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Good evening. This is BBC Newsline with Donna Traynor and Sarah

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Travers. The headlines this Thursday evening: controversial

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killings by the police, the ombudsman says they cannot be

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investigated. Joins me in West Yorkshire will where I will find

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out why this practice could be leading the way for surgeries in

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Northern Ireland. The enterprise minister denies a conflict of

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interest in the awarding of a gas contract. Is this one of the best

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places in the world to visit next year. It represents the zeitgeist.

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Great stories and personality. It is honest. We will hear from our

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two golfers trying to win the championship in We'll hear from our

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two golfers trying to win the world championship in China and we've got

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the goals which mean at least Northern Irelands women can qualify

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for the European Championships. And it's wet and very windy at the

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moment, but will it improve by tomorrow? I'll tell you shortly.

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Some of the most controversial killings of the Troubles can't be

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re-investigated because they're caught in a legal limbo. Nearly 50

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cases where RUC officers were responsible for the deaths were

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referred to the Police Ombudsman's office four years ago, but no new

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investigations have taken place. Our Home Affairs Correspondent

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Vincent Kearney has this exclusive report.

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The inquiries team was set up to investigate the death during the

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Troubles. But not for those where police were responsible. That

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included the death of five Republicans in 1982. Under

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allegations that they were using a shoot-to-kill policy.

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Investigations into deaths by the state must be fully independent. As

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they are accountable to a to Constable, it cannot investigate

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killings by police officers. Four years ago it past the files on 49

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such killings to the police ombudsman. As far as he was

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concerned, they would be investigated by an independent body.

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But they weren't. The Office said they are prevented from conducting

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fresh investigations to determine whether any of the police officers

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involved were guilty of a criminal offence. The problem is it prevents

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the Police Ombudsman from investigating any matters

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previously investigated by police and less there is new evidence. The

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result of that is that we are in a situation where those being

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reinvestigated will only be those deaths of police actions. That

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means that no matter where the years were spent investigating

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killings, or just hours, the Office cannot launch any new investigation

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into what happened. Although concerns about the legal status of

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the cases were raised in the office four years ago, it is only in

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recent months that it has sought independent advice. And the

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families of most of those killed have not been informed about the

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legal problems. Why has it taken so long? We thought the case earlier

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this year might result in clarification, and it has. We

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cannot investigate these matters. We are conscious about the families

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involved, those traumatised by the experience. Losing their loved ones.

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We need to be clear about the position before we contact those

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families. We are now clear on our position and can engage with those

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families as a result of this. director of the investigation

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described the situation as unfair, but said the office is powerless to

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act. It is not an equitable position. We will have debts for

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which the army are responsible reviewed by H T C. We have all

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manner of deaths in the Troubles, with be proportionally small number

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for which the police were responsible. That seems to me to

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raise moral, if not a legal issue. It is unfair. There is no equity.

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That seems to be missing. ombudsman now plans to ask for new

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legislation to investigate these cases. Already under intense

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pressure, following a series of revelations from the office in

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recent months, the fact the ombudsman has not of many of the

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families about what is going on is likely to me to more criticism.

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Our local health service is in the spotlight this week with a major

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review likely to recommend big changes in the way it delivers

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services. We've looked at obesity and elderly care, tonight we focus

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on GP surgeries which the review says should provide more services,

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like specialist treatment you now get in hospital. A GP, who is

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advising the review team, says you don't need more money for that,

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just people working more efficiently. His surgery is in West

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Yorkshire. So our correspondent Marie-Louise Connolly travelled

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there to discover the sort of surgery heading our way.

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Good morning. As well as providing routine services, this practice

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near Bradford in England also specialises in treating illnesses

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like diabetes and heart conditions. That means patients in this one

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building can not only see their GP, but be referred to a specialist to

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treats them here rather than in hospital. You know you can ring

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them and you know they will ring you back with any queries.

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Especially with the heart condition, it is put in my mind at rest.

