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-Fish and chips, that's my answer.

-Fish and chips?

-Yeah.

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Well, the shops here are great but, for me,

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the best thing about Castle Douglas is a tale of heroism.

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On 16th October, 1939, local lawyer Patrick Gifford became the first

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man to shoot down an enemy pilot over British airspace during WWII.

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And he's remembered on this plaque outside the town library.

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This Sunday is Open Farm Sunday.

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Farmers across the country are opening their doors to show

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the general public what they do.

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And Sarah's been along to meet one family taking part.

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'This is the Dawes family.

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'On Sunday, their farm near Kinross

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'will be one of nearly 30 across Scotland open for visitors.

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'It's a once-a-year chance for the public to get to grips with

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'where their food comes from.

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'Rebecca is the coordinator for the project in Scotland.

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'While her dad Colin and brother Stuart round up the sheep,

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'I find out more.'

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-So, why do farmers want to do this?

-It's a combination of things.

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Obviously, number one, um...

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it's really good for the general public to see what we do.

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We should be really proud to be farmers.

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I think it's really important that we promote more what we're doing.

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Secondly, it's good for the consumer to go along and ask questions.

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There are so many things they may want to know.

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We see eggs in a supermarket but how have they got there?

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So it's an opportunity for them to ask questions.

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And are they busy days, in your experience?

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For us, it's a really important thing and we want to

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carry on the tradition so, yeah, it's really important to us.

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But it can be busy. It depends how you manage it.

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Different people do it different ways.

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Some will do just a farm walk and there will only be 20 people.

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Other people will open up their farm and they could get several hundred.

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'This weekend, the family are laying on a series of farm

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'demonstrations, including sheep shearing.

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'But today, I'm worming with Stuart.'

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Is that us?

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I'll just warn you, I have wormed before, but I'm not very good at it.

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-All right.

-Does that, er...?

-All right?

-Does that scare you?

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I'll trust you know what you're doing, then.

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-Right, carry on.

-Straight in the mouth.

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-So, do you get enjoyment out of the open days?

-Yeah, they're good.

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It's always nice to meet people that haven't really got any

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involvement in farming and see what they think about the industry

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and maybe teach them a few things.

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-Do you want a go?

-Yeah, let's go for it.

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-Just one squirt?

-Yes. Go on, then.

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Right. I'm totally in charge. I know exactly what I'm doing.

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(It's all right, it's all right, it's all right. Hey-hey.)

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Open your mouth. And a squirt.

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There we go. That's good. One done, only another...how many to go?

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There we go, there we go. There we go!

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What sort of questions do people ask when they come along?

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Sometimes, like, "Is that a cockerel or is that a chicken?"

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They're not quite sure which is which.

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They're a little bit confused about what's a goat and what's a sheep sometimes but...

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-You put them right.

-Yeah, sometimes.

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'And while Stuart finishes doing the sheep,

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'his dad Colin is keen to show me the goats.

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'Pygmy goats, to be precise.'

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-Goat feeding time.

-Goat feeding time.

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See if I can get on a bit better than my sheep worming.

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You can't miss this. They come and help you out.

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-Come on, then! How many goats do you have?

-About 35.

-35.

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So, do all the local community get involved in the Open Sunday?

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We try and get as many as possible who want to be involved in it.

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-The local, um...Kinross community, they come up...

-Here we go.

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-Will I toss some out?

-Yes.

-Hello, you!

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They put on... They do teas and coffees

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and then other charities come up and help do their bits and pieces.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-They're keen for food.

-Indeed.

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And how many people did you have last year?

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We had about 800 last year,

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which was about 600 more people than I had expected.

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Mostly locals, mostly from the schools, all came out and

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I was actually very, very impressed with how interested they all were.

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'More than a million people have visited farms

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'up and down the UK since the scheme started in 2006.

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'And you can see why.'

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-Yeah. Very cute.

-He is very sweet.

-He's very sweet.

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I appreciate that there's lots of farms where you can't see cute

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animals like this and hold them and farming can be very intensive, so

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what are people going to be able to see on the open days?

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So it varies across the country.

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In Scotland, we've got

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farms opening from Orkney right down to the Borders.

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So people will be able to see livestock, cattle, sheep.

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Or it could be crops and fruit and veg. If you take our farm,

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we've got several different breeds of sheep.

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So you can easily showcase the different breeds

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and why we have different breeds.

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Somebody else, like the Orkney Buffalo, will showcase buffalo.

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It's not something that's done widely, so they can promote that.

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It just varies depending on what they do.

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If you're one less goat at the end of today, would that matter?

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Um...I know where to find him.

