20/10/2013 MOTD2 Extra

Hello, welcome to Match of the Day 2s, this Sunday lunchtime. We are

coming live from Villa Park ahead of Aston Villa against Spurs. The only

Sunday fixture today, you can watch us as ever on BBC One or on the BBC

sport website or listen to us on BBC Radio 5 Live. My three guests this

afternoon, include former Aston Villa striker among many other clubs

Dion Dublin, we have BBC football company Tay Guy Mowbray and Andy

Dunn from the Sunday Mirror. We are going to look back at yesterday's

games, we want your thoughts as well. Big game for your former club

this afternoon? Yes, it is important they try and start to get

consistency, two second halves I think they have their work cut out.

They have to be on the gape, we know Defoe likes playing at Villa Park so

two centre halves will be key. I said a big game for his former club,

but it is a big game for Spurs, given what happened in their last

league game. That defeat against West Ham is the most shocking result

of the season so far. Villa have lost 4-0 the last twice Spurs have

been here and last time had their pants pulled down. It will be a bit

different today. Much closer game than that. But they will be glad to

see Jermaine Defoe is on the bench. That is one of the things that AVB

has to be grabble with. He has won every time he has put out a team, he

has a wealth of resource, Defoe came in the capital cup, ran Villa ragged

and then found himself on the bench. It's a question of AVB getting it

right. Now the pressure is on him. We will get the thoughts from

everybody on the conundrum there after we hear from the Spurs

manager. We had the chance to be first on

that weekend, so you know, that, that definitely was a call to

attention for us, comes along with, with unpredictable this league is,

we end up being sixth, the distance two the first is three points, so

everything is completely open this season, but it shows that you know,

this surprise results can happen, it happen, it has happened to other

teams, it happened to us, and we felt very disappointed. I think what

Villa and doing and the results they have been getting, they sit solidly

at tenth place. They don't have that pressure. They started poorly. They

look more comfortable, they look more a team, I think Paul Lambert is

a credit for the amount of youngsters he is bringing through,

also, and and I see them, you know, stepping, you know, stepping up and

being there challenging for European places in the end. Do you agree with

Guy it was the most shocking result of the season? Andre Villas-Boas did

say it has happened to other sides already this season. Yes, but not

that emphatically. The nature of the score line was emphatic. They didn't

really get in behind West Ham. You would expect the side of Spurs

quality, when you you are talking about players, and we have been

saying how good Christian Eriksen has started. They didn't create that

many chances in that game, that is a worry for him.y, think it was the

most shocking result of the season. It will be in their minds. If you

would have looked at the game and said if they can nick a point, the

word is emphatic. Spurs were blown out of the water, and, West Ham

deserved the plaudits they got after that. Spurs have to never less that

-- let that happen again. Don't get embarrassed. Not to a local rival.

Andre Villas-Boas will want that embedded in the players' heads,

remember that and use it and go forward. If you are a Spurs fan we

would love to know what you think. Andre Villas-Boas isn't the first

Spurs manager with this tackty tal conundrum, of, although he has

probably got a greater squad of players to pick from, but they do

seem, they do seem to lack width at the moment. We say lack width. They

have Andros Townsend flying, of course, Gareth Bale has gone, that

is the big miss. I think, it might be controversial they are a gaerment

now he has gone and no so reliant on one player, they have so many star

player, maybe that is the problem for him. We were talking a few

moments, about Townsend, he probably wouldn't have been getting a game

for Spurs, let alone England had Gareth Bale been there. He has

option, it is the best ones, it is not a bad problem for him to have.

