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19/03/2017

Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries are joined by Jonathan Davies, Shane Williams and rugby writer Stephen Jones to review the 2017 Six Nations.


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COMMENTATOR: France need a converted try to win. Antonio declared himself

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fit, but is not. Do you think he needs a head assessment? Yes. Far be

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it from me to say that was cheating. Who is going to be binned? Sam Son

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Ly by the looks of it. Is he injured? This has been going on for

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well over 50 minutes in real-time. Here we go again, 90 minutes on the

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clock. As part of the subplot, 30 seconds and counting down to the

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return of some Sunli. Duncan Davies has ridden the word shambles done.

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France over the line -- return of Sampson Lee. France have won the

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game. It has been one of the longest games on record -- Samson Lee.

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Welcome to Scrum V, one of the longest, bizarre, surreal and easily

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one of the most farcical we have ever seen. It was crazy, we have a

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packed show and a phenomenal studio audience. APPLAUSE

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And we have Sean Holley. And we have the Wales women and the under 20s in

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the house. Let's cut to the chase because we have some great special

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guests. Please welcome Shane Williams, CHEERING

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Aled Jones, Peter Jackson. CHEERING Brendan Rogers evening. So much, so

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much to get through the night, we are going to catch up with all the

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guys in a minute but in all the confusion that happened between

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minutes 80 and 100 we probably forgot what happened in the first

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80, so let's remind ourselves, shall we?

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COMMENTATOR: France in possession, Kevin Gourdon weights. Now let's

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Serin takeover. The home in a thunderous on the charge. Lopez. It

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is the try. V wide players around the fringes were not quick enough.

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That point France were on the front foot. France claimed the turnover.

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Through Remi Lamerat. Was there a knock-on? Flailing arm knocked the

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ball on. REFEREE: A deliberate knock-on, it is a good position but

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we're not that the trial is going to be scored so he goes to the bin and

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no penalty try. No penalty try about ten minutes in the bin for Virimi

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Vakatawa. It is good by Leigh Halfpenny. Warburton plays

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scrum-half. Jake Davies. Penalty advantage to Wales, they have a free

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play here. Rob Evans does well to ride the first tackle. Biggar. Scott

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Williams along the floor. George North outside him. Took the ball

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standing still. Dulin, standing tackle. Back to the penalty.

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The Welsh scrummage under real pressure. A bit of pulling and

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pushing. Long enough. Straight enough. Wales

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take the lead. It comes to France on tidal. It

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comes to France, but illegally. Halfpenny, does he like it? He does,

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he does indeed. Wales creeping forward. High tackle.

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Wales have a lot of redshirt around, here they come through Dan Biggar.

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Can't get the pass away. France over the ball. WHISTLE

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It is a high tackle. And again, the crowd expressed their displeasure.

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Are you injured? You're OK, fine, let's go. He has just he was not

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injured. Ten seconds left of normal time, but this is France's chance.

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WHISTLE One second, one second. I think not

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good. He declared himself fit but he is not. It is one of those.

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Do this employ specialist prop? That is just an amazing coincidence. Do

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you think he needs a head assessment? Yes. Yes, as a doctor

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you have said he needs a head assessment. We are happy whatever. I

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suppose it appends how cynical you are about this. You fear the worst

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when it comes to your analysis here. The doctor actually said yes, he

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needs an assessment. France so close to the line, and

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still not over, but it is a penalty advantage for France. The ball will

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be held up. France have the penalty. Aaron O'Connor yellow card, not the

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final play. Samson Lee by the looks of it. You have to have a suitable

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replacement: who has to be qualified in that position in the front row.

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Leigh Halfpenny is coming. They go wide, they go wider. He can't get

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through, the ball has gone loose but we go back for the penalty.

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Halfpenny 15. So, George North has made a tackle

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on the full-back. And then in the most bizarre circumstances, we are

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all looking everybody for a bite. There is clearly a bite mark on his

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arm. No conclusive footage, play on. Kroos Dulin tackled by George Low.

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No conclusive footage of a bite. The penalties against Rhys Webb. For the

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line, Dan Biggar is heading for the bin in the hundredth minute of the

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game, if France don't score. France over the line, they claim the try.

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WHISTLE CHEERING

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And the try by Wayne Barnes is awarded. It goes through, and France

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have won the game. It has been one of the longest games on record, but

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the upshot is that France have beaten Wales here at the start to

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France. There you have it, all 99 minutes

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and 55 seconds of it but let's hear what the players and coaches had to

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say post-match. Have Wales any complaints, and if so what are they?

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In terms of the process, I believe so. I think that leading up to the

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substitute, I think there is evidence that suggests the prop was

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taken off, you know, with an injury which maybe he didn't have. No

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issues about the result, just about the process. Are you injured? I am

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good. You're OK, it's fine. He has just me he is not injured.

