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Long-standing angst systemic failings in the way Pembrokeshire

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council deals with child abuse allegations. Details of a damning

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Also on the programme: the Welsh Secretary joins officers from Wales

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drafted in to help police the streets of London.

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How did classified government documents end up in this hedge in

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Pembrokeshire? You hear about these things

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happening all the time but I couldn't understand how it got

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there. Back in the team. Gavin Henson

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given the chance to claim a World Cup place.

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And Premier League press for Swansea City as they prepare for

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Good evening. Pembrokeshire council has been heavily criticised over

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the way it deals with allegations of abuse against children. A

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scathing report says the shortcomings are up long-standing

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and systemic. It says the abuse wasn't effectively dealt with and

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that in some cases, the recommendations of the police and

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social services were ignored. In some instances, the report says,

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the previous good record of staff outweighed the duty to protect

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children. Our correspondent is in Pembrokeshire tonight.

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How did this report come about? What instigated this investigation,

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really, was a case back in 2009. That of David Thorley, a head

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teacher in Pembrokeshire. He was jailed for two years for nine

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counts of sexually assaulting girls in his care. Following that, the

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bodies investigating looked at 25 cases of alleged professional abuse

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between 2007 and 2011. They found three cases of potential immediate

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risk of harm to children. It is within those three cases that they

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found this catalogue of failure, as they call it, saying there is a

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lack of oversight, not only by officials but also those at the

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very top. The report also says that at times, it seems that the

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reputation of the local authority was more important than

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safeguarding the need of children. A very damning report in terms of

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those three elements. What is the very act -- what is the

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reaction? We have heard from the Welsh

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government. They have said it is completely unacceptable. There was

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a lack of failure to instigate the most basic of needs for the council

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and the minister with responsibility has been strongly

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critical of what has been happening in Pembrokeshire.

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This is the failure of delivery. We don't need any more policies,

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guidance, inspectors or regulations. We have got all of that in place.

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It is a matter for Pembrokeshire to deliver safe services to its

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citizens, including children and young people.

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We will get some more reaction. I am joined by John Davies, the

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leader of Pembrokeshire Council. The first question is, given this

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catalogue of failure highlighted in this report, how did you not know

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exactly what was going on? It is important we first expressed

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her disappointment and dismay in this report and there is work for

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us to do, as elected members, across the board. We recognise the

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duty that we now have and the obligation, regarding to

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safeguarding the young people of done that share. The fact remains,

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as you quite rightly say, it is a matter of dealing not just with the

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25 but the 18,000 pupils through our schools and various

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institutions. It captures 25 cases over four years, of which three

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have been thoroughly investigations once more.

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Winner of the Welsh government will be putting in place and external

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team to make sure that they implement any changes that are

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needed. What kind of changes are needed to make sure this thing

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doesn't happen again? We need to instil reassurance in

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people that Pembrokeshire is a safe place to live and learn and that is

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why people became aware of this in July and that is when we instigated

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an improvement board. That has been embraced, as well, by the minister.

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We welcome the additional individuals she has identified two

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work parallel to that, to make sure that the agenda of dealing with

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safeguarding remains paramount and that the top of our priority list.

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If parents are concerned, what can you do to reassure them?

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The first application of reassurance is about allowing

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people access to providing us with information and being able to give

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them information. We have established today hot line to allow

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people to have that dialogue with us. And also with regards to

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reassure people that children in a better have not come to any harm.

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The report applies to the potential of harm, rather than actual harm.

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That is what we are saying. John Davies, Thank you. Some

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serious concerns raised but the council determined to get to grips

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with the issues. The Prime Minister has praised the

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role of police officers from Wales in helping to control and rest in

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London. David Cameron said the Welsh forces had offered great

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support for the Metropolitan Police, but he rejected calls to scrap

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planned cuts in police numbers here. Eight people here have been

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arrested on suspicion of using social networking sites to incite

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criminal behaviour. Our parliamentary correspondent reports.

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On the beat in Peckham. The Secretary of State for Wales joined

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officers from Welsh forces helping to police a part of London hit by

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an arrest. Officers from raised -- officers have been praised for

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bringing calm to the police. I think it is very impressive.

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Wales may have escaped the riots but there have been eight arrests

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across the country of people suspected of using social

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networking fights to incite criminal behaviour after the riots

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in England. A new phenomenon the police have to deal with.

