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Hello, welcome to match of the day to extra. -- Match Of The Day 2. We

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will look at the weekend's football. The match is already underway at

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White Hart Lane. It is goalless. The other contenders are jostling for

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position. Later we have Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea

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in action. We are joined by John Mortensen, a Liverpool defender and

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the football writer. Get in touch. You can contact us on Twitter or the

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BBC sport website. Is one of the stories of the week Arsenal? It has

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got to be. For people who say it will not last, you have to remember

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that Arsenal are in a good position. Things would not necessarily

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collapse because of injury. I think they have got a great chance. They

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are talking about buying a striker enemy. I think the win so many

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games. I think everyone is kidding themselves if they think they can

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get close. Players being ill and players in a variety of positions.

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One of the matches of the day yesterday was at Upton Park.

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Absolutely. Midweek as well. That was the game full needed to see

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whether they could raise their game against West Ham and they

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categorically didn't. Everything about that game suggested they are a

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club just not going anywhere. The ball went into the back of the net

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at White Hart Lane. Tottenham have not scored many goals this season

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but they have got one against the champions today. Kyle Walker with a

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free kick from the edge of the area. Hard and low through the Manchester

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United wall. Tottenham leading by a goal to nil. I am watching the game

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with Mark Wright. Wright from the start the Tottenham players and fans

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where not fret. Absolutely. There was a clumsy challenge on the end of

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the box. It was literally impossible to get it up and down so Walker

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drove it low into the back of the net. A couple of things to come out

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of that. It was not the first clumsy challenge that Manchester United

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have committed. Smalling and Jones are Leon. The interesting thing

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about that is, can it give Spurs the impetus to attack with pace? There

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was a really good comment in terms of the wall and jumping. The free

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kick at the 18 yards box is difficult. Another five yards out

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you just stand there. Isn't it normally that the wall jumps? I do

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not think you jump so close. The degree of difficulty is bigger in

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terms of scoring. Another five yards there is no doubt about it. When it

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is so close, it is a non-believable skill to get it up and over. For a

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few minutes it has listed the cloud. It is the first time that

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United have been any renewed the penalty area. The manager is a

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genius at the moment. He has no clear to go at the moment. In the

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papers this morning, not on Drever asked, if you take the Sunday Mirror

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David the favourite to take over at White Hart Lane. You go to another

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paper it is Capello, other papers have different names. Another paper

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asked all the reporters and pundits and nine out of nine said they think

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Villas Boa will be in the job at the end of the season. It clearly isn't

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what it all might be. Some players have not been signed. There was talk

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of another team asking about a top player. There is something to it.

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But I think there is a little bit of usual suspects about the names that

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keep getting targeted. He probably still does not know his best team at

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the moment. If he wins today it will be somebody else tomorrow. The

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subject of house-buyers have played and the lack of goals has been

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discussed all season but the position of the manager was not

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debated until a freak result at Manchester City. I think that is

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right. Things have come out about his relationships with the players.

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It is not the lot of flexibility. It did not really come out until then.

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There really are problems about the way they played football. They have

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a striker who responds to other players. People react to that. He is

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just waiting up there not receiving the ball. The thing about that, if

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you look at the players starting, they would love to come inside. If

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you are a striker it is no good. You only have a certain amount of width.

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When you come around the back of somebody, you are looking there and

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looking at the players. As far as Manchester United are concerned, you

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have watched the first 25 minutes. Is it too easy to say there is a

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difference now? They are starting to resemble a side that could do

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something this season. I thought they played OK, Bayern Leverkusen

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had a disappointing home record. On the night they had absolutely

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nothing. A great result for United. With Madrid or Barcelona do that? I

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do not think so. There is still a lot of difference to be -- distance

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to be covered by United. With a 40-year-old be in the midfield of

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Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid? They say now. There is a

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transfer window. The only way you can do business with Man United in a

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window like that is if somebody exceptional comes up. You look at

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the players they have got. On the bench even. Anderson will be sold at

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the next available opportunity. I is Ryan Giggs in the? There is no one

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else. -- why. I think people see the enormity of the task facing Alex

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Ferguson. We will his top players be in six or 12 months? Get in touch

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with us. There are 25 minutes gone at White Hart Lane. Spurs one,

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Manchester United zero. This is the view on the title race from arson

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vendor. There is an important period coming up. -- Arsene Wenger. If we

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get ourselves in a good position I think we will have a very successful

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season. You can only do your job and see what happens after. Once you do

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your job well you can relax. Someone created in the you think what Gareth

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Veal did last season, Aaron Ramsey is doing this season? I take the

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point. It is kind of similar. Ramsey has just fulfilled the challenge and

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potential that Arsenal thought they were getting when they signed him.