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Do you think he needs a head assessment? Yes. The doctor of the

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French team has told me his player needs a head assessment. I am sure

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there are people saying me that we could have claimed Tom Francis was

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injured and go for an uncontested scrum, which I'm not going to lie, I

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have been inside is where those questions have been mentioned. But I

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thought we responded with integrity and we were Tom Francis Kaman

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because he was fit. That is what we do. Can we have the details of his

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injury please? It is pretty obvious in terms of

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what happened, there is a technical area and you are not allowed outside

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that technical area. Ultimately someone has come outside and allowed

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the doctor to go and add a break in play. That is outside the laws of

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the game. Wayne Barnes, you can hear him ask him if he is OK. Are you

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injured? He says I have got a sore back and then I am OK. Then in the

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doctor comes on and he goes. Not for a sore back? Yellow Mavrias. There

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was a suggestion by the Wales winger George North that he had been

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bitten. The referee said there was clearly a bite mark when he went to

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the fourth official. There is evidence that office Leigh

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in terms of the TMO they have looked. I have spoken to the three

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officials and they have said it is inconclusive, so we accept that

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decision. We will talk about the bite, but it

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Peter if I can throw the first question to you, in 30, 40 years you

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have been covering the game. 50 years! I was being kind, have you

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ever experienced anything like that? No, nothing like that, I had the

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watch on the game and if you take out stoppage time it ran to a total

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of 122 minutes eight seconds. The second half was 75 minutes 55

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seconds, so no, I have never seen that. But having seen it now ad

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infinitum, I am disappointed that as great a figure as Guy Novas should

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react in such a cynical way by biting himself as the clearly

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something happen there. I thought also that Wayne Barnes did his very

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best in very trying circumstances. I thought he was kind to Wales. Giving

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away now penalties in the two session, only one yellow card. Had

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they gone down, France probably would have shocked them over. The

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game would not have dragged on. They was so farcical one stage I was kind

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of expecting Inspector clues to come on with his white Mac and magnifying

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glass. If you didn't know much about rugby, you would say what on earth

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is going on here? Barnes had no option but to keep refereeing it

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until the technical fence came along and he ended the game. Had the

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biting been proven, and that is fiendishly difficult if you don't

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have video evidence, then of course the game would have been over there

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and then. A statement just in from the Six Nations, saying they will

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look into that, so if a complaint is brought it will be investigated and

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if punishment is required it will be brought forth in the next 48 hours.

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Adam, Rob Howley strong in condemning France, saying they

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undermined the integrity of the game, did they cheat? Discover

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probably. George North was not struggling -- who was not scrumming

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particularly well, and they thought that was the best bet. As Pete said,

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Wales gave for penalties away in the scrum. Any other referee, under less

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pressure, would have given a penalty try against them. Barnes did a

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pretty good job for my reckoning. He is a barrister or something, so he

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knows the score. If a little French doctor comes on, he has to take him

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for his word. It is paramount at the moment, injury, and especially

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concussion, so he has to take the fellow at his word. I am sure it

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will come out in the wash. It is difficult, Rob was honest after the

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game, he did not make any excuses, he was not disputing the result but

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the process. He has reason to feel aggrieved, doesn't it? Yes. We have

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already spoken about the Atonio incident. He obviously did not know

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what his injury was until the doctor came on, and therefore the doctor

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kind of explained it. But the process of it all, I kind of agree.

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I think Wales were very lucky not to have conceded a penalty try in that

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period as well. The French were certainly putting the Welsh under

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loads of pressure. Wales defended their hearts out but it was not

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enough in the end unfortunately. You have to give credit to France as

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well, the way they finish that game, apart from the controversy. They

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kept the game well and eventually won the game. That's the way it goes

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sometimes. If the scrum scenario was not surreal enough, there was a bite

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allegation which made it even more surreal, and then the suggestion of

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a self-inflicted. Is George North kind of guy who would bite himself?

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LAUGHTER Unless he didn't have his pre-match

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meal, I don't know. Why would George do that, if you gets found to bite

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himself who would be a laughing stock. I think it was crazy. There

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was only one camera angle, which didn't show anything. Why would

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George do that? From the camera angle we had we could not see

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anything. The game did go on for a bit, so maybe he was hungry.

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LAUGHTER Maybe he was. Do you not find it

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strange that French TV would only have one angle of the incident? I am

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pretty sceptical of a lot of things, but I am not cynical enough to

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believe that a host broadcaster would deliberately hold back damning

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evidence. Unless I am neither that, I would have thought if they have

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the other angle. Two players go into a tackle, it is quite conceivable

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you can be bit without any evidence. I remember Sean Fitzpatrick, New

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Zealand against Australia, when Johan Djourou had his ear so badly,

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19 stitches, and the evidence was there, and they did not actually see

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the teeth going into his ear. Sometimes it is difficult to prove,

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when you go for a try, there are three or four camera angles, we have

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just in one, which is a bit bizarre. I think it was Yoann Maestri who

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suggested he may have bitten himself, and then the other farcical

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thing for me when Atonio said the Barnes, yes, I'm fit, and Summer Rae

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said he probably lost that in translation. I mean, he is a New

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Zealander, English is his first language. You talk about Wayne

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Barnes and the pressure he was under, when 20 minutes over or more

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if you look at Peter's stopwatch, he is accused of bias on both sides.

