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26/02/2017

Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries are joined by Phil Bennett, Gwyn Jones, Andy Nicol and Craig Quinnell for a look back at the weekend's Six Nations action.


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The kickers did not want to. We went for the corner. You must give a lot

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of credit to Scotland. They showed a hell of a lot of character. They

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kept pressing in the second half. In the end, they definitely deserved

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the win. They should have credit for that. We have about 100 Welsh people

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in the house and one lone Scotsman. That is worth around of applause!

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Andy Nicol... I was about to say can you have sat on the seat many times

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looking forlorn and defeated. Ten years in a row Wales have beaten

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Scotland. You have every right to look smug. I would gladly have

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walked from Edinburgh to Cardiff. It has been a long time coming but

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there have been painful times in the ten years.

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have sat here at the start of the campaign saying to win matches you

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need to be able to score 30 points. Scotland scored 29 against us and 27

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against Ireland. Three tries against Ireland. We scored one try against

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England and Scotland. The other trouble has been substitutions. We

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make bad substitutions early against England and yesterday it was crying

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out the substitutions when the momentum was leaving us. We feel to

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do that. Picking up on the point about the two halves, what is it

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about the second half? Wales scored three points in the second half

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against Finland and no points against Scotland. Up to half time

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you thought there was no way Wales was going to lose. It took about 30

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minutes Scotland is to realise we are as good as this lot of not

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better. When Scotland upped their game Wales had no answer to it.

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Sometimes we can be too busy condemning the team without

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applauding the team that has got it right. Many people in Wales want

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appreciate this sentiment but what happened yesterday was a marvellous

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thing for the Six Nations. Scotland have taken 20 years to become a

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serious team and it's wonderful for the game in a part of the country

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where they are constantly fighting against Celtic and Rangers that

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Scotland have come up trumps. I go to matches and I think I've seen it

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all but I obviously hadn't. A Welsh captain saying I wanted my kickers

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to kick for goal. In that event why didn't you tell your kicker to go

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for goal. In 1975 when Wales lost 12-10, Phil Bennett came on as a sub

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and Mervyn Davies said kick the ball and you said now I've only just come

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on and he said kick the goal and you missed it! It was calling out for

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leadership in the second half. How disappointed I use that that wasn't

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then. We were very good first half and we looked like creating tries

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and I thought Sam Warburton and Justin to brick combined well. I

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thought Rhys Webb had a great 40 minutes. I thought he played himself

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into the British Lions squad yesterday. Then in the second half

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why they didn't pick this man who came on as said, the Michu on, he

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destroyed our ball the deck. He got there before war but in and we made

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mistakes. The handling was far better. When you hear Alun Wyn Jones

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saying that Dan Biggar had said he's not going to go for goal that is

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incredible. When you are captain and he tells you to go for gold YouGov

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goal. Sean Holley has been poring over the tapes and he has discovered

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what went right for Scotland and what went wrong for Wales. A lot of

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frustrations around yesterday and it was all about the second half. Wales

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had plenty of opportunities particularly in that second half.

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Here we see a great break. A good angle from Jonathan Davies and give

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credit to Rhys Webb for the support when he makes on the inside. Dan

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Biggar is on the outside. Can he bring one of these four players in

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to finish on the space either side. From this line at an old Wales ploy.

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All the backs are in their butt captain Alun Wyn Jones is penalised

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for blocking at the front. And was it wasn't it? Rhys Webb a fantastic

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game. But the TMO showed this was not to be. Scotland seemed to grow

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whereas Wales capitulated. It was error after error. A knock-on here

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from Scott Williams. Luke Charteris spills in the 22. Toby Faletau tried

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to get individual in the 22 and Hamish Watson on it over the ball.

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17 turnovers against Wales which was uncharacteristic. Look on the inside

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for Scotland, Jonathan Davies is now lost, George North is worried about

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the sharp Stuart Hogg and that is enough for the Dutchman to get over

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for a great school. Look how canny Scotland were. Rob Evans and Alun

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Wyn Jones are held in by Fraser Brown. They did this all game and

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created a lot of frustration. They now can't fold around the corner.

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Rhys Webb is in on the tackle but watch was John Barclay does, the

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holes on the floor. Now again Alun Wyn Jones have not got around the

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corner to create that little bit of wit that Liam Williams needs to make

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a better decision. There are too many options to defend and it's a

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sublime finish from Tommy Seymour on the wing. We look at those examples

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and the words that come back is composure, accuracy. Their execution

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deserted them. Yes and not for the first time. We are not scoring

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enough tries. I don't think we have made of evolution. It's hard to see.