With Townsend, you don't know what he is going to do. Do you, do you

want him to go down the line and get the box. He tends to cut inside a

hell of a lot. As we spoke about it, Lennon is the one that goes left,

and crosses it, you don't know what to do with Townsend. As a forward do

you think do I go in or not? That is why I think Tottenham fans were so

surprised, we have seen many times he tends to cut inside, you are

right. I think they look round and they don't quite know what to

expect. His colleagues from what he is going to dough. The debate

between sol Dr Doe and Jermaine Defoe will continue in the same way,

you go back 12 month it was Adebayor. He is not even in the

picture. It is what the teams at the top, Arsenal have it as well. I

think Spurs is have it, they have more than one option for every

position, we have said about Lennon and Townsend, you have Defoe and

Soldado. They are different players in the same position, so depending

on who you are up against, what a great problem to have. Kevin

Armstrong, Liam Shakespeare who have sent in tweets and text, where will

Aston Villa finish? They will be top ten. If they do, if they do better

than top ten, they will have exceeded expectation, last season

hay were woeful, they were shocking, fighting relegation last year, now

this year they will have to be strong and stable and get in the top

ten and build from there. What is the different -- difference this

season? Confidence. That is a big thing. The players, when I watch

them play they want to get the ball. They seem happier. I have said this

many tile, if your players are smiling and happy, you are going to

get a well drilled football team. They have the manager, they know

what he want, and what he expects, and they are delivering that. It

shows how good the manager is. It takes managers and player to adjust.

It has taken Delph, a couple of years to get to the stage where he

is an influential force in the team. That is what happened who younger

player, the Premier League, it applies to coaches as well. It takes

them a year, maybe two to become accustomed to it and no what is

required. They grew into the season, they were better in the second half.

They had a new Mag manager as well. It took him time to get used to his

batch of new player, the maturity factor, we have discussed this with

Aaron Ramsey, that win over Morgan Amalfitano -- Manchester City the

average age was 24 of that team and there wasn't one player, even

approach ing 30. Just quickly, because whenever you talk Villa,

everybody texts in questions about Christian Benteke but do other

players go under the radar? We know how good he is, as a player who is

possibly in the shadow of bent tech, Weimann is a player who will say I

will take you take the limelight. I will continue do my job. It works

well for him. It is always the big strikers that get the attention? I

strikers that get the attention I don't know what you mean. I was

centre half. Your legs had gone Someone told me someone scored two

on his debut with Spurs? No idea. We will come on to one of your goals

later on. It is on Match of the Day 2 tonight, you can listen to it live

of course, on BBC Radio 5 Live from 4.00 this afternoon. Let us talk

about yesterday's games, with will start with the game at Old Trafford.

Manchester United 1 Southampton 1. Reaction from there comes courtesy

of David Moyes. We had pockets of play that were good. There were

other periods where we weren't so good. It was a chance that

Southampton could create something. The moments we had, you were hoping

one would go in. If we had a second goal we would have put the game to

bed. 1-0 is a dangerous result. A great point for us, he rode our luck

at times. We could have nicked it at the end and taken all three. Great

credit to the lads. A great result getting a point at Old Trafford

Dionne was passing Andy Dunn a fiver for bringing up the two goals

against Spurs. Let us start with you, you were at Old Trafford. You

said to me before we game came on air, there was a sense in the last

20 minutes round the ground, that they might not be able to hang on.

It wasn't so much that, the sense of unease was the feeling that Moyes

was protecting a 1-0 lead and that is a phenomenon that they are not

used to. United at home don't protect a 1-0 lead, they build on

it. There was this feeling that, the manager here, the way he has set up,

and the substitutions late on, when he brought Smalling on, and it

looked like they were trying to hold on to 1-0. I can understand that to

a certain extent, because he wants victories at the moment. He needs to

get wins and points on the board. But all the same, it was an anathema

round the ground. They are thinking we are hanging on to a 1-0 lead,

against a team we would normally expect to beat. It was the

commentary on Five Live, I have to say, that was the thing that stood

out, when Ian Dennis said Rooney is coming off and Smalling is coming

on. Southampton when their last season Sir Alex Ferguson said it was

the best visiting performance from a side at Old Trafford that season;

but it was that defensive substitution that I think raised the

eyebrows. Southampton are a good team, but this is Manchester United

at home, when they should be beating anybody, that comes to Old Trafford.