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Yoann Maestri said perhaps the bite was self-inflicted afterwards but

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said they had been treated like a small nation, and the British stick

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together. They don't think he quite understands the geopolitics of the

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UK. He made one bad decision, before Vakatawa was cautioned. I can't

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believe both touch judges did not see it. You should have been in the

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bin for that. I commenced on the fence saying the Welsh player did it

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and he gets a rivet, one of Wales tonne Ashun he gets away with it. A

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Both sides accusing him of bias, which probably means he played down

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the middle. I thought it was good. As Pete said about the tackle, the

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knock-on, what you call it, you have two scrum well. I thought he did a

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really good job, and the last 20 minutes you would not want to wish

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on any referee, well, maybe you might. I guess a La Turbie would say

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he has cost us this game but we could have lost that ten minute

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earlier with the scrums. He has done a good job, for me, and he is a

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pretty stand-up guy. Talking about the controversy, but to be fair, we

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had 80 minutes where maybe we should have put that game to bed and we

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didn't so what went wrong? Wales did well to get themselves in front but

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some crucial errors cost them after a really poor start. Such a poor

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start in fact that Wales lost the first line-out. Alun Wyn Jones under

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a little bit of pressure, and overthrow and gave France early

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ball. Early scrum, the first scrum, it gets France the ball again. You

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have to put this Picamoles down, don't give him a second bite of the

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cherry. Some smart play here, shoring up the Welsh defence.

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Camille Lopez again gets them on the front foot. Hard for Wales to fall

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on the script for now. Liam Williams and Jonathan Davies left isolated

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with many French doubles. Kevin Gourdon, we highlighted last week,

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rips through the defence. The number of French players going around the

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corner and that leaves a problem for Jonathan Davies. As Peter Jackson

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rightly said, this on another day could have been a yellow card for

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the outside centre. France showed their intent, they went to the

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corner for the line-out from a penalty. I want to show you Rhys

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Webb and Liam Williams, how the defensive structure is set for

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Wales. France now this. Look at their position, it is a tactic that

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would have preordained. Liam Williams sweeps and covers the space

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on the left, the kick needs to go over the centres where it is hard

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for a sweeper to get to, and Lopez does it with aplomb. Great try from

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France. Wales have their moment too. Was this a penalty try? Dan Biggar,

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if I show you the close-up in slow motion, you will see that the wing

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clearly slaps the ball down. That is a penalty offence, a yellow card

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offence, George North exasperated, doesn't get over. Wales had to deal

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with crucial changes, Captain Alun Wyn Jones and then Ball. Leigh

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Halfpenny was back to his imperious kicking best and kept Wales in

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front. But they made crucial errors. This is an area Wales had been

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targeting the Six Nations. The window gets too far in front, it

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happened time and time again. They'll still had control, they had

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a penalty to relieve pressure, the score is five points up the Wales of

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the 75th minute but they missed the line-up crucially and give Wales the

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ball -- France the ball back again. Another error was coming up. Great

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work from Sam Warburton, showing her strength again, ripping the ball

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from the French. The right decision to hack it down the field and Wales

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are really unlucky that the ball bounces on and goes over the

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dead-ball line, meaning another scrum to France. From that their

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tails were out. You now see Wales tiring. Two of our backroom boys

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slipping. They are now in the Wales's 22 with their tails up. You

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don't need your present slipping off tackles. Picamoles going to hire

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again. Now France are really threatening. They eventually got to

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the line and look at the clock. This was the first penalty that Wayne

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Barnes gave in this position. That was crucial to the series of scrums

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that went on and we all know what happened in the next 20 minutes.

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Don't need to go over that again. Lots to chew on. Scrummaging

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superiority that France showed, did that alarm you or is it just that

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France were very good at that aspect throughout the championship? Heaters

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in the click your modern-day prop, assuming he is the best -- he

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doesn't look like your modern-day prop. Back to yesteryear. We played

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against early in the season, and he caused Joe Marler all sorts of

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problems. We are a big pack as well, don't forget that. He is such a good

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operator, I was not that surprised. So we finished fifth. No matter how

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we trace it up, to store the worse finish we have had since 2007, so I

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would take it you would say that is a failure. Absolutely. Wales expects

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better than that. I am not sounding wise after the event, I said before

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the tournament I struggle to see Wales winning two tries at the very

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most. I thought they would be deadly and I thought they would within

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France. I didn't see them beating Ireland, don't suppose many people

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did. That is not only that, a tries, the fewer number that Wales have

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scored in the Six Nations in six seasons. That is not good enough.

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There is a danger that we allow the 20 minute stoppage time, and the

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biting the change of the to mask the fact that this was, when you strip

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it down, another substandard performance. Wales threaten a try,

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apart from the move that Vakatawa stopped with his illegal

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intervention. Yes, North probably would have scored a try. There was a

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strong case for a penalty try, another player coming across so

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Barnes estimate a split-second decision and maybe you can

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understand him airing slightly on the side of caution. That apart,

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didn't see any real sign thereafter of Wales scoring a try. What

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concerns me about Wales is that the whole thing is built on defence.

