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Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra, we live this lunchtime

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on BBC Two, Radio 5 Live and on the BBC Sport website. There are some

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huge games in the Premier League across the afternoon, including

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Manchester United against Arsenal, we will analyse where it could be

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won and lost at Old Trafford. Spurs against Newcastle is just getting

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under way, we will have regular updates from White Hart Lane, and we

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will discuss that late penalty at Stamford Bridge, the fallout from

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Chelsea against West Brom, and the other major issues from yesterday.

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With me, former England and Arsenal centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan

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Pearce, who will be centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan

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Arsenal go into this game with no pressure on them and all on the

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hosts? I would not say that, since the start of the season when they

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lost against Aston Villa, there has been huge pressure on them, and it

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is no different now. They are growing as a group, and there is a

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gut feeling around that this could be there yet, but today will tell us

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a lot about that, because Manchester United will see this as a chance to

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wipe out all that has gone before, a great opportunity for them, but also

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for Arsenal to go there and enjoy the occasion. Plenty more on that

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much to come, you were at Anfield yesterday, Liverpool's success

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awful's failure? Gerard was exceptional, Suarez was magnificent,

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but Fulham were dreadful. I felt sorry for people like Scott Parker

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in midfield, trying to get things going, too many lightweight players,

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and on the going, too many lightweight players,

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Ashley Cole, who has missed the last two games, and I cannot rumba the

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last time that happened when he was fit, and that has implications for

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England, because there is fierce competition from Leighton Baines,

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and he played the last two World Cup qualifiers, so it is a big decision

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for Roy Hodgson. He has backed Joe Hart, no doubt what he will do

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there, but the Ashley Cole call is a big one. Lots to discuss, the show

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is going to last an hour on 5 Live and on the sport website, half an

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hour on BBC Two, then on the red button. It's the red button at half

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past 12 and you will be able to continue watching. One Premier

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League game is already under way at White Hart Lane, Spurs against

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Newcastle. John Southall will be keeping us up to date. Good

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afternoon, 0-0, two minutes played, keeping us up to date. Good

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medical staff and he's not ready, it is a precaution, but he is sitting

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in front of us among the substitutes. He is not involved this

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afternoon, so it is a difficult situation for Tottenham and for

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their manager. Early stages here, three minutes gone, a bright start

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from Tottenham, 0-0. Thank you very much. Focusing on the four o'clock

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game, you will be able to hear it live on Radio 5 Live, Manchester

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United against Arsenal, before we delve into it, the thought of the

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managers, starting with Arsene Wenger, who has responded to Wayne

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Rooney's comments that Arsenal have faded after Christmas. Usually, I

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think, after Christmas, we have been very strong every season. And for

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the rest, the comments are the comments, nobody knows what will

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happen in the future, comments, nobody knows what will

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now, at the top of the league, so I think their form at the start of the

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season has been very good, and they will come here in good spirit. But

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we have had some growing momentum, and we will look to put up a good

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show. It is, for us, a very, very important game, because we have come

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out with two strong results against Liverpool and Tottenham, and of

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course we want to do well again. We have confidence, that what is at

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stake is consistency at the top level for us and to be capable to

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repeat the performances we had in our last two games, that is what is

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at stake, and that will certainly as well be very important for the

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future for our team. Arsene Wenger and David Moyes there. The back page

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of the Sun has an interview with Mesut Ozil, where he says,

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is is boot sponsor, no, well done to the Sun to get that interview. It is

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11 points between Arsenal and United if Arsenal win, so that would be a

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monumental effort for United. I think people say it is early days,

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but I don't think that, we have had a quarter of the season, and I think

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although United would never give up on the leader, they will try to make

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sure that they are in the Champions League places. So, yeah, I will

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stick my neck on the line and say, if Arsenal win today, I do not think

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United will catch them. If you look at the big teams, they have flunked

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those tests, Man United. The big tests that Arsenal have had, well,

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they beat Liverpool and had a big win during the week. If Manchester

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United lose this game, there will be the biggest gap between them and the

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top play side at this stage of the season since 2005. I do not think

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they will season since 2005. I do not think

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are playing just as much against him as he worked against Manchester

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United. They have lost some of that or going into that called of 76,000

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people, it is a difficult environment. -- called run. Arsenal

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have been a difficult pressure situations, and I think they will

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cope adequately. Do you think it will be a cauldron this afternoon?