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His confidence took a huge knock with the injury sustained against

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Stoke. Now he is playing out of his skin. There are other players coming

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in behind him. That midfield is working. The seems to be a

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partnership that was not really in evidence last year. On the defence,

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look at Arsenal this season. They are a lot more consistent. The

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atmosphere they would have felt if Campbell had equalised with have

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been a lot difference. Centre backs do not get tested to often. That is

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why they are winning games. How interesting the game will be a week

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next Saturday. When they played at old Trafford, Arsenal, they were

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disappointing. They wear a bit reticent. The manager said it was

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the sense of occasion. There was a bug flying about as well. And beware

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at Dortmund on the Wednesday. The interchange of those midfield

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players, you talk about strength and depth of the midfield but what they

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do, they fill in for each other. When the game is underway, it is

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incredibly difficult. Khuram Sheikh they are all comfortable anywhere.

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They are interchangeable. A typical team which is very comfortable on

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the ball. They play football, Arsenal, like an international team

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should play football. When people keep the ball and get confidence, we

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make the runs. Let me get the vote for this afternoon. Aaron Ramsey

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looked miserable when he scored his two goals yesterday. Here is the

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question, should the player celebrates scoring against their

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former club? Roberto Soldado was nearly supporting at White Hart

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Lane. Mark Bright in the penalty area really should have scored. It

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was an awful mess. I would say he was about seven yards out when he

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receives the return pass and blazes it over and why. There was lack of

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confidence, that it was a goal all day long. Another chance coming and

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all the way across and behind for a Manchester United goal kick. They

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are under pressure. That should have been to. It is interesting to see

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Tottenham are playing on the break and in the last couple of

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opportunities they have created very good chances. Let's move on to

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Chelsea against Southampton. You will be able to listen to this one

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on BBC radio five live. Another defeat to Basle, but Jose Mourinho

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says he is not worried about his team. A one goal situation is fine.

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If I forget the performance from the last match, our situation is fine.

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We are a close distance to the leader. We are qualified for the

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last 16 in the Champions League. We are OK. Our situation is OK. We have

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to improve stability in our game. We have to improve expectations and

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individually we have to improve, especially with the younger players.

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But we are OK. We are going straight back to White Hart Lane. Spurs were

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on top. They had two great chances to go further ahead. Wayne Rooney

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has scored. It was terrible defending from Tottenham and Kyle

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Walker in particular. I cannot believe what I have just seen. He

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takes the pace of it and it was a lay-off to Wayne Rooney who poked it

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straight into the back of the net. It has gone quiet inside the

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stadium. Spurs should be leading by 3-1 at least. When you see Phil

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Jones do what he did then, why can they not be a central midfield? He

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is a better player at centre-back. It was a fantastic lay-off by Walker

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for Wayne Rooney. And Manchester United are not getting fellow uni.

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They see him as a central defender. You see the quality of that delivery

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and they miss somebody who can deliver you with quality from the

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right. Going on about Wayne Rooney. If you think back to the summer when

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you think about was he going to stay or was he settled and David Moyes

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made a remark about needing him in case of Robin van Persie. But now it

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has happened because Robin van Persie is not there and Wayne Rooney

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is taking on the major striking responsibility and he is playing out

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of his skin. This is not a great fixture for Chelsea to come back to

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after what happened during the week. It is such a contrast between the

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philosophies. There is a lot of stuff from Mauricio Pochettino in

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the weekday players -- press. You set that against Jose Mourinho who

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has said in the papers again this morning it is too big a club to be

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able to put the English lads in. For the purists you would say let's hope

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that Southampton prevails. There are not too many problems at Chelsea

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because they have got so many players. I was at tile on Friday and

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they were talking about the players and they were all raving about the

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Saints. They are just all together and they all play for each other.