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Scotland burst into the game on the 30th minute when they took a quick

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line-out and through two very long passes. We don't play rugby in our

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own half. We kick it up in the year. The game is moved on. We have talked

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about before a long time. Wales used Justin Tipuric a lot in the front of

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the line-out. Then we send Scott Williams down the ten channel so

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Justin Tipuric is out of the game. If we are going to use Scott

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Williams like that we may as well pick Jamie Roberts. We have talked

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it up but I don't necessarily see we are making the evolutionary steps we

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need to to open the game up. We spoke about those points in the

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autumn. If we can see it then why cant people closer to the team. I

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went to a meeting in the principality and Robert Harley was

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talking about evolving. They blew us away, the All Blacks in the third

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test. That one thrashing we had against Australia in the first game

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of the autumn series put us back and put Rob Howley on the defensive and

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we had to go back to the old ways of doing. We have not evolved at all. A

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great servant for Wales, great player, but to see Jamie Roberts

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coming on as sub yesterday said it all for me. Where are the young

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kids? Whereas we have lost composure, you guys grew in

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confidence. Hamish Watson was phenomenal, -- at the breakdown.

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There was a key moment when it was 13-6 and Leigh Halfpenny missed that

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penalty. Although it didn't result in a try it gave Scotland the

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confidence at half-time to say this is how we need to play. But that

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point Wales had dominated the tackle. Alun Wyn Jones and Ross

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Moriarty made a big hits and Sam Warburton was getting over the ball.

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In the second half they are at their game. Scotland had a variety of

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attack. There were long passes, short passes, they were loops, they

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were Danny passes. When Wales had the ball they were just very

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predictable. It was too easy and there was nothing there. Sam Davies

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had to come on before he did because it was only when he came on there

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was any variety in attack. I've been saying from afar, and that needs to

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change. Over the last three fixtures we've seen this recurring theme of

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turning down points. Alun Wyn Jones said he wanted to go to the points

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but the kickers overruled. Let's have a look at exactly what

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happened. Dan Biggar overruling John Lacey

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there are free and his captain. It may be misleading to fixate on one

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morning -- moment but we all know how momentum plays a part in

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international rugby and had they kicked that they could have levelled

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at 16 all. It was a classic example of how Wales had lost the

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leadership. The captain has to telling you have to take that kick.

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He has to be decisive. He didn't and it all unravelled. In many ways the

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most telling shot of all was the one of Wales head coach sitting with his

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Lions kick in the stand. My views are well known on this. I don't

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think Warren Gatland should be with the Lions, he should be with Wales.

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That is a massive job to be done. Once Wales realised they had to

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evolve their game, he should be with Wales. Wales have done more than

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their share of the Lions and there was an overestimation of Wales'

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capacity to do well in this tournament. I thought before the

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tournament they would do well to win two games. I don't see where the

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second one will come from now. Rob Howley, it's a tough world. You can

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win the Premier League in football and it doesn't guarantee your job so

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for Ireland and France he is fighting for his job. The Warren

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Gatland issue comes up time and again. He's going on a second Lions

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tour along with Rob Howley Neil Jenkins. Treble Townsend was sounded

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out and he did not take the opportunity. The think Warren

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Gatland should have taken a longer view and should have stick -- a step

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to the day job. The president was set four years ago and Rob Howley

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took over and you won the championship. It was Warren's

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decision and he wanted it. I don't think Wales have evolved in those

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four years. Warren Gatland has been coach of oil to nine years with that

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coaching team. The coach has always go at shelf life and I wonder have

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they got to that. In Scotland Fearne Cotton is leaving after two games

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having dinner great job and Craig Lawton Townsend is coming in. This

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is not the end of the job, the Scotland team is in the middle of

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its development. Both our countries are at opposite ends of the

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spectrum. The coaches have overstayed their welcome and in

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Scotland were getting rid of one too quickly. I just think that Andy

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knows far more about Scottish rugby but I watch Glasgow quite closely

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and week in week out the play the best rugby in the Pro12. Its

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outstanding 15 man rugby. They play with style and pace. Townsend will

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become the next Scottish coach and I can see them going from strength to

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strength. What worries me is when you look back at the bloodshed

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Williams. James Hook is still playing, Gavin Henson is still

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playing. When you look at the Scottish back three and that Stuart

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Hogg, he looks up and has a go. The Welsh back three normally dealt a