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doctor is a GP but also specialises on practice -- plastic and other

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surgeries. According to him, shifting some services out of

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hospitals and into the community is better value for money. There is

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nothing to stop Northern Ireland from doing this today. It would

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take may be two or three years to get the expertise in general

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practice, but some GPs could be doing this work. You could easily

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move specialists into communities however. The current health review

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will impact on how and where GPs operate in future. Surgeries may be

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expected to merge, but like here in east Belfast, there are seven

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individuals Sir trees along Springfield Road. That adds

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additional cost. There are not additional funds, and they realise

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work has to be done. The service cannot be run the way it has been.

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It must be more efficient and run in a different way. Some practices

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are already moving in the direction that he would like. Here in east

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Belfast, instead of waiting for a hospital appointment, patients can

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be treated for his ear, nose and throat problems. From those we see,

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and discharged from our clinic, it is 97 per cent. Very much shorter

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waiting times. Can savings be made by shifting services from a

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hospital to a community setting? According to figures from the

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Bradford surgery, yes. It has saved the local health economy there over

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�115,000. That is all very well. It is fine in principle and what we

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should be trying to do. In England they have incentive eyes things by

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putting money in Sirte that the GPs have more money and money can be

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saved from the hospital budgets. In Northern Ireland, as I understand

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it, we are not thinking about models of that kind. But it is good

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common sense and it will happen. There are aware that it must be

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realistic. In order to bring a service like this one to a surge

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Rhynie you, money will have to be transferred away from hospitals and

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into GP practices instead. While that is good news for doctors, it

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could put a question mark on operations for some hospitals.

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Our viewers' panel gives us an insight into what some of our

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audience think about a wide range of subjects. It's a sample of

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opinions across Northern Ireland. This week we have their views on

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the health service. Looking at seven services including A&E,

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prescriptions and hospital car parking our question was what they

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would 'least be willing to pay for'. 28% of those asked said the last

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thing they'd want to pay for is a visit to the GP. And while almost

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everyone - 98% - told us they would go to their GP rather than to

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accident and emergency if the relevant services were available

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and surgeries were open longer. Thank you to our audience panel for

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taking part in that. All week you've been getting involved with

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the debate on the future of the health service on our social media

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pages. There's Facebook, where today there has been chat about how

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the GP's surgery could offer more services and hospitals less.

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There's quite a bit of concern about any potential impact on

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waiting times to see a doctor and you can also let us know what you

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think on Twitter and on BBC Newsline email. And tomorrow on the

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programme, the Health Minister Edwin Poots will be with us to talk

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about the issues we've highlighted this week.

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The Enterprise Minister Arlene Foster says she's had no role in

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the granting of a licence for gas exploration in Fermanagh and has NO

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interest in the issue to declare. The Green Party leader Steven Agnew

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wants the First Minister to sack her because she failed to declare

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her husband's ownership of land within the exploration zone. Here's

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our Political Correspondent Gareth Gordon. Beneath an area covering

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thousands of acres may lie the answer to much of our energy

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problems. Guess could lurk here, and an Australian exploration

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company has been given licence to find it. Extracting that, known as

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for King, is controversial. I spent ages looking for solutions for

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Northern Ireland, ways to bring gas to the West. Ways to bring an

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alternative supply of energy to the people of Northern Ireland. Instead,

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the alternative from the Green Party is to sit in a dark room with

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a blanket over our heads. Controversy number two, the

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minister's husband owns a small piece of land within the zone. Some

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claimed she broke the ministerial code by failing to declare an

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interest. Something she denies. was granted by officials. I have

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had no impact in any of the discussion or granting of licences.

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There is no declaration to make. When I get involved in decision-

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making, then I will make a declaration. The first minister

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this evening gave the minister his support. She has never supported

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anybody having that piece of ground for that use. The question was

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whether there was a danger, she has a particular view on that subject

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which is evident from this, she is trying to push forward to this.

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Others feel then is to be more transparency. This is not a

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platform for me or anyone else to attack the Minister. We need to be

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very careful. I will not be attacking her or embarking on a

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witch hunt. What we need to see our facts. It is not about hounding the

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minister. The Assembly committee has asked to meet the minister next

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week. You can see the rest of the interview on BBC2 at 7:30pm. A

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businessman from Londonderry has said he thought he and his family

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would be killed during a robbery at their home. Three gunmen broke into

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Kevin Doherty's house at Bridgend in County Donegal on Sunday evening.