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There is an energy and a positivity about Southhampton that you could

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argue is lacking at Chelsea at the moment. Jose Mourinho has said some

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of his players are tired. Why do you say that? It strikes me with Jose

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Mourinho we all loved him at first and he used to say things like this.

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We look at him and say, any more excuses you can come up this week

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with? I think it is born out of frustration. I think he thought he

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had a better team than he has got. The Chelsea supporters are still

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confused about his attitude towards Juana matter. He does not seem to be

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keen on him any more. He has not played since December or November

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the 4th. Do you buy into what he said that at a bigger club you

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cannot bring the British talent through like they can at

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Southhampton? I do not think it is the case at all. It is all about the

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manager having the belief as Mauricio Pochettino said. Some of us

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may have thought our players ready, and look at the force of nature they

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come out to be. Sometimes you do not know presumably until they are on

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the field. The class of 92. It is relevant with the class of 92. But

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Jose Mourinho is all about today. He is not a manager that is going to

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clamp up. I think it's why Jose Mourinho is all about Jose Mourinho.

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There is no way Chelsea can produce a classic 92 because they have not

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had many English players come through the academy. There are a

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whole host of players still out on loan. Ian has sent a text saying,

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how do you think the FA should react to the inflammatory comments made by

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the whole city owner in the Independent today, which is Richard

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Rae, who has interviewed the owner of whole. The headline is

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astonishing. It says, I do not mind them singing city until they die,

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they can die as soon as they want. It is hugely inflammatory. The

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background is his desire to make Hull city into the whole city

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Tigers. He is the owner of the football club. It demonstrates the

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real problem clubs like Hull and Cardiff have where they want to be

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in the premier late and they want somebody with the money to get them

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there and when that individual gets them there and they want to make

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changes to the name and the kit, they are hostage to fortune and that

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individual. We have an ongoing problem with overseas owners, not

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necessarily all of them, but there is a different conception as to what

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football means and the legacy and the supporters and the history that

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goes through their families, which is understood by people who have

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grown up with it, but not by chairman and owners who have come in

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in the last few years. Changing Cardiff's kit to read went down

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badly with many fans. They did not complain when they went into the

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Premier League. I think they are still complaining. They are happy to

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be in the Premier League, but they are upset at their heritage being

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taken away. It is about foreign owners against British owners.

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Southhampton's owners it is talked about them is how to do it. We all

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agreed that they are good owners. It is hard for the Premier League. This

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guy, his biographical background is a working-class lad made good. You

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cannot apply a fit and proper person test to somebody like this. Money

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makes the rules, that is what is happening. Good afternoon, Phil. It

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looks like a glorious afternoon in whole. Do you have sympathy with the

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whole city fans and the fact they want to stay as Hull city and not

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the Tigers? I think so. It is a strange atmosphere at the stadium at

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the moment. It is not one where you come to the stadium on a match day

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and you expect that level of excitement and expectancy. It is not

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really in the air at the moment. There is an animosity in the air at

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the moment if truth be known. I have got a few fans who have said things

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to me walking from the car park into the media room. I was given the

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information about the article in the Independent and it is quite scary

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and scandalous, if truth be known. These owners who come into the game,

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and you have mentioned a few and John Motson makes a great point,

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about being fit and proper, but not understanding the heritage of

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football in this country. It is not just the heritage in the Premier

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League and of making money because the Premier League provides that, it

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is about understanding the needs of the fans. You cannot say what this

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guy said. It is totally not proper. The hard part of this where Steve

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Bruce is concerned is he has two prepare for a Premier League game

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and I have been told by many experienced managers who tell me how

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to manage, it is managing up as opposed to managing down. It is not

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just managing the players, it is managing the guys above you. What

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does Steve Bruce do? You know in his heart of hearts that the wrong thing

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has been said and he has two get that message across. Howell have

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made a decent start to the season and they are going into a game

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against Liverpool and they want the crowd to be on their side for that