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You could argue that the Arsenal team you played were a lot easier to

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aid for Manchester United fans, but in many ways that is what I am

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saying. It was probably a lot easier to give you abuse than Meta --

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Mertesacker. There is a newness and a freshness in this Arsenal side,

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and the Premiership and bet for Manchester United but

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Koscielny has been intermittent spawn. I cannot see a way through.

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Rooney does remember those grudge matches, so does Ferdinand, and

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Arsenal have passed some big tests, but not against Rooney, who has

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scored 12 goals against them, that great goal against Everton when he

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was 16, he was involved in the penalty incident that brought the

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end of the invincible is run. Arsenal have never forgotten him for

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that one. It is about reading scripts on the day of the game,

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trying to work out what is going to happen, and someone wants to hone in

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on Rooney, because he wants to be the Special One. Van Persie needs to

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prove he made the right decision. The future is looking very good for

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Arsenal, is it looking good for Man United? How key is Mathieu flower

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mini? Without him, better teams than Norwich and Crystal Palace might

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have got something Norwich and Crystal Palace might

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Arsenal's kids exposed the floors in 30's legacy, talking about how

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Arsenal signed a lot of kids to five-year deals. -- exposed the

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flaws in 30's legacy. There was criticism of Arsene Wenger for not

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making the big marquee signing, but they were signing their British

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based on long-term contracts, and that has formed the basis, to an

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extent, of the team they have got at the moment. Where I would disagree

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with David issue if you take the characters that he say have left

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United, talking about Morrison, they had huge problems with them, they

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pinched Gerard Pique from Barcelona and he wanted to go back. He has

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given the lie to the theory that if you leave Manchester United, it is

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downhill from there. you leave Manchester United, it is

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through the system. But what they have done in the last few years is

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they have bought British players, Aaron Ramsey they pinched from

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United. United thought they had him, then bang made a big effort, flew

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him out to Switzerland. -- banger. They are getting the rewards for

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that. Signing all these new contracts, they can really compete.

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Mesut Ozil coming in, I think there will be that sort of marquee signing

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each time. There may be an opportunity in the transfer window

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to do that, although Arsene Wenger does not like to accept the harmony

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in the group. He will not want to take anything away from Olivier

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Giroud. But you can see how one player can... It seemed like

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everyone wanted to leave Arsenal, but now everybody wants to play,

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like there is great enjoyment. He is able to create an X Factor when the

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team is doing well that is second to able to create an X Factor when the

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managers denied admits out, they will be stronger next season, so

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will Chelsea. -- because if Manchester United miss out. We are

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off BBC Two at half 12, so hit the red button to keep watching us, we

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are also on Radio 5 Live. It is still goalless at White Hart Lane

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between Spurs and Newcastle. Chelsea 2, West Brom 2, that was banks to a

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very, very late penalty from Eden Hazard after Steven Reid was

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adjudged to have fouled Ramirez. We can get reaction from Stamford

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Bridge, Jose Mourinho in a moment, after we hear from him. My arms were

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by my side, he was keen to get the penalty. I watched on the screen,

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two or three times, and it was a clear penalty, the same way it was

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two or three times, and it was a European football. Well, you are all

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laughing at his comments there! Let's deal with the penalty, yes or

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no? No. Let's move on! As far as Chelsea are concerned, some

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interesting analysis on Match Of The Day last night about how narrow they

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are, how they are not getting runners around the back of the

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fences. Yes, he has got Hazard, the same sort of players, getting those

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talented players to work a lot harder, I think. He has made the

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team or difficult to beat, the last couple of results have not gone for

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them in the league, but I do not think they have got any natural

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width, and I think they missed Torres. I will be battered on