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downfield and that has got to change. Are the Welsh team not given

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enough freedom because I spoke to Finn Russell a few weeks ago and he

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was talking about the freedom the coaches give them as a team to play

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what's in front of them. Is that a reason why? It's part of it. Rob

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Howley has also been in charge with Warren for those years. The success

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of Scotland are getting is built on the way that Glasgow play. When Finn

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Russell gets the ball and Stuart Hogg is in the backfield everyone is

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on edge. You know something is going to happen. That has come through and

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it's taken them a while to come through with Scotland. We are

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predictable, we are physical and direct. The only way you can change

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things is either change the way you play with the tactics that the

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easiest way is with personnel and we are in the same position now as we

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were before the autumn. We have not learnt anything and we have not

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developed any players. We had a glimmer of hope in terms of the

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intensity against England and if we had played with that intensity

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throughout the champion ship we would have been mid-table but we

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will struggle to get there now. What frightens me, I look back at the

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Black Tom Prydie, Hallam Amos, Tyler Morgan, Ashley Beck and all those

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young men coming through and we have seen no sign of them. We had a great

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chance in the autumn series to play those young players. After that

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first loss against Australia Rob Howley went on the defensive and

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picked the tried and trusted. But we did have some guys on the bench or

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could have made a difference. Rob Howley was castigated for taking

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Ross Moriarty of two early last week but yesterday the knot bringing on

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the impact players when there was time to turn the game around. Sam

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Davies should have been on ten minutes earlier than he was. In the

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end Wales' locker was so empty that the brought on the old warhorse

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Jamie Roberts who has been a wonderful player. He is the last

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shot they have got to fire in a losing cause. Who would've thought

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you could lose the half 20-0. I love the Finn Russell and the way he

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plays with a smile on his face and he is prepared to take chances. He

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plays like a Welshman. It concerns me. For me I thought Gavin Henson

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was probably the best midfield player Wales have had over the last

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12 years and it's a crying shame he has only played 30 odd times for

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Wales. He had a good game for Bristol today. He is 34 years of age

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now. I think in many ways Gavin will admit his is an unfulfilled talent

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audition at international level. But where are these new players coming

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through. We've batted Alex Cuthbert because of his defensive

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deficiencies but what about George North yesterday? Sometimes you

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wonder about the attitude of these players. It ceases to amaze me. The

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skill set, coaches are there to improve the skill set. With the best

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will in the world level not seen any improvement in the Welsh skill set.

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We saw the passes going astray and the fumbles and the lack of

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decision. Going back to the attack, the attack us to be a collective

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attack. It's not about individual brilliance, that is the result of

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the space that has been created. You add Rhys Webb and Liam Williams why

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the only two players with any creativity. Scotland now have Finn

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Russell, Ali Price, Hugh Jones, Tommy Seymour, Stuart Hogg with two

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sublime bits of skill with the grubber kick and the pass under

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pressure to Tim Visser. Scotland have now got a collective attack.

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Townsend has forged a lot of that through Glasgow. Both were asked by

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Warren Gatland to be attacked coaches for the Lions and the

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attacked coaches Rob Howley and you look at yesterday and is it the

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right decision? We have heard about from our guests but let's hear from

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the experts who were at the ground yesterday. Today I thought we were

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in control. We had good possession and territory. Our defence was

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strong. But unfortunately we're not creating anything and we don't look

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like scoring tries. International rugby has moved on. It's all about

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creating and scoring tries. Scotland learned their lessons from the first

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half. It wasn't about getting the ball wide, they didn't give us

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opportunities to turnover as easily as we did in the first half. They

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build pressure on us. Scotland to be fair to them scored two wonderful

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tries. Wales had some decent line breaks but they couldn't continue or

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retain the ball to make a good attacking to try. I don't think

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anything happened in that second half would have been from coaches

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orders. It's a case of keeping it tight, stay in the game and try and

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make Scotland make errors. We didn't do it. Ten minutes into the

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second-half Scotland have a lot of momentum and we needed to do

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something. If you are looking to change something that ten is the

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obvious one to do that. Justin Tipuric around the half-time period

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was fantastic. A turnover on Hugh Jones was brilliant. Rhys Webb

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worked his guts out. He was unlucky not to score. There were some

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positives but although the guys went off script and locks composer. --

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lost composure. I think the pack have got to step it up as well. The

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front row have got to get more involved in the game around the

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field. It was like a holding operation in the scrum today and we

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have to find a way to fire up the pack as well as getting the backs to

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take their chances. Let's speak to someone who has

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always got plenty to say for himself. I am falling all over the

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place! Let's hope he hasn't drunk the bar dry, have you, Craig?