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game because they will need the crowd. They do not want the crowd

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concentrating on picking a fight with the owner, which understandably

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a lot of them will be doing today. Absolutely. That is 1,000,000%. All

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I can do is draw on my experiences when we have this wonderful club in

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the Premier League. It has been said a million times about every other

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club and the 12th man, but the supporters kept this club in the

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Premier League in the first season. If you did not have the supporters,

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there was no chance of the club surviving in that league that

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season. It is a great point. It has to be understood from all the

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factions, the people that are in charge, and it is the last thing

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that Steve Bruce needs, to have a distraction and to come out and play

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in a difficult game against Liverpool. Three points today and

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that would be 17 points from 12 or 13 games and you are almost halfway

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there in terms of your survival campaign and it is an important game

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and the 12th man is so important. Enjoy the game. If you are a proper

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supporter and you feel so strongly about it, you protest like mad

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before the game, then you get behind your team, and if you want to

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protest after the game you go and protest. The atmosphere might be

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interesting. There are plans for a real banner campaign, city until we

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die and the rest of it. They will not allow banners. They tried to

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take one down last week. Some kind of flair went off and it was kicking

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off in the crowd. There is a good column on the Independent on Sunday,

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forgive the promotion! The columnist said forget renaming the club, take

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the shirt sponsor a way which only brings about 2 million quid to the

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club and put Tigers on the front of the shirt. What more do you need? I

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remember what Phil said. I remember how at Old Trafford the last time

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and what an atmosphere. He is so right about the fans, they made an

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incredible noise. To jeopardise that is daft. In my opinion he has

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written a load of nonsense on the Rugby league World Cup, but this

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column on Hull city is good. Loads of comets have come in on Facebook.

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Not just from fans either. This man owns the football club, but he does

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not own the city and he needs kicking out. Tell your hard-core,

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most loyal customers to die. Genius. Hull city will always be Hull city.

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Foreign ownership is killing our clubs. As Ian Herbert pointed out,

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you cannot throw them all in together, foreign owners, because

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Southhampton and Manchester City do an awful lot for that community. I

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do not disagree with any of that. But there will come a day when 14 of

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the 20 clubs would be under foreign ownership. It might not be far away.

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That is two thirds. At that point they can vote for things and carry

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them. Like relegation. That is your fear but mine is that we might play

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in Hong Kong! They tried to bring in the 39th game. Do you share those

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fears? Khuram Sheikh I do not think I feel so strongly about that as

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John and Mark. I would imagine, and I do not know the detail, but it

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does, I do agree that this does reveal to us all that some of these

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owners just have the fans over a barrel. At Cardiff, he was saying

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can we have more goals from long range and more throw wins? There was

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talk that too much had been plagued for Madal. Good luck. -- had been

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paid. It is half-time at White Hart Lane. Once each. Tottenham will be

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kicking themselves for not having taken their chances in this first

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half. Carol Walker in particular will be kicking himself for the goal

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they conceded. Wayne Rooney stabbed it into the roof of the net. Mark

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Bright, which way do you see this one going? I can only see it going

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one way. Manchester United. Spurs have had numerous opportunities.

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They created more opportunities than anyone else in the Premier league,

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the convert one goal every 20 chances. The scored a goal early in

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the game then started to drop deep. Manchester United slightly

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vulnerable, they could have had a try for another goal. The defending

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was really sloppy. The ball was knocked down to Rooney and then in

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the back of the net. Problem missing chances. Manchester United had one

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good one and he stuck it in the back of the net. Good day when this and

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close the gap? I think so. The performance Suarez is in at the

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moment. Manchester City against Swansea, you have got to wish

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Swansea good luck. They have to keep the score down to something less

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than six! I am going to cover that game after I finish here. Manchester

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United average for her game. The problem is not just trying to cater

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for that but there are two main strikers are now injured. I think

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Manchester City are probably going to roll them over. I do not mean

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that as any disrespect to Swansea. They have played quite well away

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from home this season. They played well against Valencia. There are

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contrast in strikers. The main man has slipped under the radar as one

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of the most phenomenal signings of the summer. He is a good provider

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from the right. He plays white. And he has got the partner up there.