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If you are inciting, for example, a serious offence, you could face the

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same range of penalties as the perpetrator of that offence. In

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this situation it is unlikely that will happen because I think the

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police and the prosecuting authorities will have difficulty

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but evidence. In Westminster, it was back to work

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for Welsh MPs. An emergency recall of Parliament. A chance to put the

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prime minister on the spot. Does the Prime Minister realise

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that in times of economic downturn, inquisitive crime increases. The

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difference is that -- the difference this week was that it

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was backed up by extreme violence perpetrated by mobs. Can you

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reconsider the cuts to police budget? You will be seen as giving

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in to common sense. David Cameron disputed the link and

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said responsibility lay with criminals.

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Let me take this responsibility to pay tribute to the Welsh police

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officers that gave great support to police forces across England.

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That didn't satisfy opposition MPs. He commends Welsh police forces for

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sending people down to London but in the next four years, we will

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have 1,200 fewer officers in Wales and it will be more difficult for

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us to help you out. Among the 16,000 police in London,

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Special Constable David Davies. He said police are afraid to use

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physical force. When the Prime Minister says we

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will be robust and do whatever it takes, can he reassure us that

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members of this house will support the police if they have destroyed

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people with batons? Force has to make -- force has to be met with

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force. The prime minister agreed with the

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Welsh Liberal-Democrat that any inquiry should look at the success

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of cities such as Cardiff in preventing disorder.

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David is at Westminster, where the debate is coming on.

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I can tell you that two men from South Wales have been charged with

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inciting violent behaviour and will appear in court in Cardiff tomorrow.

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Here, the debate goes on. With me, one of those MPs who we heard

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earlier. David Davies. He is also a special constable. You were out on

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the streets in your volunteer police officer role last night. How

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was the atmosphere? It was a strange atmosphere I have

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not experienced before. A lot of fear and many members of the public

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were scared. They were scared to walk the streets and asking us what

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was going on. There was a lot of attention when we spotted 50 masked

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youth who were behaving in a fairly unpleasant fashion. Fortunately,

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that incident didn't get violent. A strange atmosphere with sirens

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going off everywhere. We saw armoured vehicles that I have never

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seen before going past us. It is not a site when it expects in

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London. You talk about the need for force

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to be met with greater force by police, isn't that given to

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legitimise police brutality? It is not. To my mind, there is a

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difference between the brutality demonstrated on the streets against

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property and individuals that we have seen far too much of, and

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alarming the police to use force in it order to deal with it.

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Were you happy with the prime minister's response?

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I was. Officers have said to me, it is all very well saying that but

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will we get that support, if we strike somebody with a baton, are

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we going to be supported? I have heard MP's complaint in the past

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when police have used batons fought Catling people.

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-- or if they cattle people. The debate has been extended by an

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hour. Over to the studio. The funeral of a 12-year-old boy

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who died after being hit by falling goalposts took place today. Casey

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Breese had been playing with his friends on a football pitch in

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Caersws in Powys when the posts fell on him. An investigation is

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ongoing. A mother from Newport is calling

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for the Ministry of Defence to change the way it deals with

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children whose parents are not together. Paula Black only

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discovered that her former partner, her daughter's father, died while

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serving with the armed forces when she read tributes on a website.

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Nicola Smith reports. These photos were taken the first

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time Lance Corporal Richard Gotts met his daughter, Tegan. She was

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four months old and he had been serving in Iraq. Just over one year

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later, in 2007, he had a heart attack. By then, the couple had

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split up and it meant that Paul Esser discovered he died on the

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internet. I was distraught. I was angry that

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I was not notified in person. Richard has two ex-wives and they

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were both motivate -- notified by an MoD official. I was sat at my

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computer desk with my child by him as well. We were not notified and

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we read about it on a forum. It all comes down to paperwork.

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Lance Corporal Richard Gotts had not named Tegan as next of kin. He

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paid child support for his army salary but the rules mean that

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legally that is not enough. In a statement, the MoD told us that it

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statement, the MoD told us that it goes to considerable lengths to

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ensure that the next of kin and any additional person previously

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nominated by the deceased are But that didn't happen in Paula's

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case. She set up a support group to ensure that servicemen and women

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and their families think about who they want contacted if they die.

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She is urging the MoD to look again at their policy.

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I want them to be more lenient when it comes to families like ourselves.

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Single parents. Those children to should be treated the same. I am

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hoping fierce campaign I am going to start will do that. If I have to

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go to Parliament, I will direct. Four years on and a teddy that

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Tegan gave to her father and medals are the only memory she has of him.