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Malabar and Coke? I have a gin and tonic after. You're a Welsh rugby

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fan like the rest of this now so what was your assessment of

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yesterday? It was a hard game. If the kicker is not confident, you

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don't kick, you say, OK, we go to the corner and score. Being a big

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fatty upfront you relish the chance is, you don't have to run 95 yards,

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you only have five yards. You blame Alun Wyn Jones for going with his

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kickers? If the kickers don't want to kick it you go to the corner but

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you go with confidence. Why do you not want to go to the corner? You

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want to push them over, do whatever you have to do, but have confidence

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in doing it. You have been in this position like the Welsh boys are in

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now, off the back of a bad defeat. Yes! They will be feeling so much

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pressure, everyone has an opinion, how will they be dealing with this?

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It will be hard, they have two weeks before the next game, they could

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prove -- would prefer next week so they can put it right but it is hard

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for them. They don't seem to enjoy it when they are winning so losing

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will be worse. We don't play any rugby so where is the fun in chasing

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the ball in the air and just hitting it up? Chase the ball wide, spread

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the field, get running around, enjoyment. You get ten Russell, big

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smile on his face, Hogg, smile on his face, Williams smiling when he

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runs, that's all they want to do, play rugby, and I don't think we do

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it. For the rugby fans to get that enjoyment, what changes would you

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make ahead of Ireland? I don't know, it's difficult to make changes now

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because we have played the same rugby for 89 years as the boys said.

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We are too late to change, we should have made it last summer and brought

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fresh coaches in. You know Rob Howley well. I do. Our defence was

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outstanding. The players attitude is fantastic. It is brilliant what they

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do on the pitch. It is just fine tuning and the way we play and that

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has to be down to the coaches. Can be fixed in a fortnight? No. How

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about that? Craig Canal, everyone. APPLAUSE.

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-- Craig Quinnell. According to Craig Little to cheer in Murrayfield

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yesterday but the under 20s and women have ambitions of their own in

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Scotland. Here's how they got on. COMMENTATOR: Can Wales score of

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their first attack? The drive, a powerful one, Scotland struggling to

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defend it, Wales at the line and they are over. Going a little

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sideways, difficult control for Harris, can she pick up? The ball

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just short of the goal-line and the referee goes straight underneath the

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posts for a penalty try. Thomson with the charge, lovely angle. On

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the hour, pick-up, going herself, lovely off-load to Law, and the try

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for Lloyd. That is another penalty and a chance for Scotland. This

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could be a winning shot. From Law. Our scrum looked superior and our

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line-out was good, it is just our discipline let us down. COMMENTATOR:

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Only three four metre short, a route one ball, and is it a try for

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Cameron Lewis? No problem with the line-out again, taken off the back

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by number eight, a simple walk-in for Baldwin. Jones does well to get

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it to back-up, I the halfway line, defensive ball, and he does.

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Cutout pass finds the number eight. He gets over the line and the

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pressure tells for Scotland. He kicks and finds green. A try for

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Wales, and Williams, in the shadow of the posts of Scotland. Form an

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orderly queue at the moment for Wales, they look to be over the

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line. Steaming up towards the posts. The

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referee awards try. One more pass should do it, and it does for Wales.

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And a bit of a break. Hutchinson, one of the replacements, still

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going. It's going to be a Wales try.

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Pleased overall, I thought it was excellent to watch, real pressure,

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some of the tries we scored, scored 65 points away from home, full

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credit to the players. APPLAUSE.

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A real bounty of points for the under 20s. That takes them back into

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the top half of the under 20 in the Six Nations table. England and

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Ireland leading the way, both unbeaten, England reigning supreme

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with maximum points from their first three fixtures. Similar story for

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the women, England and Ireland leading both joint on 14 points but

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England ahead on points difference, Wales force after that agonising

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last-gasp defeat against Scotland. And there has been some Pro12 action

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this weekend of course and big results, let's look at the

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highlights, starting with the Ospreys at the liberty this

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afternoon. -- the Liberty. COMMENTATOR: He has missed this time

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that good off-load. Fantastic pick-up from Howells. Giles, he is

:36:51.:36:56.

away, you have to credit the try their for Howells. Incredible

:36:57.:37:00.

pick-up. Jones making his presence felt. Matavesi, Giles, spins this

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time, gets away, off-loads to Price, has he got support? What a very good

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kick indeed from Price, it will go all the way, and great play.