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We'd asked of them are still playing with one, really. It is the speed of

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things, the momentum. Arsenal will be a real taste of where they are

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at. Voting has closed. I will give you the results. If they kiss the

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badge the first week there is nothing going for them. It should be

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under what circumstances did you leave the club. If they booted you

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out you are bound to celebrate. If I had BBS subsections in her it would

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have taken up all the time. -- previous subsections. Just on the

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two upfront then. We touched on this on Wednesday night, do you think

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modern day centre haves are used to coping with two upfront, the strike

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partnership? They are defenders and that is the way it is. You have got

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to be able to call. Fullbacks come in. There is absolutely no excuse.

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If they cannot, they are not good enough. We are talking every week

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about Martin being under pressure. I will just take one newspaper at

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random. The Observer sports section says Jolt admits the future is not

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in his hands. Everything I have read about the Fulham owner is that he is

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not trigger-happy. Here's more inclined in his other sports

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franchises to give the guy a goal. All that is said about the players

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on the bench. Can you imagine the discussion when they brought him in?

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It would be amazing to know. It would be great to hear what they

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were saying to the players on the bench yesterday. Presumably as a

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player the dynamic would be the boss is no longer the box. The thing

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about Fulham yesterday for me is that the performance was pathetic.

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Martin Youghal is one of the good guys but he cannot last a couple of

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more games. Scott Parker was asked about the fighting mentality within

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the squad. I could see what he was trying to say to be convincing in

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certain areas. There was not time but I would have liked to hear more

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from Danny Murphy about Fulham. He was an integral part of the side

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that played very well since 2001. The team has now been chopped and

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changed, they have seven different players to the ones that were

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playing two years ago. I am not sure it is a unit that will have what it

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takes. There is a very big fixture this week, Fulham versus Tottenham.

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There are one or two players in the team who are economical with the

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effort. If you are manager you will turn around and ask about them. They

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are the problem. The big difference yesterday was when it came to the

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substitutions and who they could bring on. Alan Dyce was going in

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with a cloud hanging over his head. The players all made a massive

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difference. I think they have got some fight about them. They did not

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look like that the week before when two substitutions were made five

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minutes before half-time and Joe Cole looked as angry as I have seen

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him in modern times. West Ham beating Fulham and Norwich beating

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Crystal Palace, those points make a big difference even at this stage.

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Talk about West Ham as you wear for a second, it is almost like waiting

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for Godot. Nobody seems to know when the best player is going to come

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back. If anybody is going to buy in January it is surely going to be

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Fulham trying to get a striker. You have got to spend to stay in the

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Premier league. I was about to say. They will have to spend. Andy

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Carroll is about to start training? About to, yes. Culture! It is

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something we have got in the fridge! Now looking at a Spanish teenager.

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He is an enormous talent. We always knew it would take time for him to

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get used to the physicality of the British league. He has shown in his

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last two performances that he wants to help the team. David discipline.

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-- there is discipline. You can see when he gets on the ball that the

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code gets excited and something can happen. It highlighted that there is

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a bit of depth. There are two things about Roberto Martinez. He has done

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brilliantly in terms of loans in and transfers in and out. When he

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started they probably had a few too many passes. Straightaway he

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realised all Donny minute, play a little further up. He has got his

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rewards. Everton are a good side. One or two of them might be going

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back. Say sure. That is the only thing. They will have to see if they

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can replace them. After what Rosie Marie Newell said on Friday. --

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Jose-Maria Neill. Yes, and what is his relationship with these players?

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Ross Berkley I thought in the Merseyside derby. The only question

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for me is when they are up against it a little bit more against tougher

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opposition, do they have a plan B? They have got United in the week.

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They have got the Leighton Baines situation to deal with as well, in

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terms of injury. In Manchester someone said isn't celebrating a

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goal or not celebrating it this respectful to the team you are

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playing for? Someone else says it is a ridiculous question! You cannot

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legislate for feelings, how deeply celebrates is down to how he feels

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that the time. The question is should a player celebrate when

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scoring against his former club. 40% said yes, 60% said they should not.

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Fax for watching and listening, goodbye. -- thanks

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