I just think David Moyes is going to ride with this and roll with it for

some time. It is playing into the hands of those of us who said before

the start of the season is difficulty he is going to be

managing Manchester United differently to how he managed

Everton. You can't manage the two clubs the same, there is a different

level of expectation, no disrespect to Everton. That substitution played

into the hand of those who say that is what he is doing. There is a

different feel though, smaller clubs, they are going to Old

Trafford thinking hold on, we have seen this happen before, let us have

a go at them. Let us be on the front foot. Let them see what we have got.

Now they are going to Manchester United, and having a go. The players

of Manchester United have never experienced that before, so they are

on the back foot and they don't know how to deal with being on the back

foot. Alex, I was going to ask you a deep question. Alex says do you

think Moyes will change United or will United change him? That is

complicated for a Sunday lunchtime. I think Moyes will change the way,

you know, the way United play. He will change it into to a side the

way he wants it to play. It won t will change it into to a side the

way he wants it to play. It won't be Sir Alex Ferguson side. That will

take a lot of time. The fact of the matter, going back, it connects with

that point, going back to what Dionne say, the problem Moyes has,

team, I struggle to believe this but teams are lifted by the fact Sir

Alex Ferguson is not sat there on the bench. I find that fascinating.

It is 11 versus 11, but Gareth Bale, we were at a dinner and his said

teams will go, they will go there, Tottenham at the time, teams will go

there and they will be be physically lifted by the fact Fergie is not on

the bench. I said you are a professional footballer, what

difference does it make? As a player who has played at Old Trafford, you

sometimes lose the game before you get off the coach, because you are

such in awe of the stadium and the players you will play against. The

cars in the car park, I think managers, I think you are bang on,

managers can be the same, Fergie is not there any more so you think I

have a chance. We are playing a David Moyes team rather than

Manchester United. We said this before. To that is a season in

transition it is the biggest transition any club in our era has

known, after 26 years and the Chief Executive going, the whole club is

different. Other clubs will be going there and thinking we will never

have a better chance. Why have Southampton down well so far? We saw

it last season. We saw it in that game at Old Trafford. Southampton

were unlucky not to come way with something from it. He has gradually

got them playing better and better. He has his own passing style, some

of his own player, the players were there. The likes of Lallana.