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Her mother hopes that her campaign means that other unmarried parents

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went learn of their personal Douglas Young is in our infamous

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Studio. A desert this process need looking at again?

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We are completely independent of the Ministry of Defence but I have

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year to what that Lady a said with a very great sympathy. I offer my

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condolences on her family's loss. It is a very distressing situation.

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As was said earlier, the Ministry of Defence does go to very great

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lengths to get this rare -- to get this right and to inform the next

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of kin and any additional person who is nominated by the serviceman

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or service woman. In this case, it seems that no additional nomination

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had been made. I am not quite sure what the Ministry of Defence could

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or should do in the situation that has been described. People in the

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armed forces should meet their responsibilities, just like anybody

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else. Equally, they are entitled to their private lives. There is a

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limit to how much the Ministry of Defence can interfere with the bat.

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I know it is suggested that they are quite old fashioned in their

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approach but they do recognise civil partners and unmarried

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partners in a particular situations. They do try to keep their but this

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is a very important system which I think we tinker with at our peril.

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Having said that, I think that Lady has drawn attention to a very

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important issue. People in the armed forces should be aware of it.

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In our organisation, we frequently remind our members about the

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importance of making a proper Wales and thinking about what happens in

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the event of their death. We are happy to mention it to people the

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situation she has described. If she would like to get in touch with me

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through our website, if she would like, we can mention her campaign

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in the website. It is an issue people need to think about. I am

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not quite sure what the Ministry of Defence really can do about this

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more than what they are doing at This is BBC Wales Today. Still to

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come before 7:00pm: Gatland brings back Henson and Hook

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as he looks to avenge last week's defeat to England.

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And meeting their Premier League heroes. Swansea fans and players

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The Welsh Government is investigating after official

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documents were found in a hedge in Pembrokeshire. The papers were

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found in a flowerbed in Eglwyswrw and contained details of payments

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adding up to hundreds of thousands of pounds.

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This lady was walking back from church when she spotted the

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official-looking envelope in this flowerbed outside her home. She

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became even more curious when she saw it was marked government mail.

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I could see that it was government papers. There were bank details in

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it. I thought it was not right they should be lying around anywhere.

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How much of a concern was it to you that restricted government

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documents can end up in a hedge? was concerned, but I shiver of

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these things happening all the time. But I could not understand was how

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which got there. I could see people's names and addresses in it

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and I did not think it should be she. I thought people should be

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made aware of it. Inside the envelope were documents marked

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restricted. There is now a cause for the way sensitive documents are

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transported to be assessed. It is important that the Welsh government

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to reduce its processes in terms of how which delivers confidential

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documents from one office to another. The nearest town is

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Fishguard. To give you an idea of how far off this on for low pass

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from its final destination, it was sent from 90 miles away. It was

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meant to end up at a place around 130 miles from here. How it ended

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up here is a mystery. The Welsh Government say government may it is

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used to deliver post internally between various Welsh and UK

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offices. They did they take the security of information very

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seriously and inquiries are continuing.

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A Wales team to face England now. Gavin Henson is one of four new

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faces in the side to face England this Saturday. James Hook fills the

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number 15 jersey. There are two changes but no room in the squad

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for Adam Jones, Lee Byrne and Leigh Halfpenny.

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Usually after a defeat to England, Wales will have to wait at least 12

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months to get a chance to get their own back. Not so this year. A week

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after the Twickenham heartbreak, Martin Johnson's men will enter the

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stadium to face a side intent on revenge. It does not get bigger for

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a Welsh rugby player. It is the ultimate. Hopefully it will be a

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full house. We will have a full Welsh side behind us. But it is a

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special occasion. I do not think anything comes near to comparing

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with this. The Warren Gatland has made four changes from last week,

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saying it is important to maintain continuity. The most talked-about

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will be the inclusion of this man. Although his latest reality TV

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venture is due to start next week, Gavin Henson will be in the

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starting line-out for the first time in two years. He is one of two

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changes in the backs. The half- backs remain the same. Rhys

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Priestland has been given another opportunity at fly-half. In the

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pack, Lloyd Burns starts as hooker ahead of Hugh Bennett. Luke

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Charteris gets his chance in the second row alongside Alun Wyn Jones.

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In the past, warm-up matches have been seen as an opportunity to

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tinker with home performances. But Warren Gatland insists that nothing

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less than a win will do. We need to be a serious contenders in this

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World Cup. We need to send up -- send out a message that we can beat

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England at home. We need to build some confidence and send a message

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to other nations that we are capable of doing well in this World

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Cup. England have made 13 changes to their side. They can still boast

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a number of World Cup winners and their ranks. There is a third warm-

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up against Argentina next week but for many of these players, this

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could be their last chance to press their claims for a World Cup place.