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Keep them out. And they are very good at that, I accept that,

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terrific. And I admire the courage and the effort that went into it

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yesterday. I admire Rob Evans's attitude, we don't care who comes

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on, we will handle it. He was fantastic, he went 97 minutes, and

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well done. But I come back to the point is that too little is being

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created. Dan Biggar commune when he is struggling kazoo starts

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remonstrating chucking his arms about and the rest of it. Here we

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are now at the end of the international season, we still don't

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know how good some Davies will be because he has not been given a

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proper run. So I think it is a season of lost up a tune that is --

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Sam Davies. He once scored 30 points with the boot. They all count.

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Picking up on Peter Bowes Mac point, we have talked a lot in the last 12

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months about the solution of our style, this search for a new

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identity, a tries in five games does not suggest we have come very far.

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Not really, especially when you look at the talent we have in the

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backline. The two games I really enjoyed, the England game was

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fantastic, adding Wales played with tempo and width and looked

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dangerous. Ireland game, George North, 15 plus touches, get involved

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in the game nice and early, plays with width. The teams we haven't

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played well against we haven't been creative at all. I just think it is

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a waste really, especially when the players you do have in your armoury.

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We are a good team, some great players that can score tries if

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given opportunities but I just don't think we used this close enough. If

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you are saying we have got the players, James, does that point a

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finger at the coaching of the players? Maybe. Scott Williams, a

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quality player, he has all the skills, footwork, great passer of

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the ball but we are probably asking him to do Jamie Roberts's job,

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really. I think at the moment it is just not working. We have got the

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players but maybe it is just our game plan, we have played it so

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long, bash it up, get round the corner. You talk about change, but I

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think we have got the players, it is just not happening at the moment. I

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don't know whether can play like that against Ireland and we can't do

:27:13.:27:15.

it at France. Wales have been successful on the road in the past,

:27:16.:27:18.

especially in France, and France are a team that Wales has good tries

:27:19.:27:25.

against. Apart from the George North incident, the Vakatawa knock-on, we

:27:26.:27:30.

didn't look like scoring tries. That is the maddening thing, the

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inconsistencies. We get an epic win and people think things are back in

:27:34.:27:38.

sure and then this happens. Wales Kanpur two together in this

:27:39.:27:40.

championship and people accuse me of being negative that my criticism is

:27:41.:27:43.

based on the fact that the real world stood up against Ireland. Why

:27:44.:27:47.

didn't we see more of being negative that my criticism is based on the

:27:48.:27:49.

fact that the real well stood up against Ireland. Why didn't we see

:27:50.:27:51.

moreover yesterday against let's face it a French team that is less

:27:52.:27:54.

than fearsome. I mean, they are better than they used to be, but

:27:55.:27:59.

still fairly dire. To come away from that 20-18, I thought probably again

:28:00.:28:03.

you would say two tries to nil. There is only so much the half funny

:28:04.:28:09.

can do. I thought it was terrific yesterday and answered all the

:28:10.:28:11.

doubts, and I am not quite sure he will make the Lions trip but it was

:28:12.:28:15.

nice to see come back. He never looked like missing. There is too

:28:16.:28:18.

much reliance on him and too little reliance on creating tries. Let's

:28:19.:28:25.

talk positives. Defence. Shaun Edwards took a bit of a hammering

:28:26.:28:32.

after the autumn campaign. But far the Scotland game and a few bits in

:28:33.:28:36.

England, it it has been good but defence is there when you

:28:37.:28:39.

Championships any more. Not the first time with him. He is a proud

:28:40.:28:46.

man, a rugby league legend, massive part of his game. He would have felt

:28:47.:28:51.

it hurt, the autumn, and you could see the way the boys responded. I do

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know how he would have been, he was quite angry, he got in your face. He

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would have made it known what he wanted. Can I just say a word about

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the attack, at the moment we look a little bit as if we are a team of

:29:05.:29:09.

backs and forwards, no attachment between the two. There are no

:29:10.:29:12.

forwards running off the backs, so no backs to play the forwards into

:29:13.:29:22.

the line. You have Justin Tipuric at seven, and he is seen as the perfect

:29:23.:29:27.

linked player, so why isn't it happening? Played one game plan for

:29:28.:29:31.

so long, since 2008. I think it takes time. For one game they are

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playing one way, another game another. It does take time. To be

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fair, Tips is roaming the wider channel so that is not really the

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link man. He would be more infield. They are playing 242, sort of

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football formation, the front five in the middle of the field. As Mr

:29:52.:29:58.

Prescott 's work in the autumn, New Zealand and have a strategy, they

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play 242 and it is very specific. They don't know if we are trying to

:30:04.:30:06.

go down that route and not getting the hang of it.