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Twitter for this, but I think they miss him. There has been a goal at

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White Hart Lane, John Southall. Tottenham gave the ball away in the

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centre circle, you want Tottenham gave the ball away in the

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through by Gouffran, a Newcastle side who are dressed like Brazil at

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White Hart Lane! Hugo Lloris would have been out on that like lightning

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with the extra suite at the back. Loic Remy switches from his right

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foot to his left and exposes Tottenham. It is difficult to read

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Tottenham, you think they have turned a corner, they lost at West

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Ham recently. As far as going back to Chelsea, though, would you agree

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with Jonathan, who might get hammered on Twitter for this, that

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they miss Fernando Torres? Mourinho is trying to evolve, he plays Damien

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Duff and Robin as wide players, now you have got Hazard coming off the

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line, so football has changed and evolved, it is about your midfield

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players. He is adapting, but talking about Ashley Cole not playing, it is

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like a political move to say, about Ashley Cole not playing, it is

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yesterday, that was very lucky. They are asking if Quetta is being turned

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into a left-back by Mourinho? Are there other factors at play? Add

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other factors to dropping Ashley Cole? There is an element of

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control, he has been fined, he tried to get him when he was at Real

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Madrid, suffer him to drop Ashley Cole for two games is a big deal. --

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so for him. Quetta is right footed, if he comes on the inside, that is a

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concern. But he spoke about Toros as well, we always say we miss his

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physicality, because he is quite a small, light attacking side. He did

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not want Tara is to start as his first choice, I was with

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not want Tara is to start as his have to do my best with him. You

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feel with Mourinho, his attitude is, we only have one chance to do

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it, he is really focused, Fernando Torres, you have to say, he gets

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more from them that he ever has, he is playing with real hunger at the

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moment. He has got difficulties that Chelsea try to be number one again.

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It is a difficult dressing room, and he is laying down the law. To come

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back to Ashley Cole again, if they are looking to get them, the

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forwards to drifting, so why does he not have him on there? They missed

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him yesterday, massively, it is a mistake. But it could be about egos,

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Chelsea is a difficult dressing room. The English lads are

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completely sidelined, it is more Fernando Torres, and last year, it

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was Fernando Torres, and last year, it

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power for some of the others. They are a team with an outstanding

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manager, both them and Arsenal have the managers that have done it

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before, and is uncertainty in the Premiership, and those two groups is

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probably have the best chance of winning. We are about to have an

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international rate with Chile and India for England, the important

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thing is looking at Ashley Cole on the Chelsea team. Ashley Cole had a

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fantastic England career, and he will go to the World Cup if he is

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fit, but because the games are spread out my things change from one

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match to the other, and with international careers, they do not

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end as people would like them to. In England's case, they often do not

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end with a trophy! But some people think, I've finished now and I will

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be there at this point, but places, and go quickly.

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be there at this point, but places, being put in, for instance. He just

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feels fantastic at the moment. We see it coming out in his game. It is

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development. It takes the English players longer. Lallana was one,

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every time you saw him, he made something happen, and stout is

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really controlling the games. Do you think Ashley Cole could play three

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games next summer? For England? I do. He is a winner. He will play.

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The point is, if he gets an injury, do we need Kieran Gibbs to have some

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runouts to get experience for the future? He doesn't have to play.

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Rooney, he doesn't have to play, but we feel that he does. Leighton

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Baines is an adequate replacement. You can

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Nevin is that the Stadium Of Light. Lots of discussion at the moment on

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the best strike partnership in the Premier league, I want to know, do

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you see Negredo and were is our partnership? Or is where to doing

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more than being a foil for Negredo? They can work together, but Aguero

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has a lot to work with. You also have the likes of Yaya Toure eight,

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but Negredo and Aguero work well together. It is less clear cut with

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Negredo and Aguero. Looking at the teams this season, there were the

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five teams this season, there were the

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that? Or other other problems when you look back at the games? Yes, we

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chatted before Manchester City and Chelsea and the reckons that a is

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with feedback area, which is fine, but that's not would be the big

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problem today. But it is not the Negredo, Aguero partnership, but it

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was a big surprise at Stamford Bridge when Manchester City turned

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up and Pellegrini did not start those two players. It almost said to

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me, he was not brave enough on that occasion. If you look at what

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Manchester City have done in the last few weeks, it is unbelievable

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that he should be afraid of anyone. You should go for it. If you want to

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win titles, you have got to go for it, so I hope that's Negredo and

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Aguero will start today and their it, so I hope that's Negredo and

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more on Sunderland. Is that important in this one? -- is daddy

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important in this one? I am a very big fan of silver, and also Aguero.