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It looks as if Swansea City's first match in the Premier League will go

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ahead as planned on Monday. They had been fears that the game could

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be postponed after rioting in the City this week. Premier League

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bosses have given the game the green light for the Swans can focus

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on making their debut. Three days before a ball is kicked

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and already the party has started. Swansea City players joined

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supporters at this afternoon at an event to help celebrate the club's

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achievement of reaching the Premier League. They really deserve being

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in the Premier League. We are enjoying the party. But it is nice

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to have a Welsh team in the Premiership. It is all good.

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Swansea's players trained this morning, getting themselves ready

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for Monday's match. For many, it will be their first taste of the

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Premier League. The manager has spent some of his promotion

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windfall on players with previous experience. It has been my dream to

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get a chance in the Premier League. It has come with Swansea, who want

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a great side. I am excited for me and also for the team. If you want

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an example of how life for Swansea City has changed, just look at this

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room. Up until May, their weekly press conference was populated by

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just a handful of journalists. Now the room is full with journalists

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from outside of Wales. It is my first time in Swansea. It is a

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lovely place to come. The club have got great supporters. I would much

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rather have that kind of team than one of that the familiar faces in

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the Premier League. You probably know for I am talking about. They

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do not have the fan base of the tradition and maybe not even the to

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to -- the location you have got here. There has been a question

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mark over whether the match would go ahead in the wake of the riots.

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Tottenham's game on Saturday has been postponed on police advice but

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tonight, the Premier League said the other games, including

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Swansea's match would go ahead. Swansea's first taste of the big

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time will be on Monday. Their opponents, the richest club on the

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planet. We will be live from Manchester City's ground to bring

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you all the build-up. Can they caused a huge upset on near -- on

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their first outing in the Premier League?

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The Wales manager Gary Speed was disappointed with his side's defeat

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to Australia last night. The Socceroos run out winners. Darcy

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Blake grabbed a late consolation goal. We need to do a lot of work.

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A performance tonight shows that. We did not think we had so much to

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do. By need to give everyone a kick up the backside. We need to knuckle

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down and improve. It shows that you have got to stay in the game. If

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you play poorly, stay in the game. We finished strong. If you are two-

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kneel down, it is difficult to get back.

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Wrexham manager Dean Saunders say the players and staff have been

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overwhelmed by the money the fans have donated. The Dragons face

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Cambridge on Saturday. We cannot let the supporters down. We have

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got to go right. Although one defeats for us to go out and play

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with enthusiasm and the same desire they have got. That is all I ask

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for from my players. Play with desire and enthusiasm and work your

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socks off. Swansea's players trained in the

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rain stay. Not great weather. Any We are in for a damp night. It is

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not a great evening. The show was will start to fizzle out and

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overnight will become tried for many of us. Temperatures are on the

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murky side. Reaching highs of 16 Celsius. The wings are a largely

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light. The pressure chart for tomorrow shows an area of low

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pressure in the Atlantic. Yet again tomorrow, we are in for a miserable

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start. A lot of cloud and fog. Some showers first thing. By the

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afternoon, merging into longer spells of rain. Not a good

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afternoon. Still feeling warm and humid but rather miserable. In the

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evening, we will see some brighter spells developing but in the

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overnight period, we would see another front pushing in from the

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West which will bring persistent rain. It is light in nature and we

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are in for another midnight tomorrow night. Temperatures at the

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lowest, 14 Celsius. Saturday morning will start off on the

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miserable side but as we go into the afternoon, it will start to

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improve. We will see some brighter conditions. The odd shower, but the

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best of the bright nurse across part of Pembrokeshire. Quite breezy

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conditions along the coast. Sunday is the best day of the weekend. The

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more chance of sunshine. It is The main headlines from the BBC:

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MPs are sitting in an emergency session after the worst riots on

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England's Straits for decades. The Prime Minister pledged to do

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whatever it takes to restore law and order.

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The criminals who have taken what they can get, I say this to them,

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we will track you down, we will find you, we will punish you. You

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will pay for what you have done. A report has found that

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Pembrokeshire County Council failed to properly safeguard children in

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its schools. The inquiry was triggered after a primary school

:27:22.:27:26.

head was convicted of abuse. Pembrokeshire County Council says

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it is working tirelessly to ensure children are safe.

:27:29.:27:32.

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