Snideling. You wonder why he was in League One. He is a Premier League

player born. Tony Pulis said he is the most computer midfielder in the

Premier League. That doesn't necessarily mean the best, but the

most computer midfielder. yesterday, he was outstanding and he's what we

would call an old-fashioned box to box midfielder. There are not many

like him in the Premier League. What Pochettino has done is the fitness

levels, the work ethic of Southampton team. It reminds me of

the way football is going, 21st century football with this high

pressing game. They were pressing United, there was no time on the

ball for Michael Carrick or Fellaini or the centre halves, even the

fallbacks. It is the pressing game but we have seen from Barcelona in

the past and Pochettino is doing it. There was a contrast in the pace and

the power and the speed of the Southampton midfield compared to the

Manchester United midfield duo of Michael Carrick and Fellaini. I

think it is energy, they want to play the way the manager is asking

them to play. On Morgan Schneiderlin, why he is having such

a good season is he's making good decisions, he is choosing the right

options, when he can go box to box, the Paris where he can put someone

in, keeping it simple. -- the past. He makes the decisions. He makes the

right decisions. Gelano goes and Schneiderlin comes past. I thought

it was the Hollywood past. It is the Diadora pass, are used to be

sponsored by Diadora. Let's go to Stamford Bridge, Chelsea beating

Cardiff and as you know, Chelsea scored a hugely controversial

equaliser after Samuel Eto'o took the ball of the Cardiff goalkeeper

Marshall. Here are the thoughts of Malky Mackay. I have been in to see

the linesman and the referee for clarification. Our goalkeeper

bounced the ball. He saw the player standing there and he bounced the

ball. The referee is saying that at the time, he heard from his linesman

but the goalkeeper dropped the ball, so I asked for clarification of the

rule. They said that if the goalkeeper had bounced the ball, it

was a foul. I have looked at it again and he obviously bounces the

ball, because he knows that ghetto is standing there. So obviously

there has been a huge mistake that Rankin is that Samuel Eto'o is

standing there. Andy Dunn, you have shown a remarkable knowledge of the

goalkeeping rules even prior to yesterday. It was a mistake by the

officials. It was an aberration, one officials. It was an aberration one

of those mistakes that you cannot account for. It isn't that he

doesn't know the rules, he wouldn't get through the basic grades without

knowing that rule, so it is just overlooked for one reason or

another. knowing that rule, so it is just

overlooked for one reason or The referee is probably not looking. He

has then thought, hang on, has a word with the assistant referee who

hasn't been observant enough either and for some reason, he has given

the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Alan Shearer looked at

this on Match of the Day last night and highlighted that Anthony Taylor

looked in a different direction is Marshall was bouncing the ball. That

is his prerogative, but his assistant referee was my job is to

stay level with the goalkeeper and watch the goalkeeper until the ball

is released -- the assistant referee's job. It is an honest,

horrible mistake. Nothing has been done on purpose and the benefit of

the doubt, if any, has devoted the attacking team. I got in touch with

a goalkeeper friend of mine just to ask why feel the need to bounce the

ball? They all do it, but why do they do it? Is it habit, is it

nerves? He said it is habit, you get it and you bounce it. Even with

someone next year. He did say you wouldn't do it if Samuel Eto'o is

stirred by your side. David Marshall has said it is his mistake. Due

member with Gary Crosby and Andy Dibble years ago, the rule was

changed very subtly -- do you remember. Danny and Scott, I'm going

to read your messages. Did Dion not feel a little bit guilty when he

took the ball off Shay given when he played the commentary? Does he feel

it is not sporting what Samuel Eto'o did, because he did the same thing?

It is genius, I don't feel sorry one bit! The ball is in the back of the

net. If the ball is out of your contact you cannot be in control of

the ball, that is my opinion. contact you cannot be in control of

the ball, that is my Shay given rolled the ball out with a bitter

backspin as goalkeepers do. He got it when he wanted to stop, where was

perfect for me, and I ran around him and put it in the back of the net.