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It just looks disjointed to me at the moment. Are just expecting

:30:17.:30:25.

things to happen too quickly, as a nation? Not really. I think with

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professional rugby, we have good players. The likes of Tikrit, he

:30:35.:30:39.

can't keep in every position. The amount of work he does of the ball,

:30:40.:30:44.

you would not believe. And when he does get in good positions, it is

:30:45.:30:48.

like having an extra back. Sometimes we just cannot get in there. There

:30:49.:30:57.

is no transition, we have players in the team that are good enough to

:30:58.:31:02.

play, we have done it, why can't we keep doing it? We have exciting

:31:03.:31:09.

talent. George North, superb and involved a lot. Almost redundant

:31:10.:31:18.

against France in the second half. The other teams have brought

:31:19.:31:22.

something innovative to the competition. Scotland with a cheeky

:31:23.:31:27.

line-out play against Ireland. England's terrific against Scotland.

:31:28.:31:32.

The way they punished Jonathan Davies's mistake and again, probably

:31:33.:31:35.

they did not deserve to win but they did. With the best will in the

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world, I have seen nothing innovative from Wales this season

:31:42.:31:45.

alone flashes I have seen from Sam Davies. And when you're under

:31:46.:31:50.

pressure, you revert back to time. Against Ireland, they were under so

:31:51.:31:58.

much pressure. When the wee break free of these shackles then? No

:31:59.:32:02.

continuity in terms of the attack culture, we will have a new player

:32:03.:32:14.

again after this, arts players confused with mixed messages? I

:32:15.:32:18.

don't know what was happening with Alex King and Rob Howley but the

:32:19.:32:23.

likes of Justin to trick, Scott Williams, I know that when you're

:32:24.:32:30.

under pressure, you go back to your original game plan and ultimately

:32:31.:32:37.

you have to listen to the couch. Who do we bring in? New look at the

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Scarlets, Steffan Evans, another missed opportunity. Stephen Jones

:32:47.:32:49.

will get his chance in the South Sea Islands at the end of the season. It

:32:50.:32:57.

is difficult. I mean, to be fair to the coaches, I think they have

:32:58.:33:00.

limited choice, not as limited as they have made it out to be, and I

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do think there is a serious lack of basic skills. I mean, Jonathan

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Davies would be the first to admit that passing isn't as strong as it

:33:11.:33:17.

could be in for an outside centre that is pretty essential. And I

:33:18.:33:20.

think there a missed opportunity, the autumn series would have been

:33:21.:33:28.

the perfect opportunity to bring in players who haven't played much, Sam

:33:29.:33:31.

Davies should have played for more than he did in the autumn series. We

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had an opportunity. These are the opportunities to test players in

:33:43.:33:45.

different positions before a big tournament like the Six Nations. The

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problem is, the study Six Nations, a tough start against Italy, bring Sam

:33:51.:33:54.

Davies on it had a great game. But then under pressure, a big match the

:33:55.:33:59.

following week, and the haven't really gambled on selection since.

:34:00.:34:03.

And then it becomes difficult to bring new and young players in. We

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will talk about this later. The men played this weekend and the women

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and under-25s on. Let's see how they got on.

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COMMENTATOR: Wales and the other side and it is at try for showing up

:34:21.:34:29.

all hues. An advantage coming to France. Can they turn it into a

:34:30.:34:37.

five? They're over the line. The referee says it is a try. It could

:34:38.:34:48.

go all the way into the corner here. With Wales again, can they get a

:34:49.:34:54.

second try? They can! It is Amy Evans. They have run out here. She

:34:55.:35:04.

goes wide. Is it going to be the score? Yes. France finding someone

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with. It's a try. COMMENTATOR: Tries to get the ball

:35:14.:35:35.

flowed and is still available. And lunging over is Alan Ward. Spreading

:35:36.:35:51.

it wide. But the try has come. There will be an advantage. France have

:35:52.:36:00.

their tails up. But it is the shelf that comes through for him. They

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have to score out wide. And the fourth try has come. Runners out

:36:15.:36:25.

wide. And straight through the middle goes Geoffrey Cross. And it

:36:26.:36:34.

is out. It looks ominous for Wales. Another try, an easy stroll. It must

:36:35.:36:43.

come for Wales and it has in the end, far too late.

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STUDIO: Not be on the under 20 team would have wanted. Their bid to

:36:52.:36:57.

finish second was scuppered by France. England had already wrapped

:36:58.:37:00.

up the championship the week before but added the Grand Slam on Friday.

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Congratulations to them. And the same goes for the women. 5-5 for

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England. Wales finished a disappointing fifth following their

:37:13.:37:17.

final round defeat to France. Shaun Holley is over there. Yes. We are

:37:18.:37:24.

joined by members of the 20s and the women's squad. A disappointing end

:37:25.:37:30.

to the Six Nations but overall a pleasing effort? Yes, obviously

:37:31.:37:38.

disappointed to lose but I think it was a positive campaign, obviously

:37:39.:37:44.

disappointing to lose out but overall we can look back and has

:37:45.:37:48.

been great for us and create to be part of this. Absolutely. And the

:37:49.:37:58.

captain of the women's team, a difficult campaign for your team and

:37:59.:38:01.

under difficult circumstances, but what have you learned? Obviously it

:38:02.:38:05.

has been difficult, but the result and losing one of our own players,

:38:06.:38:15.