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COMMENTATOR: Boyds to Davies, Davies, a little chip over the

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defence, and it is a try for the Scarlet. -- the Scarlets. Leading by

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example, lovely chip from Davies. Boyds controlling again. Gets it to

:37:44.:37:49.

Davies, Davies on a cheeky run, get the tackle, outside him as the

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full-back McNicol, a lovely dummy, he comes back inside, a wonderful

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score for the Scarlets. Davies again, changes direction, Jones with

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a long pass to Williams. Fantastic rugby from the Scarlets.

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The Dragons conceded eight tries and 50 points against a below strength

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Leinster at Rodney Parade, this is the first to open the floodgates,

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taking advantage of a purely ornamental defence before sending

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Conan to the first of a first half brace. Six tries came after the

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break including this one fashioned by Deegan and finished by scrum-half

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Dixon- Park. Dark times indeed for the Dragons.

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COMMENTATOR: Not getting much change in this Edinburgh defence at the

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moment. Williams chooses a different route. He streaks for the line,

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pop-up to Williams and Bennett gets a try for the Blues.

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A little kick for nothing for Williams and it may work out anyway,

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yes, indeed it has! So, a great gutsy win for the

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Cardiff Blues meaning they close the gap slightly on Glasgow ahead of

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them, sixth in that race. Ospreys back second and strong contenders

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for a home semifinal, Scarlets remain fourth with a 5-point cushion

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over Ulster who have a game in hand and it would be rude not to ask you

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about the Scarlets, Phil. Any win is to be treasured but to win when you

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are 15 points down at time this monumental. It was probably the win

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of the season with a side they have, and missing so many players. They

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have a strong squad then now with good forwards and guys like Shingo

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playing the best rugby I believe of his career, outstanding form.

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Eliasson, lots of good young players, but the basis of it all,

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Parks controlling in the centre but the half-backs, Davies when he

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plays, and Jones, Wales under 20, I don't think he has missed a kick for

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five or six games, he controls things. When you are missing key

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players if you have a key outside-half playing well like Dan

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Jones, they are firing on all cylinders. Big match against

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Leinster coming up. John Barclay, what sort of welcome will he get? No

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one will talk to him! He played well yesterday, captained Scotland with

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pride and dignity. . Let's round up the rest of the Six Nations action

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this weekend when Ireland hosted France and England welcomed Italy to

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HQ. COMMENTATOR: OJ the capture. Reset

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on the floor at the moment, on comes the drive. Farrell joins in, tries

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to clear him out of the way. Try awarded. Back to the 22. Penalty

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He has missed it. Something good could come of it though, it has!

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Solid to begin with, moving patch. Penalty to England.

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Courtney Lawes gets the pass away, Care again. Elliot Daly scores

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again. Campagnaro, the strength of Michele

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Campagnaro. Brilliant finish by Campagnaro!

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And still short, penalty advantage, though. Young's had spotted it at

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last, George is out there, it wasn't the best pass but he has the speed.

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England are going to finish in style.

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It has gone backwards, no, can he score a second? He can.

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COMMENTATOR: Still advantage to France, still their penalty, again

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back to Lopez for the crossfield kick, it might work for France. Back

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it goes, and it is a try for France. They might just want to look at

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something. No try. Back for a penalty. Held at

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the back there, and the decision of Nigel Owens. Flat ball to within two

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metres, Conor Murray goes for himself, now gets to within a second

:43:49.:43:58.

move, try given to Conor Murray. The ball turned over, no advantage to

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Ireland, penalty coming, so a free attack, chance or drop goal, and it

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is good, Ireland have the three points.

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Henshaw again, so quick off the mark. Skip infield by Jackson.

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Ireland have the penalty and this will be a chance for Jackson. 13

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from 14 for Jackson, Ireland ten points clear with four minutes of

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this match remaining. Still Ireland's chance to finish with

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another try. Stander set sit back and they say that is enough, they

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will take the victory, Ireland with just that one try, a ten point

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victory over France and their title challenge is still alive.