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Mr Doherty, his wife and 18 month old daughter were held at gunpoint,

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while the men searched the house. He was then bundled into a van and

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forced to hand over six thousand pounds of cash and cigarettes from

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his business. An attempt to annul the bankruptcy

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of Fermanagh businessman Sean Quinn, will be the subject of a two day

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hearing in Belfast next month. Mr Quinn owes the former Anglo Irish

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Bank more than 2 billion euros. He's told his local newspaper he's

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determined to fight on and rebuild his family's reputation. From

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County Fermanagh, Julian Fowler reports. The Irish bank resolution

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company, the new name of Anglo Irish Bank is trying to annul the

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bankruptcy in Belfast and retrieve the debts the Quinn family owners.

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His barrister told today's hearing that it would take several weeks to

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prepare for the case, but will now be heard over just two days before

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Christmas. For a man who avoids the media glare, he has given a

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revealing insight to a local newspaper. He talked about being

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very her after losing his empire. Some very personal feelings. Since

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losing his businesses. He seemed very hurt but very determined that

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he was going to be built his empire. He tells the newspaper he feels a

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sense of injustice over what He told the paper he intends to

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write at tell-all book about his business empire been stripped from

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his control. He also says that we have not seen the last of the

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Quinns as he attempts to restore the family name.

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Still to come - Ireland get off to a roaring start at golf's World Cup.

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And the unique insight into life on board the Titanic.

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In just over three years' time, the Tall Ships first set to sail into

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Belfast again. But now, it is the Titanic that is getting to us

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talking. Building work on the memorial is

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almost completed ahead of the ship's commemoration next year.

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That is why a major travel magazine has lost a Belfast as one of the

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places to visit in 2012. The Tall Ships are coming back and

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while many of us will look forward to seeing them again, it is the

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Titanic that really has Belfast in the spotlight. We are told to

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expect an influx of international visitors in the spring. The

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National Geographic magazine Hill Belfast as one of the top travel

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destinations in the world. Also on the West a Columbia, oh man and

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Central Africa. So, why here? why not ex permission mark -- well,

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why not! It is this anniversary of the Titanic, the hundred

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anniversary this year. Also, it is like that place that has not been

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trampled by tourism. I loved its purity. The accolades do not end

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there. The Financial Times has listed Belfast as one of the top 10

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places in the world to hold or conference. Have they got it right?

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We are actually rule, compared with Rome, Paris and New York. From that

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point of view, I think it is pretty ridiculous! -- role. We're in a

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very good position coming into 2012 to capitalise on this. Nobody

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wakens up and decide, you have to go to Belfast. We have to exploit

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these accolades and market our city because we are in excellent

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destination, we are great value and now is the time to come to Belfast.

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Whether you think the reports have got it right or wrong, it is

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looking like 2012 is going to be busy in the city.

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In a few minutes, we have remarkable photographs from a

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passenger on the Titanic who was ordered off the ship just before it

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set off across the Atlantic. And news today that the birthplace of

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the Titanic, Belfast Harbour, has started to create a new terminal

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which will harness the power of wind turbines. It will create over

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100 construction jobs. The terminals and expected to be

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finished within the next 12 months. We know that drinking is bad for

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your health and we know that, the younger you are, the worse for your

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health but getting that message through to teenagers has always

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been a trial. Over a period of 32 months, we followed approximately

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3,000 young people. They were split into two groups. One was given a

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special programme on the other was given special -- normal curriculum

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provision. Over time, we saw that one group had a better knowledge of

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alcohol, they were exposed to West harm caused to the cells and less

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harm from the environment. -- cost That was funded by the Public

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Health Agency. For many parents out there, talking to their teenagers,

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it is quite a challenge getting the tone right. This seems to have

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reworked. What is the secret? programme is very practical and

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realistic. It engages people about it issues which they face at the

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weekend and during the week. That is its key. The other bit of that

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is about supporting parents and the number of years ago, we launched a

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media campaign around you, your child and alcohol. That contained

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additional information for parents. The key messages around that are,

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start talking to your children about alcohol as early as you can,

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talk to them about the risks and the dangers and due expectations

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around whether, at what age parents expect in terms of young people's

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behaviour around alcohol. younger the start, the more damage

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they do. That has been Provan. is. The evidence would suggest that

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children should have totally alcohol-free lives up until the age

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of 14 and ideally, up until the age of 18. But the key thing is, get

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talking? The key thing is, get talking. Thank you.