Elli, which was obviously heartbreaking for us. But the girls

:38:16.:38:21.

put in hard work. They should be really proud of what date it and how

:38:22.:38:31.

well the got on. Absolutely. And now, you and your boys are looking

:38:32.:38:35.

forward to a junior World Cup in June. And then back to training?

:38:36.:38:40.

Yeah, after a positive campaign, the boys are looking for the two full

:38:41.:38:45.

weeks of rest and recovery. Tough condition to appear in the summer.

:38:46.:38:52.

The training will be high-intensity. Good luck. And finally, a World Cup

:38:53.:38:57.

for you? You must be looking forward to? Yes. I think are set pieces are

:38:58.:39:05.

phenomenal and our backs we just need to work on our clinical edge.

:39:06.:39:11.

We have a few months of hard work for the World Cup and are looking

:39:12.:39:16.

forward to it. We all wish you the very best for that. Thanks, guys.

:39:17.:39:23.

Let's catch up with the rest of the Six Nations action. All matches were

:39:24.:39:26.

played yesterday and it all kicked off at BT Murrayfield, where

:39:27.:39:27.

Scotland faced Italy. COMMENTATOR: Dunbar in the centre

:39:28.:39:45.

and it is Russell for a try! And Scotland eventually breached the

:39:46.:39:51.

Italian defence is! Advantage Scotland. Italy are one man down in

:39:52.:39:58.

defence. Fuser is receiving treatment. And Scotland are showing

:39:59.:40:04.

no mercy of the moment. Ali Price goes for the kick. Berkeley feeds it

:40:05.:40:20.

onto Russell. How will it bounce? This bearing down on it. And there.

:40:21.:40:38.

A try for Tommy Seymour! Four for Scotland.

:40:39.:40:52.

Again, Ireland with the drive. They're very close.

:40:53.:41:09.

Rory Best teaming up and Maro Itoje is transgressed here.

:41:10.:41:26.

REFEREE: Offside. COMMENTATOR: It's a long way out but

:41:27.:41:36.

that is a monstrous kick. Just feverish defence. Still, England

:41:37.:41:43.

deep inside their half but a knock-on from Mike Brown heralds the

:41:44.:41:45.

end. WHISTLE And now Ireland bring

:41:46.:41:53.

England crashing to earth, just as they did six years ago and Ireland

:41:54.:42:00.

have the victory. So, Dylan Hartley steps forward to

:42:01.:42:05.

receive the RBS Six Nations trophy. The Championship is theirs. But

:42:06.:42:14.

bittersweet emotions. A first defeat as England captain today and a first

:42:15.:42:19.

defeat under Eddie Jones and that record equalling run props to a

:42:20.:42:23.

shuddering halt by a passionate green machine in Dublin.

:42:24.:42:32.

STUDIO: So, there it is, the 2017 Six Nations is over. England won the

:42:33.:42:37.

championship but missed out on the Grand Slam, Ireland spoiling the

:42:38.:42:41.

party in spectacular fashion. France back to third place, their best

:42:42.:42:47.

finish for quite some time. First top three finish since 2011 and

:42:48.:42:50.

Wales, conversely, their worst finish since 2007. So, Adam, no

:42:51.:43:00.

Grand Slam for England? That's good, isn't it?

:43:01.:43:01.

LAUGHTER CHEERING AND APPLAUSE I cannot wait to go into training

:43:02.:43:19.

tomorrow at Harlequins. I spoke to some of them and they

:43:20.:43:24.

were disappointed but they feel it is a weight off their shoulders all

:43:25.:43:28.

but the winning streak has gone and they can crack on. It would have

:43:29.:43:33.

been harder if they had won it to go back to training. The atmosphere in

:43:34.:43:39.

Ireland was incredible yesterday. Ireland looked like a different team

:43:40.:43:43.

to the one at principality Stadium, how much better wording is we can?

:43:44.:43:49.

They were outstanding. That's the one they wanted to win and obviously

:43:50.:43:55.

for so many reasons. And, for the record, not having the Grand Slam,

:43:56.:43:59.

but they delivered, in fairness, they were missing so many players,

:44:00.:44:05.

so many distractions that could have affected them but did not and I

:44:06.:44:10.

think they pulled it out of the bag. Why? That is what has been terrific

:44:11.:44:13.

casting about this Six Nations is that any team the ability to beat

:44:14.:44:20.

any other on any given day. The sad thing is we have to wait another

:44:21.:44:27.

year for it to come round. Sometimes, the gods intervene. Jamie

:44:28.:44:33.

Heaslip, who was anonymous, tweaks a hamstring before kick-off. Peter

:44:34.:44:36.

O'Mahony comes in and played a blinder. Absolute blinder, and you

:44:37.:44:43.

think, he has to go on the Lions tour. But not just that, I thought

:44:44.:44:48.