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Totally stealing the show, isn't it?

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He's adorable.

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Well, if you want to find out about the farms that are open,

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you can go to our website.

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Some you have to book, others you can just simply turn up.

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And with cuties like this, how can you resist?

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'Earlier, Nick found out how you transform

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'herring into a beautiful smoky kipper.

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'It used to be a breakfast favourite or a high tea treat.

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'Nowadays, not so much.

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'Can Nick, in the Landward food van,

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'persuade the people of Aberdeen to fall back in love with the kipper?'

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So we've got the fabulous kippers.

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These tend just to get grilled and eaten at breakfast time.

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-And delicious for that, right?

-Absolutely delicious.

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And something that's quite overlooked.

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I was amazed at how tasty they were.

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And it made me think that they would make a fantastic little canape,

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a little snack.

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So what I'm planning to do is to take some of the flesh,

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-which I've taken down, picked all the bones out.

-Yes.

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And we're going to mix that with a little bit of mash.

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And we'll make a little fishcake mix, make it into little croquettes.

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-Excellent.

-Kipper croquettes. It's a new role for the kipper.

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-Let's get on with it, shall we?

-Right, if you want to start?

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Just enough potato to bind that together in that mixing bowl.

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So whilst you do that, I'm going to chop up some spring onions

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and some chopped parsley.

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We'll put a little bit of lemon zest

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and lemon juice through the fishcake mix.

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-Should I be trying to break up the kipper?

-No.

-Try and keep it solid?

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Yeah, keep it solid. Because we want that texture.

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A bit of spring onion.

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-Fold that through.

-OK.

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And some parsley, lemon juice coming up.

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So salt. Not too much salt because...

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-Lots of salt in the kipper already.

-Correct.

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But plenty of pepper because we love pepper.

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-We certainly do.

-In we go.

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When you've got somebody to help you,

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-you really rattle on through it, don't you?

-You do, absolutely.

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-And you're doing a great job.

-'Of course I am.

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'Now to make the croquettes.

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'Roll the mixture into little tubes and dip them in flour and egg wash.

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'Then coat them in oatmeal.'

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-Oh, look at that. I'm quite pleased with that.

-That looks pretty good.

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-I've only got 1,000 more to do!

-We may be some time.

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'Then they get deep-fried in vegetable oil

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'until they're crisp and golden.'

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The smell of kipper is fantastic, isn't it?

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It's really quite pungent and glorious.

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OK, so whilst the croquettes are just warming through in the oven,

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we're going to add our mustard mayonnaise.

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So let's talk a wee bit about the kippers.

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-They're a pretty healthy fish, aren't they?

-They are.

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They're high in omega 3, omega 6 and omega 9 as well.

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And those are antioxidants. They're really good for your circulation.

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In fact, the government advice is that you should eat oily fish

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at least once a week.

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We should have a taste, shouldn't we?

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-Oh, yes!

-Oh, that smokiness!

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I'm loving the oatmeal with the smokiness.

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-Mm!

-Good.

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-That's a bit of a discovery.

-This is really nice.

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So, good citizens of Aberdeen,

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we're about to bring you the kipper croquettes with mustard mayonnaise.

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Kipper croquettes with mustard mayonnaise.

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You up for some of that? Yeah?

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'Don't all rush at once(!)'

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It's fishy.

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Very good. Not so much salt.

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What do you get in there?

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-Fish.

-Do you know what type of fish they use to make kippers?

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Haddock?

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Ooh, that's good.

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-Do you like kippers?

-I'm allergic to fish.

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Is that something you would make for yourself?

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No.

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-Want to try one of my herring croquettes?

-No, thank you.

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Well, basically, I've changed my eating habits recently.

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I'll try one, then.

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I'm from Australia and they don't eat herring in Australia.

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-Like it?

-Yeah, it's fine.

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-Mm!

-You get that oatmeal on the outside?

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-Yep. Gorgeous.

-Good on you, darling.

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-Mm. Yum!

-Yum?

-Yum!

-Very nice.

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I need to get the recipe.

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Nick, you appear to have one left there.

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-I've kept it for myself.

-What was the reaction of people generally?

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Um...I was surprised that a lot of people didn't know

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that the fish they use to make a kipper is a herring.

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Pretty much universal appreciation of the croquette.

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Maybe not quite the enthusiasm that I'd expected.

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The ums and the ahs.

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But in general, it went down well.

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If people have to eat more kippers, there's education still to be done?

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I think there certainly is, yeah.

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OK, well, that's it. He's finishing the kipper croquette.

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From the two of us, thanks for your company. Bye-bye.

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