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STUDIO: Let's look at the table after three rounds, England still on

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track for another Grand Slam. Scotland still in the championship

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after their win over Wales yesterday. Italy despite a good

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first half performance at HQ not even a losing bonus point to show at

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the bottom. England roll on, then, top of the table, but they were

:45:31.:45:33.

spooked in that game, Quinn, and perhaps the most abiding memory for

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me was James Haskell looking bewildered and asking what the rules

:45:39.:45:43.

were. You know where the offside lane is normally all where not to

:45:44.:45:47.

be. It was interesting to see because I have not seen it at that

:45:48.:45:52.

industrial level, it was obviously a premeditated tactic to chat with the

:45:53.:45:57.

referee, saying we will flood the areas. You can't go to the ball

:45:58.:46:00.

because it is an offside line within the tackle but you can stand

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anywhere else. But I think it will cause problems if everyone starts

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doing it because if you don't have offside lines the game will be

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unstructured and people when put anyone in and flood the other side

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of the ball, but it worked brilliantly today. Obviously people

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will do it on going from here and it will be in testing to see how

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coaches come up with strategies to stop them. Matt Dawson has already

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tweeted that he agreed with you that it could ruin rugby. I can't wait to

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see all the clubs here tonight, Armageddon next Saturday! Italy

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needed to do something today. They have been bad in the first two

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games. For credibility in the whole debate we could have about

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relegation and promotion, they need to do something today -- needed to.

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They were innovative. England took too long to cope with what it was.

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It is used a lot in the world sevens series, without the offside line.

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They took too long to work it out today. My issues it is almost over

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coaching, the players do what the coach tells you. It crystallises the

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moment when no coach had thought about it and the players took time

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to think on their feet. I have never seen a team is flummoxed as England

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for 40 minutes, it was hilarious and they looked eminently beatable but

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no one has got round to doing it and they are 17 in a row now. I wouldn't

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rule out Scotland winning at Twickenham in two weeks. Stop it!

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Law of averages, 34 years since the last happened. Ireland of course

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beating France in Dublin. Jonny Sexton was back. How much of a

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difference does he make, as Jackson has been playing well. Great form

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for Ireland but Jonny Sexton on his day is one of the leading half a

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dozen fly-halves in world rugby and is vital to Ireland, a great

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tackler, good defensively, but what he brings, different angles and ways

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of playing. He is vital for Ireland and has come through injury free and

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will be a huge threat to Wales next Friday. Great win for Ireland in

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what is evident for me as the ball carrying on the back row, Sean

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O'Brien, Stander, huge ball-carriers. Which leads us nicely

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to Sean Holley, looking at Ireland during this championship, what have

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you made of them? A tough two weeks for Wales but in Ireland we have a

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confident team gunning for the title. They are also difficult to

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beat. As Phil Bennett said it is about their ball-carriers in the

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back row, using them to cut the line. Get them into midfield and it

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cuts down the space they have. Look at the gain line, give Jackson and

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Sexton space to allow the outside backs to get over the gain line.

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Stander has been a principal ball-carrier in the Six Nations

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already. Heaslip, more of a ball player, then the basher O'Brien.

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They work in tandem all the time, it sucks defenders into the rucks and

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earls and Carney have benefited in the wider channels, but they work so

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well in tandem. Here is seven, guess who follows, eight. They suck

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defenders in, and there is six, Stander, doing the rest. Wales must

:49:28.:49:32.

combat this. They are almost marauding players at the moment but

:49:33.:49:37.

there is one saving grace. They do have run around techniques and a

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smart coaching team and in Sexton they needed to get him in the game.

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This full France a little because they expected big ball-carriers but

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the forwards into play pass got the likes of Ringrose and Henshaw into

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play. Watch Heaslip, the French defender is expecting a big

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ball-carrier but no, he is also ballplayer and puts Carney and on

:49:59.:50:02.

the angle. The saving graces they get isolated, they carry so much

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that you cannot attack them at this area. If Warbler and -- Mark

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Warburton Agger Bridge are true to form there will be opportunities to

:50:12.:50:15.

steal it. Can they target Stander or Rob Ryan on their own? How can Wales

:50:16.:50:19.

beat them, how did Scotland beat them? They expose them in the wider

:50:20.:50:24.

channels. If you get good go forward they get tight around the rat, look

:50:25.:50:29.

at this angle with Earls, the widest back, offering space. As they did

:50:30.:50:33.

against Wales Scotland but their white guys here and exploited them

:50:34.:50:38.

with the gas. Hogg does the rest. As I said, a long fortnight of planning

:50:39.:50:43.

for Wales, and I will ask you, Phil, will it be about selection, do we

:50:44.:50:48.

just the performance or is it a must win game? That is a great one there!

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I think it is about time we took a chance and said, let's go for gold.

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That means for me Liam Williams has to go back for full-back and let him

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attack from there. Then I would choose from two wings in one

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position, either Evans or Giles, whichever is red-hot in training.