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First, we have the Gulf News. Two of our brightest stars are trying

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to were of -- trying to win a world Championship this week.

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The dynamic double-act are trying to go one better this year after

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finishing runners up last year. Rory McIlroy and Graeme McDowell Y

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in the second place after today's play. Here is what the pair had to

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say. It seems to be a pretty nd -- pretty windy island. The forecast

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is for the wind to continue to blow. This is a tough golf course here.

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You have to control your iron play coming into the greens. It gives us

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the opportunities to set up birdies. The format of the four balls is

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that you need to hang around and not used to it -- not lose too much

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ground. This tournament is won and lost in the foursomes. Our mind

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said was, as long as we were in a few short of the lead, we were in a

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good position. Now the Northern Ireland men's

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football team may not have made it to Euro 2012, but the women have a

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great chance of qualifying. They have completed a successful double

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header of matches, beating Norway and drawing with Hungary.

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Northern Ireland continued their fine run of form last night, taking

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a first athlete. It is a really exciting time with Northern Ireland.

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We are a young team and we are building on those performances and

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starting to show more maturity so that we can beat teams within the

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top 10 in Europe. Despite too late Hungarian draws -- Hungarian goals

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denying the team victory, it was a good result following their

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remarkable result against Norway. We did not have many expectations

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and I had the gut feeling before the match that, one of these times

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against the top nations, we would get a good result and it just

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happened on Saturday night that everything went our way. They had a

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better than I'd made in defence. Our goalkeeper put us through. We

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had them on the counter-attack. Northern Ireland are now third with

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a game in hand on the leaders Iceland and Belgium.

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The women showing the men how should be done. I knew would enjoy

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that! Imagine you had taken dozens of

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pictures of the world's most famous ship just days before it had sank.

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And then you were asked not to talk about it so that the tragedy could

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fade from memory. That is just what happened when an

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Irish Jesuit priest, who had been on board the Titanic, was told in

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1912. The story of the Titanic's

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passengers is the tale of how fate intervened to save some and condemn

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others to the waters of the Atlantic. One of those lucky enough

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to get off the ship before it sank was Father Frank Browne. He was a

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Jesuit student priest and a keen photographer. Whilst he was on the

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liner from Southampton to Cherbourg and back to Queenstown, now Coven

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county court, he took scores of pictures. -- now Cobh in County

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Cork. One of my favourite is this one, showing the anchor coming up

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for the last time. It was never lowered again. This also shows the

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part of the Titanic that actually hit the iceberg. The photos other

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fantastic record of the luxury liner and were used by movie

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director James Cameron to recreate the ship for the Hollywood

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blockbuster. Each tells its own poignant story. The child and

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father in this image had a terrible fate, both of them died after being

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saved from the Titanic. Father Frank Browne wanted to go on to New

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York but when he telegraphed his religious order for permission, he

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was ordered off the ship. He said it was the only time holy obedience

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had saved a man's life! We are going to have a bit of

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everything. Strong winds and rain are coming in over the weekend. As

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we go through the night, that so rain will clear away. A chilly

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night in prospect. We hold on to the strong winds. They will stay

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with us tomorrow. It will be unsettled as well for a while.

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There will be some rain piling in from the West, with those strong

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winds. Elsewhere, it will be a dry a picture, not as dull as grey as

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today. As a result, we will see more in the way of sunshine. Strom

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winds and noticeably colder tomorrow. -- strong winds. It will

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be at a further hats, scarves and It will be a cold night in some

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places. Eventually, we will begin to see outbreaks of rain during the

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early hours of Saturday. It will be very windy through to Saturday,

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with gale-force gusts of wind at times. Because of any wet weather

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