You cannot be in control of the ball if you of not physically holding

it. If the rule is that, the goal shouldn't have stood, but I think it

was genius of Samuel Eto'o. The joke at the time was Shay given is the

only Irishman who doesn't know where Dublin is! From playing point of

view, when you are leading a big club like that, and they had a

decent start, did Cardiff, does it change your mentality when you

concede a goal which you feel ought not to have been given? It

shouldn't. There is obviously an element of disappointment, you think

that you were on the front foot and element of disappointment, you think

that you were on the doing OK, and the goalkeeper, David Marshall, who

I played with at Celtic, he will hold his hand up and say it was his

mistake, let's regroup. It does set you back a little bit and your plans

have gone out the window slightly, because you do not plan for that, so

you do get setback, it is hard to come back. One other bit of

controversy was Jose Mourinho getting sent to the stand after

losing his cool, to put it politely. Here is the assistant first-team

coach Steve Holland. I am not certain exactly what occurred, but

they kicked the ball out for us to take a throw in and they kicked the

ball right into the corner flag which the young ball boy went to

get. He threw the ball back to Ivanovic, and it missed, so the ball

was in the dugout area somewhere, none of which is the fault of

Ivanovic. I think Ivanovic had the ball in his hands for two seconds

and already, the referee was gesticulating to his watch and

putting pressure on him to get the ball into play, which is why we were

all, and Jose Mourinho is the manager out on the touchline, so

furious. Why was it suddenly so important that the ball came back

into play within the player having one or two seconds possession of the

ball, when for an hour we had been frustrated by the clear time wasting

tactics of the opposition? So that is the top and bottom of it. I was

there yesterday and they were getting very get up early on about

what they concede to be Cardiff's what they concede to be Cardiff s

time wasting tactics, but it was a very minor for him to get so angry

about that. Doesn't it sound petty? We wanted the ball and they wouldn't

give it to us! I think it is one of the great sights of modern football

when a manager is sent from the bench. The fans love it coming you

have a panto villain. It is like the orange ball in the snow! At Old

Trafford was the classic. I heard an extended version of that interview

with Steve Holland, and he went on about how during the game they had

been enquiring politely to the officials. I thought, of course you

have! On a serious point, it is an issue now, especially with the

fourth official becoming the focal point of so much dissent, that is

what you call it. I was at Spurs against Chelsea and the press can

sit behind that area, and there was so much dissent towards the fourth

official and the assistant referee that I think the FA will clamp down.

My argument is that as a player on the page, and if I am a Cardiff

player, and Willie and goes down, told to go down, so they could

strengthen their team... -- Willian goes down. Why would you give the

ball back to let them attack you? If I was the captain of Cardiff, I

would have kept the ball, no problem at all. It was a strange incident

that led to the ball going out of play, Willian going down, a

substitution happening and Willian getting straight back up without

treatment. If somebody is heard, get treatment. If somebody is heard get

the ball out as quickly as possible. If it is just to make a substitution

to benefit the team you are playing against, there is nowhere in the

world I would have given the ball back. This message asks whether

David Luiz should be playing at centre back? He should be playing as

far away from the defence as possible. In behind the front two.

He has so much talent and skill and can create things out of nothing. At

centre half, he is wasted. When you say as far away as possible, do you

mean Spain? Interestingly, it brings up a situation where it looks like

Mourinho's favoured partner, because John Terry will always be there, is

David Luiz, and what he's going to do... That has implications that

Gary Caygill, obviously, but when I saw at Spurs, David Luiz did not go

beyond the halfway line -- Gary K Hill. Mourinho thinks he can change

him into an accomplished centre back. He has to curb those instincts

of going forward. A year ago, I would have agreed with Dion

wholeheartedly but having seen him play at the Confederations Cup last

summer, they wouldn't have him anywhere else, they adore him at

centre back and he will start there in the World Cup. Pat Nevin did

appease in the Confederations Cup and David Luiz and Thiago Silva --

did a piece. It talked about that when you are brought up in Brazil as

a centre back, you always think you can go one-on-one with your man but

you don't worry about covering the opposition, you deal with your man.

And if you make a mistake, it will be costly but it is forgiven because

you are doing at the right way. Lucio, for example, he made the

mistake in 2002 and Michael Owen pounced and scored, but he was doing

it the right way. It is very easy to criticise from our cultural point of

view, but if you have been brought up a certain way, that is how you

play. If you play like Brazil play, they don't really have positions.

They have areas where they are supposed to be and if one goes

forward, one comes back. It doesn't matter where they go, they just make

sure they are set up correctly on the page. In England, we are very

different. If you are a centre half, you go up and then you come back.