Henderson is a colossal player in the making. He had been dropped from

:44:49.:44:56.

the game and he has that priceless quality to be able to play blindside

:44:57.:45:01.

is, a terrific player who made all the difference yesterday. It is just

:45:02.:45:05.

the tournament's never-ending capacity to surprise us. Just as I

:45:06.:45:10.

did not think Wales would get back from the Scottish surrender, I

:45:11.:45:12.

didn't really think Ireland would get back from what they had suffered

:45:13.:45:16.

here. Which is pretty demoralising. I feel like I want to cry now. The

:45:17.:45:22.

competition is over. The Six Nations done and dusted for another year but

:45:23.:45:26.

there is a small matter of a Lions tour to look forward to. Who has

:45:27.:45:32.

played their way in and out selection? Wales have some fabulous

:45:33.:45:36.

individual player who are a shoo-in for the Lions but we have some as

:45:37.:45:42.

well. For me, Alun Wyn Jones, is one of those shoo-in is. In everything

:45:43.:45:51.

that he does. The physicality, the brute strength, presence, really

:45:52.:45:56.

makes players around him respond. He tackles and earns respect from all

:45:57.:46:03.

players. Sam Morgan, criticised before, but physicality is one thing

:46:04.:46:10.

but he is also a ball carrier, he has been rejuvenated and has proven

:46:11.:46:14.

he is a test animal. We know what he is like so a likely test starter.

:46:15.:46:23.

That's Sam Warburton. Now, George North, who has been criticised, but

:46:24.:46:27.

he is the physical animal that we know Warren Gatland likes. His

:46:28.:46:30.

performance against Ireland was truly sublime as it was packed his

:46:31.:46:35.

try scoring best. On top form, likely to start in the first Test

:46:36.:46:39.

match. One of Wales's best players have been Rhys Webb. A guy who has

:46:40.:46:45.

really matured under constant threat around the fringes against every

:46:46.:46:50.

team he has played. He has matured and shown leadership, tactically

:46:51.:46:53.

very astute but it is the determination and attitude that Rhys

:46:54.:46:56.

Webb has shown that really catches the eye. He has superseded Conor

:46:57.:47:00.

Murray as the favourite for test spot. And here's the man you just

:47:01.:47:08.

cannot ignore. Justin Tipuric is literally all over the place, his

:47:09.:47:12.

physicality, he has answered all his critics in this championship. In

:47:13.:47:16.

tandem with Sam Warburton, probably the best partnership on the flank.

:47:17.:47:24.

Justin Tipuric should be on the plane to New Zealand. Ian Williams

:47:25.:47:27.

has done little wrong and has proven he can play full-back. Taulupe

:47:28.:47:38.

Faletau is one of the's favourites. Ken Owens has been supremely

:47:39.:47:45.

consistent. He could help the Lions squad and this is not to everybody's

:47:46.:47:49.

liking but Dan Biggar has surely earned some credibility and a chance

:47:50.:47:53.

to go to New Zealand. Lots of positives for Wales! Thank you. Pubs

:47:54.:48:00.

have been doing a her mother but it is going to get more serious now.

:48:01.:48:03.

Shame, you have picked yours, talk us it. I think McGrath has been

:48:04.:48:15.

superb for Ireland. They have certainly kept the scrum together.

:48:16.:48:28.

Superb this Six Nations. Alun Wyn Jones, has played well, Warburton,

:48:29.:48:32.

again, he has had that captaincy taken off him but I think he has

:48:33.:48:36.

been superb. He seems reborn in the way he is playing. Justin Tipuric,

:48:37.:48:43.

he is one of my favourites. We haven't seen much of Billy Vunipola

:48:44.:48:47.

but I think he is a classic and a player on the front foot. Webb has

:48:48.:48:53.

been great at nine and Sexton superb against England yesterday, really

:48:54.:48:59.

running the show defensively. North has drifted in and out of games but

:49:00.:49:04.

he was superb against Ireland. Owen Farrell, probably one of the players

:49:05.:49:11.

of the tournament. Second distributor there which might work

:49:12.:49:15.

in New Zealand. Joseph hasn't had much game time but almost a winner

:49:16.:49:20.

in the centre. Same with Watson, a good player that we haven't seen

:49:21.:49:26.

much of and Hawk, probably the most dangerous back the Lions could have.

:49:27.:49:32.

I nearly put Williams in that 15 because he has played exceptionally

:49:33.:49:36.

well on the wing but for me, Liam Williams as a full-back but Hogg

:49:37.:49:48.

just does it. OK, what about your selection? Six Welsh men, Adam? The

:49:49.:49:59.

pack, I would go along with, maybe not the captain. A bit like Robshaw

:50:00.:50:07.

with England. I would like Liam Williams. I think if he was there,

:50:08.:50:17.

15, a little bit safer than Hogg. Defensively. Are you would probably

:50:18.:50:25.

like that but that is probably not a bad show. As APPLAUSE I'm just glad

:50:26.:50:40.

he is happy with my front row. We were talking about elevation and

:50:41.:50:52.

he has slipped under the radar. Furlong, number one at the moment?

:50:53.:51:06.

Yes, Vunipola, there are so many, I don't know if Sampson still has

:51:07.:51:12.

problems with his Achilles. He doesn't seem a destructor. Again, I

:51:13.:51:20.

am biased. I've seen him with the Quins and he has that edge. It's not

:51:21.:51:26.

big to be a scrum best out there. I think Sinckler has a decent chance.