:51:09.:51:11.

Made his comeback today for the Ospreys. The other wing, the liver

:51:12.:51:17.

to George North, between and Halfpenny. I would say is it time we

:51:18.:51:24.

gave Sam Davies a chance to say, starred, if you are good enough,

:51:25.:51:29.

play the game at number ten, and upfront... APPLAUSE.

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I don't know... Just to go back to Sam Davies, we can keep on bringing

:51:37.:51:40.

him on with 15 minutes to go but he has to start. Upfront quickly I

:51:41.:51:44.

might bring Charteris back into the second row and if he is fit maybe

:51:45.:51:48.

fell at our number eight but we have to really give our youngsters a

:51:49.:51:53.

chance -- maybe Toby Faletau at number eight. I think we can expose

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Ireland. We said it in the autumn, we spoke about the back three and

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fly half, we never seem to be in a position to throw caution to win.

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Yes, but that is the same team I was picked as Bill has outlined and we

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haven't been chatting earlier! The championship is gone and unless we

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waste more time, we don't know if Davies or Evans can do it at this

:52:23.:52:25.

level but the longer they stay on the touchline is the longer we will

:52:26.:52:29.

not know. They have deficiencies but Russell had deficiencies when he

:52:30.:52:33.

started and look at the player he has become. It is unfair on Biggar

:52:34.:52:38.

because he played so well against England, but we know what is unfair

:52:39.:52:42.

-- what we get from him when he plays, that competitive spirit, we

:52:43.:52:46.

want to see if Davies offers something different. Rob Howley was

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saying yesterday, I trust my bench. If he trusts Sam Davies and other

:52:51.:52:54.

members of the squad he would start against Ireland and give them their

:52:55.:52:58.

head because otherwise he is saying basically he doesn't trust them. I

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think we are in a position with George North as we were with Alex

:53:02.:53:06.

Cuthbert, picking a guy who consistently doesn't play well but

:53:07.:53:10.

we keep picking him. They chopped Rick -- dropped Jamie Roberts for

:53:11.:53:13.

poor defensive mistakes in the autumn. They will have to do the

:53:14.:53:17.

same for consistency with George North. Here is the dilemma, if they

:53:18.:53:21.

throw caution to the wind unpick all the players Howley hasn't entrusted

:53:22.:53:25.

with that responsibility yet and winning becomes not the priority but

:53:26.:53:29.

performance, what about world rankings? We know Wales are likely

:53:30.:53:33.

to drop to 7000 result of that defeat now and we know what happened

:53:34.:53:38.

before the World Cup when we dropped out of the top eight and ended up in

:53:39.:53:44.

the pool of death. I don't give a fig for World Cup, World Cup

:53:45.:53:50.

ratings! That is irrelevant at this stage. There is no way he can name

:53:51.:53:54.

an unchanged team on Friday week for Ireland and I agree with Phil

:53:55.:53:59.

Bennett I can't believe Keelan Giles didn't play in November and Steph

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Evans didn't play against England last week. Why were these changes

:54:04.:54:09.

not made three weeks ago? But this question is predicated on if we take

:54:10.:54:12.

this team we have a chance of winning which no one can see

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happening. The championship is gone, let's make changes and see what we

:54:17.:54:20.

can do if we open it up and counterattack and let Davies take

:54:21.:54:24.

the ball flatter, see if we can create chances and score more tries,

:54:25.:54:29.

otherwise we will not beat Ireland or anyone else. And Stuart Hogg

:54:30.:54:32.

looked up one occasion in midfield and said, what is in front of me, I

:54:33.:54:44.

will go here, other times he will kick the ball. We don't do that at

:54:45.:54:48.

full-back for Wales, we don't have people looking up and saying it is

:54:49.:54:51.

on, and we have to give them license to play. Williams could do that at

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15. Your last two games are against the sides playing our first two

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games so we know it is power. The analysis, not just Ireland, against

:54:58.:55:02.

France, it is direct, physical, it is brutal. Sam Davies will be

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targeted, absolutely, but you have don't -- to find out about this kid

:55:07.:55:10.

and see if he can cope. I am not sure they will but I think they

:55:11.:55:14.

should. They think they will go with Dan Biggar because they know what

:55:15.:55:17.

they will get and they need to win, Wales needs to win a week Friday. Is

:55:18.:55:23.

the way to beat Ireland is to get the ball into wide channels, Sam

:55:24.:55:26.