David Luiz will stay up front for Brazil for several phases. Finishing

on Chelsea and Cardiff, controversial decisions was the last

thing Malky Mackay needed after the week he has had. What a couple of

weeks he has had. This has been rumbling on for some time. The club

has done wonders, Malky has done wonders, let's give him his due and

the owner has done his bit and got them into the Premier League but let

some sanity break out in Cardiff, please. If you are going to stay

with us on BBC One, we are going to talk Arsenal, and England as well,

but if you are listening on BBC Radio 5 live, you are going to leave

us. Remember, Aston Villa against Spurs is on Radio 5 later, but if

you are on Radio 5, it is time the European cup rugby. On BBC One and

the BBC sport website, we are going to move on to Arsenal, 4-1 winners

over Norwich. Here are the thoughts of Wenger. A few weeks ago, we lost

the first game of the season here, it was a very different time but we

have responded quickly and since then, we have been consistent. I

like the solidarity we have in the team and of course, we know we have

quality and it is now just how much can we maintain that and sustain

that effort to play together at that level, and that will decide our

future. Lee has said was Jack Wilshire's goal yesterday one of the

best goals in the Premier League over the past few seasons? Yes,

quite simply. All four of the Arsenal goals yesterday could be in

the goal of the month competition in an average month. It was great. What

we have done for many years is we have not using this positively,

accusing Arsenal of walking through, trying to walk through and

they did it yesterday for four times. It was amazing to watch. If

you haven't seen it, try and see it as soon as possible. The one touch

football, the little flicks, it all just came off perfectly. The best

thing about it was how calm the finish was, he just side footed it

past the goalkeeper. From a corporate point of view, you can

watch it on Match of the Day two tonight! Or Match of the Day when it

comes on the eye player. -- BBC iPlayer. This one asks whether Mesut

Ozil is the key to Arsenal is success? But when you look at the

first goal, the role of Olivier Giroud should not be overlooked.

That is right, and we need to look at the positives. People will ask

what will happen if something happens to Giroud and that will be

an issue. But it comes back to what I was saying earlier, it takes

players time to adjust to the Premier League and it has taken

Giroud a little time to adjust and he has proven himself to be what

Arsene Wenger has said, an accomplished player. Back to Ozil,

yes... I was driving here trying to rack my brains about has there been

one rack my brains about has there been

signing that has made such an impact immediately, and I can't actually

think of one. I don't mean the way he's playing himself but the way he

has lifted everyone around him through his ability. Their

confidence has grown, they know they will get the ball back on a very

basic level and he seems to have given everyone and their entire

lives, one signing. I think two because Ozil cannot do what he does

without Flamini doing what he does. I remember him as a very good player

in the Premier League who developed into that role and he has come back

from Milan and absolutely fantastic player. He is the rock upon which

Ozil and those can do their stuff. I think Arsenal are one centre back

and one strike away from being title contenders.

The players, the British players, they have all had to raise their

game, to reach the standard of Ozil and Flamini and Ramsey has been

outstanding, I think that the whole of the clubs, from a couple of

signings, they have had a couple of world class signings, if we want to

be in the team we have to pick our game up and they have. The Flamini

point, Norwich's best spell from looking at that the highlights,

occurred when Flamini went off consesed. He got a head injury. It

must be the closest thing Arsenal have had. Song did a good onfor

them. Frimpong we thought he was going to come on faster, the closest

thing they have had to a Vieira they probably need cover there, I

just think Arsenal have, like Spurses we were talking about

earlier, they have cover in most positions and I think they are up

there. Do you worry about Norwich? A little. I really do. I can't see

them getting anything from the bigger clubs if that they are going

to defend like that. I know Arsenal are world class, but you can't

defend like that, there was no talking in defence, no pass on

information, the keeper didn't open his mouth enough in my opinion,

sometimes you have to tip your hat but sometimes you can avoid some of

the goals. I wonder whether if it had stayed at 2-1 I would be asking

if you were worried. Because it was 4-1 that is relevant. When you

listen to Chris Hughton, he says at 2-1 you settle for 2-1, or you go

for it to try and get back in the game. He is not the kind of manager

to sit there and think we will nick a draw. He wants to win. His players

are becoming like him, very calm and very cool, and wanting to play on

the ball. There wasn't enough urgency, they gave it a go but the

quality of Arsenal, which is probably the answer to your

question, is far too much. There is a lot of far too much squads in the

Premier League that are much better than Norwich's squad. Going to the

game you were at Newcastle against Liverpool. It's the kind of game,

the result that could kick-start Newcastle's season: They needed that

point. They had to hang on for it. There was some fight, they broke

well. They defended pretty well. There was some fight, they broke

well. They defended pretty well To well. They defended pretty well. To

say they were down to ten players. Yanga-Mbiwa is not doing it for me.