:51:27.:51:34.

Peter, no Irish back row? CJ has had a fantastic tournament. Would you go

:51:35.:51:39.

along with Shane's back row options? Phobia for me to take Shane's team

:51:40.:51:45.

apart because he has 64 tests which is 60 for more than I will ever get.

:51:46.:51:52.

But... Shane, I would have Maro Itoje in second round, he has a

:51:53.:51:56.

phenomenal player. I would have him in. A stinker yesterday, though?

:51:57.:52:07.

Yes, as did Farrell, arguably the player of the tournament. At six,

:52:08.:52:12.

Henderson or raw money. I noticed fresh in the mind from yesterday but

:52:13.:52:25.

I think he made such a difference. It's tough on Justin Tipuric but

:52:26.:52:31.

scrum-half I would have Conor Murray. He edges it for me over Rhys

:52:32.:52:37.

Webb. Outside centre, Elliot Daly in preference to Jonathan Joseph

:52:38.:52:40.

because he has a better kicking game. I think he is a really smart

:52:41.:52:50.

rugby player. Do you need two kicking centres, the? Always handy,

:52:51.:53:01.

left and right. Adam knows all about kicking. It is interesting Warren

:53:02.:53:06.

Gatland has the late election until 2019, so means he takes any

:53:07.:53:10.

Champions Cup, quarterfinals, and semi-finals and you have some coming

:53:11.:53:16.

back, George Kruis, the Saracens lock, Scottish tight head, with a

:53:17.:53:20.

bit of luck, who is to say they will not get in? His neck has been pretty

:53:21.:53:31.

bad for a while. He would have been on the plane, I think. James? Liam

:53:32.:53:40.

Williams, I think Vunipola, so many quality players. Toby Faletau for

:53:41.:53:59.

me. He's got time. With Sexton, and Owen Farrell, they need the two I

:54:00.:54:02.

would choose but Gatlin with the game plan, will he go for them? A

:54:03.:54:08.

battering ram? But I would def on the go with Sexton and Farrell.

:54:09.:54:14.

Those that do not make the Lions will hopefully be going on tour,

:54:15.:54:20.

some of the more senior players, but even rating in one of the papers

:54:21.:54:25.

today saying Davies has to start regardless of the Lions. I think now

:54:26.:54:31.

is the time. It is the perfect opportunity for youngsters coming

:54:32.:54:36.

through. Sam Davies has proved his worth for the Ospreys for some time

:54:37.:54:40.

when he has played for Wales, he played exceptionally well. It's

:54:41.:54:43.

difficult not to give him that opportunity. He has almost deserved

:54:44.:54:47.

that as have other players who have played well for their regions and

:54:48.:54:52.

clubs. There is the perfect opportunity, these tours, to get

:54:53.:54:55.

game time and bring confidence back the league and who knows? Who knows?

:54:56.:54:58.

Who knows whether Sam Davies would be starting in the next Six Nations?

:54:59.:55:02.

We don't know. We will have to wait and see. Adam, really desperate to

:55:03.:55:08.

see any Welsh jersey? I think I would like to see Dylan Lewis. I

:55:09.:55:17.

thought he would come through a couple of years back. Great athlete,

:55:18.:55:24.

good ballplayer. I'd like to see him come through, instead of some of the

:55:25.:55:27.

guys ahead of him already. I won't name names.

:55:28.:55:36.

LAUGHTER Another one for me, Beck, I think he offers a kicking game, a

:55:37.:55:44.

passing game. They think that's something we need

:55:45.:55:47.

to. I'd like to see him back in there. I don't know whether he has

:55:48.:55:52.

had injury issues. He is fit at the moment. It could be the answer to

:55:53.:55:56.

what we were talking about earlier, James, the lack of creativity in the

:55:57.:56:04.

Welsh field? Yes. If it's not going quite red, bring the player on and

:56:05.:56:12.

like Shane used to do, in fairness, and... We have 30 seconds, name some

:56:13.:56:22.

players you want to see on tour. Shane should have had his

:56:23.:56:30.

opportunity... I agree with Beck, Olly Cracknell, Thomas Young, Owen

:56:31.:56:38.

Williams, give him a go, I'm not saying he's going to be good enough

:56:39.:56:42.

but try him. There is a lot more to be learned from a Welsh perspective

:56:43.:56:46.

in the South Sea Islands this summer and there will be from the capital

:56:47.:56:50.

Lions in New Zealand. Really interesting. Another great show.

:56:51.:56:52.

Shane Williams, everyone! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Adam Jones!

:56:53.:57:01.

Peter Jackson! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE And thank you

:57:02.:57:09.

to you for watching at home. That is all from Scrum V. There is a

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Facebook live straight afterwards. It was not to be for Wales this year

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but plenty of thrills and spills along the way... Good night.

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MUSIC: Oh No! by Marina and The Diamonds

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The 24-year-old man has been charged with murder.

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You made sure an innocent man is charged!

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What gives you the right to say that he's innocent?

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If police wrongdoing is part of this, I want to know.

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Huntley's definitely hiding something.

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