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If you have got the likes of Nasri to bring in, they should be able to

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cope with it against Sunderland. Thank you. Updates on BBC Radio five

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Live and Match Of The Day two later. You see silly mistakes, I can

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understand why Joleon Lescott has not been in that side longer. Garcia

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is good on that side. Lescott would give more experience. Miller needs

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to be in certain games when they give more experience. Miller needs

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invest. I think their problem, Pat is talking about the tactics,

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against Chelsea, they did not want to play two upfront. I thought that

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was a good call. They packed the midfield, but Garcia in midfield was

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not quite at the level. They have had other excellent additions in the

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squad, but I think Aguero is the standout player. They will play two

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up front today, there is no reason not to. Is Aguero nigh on importance

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to market, given the way he moves. Negredo, you can see that, he is at

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the front of the system, you can deal with him. It is more a case of

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two up front, if the central defenders are not facing, it is

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usually one player and one arriving from deep. One going short, one

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running in from behind, it is difficult to pick up. When Aguero

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has difficult to pick up. When Aguero

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few seasons ago. We are joined by Sam Wallace, Martin Keown and

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Jonathan Pearce. Let's talk to somebody that is heavily involved in

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the utterly's game, three points for Norwich against West Ham, their

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crucial second goal was scored by Robert Snodgrass, and he joins us

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now. Thank you for talking to us. Let's deal with the important thing

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is, your team-mates are obsessed on Twitter about your beard! I think it

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is the size of my nose, to be honest! Not my beard! You spoke

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about the number of meetings that you have had in the last few weeks

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to try and turn things around, what have you been saying in those

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meetings as a group of players? I think we're doing the right things.

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We are playing with a high tempo, we're passing the ball,

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We are playing with a high tempo, team-mates. Jonathan here, I did the

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game at Manchester City last week, you were not playing, because you

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had the head injury, but that was the most unlike Norwich in

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capitulation, can you speak about what happened? We had a brief

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meeting on the game, but they took all their chances. I do not speaking

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about a game when you do not play in it, because you do not want to

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criticise team-mates, but it was unlike Norwich because we worked

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very hard, and he had a good team effort. We had great character. That

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is what we have come up through the lower leagues with. It just wasn't

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like Norwich. The manager knew that. He put it to bed early doors. It was

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one of those games. As a footballer, brought in a lot of you to the club,

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and the fans, certain sections of the fans had been given him a bit of

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stick. Yes, when you see how hard the boys are working, the staff are

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working behind-the-scenes, it is hurtful. Even when we play against

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Cardiff, I thought we were a better side, by far the better side. The

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goalkeeper got Man of the Match, and the fans are giving stick and

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booing. I think it comes to added pressure with a bigger budget and a

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bigger spend this year. That is always the case. You do not get

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along time in the Premier League if you do not get the results, so the

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fans were obviously sensing the frustration, and it pays off to have

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good players, that is when men with character puff their chest out, and

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that is what we did yesterday. Their play to the boys, we got a good

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second result and three points. assume? Yes. I cannot really

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remember much about it! I just member the doctor at me. I had

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remember much about it! I just coming out of my mouth, I can a much

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about it. -- foam. The goalkeeper as well, he looked after me. But it is

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a situation well, he looked after me. But it is

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to the medical side, they know best. They test you every day to see how

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you are feeling. Over the next few days after that, you fill out

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markers to see how you are feeling every day. I believe that is the

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case with all footballers. Thank you for joining us and for being so

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