He started well alongside Williamson. Dummett Dummett was a

great story, he was playing centre back, I think Alan Hansen picked out

a moment that was important. It was worthy of being picked out, but he

did spoil his day. But, yeah, they needed a point, the bigger point I

was looking at was Liverpool. They should have won the game. If they

are going to challenge for a title you have to be beating ten players

when you are playing against them for an hour: It is 23409 always a

given you are going to beat ten men. It was one of those games where

Liverpool weren't at their best they have come away with a point,

you know, towards the end they were pressing, probably more likely to

win the game, so I think, I still think it keeps momentum, I think he

will take a positive out of that. Yes, when you look at it, you look

back and think they had tn men for so long, they will look and think it

is still a step in the right direction. Both teams played well.

Liverpool are not in Europe. They can go all guns blazing. Paul

Dummett, must want to come on when Newcastle do have 11 men, because

that is twice this season, the opening day he came on as a sub, we

did that game when Steven Taylor got sent out. And he was up against that

vaz. He getting atuned to the Premier League that young man. On

live pool, when you say the front three, are you talking Moses Suarez

or cute know. What would you do with Moses? He he come out of the team?

You hear a chat about the Liverpool side and player, players are not

taking to him. He has not contributed what they wanted him to

contribute, which was pace down the line, creating chancing -- chances,

linking up with Sturridge and Suarez, he hasn't really done that,

he would be the one that would suffer. If he plays in his first

choice team, Gerrard on lieu kiss, you have four, then the four are

Coutinho and another, Henderson, Moses, but on most, I agree, he is

not quite, I say there is a lot of controversy about why do people do

this in terms of the loan system. There is a reason teams let someone

go on loan, they are not good enough for that team. Victor Moses, he

is not like you have signed a superstar. His quality, we are not

doubting it. We know he is a good footballer, but what sometimes fans

doubting it. We know he is a good get, is a body language they see a

body language, he might get, is a body language they see a

might not be what they want to see. He is not bubbly, he is walking

round the pitch, he is not tracking back, so they find that hard to take

when it is wrong. We discussed this before, so many positives and

negatives with the loan system, you could argue, spent last week talking

about towns, he went on loan here there and everywhere, it was a loan

at QPR that turned things round for him. I have that problem for

understanding younger player, it becomes muddy when you are talking

Premier League to Premier League club, then you can ask questions in

certain case, I did hear an argument about the Luke being sent out on

loan, Jose Mourinho knows he could hurt some of their rivals. Why not?

My objection is this, is that Premier League teams this season,

even if you finish you will be getting about 65, ?70 million. Part

of a Premier League teams and the management staff, the manager, part

of the skills should be to use that money to build a squad to compete. I

think that is it. You shouldn't be able to borrow player, that is part

of the skill of competing in a club. Let us go back to one of the other

games, West Ham against Manchester City. Manchester City winning away

from home before a Champions League match. It wasn't just an away win,

it was an away win done with Nastasic, who had a run round when

he went to Stoke. Yes Aguero was just outstanding, having seen the

goals. So you are ignoring Garcia and Nastasic. It was about Aguero,

his movement was great. He was holding off centre halves, his

strength was incredible. His awareness was great. It was a joy to

watch him. Manchester City were outstanding. Tell you what struck me

was Sergio Aguero's performance. He did get a bit of freedom in the

box. Most players would have been happy with that. He was outstanding.

Silva had a good game. But are we doing title predictions again. You

are more than welcome. I will go City, Arsenal or Chelsea: I was

going to mention Nastasic and Garcia. It was a decent game for

them to get back in to, in the sense Sam didn't play with an out-and-out

Sam didn't play with an out-and out striker. That formation worked

against Spurs, that is fine, but should he have changed it for

Manchester City, because the same formation isn't going to work

against every team? It is not but it would take a brave manager to change

a team that won 3-0 at Spurs. I understand why he did it. Maybe he

should have changed the formation quicker during the game. Going back

to the centre halves, that is an area when Kompany is not there, that

is where they are going to struggle. It don't look good for Lescott.

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