Davies with his distribution is the man to do that, isn't it? He has

:55:27.:55:30.

been outstanding with the Ospreys. The thing we don't know is if you

:55:31.:55:35.

can do it internationally. We have to find this out and forever we can

:55:36.:55:38.

have them on the bench and say he played brilliantly for the Ospreys

:55:39.:55:43.

and come on for ten minutes. We have to take a chance and see if he can

:55:44.:55:46.

do it. I think Ireland are vulnerable on the wings. If we have

:55:47.:55:50.

two decent wingers with Pace had somebody with metal -- in midfield

:55:51.:55:53.

to move the ball we have a chance but for goodness sake let the young

:55:54.:55:57.

man have a go. Dan Biggar has been outstanding for Wales, let's see if

:55:58.:56:01.

he can offer something different. Would you consider Biggar at 12 and

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Davies at ten and have the two playmaker role? Wales lacked

:56:08.:56:10.

creativity, get two playmakers in and see if that makes a difference,

:56:11.:56:15.

try something different. Are we in a position now, such as Ireland ten

:56:16.:56:19.

years ago and England a couple of years ago, do we not need to do what

:56:20.:56:23.

they did, throw youngsters into the mix? Every nation has been through

:56:24.:56:30.

what we are going through. We can only come out of it better, right?

:56:31.:56:34.

I'm trying to be positive, do you think that? If you keep doing what

:56:35.:56:38.

is not working nothing will change. That's my point. We have been saying

:56:39.:56:43.

this for a long time. I think we all agree, everyone is, we need to take

:56:44.:56:47.

that step forward, make a leap of faith that may be a step back before

:56:48.:56:51.

reaping the rewards Scotland are doing now, that if we keep playing

:56:52.:56:56.

the same way, conservatively, without the power players other

:56:57.:57:00.

teams have, we will keep having the same results. What concerns me is

:57:01.:57:05.

the Lions distraction. We have the Chief Executive and chairman saying

:57:06.:57:10.

it is good, our coaches will learn more by going to New Zealand with

:57:11.:57:14.

the Lions. I don't buy that because didn't rub off after Australia in

:57:15.:57:18.

2013. I think the Welsh coaches should be with the Welsh team in the

:57:19.:57:23.

South Pacific. It is a big tour now. I don't think Welsh will get a say

:57:24.:57:27.

in that one. Martin Phillips has said it is good for our country is

:57:28.:57:31.

to go on Lions tours because they will learn more which in the and

:57:32.:57:37.

will be good for our team. I don't see evidence of that, that's all I'm

:57:38.:57:43.

saying. Oh! We will discuss this further because we have run out of

:57:44.:57:47.

time. Please, please, give a round of applause for Phil Bennett... Gwyn

:57:48.:57:56.

Jones... Peter Jackson... And Andy Nichol. APPLAUSE That is it from, so

:57:57.:58:01.

Scotland have beaten Wales for the first time since 2007, just pride

:58:02.:58:07.

left to play for now for Wales and title chasing Ireland are the next

:58:08.:58:10.

visitors to the Principality Stadium.

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We will catch you soon. Good night. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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It was such a glorious world of music and culture and connections.

:59:06.:59:10.

In '90s Wales, confidence flourished.

:59:11.:59:12.

What you wanted was actually happening.

:59:13.:59:16.

We celebrated our differences and felt liberated like never before.

:59:17.:59:20.

I was gabbing an opportunity to give my kids a better life.

:59:21.:59:24.

On the day of the vote, it was a no-brainer for me.

:59:25.:59:29.

So, apparently Red Nose Day is back. Cool. We love Red Nose Day.

:59:30.:59:38.

Yes. So, Comic Relief have asked if we could maybe help this year.

:59:39.:59:43.

Comic Relief? Yes. So, like, what is that? Right.

:59:44.:59:45.

Like, I don't even know what that is. No.

:59:46.:59:47.

So, Comic Relief is the charity that actually invented Red Nose Day.

:59:48.:59:50.

OK, cool. Yes. So that's, like, who knew?

:59:51.:59:52.

OK, cool. So... Like Red Boot Day. No, hang on! Red Toes Day.

:59:53.:00:03.

So, the thinking was that, as head of brand, you could perhaps... Sure.

:00:04.:00:07.

Phil Bennett, Gwyn Jones, Andy Nicol and Craig Quinnell join Sarra and Ross as we return to the club to discuss and analyse the weekend's action from Scotland v Wales, Ireland v France and England v Italy.